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Speaker 3: How y'all doing.
Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm sad though time together.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, yeah, that was supposed to be said.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's okay.
Speaker 3: Oh man, I mean we've got some time to really
Speaker 3: think about Dallas Cowboys. We had a bye week. Now
Speaker 3: it's time to talk ball. Did y'all watch the Eagles games?
Speaker 4: Yep?
Speaker 1: Watch every moment of it all?
Speaker 3: Right? What scares y'all the most about? Okay? Wow, Dang,
Speaker 3: I can't even get my thoughts out. What scares y'all
Speaker 3: the most about this Eagles team taking down the Dolphins yesterday?
Speaker 3: I think it was thirty one seventeen. There's a lot
Speaker 3: to be scared about. I'm not gonna want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot to be scared about. So when
Speaker 1: I think about the Eagles, we hope straight into this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll talk. We'll talk Cowboys and a few and
Speaker 3: break down their defensive front is disgusting.
Speaker 1: And when I say disgusting, I mean that in the
Speaker 1: most respectful way. They what they've done in the draft
Speaker 1: the last two years is absolutely ridiculous, and everybody allows
Speaker 1: them to do it. Everybody passed on players, They passed
Speaker 1: on Big Davis, they passed on Jalen Carter, and allowed
Speaker 1: these guys to get both of those monsters in there
Speaker 1: to the point where now you have Fletcher Cox sitting
Speaker 1: on the bench, you have Jalen Carter coming off the
Speaker 1: bench sometimes, you know, and you just have this rotation
Speaker 1: of just complete dogs up front that are starters on
Speaker 1: any team. Literally, they have two waves of guys that
Speaker 1: are starters on any team. And you can say the
Speaker 1: same thing about the defensive end position for the Dallas Cowboys,
Speaker 1: but the interior defensive lignment now allow for them to
Speaker 1: run a defensive set and a three to four that
Speaker 1: you typically would feel confident running against. But you can't
Speaker 1: run against that three four and they make it hard.
Speaker 1: And once you once you're able to take away a
Speaker 1: team's you know, one one third of their game, one
Speaker 1: third of their attack, you know, in terms of the
Speaker 1: running game, it makes it makes it very difficult in
Speaker 1: terms of progressing the ball down the field. I was
Speaker 1: a house bulst of you got you haven't guys that
Speaker 1: you have on outside?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean they definitely have talent. But you'll never
Speaker 5: hear me say anything about the Eagles. Scare me. I've
Speaker 5: never put that ware next. Yeah, I'm that person. I'm
Speaker 5: that person. It's it's not about that. It's just like
Speaker 5: there's no other teams. Well, yeah, there are other teams,
Speaker 5: but because now the forty nine ers have guying out there.
Speaker 5: But look at it anyway you want. But I am
Speaker 5: not intimidated by the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 1: Okay, what do you respect about them? That this has changed?
Speaker 1: Changed again?
Speaker 5: You have to appreciate some of the talent that that
Speaker 5: is in there, because that is what makes sometimes a
Speaker 5: very fun competitive game to watch and what makes it
Speaker 5: a lot more exciting when you're gonna face that team
Speaker 5: that's definitely a big one of your biggest rivals in
Speaker 5: obviously in your division, but all in the NFL as well.
Speaker 5: But we've seen it too when going up against a
Speaker 5: divisional opponent, how things can change and you never know
Speaker 5: what a game is actually going to turn into and
Speaker 5: who's gonna be benefiting from that game that week. So
Speaker 5: I think if we talk about the Cowboys versus Eagles,
Speaker 5: which will happen in a couple of weeks, that's coming
Speaker 5: right around the corner. Talent wise, I think currently they
Speaker 5: seem to be in the upper level right now. But
Speaker 5: that's not to say I don't trust some of the
Speaker 5: things that the Cowboys have, And going back to the
Speaker 5: whole ref and officiating of things, something needs to happen
Speaker 5: around the league and the NFL of just improving some
Speaker 5: of the calls in general, because we've seen it back
Speaker 5: to back. I think they finished no penalties yesterday, so yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: but I'm saying some of yeah, it's some of those
Speaker 5: things that happen in that game. You're just like sometimes
Speaker 5: it makes you wonder, Okay, what is this really? You
Speaker 5: don't know what's right or wrong anymore sometimes when it
Speaker 5: comes to whether there's a call or something that's not
Speaker 5: being called. So it's just it sucks because we know
Speaker 5: how much a penalty can cost you in a game,
Speaker 5: and we've seen it happen before. So it just when
Speaker 5: you don't find any type of consistency when it comes
Speaker 5: to the officiating of just a game in general, whether
Speaker 5: it benefits you or the opposing team, it just sucks
Speaker 5: all in all, and I think that in general needs
Speaker 5: to be fixed.
Speaker 1: So you think that the referees had an impact on
Speaker 1: the game yesterday.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so. And you can say one was
Speaker 5: a better team in general, and that's fair to say.
Speaker 5: But at the end of the day, if it does
Speaker 5: affect the outcome from where or the other.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to be the time break of that one.
Speaker 3: I can agree with you know, the reference the officiating,
Speaker 3: But I mean that that Eagles team has they got
Speaker 3: some dogs in every position. I mean, starting with of
Speaker 3: course Jalen Hurts. Then you go to the receivers AJ Brown,
Speaker 3: DeVante Smith, like those are elite route runners, uh and
Speaker 3: day and Hurts had exactly, but he was still able
Speaker 3: to extend plays, you know, and make things shaken. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean I think that, And then I think they
Speaker 3: just added All Pro safety Kevin Byard. Like it's like
Speaker 3: they're they just did that maybe twenty minutes ago, breaking news.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so Listen. I know a lot of people
Speaker 1: are listen. I'll draft I was drafted by the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: played for the Cowboys, never played for Philly, right. I
Speaker 1: know a lot of people refuse to give credit where
Speaker 1: credit is due, and because of team affiliations and loyalty.
