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Speaker 1: Hi guys, Welcome to another episode of Legally Brunette. I'll

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Speaker 1: be your host, Emily Simpson and Shane. First of all,

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Speaker 1: it's just Shane because everyone when people DM me now

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Speaker 1: about you and the podcast, they call you just Shane.

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Speaker 2: First name, just yest name, Shane.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So we are excited to do this podcast today

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Speaker 1: because we are not in our normal setting in a

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Speaker 1: Where we have to hit pause because someone needs a snack.

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Speaker 1: We are actually in beautiful Lake Tahoe at this home

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Speaker 1: of Verbo Home and it is magnificent. It is so beautiful.

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Speaker 1: The view is unreal. So we're super excited to do

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Speaker 1: this podcast today because look at this view behind us.

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Speaker 2: That's awesome. Yeah, very outdoorsy.

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Speaker 1: All right. First of all, I'm so excited about doing

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Speaker 1: this podcast today because we are going to talk about it.

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Speaker 1: It came out on Netflix. It's called Amy Bradley is Missing.

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Speaker 1: And I will be honest, even though this took place

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Speaker 1: in the nineties and I feel like I'm like an

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Speaker 1: expert in all things nineties, I had actually never heard

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Speaker 1: of Amy Bradley before and this incident on a cruise ship.

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Speaker 1: So when I started watching it on Netflix. I wasn't

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Speaker 1: even really all that invested in it. It's three parts,

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Speaker 1: and by the time I watched the entire thing, I

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Speaker 1: was just completely invested. I have not stopped researching. I

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Speaker 1: feel badly for my producer on this podcast because I

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Speaker 1: have inundated her with every possible article.

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Speaker 2: Reddit thread takes turf for me for talking about it

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Speaker 2: all week.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't feel sorry for you at all. That's

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Speaker 1: what you signed up for. But I don't know if

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Speaker 1: Mattie knows that's what she signed up for. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's start off. Let's just give a brief synopsis of

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Speaker 1: the case. This is actually from the FBI's website because

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Speaker 1: it is still even though it's been twenty seven years,

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Speaker 1: it is an active case. So twenty three year old

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Speaker 1: Amy Lynn Bradley, while on a family cruise in the Caribbean,

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Speaker 1: went missing from the Royal Caribbean International Cruise Line. The

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Speaker 1: ship was called Rhapsody of the Seas. Also, this was

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Speaker 1: something else I looked up. I wanted to know if

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Speaker 1: that ship was still work like a working ship today

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Speaker 1: it's operating. It is still an operating ship, however, and

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys know this because I

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Speaker 2: Let me guess what you want to use. You want

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Speaker 2: to go on the ship and go in her room?

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Speaker 1: Well that yes, I do, okay, But I wanted to

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Speaker 1: if they kept it Rhapsody. I'd likely they branded it, yeah,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the ship that Amy Bradley was right disappeared on.

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Speaker 1: So I didn't know if they changed the name. So

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Speaker 1: if anybody knows that, I was not able to find

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Speaker 1: confirmation of that. So on Saturday, March twenty first of

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety eight, the vessel departed San Juan, Puerto Rico

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Speaker 1: twenty third, nineteen ninety eight, Rhapsody of the Seas departed

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Speaker 1: Aruba and was traveling in international waters to its next

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Speaker 1: island port of Currosal. First of all, do you want

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Speaker 1: to tell me what international waters are? Sir?

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Speaker 2: What do you think maritime law is or how it applies?

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Speaker 2: At first? You a big lawyer, you tell me I'm a.

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Speaker 1: Big lawyer, Okay, First of all, when we were watching this,

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people when you take a

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Speaker 1: on a floating island that hasn't no security, security, no

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Speaker 1: police force. Well there's security, but no police force.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, but the security is hired by who the

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Speaker 1: And I'm just going to flow out in the middle

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Speaker 1: But it's really a risk when you step onto a

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Speaker 2: Well risk going on a plane. There's a risk you

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Speaker 1: So we know that is that breaking news?

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Speaker 2: You heard it. I didn't tell you that you flew today,

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Speaker 2: So I did tell you that cut off the engines

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Speaker 1: Wow. I did do a little research because I wanted

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Speaker 1: when you're on a cruise ship. So basically, every cruise

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Speaker 2: Like with the Bahamas, Yeah, Bahamas.

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Speaker 1: Right, and then maybe they had like another one registered

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Speaker 2: And I would imagine that they choose those places. It

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Speaker 1: Right. Then, when you are in a port, the laws

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Speaker 2: Yeah, regardless of what port you're in. So if you're

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Speaker 2: if it's registered in Bahamas, but you're in Italy for

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Speaker 1: So then, but when you're out in the open sea,

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Speaker 2: All right, So within twelve miles law applies. So if

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Speaker 2: you break the law within twelve miles, whatever that law is,

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Speaker 2: So from twelve to twenty four miles there's the laws.

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Speaker 2: I think the laws of the land don't really apply

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Speaker 2: And then when you go out further then the although

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Speaker 1: Well, it sounds like it. Once you get past twenty

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Speaker 2: Much because then so if crime occurs with beyond the

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Speaker 2: was Amy Bradley a US citizen? Yes, so the US

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Speaker 2: So it's a little complicated and there's a lot of layers,

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Speaker 2: the Bohemian you know, jurisdiction doesn't want the US, so

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Speaker 2: they kind of maybe put protections in there to try

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Speaker 1: So basically it's complicated. It's complicated jurisdiction when you're on

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Speaker 2: Yes, all right, so during the early month in favor

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Speaker 1: It's always in favor of the cruise line. Yes, that's

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Speaker 1: another thing. You got to look at the back of

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Speaker 1: the ticket, you got to read the fine print.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's not going to do you any.

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Speaker 1: Good that you can decide whether you want to get

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Speaker 1: Probably not so during the early morning hours. This is Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: March twenty fourth, nineteen ninety eight. Amy Lenn Bradley went

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Speaker 1: missing as the ship was arriving right into port in Cursau.

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Speaker 1: The FBI is offering a reward of up to twenty

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Speaker 1: five thousand for information leading to her recovery. All right,

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Speaker 1: that is just a brief synopsis that's on the FBI's website.

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Speaker 1: It's clearly an open case. But I wanted to do

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Speaker 2: That took place where you something.

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Speaker 1: So he died. There's a murder or something, but you

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Speaker 1: Yes, breaking news, We're going to solve the Amy Bradley

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Speaker 2: She'll be a guest later on this. No. Really, My

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Speaker 1: Okay, So the Bradley family, and it's important to know

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Speaker 1: And you've been on a cruise.

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Speaker 1: think it's very important when we get into the details

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Speaker 1: of what happened. Yes, but I want you've been on

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Speaker 1: all in a room. And that room is tiny. Right,

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Speaker 2: Multiple people can enter with one key card, so he

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Speaker 2: And do we know that we know the key cards

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Speaker 2: Like, that's like if we were we would have heard nothing.

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Speaker 1: No, not right, they would ask me. I'd be like

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Speaker 1: Amy Bradley, who I don't know. Yeah, no disco parties

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Speaker 1: Then he and Amy have like some pullout, rollout kind

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Speaker 1: So now we've got Amy on the balcony, We've got

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, this is the father.

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Speaker 1: This is the father because this whole family, all four

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not saying he's guilty by any stretch,

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Speaker 2: but this is little odd to see your kid asleep

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Speaker 1: Well, she's twenty three. Though.

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Speaker 2: I know, I'm not saying he's guilty, but I'm just saying, like,

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Speaker 2: ye in international waters for family after without reading the

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Speaker 1: Beers in your systems. Yeah, not good. So he wakes up.

