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Speaker 1: the host of the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast. I'll also

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Speaker 1: be your host into the world of hunting the icon

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Speaker 1: Colby Morehead, the Bear Teck, and I just got back

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Speaker 1: that we're gonna call the Montana Tour and while we

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Speaker 1: But we also talk with Justin Rebecca about some of

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Speaker 1: Honey Magazine podcast. I am with Colby Moore, head the

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Speaker 1: Bear Tech and we are in near Missoula, Montana. Let's

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Speaker 1: Justin is the director of Big Game Records did I

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Speaker 1: it's a symmetrical, heavy, long timed rock. You know, That's

428
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: what the system gets credit exactly what is the typical

429
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 1: way the reason? And again, if you understand that the

430
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: boone Crocket record was originally designed to be a biological

431
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: record keeping system that showed us where habitat was good

432
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: and where it wasn't, where there were problems with conservation

433
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,479
Speaker 1: where there wasn't, then you understand that when a deer

434
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: has this massive lack of symmetry, that the records just

435
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,199
Speaker 1: from that philosophical idea would have to deduct from that.

436
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: So that that's the whole point of it. And I

437
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: think I think if people knew that, they would be

438
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:53,439
Speaker 1: not quite as a judge against the system, you know,

439
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,239
Speaker 1: and I mean the gross score. People understand what that

440
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 1: is now, and it's useful that tells me if if

441
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 1: I had a deer, that that gross is a hundred

442
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: and sixty five, and that's a hundred and sixty two.

443
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,360
Speaker 1: You tell me that number and instually know, oh, man,

444
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: that's a very typical deer. That's everything is great, you know,

445
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 1: whereas you have, oh, this dear gross is two hundred

446
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 1: and one, and that's one sixty. You know that there's

447
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: there's some craziness going on there, that there's a lot

448
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 1: of inches of abnormality or or deduction. Um, you know

449
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: the broken times. We hear that a lot. I mean,

450
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: that's generally a sign of a high population of males.

451
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 1: That's that's an over so they're breaking times. All that's

452
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: not a natural thing. Therefore it becomes a deduction in

453
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: the system. Because it's all about ranking the habitat and

454
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: the health of the species. It was never meant for

455
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: a hunter to say, you know, I have number seventy

456
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: five white tail in the book, I'm the seventy best

457
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: hunter in the country. That's not at all what the

458
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 1: system was. Ever. I think that would shot most people. Yeah,

459
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: like they really would like they somebody that would have

460
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 1: no context what the these records keeping clubs do? They

461
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: would think that's what this whole thing was about. But

462
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 1: when you understand that so much of who we are

463
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: as hunters today came from the Boone and Crockett Club.

464
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: It's pretty amazing. And you know, and and the Boone

465
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,439
Speaker 1: and Crockett Club. It was a lot of individual members

466
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 1: back then too. Um that that's that's an important thing.

467
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 1: A lot of these guys, this was their passion. I mean,

468
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: their prolific writers. Roosevelt clearly, grinnell Um, Boone and Crockett

469
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: kind of joined them. But but it was those founders

470
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: of conservation, you know that that basically built what we

471
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: have today. I mean, Pittman, Robertson, under FDR, all this stuff.

472
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: Lacey Act, you know, the big Wildlife the older is

473
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: two Lacy Acts, the one that we all know. There's

474
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: a previous one around Yellowstone National Park. I mean, there's

475
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: these guys were absolute giants. Where would you know, I

476
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: talk a lot about the North American mile of wildlife conservation.

477
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,959
Speaker 1: Would that have been I know that that you know

478
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: that that would have spun from the ideology of the

479
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: Bude and cruck Club. But I mean, where where did

480
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: that fit in? Where did where at some point in

481
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: history did we say we have a North American model

482
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: for wildlife conservation and these I think it's the is

483
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: that the five, five pillars or seven pillars, so that

484
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: actually that document was not produced until recent times. That

485
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: was never a blueprint for how to do it. What

486
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: it was was, I believe um thal Geist and another

487
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: you know, prolific biologists sat down and said, what did

488
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: North America? What have we done do different? And what

489
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: are the key components to the system we set up?

490
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: So you know the North American model? Um clearly we

491
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: all the idea of it. The publicly owned wildlife? Can

492
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: we can we hash them out? Do you know them?

493
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: I mean I know you do know them, But if

494
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: you guy couldn't list them for you, I bet we

495
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: could list a lot of them. I bet Becca could

496
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: list all of them. One of them would be one

497
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: of really that's true. We don't we don't have to

498
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: get them all, but one of them would be publicly

499
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: owned wildlife. So like like in Africa, if you own

500
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: ten thousand acres all the wildlife on the most I'm generalizing,

501
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: believe the words held in public trust in the in

502
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: the seven So but the idea is that in some

503
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: places in the world, well a lot of the European countries,

504
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: the wildlife is owned by people. So if you own

505
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: the thousand acres animals on that would be yours here.

506
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: Roosevelt and these guys said, hey, wildlife is public, so

507
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: even if you have deer on private land, it's owned

508
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: those deer your neighbors, just like their years. So there's

509
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: this community value placed on them. So public trust of wildlife. Um.

510
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: Scientific management, scientific based management, so you're not you're not

511
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: managing things based upon emotions like we're seeing now in

512
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: some places that are going totally against everything ing that

513
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: has got us to this point, like what we're seeing

514
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: in British Columbia with with them banning the grizzly hunt,

515
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: totally not based on scientific information. It's based on just

516
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: emotional We like bears and don't want to see hunters

517
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: shoot them. Um, okay, so that's too. I've got one.

518
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: I've got one, uh, non frivolous use of wildlife, and

519
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: that in that one of them. That the way it's worded. Yeah,

520
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the same as commercial. It's

521
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: in the same pillar, but no commercial value, which is

522
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: very interesting at the time. Well, that may be a

523
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: different one. I just remember non frivolous use, which basically

524
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: meant that if you shoot something, you eat it, or

525
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: if you if you shoot a predator, there's purpose behind it.

526
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: You know, we're we've got too many mountain lions and

527
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: not enough of deer. We need to kill a mountain lion,

528
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: you know, as opposed to, Hey, let's go kill thirty

529
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: buffalo today and cut their tongues out right, you know.

530
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: And so and that ethic is deeply implanted into every

531
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: little boy and girl in the country that has a

532
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: bb gun. You know, if you don't shoot it unless

533
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: you're gonna you know, you gotta you gotta eat it.

534
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: If you're gonna shoot it, you know, Uh, there's three

535
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: kobe if you got them up, Oh, we got our

536
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: we got our man. A wildlife doesn't have a value

537
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: like a market value. The commercialization. That's what I was.

538
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: That was when I was talking, Okay, we we got

539
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: them here, Okay. In public trust. Wildlife belongs to the

540
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: people and managed in trust for the people by the

541
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: government agencies. Number two Prohibition on Commerce of dead Wildlife.

542
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: It will be illegal to sell the meat of any

543
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: wild animal in North America. So and that comes from

544
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: a time when market hunters made a living. Guys in

545
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: Arkansas made a living being bear hunters selling the oil,

546
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: selling the meat. You know it can't be that anymore.