Speaker 1: I hear you, and I get it. However, I'm a realist.
Speaker 1: Big kudos to the Philadelphia the front office, Like they
Speaker 1: are probably the most aggressive front office in the league,
Speaker 1: and because of that, you hear their names in the
Speaker 1: front of the of the NFC every single year. Same
Speaker 1: thing with San Francisco. They've been the one of the
Speaker 1: most aggressive teams in free agency and trades and all
Speaker 1: those things in the last few years.
Speaker 5: And that's what's impressive, the short amount of time that
Speaker 5: they've been able to do all those moves in acquiring
Speaker 5: Thilent and being able to manage everything under the cap
Speaker 5: like and make it work. That is very very.
Speaker 1: Yeah, kudos, kudos. I can't believe they got here.
Speaker 3: Yep. Yeah, scary addition to that side. Now the Eagles,
Speaker 3: you look at them, they're six and one leading the
Speaker 3: NFC East Cowboys right behind them. Then you've got, you know,
Speaker 3: of course, the Giants and the Commanders. Giants be the
Speaker 3: Commander yesterday, so that's you know. Oh, they play them
Speaker 3: in a couple of weeks. But let's talk about this
Speaker 3: Rams Cowboys game. Okay, he sounds stressed. I am not
Speaker 3: very stressed right now.
Speaker 1: We can't name names in terms of people that I
Speaker 1: would love to see Dallas trade for it because people
Speaker 1: are on rosters and we don't need any tampering issues.
Speaker 1: But there are some people out there that I would
Speaker 1: be hopeful that Dallas will be making phone calls on.
Speaker 1: Even most teams would not call on some of the
Speaker 1: people that I'm that I have in my mind because
Speaker 1: they seemingly are off limits. But in this NFL, nobody's
Speaker 1: off limits. And you have to take your shots, and
Speaker 1: you have to understand where you're at as a organization.
Speaker 1: You have to understand how close you are are you
Speaker 1: in striking distance actually being competitive to be able to
Speaker 1: go get a ship, you know, like get a go
Speaker 1: get a ring, and then you have to make the
Speaker 1: moves that puts you in the best position possible. And
Speaker 1: I feel as if too many organizations play towards the future, like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: we got to position ourselves for a run, you know,
Speaker 1: in a couple of years, or we got to position
Speaker 1: ourselves because of salary cap. And I'm like, you playing
Speaker 1: to win a ring, and you have to do what
Speaker 1: you have to do to get that ring. And I
Speaker 1: think Philadelphia has done a heck of a job. And
Speaker 1: I'm hopeful that Dallas. Dallas took steps forward this year
Speaker 1: this off season and being more aggressive, and I was
Speaker 1: very proud of them. They were They still stepped way
Speaker 1: out of their comfort zone. They pulled off the beat Cooks,
Speaker 1: they put out the guildmore right, It's like, Okay, they
Speaker 1: pulled these parts out, and I hope that continues. I
Speaker 1: hope they keep that energy. I hope they try things
Speaker 1: that other teams are unwilling to try to bolster this
Speaker 1: team because windows closed, windows closed, and there's you know
Speaker 1: the chances of you keeping your entire defense together. Yes,
Speaker 1: you you are able to secure your entire secondary you have,
Speaker 1: you know, you got some guys that you know, Trayvon
Speaker 1: that you are able to secure, you have Mica, but
Speaker 1: there's a lot of there's a lot of guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in reality, yeah, you're not gonna make everybody happen, and
Speaker 1: so you're probably not going to retain everybody. That's just
Speaker 1: the reality of this game. Guys are going to go
Speaker 1: chase the bag, whoever's gonna give them the bag. That's
Speaker 1: where they're going. I'm sorry, Cowboys Nation, but that's where
Speaker 1: this game has gotten. You've gotten to the point where
Speaker 1: players have to take care of themselves. And that comes
Speaker 1: in then in light of having to get their money
Speaker 1: in a short window of time. And if they're your
Speaker 1: organization that you're currently playing for, isn't going to give
Speaker 1: you that bag. Sorry, I have to go get this bag.
Speaker 1: So you might lose some of these players. So knowing
Speaker 1: that you might not retain everybody anyways, take your shot,
Speaker 1: Like take your shot as some cats that that you like,
Speaker 1: it would jump off the screen like there's no way
Speaker 1: they just pull that off, Like yeah, okay, let's go.
Speaker 3: So then what okay, let's just go towards that conversation,
Speaker 3: what position group do you want to upgrade? Then, since
Speaker 3: the trade line is coming up in about a week,
Speaker 3: what position are you going after?
Speaker 1: So there's one player in particular that I think about
Speaker 1: on the offensive side, Okay, offensively, I think, because when
Speaker 1: you think about trades, you're not trading for the future.
Speaker 1: If you're trading at this time of the year, you're
Speaker 1: trading because you're making Yeah, I need somebody to come
Speaker 1: in now, like what Philly just did. Like, that's our
Speaker 1: secondary is a little that's our only soft spot that
Speaker 1: we have on our defense. Let's let's make it. Let's
Speaker 1: make it strong, right, Let's let's have no weaknesses at all. Okay, impenetrable.
Speaker 1: So I think Dallas, I think there's one running back
Speaker 1: in particular that the team probably wouldn't give them up,
Speaker 1: but you could take your shot. And I think if
Speaker 1: they were able to grab this one running back, I
Speaker 1: think it would add a whole nother dynamic. Knowing that
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard isn't on contract beyond this year, so I
Speaker 1: think that's an opportunity. I also think that you can
Speaker 1: come out there and get another big boy on the
Speaker 1: interior defensive line. I'm talking about another run stopping Jonathan
Speaker 1: Hankins type of person that he can play next to.