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Speaker 1: This is around five fifteen, five thirty am. He looks out,

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Speaker 2: Did they Where did they see her from?

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Speaker 1: They were sitting up on an open deck.

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Speaker 2: She's gone, Okay, which would make sense based on the

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Speaker 1: Okay, So the dad he wakes up, he looks out

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Speaker 1: Her cigarettes and lighter were missing, but her shoes and

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Speaker 1: This is the daddy wakes up yet, so the father

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Speaker 1: She's not there. So all on this table on the

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Speaker 1: So he goes up and he goes to look for her.

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Speaker 1: He looks on the ship. I'm sure he goes to

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Speaker 2: So they go and.

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Speaker 1: Say, look, our daughter's missing. We can't find her anywhere.

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Speaker 1: Can he please not let anyone disembark off the ship.

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Speaker 1: I cannot, for the life of me, understand how that

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Speaker 2: Why did anyone wake up?

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Speaker 1: How did.

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Speaker 2: The disco techa disco teca it's called a few drinks

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Speaker 1: But that door is so loud it makes like a

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Speaker 2: You're saying she jumped.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm saying. I'm just saying there,

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Speaker 2: Next cruise, Yes, I'm gonna sneak out at five in

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Speaker 1: I will as soon as I hear that door, I'm

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Speaker 2: Why is your walley here? Why are.

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Speaker 1: Also we have to talk about this because the shoes

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Speaker 1: She didn't take her shoes right, and she didn't take

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Speaker 1: So if she did leave.

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Speaker 2: Did that means she didn't take her key card either?

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Speaker 1: That's my question. Did she not take the key card

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Speaker 2: I want to know that.

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Speaker 1: Oh, not that I've seen anywhere. I want to know

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Speaker 1: possibility that possibly she went over the edge somehow. But

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Speaker 1: if she took the key card and the key card

442
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Speaker 1: is not in her wallet or on her person, I

443
00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,960
Speaker 1: don't know anyway. That was just something to think about.

444
00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,800
Speaker 1: So at seven fifty am, the first public ship wide

445
00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:27,640
Speaker 1: announcement was made. First of all, we have to say,

446
00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,880
Speaker 1: first of all, I do remember from the documentary that

447
00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:32,640
Speaker 1: Royal Caribbean refused to.

448
00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:36,320
Speaker 2: Okay, breaking news, breaking news. I just searched the answer.

449
00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:36,640
Speaker 1: What.

450
00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,919
Speaker 2: Yes, Amy Lynn Bradley's key card was reportedly left behind

451
00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:46,520
Speaker 2: in her cabin when she disappeared. See now now you

452
00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:47,280
Speaker 2: have more questions.

453
00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:51,680
Speaker 1: Now I have more questions. Yeah, yeah, because.

454
00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:54,320
Speaker 2: If she went soaes she when the family woke up

455
00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,159
Speaker 2: at six am, Amy was no longer in the cabin.

456
00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,040
Speaker 2: Her key card, her shoes, her cigarettes, her lighters were

457
00:20:59,040 --> 00:20:59,879
Speaker 2: all left behind.

458
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,280
Speaker 1: Okay, See now that lends to if you're going to

459
00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,720
Speaker 1: draw a column and you're gonna say went overboard or

460
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:11,920
Speaker 1: was abducted, that goes into the went overboard category.

461
00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:13,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, because if.

462
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 1: She left through the door, she didn't have shoes and

463
00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,160
Speaker 1: shouldn't have a wall, and she didn't have a key card.

464
00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,879
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, like what do you do with Yeah, like

465
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,000
Speaker 2: what what person in a normal sense, what person leaves

466
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,960
Speaker 2: their cabin on a cruise line without any of their things? Right,

467
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:30,280
Speaker 2: even if you're going to the pool, you would take

468
00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,359
Speaker 2: a key card or something. It was six in the morning.

469
00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:37,000
Speaker 1: But all right, so I do know. The family immediately

470
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Speaker 1: goes to Royal Caribbean and they ask them to not

471
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Speaker 1: let anyone disembark and to also make an announcement. They

472
00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 1: would not make an announcement because they said they didn't

473
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Speaker 1: want to because this is like several hours seven am.

474
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Speaker 1: They don't want to make an announcement at seven am

475
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Speaker 1: because they don't want to startle passengers.

476
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,920
Speaker 2: They don't want to wait passengers. Yeah, Heaven forbid. The

477
00:21:56,359 --> 00:22:01,879
Speaker 2: people need their sleep. Yeah, it's ridiculous. I mean the

478
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,199
Speaker 2: captain doesn't want want people to sleep in. I mean,

479
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 2: what's up with that?

480
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,440
Speaker 1: Okay? Also, I feel like this is a good point

481
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Speaker 1: to I watched the documentary shand It and obviously, however,

482
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Speaker 1: they interview the cruise director from the Rhapsody of the

483
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Speaker 1: Season nineteen ninety eight. I forget his name. What was

484
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:20,680
Speaker 1: his name, Kirk or something?

485
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:25,159
Speaker 2: Kirk Kirk, Jerk Kirk, the cruise coordinator.

486
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:31,200
Speaker 1: He I he should have been banned from doing any

487
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 1: interviews on behalf of the man had no warmth, no sympathy.

488
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Speaker 1: I mean it was almost it was I have never

489
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 1: in my life. He needed some media training.

490
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 2: He needed some was this interview back then?

491
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Speaker 1: No, this is a current day interview. Prepare he said

492
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Speaker 1: twenty seven years to get some sympathy or to do

493
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Speaker 1: some media training. They interview him for this documentary. I

494
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Speaker 1: have never I am not a person. Look, I'm a

495
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Speaker 1: public figure. I can't stand it when people come on

496
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Speaker 1: my page and say things. But I tell you, I've

497
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 1: never been so compelled on Instagram.

498
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,920
Speaker 2: If there's a time to do it, this cruise director, you.

499
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 3: Guys have all this hate in your heart, please stop

500
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:14,159
Speaker 3: directing it at me.

501
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 1: Please find the cruise director from nineteen ninety eight on

502
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Speaker 1: the Rhapsody of the Seas and please go direct with it.

503
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 1: He is the true villain. Every statement he makes is like, well,

504
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,640
Speaker 1: we got a cruise to run. You know, they paid

505
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 1: a lot of money and.

506
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:30,439
Speaker 2: It's all business.

507
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 1: It's all business. He has no sympathy for this family.

508
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 1: He's like, well, she just went overboard. Life goes on.

509
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:39,440
Speaker 2: That's your first suspect, right, the guy that can care

510
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:40,199
Speaker 2: less where she is.

511
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Speaker 1: I mean, this guy has I mean I just wanted

512
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 1: to him through the television. I was like, just just

513
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 1: say what says one thing? Kind nothing?

514
00:23:51,320 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 2: Okay.

515
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 1: So seven fifty am the first public ship wide announcement

516
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 1: was made. And this was not alerting nine am, No,

517
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: seven fifty am. Two hours so seven to fifty am.

518
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: But all they would do was ask Amy Bradley to

519
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 1: come to the purser's office.

520
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 2: They would not alert Yeah, Amy Bradley, please take off

521
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 2: your handcuffs and untie yourselves and come to the front office, right.

522
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 1: Please stop being abducted. Yeah, So at seven fifty am

523
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,440
Speaker 1: they do make an announcement, but they basically are just

524
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 1: saying please come to the purfoser's office. So they're not.