547
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: You know that. That's why a buck is called a buck. Right,

548
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: One dollar was the price of a deer, right right,

549
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:06,239
Speaker 1: right right? Yeah, yeah, I thought you were gonna say so.

550
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: An eel of bar oil was the tanned neck of

551
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: a deer filled with barrel oil. I know. I've read

552
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: some literature back and from the South at least, ope Kobe,

553
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: can you open that back up where they would take

554
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,959
Speaker 1: the height of a deer, tann it and make like

555
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: a pouch, you know, waterproof pouch. And how much bar

556
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: oil would be an eel eat? I think it's e

557
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: l L maybe e l L. And that was a

558
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: unit of measurement, Okay. Allocation of wildlife is by law.

559
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: Laws developed by the people and enforced by government agencies

560
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: will regulate the proper use of wildlife resources. So that

561
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: would mean that we submit ourselves to the laws. I

562
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: came to Montana and I can only kill one bear,

563
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: and I gotta pay for it, and I gotta check it.

564
00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: And today we took the bear old spoiler alert. The

565
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: bear took the bear to Missoula to have it checked

566
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: in for opportunity for all, every citizen has the freedom

567
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: to hunting fish. I've got a story. We've got some

568
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: friends that live in wales Um part of England UM,

569
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 1: and they watch some of our YouTube videos of us hunting,

570
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: and to them it's just like bizarre. Not they like it,

571
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: but to them, it's just like that we're just like

572
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: the craziest people on the planet that we would go

573
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: kill a bear. And this lady told me, she says, Clay,

574
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: every time I see you shoot a bear, I go

575
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 1: ahead and do it for me. I couldn't hear you,

576
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: she says, I think, who that's the King's bear. She

577
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,280
Speaker 1: literally says that her heart stops beating because she thinks

578
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: that I just killed the King's bear. And I'm like, no, ma'am.

579
00:34:56,040 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 1: Pillar Number four of the North America MILF Wildlife Conservation

580
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: is that opportunity for all, Every citizen has the freedom hunt.

581
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: And it's fantastic, yes, exactly now. When I was at

582
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,240
Speaker 1: the Boot and Crockett class, one of the things that

583
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: that impacted me was it seems so common because we

584
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: we've grown up with this idea that wildlife is in

585
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,240
Speaker 1: public trust and that we have the right to come

586
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: and go hunt these animals. But we were coming from

587
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: Roosevelt and all these guys were coming from a system

588
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: that said these animals belonged to I mean literally like

589
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: the King, I mean back way down. That's part of

590
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 1: the reason adventurers like to come to North America to hunt.

591
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 1: There's a book that is my favorite book of all time.

592
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: I can't disclose the title because we're gonna do a

593
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: podcast on it. Um but uh, it was this German

594
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 1: guy that came to Arkansas and hunted, and he was

595
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: He hunted just like all those guys did back in

596
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: the early eight hundreds, pretty indiscriminate killing of stuff. But

597
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: he came here to hunt. It was just like a

598
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,479
Speaker 1: mountain man for seven years in Arkansas because he came

599
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: from Europe where he couldn't do that, so he came

600
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: here because he could. Um Man, I've got Kolbe's phone

601
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:25,760
Speaker 1: here and I keep losing it. Okay, we're on number four. Okay.

602
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: Number five is non frivolous use, which we already talked about.

603
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: Number six is uh, international resources because wildlife and fish

604
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 1: frough the migrated across across boundaries between states and provinces

605
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:41,959
Speaker 1: and countries they're considered an international resource. So basically we've

606
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: partnered with Canada and in presumably Mexico with some of

607
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: the migratory animals. And then number seven is managed by science,

608
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,240
Speaker 1: which we've already talked about. So those are the seven

609
00:36:53,960 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: Those are the seven pillars that weren't formed by you know,

610
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: these guys, but basically they're influenced a hundred years later

611
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: produce these things. Yeah. Well, and like I said, it's

612
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: it's it's it was new ideas and those guys framed it,

613
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: but it wasn't written down as the North American model

614
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: until far later, which which is important to remember because

615
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: there's I mean, there's we're facing different challenges and and

616
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: and some of these things have a different look to them.

617
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: You know, commercial value of wildlife, well back then it

618
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: was the meat. Now we have a value to ship antlers,

619
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: right right. This is a question that we need to

620
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: look at and say, you know, are we again putting

621
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: putting unnecessary stress onto the species by giving it an

622
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: economic value which clearly needs to have some economic value

623
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 1: so people take ownership in it and want to preserve

624
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: it or conserve it whatever, um. But we we have

625
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: to ask ourselves you know, are all these exactly what

626
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:07,240
Speaker 1: we need to do? Now? You know the international um

627
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 1: it's an international resource. Well that's that's one discussion on

628
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: the Endangered Species Act and potentially you know, updating it.

629
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: We just had caribou that they just trapped the last

630
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: one in the lower forty eight and took it back

631
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 1: to Canada. There there's issues there which we're in our time.

632
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: Caribou that used to come into Montana and Idaho are

633
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: now no longer here because of practices that were happening

634
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 1: on both sides of the border, and so that we

635
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: might need to look at that one a little closer

636
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 1: and say, hey, we used to do this, why are

637
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: we not dealing with this this Selkirk caribou herd the

638
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 1: same way that for example, the Migratory Bird Act that

639
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: was an early on thing, which is where that came from,

640
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: you know, the duck stamp ding Darling another club member,

641
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: the first duck stamp um between Canada, the US and

642
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: in Mexico on the micro tory birds. And so, like

643
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: I said, we we always caution people to not say

644
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: that this is the written law that that structures what

645
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 1: you know, the basics. Can you see any other places

646
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: inside of that that that's an interesting point that there

647
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 1: could be modern challenges that could I mean you mentioned too,

648
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: or that you know, there any others that you can

649
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,439
Speaker 1: think of. I mean, those are those are the two

650
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: that right now we're our front and center, you know,

651
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: questions that we're that we're looking at. And you know, honestly,

652
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: I mean, the caribou thing hit me deep. I just

653
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: I guess I never thought that I'd be somewhere that

654
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: would lose a big game species and and it and

655
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: it happened, and and we we didn't say much and

656
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 1: I don't know why, um, you know, but the scientific

657
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: management is another big one that you know. Now. The

658
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 1: problem is is is it seems like everybody's got the

659
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: science that says what they want to say. And so

660
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 1: that isn't necessarily a problem. We still want the best

661
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: science driving our decisions. But how do we how do

662
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: we define what the best science is? How do we

663
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: make sure that we're not managing on emotion purely, which

664
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: which is not not a solid way to ensure the

665
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: future of wild That's that is probably the I mean,

666
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:19,720
Speaker 1: from from my perspective, the biggest threat to at least

667
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: predator predator management, predator hunting is just this non scientific

668
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: based um legislation that people can get through in basically

669
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: referendum type of governments, you know, I mean wherever that

670
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: there is a government set up where you can for

671
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: wildlife related issues, just get a bunch of people on

672
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: a ballot to sign, you know, for to say we

673
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: want to ban this type of hunting, and then it

674
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 1: goes to goes into their legislative systems. And it's I

675
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: mean like in Arkansas and in several a lot of

676
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: the state's non referee in them states. That's the way

677
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: I've heard it described are there's there's documentation in Arkansas

678
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:10,240
Speaker 1: where wildlife related issues are not are to be totally

679
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: managed by the state. Is that it's a commission and

680
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: and and people have problems with it, you know, I mean,

681
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: people are like, well, the commissions this or the commissions that,

682
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: And I say, man, I would rather be run by

683
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 1: nine commissioners that are vetted at least in some way

684
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: to care about wildlife and hunting than to be thrown

685
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: to the masses who can be swayed by the millions

686
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: and zillions of dollars put into propaganda against us by

687
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 1: some of these big anti hunting organizations, and that's what

688
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: they do. I mean, that's that's what the Humane Society

689
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: of America does. That's what other groups do. They funnel

690
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 1: money into places that they think they can win, and

691
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: they do these big campaigns in UH in in places

692
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: that they think they can sway people who don't have

693
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: information and UH or who have no background for it.