Speaker 1: Or if Hankins, well, you know, God forbid anything ever
Speaker 1: happened to Hankins. You're not now sitting up there twiddling
Speaker 1: your thumb trying to figure out how do you feel
Speaker 1: that void? Because right now he's honestly your one big
Speaker 1: time run stopper. I mean he is. There's other guys
Speaker 1: in the house, not yet and not yet, and I
Speaker 1: think you will, I think he will, but it's just
Speaker 1: some guys take longer than others to catch on, and
Speaker 1: right now he's that he's one of those guys. There's
Speaker 1: no shot at him. It's just not happening in the
Speaker 1: time span that everybody was hoping. So if you lose
Speaker 1: Jonathan Hankins, you are now back in the same position
Speaker 1: because the guy that you drafted to play alongside him
Speaker 1: hasn't developed yet. So what options do you have if
Speaker 1: something goes wrong in that regard? Get somebody else for
Speaker 1: a sense of security. That's the only way team or
Speaker 1: teams are running the ball against you. Forty six forty
Speaker 1: seven percent of their snaps they're running the ball, So
Speaker 1: that's how they want to attack. You discourage them from
Speaker 1: running the ball against you by getting another big dog
Speaker 1: on the inside. So that's my thoughts. I know a
Speaker 1: lot of people are going to say, oh, we need
Speaker 1: another receiver. Well, you gotta find a way to get
Speaker 1: the receivers you have now the ball. Ye, so that's
Speaker 1: not it. I think that the interior defensive line would
Speaker 1: make a huge difference for this team. And I think
Speaker 1: if you can get there's only one running back out
Speaker 1: there that I would go grab that, that would be
Speaker 1: like a shocking like what the heck? How did they
Speaker 1: do that? And if they did that, I think this
Speaker 1: running game would turn up.
Speaker 5: Well, it's that's interesting because I think you currently do
Speaker 5: have some very capable backs on the team. It just
Speaker 5: hasn't We haven't seen it. It hasn't clicked. And that
Speaker 5: goes along the whole offense in general. You talk about
Speaker 5: wide receiver, Yes, you definitely would want a weapon like
Speaker 5: that on offense, but nothing like on paper you think
Speaker 5: this offense looks pretty good, should be pretty good. You
Speaker 5: shouldn't have You shouldn't have the issues that you currently have.
Speaker 5: You shouldn't be so like you don't you still don't
Speaker 5: know what you have on the team, like you don't
Speaker 5: know what your offense really is just yet, but it
Speaker 5: just it's not clicking. So to me, I would say,
Speaker 5: if I was looking at to add some talent, I
Speaker 5: would go to the defense and add some somebody in
Speaker 5: the secondary. I think I don't like saying this because
Speaker 5: I still think that Gilmore is a very capable corner
Speaker 5: and he is a veteran, has a lot, but there
Speaker 5: is some part of his game where he's just he'll
Speaker 5: be slow, you know, And I feel like Darren Blant,
Speaker 5: he's done an amazing job taking on that role, but
Speaker 5: you can't leave everything up to him. I think you're
Speaker 5: liking a little something after you lost Trevon Dicks with
Speaker 5: the injury, and the defense unfortunately has not gone back
Speaker 5: to being that defense that we initially thought we had
Speaker 5: at the beginning.
Speaker 1: I agree with you at the cornerback position. I think
Speaker 1: if there was a corner out there that you can
Speaker 1: get that is classified as a shutdown corner, there's only
Speaker 1: about three or four it Tho was in an entire league, right,
Speaker 1: so the probability of the team giving up a cornerback.
Speaker 5: Is probably hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, unless there's some issues they're having out there with
Speaker 1: the organization. It's slim to none that you're going to
Speaker 1: get that. But I do agree that would be a
Speaker 1: position that I would go after. I wanted to go
Speaker 1: back to the offense. Like the offense is not doing bad,
Speaker 1: it's just not as explosive and flash as people are
Speaker 1: used to, right, And that's something I talked about all
Speaker 1: through training camp that this whatever you have in your
Speaker 1: head in terms of this offense and what it's been
Speaker 1: like, like scrub that, like get your etch and sketch out
Speaker 1: and race that out the way and you start blank
Speaker 1: because this is a new offense is not going to
Speaker 1: look the same. It's not going to feel the same,
Speaker 1: it's not going to look the same. Offensively, they're six
Speaker 1: in the league in terms of average Russians per game.
Speaker 1: They're getting thirty rushes a game. Okay, ninth in the
Speaker 1: league in terms of rushing yards per game one hundred
Speaker 1: and nineteen yards per.
Speaker 5: Game's which is crazy because when you're looking, when you're
Speaker 5: watching the game, you're paying attention to the start. It
Speaker 5: definitely doesn't.
Speaker 1: Feel I feel like that. So we're talking about that's
Speaker 1: two stats. Top ten right in terms of the rushing
Speaker 1: game fourth in the league and third down conversions forty
Speaker 1: percent on third down conversion, So not only are you
Speaker 1: running the ball effectively, but you're actually sustaining drives because
Speaker 1: of the fourth on third down. Yeah, fourth in the
Speaker 1: league on third down conversion. Okay, and then Dak is
Speaker 1: fourth in the league on sixty nine point seven percent
Speaker 1: in terms of his completion rate. Doesn't feel like it.