525
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 1: So here's the problem. And this is where I know

526
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 1: the family had the biggest issue. And I think this

527
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 1: is where this is the timeframe where maybe there could

528
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 1: have been a different circumstance in what happened. Because you

529
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: have a very limited time because the cruise ship is

530
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 1: pulling into curR Asum, people are disembarking. If at that

531
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 1: time period they would have made an announcement at seven

532
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 1: am before everyone got off, that said Amy Bradley has

533
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 1: not been seen. She is missing. If any no one

534
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: sees her, please be on the lookout for her. We're

535
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,160
Speaker 1: putting up photos of well, for example.

536
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 2: Those people that saw her and yellow in the elevator,

537
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 2: they might have came forward quicker exactly, might have remembered.

538
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, but at that time when everyone is disembarking this ship,

539
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 1: when they pull into curas Out, they don't know she's missing,

540
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 1: and they they don't know what's going on.

541
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 2: They don't know for so and so to come to

542
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 2: the front office. I would never not once think for anything, no.

543
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 1: Absolutely so, no one has any idea what's going on.

544
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 1: So basically during that time period, if Royal Caribbean would

545
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 1: have had a different policy possibly and alerted the crew

546
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 1: as well as the passengers that there is a girl missing.

547
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 1: And then here's it's nineteen ninety eight. So they don't

548
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,919
Speaker 1: have like, they don't have the digital like we do

549
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 1: now where they can show things on the TV.

550
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, So I don't know how.

551
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,719
Speaker 1: They could disseminate like what she looks like, but they

552
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 1: could have I don't know, hung pictures of her up

553
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 1: or something, or I don't know, just be on the

554
00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 1: lookout for this girl. I don't know how they would

555
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: get her image out there, but at least passengers would

556
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 1: be aware of what's going on, and maybe more witnesses

557
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: would have been able to help or stop it or

558
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: come forward and they would have had more information at

559
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: that time. All right, So then at nine.

560
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 2: As okay, so hold on, so we're at seven to

561
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 2: fifty am.

562
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, they make an announcement.

563
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 2: And that's it. Their cruise as it is it docked. Yes,

564
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 2: has anyone left yet?

565
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 1: When it gets the time, they're just embarking. Now they're going,

566
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:30,679
Speaker 1: people are leaving.

567
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 2: This they are oh wow, well geez, well I would

568
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 2: be standing on that port and watching everyone come out.

569
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 2: I guess if it was my daughter missing.

570
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 1: Well I think that's I mean, I mean.

571
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 2: That's something to do. I mean, I don't know. I well,

572
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 2: maybe i'd be irrational and they're hysterical. Yeah, that's what

573
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 2: I'm saying. I get that. So maybe so right now,

574
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 2: sitting here in this chair, you're telling me that's what

575
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 2: I think should be done. At the least, I mean,

576
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 2: what am I gonna do? Walk up and down the hallways.

577
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 2: I'm going to go and you know at the bottleneck where.

578
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: You also have to think that you're up on a cirt. No,

579
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: but you're up on a deck talking to officials saying,

580
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: please make an announcement while people are just off this ship.

581
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 2: At this I mean, it's like huge, that's where the

582
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 2: cruise line screwed up. And I know we shouldn't be

583
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 2: laughing at this, but we're laughing at the people that

584
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 2: just really took this way too lightly. Where you know,

585
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 2: it's it's disapproval of their of their uh lack of

586
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 2: care for a missing individual.

587
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: So then at nine am, the crew conducted what's called

588
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: a full on board search, and no sign of Amy

589
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: was found. This search the way I understood it was.

590
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: It's like a nook and cranny search, Like the entire

591
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: crew is involved, and they go into every room, they open,

592
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: every door, they open all.

593
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 2: Now that everyone's gone, well she she hasn't.

594
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: Been seen since six am and now.

595
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 2: It's everyone got off the ship.

596
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: So there's a three hour timeframe where she could have disembarked.

597
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 1: She could have been taken off this ship. Absolutely, I

598
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: don't know. But there's a three hour window where we

599
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: don't know what happened.

600
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:58,640
Speaker 2: And you know, so that's a long time.

601
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. So March twenty fourth through the twenty seventh, the

602
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 1: FBI and the Netherlands Antillis on Antilli's ghost guard carried

603
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: out a four day marine and aerial search. In the documentary,

604
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: the Courroussel officials because they become involved because that's where

605
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: that's the port we're at. Now we're in carousel. The

606
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: CURSL officials said that they expected Amy's body to turn

607
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: up in the seat if she had jumped or fallen,

608
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 1: but a body never shows up, and.

609
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 2: They based on currents and stuff like, it was reasonable

610
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 2: for them to think not. They were just hoping that

611
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 2: they believed that that would be the case.

612
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, So they interviewed some an official from crosw that

613
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: was involved in the search.

614
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, wors Curso it's.

615
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: A little island. Is it by a Ruba. It's like

616
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: a Ruba and Curroussew and a Aruba. And it's in

617
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: the Caribbean. Oh, Barbados is over there somewhere too, Barbados.

618
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: I actually, honestly, I have to say, because I'm not

619
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: good at geography. I admitted that on the when we

620
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: did the podcast on the idahomer and I didn't even

621
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: know Idaho, like Idaho was up there by Canada. No idea.

622
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 2: Well, that's why we do legally, not topography exactly.

623
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: I don't no, but I had never I have to

624
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: admit I'd never heard of the island of Curi.

625
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 2: Curis probably Portuguese cross.

626
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: Until this documentary anyway. So the currousel official says that

627
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: they did an intense search of the water and that

628
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: if she would have fallen overboard, that they would have

629
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: seen a body or a piece of clothing or something.

630
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: Something would have washed out based upon the wrap, how

631
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: the water, the current, the tide, all of that. So

632
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: he was convincing that there wasn't that.

633
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 2: Was more likely that she did not that she did

634
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 2: not know. Wa okay, all right, Now.

635
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: After she disappears, there's been sightings of her. Now, I

636
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: have to say, I think most people this also reminds

637
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 1: me of Karen Reid too, because most people when you

638
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: don't know, when you don't take a deep dive into

639
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: this case, the first thing that you think or say

640
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: when you take a cursory review of it is, oh,

641
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: she don't she went overboard.

642
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 2: Absolutely, she fell, she.

643
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: Went overboard. She right. That reminds me of Karen Reid,

644
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: because when you look, when you don't take a deep

645
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: dive into Karen Reid, your first thought is, of course

646
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: she was drunk.

647
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 2: Oh I know. And those people are so oblivious and

648
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 2: so ignorant. That was you to just think that you

649
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 2: should be open to the facts.

650
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: Well that was you in the beginning. But anyway, my

651
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: point was, if you don't take a deep dive into it,

652
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: the logical conclusion when you just look at a very

653
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: limited amount of facts is that, yeah, she was drong,

654
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: she hit them. I think this is the same with

655
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: Amy Bradley. If you don't take a really deep dive

656
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: into the case, it's like, okay, well, the logical conclusion

657
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: is she's on the balcony, she fell off or she jumped.

658
00:30:54,640 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: So there have been multiple sightings and leads since she disappeared.

659
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: So in March twenty fourth, nineteen ninety eight, this is

660
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: in Currosal. The morning of Amy's disappearance, there was a

661
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: taxi driver located near the cruise door.

662
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 2: The morning that within twenty four hours, the.

663
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: Morning that she disappears, he claims that a distressed young

664
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: woman matching Amy's description approached him frantically and asked where

665
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: the nearest phone was. Before she could continue, she was

666
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: intercepted by two men who led her away. He reported

667
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: this information later and did not act in real time.

668
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: Now I don't know exactly how much later he reported this,

669
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: but he did come forward and say that he saw

670
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: a woman asking for a phone. She looked distressed. Two

671
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: men came up and grabbed her and pulled her away.