694
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the easy sell. You know, it's an

695
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: easy sell to someone that's never seen grizzly bear, never

696
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: bear hut, had never seen a mountain line to say,

697
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 1: why would someone want to kill a mountain? I mean,

698
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: you know, I'm preaching to the choir, but that's a

699
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 1: massive threat. I mean, I think it's the biggest threat

700
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: that we have. And the and the one thing that

701
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: we always talk about with with fair chase and ethics

702
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: and hunting, and you know, we address certain things that

703
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,240
Speaker 1: a lot of times, Oh, you know, why is Boone

704
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: and Crockett splitting hunters? Why are you why are you

705
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: dividing hunters? Well, let's think about this in a numbers game.

706
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 1: Hunters are what six percent of the country. If we're

707
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: doing something that the rest of the country doesn't approve,

708
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: of It doesn't matter if every one of us agrees

709
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,800
Speaker 1: with it, it's not gonna We're not going to continue

710
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: because we do not have the majority, will never have

711
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 1: the majority. It's that seventies something percent of the country

712
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,760
Speaker 1: that is not a hunter. But if proofs of hunting

713
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: that we have to make sure everything we do meets

714
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 1: their seal of approval so we can continue on and

715
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: continue funding the wildlife. We have to continue to keep

716
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 1: it on the landscape as we see today, I mean,

717
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: the best numbers ever. We are living in the good

718
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 1: old days of white tail, of black bear, of all

719
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 1: these species, this this is the most there's ever been.

720
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: And it's not across the board. I mean, clearly bison

721
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: obviously numbered far more. But if if we get so

722
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 1: hung up on well, I want to do it this

723
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: way and this should be fine, and you don't look

724
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 1: at the bigger picture we're that's far more damaging than

725
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 1: than having a civil discussion amongst hunters on a particular

726
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: tactic on how that will be viewed by the non

727
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: hunting but approving public. What what you know? I've noticed

728
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: the last several years Boon and Crockett's uh, their social

729
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: media approach and some of the things they're doing, and

730
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it seems to be a pretty big emphasis

731
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: on what we're let me ask you, what would you say,

732
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: Boone Crocketts emphasis has been to the hunting community, if

733
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: I could ask that. And I don't know if you

734
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: can sum that up in a short and I'm kind

735
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: of alluding to what you just said that that I mean,

736
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: we've really tried to take a the hunt fair Chase campaign.

737
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 1: This was something we did earlier. And is that design

738
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: as much for Are we marketing as much to non

739
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: hunters about fair Chase as we are? Two hunters? We'd

740
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 1: love to, but let's be honest, we're good at talking

741
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 1: to ourselves. And before we can take this to the

742
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 1: general public, we as the hunting community have to be

743
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: all under the same roof. And so before we can

744
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 1: take this fourth and say, here's what we are as hunters,

745
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: here's what we believe in, here's why what we're doing

746
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: is is the best pass forward for wildlife. We need

747
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: to have all the hunters say like, Hey, this is

748
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: what we're doing, this is why it matters, not you

749
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: know not a you know, well, the state law says

750
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: I can do this, So therefore I can. And if

751
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,399
Speaker 1: you don't like it too, dang bad um. That's that's

752
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 1: not gonna get us anywhere. So we're trying to get

753
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: hunters to understand what the bigger picture is, why it's

754
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 1: important to be careful about what you post on social media,

755
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,479
Speaker 1: you know, not I mean respect the animal. I I'm

756
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: not a big fan of the you know, there's people

757
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: that say, never put a kill shot on social media.

758
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: Why I don't agree. I mean that if a well

759
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 1: taken trophy photo or a kill photo sums up, could

760
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: be twenty days my moose hunt twenty days in one picture.

761
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: Sitting there on your knees, You're exhausted, you're looking at

762
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 1: a moose, you're respecting it, you're in awe of its size.

763
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:39,720
Speaker 1: That one photo has power. But that's a well taken photo.

764
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: That's not a deer hanging upside down on a chain

765
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 1: hoist over a gut bucket, you know. So think about

766
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 1: this stuff. And that's what we're trying to do is

767
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 1: get hunters together, you know. And that's what you're seeing

768
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: on social media is hey, let's think about what we're doing.

769
00:45:52,640 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: We're hunters, aren't poachers. Poachers? Are there an Boone Crocketts

770
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: social media feed is trying to make a clear distinction

771
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: that poaching is not hunting. And I mean to two hunters,

772
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: that's a pretty clear thing. But two people that don't

773
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: know anything about hunting, they they very well may have

774
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: an idea that hunters are just a bunch of outlaws.

775
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: You know. Uh No, that's super interesting stuff. Mm hmm, Becky,

776
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: you've been quiet over there. No, I love this conversation.

777
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: I think it's great because so Buona CROC is a

778
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: very small office and it's a group of incredibly hard

779
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,919
Speaker 1: working people that pretty much work behind the scenes. They're

780
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: not getting you know, their message isn't getting told as

781
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 1: well as it maybe should be. Um, all the work

782
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: they're doing for conservation, and it's great, let's get out there. Yeah, well,

783
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 1: I just know for real, when I came to Missoula

784
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: for the measuring class, I mean like I came out

785
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: of it. We actually our whole family up. We drove

786
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:07,760
Speaker 1: up from Arkansas, fourteen I think drove up from Arkansas.

787
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: We're here for three days and when I left, I

788
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: told my wife, I said, this is gonna change my

789
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: life and not not that not being not that being

790
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,240
Speaker 1: a score really changed my life. I mean, I enjoy

791
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 1: scoring big game. I don't really score that much. I'm

792
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 1: not in a hot bed of of big racks. But

793
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:31,439
Speaker 1: you know, I probably score five to seven animals a year,

794
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: and half of them don't make the book, you know.

795
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 1: But the association with the club, really it helped me

796
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: because it gave it gave it gave me the narrative.

