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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal hull.

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Speaker 2: That for me. I'm a man, I'm forty.

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Speaker 1: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 1: be happy.

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Speaker 2: You want to be happy for a day?

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Speaker 1: Edo state?

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Speaker 2: Is that? Whoo whoom?

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Speaker 1: And Dan and tie.

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Speaker 2: Dan Rubinstein, welcome back, my good friend. Yes, how you

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Speaker 2: doing today? How was your trip?

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Speaker 1: Good trip? Good trip. Got a little bit of rain

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Speaker 1: out on the West Coast, but otherwise really fun. Saw

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Speaker 1: a bunch of people I enjoy and got some outside time.

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Speaker 1: Cannot complain. Always good to get to the West coast. Ty,

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Speaker 1: how are you doing?

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Speaker 2: I'm good, I'm good. How is the weather out there

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Speaker 2: compared to Chicago right now?

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Speaker 1: Chicago's actually kind of nice right now. It's weirdly nice.

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Speaker 1: It's like fifties, almost sixty degrees right now, So that's

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Speaker 1: unseasonably wrong.

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Speaker 2: Fixed. Man.

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Speaker 1: The report I got back from Jody with and I

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Speaker 1: who hung back out here was saw somebody with the

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Speaker 1: convertible down, people went to the beach okay, and that

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Speaker 1: there were at least two dads in either sleeveless shirts

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Speaker 2: Absolutely have to. Yeah, it was like forty two degrees

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Speaker 2: here tropical I was out no coat, don't need it.

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Speaker 1: Of course, it's been a really.

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Speaker 2: Cold winter in our respective locations. A break is much needed.

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Speaker 2: But with that being said, enough of the weather. Let's

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Speaker 1: Dan is back. I am tie.

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Speaker 2: keep the lights on for the podcast. On today's episode,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna gow what's been happening in around the world

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Speaker 2: of college football. There's not a lot of news, but

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Speaker 2: there is some stuff that I think you and I

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Speaker 2: want to cover. And then we've been putting it off

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Speaker 2: for a little bit now. But before we close the

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Speaker 2: book on this year, episode in this week really gonna

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Speaker 2: do some first year coach grades. Some coaches that took

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Speaker 2: you and I are going to score them accordingly.

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Speaker 1: Of course, it's not going to.

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Speaker 1: It's very scientific. We're gonna take a look at these

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Speaker 2: Let's talk through some of that news, shall we. Let's

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Speaker 2: it's not breaking but we've got another team joining FBS.

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Speaker 2: It feels like they're growing on trees these days. Can't

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Speaker 2: This reads a little bit like its FIFA with all

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Speaker 2: these hidden fees, but I continue. They are accepting zero

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Speaker 2: Dan Rubinson. All of this just to get into FBS

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Speaker 2: and be part of the MAC. Quote from Ross. It

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Speaker 2: a question why the quote. It's putting the university on

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Speaker 2: out at sack State. That is a lot of potatoes.

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Speaker 2: be part of the MAC, Dan Rubinstein, So we've talked

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Speaker 2: By all accounts, this does not appear to be a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess the economics are such that this is

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Speaker 1: a We've proven everything we can at this level. We

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Speaker 1: It's not that it is sax State coming up with

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Speaker 2: We do have a looming ball sack matchup between Ball

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Speaker 1: It is skataboo ish. But yes, Cam Scataboo did start

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Speaker 2: five years in FBS would produce approximately nine hundred and

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Speaker 1: When a team, when a team in the NCAA tournament

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Speaker 1: That's that's an ambitious reading of the potential of a

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Speaker 2: The thing that gets me, though, is the travel expenses

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Speaker 2: that they're paying everybody else's travel expenses, and the movie

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Speaker 1: we've enjoyed games like you know, LSU and Oregon and

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Speaker 1: Alabama and Wisconsin and Georgia played Oregon. You know, there's

438
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Speaker 1: been a lot of these types of games, whether they're

439
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Speaker 1: neutral site or home and home. It'd be sad to

440
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Speaker 1: lose it. It'd be a little bit weird to lose

441
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Speaker 1: it considering all of these teams, not just SEC teams,

442
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Speaker 1: have decided, oh, we're TV sellouts. Now, we're going to

443
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Speaker 1: do everything we can to make TV happy with us,

444
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Speaker 1: and then they're going to start canceling these TV games,

445
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Speaker 1: whether they're home and home or whether they're neutral site games.

446
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 1: It runs sort of counter to it. But I guess

447
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 1: the biggest programs are able to dictate in a way

448
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Speaker 1: that some other programs aren't. So once again, it's all

449
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 1: sort of sad to me. I don't think we should

450
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Speaker 1: look at Alabama as like weaken scared. I just think

451
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: we're looking at the SEC as like a what is

452
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Speaker 1: the best thing for our bottom line and what is

453
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Speaker 1: the best thing for our positioning And if we don't

454
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Speaker 1: have as many teams as we believe have earned the

455
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Speaker 1: right to be in the postseason, then we look at

456
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Speaker 1: this as a failure. So it's much more about, you know,

457
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: the goal of participation rather than winning. And so I

458
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Speaker 1: guess they're looking for the ultimate participation trophy getting into

459
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Speaker 1: the college football Playoff. They want to participate above all.

460
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Speaker 2: Else time, right, I mean, I get it, you have

461
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Speaker 2: to get you you understand the logic behind it. Sure

462
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Speaker 2: as a fan, I'm not going to act like I'm

463
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Speaker 2: crazy about it.

464
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Speaker 1: Yeah, But then guess what happens in September. Lane Kiffen

465
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Speaker 1: or Nick Saban or whoever starts complaining that people aren't

466
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Speaker 1: showing up for their games and that the students aren't

467
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Speaker 1: showing up for the games because they're scheduling way way

468
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Speaker 1: down often. So what's it going to be I don't know.

469
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Speaker 1: That's that's the question to me, what's the priority here?

470
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Speaker 1: And so you'll have SEC fans complaining about schools like Indiana.

471
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Speaker 1: You'll have people like Ohio State fans saying Alabama's running scared,

472
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Speaker 1: and I don't know. I once again think the losers

473
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Speaker 1: here are people who just enjoy college.

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Speaker 2: Just enjoy just want to watch a game in like

475
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Speaker 2: Week two, you know, when it's sunny out and you

476
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Speaker 2: can watch the game on an iPad at a picnic

477
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Speaker 2: table or you know. Those are the fans of the losers.

478
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Speaker 2: The fans want to see these high profile matchups early.

479
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 2: I think it's a big part of why college football

480
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Speaker 2: is special. That early part of the season in September,

481
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Speaker 2: when you have some of these really high profile matches.

482
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Speaker 2: Doesn't say they're all going away, But yeah, I don't

483
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Speaker 2: as a fan, speaking only as a fan, not from

484
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Speaker 2: the perspective of the SEC or the Big Ten or

485
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Speaker 2: Notre Dame or any like anybody, just as a fan,

486
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 2: I want to see more of these games. And it

487
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 2: doesn't do a whole lot to dispel the narrative that

488
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Speaker 2: the postseason isn't hurting the regular season. Correct Now, this

489
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 2: is one of the ways where I think we've been

490
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Speaker 2: waiting to see what's the impact going to be.

491
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Speaker 1: How will teams react?

492
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Speaker 2: Will there be you know, an immediate and swift reaction

493
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 2: to try and make it easier to get into the playoff.

494
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 2: This kind of supports that line of thinking.

495
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, I'm okay with anybody getting creative with scheduling.

496
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Speaker 1: If you want all of the Power Conference Power Conference

497
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Speaker 1: teams to play eight conference games, but have mandatory two

498
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Speaker 1: power for teams decided in a lottery system or in

499
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Speaker 1: a tiered system where like, okay, you've been to a

500
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Speaker 1: bowl game or the playoff, and however many times like

501
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 1: you can only draw from like these thirty teams in

502
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Speaker 1: the lottery. Let's get creative with it. Fine, but like

503
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Speaker 1: the idea of pulling out of these match up scheduling

504
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: these cool matchups, you're also hurting fans, Like an Alabama

505
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 1: fan was like, I cannot wait to go to Columbus.