672
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: He claims that it was her. Now, when I first

673
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: heard this first sighting and it was the taxi driver,

674
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: I didn't put a lot of weight into it when

675
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: I saw it because I thought maybe he saw the posters,

676
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: because they had posters up, you know. Offering twenty five

677
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: one thousand dollars reward or whatever, and I thought maybe

678
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: he was just like, Oh I saw her trying to

679
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: get a reward, so.

680
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 2: It was almost any planted in his head, yeah or not.

681
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: I didn't put a lot of weight into that sighting.

682
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 2: Let me guess until you went to Vegas went and

683
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 2: they were almost almost I.

684
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: Was almost abducted in Vegas.

685
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 2: See if you went missing that day? Yes, and thank

686
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 2: goodness you didn't.

687
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: Oh well, I'm glad you added that copasts.

688
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 2: Had you gone missing that day, yeah, that taxi driver

689
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 2: had have done the same thing, he said. Yeah, some

690
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 2: lady came up on a ride, then two men came

691
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 2: and took her away.

692
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: Well, also the differences if I would have gotten into

693
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: that car. There's cameras all over, and that's another problem

694
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: with a cruise ship in nineteen ninety eight is there's

695
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: not security cameras everywhere. There were only security cameras in

696
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: the big open areas like the like the pool and

697
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: things like that. They didn't have security cameras everywhere.

698
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 2: And this is monitoring that all the people in bathing suits. Yes, exactly,

699
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 2: the cameras. Where should we have three cameras? Where should

700
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 2: we play it? But yeah, exactly all right.

701
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: Then in August of nineteen ninety eight, this is on

702
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: Cursole Beach. You say, Cursso, how do you say it?

703
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 2: Curso?

704
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: Can you saying? Two Canadian tourists were scuba diving at

705
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: Plaia Porto Marie. They saw a woman with Amy's tattoos.

706
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: Now she has a Tasmanian devil and barbed wire tattoo.

707
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 3: Is right, nineteen ninety eight, like a barbed wire tattoo

708
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 3: and a Tasmanian devil tattoo. She looked distressed and seemed

709
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 3: unable to speak freely. They only learned later about Amy

710
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 3: being missing and reported it months after making this sighting.

711
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 3: Here was the issue too, was that they interviewed the

712
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 3: man that saw her. He was very credible.

713
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: I believed him. He was scuba diving, he has I

714
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: think he has background in like cybersecurity or something. He

715
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: was with a friend on the beach and he said

716
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: a woman walked by him on the beach, looked right

717
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: at him, looked like she wanted to say something to him,

718
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: and then two men came up and grabbed her and

719
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: kind of pulled her away.

720
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sorry, when was this that? He claims to

721
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 2: have seen her.

722
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: This is in August of nineteen ninety eight, so this

723
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: is what three four months after she disappeared.

724
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 2: These two men can't keep ahold of her apparently, no.

725
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: I know, she keeps wandering off. They keep having the ground.

726
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 2: Why are people just like, uh, somebody asked for direction

727
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 2: and then two men came and took her away and

728
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 2: that's the end of it.

729
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. He also claims that one of the

730
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: men that was with her looks like Alistair Douglas, the

731
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: guy named Yellow who was on the ship and was

732
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: part of the crew. So this is this is one

733
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: of the more credible leads. And I found this guy

734
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: when they interviewed him, I found him to be very,

735
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: very credible. He didn't come forward until I believe later,

736
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: was it a magazine or something He saw a photo

737
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: of her like Amy Bradley's missing, and then he was

738
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: like that's he put it together and he was like,

739
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: that's the girl I saw on the beach and then he,

740
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 1: you know, reached out to authorities. So that's a very

741
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: credible sighting of her on a beach in Currosal. Yeah,

742
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,240
Speaker 1: in January of nineteen ninety nine, This is a brothel

743
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: in Currosow. A US Navy petty officer, William Hefner. He

744
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: claims that he saw a woman in a brothel and

745
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: she introduced herself as Amy Bradley and begged him for help,

746
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: saying she was being held against her will. The woman

747
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: was quickly pulled away by her two handlers. He waited

748
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: until figures he waited until two thousand and two to

749
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: report the incident due to fear of career consequences. This

750
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: is because he was he's in the Navy. He was

751
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: active duty in the Navy. They docked in Currosoal and

752
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: he's at a brothel where he's clearly not supposed to

753
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: be at a brothel. So he claims that he saw

754
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: Amy Bradley. She said, I'm Amy Bradley. I need help.

755
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 2: Not to be funny, but is brothel legal there?

756
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know, but.

757
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 2: I just wondering if it's like organized or if it's

758
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 2: like totally like under wraps and it's then it's more shady.

759
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,399
Speaker 1: Well, I would say in the Caribbean, like, I don't

760
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 1: know if anybody's really I think he just didn't want

761
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: to be in trouble with the military. Because he's a

762
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 1: navy he's in the navy, and he's not supposed to

763
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:10,720
Speaker 1: be at a brothel drinking, all right, So he didn't

764
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: report the incident until two thousand and two, which is

765
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: like three years later. But that was another scenario where

766
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 1: I bet he waited until he was discharged or he

767
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: was whatever, he was out, and then he came forward

768
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: and said that he saw her. Oh, but the brothel

769
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: has since burned down. I was waiting, you see how

770
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 1: I pause and pause. Then in two thousand and five,

771
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: this was okay. So there was a website that has

772
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: sex workers on the website and someone under an anonymous

773
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: email emailed the family and showed a picture of Amy

774
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: Bradley on the website.

775
00:36:58,200 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 2: And if you look at the picture, do you compare

776
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:00,919
Speaker 2: the picture I did?

777
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if you have, but I mean, we'll.

778
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 2: Pull social I've never seen anything.

779
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: So this is what she looks like when she disappeared.

780
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 1: And this is the picture of her on the website.

781
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 2: Now, if those pictures are correct, pictures like they're real,

782
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 2: that's her.

783
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 1: And the other interesting thing about the picture of her

784
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: on the sex website is she does have distinguishing tattoos.

785
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: We talked about it. She has the she has the

786
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: barb wire tattoo, she has a Tasmanian devil tattoos. She

787
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: also has a butterfly tattoo, and I think another one.

788
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 1: I think there's a fourth tattoo.

789
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 2: When was this second picture taken?

790
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: This one? This is too well, the picture came to

791
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: the family in two thousand and five.

792
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 2: Five, so seven years later.

793
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 1: So this is the first picture is on the cruise ship.

794
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: That's nineteen ninety eight. The second picture on her of

795
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: her on this website is two thousand and five. Well,

796
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: I don't know when it was taken, but it was sent.

797
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 2: Well, she had significantly longer hair. I was just wondering

798
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 2: how far apart they were.

799
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: But the thing about the picture on the sex website

800
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 1: is that none of her tattoos are shown, even though

801
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: she has four. And she also has very distinguishing birthmarks,

802
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: and she's positioned in a way where you can't see

803
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 1: any of those.

804
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 2: You know, I wonder if did you did they ever

805
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 2: show the actual website or a snapshot of the website,

806
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 2: or just that individual photo.

807
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 1: They showed, and then in the documentary they only show

808
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 1: her photo. They they don't show the website. But the

809
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 1: FBI did get involved in that sighting. They sent someone

810
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: down to investigate, and they also did whatever the FBI

811
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: does on the analytics on the photo to make sure

812
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: it wasn't photoshops.

813
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 2: And they did that don't grow. Despite your growth. Basically

814
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 2: between the nose and the eyes and cheekbones and stuff,

815
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 2: they don't change.