797
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: It gave me insight to things that I was already

798
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: doing that I wouldn't have known why. I mean, you know,

799
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: like my dad, uh, you know, I mean a lot

800
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,399
Speaker 1: of things he instilled in me just as a young

801
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: hunter about taking taking an ethic those shot. I mean

802
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 1: my dad, my dad was a bow hunter. I always

803
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: say he was bow hunting for it was cool back

804
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: in the nineties seventies in Arkansas. He is like massively

805
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: concerned with ethical shots. Long before people were that was

806
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: like mainstream, you know, like and uh, and you know,

807
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: a lot of that I think comes from comes from

808
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 1: these ethics put into just respect of wildlife. This this

809
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: is a this is a this is a treasure that

810
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 1: we have access to, This is a this is a

811
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 1: shared resource. I mean a lot of these ideas, but

812
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: but so I'm just saying that the class was influential.

813
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 1: How many classes a year do y'all do? Um? We

814
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: we usually do two to three, you know. Some some

815
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: years we we have more interest, you know, than others

816
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 1: from different agencies, so we'll travel a little bit, but

817
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,839
Speaker 1: we generally do two classes a year in Missoula. And

818
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: we're also working very closely with Pope and Young now,

819
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: and so both both these organizations used the same scoring system,

820
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: and so we're working very hard with them to have

821
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: a unified front. You know, all the majors trained the same.

822
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: And again it's Pope and Young's purpose for records is

823
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 1: to promote bow hunting and and and originally it was

824
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: it was set up to prove that archery was a

825
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: viable method for harvest. And so the first the founder

826
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: of Pope and Young, Glenn St. Charles, was a member

827
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: of Boone and Crockett, which our original rules said you

828
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: had to have taken with a rifle through big game animals. Well,

829
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: Glenn St. Charles was the first club member that was

830
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:34,919
Speaker 1: accepted in that took those three animals with the bow.

831
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 1: And so he asked the club, can we use the

832
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 1: system to promote this with our record system, but it's

833
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: the same scoring. The rules are, you know, roughly the same.

834
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: And so between the two that we do and Pope

835
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:48,839
Speaker 1: and Young as she does two, we're doing about four

836
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: and now a year. And so for those who wouldn't

837
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: be familiar at all with with the scoring organizations, you

838
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: guys train measures and these measures just go back to

839
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 1: where they of Like I'm in northwest Arkansas and people

840
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: in my region can contact me to score animals for him.

841
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: I mean that's basically it. So you've got people all

842
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,760
Speaker 1: over the country and and I think it's pretty interesting.

843
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: I've found that there's a lot of guys that being

844
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: a Buona Crockett measure is like a big part of

845
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: like who they are. It's a big part of their identity.

846
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 1: They love it. I mean they in in uh and

847
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,399
Speaker 1: as I say that, I'm not saying that I don't

848
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: love it, but I'm not like traveling around to score animal.

849
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: There's guys that who is the guy. There's a guy

850
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:43,240
Speaker 1: that comes to the Arkansas. There are people that love

851
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: and they will dry. I mean they that's just what

852
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: they do. Yeah, and and and they're passionate conservationists. Yeah,

853
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 1: I think to go back to what you said about

854
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: you know, I don't score much a year. I don't.

855
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: That doesn't matter if you score one thing or things.

856
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: I think the message, that unified message of conservation that

857
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:03,240
Speaker 1: Pope Measures are sending out there is what's important. Hey,

858
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,919
Speaker 1: because the director of Records that's sitting right in front

859
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: of me, everybody, everybody that I score an animal for

860
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: it gets an earful from me about everything we're talking about.

861
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: I'm serious, I really do. I'm like, hey, did you

862
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 1: know why we're doing this? Do you know why that way?

863
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 1: And people just eat it up. They really do. And

864
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 1: that's success of Boone and Crockett. Our our staff in

865
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:31,240
Speaker 1: Missoula is thirteen. We have fourteen hundred masures. The reason

866
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: that people know what fair chases the people that the

867
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: reason that people you don't want to get stuff scored

868
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: and understand what is our majors And we can't you know,

869
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: we can't thank you guys enough for everything that you do.

870
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: And our success is purely off of the majors in

871
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 1: in the face they put forward and so it it's

872
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 1: in I mean, the majors take great pride in it.

873
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: But but they are I mean again they are They

874
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: are the Boone and Crockett Records program. It's it's not

875
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: me sitting in Missoula, you know, answering a question on

876
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: which time is going to be the beam tipper, which

877
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: is the You know that it's the majors driving that

878
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 1: message home, which is why we have the following and

879
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: in the name recognition we do. Yeah, and you know

880
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:17,720
Speaker 1: the record keeping system. Every time I score an animal,

881
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 1: usually for the people i'm scoring for, it's a once

882
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 1: in a lifetime thing. I got a guy drive last week,

883
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: had me score a bear, and he drove three hours

884
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: one way, came to my office, we scored the bear,

885
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: he drove home, and for him it was like this

886
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: was like a day. I mean I could tell when

887
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 1: he got to my office, like and I have to

888
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: remind myself. To me, it was just like, yeah, i'll

889
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: score the bear, come to my office at such and

890
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: such a time. But man, when he came, I mean,

891
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: it was like something I don't think he'll ever forget.

892
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 1: I mean, he was on pins and needles and you know,

893
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: it was scoring a bear. So it was like didn't

894
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: take very long, you know, but I was kind of

895
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 1: stretching it out, you know, kind of talking with him

896
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 1: and getting the store and don't you know what I

897
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: mean stretching, I'm out we we we uh we what

898
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: how can we say that we elongated the time that

899
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: it took just you know, took my time, you know anyway,

900
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: but it was a it was a big deal to him,

901
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 1: and I started that story. I can't remember exactly where

902
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: I was going with it, but but there it's it's

903
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: a it's a really unique place and way to meet people,

904
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,959
Speaker 1: and it's it's uh, it's a it's a lot of fun,

905
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: a lot of fun being a measure. I enjoy it.

906
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 1: I enjoy it. But we we uh yeah, we've gotta

907
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 1: before we get off of the records though, Justin, we've

908
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: got a story that we gotta get back in to tell.

909
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 1: But before we do, um, can you uh is there

910
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: anything else you'd like to say about Boone Crock just

911
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 1: for the people out here. You're a young man, Justin,

912
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: You're like in your mid thirties, all right, So, I mean,

913
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: Justin's got an incredible job. He told earlier how he

914
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,839
Speaker 1: uh kind of the short version of how he ended

915
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: up here. But I mean, you've got a really incredible job.

916
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: You were just in. You were just down in Springfield, Missouri.

917
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: We've got our thirtieth Big Game Awards. We were down

918
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: at Bass Pro Shop setting up a display. It's open

919
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 1: to the public. UM. It's at the end of every

920
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 1: three year period. We require the top five in every

921
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: category to be sent in for panel verification. This is

922
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 1: to make sure they were scored correctly. UM. And all

923
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:43,359
Speaker 1: those heads were panel judged two weeks ago. I kind

924
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: of lost track of time. I was down there for

925
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: a while, but the judges come in. It's two teams,

926
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 1: two that they verified the scoring UM and then they

927
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 1: go up on display for three months and so literally

928
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:59,760
Speaker 1: it is the the greatest collection of modern trophies taken

929
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: in time of you know, of plenty the good old days.