Speaker 1: So statistically they're doing a good job. Now where are
Speaker 1: they sleping that? Well, they're eleventh worst team in terms
Speaker 1: of sacks. Okay, they've given up seven They've given up
Speaker 1: sacks on seven percent of their of their passes. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's after Dak escaped five sacks last week as well. Okay,
Speaker 1: So they're struggling up front trying to figure out that
Speaker 1: aspect of the red zone. That's something that stuck out
Speaker 1: in everybody's mind. So they're moving the ball, but are
Speaker 1: they putting it in the end zone? Right? So those
Speaker 1: are things that are sticking out in people's minds. And
Speaker 1: the big plays people are used to seeing big plays
Speaker 1: around here. Well, the only way you're gonna see big
Speaker 1: plays around here is if you can get that running
Speaker 1: game going in with explosive plays on the ground, not
Speaker 1: just the effective plays, not just the you know, the
Speaker 1: four or five yard runs, Like you have to have
Speaker 1: those splash plays to get those teams to come out
Speaker 1: of two high safety and go down to go down
Speaker 1: to one single high safety. Now you can get those
Speaker 1: big plays over the top. So just wanted to kind
Speaker 1: of bring that full circle because a lot of people
Speaker 1: are really they're not They don't they don't feel good
Speaker 1: about this offense right now. And I'm like, listen for
Speaker 1: a brand new offense with a brand new coordinator, with
Speaker 1: a brand new system, brand new terminology, Like they're not
Speaker 1: doing half bad. It just doesn't feel right.
Speaker 5: You can accumulate all those stats throughout the game, but
Speaker 5: are you scoring? And that's the issue point, that's a
Speaker 5: whole issue. There is like you see them driving down
Speaker 5: the field at times really really good, and then they
Speaker 5: get into now the red zone issues and they're unable
Speaker 5: to score. And I think that's where some of that
Speaker 5: perception falls into. When you when those stats don't translate.
Speaker 3: Points, what's those confidence level in this offense? I mean,
Speaker 3: you just ran off the stats, but what's your confidence
Speaker 3: level in this offense through the first six weeks seven weeks.
Speaker 1: I feel, honestly I understand this offense because I've been
Speaker 1: in this type of offense before, so I have a
Speaker 1: perspective and an outlook that most people don't. So I
Speaker 1: know where this offense can be and most likely will
Speaker 1: be towards the middle part of the season. We're not
Speaker 1: need the middle of part of the season yet, you know,
Speaker 1: so like by that time, I think that coach McCarthy
Speaker 1: will be hitting this flow. I think he's going to
Speaker 1: get his ebbs and flows. The communication will be on point, right,
Speaker 1: the substance tuition, the personnel groupings, the formations, the shifts,
Speaker 1: the motions, like all that stuff has to come into
Speaker 1: play where you're still keeping your foundational pillars of your offense,
Speaker 1: but you're just making it look different. That's the West
Speaker 1: Coast system, right. You might run the same seven dog
Speaker 1: un routes all day long, but guess what, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: move you around and I'm gonna change the leverage, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna change the emotions. I'm gonna make sure that this
Speaker 1: a massive matchup that I want to put you in motion.
Speaker 1: Okay they didn't adjust, Okay, I'm gonna bring you back now. Like,
Speaker 1: there's a whole lot of intricacies to the offense that
Speaker 1: they will get there, and I think you saw some
Speaker 1: of that last week. You started to see some of
Speaker 1: those things show up, Like, Okay, they're moving CD around. Okay,
Speaker 1: you saw turping a couple weeks ago. Oh turping. Shoot,
Speaker 1: they move turping around. There we go touchdown. They move
Speaker 1: CD around, Okay, they adjust some things. Okay, he ran
Speaker 1: a slant ROUNDE. But guess what they moved guys around.
Speaker 1: The linebacker Now move five yards inside and now CD
Speaker 1: has an open slant. So there's a lot of things
Speaker 1: like that that are going to continue to present themselves,
Speaker 1: but they have to get comfortable.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: To me, I think if you take the emotions out
Speaker 5: of everything on paper and everything that I just said,
Speaker 5: it looks it's okay, like this is something we can
Speaker 5: work with. But when you put emotions inside, which is me,
Speaker 5: I'm a very emotional person, I go through a whole
Speaker 5: roller coaster of things, you know. And I've only been
Speaker 5: working here and following the Cowboys for like ten years,
Speaker 5: so i haven't been following the team or the nfls
Speaker 5: as long as many.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like it was nothing, We're over here. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm playing here.
Speaker 5: I feel really old. Yeah, it's it's yeah, let's just
Speaker 5: forget about that party, forget that. But my point is
Speaker 5: that when you put the emotions into the whole thing
Speaker 5: of like the trajectory each year after after year, and
Speaker 5: you get to a point where, for me, this year,
Speaker 5: I really thought we were up here. Beginning of training camp,
Speaker 5: you see everybody on offense. You you start putting all
Speaker 5: the pieces together. I'm like, man, we look good. You
Speaker 5: know we have the talent there. And then it's not
Speaker 5: really translating as you thought it would be. And then
Speaker 5: you're what we just said, you're watching what they currently
Speaker 5: are right now. Things are not really clicking, and you're
Speaker 5: still figure out what are they? Who are they? But
Speaker 5: you're still holding on to that belief that you know
Speaker 5: the talent that is there and so you can envision it.
Speaker 5: But then you go back and you're like, Okay, can
Speaker 5: they actually start piecing everything together making things click in
Speaker 5: this amount of time? Like how long is it going
Speaker 5: to take to get there? So I go through a
Speaker 5: roller coaster of all kinds of emotions of yes, holding
Speaker 5: on to hope, holding I see the talent they have
Speaker 5: it there. It just it just needs to finally click,
Speaker 5: and it will at some point. But how long is
Speaker 5: that going to take? And that's where I kind of
Speaker 5: just swift back and forth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a sense of urgency.
Speaker 6: Now.
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Speaker 3: This is a tabit. Let's continue on this conversation, guys,
Speaker 3: just let's let's switch gears to the defensive side of
Speaker 3: the ball. How do you feel like you got as
Speaker 3: a I guess coaching perspective for you both? How can you,
Speaker 3: I guess, help maintain the identity of this Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 3: decent defense. They've been so known for being aggressive and
Speaker 3: you know, pressuring the quarterback and getting turnovers and things
Speaker 3: like that. They got back to that last week, but
Speaker 3: we haven't seen that on a consistent basis. So so
Speaker 3: put your coaching hats on, coordinator hats on. I want
Speaker 3: to know y'all thoughts.