816
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: They couldn't one percent confirm her identity, but they said

817
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 1: that it could definitely be her. I don't know when

818
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,240
Speaker 1: I looked like it looks like the same person.

819
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 2: I mean it is the same person.

820
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: And knows the way the mouth has shaped, the eyes,

821
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: the eyebrows, everything looks identical.

822
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 2: In other words, her face is the same. Yes, her

823
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 2: base photos.

824
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: Is the same. Yes. Then there was another sighting in

825
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight. This is in Barbados. This was

826
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: a witness. Her name was Judy Mower. She was an

827
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: American tourist. She's also in the documentary. She claims that

828
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: she was in a department store restroom and she encountered

829
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: a distressed woman accompanied by three men. See they have

830
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: upsecurity on her. They were like two clearly too not enough.

831
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: She keeps getting away.

832
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 2: It's a growing enterprise.

833
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: Yes, it's getting larger from the stall this woman, Judy

834
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: heard a woman mentioned children, and the men referenced a

835
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: client in an appointment and that she was forced to attend.

836
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: When the men briefly left the restroom, Judy asked the

837
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: woman about herself, learning that her name was Amy and

838
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: that she was originally from Virginia.

839
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: And that's correct, She's from Virginia.

840
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 1: Yes. Judy was unable to act because the woman who

841
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: allegedly was Amy was rushed out by the men too quickly.

842
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,720
Speaker 1: Judy claims she was not previously aware of Amy's case

843
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: and only realized the significance of this encounter when she

844
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: returned to the US and saw a television special. I

845
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 1: think this was the Doctor Phil show. She was watching

846
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 1: Doctor Phil and he did a story on the Amy

847
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: Bradley disappearance and they put her picture up, and then

848
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: Judy was like, and that's the woman I saw.

849
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 2: And supposed to show that assuming all these sightings are

850
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 2: accurate and his Amy Bradley, or even if it's not

851
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 2: Amy Bradley, they believe it to be Amy Brady. That

852
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 2: but for the widespread news, how many of these women

853
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 2: are abducted and it's not widespread news and they just

854
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 2: go missing tons.

855
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, and apparently a cruise ship isn't easy.

856
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 2: And doctor Phil if he didn't have them on this

857
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 2: lady would never reported it. I mean, how many other

858
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 2: times they are there like that? And then then earlier

859
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 2: when you're telling the story, I was thinking, why would

860
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 2: they go all, like go through the effort of going

861
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 2: on a cruise ship because they'd have to buy a

862
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 2: ticket and then abduct someone and this and that. But

863
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 2: it's because of there's no jurisdiction. It's just a missing

864
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 2: person and that's the end of the case. She could

865
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 2: have jumped off.

866
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, let me add one other fact

867
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: in there. So you know when they went, you know,

868
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: on a cruise ship, when you go to dinner and

869
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: you do the formal dinner and they take photos there

870
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: were they took photos of Amy and the family at

871
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: the dinner, and then when the family went to pick

872
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: up the photos, the photos of Amy were missing. No really, Yeah,

873
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: so that's another thing that you have to That's why

874
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: I tell you I need to make a column and

875
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 1: put overboard.

876
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 2: Okay, so why abducted? Why would why would they go missing?

877
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 2: Meaning like why if the abductors were getting rid of

878
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 2: these photos, what good did that do? I mean, we

879
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 2: knew she was a person.

880
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: Because here's my thought. Yellow and we'll get to this

881
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 1: a little bit later, but maybe we'll just talk about

882
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 1: it now. Yellow has a daughter and her name is

883
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 1: our Nika, Amika, not Arnica. Arnica is the medicine or

884
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: something right or Arnica I think anyway, Amika is the

885
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: daughter of Yellow, the guy who was talking to Amy,

886
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:09,240
Speaker 1: the last person she was seen with. Amika came forward

887
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: and reached out to the Bradley family and had a

888
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: conversation with them about her dad. My thought when I

889
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: was watching it was she knew more than she was

890
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: letting on in the documentary. I felt as if she

891
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 1: knew that her dad was involved somehow, but she didn't

892
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: want to give up her dad, so she kept giving

893
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: her dad the opportunity to come clean. Because she actually

894
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: calls her dad while on camera being interviewed for this

895
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 1: documentary and asked him if he had anything to do

896
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,760
Speaker 1: with it, and on the phone, she's got him on speakerphone.

897
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 1: He's like, I had nothing.

898
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 2: To do with it.

899
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: You know, I saw her. We danced. That was it.

900
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,919
Speaker 1: That was the last thing. But the daughter claims that

901
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 1: she saw a suitcase that her dad had that had

902
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 1: photos of white women in it, like like a lot

903
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: of photos of all these different white women. So what

904
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: I was making, how's this girl at the time, Well,

905
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 1: she's in her twenties or something.

906
00:42:58,960 --> 00:42:59,959
Speaker 2: Okay, now she's an adult.

907
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: She was a child and Yellows daughter Yellow's daughter. And

908
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: when I thought when I saw when I heard her

909
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: say that she saw a suitcase that had photos of

910
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: a lot of white women in it, and then the

911
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: photos of Amy were missing, I thought, he's low on

912
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,720
Speaker 1: the totem pole. He's working for someone. If we're talking

913
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: about an alleged abduction. He took the photos and he's

914
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: showing him to whoever the and saying, hey, how about

915
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: this girl? You know what I mean?

916
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,720
Speaker 2: Oh you think he used that as a lineup? Yeah,

917
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 2: Like he collects the photos and then they pick one and.

918
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: They're like, Okay, she's attractive and young, and you know

919
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: she doesn't she's not with like a whole but she's

920
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: not with like a big group of girls.

921
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 3: You know.

922
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 1: She kind of is with her family. So she's a loner.

923
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: She's kind of off on her own. Doing her own thing.

924
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: She's at a disco tech right. So the photos was

925
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 1: another thing that threw me off the fact that they

926
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 1: disappeared from the ship and the photos of the formal

927
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: night were gone of her and then alleged, according to

928
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: Yellow's daughter, he was found with a suitcase full of

929
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: photos of women.

930
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 2: And that's the daughter saying that about the dad and

931
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 2: the daughter.

932
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:09,879
Speaker 1: To me, and I don't know what you guys think

933
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: when you watched this, but to me, I felt like

934
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 1: the daughter knew more because she felt compelled to reach

935
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: out to the Bradley family and talk to them and

936
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 1: connect with them. I feel like she felt guilty, but

937
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 1: she also didn't want to give up her dad. So

938
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,240
Speaker 1: I felt like she was very conflicted.

939
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 2: Now well, and that's why I asked if she was

940
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 2: a younger child. I don't know how someone.

941
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 1: She grew up with this hanging over, Like I know.

942
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 2: Her, that was always in the back of her mind.

943
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: Well, and it was always an issue because I think

944
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 1: he claims that Alistair Douglas claims that you know, he

945
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: was you know, he gets online hate. He had trouble

946
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: getting jobs because he was involved in this, you know,

947
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: and he also was given a light detector test by

948
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: the FBI and it came out inconclusive.

949
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,240
Speaker 2: Oh and those light detector tests, you know what valid

950
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 2: they are? They are valid.

951
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I need everyone to remember that. Please plant that

952
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: in your brain. So Judy, back to Judy. Judy is

953
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,879
Speaker 1: the one that saw her in the restroom or yeah,

954
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,919
Speaker 1: in a bathroom in Barbados. She's watching Doctor Phil. They're

955
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,320
Speaker 1: doing the story on Amy Bradley. It shows a picture

956
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: of Amy Bradley and then she's like, that is the

957
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: girl I saw in Barbados. So that's another I don't know.