930
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 1: You walk in there and you look at the Elk

931
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: display in the last three years, there's there's the bulls

932
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 1: that were the top three years ago would not have

933
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: even been invited this time because the Elk had such

934
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 1: an amazing three years with the with the water available. Um.

935
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: You know, Montana had a great year. A couple of

936
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: years ago there was a four d and thirty inch

937
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 1: typical kill, the four thirty six. I believe non typical

938
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,359
Speaker 1: and these those both those bulls are there. Uh, there's

939
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,760
Speaker 1: there's a bull from the San Carlos. There's some amazing

940
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:41,720
Speaker 1: roosevelts from British Columbia. Um, you have the the largest

941
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,280
Speaker 1: sheep ever recorded. It was a picked up head from Montana,

942
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: an hour and a half north of here on Wild

943
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 1: Walls Island. Two hundred and sixteen inch big horn is

944
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 1: on display. Below it's a two oh eight, two oh five.

945
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: I mean, these these numbers are unheard of in it

946
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 1: What was the biggest bear justin Do you remember black Bear?

947
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 1: Where did it come from? Do you remember? Um? There

948
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 1: is there's a Pennsylvania Belt bear there. Um, I don't remember.

949
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 1: I did not set up that part of the display.

950
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 1: I was. I was pulled into the sheep, which I

951
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 1: was not upset about. Um, but it's Uh, there's the

952
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: largest brown bear ever taken with the bow is on

953
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 1: display there A yeah, yeah, Um that's a life size mount. Yeah,

954
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,280
Speaker 1: it's pretty impressive. So this is a bass pro shops

955
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 1: spring for the next three months and tell the the

956
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: the uh, the bank what happens August one through three.

957
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: If folks are interested in that, you can big game

958
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 1: of work. My daring just to be there. Yeah, but

959
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 1: with at least some of my family. Well again, r

960
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 1: O whims are the backbone of the program, and this

961
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 1: is our one opportunity to try to get him there

962
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: and do stuff for them. I where my booner crack

963
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:59,280
Speaker 1: at belt buckle all the time. I'm serious. People people

964
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,320
Speaker 1: at my church and they see me wear the belt buckle,

965
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: they're like, Clay's got the buckle on, and they all

966
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: know what it's for. And all the guys, I'm serious,

967
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: they come up to me and they say, Clay, I

968
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:11,320
Speaker 1: wish I could wear a belt buckle. That meant something

969
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 1: like your belt buckle. I'm serious. Like two weeks ago,

970
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 1: my buddy came up and he was like, you know,

971
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: what's cool that you've got that belt buckle, because you

972
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: know it's a Boone Crockert belt buckle. You're a boon

973
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: and crocket measer. Anybody can buy a buckle. Yeah, that's

974
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: what he was saying, because I said you should get

975
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 1: a buckle, and he was like, nope, I hadn't wrote

976
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: a bronch, or hadn't got bucked off a bull, or

977
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: hadn't become an official measurer conservations rodio man Conservation Colby.

978
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: That's the title of this podcast, Conservations a Rodeo. I

979
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 1: want to bring up one thing to that I'm an

980
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: official measure too. I bugged justin so much. I didn't

981
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: know that beca oh. I bugged him, bugged and bugged

982
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: and finally got that's awesome. But um, I think it's

983
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 1: so important that everyone knows that. No matter if you

984
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 1: have a hundred and sixty in white tail or you know,

985
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 1: world record polar bear that is in a really important

986
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:02,959
Speaker 1: data point. Then to see it as a data point

987
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: and you correct me if it wrong, justinly know we will.

988
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,439
Speaker 1: But you can you can even enter stuff anonymously into

989
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: the rect well potentially, okay, But I mean it's not

990
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: it's not all about I mean, yes, it's very cool

991
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: to have the hunter's name in the book, but it's

992
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: not all That's not what it's all about. It's really

993
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: important to have those data points. I mean, that is

994
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 1: what wildlife managers used to gauge the health of our well.

995
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 1: I mean, on her point, she's she's exactly correct. Um.

996
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 1: I was a great example. The deer, they're phenomenal. Iowa

997
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: is the land of giants. People won't even put in

998
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 1: a hundred and sixty five, undred and seventy engineer if

999
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 1: they have a one seventy five because they just think

1000
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: it's about their biggest deer getting into ranking. But when

1001
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 1: I'm looking at Iowa, you know, it is a true,

1002
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 1: true success story of what happens when you allow dear

1003
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 1: to get age. And so when it's got so good

1004
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 1: and we that bottom part of that data set drops out,

1005
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 1: it's not as strong of a case. So when we

1006
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: are talking to an anti hunter trying to make the

1007
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 1: case to somebody of of how hunting and and you

1008
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 1: know the funding that it brings in and and all

1009
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 1: the good it does for wildlife, and the reason that

1010
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 1: there is deer in everybody's yard and you know we

1011
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: we can spot a black bear off of our deck.

1012
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: I mean that is that is because of hunting. And

1013
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 1: I need that data at my fingertips to show people

1014
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 1: this is what we've done. Here's an example. Where are

1015
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: you from, Oh you're from Iowa. Let me show you

1016
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 1: what the deer there used to be in what they

1017
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: are now because of this work. So everything, every single

1018
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 1: one is very important to us. And like I said,

1019
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 1: a one sixty from a New County carries just as much,

1020
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 1: if not more weight than a two twenty typical R

1021
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 1: and and see that that's good, really good information. And

1022
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 1: I think that people ought to put See there's a

1023
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: lot of people that have a negative stigma of the records,

1024
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: and they're just like, I'm not worried about records. I don't.

1025
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,439
Speaker 1: I don't enter stuff. I mean, I hear that a lot,

1026
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 1: and I I think people, oh it too, owe it

1027
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 1: to the history of what's happened over the last hundred

1028
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: years to put a record book animal and the record book.

1029
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 1: I mean, just that a principle. It doesn't matter if

1030
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 1: you like the Boone and Crockett Club or not, you

1031
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 1: should put it in that that And obviously I'm kind

1032
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: of exaggerating to make a point because nobody just doesn't

1033
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 1: like point being I mean, I think I think if

1034
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 1: you've got a you've got an animal, it should be

1035
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 1: should be entered in. Well, you know, we talked about

1036
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 1: the opportunity for all publicly held. You you were fortunate

1037
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 1: enough to take this dere but it was everybody before

1038
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 1: you that that put in the work that made sure

1039
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 1: that the land wasn't wasn't completely stripped that the wildlife

1040
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 1: was even there and was able to grow. And so

1041
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 1: your name next to it. Yeah, that's that's admirable to say.

1042
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 1: I don't care if my name is in a book,

1043
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 1: but you know that county and that date. There's so

1044
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 1: much that goes into that that that everybody that got

1045
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 1: that there deserve to be recognized. And by you not

1046
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 1: not putting that into the data set, you're kind of

1047
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 1: disregarding their contribution to what gave you the opportunity to

1048
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 1: experience that today. So, UM, the I keep forgetting. What

1049
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 1: we're calling at the banquet is that the Big Game

1050
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 1: Awards thirty Big Game Awards in early August, what so

1051
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 1: that so people if they came there, they would be

1052
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 1: able to see all the see all the heads. But

1053
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 1: there's also an actual banquet and maybe if you have

1054
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 1: a ticket and there's speakers. Who's speaking this year? UM

1055
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 1: the s the Saturday Night banquet is Craig Boddington is

1056
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 1: then seeing that UM Friday Night we do. We started

1057
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 1: this four awards programs ago. Any youth hunter sixteen or

1058
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 1: younger that takes a qualifying trophy is asked to come

1059
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 1: and it's displayed and they're called up and and it's

1060
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 1: not a you know, we don't even we don't score them.