506
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: That's a bucket list, you know, go to the Shoe

507
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: and see a huge game like that, and vice versa.

508
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 1: You're hurting those fans. It's just it's sort of sad

509
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: that you know, you and your ilk tie your expansionist ilk.

510
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 1: Another victim to the the expansionist virus of college football. Well,

511
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: let's put it this way.

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Speaker 2: If you want to get creative with scheduling, maybe even

513
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Speaker 2: with the money, I'm here to tell you that the

514
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 2: First National Bank of Sacramento State.

515
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Speaker 1: Is willing to hear your proposal. It's true, they are

516
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 1: willing to hear your proposal.

517
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, why don't we leave it there right in selverbogmail

518
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Speaker 2: dot com. I don't know why I'm yelling no, that's okay,

519
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 2: you're worked up. It's going to be back with you.

520
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 2: Let's talk some first year coach grades, shall we, Lats.

521
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 2: It's a shame that we have to do this.

522
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: It's really despicable.

523
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 2: So full disclosure. As we were going through some technical

524
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 2: problems here before we hip go, I was paging through

525
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 2: my little iPad with all the sounds on it, and

526
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 2: I found I don't know when this was. This is

527
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 2: when Jimbo Fisher was still coaching at Texas A and M,

528
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 2: when he had some sort of beef maybe with Nick Saban,

529
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 2: I want to say. And we pulled all the sounds

530
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 2: and I still have one on one of my pains

531
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Speaker 2: here on the board and so, yeah, it's a shame

532
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 2: we got to do this, but we got to do this.

533
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 2: We had a handful of first year coaches in twenty

534
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Speaker 2: twenty five, not as many as we're going to have

535
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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty six, mind you, because it was a

536
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 2: very active cycle, but twenty twenty five bit of a

537
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 2: down cycle. You and I have taken some time now

538
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 2: to go through look at the receipts and put together

539
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Speaker 2: some grades on the coaches that had an opportunity to

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Speaker 2: jump to new teams in twenty twenty five, those being

541
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Speaker 2: North Carolina, Wake, Forest, West Virginia, Purdue. We include Stanford

542
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 2: here because we have to. And you sef was that

543
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 2: six teams? Yeah, six teams, and we could talk about

544
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Speaker 2: more if you want.

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Speaker 1: Those weren't theys. I definitely have thoughts on more.

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00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, those weren't the only teams in FBS that

547
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 2: had new coaches, and we have some scattered thoughts on

548
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 2: all of them. But again, remind the find folks what

549
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 2: our grading scale is going to look like here for

550
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 2: this thought experiment.

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Speaker 1: After year one, can we conclude that this coach is

552
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Speaker 1: going to be a problem, this program is going to

553
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,239
Speaker 1: be a problem. Under this coach for other teams in

554
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: the conference, out of the conference, whatever that like. As

555
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: an example, will Scott Frost let UCF be a problem

556
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Speaker 1: for the Big twelve moving forward? And by problem I

557
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: mean at the very least like an annoying Bowl team.

558
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 2: Okay, so a problem for others or a problem for themselves?

559
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: Correct, exactly right? Will Scott Frost be a problem for

560
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: UCF fans watching their team wanting their team to succeed?

561
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: Or will UCF under Scott Frost be a problem for

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Speaker 1: the Big twelve, meaning at the very least UCF is

563
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Speaker 1: going to be a perennially annoying Bowl plus team.

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Speaker 2: Well, since you mentioned UCF, Dan, UCF was five and

565
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 2: seven last year, two and seven in conference. Their wins

566
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 2: came against Jacksonville State, North Carolina, A and T. They

567
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 2: knocked off North Carolina, who we will talk about here shortly. Yep,

568
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 2: West Virginia, who we will also talk about here rather shortly,

569
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Speaker 2: and Oklahoma State won that one seventeen fourteen, second to

570
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 2: last game of the season. I put in some time

571
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 2: trying to get a feel for where the fans sentiment

572
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 2: is at, and as best I can tell, I am

573
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 2: picking up distinct notes of cautious optimism here with UCF. Okay,

574
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 2: because a lot of people expected a rebuild year last season,

575
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 2: they largely got one. The win over North Carolina, the

576
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 2: blowout over West Virginia, those to me represented the highlight

577
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 2: moments that fans of UCF would probably point to. The

578
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 2: Other thing that I would add is that there was

579
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 2: a real cultural shift going from Gus Melzon to now

580
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 2: Scott Frost. So there are definitely changes of foot that

581
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 2: I think fans can see and feel and touch and

582
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 2: hear about if they listen to podcasts like this one.

583
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 2: But going five and seven missing a bowl game, that

584
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 2: has to be somewhat disappointing for a fan base that

585
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 2: remembers a thirteen to oh season not all that long ago.

586
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 2: So for my money, as somebody who was a little

587
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 2: bit higher than I expected to be on UCF when

588
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 2: we did our previews last year, this to me feels

589
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 2: like there was some meat on the bone, but by

590
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Speaker 2: and large it wasn't too big a swing in either direction.

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00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 2: This is like kind of the best case scenario in

592
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 2: my opinion. The bigger concern now moving forward is what

593
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 2: it's Scott Frost to learn from that Nebraska experience, and

594
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 2: are we going to see more of that now at UCF.

595
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 2: Because the first trip to UCF was great, right, the

596
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 2: undisputed national champions thirteen rounds. But Scott Frost has had

597
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 2: a bit of a journey since then, and the failures

598
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 2: at Nebraska are I think a pretty big blinking red light.

599
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 2: Will he repeat any of those failures? Most fans, again,

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Speaker 2: as best I can tell, and I think they're right

601
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 2: in this, they're giving him benefit of the doubt. Given

602
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 2: year one in the context around it, it was just

603
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 2: a huge overhaul. But now in year two they got

604
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 2: to show some clear improvement on offense. They got to

605
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Speaker 2: get to six wins. I think that's where I would

606
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,239
Speaker 2: be if I were a fan, And that's mostly what

607
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Speaker 2: I am picking up as I read the room here

608
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 2: a little bit. With UCF.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to say, you see under Scott Frost is

610
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Speaker 1: closer to being a problem for others than a problem

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Speaker 1: for themselves. And the reason for that is if year

612
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: one was and they they do lose a lot of

613
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: key players to the portal, and that's to be expected

614
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: after year one of a coach. Players give a coach

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00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: time and they decide you know what, I think it's

616
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: not for me anymore. I'm gonna go elsewhere. Bringing a

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00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: Lonz of Barnett is a positive thing to me play quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I love that.

619
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Speaker 1: And I think the main reason is I don't think

620
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Speaker 1: the bar to clear in the Big twelve to be

621
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Speaker 1: a seven and five type team that can do at

622
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,919
Speaker 1: least all thing really well. Play defense really well, rush

623
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Speaker 1: the passer really well, you know, generate explosive plays on

624
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 1: offense really well. I don't think it's a crazy bar

625
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: to clear. Especially Kansas State is starting over, Iowa State

626
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: is starting over. We don't know how sustainable what's going

627
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: to happen in Tucson is going to be with Brent Brennan.

628
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Speaker 1: You know, one disastrous year, one really impressive year. We

629
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Speaker 1: don't know where this goes from here. ASU new starting quarterback,

630
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: new stuff at ASU. We'll see. I mean, I think

631
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,879
Speaker 1: a lot of us are pretty you know, bullish on AS.

632
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: I always have to remember which one it is bullish

633
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: on ASU moving forward. And I don't think anybody really

634
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: thinks that UCF can do enough to build up this

635
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: roster to compete with perhaps the top of this conference.

636
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:23,240
Speaker 1: But I think the bar to clear. If the defensive

637
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,280
Speaker 1: progress continues, it's under Alex Grinch.

638
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 2: It will see, we'll see tbds.