958
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 1: I found her to be credible too in her interview.

959
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: You know, when you watch these things and you listen

960
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 1: to people and you you way whether you believe them

961
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:45,720
Speaker 1: or not. I found her to be very believable anyway.

962
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 1: So the other theories as to what happened to Amy

963
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 1: Bradley that night clearly are one that she drank too

964
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 1: much and that she fell overboard. Other people I've seen

965
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: a lot of this have speculated that she was trying

966
00:45:58,200 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 1: to take a photo because she was going to enter

967
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: a photo contest. However, there's no camera unless she had

968
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: a camera with her on the balcony. And then she

969
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: fell over and the camera went with her. But I

970
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 1: don't know if I believe this whole photo theory of

971
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: her trying to take photos from the balcony and like

972
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: leaned over too far and ended up falling.

973
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, photo of the black sky, I don't know.

974
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 1: I don't know.

975
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 2: Look how the black sky means the black ocean?

976
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, so, but that's what some people

977
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 1: are not playing. There's also the theory because Amy was

978
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: a lesbian and she was in a relationship with a woman,

979
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: but her parents were not accepted or not that they

980
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 1: threw her overboard. But there's people that speculate that maybe

981
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 1: she committed suicide because her parents weren't accepting of the

982
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: fact that she was a lesbian. However, I still go

983
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: back to the fact that you know, she seemed happy.

984
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: She got I'm sorry, she got a puppy, and she

985
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: had a puppy at home, And if you have a

986
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: dog at home waiting on you, you're not going to

987
00:46:58,600 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 1: commit suicide.

988
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 2: I don't know. You don't know, no, because people it's

989
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 2: like saying, oh, oh, Robin Williams, he had everything at

990
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 2: his leisure, Yeah, why would he kill himself? Because that's

991
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 2: not it, And maybe he bought a fancy house. Maybe

992
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 2: he tried to do the big movies to try to

993
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 2: escape from his depression. So maybe her, maybe she got

994
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,879
Speaker 2: a puppy. I don't think she did, but I'm telling

995
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 2: you what's possible. Maybe she got a puppy. Maybe she

996
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 2: was doing all these things to try to distract her

997
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 2: from whatever was she was struggling with with her folks.

998
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 2: So I'm just putting that out there, just meaning you

999
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 2: can't just look at someone and be like, oh, they

1000
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 2: must be happy, because look at all they have.

1001
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: So there were some things that were not in the

1002
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 1: documentary that I because after I watched the documentary, I

1003
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: don't just watch the documentary. I watched the documentary and

1004
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: then I obsess over the documentary, so then I constantly

1005
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: Google read, read articles, get on Reddit, I read as

1006
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: much as possible to add to it. So there were

1007
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:59,879
Speaker 1: some things that weren't in the documentary that I thought

1008
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 1: were important. And then I started to realize that the

1009
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: documentary was good, but you could tell it was. It

1010
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 1: was definitely positioned that she was abducted. And I think

1011
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: that's because and this is just me, this is my opinion.

1012
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: I think because they wanted the family involved in the documentary.

1013
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: The family is very much holding onto hope that she's

1014
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 1: adopted and she's alive, and she's out there and they're

1015
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 1: going to find her well.

1016
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 2: And maybe they were also just putting it from her

1017
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 2: point their point of view, you know, so that they

1018
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 2: gathered from them.

1019
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: There were there were certain things that were left out

1020
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: of the documentary that maybe weren't so savory towards the family.

1021
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 2: Two questions before you get into that, Yeah, is it

1022
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:40,240
Speaker 2: documentary recent?

1023
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, on Netflix right now?

1024
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 2: And the other second question was where's it streaming on Netflix? Okay,

1025
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 2: you answer that.

1026
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: So there was also the Bradleys were scammed out of

1027
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: two hundred thousand dollars searching for Amy. So there was

1028
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 1: there was a man that came forward. His name was

1029
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 1: Frank and he claimed to be a former Navy seal

1030
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: and he basically went to them and he was like, look,

1031
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 1: I have a team. They're in the Caribbean. If you

1032
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: pay me, you know, I'm a former Navy seal. I'm

1033
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: going to go down there. We're going to find her.

1034
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: There's been sightings of her. We're going to get her. Yes,

1035
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: total scam. So the family paid him around twenty two

1036
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: thousand dollars out of their own personal money. Then I

1037
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: believe there was another around one hundred and eighty thousand

1038
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: dollars paid to him that came from like some type

1039
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 1: of victims fund. So he scammed them out of over

1040
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: two hundred thousand dollars. As far as I know, he

1041
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: wasn't a former Navy seal. There was no Navy Seal

1042
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: group in the Caribbean. He would also send photos to

1043
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: them and updates, basically like I'm here, we've seen her,

1044
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: there's been sightings, and kept them funding more money, you know,

1045
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: cause it's like we're close, we saw her, here's a

1046
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 1: picture of her back, and they would send a photo

1047
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: of like a woman that.

1048
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm mad at this person for scamming and

1049
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 2: tugging at the hearts of these people and using them,

1050
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 2: But I'm also mad at this family sometimes when it's like,

1051
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 2: why don't you you got to do some due diligence,

1052
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 2: people are gonna just but I know that they just

1053
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 2: have this hope, right, so they're just throwing money hoping

1054
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 2: that you know something. So I feel for them, but

1055
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 2: sometimes it makes me. It makes me really angry when

1056
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 2: people take money from victims like that and that are

1057
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 2: heartbroken and then it really and then I also get

1058
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 2: upset at the family for kind of letting themselves being

1059
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 2: taken advantage of.

1060
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, so his name was Frank Jones, and.

1061
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 2: That two hundre thousand hollars they could have moved down

1062
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 2: there and lived there. Yeah, he was to walk around

1063
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 2: and try to look for her.

1064
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was another question I had. And these are

1065
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:37,959
Speaker 1: just things I would do that pop up in my mind. One,

1066
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: Here's here's one question I have. And maybe maybe I'm

1067
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: just dumb. I don't know, but I do have a question.

1068
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: When she showed up on the website that showed her

1069
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: as a sex worker, and I know they sent the

1070
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: FBI down there to investigate. They even like they looked

1071
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: into the photo, they looked at the bed, They tried

1072
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: to find like the manufacturer of the bed so that

1073
00:50:56,640 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 1: they could locate you know this. I but to me,

1074
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, why didn't someone go undercover and try to

1075
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 1: hire her?

1076
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if she's on a weekend, right, he

1077
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 2: just went to the brothel. Yeah, like they took her.

1078
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if she's on a website being advertised

1079
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: as a sex worker.

1080
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 2: He didn't call the FBI and say, hey, I think

1081
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 2: she's over there. Yeah, why didn't and then they go

1082
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 2: and like research the beds. Yeah, I went in and

1083
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 2: he took her.

1084
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 1: Like, why isn't someone like stationed down there undercover trying

1085
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: to hire this girl because they're advertising her services? So

1086
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: how is it that like that?

1087
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 2: And maybe they did.

1088
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: Maybe that's just.

1089
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 2: That that seems to be a missed opportunity for sure, Right.

1090
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 1: And then to your point that you were talking about

1091
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: as a parent, I think I would have done the

1092
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: same thing. I think I would move there too, because

1093
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 1: if there's all these sightings between these three little islands

1094
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,720
Speaker 1: like Barbados and Aruba and Carousal, and there's multiple sightings

1095
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: in Carousal, I'm telling you what, we would all pack

1096
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: up and we would leave.

1097
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 2: There was reason to believe that she's flown around.