1061
01:01:58,160 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 1: I mean, the scores are on there, but we do

1062
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 1: our beat us to say, you know, it's it's not

1063
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 1: about the biggest this is about a young hunter having

1064
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 1: this opportunity, getting us and trying to show them this

1065
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 1: whole conservation mission. But that's Friday Night, um oh, which

1066
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 1: has been the best event. It has been c J

1067
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 1: c J. Buck buck Knives third or fourth generation is

1068
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 1: the MC that evening. Um. Melissa Bachman, Um, she's the

1069
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 1: she's the keynote that night, um, and folks are welcome,

1070
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 1: and you know, we we encourage, we encourage as many

1071
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 1: people as can come and show show those youths your appreciation,

1072
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 1: you know, and and and and there and how amazing

1073
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 1: this accomplishment is. And so we want to have just

1074
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:48,520
Speaker 1: as many, if not more people in the seats Friday

1075
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 1: night as Saturday night, which are the top heads. Both

1076
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:54,439
Speaker 1: events are amazing. But yeah, Big Game Awards dot Com.

1077
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 1: If you're anywhere near Springfield, it's it's it's literally the

1078
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 1: best of the best and the best time for wildlife,

1079
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 1: bigger and bigger and more than ever. I mean, that's

1080
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 1: That's what we're kind of saying about this awards because

1081
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 1: every year it just gets better and better. The trophies,

1082
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 1: the top end specimens, trophies that are entered are higher quality,

1083
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 1: they're healthier, there's better habitat and this is in the

1084
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 1: face of an expanding population. You know, it's just amazing.

1085
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 1: Everything about it cool, very cool. Well, I'm gonna do

1086
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 1: the best I can do to get there, and so

1087
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 1: that'll be fun. Well, didn't Becca tell you that was

1088
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 1: the stipulation for staying at the house and getting food

1089
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 1: as you had to come to the awards. I'll tell

1090
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 1: I'll tell that to my family. Might just might get

1091
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 1: another really cool buckle. I don't know. Oh, I didn't

1092
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 1: even want to ask. Well, you know, and as an

1093
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 1: official major, there's some other things coming some some some

1094
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 1: unique items. As a thank you to you guys for

1095
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 1: a club, that would be awesome whatever that would be. Um, okay,

1096
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 1: switching gears just a little bit. You guys. We're just

1097
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 1: having dinner and you guys were telling me about your

1098
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 1: caribou hunt in Alaska Drop Camp caribou hunt. Um, we

1099
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 1: don't have to go into that. I know you could

1100
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 1: talk for hours, but you guys both took incredible Caribou

1101
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 1: was at last August. Yeah, yeah, so Becca. The reason

1102
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 1: Beck is on this podcast is Becca is a very serious,

1103
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 1: very good hunter, I mean for real and uh, very

1104
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 1: lucky to have a pack mule in Justin as well. Yes,

1105
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 1: we did learn that the only reason she married Justine

1106
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 1: because he can carry big chunks of meat. At one time,

1107
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 1: that was half of it. The other half was she

1108
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 1: thought switching her last name to mine might give her

1109
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 1: better draws because you're good. So she's like, well, if

1110
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 1: I switched my name, maybe I'll poll a tag. Yeah,

1111
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 1: and still waiting on that one, but that's okay, So Becca,

1112
01:04:56,800 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 1: tell us give give me like a like a five

1113
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 1: minute version or longer of your your carib behind. Last

1114
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 1: of all, I just I honestly don't have enough adject

1115
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 1: ADJECTI to describe how awesome that hunt was. So we

1116
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:10,960
Speaker 1: had planned this, you know, it took a probably year

1117
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,080
Speaker 1: to plan, but yeah, we just did a fly out

1118
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:16,920
Speaker 1: out of a drop camp, out of battles and just

1119
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 1: with a couple other buddies and it's just fantastic. You know,

1120
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 1: we just brought our own gear and just tried to

1121
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 1: do it. As you know, on our own as we could,

1122
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 1: and got dropped on this fantastic little lake. Um and

1123
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 1: uh just started seeing cariboo right away, and uh, I

1124
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:33,920
Speaker 1: had spotted we so Alaska, you can't hunt the day

1125
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 1: you fly in, right, And so we got our camp

1126
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 1: set up whatever, have had dinner and just having a

1127
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 1: fantastic time on the thunder And I spotted a real

1128
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 1: giant bowl on one of the surrounding mountains and like, wow,

1129
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 1: that's a beautiful bowl. But he's not going to be

1130
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 1: there s tomorm morning when our tags are legal. He's

1131
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 1: just it's the it's the caribou migration, yes, and we're

1132
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:53,440
Speaker 1: kind of the tail end. You're hitting the tail end

1133
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 1: of the migration. Yeah, But I mean there's cariboo just

1134
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 1: for the most part. It seems like they just don't

1135
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 1: stand still, you know, they're just one And as he's

1136
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 1: not going to be there, he or she is not

1137
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 1: going to be there another hour. And so I I

1138
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 1: spent until at the last minute of daylight. I spent

1139
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 1: with you know, binoculars on how far away, Oh, he's

1140
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 1: probably mile away. Really, it was pretty pretty good tundra.

1141
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 1: That's a pretty big chunk of ground. Yes, the tundra

1142
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 1: will kick your butt every day of the week. It's incredible.

1143
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 1: If you can't describe what the tunder is like walking on,

1144
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 1: it's just it's a is it kind of like walking

1145
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 1: up a Montana slope about seventy degrees, just in a

1146
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 1: different way. It's a different, different StairMaster. Yeah, it's just

1147
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,000
Speaker 1: it was just constantly trying to break your ankles and

1148
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 1: you're constantly fallen in wet holes, and it's just yeah,

1149
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 1: it's just it's difficult, very difficult terrain, and you got

1150
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 1: to cover a lot of country to get these caribou.

1151
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 1: She what she didn't say is is the other three

1152
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 1: of us we knew we could start hunting first thing

1153
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 1: in the morning, and we've all gone to bed. All

1154
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 1: these suckers were in bed and she's like, nope, I'm

1155
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 1: gonna keep glassing. She's watching And what was he doing.

1156
01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:58,160
Speaker 1: He was just kind of hanging out. He was feeding. Yeah,

1157
01:06:58,160 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 1: he was up on this he was pretty pretty high

1158
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:01,320
Speaker 1: on this mountain. He was just kind of feeding around,

1159
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 1: just kind of staying. He was kind of staying in

1160
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 1: the same area. He was all by himself, and just

1161
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 1: I had told the guys before the trip, Like we

1162
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 1: were kind of talking about like, hey, what kind of

1163
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 1: caribo are you? Guys, Like, what are you looking for

1164
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 1: in a carib But I was like, I'm looking for

1165
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 1: a double shovel and Justin was like, oh, you're not

1166
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 1: going to get one then, because you know that's it's

1167
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 1: not I was. I wasn't quite that blunt about it.