639
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: We'll see. I think the roster building should be good

640
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: enough to the point where they can sustainably go to

641
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: bowls and do something really, really well, which qualifies them

642
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: as Bowl plus annoying.

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Speaker 2: I completely agree, Okay, I completely agree. As I look

644
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 2: at this roster, I think they'll be much improved at quarterback,

645
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 2: at running back, wide receiver, on the defensive line. It

646
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 2: looks to me like there is at least something of

647
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 2: a strategy here. And if he takes Scott Frost at

648
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:02,959
Speaker 2: his word, he didn't want to leave the first time,

649
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 2: you know, sure it was a mistake to leave. He

650
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 2: likes it here, but.

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00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: It also doesn't mean that it's pick up where he

652
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: left off. No, a different conference, different roster, Milton was involved.

653
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: It's apples and oranges. It is not the same. But

654
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: back to your point about a Lonza Barnett. So Lonza

655
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: Barnett transfers in from JMU, had a good year with JMU,

656
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: and he figures to be sort of the centerpiece now

657
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: of the offense that they're building. In twenty six, all

658
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: four quarterbacks who played in more than one game in

659
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five transferred out yeah for UCF, So this

660
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,720
Speaker 1: is kind of a clean slate. It's a Lonza Barnett,

661
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: it's key One Jenkins who comes over from FIU. He

662
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: figures to be the backup now. But the other thing

663
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: that I think I take some stock in is the

664
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: fact that if you look at what he did in

665
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: the portal, it looks like they're deliberately targeting older, more

666
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: experienced players who have more proven production, maybe a little

667
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 1: bit lower on the NIL spectrum, rather than going after

668
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: some of the star power we have seen this work.

669
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: By the way, I'm not going to even use.

670
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,439
Speaker 2: Indiana as the example, but I'll hold up Houston as

671
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 2: sort of an example of this. I talked about the

672
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 2: Willie Fritz strategy in NIL last year, and this is

673
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 2: not not that.

674
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: It just feels a lot like.

675
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 2: They're going after guys that they know what they're going

676
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 2: to get out of them. They're not taking a huge

677
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 2: risk and not rolling the dice here. They're going after

678
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 2: guys that they think will give them production. I tend

679
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 2: to agree there is a lot just in looking at

680
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 2: this schedule right now, there's a lot of like big

681
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 2: old shrugs on the schedule doesn't look easy to me

682
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 2: in terms of a Big twelve schedule, But it also

683
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 2: doesn't look like it is going to have a ridiculous

684
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 2: go on go on that they need to worry about.

685
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 2: So I tend to agree with you. I think if

686
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 2: what I am seeing right now is accurate, and if

687
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 2: the feeling that the gunneral feeling that I get in

688
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 2: the pit of my stomach is accurate.

689
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: But that's also looking forward, also looking forward, if you're

690
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: to look backwards. The other way to read this is

691
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: they beat three bad teams in terms of their FBS wins,

692
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 1: and they were only competitive, truly competitive against one of

693
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: the decent teams that they played, and I've been sure

694
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: than Houston. So that's year one that's dealing with a

695
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: lot of turnover everywhere, and it's always going to be

696
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: a little bit chaotic. But I don't know, if you

697
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: weigh the roster moves and you weigh the sort of

698
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: squint and you can see a little bit six of

699
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,479
Speaker 1: success in twenty twenty five, I would say it's likelier

700
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: that there are problems I'm with doing themselves. I'm in

701
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,760
Speaker 1: agreement there let's go to North Carolina and Bill belichice. Yeah,

702
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: four and eight and year one they didn't win a game.

703
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,720
Speaker 2: Were they two and six or something in conference? Whatever

704
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 2: it was.

705
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: Yep.

706
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 2: How do we think fans feel about this?

707
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: I think fans are still holding out hope. North Carolina fans.

708
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: They took a step back from where they were after

709
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: firing mac Brown. The team got worse on offense and

710
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 1: defense than they were in twenty twenty four under mac Brown.

711
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: And obviously there was going to be a time to

712
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: adjust to Bill Belichick and his coaches and the players

713
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: that he brought in and the you know, the GM

714
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: and front office people that he brought in. As once again,

715
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: this is the thirty third NFL team? Is that? What

716
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: that was the positioning? Ye thirty, They at their ceiling

717
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: could have gone seven and five, right if they won

718
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: a couple of those close games it was against Virginia

719
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 1: and Cal I want to say so at their ceiling,

720
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 1: they're getting to seven and five if some of those

721
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 1: close wins, close losses, excuse me, had been close wins,

722
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: and that happened in October and and Duke, by the way,

723
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: so that gets them to seven and five. Those yeah,

724
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 1: I have.

725
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 2: I have a couple of games highlighted here. It's the

726
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 2: Cow game, the Virginia game, and the Duke game. We're

727
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,760
Speaker 2: all one score affairs, you know, everything goes in their favor.

728
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 2: That seven wins if just two of them go in

729
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 2: their favorite, they're playing in a bowl game. So they

730
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 2: weren't super far off just in terms of results. I

731
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 2: think if we are looking at numbers behind the scenes,

732
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 2: not necessarily that top line score, but some of the

733
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 2: stuff underneath is a little bit more concerning. But at

734
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,720
Speaker 2: least the results weren't so far afield that they weren't,

735
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 2: you know, competitive in the second half of the season.

736
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: The concerning thing is, well, the singular concerning thing from

737
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: the season was the offense that you know, there were

738
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: stories about the guys they did bring in, and you know,

739
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: coaches being surprised that they weren't in on bigger names,

740
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: considering they had the biggest head coaching name in the

741
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: carousel in Bill Belichick, that they weren't able to sway

742
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: anybody really on offense. That was a huge, huge name

743
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: from the portal. But you know, it's limited time. They

744
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: immediately make a move. Bill Belichick fires his offensive coordinator

745
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: in Freddy Kitchens, which I look as a positive thing

746
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: that they recognize that's the right move, recognized that the

747
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: offense was not heading in an acceptable enough direction and

748
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: they needed to go to my notes, say Bobby Petrino.

749
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: Bobby Petrino is what's in my notes here. It was accurate, yes,

750
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: and he is a very skilled offensive mind, if nothing else,

751
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:22,399
Speaker 1: skilled offensive mind. Billy Edwards is the quarterback to lead

752
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:27,240
Speaker 1: the way it seems moving forward. The thing that also

753
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: distresses me about feeling good about North Carolina as a

754
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: problem for the ACC is they followed up an underwhelming

755
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: portal season with kind of an underwhelming portal season. This

756
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: wasn't a okay, we realized our shortcomings in terms of

757
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: identifying and going after talent and convincing people to open

758
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: up their wallets to you know, help support the portaling efforts.

759
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 1: There's not a lot there. It's a lot of guys

760
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: who couldn't really crack rotations at big places. It's a

761
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: lot of perhaps counting on players from smaller places that

762
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: haven't played against bigger competition. And that doesn't necessarily mean

763
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: it's a bad thing, but it's a risk all the

764
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: same that they weren't in on guys like places that

765
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: have decided that they need to be all in financially

766
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: in the portal. They were not in those conversations. And

767
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: so you still wonder, what can North Carolina do with

768
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: this roster? As good as Bill Belichick has been as

769
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 1: a coach in his career, like you're asking him to

770
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: do something with this roster and winning, you know what

771
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: would be an acceptable improvement this year eight nine games

772
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: or whatever. It just doesn't seem like the rosters there,

773
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: that the efforts are there, and you're paying him like

774
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 1: a playoff coach. So I'm going to say he is

775
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: appearing to be more of a I'm not getting into

776
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: the Jordan Hudson stuff or anything. He is looking like

777
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: more of a problem for North Carolina right now than

778
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: vice versa.

779
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 2: The quarterback room, to me, is fascinating. It is fascinating.

780
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 2: I don't know if either of us is all that's

781
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:09,399
Speaker 2: sold in. Billy Edwards junior, Billy Edwards hurt early, yeah,

782
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 2: I got hurt, was never really a factor for Wisconsin.