Speaker 1: I think this defense is improving. I truly do. I
Speaker 1: believe they're improving simply because of the fact they're being
Speaker 1: more effective and defending against the run. And shout out
Speaker 1: to Big Jonathan Hanken, shout out to OsO Di Gizua,
Speaker 1: shout out to d Law. Those guys have all stepped
Speaker 1: up to be influential in that regard, and because of that,
Speaker 1: they're able to start doing what they do best, and
Speaker 1: that's rushing the passer. What happened against the Chargers would
Speaker 1: not have had would not have happened hadn't been for
Speaker 1: the rush defense you're talking about. You shut down Eckler
Speaker 1: one of the most probably the most versatile running back
Speaker 1: in the league next to McCaffrey, who you faced the
Speaker 1: week before. He's the most versatile guy that right behind him,
Speaker 1: and you shut him down twenty seven yards, Like that's crazy,
Speaker 1: that's absolutely insane. That's obviously in the running game, and
Speaker 1: that's obviously getting a ball to him in a passing
Speaker 1: game as well. Marky's ability a good job of shutting
Speaker 1: that down. So these guys are doing a great job
Speaker 1: up front and negating the other teams number one threats
Speaker 1: in terms of running backs, and I think that's gonna
Speaker 1: pay dividends. Now dan Quinn's gonna have to continue to
Speaker 1: get in his bag because I think teams are starting
Speaker 1: to figure out how to defend or how to how
Speaker 1: to stop the pass rush. We started out at the
Speaker 1: top of the league in terms of sacks. Now we've
Speaker 1: fallen down to seventeenth, right in the middle of the
Speaker 1: pack for sacks, and with you know, average two point
Speaker 1: seven sacks per game. The reality is teams have loaded up,
Speaker 1: and this team has the personnel to get there, but
Speaker 1: they have to find a way to continue to remain
Speaker 1: impactful in that regard. Moving guys around stunts. I think
Speaker 1: that they've stopped doing as many stunts as they once
Speaker 1: were because of their intentionality of stopping the run. So
Speaker 1: when you were doing all those stunts, you were giving
Speaker 1: up big runs. You go back to the Arizona game,
Speaker 1: a lot of those big gaping holes were because they
Speaker 1: were stunning out of holes. Right, So when I'm stunning
Speaker 1: out of my hole, I'm going up there. I'm selling
Speaker 1: out for the sack. But I'm giving up literally one
Speaker 1: to two running holes for running backs to be able
Speaker 1: to run through. So if I don't want to do that,
Speaker 1: then guess what I have to defend the run now.
Speaker 1: And now I'm less, you know, less capable of getting
Speaker 1: to the quarterback. So something has to give. And I
Speaker 1: think that now they're more so resting assured, and hey,
Speaker 1: you just got to win your one on one matchups.
Speaker 1: And I'm not going to add as much scheme to
Speaker 1: the pass rush. There's more so just a matchup. Now,
Speaker 1: Hey Michael, beat that guy, Oaks will beat your guy.
Speaker 1: Like everybody, just head up, try to win. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to scheme you in position because it leaves us
Speaker 1: vulnerable in the running game.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well we know everything starts upfront, and how the
Speaker 5: defensive line goes affects everything else. I think, yeah, maybe
Speaker 5: their focus has kind of switched a little bit, a
Speaker 5: little bit into trying to stop the run, because we've
Speaker 5: seen it before. That was their one week Like, how
Speaker 5: do you say that weakest Uh? Their achilles achilles? What
Speaker 5: do you what was that saying? Yeah, I'm thinking in
Speaker 5: Spanish trying to translate here, but yeah, there their weakest area. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it was stopping the run, and they've managed to do
Speaker 5: that or improved at doing that. I think you do
Speaker 5: have enough guys up front where people that can get
Speaker 5: to the quarterback. I mean everybody you just mentioned on
Speaker 5: the line. There's so many guys up there that you
Speaker 5: can still I think, find a way to go back
Speaker 5: into creating so much more pressure and attacking the quarterback
Speaker 5: and getting those sacks. To me personally, I don't really,
Speaker 5: I don't. I'm better with knowing there's pressure rather than
Speaker 5: caring about sacks. You know, that to me is sex
Speaker 5: is you know, yeah, it's great when they're coming your way. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but at the same time, just pressuring the quarterback, because
Speaker 5: I think that does create the opportunities where this defense
Speaker 5: has been able to get their hands on the ball.
Speaker 5: You get their own blend intercepting and getting his hands
Speaker 5: on the ball. So I think it's just figuring out.
Speaker 5: But again you go back to injuries, it does affect
Speaker 5: the whole thing. Or like now you're having to use
Speaker 5: Mike a little bit more a linebacker that you weren't
Speaker 5: doing that as much before, and you kind of you
Speaker 5: know they're not gonna ever, I don't think put him
Speaker 5: just a linebacker. They're gonna using him to to create
Speaker 5: some pressure there. But even with him, a guy like him,
Speaker 5: you've seen in the past few weeks where teams have
Speaker 5: been able to kind of get hold of him, like
Speaker 5: handle him a little bit. But again you have other guys.
Speaker 5: That does create opportunities to allow other players to kind
Speaker 5: of get to the quarterback. So, uh, we'll see how
Speaker 5: how they keep trying to improve things. I trust dan
Speaker 5: Quinn very very much, And going back to what you
Speaker 5: were saying as of losing people and you're never having
Speaker 5: the same team or the same people around. That's one
Speaker 5: that's my guy, dan Quinn. I love him and it's
Speaker 5: been incredible the fact that two years in a row
Speaker 5: they've been able to keep him where when we didn't
Speaker 5: think that was gonna happen. Let once, let alone twice.
Speaker 5: So we'll see what, you know, what what his future
Speaker 5: looks like. But I think every year it does look hard.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 5: I don't want to speculate and get that far down
Speaker 5: the road, but yeah, we'll see what happens.