1098
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: And we would all be living in Cursow and every

1099
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: day we would be on a mission to if I

1100
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 1: truly believed that she was alive and she was existing

1101
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: out there, I would find her.

1102
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 2: I would be at every brothel.

1103
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: Yes, you would, I know you would, thank you. Oh,

1104
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: there was another thing that wasn't in the Netflix documentary

1105
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: that Brad talks about on a podcast, or it was

1106
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 1: also on some other I think it was on an

1107
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 1: Unsolved Mysteries. It was said that Amy's brother Brad, claimed

1108
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: that Yellow had come up to him on the pool

1109
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: deck shortly after Amy disappeared and said, hey, man, I'm

1110
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: sorry about your sister. Now, from what I take away

1111
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: from that is, this is before anyone knew that she

1112
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: was truly missing, because it took so long before they

1113
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 1: made the announcement that she was missing. So Yello had

1114
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: come up and said hey, I'm sorry about your sister

1115
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 1: before it was known. So that was something else that

1116
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: was kind of omitted or not talked about in the documentary. Also,

1117
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: a jawbone washed up on shore near where Amy went missing.

1118
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: This is in twenty ten, local authorities discovered a jawbone

1119
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: that washed up on a beach in Aruba. It was

1120
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 1: believed to belong to a Caucasian. There was another female,

1121
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 1: it just says Caucasian. There was another missing person case

1122
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 1: around the same time as this discovery, and that was

1123
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: eighteen year old Natalie Holloway. The jawbone was tested and

1124
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: found to not belong to Natalie, but no such testing

1125
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,240
Speaker 1: was carried out to see if it belonged to Amy Bradley.

1126
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,280
Speaker 1: Now see there's another thing. You're spending two hundred thousand

1127
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 1: dollars on a fake Navy seal, Like, get the jawbone tested.

1128
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:38,359
Speaker 1: I do believe you can.

1129
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 2: You can't be fair. Maybe they were tapped out by then.

1130
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 2: Maybe it wasn't so easy.

1131
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: Well, the FBI should be testing it.

1132
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,959
Speaker 2: Somebody should be testing it the jawbone at this time.

1133
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: I don't know who has the jaw bone, but I would.

1134
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 2: Like someone there. Is it literally just a bone?

1135
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I do think that with bones, now,

1136
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: can't you get deep?

1137
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 2: And you can't what could be DNA in there? But yeah,

1138
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 2: to think twenty ten, so that this thing's flotting around

1139
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 2: for twelve years in the ocean, it's going to have

1140
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 2: a bunch of algae and stuff.

1141
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was something else that they didn't really

1142
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 1: talk about. That Natalie Holloway case. That's an interesting one too.

1143
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: I feel like we need.

1144
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 2: To do today.

1145
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: No not today. You're like, I'm not prepared for that.

1146
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 2: I'm not prepared for that any of them.

1147
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 1: You never are.

1148
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 2: Thanks for showing up that.

1149
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:29,359
Speaker 1: You are just shade and then in twenty ten, even

1150
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 1: though there was no conclusion to this case, and it

1151
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: still is an open missing person's case and the FBI

1152
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 1: still has it as you know, a missing persons and

1153
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: if you have any information. However, she was declared dead

1154
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: in twenty ten because she had been gone. And then

1155
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 1: there's one other thing I wanted to talk about that

1156
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: they didn't talk about in the Netflix documentary, and this

1157
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: is because I felt like again that the producers were

1158
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: pushing this narrative of like her being abducted, and I

1159
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: think they were trying to keep the family happy, and

1160
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: they wanted the family to be on board, and they

1161
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: wanted the family to be a big part of it.

1162
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: The family sued Royal Caribbean right after this happened, and

1163
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 1: they actually sued them in two different lawsuits. One was

1164
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: like a negligence intentional infliction of emotional distress and then

1165
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 1: the second one was a wrongful death. But what happened

1166
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: was they sued them in Miami that was the jurisdiction

1167
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: right and they ended up dismissing both cases because they

1168
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: found that the Bradleys perjured themselves in court. Well, they

1169
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: say that they perpetuated a fraud on the court by

1170
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:36,839
Speaker 1: giving false answers during their depositions. And this is where

1171
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:41,720
Speaker 1: I think one in the wrongful death case, they want

1172
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 1: her to be dead, so then you don't want to

1173
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 1: give information about sighting. So I think that they were

1174
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:53,320
Speaker 1: not giving they were not forthcoming about these credible sightings

1175
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,720
Speaker 1: because they need her to be dead for the wrongful

1176
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: death suit. But then in the negligence and like the

1177
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:03,320
Speaker 1: intentional infliction of emotional distress, I think there were lots

1178
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: of sightings, like one hundred plus sightings that claim that

1179
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 1: they saw that people saw her not under dress, just

1180
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 1: disembarking from the ship, and they didn't bring forth that

1181
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 1: evidence either. So basically they were withholding a lot of

1182
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,359
Speaker 1: evidence in their depositions. And then the judge just got

1183
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: really irritated and said, you're perjured the court. You're not forthcoming.

1184
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 2: And these depositions, any cases were right, So that's what

1185
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 2: happened with those and that was not brought up.

1186
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: There were no details given about these court cases in

1187
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 1: the Netflix documentary. I think it's because it doesn't look

1188
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: good for the Bradleys that maybe takes away from their

1189
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: integrity or care.

1190
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 2: On the and I think they wanted Bradley as opposed

1191
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 2: to you know, the legal progressions and whatnot.

1192
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think it also goes down to just

1193
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 1: them and their credibility and you know, so anyway, so anyway,

1194
00:56:58,040 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 1: those were dismissed.

1195
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 2: And then that the judge went on a cruise right

1196
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:02,320
Speaker 2: after the case was dismissed.

1197
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 1: Oh yacumentary from was it on Rhapsody of the Seas?

1198
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 1: All right? So I also read an article about the

1199
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 1: documentary makers were interviewed, and I thought the interview was

1200
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 1: really interesting. So when asked if they think Amy is alive,

1201
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 1: Aery Mark Ari Mark said, I got to the point

1202
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: on this show where I became close enough with the people.

1203
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: Of course, we remain objective, and we were objective through

1204
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 1: the whole process. There are enough reasons to believe all

1205
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 1: of these things are possible. That's what makes it compelling.

1206
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: But brad Amy's brother says, I have to cling to

1207
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: the hope. He's like, I'm not saying it's definitely this

1208
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: or definitely that, but I have to cling to the hope.

1209
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 1: I think that is important when you're analyzing this case,

1210
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: is that there's enough credible sightings out there, and then

1211
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: there's the website, and there's the possibility that she is

1212
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 1: still alive, and that's what helps the family get through

1213
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 1: the day.

1214
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you hold on to that too. I wouldn't

1215
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 2: be like, well and probably not, I would be holding

1216
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 2: on to that, you know.

1217
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: And it's also interesting they really like preserved her like

1218
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 1: a time capsule because she drove a Maza Miata and

1219
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 1: they have the car in pristine condition in the parents

1220
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 1: in the garage waiting for her.

1221
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 2: Okay, one of your kids go missing, are you going

1222
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 2: to clean out the room and redecorate.

1223
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: No, but I'm just saying yeah, so they're holding on

1224
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 1: to hope that that she is out there. My other question,

1225
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: and I didn't tell you this before, tell me what

1226
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: you think about this. The website. There's a website like

1227
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: Amy Bradley is Missing website, and they get a lot

1228
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: of hits because they've done the analytics on this website.

1229
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: It's information about her photos. The hits come from Barbados

1230
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 1: and Carousal that area, and the hits are the most

1231
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: prevalent and the most hits around the family's birthday and holidays.