783
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 2: Comes over now at least gives them some veteran leadership.

784
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 2: I am curious to see if for some reason he

785
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 2: is not the guy or if he gets hurt again.

786
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 2: Curious to see what Tarn Dickens looks like. The transfer

787
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 2: that they bring over from Western Carolina, who is smaller,

788
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 2: is five to eleven point eighty but through for thirty

789
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 2: five hundred yards and thirty eight touchdowns a year ago,

790
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,280
Speaker 2: also ran for close to four hundred yards, So that's.

791
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 1: A guy that they bring over the over.

792
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 2: They also got Travis Burgess, who's the four star recruit,

793
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 2: who's six', five a shade over two hundred, pounds a

794
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 2: tall glass of, Water so they got some options. THERE

795
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 2: i don't know IF i feel great about any of,

796
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 2: them BUT i think there's reason for. Intrigue the thing

797
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 2: THAT i kept coming back, to, though WHEN i think

798
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 2: About North, carolina WHEN i look back On, CAROLINA i

799
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 2: am still hung up on the contrast that we saw

800
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 2: between the very first drive of the season and the

801
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 2: rest of the. Season sure do you remember?

802
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: That of, course, well nobody knew what to, expect so, YEAH.

803
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 2: I, mean one drive in you Got Skip bayless talking

804
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 2: About Bill belichick being the greatest coach in the history

805
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 2: of all, coaches and then.

806
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: Forty eight to.

807
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 2: Fourteen was at the final In week, one that was

808
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 2: the most watched game In week. One you know. THAT

809
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 2: i believe IT Tcu North carolina game for obvious. Reasons so,

810
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 2: sure it was a very tumultuous go if you are

811
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 2: A North carolina, fan you start off with the first

812
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 2: drive of the. Season at some point midway through the,

813
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 2: YEAR i remember doing a radio interview AND i talked

814
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 2: about this on the show where it looked for a hot,

815
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 2: minute there was like a seventy two hour stretch where

816
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 2: it looked like they were going to Fire Bill belichick mid.

817
00:44:55,719 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 1: Season right there were weird stories being, flowing weird stuff.

818
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 2: Going On news of The. Weird so, yeah year one

819
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 2: was always going to be. TUMULTUOUS i don't know if

820
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 2: we could have predicted just how. Tumultuous but they had

821
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 2: seventy new, players which is a, lot and a coach

822
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 2: who had never coached in college before and had been

823
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 2: off for a little bit and was looking to jump back.

824
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 2: In SO I i think the recruiting class that they,

825
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 2: had which was, NINETEENTH i want to say in terms

826
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 2: of high school, RECRUITING i think you combine that with the,

827
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 2: portal they're going to have sixty new players this. YEAR

828
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 2: i think that buys him at least a little bit more.

829
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 2: Goodwill oh, YEAH i mean he's under. Contract he's under.

830
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 2: Contract they're not going to fire, him at least not.

831
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 2: Now AND i think year one was the expectation was

832
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 2: always that it was going to be sort of like

833
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 2: what we. Saw nobody really knew what to. Expect but

834
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 2: now this is when the real evaluation. Starts in year.

835
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: TWO i THINK i am with.

836
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 2: You i'm still not sold on the quarterback, position And

837
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 2: i'm not fully SURE i understand where the rest of

838
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 2: the project is. Going so IF i am putting it

839
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 2: on a, SPECTRUM i am definitely closer to them being

840
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 2: or him being more of a, problem especially if you

841
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 2: take in all the, extracurriculars him being more of a

842
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 2: problem For North, carolina The North carolina being a problem

843
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 2: for everybody.

844
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: ELSE i think that's. Right, yeah nineteenth, overall which they

845
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: had forty, commitments so that like exkews the rankings a little.

846
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 1: Bit BUT i Just i'm not going to count on

847
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: true freshmen And Bill belichick of all people, playing you,

848
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: know seventeen eighteen year olds as difference makers in year

849
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: two unless he's left with no. Choice all, right.

850
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 2: Let's stay in the great state Of North, carolina if you'd,

851
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 2: like and let's talk about Wake.

852
00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: Forest Oh man, problem and that's sort of, that that's

853
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: where that's where wake wants to.

854
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 2: EXIST i don't know how you can be a Wake

855
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 2: forest fan and be anything other than ecstatic after year

856
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:09,439
Speaker 2: one Under Jake.

857
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:10,479
Speaker 1: Dickert M, hm.

858
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 2: It looks like their quarterback this year is gonna Be

859
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 2: geelopis is gonna Be. Carolina, yes it's going on here

860
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 2: man acc. Experience he just maybe it's just a better. Situation,

861
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 2: look they lost the two to round out Wake forest's reality, Is,

862
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 2: yes they had a really good year with basically no quarterback.

863
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 2: Play all things, considered it was an embarrassing loss To Florida.

864
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 2: State but the way that they were competitive against this

865
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 2: schedule in THE, acc that it was year, one that

866
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 2: it was a later in the process higher In Jake

867
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 2: dickert THAT i, believe Maybe i'm wrong on, that that

868
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 2: there is something about Wake forest and. Optimism, now Wake

869
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 2: forest is never going to recruit on a high. Level

870
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 2: Jake dickert is not a huge name in THE acc and,

871
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 2: recruiting so it doesn't seem like they're going to have

872
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 2: the money to compete with some of the bigger programs

873
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 2: in THE acc for transfers and recruiting and. Stuff they

874
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 2: lose both their best offensive and defensive linemen to The

875
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 2: portal this, Year but in terms of a pure coaching

876
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 2: job and how close wake was to even more, right

877
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 2: they were like a minute and a half from being

878
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 2: nine to three or something THAT i JUST i Think

879
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 2: Wake forest can solidly exist as A bowl team who

880
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,280
Speaker 2: can be a wrench for a lot of people moving.

881
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 2: FORWARD i, mean last year was the defense that led

882
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 2: the way right last. Year last year Was Jake dickerd's first.

883
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 2: Year he is bringing back his offensive and defensive, coordinators

884
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 2: so there's some continuity, THERE i believe in the recruiting,

885
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,399
Speaker 2: game and you're right to bring up it may never

886
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 2: be a situation where they're going to go out there

887
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 2: and have a top twenty, closs but they had a

888
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 2: top fifty. CLASS i think they were thirty eighth, nationally

889
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 2: which is one, of if not the best that they've

890
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 2: had in. Forever so he's already had something of an

891
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 2: impact on that side of. Things AND i think if

892
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 2: we are to glean anything from what we saw in

893
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, five it doesn't necessarily need to be the

894
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 2: highest ranked recruiting either in high school or portal. Class right,

895
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 2: now that's sort of not What jake dickerd did up At. Wazoo,

896
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 2: no and that's not what he did in year one

897
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 2: at Wake. Forest he Took Robbie ashford to nine. Wins so,

898
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 2: AGAIN i just come back to WHAT i, SAID i

899
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 2: don't think you can be A Wake forest fan and

900
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 2: be anything other than completely ecstatic from what you saw

901
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 2: in your One i've got a bunch of games highlighted.

902
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 2: HERE i could talk about all of these. GAMES i

903
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 2: won't do. THAT i am pretty excited about What Jake

904
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 2: dicker looks like in year two With Wake, far and

905
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 2: especially given where THE acc is at right, now especially

906
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 2: where THE acc is, at where it just kind of

907
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 2: feels like it's a Wild west right now outside Of.

908
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 2: Miami who, knows there is definitely space for somebody else

909
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 2: to jump up and, be as you, said a. Problem

910
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 2: So I'm i'm with. YOU i got to believe that

911
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,280
Speaker 2: enthusiasm has not been this high In Winston salem since

912
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 2: was it twenty twenty?

913
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: One when they want eleven?

914
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 2: Games whatever it, is The Wolford, wagon The wolford Wagon

915
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 2: man like he's built culture real. Quick he's got a

916
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 2: player first. Approach there's a lot of optimism, here AND

917
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 2: i think for good.