Speaker 3: We're gonna run through the position groups real quick. I
Speaker 3: want to see a rating. I think it's like Madden rating,
Speaker 3: but it's gonna be one through five five being the best.
Speaker 1: Is the best on the team or best in the league,
Speaker 1: like and the team on the team.
Speaker 3: Sorry, we're gonna start with let's start with QB. Let's
Speaker 3: just go with Dak Prescott first.
Speaker 1: Uh can we do pointsmostly?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: All right, I give Dak two point seven. Why I
Speaker 1: think he's doing a better job if it's some of
Speaker 1: his decision making. I still think that he can be
Speaker 1: more impactful in terms of making plays. I think you
Speaker 1: saw glimpses of that, but I think he has to
Speaker 1: be more consistent with that. Now. I can't sit here
Speaker 1: and tell him when to feel comfortable running the ball,
Speaker 1: or when to feel comfortable you know, making guys miss
Speaker 1: whatever it might be. You see some of that showing
Speaker 1: up more consistently, so I think it's it's starting. I
Speaker 1: think he's starting to get his spider senses back in
Speaker 1: that regard, But I still see him struggling to make
Speaker 1: good decisions as well so and a lot of the
Speaker 1: decisions that he's made bad choices on or against very
Speaker 1: simplistic looks, so that that kind of worries me at times.
Speaker 5: Uh, to me, I would say maybe like a three
Speaker 5: three point five maybe, But to me, I don't put
Speaker 5: it all on him. I think that Mike McCarthy, the
Speaker 5: way he's changing things, it just hasn't gone. It hasn't
Speaker 5: benefited Dak the way that maybe he was hoping to.
Speaker 5: I think there has been some clashing there where this
Speaker 5: new style offense is just not really working to who
Speaker 5: Dak has been as a player in his career so far.
Speaker 5: But I think they last week we started seeing some
Speaker 5: of that improvement of just letting him be a football player,
Speaker 5: like letting him be a quarterback and trust your instinct
Speaker 5: his instincts and letting loose and just play with your
Speaker 5: body reacting to things without overthinking everything. So again, I
Speaker 5: just I don't put it all on him. I think
Speaker 5: it's a combination of him being placed in a different scheme,
Speaker 5: scenario mold that he doesn't quite fit in just yet.
Speaker 3: Running back room. Who wants to do with that? Do
Speaker 3: you want to go first?
Speaker 5: Running back as a whole? I would give it well,
Speaker 5: I was gonna say three, but then thinking back to
Speaker 5: the stats that you brought up earlier, I mean, yeah, statistically,
Speaker 5: number wise, it does appear to be better than what
Speaker 5: my eyes see at times, So maybe we had a pointment.
Speaker 5: I would say three point five for them. They're and
Speaker 5: again not all in them. I think the old lines
Speaker 5: struggles there have affected the running game a whole lot,
Speaker 5: and that goes hand in hand. But I still believe
Speaker 5: you have a good running back group. I think they're
Speaker 5: they're capable, and Tony Pollard taking on that role, not
Speaker 5: that he can't, but he's taking out so much more
Speaker 5: workload than he's used to. You're asking so much more
Speaker 5: of him even blocking at times that he's required to
Speaker 5: do some of that. So I think, yeah, it's he's
Speaker 5: he's having to deal or take on a bigger charge
Speaker 5: than what he's used to, and maybe that that's the
Speaker 5: kind of reflection of what we see at times.
Speaker 1: I give him a four point two, you gave three
Speaker 1: point five. I think they're I think everything that you've
Speaker 1: asked them, they've been successful with it. Aside from you know,
Speaker 1: douce Van. I mean he's been throwing us some basket situations,
Speaker 1: but the rico's come in, he's been nothing but a
Speaker 1: hard hitting running back, falling forward every time he gets
Speaker 1: the ball. A lot of TP is doing a great job,
Speaker 1: but his average is high, just not getting as many
Speaker 1: touches a there are big splash plays that you would like,
Speaker 1: there's more so just kind of moving the change type place.
Speaker 1: So they'll continue to improve in terms of giving them
Speaker 1: more opportunities, but the opportunities that they have received, they've
Speaker 1: done great job with them.
Speaker 5: Receivers, Wait, what about you? You should throw in your skull.
Speaker 3: I'd give them probably a three point two. I'd say it. Oh,
Speaker 3: I would only say that just because kind of going
Speaker 3: back to Amber, I think that what they're doing statistically
Speaker 3: is good. But I just feel like we haven't really
Speaker 3: gotten that run game going, you know, we haven't really
Speaker 3: think that's them. I don't think it's on them. I
Speaker 3: think it's I don't want to I'm sorry. I think
Speaker 3: it's kind of the play calling just playing too conservative.
Speaker 3: I know that was kind of like the angle that
Speaker 3: McCarthy wanted, but I think it's a little too conservative.
Speaker 3: So I'd like them to I'd like them to get
Speaker 3: more touches Tony, especially Rico. We've seen what he's been
Speaker 3: able to do. Uh why are you laughing? Uh No,
Speaker 3: I mean I I just don't think that they've really
Speaker 3: gotten just guys going.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I think a conservative I think
Speaker 1: back the old school church, like you know, like the
Speaker 1: whare you're stocking you want to take stockings off? You know,
Speaker 1: they just show a little leg. You know, you show
Speaker 1: a little leg on offense.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, here you maybe yeah my open toe heels something.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I give him a three point two. I want to
Speaker 3: see more from them, a lot more, kind of like
Speaker 3: the receivers. I want to see a lot more with
Speaker 3: them too.
Speaker 1: It was the receivers for your scoring. There, come on
Speaker 1: you with your chest. You'll walk past one of them tomorrow.
Speaker 1: It's okay, you're right.
Speaker 3: With how I know they can be when we start.
Speaker 1: There, we're not going off for future?