1168
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 1: I think I think I said, well, um, that's kind

1169
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 1: of the really so double shovel is not normal enough

1170
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 1: that you thought you'd see one? Well, so, I mean

1171
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 1: the scoring system we were talked about rewarding that there's

1172
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:35,240
Speaker 1: no deduction on on a single shovel because it's common

1173
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 1: thing for them to have a single underdeveloped shovel on

1174
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 1: one side. And and you know, my joke was what

1175
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 1: type of caribou are you looking for? Well, a like

1176
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:47,920
Speaker 1: a caribou. We've never been there. It was like, I'd

1177
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 1: love to take a caribou, you know, And it's like

1178
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 1: I really want a double shovel, and you don't, you know,

1179
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 1: you don't want your wife to be let down. And

1180
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:56,480
Speaker 1: I had to explain to her like, well we'll try,

1181
01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 1: but you know, don't don't hold your breath and tell

1182
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:02,240
Speaker 1: us what the double shovel is. Yeah, so cabul have

1183
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 1: these fantastic antlers that so they have the first kind

1184
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 1: of I guess you call the g one probably comes

1185
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 1: kind of throughout. It's a big flat bladed structure. Um,

1186
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:12,360
Speaker 1: but if it's you know, if it's an actual shovel,

1187
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:14,680
Speaker 1: sometimes they'll just be a single point as well. But

1188
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:16,519
Speaker 1: so a double shovel would be has these two big

1189
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 1: blades that come out like they're g one of these

1190
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:20,759
Speaker 1: two big blades, and they use those for like scraping

1191
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:25,639
Speaker 1: around in the tundra, and then they're using those for feeding. Yeah,

1192
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 1: has actual feeding purpose, I believe, right, I don't know,

1193
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 1: I don't know. I probably shouldn't have said that. And

1194
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:32,760
Speaker 1: then they're g one is called the bez or the bay,

1195
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:35,280
Speaker 1: and those are like kind of more big curving the

1196
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:41,400
Speaker 1: second time the second yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not even

1197
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 1: gonna open my mouth about scoring caribou and they're more

1198
01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 1: of a big curving kind of palmated situation that's coming

1199
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:50,720
Speaker 1: out that kind of curves around the shovels. Yeah, and

1200
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 1: they're just yeah, but anyway, double shovel was just Caribou

1201
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 1: have the most of all the big game animals that

1202
01:08:57,160 --> 01:09:01,320
Speaker 1: we score. It's the most bizarre. Are a set of

1203
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:05,880
Speaker 1: antlers that probably wherever created. I mean, they really are

1204
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:09,680
Speaker 1: such such irregularity. I mean, like caribou, like you know,

1205
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 1: ten point white tail rack is kind of standard, but

1206
01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:17,439
Speaker 1: I mean like there are there there would be like

1207
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:20,599
Speaker 1: a stereotypical caribou wreck. But I mean even there's just

1208
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 1: so much, there's so much uniqueness to him. Every one

1209
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:27,640
Speaker 1: of them, you know, looks looks completely different. And she

1210
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:29,920
Speaker 1: just pretty much found the best one on the tundra

1211
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 1: the first time on this hill and there's this beautiful

1212
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:35,559
Speaker 1: double shovel bowl with a big old white man just

1213
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:39,240
Speaker 1: you know, but so you you watched him until dark,

1214
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:41,599
Speaker 1: until I though I had no more light left, and

1215
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:43,800
Speaker 1: I was like six, said I waved at him and said,

1216
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 1: well did I literally did? That is awesome? I can

1217
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 1: see you doing that, you know. I find I find

1218
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 1: that I salute things like like if I'm like, I'll

1219
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 1: be by myself and like I'll like, I'd be like,

1220
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 1: for sure he deserves beautiful. Yeah. But then so next

1221
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:08,160
Speaker 1: morning I get you know, of course we're all fired up, right,

1222
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:09,840
Speaker 1: so I'm up there first thing, you know, and of

1223
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:12,240
Speaker 1: course it didn't really get all that dark. But anyway, up,

1224
01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 1: I'm up. I don't know. And so is there regulated

1225
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:19,519
Speaker 1: shooting time during that time in Alaska? Three am? I

1226
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 1: think is what the requirement is. Um, there's no, there's

1227
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 1: no shooting hours, but you can't use artificial light or anything.

1228
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:29,599
Speaker 1: And it never really got dark dark, so you could

1229
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:33,400
Speaker 1: see just not great. I mean, you know, so, so

1230
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:36,360
Speaker 1: technically you could have you could shoot an animal anytime

1231
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:38,559
Speaker 1: during a twenty four hour period. Is that what you're saying?

1232
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:45,360
Speaker 1: Your time period for the three You cannot fly unless

1233
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 1: you're in a commercially scheduled flight. You cannot hunt until

1234
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:51,720
Speaker 1: three am the following day? Got it? Beyond that? It's

1235
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 1: hunters choice, kind of like, if you think that you

1236
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 1: can see that animals safe, you can. That's why I

1237
01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:59,880
Speaker 1: love Alaska. Many reasons to alka. But so I get

1238
01:10:59,920 --> 01:11:01,679
Speaker 1: a in the morning and I just I honestly didn't

1239
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:03,160
Speaker 1: even look up on the hill. I was like, he's gone,

1240
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna. I was focused on coffee. I'm gonna

1241
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:06,760
Speaker 1: get some coffee and breakfast going. So I went and

1242
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:09,600
Speaker 1: a little tarp and you know, got breakfast cranking. And

1243
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 1: then after things were kind of settled down there. I

1244
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 1: got out the binos, and this thing's coming down towards camp.

1245
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 1: He's hiking closer to camp. I just couldn't believe it, Like, yeah,

1246
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:23,479
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it. And so the rule was whoever

1247
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:26,960
Speaker 1: saw the cariboo was able to claim it. Well, I

1248
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:29,679
Speaker 1: think there was kind of what we're going for. Yeah,

1249
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 1: I think it was, you know, shot it kind of thing. Yeah, yeah,

1250
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:36,680
Speaker 1: and then so and well were kind of scared. So

1251
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:38,200
Speaker 1: we woke up to frost. We woke up to a

1252
01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:39,760
Speaker 1: really cold morning. We had all kind of been kind

1253
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:41,120
Speaker 1: of cold throughout the night. It was a little bit

1254
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:42,760
Speaker 1: colder than we were anticipating. So we're all kind of

1255
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:45,559
Speaker 1: huddling around coffee cups and having a breakfast burrito, kind

1256
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:50,880
Speaker 1: of thinking, I don't know if we quite dressed. What

1257
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:54,960
Speaker 1: was the temperature eighteen or nineteen? I mean it was

1258
01:11:55,960 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 1: everything was frozen, like good and frozen. And we all

1259
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:02,840
Speaker 1: had everything that we brought on expecting a little more

1260
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:06,800
Speaker 1: mild temperatures, and there was there was a look of