918
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: Reason, YES i agree with, you ALTHOUGH i wouldn't go

919
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: as far as saying there is a vacuum at or

920
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: near the top and why not? WAKE i THINK i

921
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 1: can pump the brakes a little bit on that specific.

922
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: Conversation but as a, Perennial i'm.

923
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 2: Not even saying at the, Top, Dan i'm just saying

924
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 2: the conference as a, whole It's, OH i, know there's

925
00:50:56,080 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 2: a pretty big space right in the meati of this,

926
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 2: conference the upper to middle tier of this, conference that

927
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 2: is going to be occupied by somebody this. Year maybe

928
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 2: it Was, virginia you, know kind OF i guess more than,

929
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 2: That virginia being so they played for the conference. Championship

930
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 2: but it's just. There there's there's wiggle room there if you're,

931
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 2: Awake AND i think you got to ask why not?

932
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: Us, yeah The nartoozi zone is what you're. Saying The

933
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: nardoozi zone could could rent to a new. Renter, Okay West, Virginia,

934
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 1: Uh West. VIRGINIA i. AM i am closer to Thinking

935
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: Rich rod is a problem For West virginia than vice.

936
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 1: VERSA i don't like the constant turnover. INVOLVED i, MEAN

937
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: i like that they're looking at the roster and they

938
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: say we need a lot given what Rich rod has

939
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 1: done with. Quarterbacks no disrespect to what they brought in

940
00:51:56,440 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: this year in uh what's his name From? Oklahoma Michael.

941
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:07,240
Speaker 1: Hawkins you're telling me like A Scottie, Fox Michael. Hawkins

942
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 1: battle to determine the future power Of West virginia football

943
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: is something to get excited. LIKE i like their defensive.

944
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: COORDINATOR i like some of the pieces on their defense

945
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:23,879
Speaker 1: and what they did last. Year but from what they

946
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: did last, year and it's always good to be. Pitt

947
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: it is always good to be pitt if you're A

948
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 1: West virginia. Human i'm squinting too often when looking at

949
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: the different facets of This West virginia program to feel.

950
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: GREAT i like what they did once again this recruiting.

951
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 1: Season they signed a ton of, guys, right they flipped guys.

952
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: Late they were.

953
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 2: Aggressive we'll talk about that in a.

954
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: Second, yeah both both high school and portal adds up

955
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: to one hundred and seventy three new players something like.

956
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 2: That it's eighty three eighty. Three that is the most

957
00:52:57,680 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 2: in all OF. Fbs but how many was it last?

958
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 2: Year by the, way it was like seventy, right something like.

959
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 2: That by the, way the next two highest schools in

960
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 2: terms of number of new, players tied at seventy four

961
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 2: Are Iowa state And Oklahoma. State so this isn't a

962
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 2: show About Iowa state And Oklahoma. State we will talk

963
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 2: about them in due course. Here but if you take

964
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 2: anything away from, this just be mindful of the fact

965
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 2: that we've got three teams in The big, twelve and

966
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 2: there are actually others too that are you, know within

967
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 2: the top fifteen of this. List there will be a

968
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 2: lot of turnover in The big, twelve AND i think

969
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 2: that's part of what makes The big twelve exciting because

970
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 2: you have a lot of variability and there are a

971
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,720
Speaker 2: bunch of possibilities THAT i think could unfold in twenty twenty.

972
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 2: Six But West virginia is definitely leading the pack with

973
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 2: eighty three new.

974
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 1: Commits, yeah and by the, Way Oklahoma state And Iowa,

975
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 1: state those are brand new. Hires. Yes Rich rod is

976
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: now entering his second, season so it's a little bit.

977
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: Different and so you can read it two. Ways you

978
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 1: can read it that, like, look Rich rod recognizes what

979
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:02,240
Speaker 1: needed to, change and you, know he and his staff

980
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,479
Speaker 1: have eyes on upgrading, everywhere and that's the. Hope bringing

981
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: in so many new players and perhaps true freshmen are

982
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: going to play and get into the, rotation and we're

983
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: going to see those stories about Like West virginia starters

984
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: are younger than everybody else in The big twelve or.

985
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 1: Whatever they have the, youngest and that's always kind of

986
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 1: like a. Problem you're The if you're the youngest, team

987
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: that's a. Problem that means things have gone wrong with

988
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 1: your development and your ability to evaluate unless you're sending you,

989
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 1: know thirteen players to THE nfl every, Season, yeah Which

990
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,959
Speaker 1: West virginia very much is. Not so the one read

991
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 1: is they're. Aggressive they're finding guys that have higher ceilings

992
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 1: and have experience and are going to solidify. Things and

993
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 1: the downside is there's zero stability to this. Program there's

994
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 1: zero guys who can say this is what we did last,

995
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,359
Speaker 1: year this is what worked for, us this is what

996
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: didn't work for. Us this is how we're going to

997
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 1: bring you, along, well not bring you, along but the

998
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 1: players who are like you, know they understand the, Language

999
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:02,879
Speaker 1: they understand the rhythms of the, program and now they're

1000
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 1: gonna work a rotation into.

1001
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 2: It.

1002
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: Whatever you can look at this and saying there's zero

1003
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 1: stability To West virginia football bringing, in, however many new

1004
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: players over two, years and that it's hardly the way

1005
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 1: to build long term, success because, Again indiana is an.

1006
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 1: Outlier if you're looking at this program and, saying you,

1007
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: know bringing in one hundred and thirty new players in

1008
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: two years or whatever the number, is it's pointing to

1009
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 1: a lot of screw ups in your evaluation and your.

1010
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: Development and so right, NOW i JUST i don't see

1011
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: a way For West virginia to scratch and claw it's

1012
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 1: way to eight wins every. Year it just seems like

1013
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 1: too steep an.

1014
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 2: Incline, WELL i, mean, look last year was always going

1015
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,479
Speaker 2: to be a transition. Year, yeah everybody knew. That going.

1016
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 2: In Beating pitt in overtime In week three bought a

1017
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 2: lot of goodwill For. Richrod it did sort of taper from,

1018
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 2: there both in terms of good will and in terms

1019
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 2: of things like attendance at the, stadium and most IMPORTANTLY

1020
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 2: i should add. Health health is sort of THE x

1021
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 2: factor because they were super beat up last. Year it

1022
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,320
Speaker 2: killed them to Lose Jaheim white in week. Two in

1023
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 2: addition To Jayden bray the wide, receiver those guys were

1024
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 2: both done for the year in week. Two they also

1025
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:20,399
Speaker 2: Lost Ty edwards it's another running back as well As

1026
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 2: Nico marshall their.

1027
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 1: Quarterback, Right so they lost a lot last. Year mark, Y'all,

1028
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 1: yeah what is?

1029
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 2: It mark? Y'ALL i don't.

1030
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: Know i'm almost.

1031
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 2: Positive, yeah. Sure so the question is how did he?

1032
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 2: Do and the answer from my standpoint IS i don't.

1033
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 2: Know in a, VACUUM i do not. Know IF i

1034
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 2: Told West virginia fans without any other, context hey you're

1035
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 2: going to finish four and, eight you're also going to

1036
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 2: have three one score games on top of it that

1037
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 2: maybe if things, go you, know a little bit more

1038
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 2: in your, favor you get a win or two out of.

1039
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:53,720
Speaker 2: THOSE i think people will be okay with, THAT.

1040
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: I.

1041
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:59,720
Speaker 2: Do the Part i'm having trouble digesting is the portal

1042
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:04,399
Speaker 2: thing that you. Mentioned fifty guys transferring, out thirty four

1043
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 2: new guys coming. In that's a year after there were

1044
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 2: fifty three new guys transferring in high. School recruiting is,

1045
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 2: decent but it's just a lot of turnover, again eighty

1046
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 2: three new commits in, total which, is AS i, said

1047
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 2: the most IN. Fbs that's just a. Lot it doesn't

1048
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 2: feel like you're, building. Right it feels like you're trying

1049
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 2: to Play roulette year in and year, out two years running. Now.