Speaker 3: What is this okay? Right now? I would give them
Speaker 3: maybe like a three point seven. I say three point seven. Again,
Speaker 3: we haven't really seen much that we saw. Of course,
Speaker 3: CD have a big, big outing last weekend or the
Speaker 3: weekend before, so my days are all running together in
Speaker 3: week six. But I still want to see a lot
Speaker 3: from Brandon Cooks. I mean, I feel like I've said
Speaker 3: this a lot. You went out and got a guy
Speaker 3: who has speed, who can add to this roster, who's explosive,
Speaker 3: and he had multiple thousand yards yeah and four out
Speaker 3: his five other teams, and then he comes here and
Speaker 3: it's like one touchdown. I don't really like that. I
Speaker 3: want to see more from him. Yeah, Michael Gallup, I
Speaker 3: need to see him do better. Yeah, i'd say three
Speaker 3: point seven. Now what I know, I can't what they
Speaker 3: can be. That group can definitely be five. I think
Speaker 3: they could be a top receiver league.
Speaker 1: I give them a three point seven as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I bove them up three. I just want
Speaker 1: to see them create more separation on one on one matchups.
Speaker 1: I think teams are starting to try to take away
Speaker 1: the run, and I don't think teams are really threatened
Speaker 1: by DA's throwing ability right now because of the offensive scheme.
Speaker 1: So I think they're getting a lot more man to
Speaker 1: man that you ever anticipating, and then they haven't been
Speaker 1: creating a ton of separation there, so I think they
Speaker 1: need to improve upon that. But I think the majority
Speaker 1: of the opportunities that have come towards Cooks or CD
Speaker 1: have been on point gallup. You have to play within
Speaker 1: what he's able to do.
Speaker 5: You guys are very generous. I feel maybe critic that's
Speaker 5: hard love. I was thinking more of a two oh yes, yes,
Speaker 5: I know I know when I was not expecting you
Speaker 5: to say that they have been okay by my initial
Speaker 5: evaluation of what I thought they would be. They have
Speaker 5: been absolutely terrible, but not by their own doing. I
Speaker 5: think it's more of the change of offense and okay,
Speaker 5: we're talking about I'm not saying it's for the players.
Speaker 5: I think this is the results of the result of it.
Speaker 5: If you have to rate what they're given as a result,
Speaker 5: the result is what it is. So I'm not putting
Speaker 5: it on them because I still think they are so talented.
Speaker 5: You have a lot of really good guys at the
Speaker 5: wide receiver group, and there are a lot of times
Speaker 5: that you see them open, like Brandon Cooks. Open is
Speaker 5: the ball getting to him.
Speaker 1: No, So it's it's more of like you ran into
Speaker 1: that same problem last year with a late season acquisition.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but the yeah, yeah. Anyways, the point is I'm
Speaker 5: not holding up holding it against the actual talent is
Speaker 5: more of I would say, the play call and the
Speaker 5: how you're scheming things for them. I think that that's
Speaker 5: a perfect example Ceedee Lamb when we saw it a
Speaker 5: couple of weeks ago or three weeks ago, when him
Speaker 5: being upset and getting mad in a game. That's something
Speaker 5: we haven't seen him do ever. That was the first
Speaker 5: time I ever saw him actually be upset on the sideline,
Speaker 5: and I think it's it's a build up of things
Speaker 5: not going his way, and then what happened the next week,
Speaker 5: they work together, they improved things and he was able
Speaker 5: to be pretty impactful. Not at the I would have
Speaker 5: wanted to see more of him instead of then forcing
Speaker 5: the ball to Michael Gallup. But I think the talent
Speaker 5: is there, they're just not being schemed the right way.
Speaker 1: So you mean like when Ceedee Lamb spoke up the
Speaker 1: next game, he got the ball early and often kind
Speaker 1: of like a Marii Cooper. When he spoke up, he
Speaker 1: got the ball early. I'm just saying commonalities, that's.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, let's continue. I think we wrapped up
Speaker 3: at receivers. Let's go to offensive line. Who wants to
Speaker 3: go first?
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Speaker 1: y'all can't. Uh okay, so old line, I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: a two point three. Two point three. They have not
Speaker 1: been good. They have not. I mean ever since you
Speaker 1: got the year five starting linement back, they have not.
Speaker 1: They're not as cohesive as they want to be right now.
Speaker 1: They will get there, I believe, as long as everybody
Speaker 1: can remain healthy, they'll continue to improve. Right now, it's
Speaker 1: just not good.
Speaker 3: But that's not that's not.
Speaker 1: No, no, it's on them. It's on them. They're not they're
Speaker 1: not blocking very well. They're not that's getting a lot
Speaker 1: of pressure in his face. They're not passing off responsibilities
Speaker 1: very well. They don't have gap integrity, they're not staying
Speaker 1: conjoined at the hill. There's a lot of things like
Speaker 1: there's just they're not they're not one unit yet. There
Speaker 1: are five guys that are good individually, but they're not
Speaker 1: a unit yet. So until they become a unit, they
Speaker 1: got they're at two point two.
Speaker 3: Well, that's what I kind of was leaning towards and
Speaker 3: why it's not on them because I mean, they haven't
Speaker 3: played much together.
Speaker 1: But I'm hearing No, I'm not hearing that now they
Speaker 1: have to figure it out.
Speaker 5: I'm not hearing that you said last week you talked
Speaker 5: about them practicing together, being cohesive.
Speaker 1: They've been since camp, just played by players. They've been
Speaker 1: notice I mean, like they have to figure that the
Speaker 1: stuff that they're facing is not like crazy, it's you
Speaker 1: still have to be impactful and effective with it right.
Speaker 1: You have to handle your assignment. But like it's not
Speaker 1: like who's a coordinator for Buffalo back in the day.