1232
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 2: So I don't know if that means anything.

1233
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: Well, a lot of people think it's Amy Bradley.

1234
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:01,439
Speaker 2: So what on the holiday birthday? She goes, Oh, because

1235
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 2: there are other updates on that website. Yes, there's updates.

1236
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 2: I thought that was just like a missing poster.

1237
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 1: No, well, it's Amy Bradley is missing. But it's but

1238
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 1: the family adds updates and they add photos and things

1239
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 1: and the most of the okay, camry from those islands.

1240
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 2: And you're implying that it's possible that it's her, Well,

1241
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 2: it's not just me.

1242
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 1: People think that it could be her.

1243
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 2: Wouldn't you reach out?

1244
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 1: That is my question? That's what I was getting to.

1245
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 1: If she's looking at a website and she's looking at

1246
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 1: photos of her family, and she has access to a computer,

1247
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 1: why can't you just send like, can you send any like?

1248
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 2: Because maybe it's not her? But then why are they maybe?

1249
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 2: But then why are they hitting?

1250
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 1: Why are there so many hits on the days when

1251
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 1: like it's her brother's birthday or.

1252
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 2: Her mom's birthday's official? This dad is official.

1253
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 1: Yes, it's like a cyber yeah person together. Yeah. And also,

1254
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's been twenty seven years. In twenty

1255
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 1: seven years, now, you couldn't slip a like a help

1256
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 1: me piece of paper over to someone or something.

1257
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 2: Well, she did well, according to you, she went up

1258
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 2: to a couple of people and she made efforts. Yeah,

1259
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 2: but it's not that easy. What if what if the

1260
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 2: two men grab her or take her and beat her

1261
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 2: or do something or threaten to kill her family. We

1262
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 2: know where your family is either here on doctor Phil,

1263
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 2: We're gonna kill him. Well, there's and I I you

1264
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 2: can you can. I can assure you that you can

1265
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 2: get any person, particularly someone you know, under threat like

1266
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 2: that where she's been abducted and she knows she's under

1267
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 2: their control and they say we know your family, we

1268
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 2: have pictures, we will kill them. Yeah, and that's the

1269
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 2: end of it. So you can't fault her for not

1270
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 2: reaching out. You can wonder why she couldn't, but you

1271
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 2: can't fault her if she doesn't reach out.

1272
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 1: There are some people also that think that maybe she

1273
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 1: has children now at this point, and because there was

1274
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 1: some mention that one woman, Judy that saw her in

1275
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 1: the bathroom and Barbados said there was a conversation about

1276
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 1: like she overheard them saying you can see the kids,

1277
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 1: or you can see the children later or something like that.

1278
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 1: So people speculate that maybe she has children.

1279
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty seven years, that's a lot. That's longer than

1280
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 2: she was alive. But when she got adducted, so she

1281
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 2: might just be, you know, accepting kind of her new Well.

1282
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: I also thought maybe at this point, if she is alive,

1283
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 1: maybe there's an element of Stockholm syndrome.

1284
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 2: I guess that was my way of saying, she's accepted

1285
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 2: kind of this is my life, these are my kids,

1286
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 2: this is this is just the way it is. Like

1287
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 2: it's not great, but it's the way it is righteous.

1288
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 2: So she kind of succumbed to the circumstances.

1289
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 1: Right, So when the picture this is going back, we're

1290
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 1: just going back a little bit back to the creators

1291
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 1: who created this documentary. When the picture of the prostitute

1292
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 1: and Cursaal was brought up, they talk about Amy being

1293
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 1: positioned in a very specific way that would hide her

1294
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 1: identifying marks, her tattoos and birth marks, which we talked

1295
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 1: about earlier. Ari Mark comments that part really made us

1296
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 1: scratch our heads too. The other piece that's hard to

1297
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 1: ignore is how seriously the FBI took the photo. It

1298
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 1: wasn't like they were like, oh whatever, They really did

1299
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 1: chase down that lead. They analyzed the bedframe, tried to

1300
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 1: figure out where it was made. They send an operative

1301
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 1: down there to actually scope it out, and they did

1302
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 1: look into the website and they brought in a trafficking expert.

1303
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 1: So that's all hard to ignore. Even with all those

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Speaker 1: things and all the things the FBI did, they still

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01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 1: couldn't locate her. Then the interviewer points out on family

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01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 1: birthdays and holidays, traffic to the Bradley's Tips website spikes

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01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 1: and the same geographical area where Amy has supposedly been spotted.

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01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 1: The FBI does not have jurisdiction to pull the exact

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01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 1: IP address, but they have the ability to, which is

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Speaker 1: incredibly frustrating. So that was the other thing they cannot.

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01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 1: They're not pulling the IP address of these hits on

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Speaker 1: this Amy Bradley updates website. All right, So where am

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01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 1: I at personally? It Again, this case just reminds me

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Speaker 1: of Karen Reid, where it's so easy to say, you

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01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 1: know what, she probably just jumped or she probably fell,

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01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 1: But when you take a deeper dive, you just it's

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01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 1: hard for me to commit to that. I do believe

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Speaker 1: based upon the credible sightings, the fact that Alistair Douglas

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01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 1: was seen with her, that he had a suitcase of

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01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 1: women's photos, that her photos disappeared from the ship, That

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01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 1: it is very very likely and very possible that she's

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01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 1: still alive and that she was abducted. I think that's

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Speaker 1: where I'm going to land with that, and I do hope.

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01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 1: My hope is that because all of this is coming

1325
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 1: to light and now it's just everyone's talking about it

1326
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 1: and there's a documentary that I hope for the family

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01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 1: that there is some conclusion to this saga for them,

1328
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 1: because the not knowing has to just be I can't

1329
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 1: imagine every day waking up and just not knowing what

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01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 1: happened to your daughter. Right So anyway, one last update,

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Speaker 1: people are calling for an AMY alert on cruise ships.

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Speaker 1: There is a petition on change dot org with over

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Speaker 1: twelve thousand signatures that calls for a mandatory AMY alert

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01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 1: system on cruise ships, similar similar to an Amber alert,

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Speaker 1: ensuring immediate announcements and heightened awareness among among all passengers

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Speaker 1: and crew. The petition states that mandating AMY alerts would

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01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 1: improve response times for any potential crisis on board, and

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Speaker 1: it could prevent prolonged uncertainties for families and even save lives.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know. As far as policy change, I

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01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 1: couldn't really find that there was a lot of policy

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01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 1: change based upon the Amy Bradley case. It was more

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01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 1: of just now there's more security or security cameras on

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01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 1: cruise ships. But at the end of the day, you're

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Speaker 1: still on a floating.

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Speaker 2: Well as strong, you're only as strong as your weakest link.

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01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 2: And they get all the cameras in the world. If

1347
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 2: they don't preserve the evidence, they don't do their investigation,

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01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 2: if they don't lock down the ship, then none of that's.

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Speaker 1: And I do know that during that time period in

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Speaker 1: the nineties, the crew could fratnize with the passengers, and

1351
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:50,720
Speaker 1: now I do believe that there are strict, stricter rules

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01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 1: as far as not co mingling with passengers and things

1353
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 1: like that. So, I mean, some things have changed since

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01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 1: the disappearance of Amy Bradley, but not a lot. So

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01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:00,960
Speaker 1: everyone needs to be make sure you read the back

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01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:03,440
Speaker 1: of your ticket when you go on a cruise. I'm

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01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 1: actually supposed to be on a cruise in like a

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01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 1: week on rural Caribbean.

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Speaker 2: What's the name of the ship I'm going to find out?

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Speaker 1: All right, Thanks guys for listening. We appreciate it.