1050
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: Yep so he needs to.

1051
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 2: Obviously improve on four and, eight AND i would like

1052
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 2: to see a little bit more from the standpoint of

1053
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 2: longer term. Stability that's my cause for. Pause, okay so

1054
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 2: what's your. Answer my answer IS i agree with you. Again.

1055
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 2: OKAY i think still trending more closer to being a

1056
00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 2: problem For West virginia than for everybody.

1057
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: Else making three and a half, million which is crazy

1058
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: to say just as a, human but you, know the

1059
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 1: return on investment isn't as severe as The Bill pelicheck.

1060
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: Situation so he'll have. Time obviously a beloved figure In,

1061
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: morgantown but as of, NOW i don't. KNOW i feel

1062
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 1: like they're searching a little bit too.

1063
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 2: MUCH i do feel Like Michael hawkins fits what he

1064
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 2: likes to do on offense, Though, OKAY i think personnel

1065
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 2: wise that's a good. FIT i think he could do

1066
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 2: really well in a Rich rod.

1067
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 1: System, okay but.

1068
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 2: You, know you're kind of throwing a dart at a

1069
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 2: board trying to figure out how the remaining pieces are

1070
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 2: going to.

1071
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 1: WORK i don't, know better get those wins. Early by the,

1072
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: Way West virginia this, season with a backloaded, schedule.

1073
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 2: We Got purdue And stanford. Left let's Do. Purdue, Okay

1074
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 2: purdue went two and ten oh to nine in. Conference

1075
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 2: we've got a bunch Of purdue fans on our, discord

1076
00:58:55,080 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 2: in Our patreon community who right into us. Frequently the

1077
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 2: fans sentiment THAT i have detected is one of resignation

1078
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 2: but cautiously being. Hopeful, okay if that makes. SENSE i

1079
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 2: think from WHAT i could, gather people appreciate the fact

1080
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 2: that BARRIOTOM a has rebuilt programs, before so there's still

1081
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 2: some hopefulness with regard to. That. Okay there were definite

1082
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 2: moments this season Where purdue maybe wasn't within a score

1083
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 2: but felt like they were playing whistle to, whistle which

1084
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 2: means something at least to, Me AND i think barriotom

1085
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,919
Speaker 2: also bought himself some goodwill my word of the day

1086
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 2: here by acknowledging the. Fans acknowledging the fans that stuck

1087
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 2: around despite the fact that the team went to and

1088
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 2: ten fans appreciate, that and SO i, think LIKE i,

1089
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 2: said that buys you, goodwill that gets at least a

1090
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 2: little bit of buy into this being a. Process, yes

1091
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 2: but it does not paper over the fact that they're

1092
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 2: in a huge hole right, now, right and it is

1093
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 2: made worse by the fact That Notre dame is on

1094
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 2: top of the. World it is made worse by the

1095
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 2: fact That indiana is now even more on top of

1096
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:21,919
Speaker 2: the world in. State so if you're a fan really

1097
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 2: of any, team looking around kind of looking at your, hands, shrugging,

1098
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 2: wondering why can't that be? Us why can't we do? That?

1099
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 2: Right if then why not?

1100
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 1: Us especially when they were that team they were a

1101
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 1: problem for under others Under jeff brom the spoiler, makers,

1102
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 1: right not that they were a ten win, threat but

1103
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 1: they did end up because of Weird big ten math

1104
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 1: in A big ten championship, game, RIGHT i, believe, correct that's. Correct.

1105
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 1: Correct they did win some big games Under Jeff brohm

1106
01:00:55,320 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 1: against big. Teams and, look The Ryan waltz era was

1107
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 1: terrible and the recent now first year of a very

1108
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 1: otom is finishing the season oh to ten being competitive

1109
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 1: in exactly One Big ten game late they were competitive

1110
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 1: in the third quarter AGAINST usc sort. Of the thing

1111
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 1: that has me Questioning purdue is if they're not going

1112
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 1: to be crazy aggressive in the portal, financially which it's, tough,

1113
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 1: Right it's a tough sell on a team again that

1114
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 1: finished oh to, ten that didn't have any wins over

1115
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 1: AN fbs TEAM i, BELIEVE i forget they beat Ball

1116
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 1: state excuse to start the, season but also Beat Southern.

1117
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 1: Illinois them saying Or Barry otam specifically Saying Ryan brown

1118
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 1: is our guy After Ryan brown was arguably the worst

1119
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 1: quarterback in The Big ten last, season is an indication

1120
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 1: to me that, one, well it's mostly an indication to

1121
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 1: me that people were not willing to spend portal wise

1122
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 1: For purdue to find a better option. Too, obviously it's

1123
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 1: gonna be very tough to convince a clearly better option

1124
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 1: at quarterback to come To purdue unless there's a very

1125
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 1: solid offensive line and receiving corps and offensive coordinator in.

1126
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 1: Place so it is baby. Steps but you look at

1127
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 1: this roster and you look at the situation from last

1128
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 1: year and you're, like what is what is the? Path

1129
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 1: what are you looking? For to end up four and

1130
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 1: eight in twenty twenty six when they've lost the best

1131
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 1: players to the portal and they're adding what appears to

1132
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 1: be just. Guys So purdue happens to be might just

1133
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 1: be a place right now that is unwilling to compete

1134
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 1: from a financial. Perspective BUT i don't. KNOW i think

1135
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 1: it might just be a place right now that, is you,

1136
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 1: know not built at all as a you, know infrastructure

1137
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 1: wise to be a bowl. Team and so for that, Reason,

1138
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:54,919
Speaker 1: Ty i'm.

1139
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 2: Out, Yeah i'm looking at their line. HERE i, mean

1140
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 2: it's going to mostly be. TRANSFERS i mean a lot

1141
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:04,919
Speaker 2: of this team is still going to be, transfers guys

1142
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 2: that they're bringing in from. Elsewhere The Ryan brown, thing,

1143
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 2: though is. Interesting at quarterback nine, touchdowns ten. Interceptions everything

1144
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 2: That i've read has been that they actually like where

1145
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 2: their quarterback room is.

1146
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 1: At, YEAH i saw that, Too but that gives me

1147
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 1: cause for. Pause that's what they're gonna. Say they're not

1148
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 1: going to say we don't like our.

1149
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 2: Guys it is a very very steep hole for these

1150
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 2: guys to climb, out And Barry odom having a track

1151
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 2: record for turning programs around is. Comforting in one, sense but, also,

1152
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 2: look the conference is bigger. Now you do have teams

1153
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 2: Like indiana that have made that top tier very quickly

1154
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 2: and made everybody else. ENVIOUS i am not seeing it

1155
01:03:55,920 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 2: here based on this. ROSTER i am not seeing the

1156
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:03,919
Speaker 2: winter wonders that you need even one or. Two, dude

1157
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 2: you Need september, wonders Exactly september. Sensations i'm just not

1158
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:12,920
Speaker 2: really seeing. It that doesn't mean that they can't take

1159
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 2: a jump. FORWARD i think they will be, better BUT

1160
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 2: i still trend on the side of being more a

1161
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 2: problem For purdue than everybody else in The Big ten

1162
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 2: just because of the starting. Point it's going to be

1163
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 2: tough to get where this team wants to. Go and

1164
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 2: Again I'm i'm just not seeing the personnel. Here by the,

1165
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 2: way when you look at A cheggerman that you can rely,

1166
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 2: on that's. Right just Concerning they're twenty twenty five, schedule

1167
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:44,800
Speaker 2: for as bad as things went for, them featured basically

1168
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 2: nothing but top forty. Defenses they didn't have those baked

1169
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 2: in wins that you have, elsewhere not because the teams

1170
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 2: that they were playing wall to wall were all, excellent

1171
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:58,479
Speaker 2: but they all had at least competence to very good

1172
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 2: defenses thirteen forty, one thirty, four twenty, eight fifteen, one

1173
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 2: nine and two for the defensive sp plus. Ratings, now

1174
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 2: obviously they're playing some kind of wonky, offenses and perhaps

1175
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 2: that's inflating those numbers a little. Bit even though this

1176
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 2: is a team adjusted metric and opponent adjusted. Metric they

1177
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 2: only put the only like clearly awful defense on their

1178
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 2: schedule was The rutgers, defense and they probably should have

1179
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 2: Beaten rutgers and literally fumbled that game. Away, no so all,

1180
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 2: right let's close it out With, Stanford, dan and THEN

1181
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 2: i guess if you have any other straight thoughts on other,

1182
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 2: coaches we go through some others.