Speaker 1: I can't remember his name. Anyways, there's not facing defense
Speaker 1: that are just coming out with some stuff out the wazoo,
Speaker 1: like this is normal stuff. The Chargers probably presented them
Speaker 1: the craziest looks in terms of pressures. In terms of
Speaker 1: their techniques, they had guys way outside the tackle box
Speaker 1: running stunts. That is difficult in terms of being able
Speaker 1: to stay with your integrity in terms of where you
Speaker 1: should be and making guys come to you. But other
Speaker 1: than that, they just haven't been awesome and they haven't
Speaker 1: been dominant in the running game in terms of moving
Speaker 1: people off the ball, And I think that's more worrisome
Speaker 1: than anything that's getting pressure way too often on three
Speaker 1: step drops right or shotgun catch and throws. That's not
Speaker 1: supposed to be that. The whole purpose of having this
Speaker 1: West Coast offense is so that your quarterback isn't facing pressure.
Speaker 1: He can make quick decisions. And then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you're still running that offense and you're still getting pressure.
Speaker 1: So something has to give.
Speaker 5: Yeah, to me, I would say maybe had two for them.
Speaker 5: I think they definitely have been struggling with injuries every
Speaker 5: single player to start off the season, when you had
Speaker 5: to rely on some of your backups. To my Dooga
Speaker 5: at the time was doing really well for given the circumstances,
Speaker 5: so you thought, okay, we're having to play a little
Speaker 5: musical chair here. But they're kind they seem to be
Speaker 5: holding up or being able to do enough. Like the
Speaker 5: first game Arizona. You didn't lose that game because of
Speaker 5: your O line, you know, so they were kind of
Speaker 5: holding it up there. Now you get all your starters back,
Speaker 5: and yes, I absolutely get the argument where you have
Speaker 5: to all be one unit, be cohesive, practice together. Everyone
Speaker 5: needs to be in sync and know exactly like okay,
Speaker 5: I know exactly what this guy on my right is
Speaker 5: gonna do, so I don't have to worry about that.
Speaker 5: Let me focus on this and vice versa. But at
Speaker 5: the same time, individually, I've seen it during games they
Speaker 5: do get beat one on one guys that are veterans,
Speaker 5: guys that you expect a lot more out of them
Speaker 5: because you've seen it. So it's just it's weird, Like
Speaker 5: that's the whole thing that has been very weird to me.
Speaker 5: When you know what this guy is capable or a
Speaker 5: lot of these guys, but then you see them getting
Speaker 5: beat one on one, and that's where I go back to, Okay,
Speaker 5: maybe the whole injury situation, it's affecting them a lot
Speaker 5: more than you think. And that's the only thing I
Speaker 5: can just trying to slam it.
Speaker 1: Dogs. They're facing some dudes, now, I mean they've these
Speaker 1: defensive fronts that they've played against in the first part
Speaker 1: of the season have not been easy. I mean, you
Speaker 1: face some of the best guys in the league. You
Speaker 1: face arguably the best one of the best defensive ends
Speaker 1: top three at least Hams done.
Speaker 5: That's the whole combination goes. You're facing someone that's really
Speaker 5: good and you're hurt too, Daniel, I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Khalil Mack had his way against Tyrone Smith.
Speaker 1: I mean he's but he's also had six acts, I
Speaker 1: mean five sacks in a game. So, I mean, you're
Speaker 1: talking about somebody who's one of the top pass rushers
Speaker 1: in most recent history. You're talking about Bosa, not not
Speaker 1: Joey but Nick Bosa, who's one of the best pass
Speaker 1: rushers in the game. Today. You're about to go up against,
Speaker 1: you know, the best defensive linement in football this coming week.
Speaker 1: The following week, you're about to go against the best
Speaker 1: defensive line in football, you know. So, I mean like
Speaker 1: you got your hands full. You have your hands full.
Speaker 1: But to that point you have to figure it out
Speaker 1: because it doesn't get easier. So we can't sit up
Speaker 1: here and make excuses about something that's going to increasingly
Speaker 1: get more difficult.
Speaker 3: Yeah all right, well we technically went over. But yeah,
Speaker 3: let's just real quick. Throw out our ratings for the
Speaker 3: last three positions. Defensive line go.
Speaker 1: Four.
Speaker 5: Oh that's what I was thinking too, Yeah, four four
Speaker 5: point three?
Speaker 3: All right? Linebacker room two seven? Oh wow, I say
Speaker 3: three too.
Speaker 5: I was thinking more like three.
Speaker 3: Around there, we round up safeties.
Speaker 1: Safeties. Honestly, I haven't paid enough attention to make to
Speaker 1: make that judgment. I really haven't. I apologize people.
Speaker 3: I get the safeties. I say three three eight, the A.
Speaker 5: Three eight have a little bump from what you're a
Speaker 5: going to say, Yeah, I think around three. I mean,
Speaker 5: there are times where a corner needs some help, some
Speaker 5: backup and they're not where's your safety. There are times
Speaker 5: where guys wide open and gets into the edd zone.
Speaker 5: Where's your safety? So yeah, it's just kind of been. Uh,
Speaker 5: it hasn't been as good as I thought it was
Speaker 5: gonna be.
Speaker 1: To start off corners corners, I'm gonna go ahead and
Speaker 1: give them a four or like a four to four.
Speaker 1: I feel good about the corners right now. They've done
Speaker 1: a heck of a job, especially in the absence of
Speaker 1: the of their lead dog.
Speaker 5: I would say, yeah, like around four point two, four
Speaker 5: point three, or they've done a nice job. Is just
Speaker 5: again they have taken a hit with the absence of
Speaker 5: Trebon Diggs.
Speaker 3: Special teams, Oh fresh team has been money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, money. Brandon Brandon Aubert's you know, he's two two
Speaker 1: more field goals consecutive field goals away from setting the
Speaker 1: record or a tying the record for most consecutive kicks
Speaker 1: for somebody in their first year. He's killing it. Great
Speaker 1: pickup front office. I didn't I had no faith in you,
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