1183
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 1: Quickly but, yeah there was a lot of really good

1184
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 1: jobs done by coaches in the the group of six.

1185
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 2: Ranks stanford is different Because stanford had an interim coach

1186
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:49,439
Speaker 2: In Frank. Reich. Yeah last, Season stanford finished the year

1187
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 2: going four to, eight three and five in. Conference they

1188
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 2: Beat Boston, college they Beat San Jose, state they Beat Florida,

1189
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:59,200
Speaker 2: state and they Beat CAL i, mean you.

1190
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 1: Knew it was going to be kind of. Rough you've

1191
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 1: finished the season Beating cow by three touchdowns and having

1192
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:08,479
Speaker 1: their coach get. Fired, yeah and you knew That Frank

1193
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 1: reich was going to be gone. Regardless that's right that

1194
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 1: there was kind of an element Of stanford playing. Solidly

1195
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 1: they played with their hair on fire at. Times they were, competing,

1196
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 1: Right they Lost North carolina by, five and that was

1197
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 1: an extremely winnable game for.

1198
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:24,720
Speaker 2: Them it WAS.

1199
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 1: I don't, KNOW I i guess we have to evaluate

1200
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 1: this in terms of, like Does Tavita pritchard have the

1201
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 1: capability At stanford with how they're eventually going to look

1202
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 1: to be a problem for THE acc.

1203
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 2: MAYBE i, mean we can't grade this out the same

1204
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 2: way we just we can't do. That but this will

1205
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 2: be an interesting test now to See andrew luck as

1206
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 2: basically THE. Gm here's THE, gm here's the. Gym but

1207
01:06:57,680 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 2: more than, that he's sort of a figurehead at stan

1208
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 2: to see what his chops are. Like the hiring Of

1209
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:10,840
Speaker 2: Tavita pritchard was very well received by The stanford. COMMUNITY

1210
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 2: i saw something that season ticket interest was supposedly, Up

1211
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 2: so it'll be a really interesting test this. Year the

1212
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 2: combination Of Andrew locke and his knowledge of the institution

1213
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 2: With Tavita pritchard and his. ENERGY i believe they've also

1214
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 2: invested in, facilities which has created some more. Optimism so

1215
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 2: they just need to figure out some way to become

1216
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 2: competitive in this. Landscape it's been six straight years now

1217
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 2: of four wins or, fewer AND i feel like any

1218
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:48,240
Speaker 2: kind of upward trajectory would feel pretty. Significant but what

1219
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:51,040
Speaker 2: that looks like in twenty twenty, six there is going

1220
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 2: to be a time for us to do. Previews i've

1221
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 2: been looking at the roster here just in kind of

1222
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 2: the build up to this. Episode Dylan, rizzick is he

1223
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 2: going to be your started at the transfer FROM? Ucf

1224
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 2: they're a bunch of Quat Charlie, myer like who had

1225
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 2: three snaps or three passing attempts last? Year you know

1226
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 2: who's going to be your starter at? Quarterback Davis warren

1227
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 2: comes over From michigan as. Well like they have some

1228
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 2: names THAT i guess we've heard about throughout the course

1229
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:24,360
Speaker 2: of the last couple of years that are going to

1230
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:28,040
Speaker 2: be as part of this. Roster but it's really just

1231
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:30,000
Speaker 2: a big OLD. TVD i don't think we can actually

1232
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 2: grade out To Vita pritchard at this point because it

1233
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 2: Was Frank reich and interim basis last.

1234
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:37,799
Speaker 1: Year, look the path For stanford to be a problem

1235
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 1: for THE acc is pretty, easy. Right they have basically

1236
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 1: limitless financial faucets that they could. Open there's a ton

1237
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:49,000
Speaker 1: of if people care about, State, Right so What i'm

1238
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:51,599
Speaker 1: saying is this season is the sort of like get

1239
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 1: people excited season for next. YEAR i think largely it's

1240
01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 1: going to come from high school. Recruiting. Largely you're gonna

1241
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 1: have to pay players really, well WHICH i don't know

1242
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 1: If stanford is super keen on in this, moment and

1243
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:09,000
Speaker 1: create an environment in which players want to stay At

1244
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 1: stanford because they want A stanford, degree because they like

1245
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:15,600
Speaker 1: being in Northern, california because they like living there and

1246
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:19,040
Speaker 1: being in that, program and they don't mind playing In

1247
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 1: North carolina every other week or something so or The

1248
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:26,240
Speaker 1: East coast every other. Week, yeah it's a high bar to,

1249
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 1: clear but if anybody's positioned to be that kind of,

1250
01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 1: island it may Be, stanford just because of their starting

1251
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 1: point as a.

1252
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 2: University, also it should be mentioned there are a lot

1253
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 2: of guys on this team that were on previous versions

1254
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 2: of the, Team right though they took on some transfers

1255
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:50,599
Speaker 2: because they had. To i'm looking just, like, right now

1256
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 2: at the defensive. Line these are guys who have been

1257
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:55,679
Speaker 2: in this program now for a couple of years, running

1258
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:59,720
Speaker 2: so there is some. Familiarity it probably will be a

1259
01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 2: life lyft For Tavita pritcher to get these guys to

1260
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:05,360
Speaker 2: play together as a, team just because there's some built

1261
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 2: in awareness of who everybody. Is they're not relearning the

1262
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 2: names Come. September THAT i think stands for. Something but beyond,

1263
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:14,880
Speaker 2: THAT i think we got to go and complete. Here

1264
01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:17,679
Speaker 2: What Frank wright did on an interim basis was, fine

1265
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:23,040
Speaker 2: BUT i think bigger, picture where Is stanford at probably

1266
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 2: still closer to being a problem For, stanford BUT tvd

1267
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:31,799
Speaker 2: we just don't, know okay to run through other hires.

1268
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:35,880
Speaker 2: Quickly the class of twenty twenty five in terms of

1269
01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 2: new coach, Hires jerry mack a plus oh hell yah,

1270
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 2: whatever absolutely going to be an absolute problem moving forward

1271
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 2: For Kennessas state and The.

1272
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:49,760
Speaker 1: Owls. Yep Jason eck gonna be a problem moving. Forward, absolutely,

1273
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 1: yes one hundred.

1274
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 2: Percent whether it's At New mexico or somewhere, else will

1275
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 2: be a.

1276
01:10:55,560 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 1: PROBLEM i thought some of the mac hires were, good

1277
01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 1: Like matt Drink all. Yep At central really. Good Charles

1278
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:10,320
Speaker 1: kelly At Jacksonville state really. Good like who stood out to?

1279
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 1: You by the, way who else stood out To.

1280
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:20,639
Speaker 2: Dan Mullen okay AT unlv gonna be a, problem, Yes Blake, Harrol,

1281
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:25,599
Speaker 2: yeah At East carolina had a really good. Season under

1282
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:28,599
Speaker 2: the radar for a bit, there we were talking ABOUT

1283
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:33,080
Speaker 2: ecu potentially as a team that could play a part

1284
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 2: in That American conference championship. Game so, YEP i don't

1285
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 2: know if they're going to get that infusion of Mister

1286
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:44,400
Speaker 2: beast money that we wrote about in the newsletter On.

1287
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:48,240
Speaker 2: Tuesday seems like that could be a. Thing BUT i

1288
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 2: like what happened AT.

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01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:54,840
Speaker 1: ECU i Love Mark carney At Kent. State they were

1290
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 1: one in twenty three the two years leading, up had

1291
01:11:57,080 --> 01:12:00,360
Speaker 1: a short amount of time to prepare as like interim full.

1292
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:04,120
Speaker 1: Time they win five games At Kent, state not super.

1293
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 1: EASY i would give Matt ends pretty high.

1294
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 2: Marks At. FRESNO i would, too because there was a

1295
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:14,440
Speaker 2: ton of roster turnover and it's not set in, stone.

1296
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 1: And that was late in the process thing as.

1297
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:19,639
Speaker 2: Well it was it was With Jeff tedford walking. Away

1298
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:24,680
Speaker 2: BUT i would give Matt ends pretty high marks. There.

1299
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 2: Bronco mennenhall did, okay.

1300
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:30,760
Speaker 1: Absolute problem for THE pac twelve At. UTAHS i thought

1301
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:33,840
Speaker 1: he did all. Right Charles hoffho was already on the,

1302
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 1: move SO i Guess Charles houff might be a problem At.

1303
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:39,160
Speaker 1: Memphis is that where he ended? Up, yeah he ended

1304
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:39,439
Speaker 1: up At.

1305
01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:42,519
Speaker 2: Memphis but the story With Charles huff, was upon Leaving

1306
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:46,719
Speaker 2: marshall and taking most of his team with him To Southern,

1307
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:50,200
Speaker 2: miss he was able to turn out what a six

1308
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:54,840
Speaker 2: and sixth. Season, yeah struggling a place that's really been.

1309
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:57,760
Speaker 2: Struggling so it sucks For Southern miss that he's leaving

1310
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:01,880
Speaker 2: after one. Year BUT i think he's proven, that at

1311
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:04,960
Speaker 2: least given current, circumstances he knows how to assemble a roster.

1312
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 1: Quickly, yeah we have another one of those In Jimmy

1313
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 1: rodgers At wazoo who's now moving To Iowa. State BUT

1314
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:13,479
Speaker 1: i thought he did a terrific job in his first

1315
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:15,880
Speaker 1: and only year At. WAZOO i Thought Casey keeler did

1316
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:19,200
Speaker 1: a great job At temple given where that program.

1317
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:22,559
Speaker 2: Was won A Trindadad chambalis remember that Wanted trindad chambalasts

1318
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:23,400
Speaker 2: before all misgame.

1319
01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:27,360
Speaker 1: Calling and he also was like an, hour not even

1320
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:29,920
Speaker 1: an hour a minute from beating Both army And navy

1321
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:32,000
Speaker 1: and ending up in a bowl game in year. One

1322
01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:35,120
Speaker 1: and SO i don't. KNOW i thought he acquitted himself pretty.

1323
01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:37,799
Speaker 1: Well there there were some like less than stellar jobs

1324
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:40,760
Speaker 1: that you, know we talked About Barry odom and Rich

1325
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:43,200
Speaker 1: rod Tim albin had a real rough first year At.

1326
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:45,240
Speaker 1: Charlotte but that also may just be a place that

1327
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:48,600
Speaker 1: nobody can. Win, Ever, yeah like they just might not

1328
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:51,400
Speaker 1: have the. Sport. EVER i Thought Dole loggins at App

1329
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:53,360
Speaker 1: state did not have a good. Year that's a place

1330
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 1: that basically a lot of people, win and he was

1331
01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:59,559
Speaker 1: sort of unable to find that as. Well Phil longo

1332
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:03,400
Speaker 1: had a tough time At Sam. HOUSTON i don't. Know

1333
01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:05,320
Speaker 1: did anybody else stand out to? You Trey, LAMB i

1334
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 1: didn't love the job At. Tulsa Zach, Kittley I'm i'm

1335
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 1: willing to believe he'll be okay AT.

1336
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 2: Fau, Yeah Eddie george At Bowling green started, nicely started

1337
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:26,240
Speaker 2: okay four and, EIGHT i Don't i'll give that one another.

1338
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:29,280
Speaker 2: Year we'll see how that. Goes one name he didn't,

1339
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 2: mention WHO i think is getting some attention as potentially

1340
01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:39,360
Speaker 2: a coach at a bigger place Is Willie simmons FROM.

1341
01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:41,880
Speaker 1: Fiu, oh he did so. Well he did a great

1342
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:42,840
Speaker 1: job five and.

1343
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 2: Seven so it's not a record that jumps off the

1344
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:49,000
Speaker 2: page at you In CONFERENCE, usa but a really solid

1345
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 2: coach WHO i think knows what he's. Doing.

1346
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:54,160
Speaker 1: Buddy they went seven and, five seven to. Five excuse,

1347
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:55,559
Speaker 1: me what DID i? Say, yeah they lost their ball

1348
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:57,719
Speaker 1: game and ended up seven and. Six but, yeah my, Apologies,

1349
01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:00,519
Speaker 1: yeah that's WHAT i. MEANT FIU i went nothing but

1350
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 1: four and eight Under mike, McIntyre zho to five and

1351
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:05,640
Speaker 1: one and, Eleven Butch davis's final two, seasons he had

1352
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 1: a couple of good years in. There Ron turner did

1353
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:10,040
Speaker 1: nothing AT. Fiu it's a tough, place and he immediately

1354
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 1: came in and did.

1355
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:15,559
Speaker 2: Well absolutely the only other one THAT i would throw out,

1356
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 2: here just BECAUSE i THINK i talked a lot about

1357
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 2: this when we did our. Preview, yeah but the situation

1358
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:28,840
Speaker 2: At marshall mm. Hmm That marshall, job to me was

1359
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:31,920
Speaker 2: really fascinating in the run up to the season because

1360
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:35,439
Speaker 2: in effect they were bringing In Tony gibson and a

1361
01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:37,519
Speaker 2: bunch of guys that were familiar with the state Of West.

1362
01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:40,680
Speaker 2: Virginia SO i was, hopeful and they went four and.

1363
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:43,360
Speaker 2: Eight we'll give it another go this year before WE

1364
01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:47,040
Speaker 2: i think draw any hard and fast, conclusions BUT i

1365
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:48,880
Speaker 2: was kind of hoping for a little bit more like

1366
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:52,760
Speaker 2: there was. OPTIMISM i think there were reasons, that you,

1367
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:55,880
Speaker 2: know it wouldn't go, anywhere but that, one to me

1368
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:56,680
Speaker 2: was another one THAT i had.

1369
01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:59,280
Speaker 1: Mine they also they dropped two winnable games to finish

1370
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:01,040
Speaker 1: out the, year one four out of five and then

1371
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:03,839
Speaker 1: lost four out of, five and so it was a streaky.

1372
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:06,679
Speaker 1: Year but, OFFENSIVELY i think they were in a decent.

1373
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 1: Place they were able to throw the ball a little.

1374
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:10,680
Speaker 1: BIT i think they'll be all.

1375
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:14,760
Speaker 2: Right, yeah all. Right uh solid Rebot gmail dot com

1376
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:17,000
Speaker 2: as always where you can write in if you have any,

1377
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:19,280
Speaker 2: thoughts or go to the Website phil at the forum

1378
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:19,560
Speaker 2: if you have.

1379
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:22,200
Speaker 1: ANYTHING i do have it working. Now it was broken

1380
01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:25,360
Speaker 1: for a while and broken for a, while but we fixed.

1381
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:25,800
Speaker 1: It we're good.

1382
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:29,000
Speaker 2: Now send in your. Thoughts you, can of course reach

1383
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Speaker 2: out on any of the social. Platforms we read all

1384
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:37,080
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1385
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1386
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1388
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:46,559
Speaker 1: Ti i'm just trying to live my best life here

1389
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:48,559
Speaker 1: for that guy over, there my.

1390
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 2: Good Friend Dan, rubinstein for, Myself Tie hildebrand over here

1391
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 2: in Eastern. Pennsylvania stay warm as, always you know the,

1392
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 2: Drill stay.

1393
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:58,080
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