1261
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 1: panic in all of our eyes, like, oh, seven days

1262
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:12,920
Speaker 1: of this we didn't and it's the tundra. There's no trees,

1263
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:16,280
Speaker 1: there's no firewood. Like you, you're kind of stuck with

1264
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 1: what you have, what you're prepared for. So so yeah,

1265
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:21,840
Speaker 1: we kind were sitting around having our breakfast and it

1266
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 1: became apparent that this cariber was going to just try

1267
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:25,880
Speaker 1: to run us over in camp, and Justin I decided

1268
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:27,799
Speaker 1: we'd head towards that cariboo and then our own buddies

1269
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 1: they'd had the other way on the lake and you know,

1270
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:31,920
Speaker 1: see what was going on there, said of lake, and yeah,

1271
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:33,840
Speaker 1: we took off after this, and Justin was able to

1272
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:36,760
Speaker 1: gave me honors on it. And uh, well we kind

1273
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:38,960
Speaker 1: of the cariboul kind of because he was walked right

1274
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 1: towards our lake and we kind of he kind of

1275
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:42,040
Speaker 1: walked into the valley of doom. There was no way

1276
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:43,679
Speaker 1: he was getting out of there without a boom, and

1277
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:46,800
Speaker 1: so Justin kind of went around one side and I

1278
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:49,360
Speaker 1: was able to sneak keep getting ridges on, getting ridges on,

1279
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:50,840
Speaker 1: and it got right up in his grill. He came

1280
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:53,120
Speaker 1: over this last ridge at you know, about sixty yards,

1281
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 1: and I was I was able to actually, I was

1282
01:12:57,320 --> 01:12:59,519
Speaker 1: so excited. His head came over the ridge and his

1283
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:02,160
Speaker 1: neck and I didn't even wait. I just I just

1284
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 1: put one right in that. I was just too excited.

1285
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:08,000
Speaker 1: He just dropped right there and it was just just

1286
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:10,800
Speaker 1: just covered on the back back end. If he would

1287
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:13,519
Speaker 1: have if you have thought about going a different direction,

1288
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 1: he was not going to get away. But yeah, it

1289
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:17,080
Speaker 1: was just too exciting. And then to have some camp

1290
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:19,760
Speaker 1: meat already, it was just like to be able to

1291
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:21,800
Speaker 1: have caribeutender wine sitting on that lake in the thunder

1292
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:24,040
Speaker 1: was just like, I don't know if like the best

1293
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:27,240
Speaker 1: thing ever pretty much. So he was velvet, full velvet,

1294
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 1: full velvet. Yeah, but uh yeah, did you are you

1295
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:34,599
Speaker 1: gonna get him mounted in full velvet? Yeah? What? Um So,

1296
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:36,519
Speaker 1: since we killed him on the first day, it was

1297
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:38,719
Speaker 1: kind of like, yeah this, you know, there's no probably

1298
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:40,800
Speaker 1: not be able to preserve the velvet. Um. So I

1299
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:42,640
Speaker 1: did end up stripping the velvet camp and it came

1300
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:44,439
Speaker 1: off pretty easy, Like it was it was apparent that

1301
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:48,280
Speaker 1: he was probably going to be stripping soon and uh so, yeah,

1302
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:50,040
Speaker 1: I stripped it all off and then I'm actually getting

1303
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 1: the reproduction velvet put on it, and it's actually the

1304
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:56,599
Speaker 1: amount will be done soon and wow, that'll be that'll

1305
01:13:56,680 --> 01:14:00,120
Speaker 1: look incredible. How how talk like if that if we

1306
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:03,920
Speaker 1: had those horns in here right now, how tall would

1307
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:10,000
Speaker 1: they be? Four tall? Yeah? Probably? Yeah, I mean it

1308
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:15,080
Speaker 1: we we we got back and you know, so for

1309
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:17,680
Speaker 1: Boone and Crockett scoring, if you split the skull, if

1310
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:19,479
Speaker 1: you saw the skull all the way through, it can't

1311
01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:22,920
Speaker 1: be officially majored. And so we got it back. And

1312
01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:26,400
Speaker 1: I've when I was younger, I was hunting with a

1313
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:28,160
Speaker 1: buddy and he shot it here poorly, and the very

1314
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:29,800
Speaker 1: first thing he did was pulled out a tape major

1315
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 1: and it really has bothered me to this day, like, no,

1316
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:35,519
Speaker 1: that's not what it's about as a tape major. So

1317
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 1: it was even hard for me to do it. But

1318
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:38,519
Speaker 1: I'm like, we're going to score it to make sure

1319
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:41,960
Speaker 1: this isn't you know before we split the skull of

1320
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:44,640
Speaker 1: this is Boone and Crockett or not. But it was.

1321
01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:49,040
Speaker 1: It was a three ninety class cariboo with the velvet

1322
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:53,080
Speaker 1: just missed the book. But it just an absolute giant.

1323
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:55,280
Speaker 1: I mean no, it didn't didn't quite make it. But

1324
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:58,640
Speaker 1: there's nobody that doesn't shoot that bull first day, you know,

1325
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:01,880
Speaker 1: even if you're killed new risk caribou. And again, I mean,

1326
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:03,800
Speaker 1: it's not about a number it's it would be cool

1327
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 1: if it went. It didn't, but I means, just beautiful,

1328
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:11,320
Speaker 1: beautiful bull of my dreams. I can't believe it, you know.

1329
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 1: So he's gonna go right here. Yeah, okay, And so

1330
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:19,160
Speaker 1: when did you kill the little bull you killed? Just

1331
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:25,639
Speaker 1: so that was like day three and after she justin

1332
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:28,880
Speaker 1: killed a big bull, justin killed the bull that I

1333
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:31,240
Speaker 1: was kind of expecting. It's a it's a nice cariboo,

1334
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:36,240
Speaker 1: you know, just kind of average bull what we saw.

1335
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:37,880
Speaker 1: But that's what I was kind of thinking. We've never

1336
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:42,320
Speaker 1: done it on our own. Just get dropped off, like, okay,

1337
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:43,840
Speaker 1: we may have a little bit of knowledge of what

1338
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:45,920
Speaker 1: a big cariboo looks like, but beyond that, like we

1339
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 1: don't know how to hunt these things. And so it

1340
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:49,719
Speaker 1: was day three and we let a lot of bulls

1341
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 1: go on day two, and it was one of those

1342
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:54,760
Speaker 1: things that I was thinking to myself, if I wait

1343
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:57,559
Speaker 1: and try to outdo my wife, I'm gonna go home

1344
01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:01,519
Speaker 1: with tag soup. And so this bowl happened to be

1345
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:05,800
Speaker 1: coming towards camp and it was fairly entertaining. We'd come

1346
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:07,640
Speaker 1: back to camp for lunch. I don't Knowmber why we

1347
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:09,880
Speaker 1: were there, but we were all sitting around having a sandwich,

1348
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:12,080
Speaker 1: and I decided to just wander out from the tent

1349
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:14,120
Speaker 1: to a high point in glass and this heard of,

1350
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:17,800
Speaker 1: like ten caribou is just coming at a clip right

1351
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:20,160
Speaker 1: over towards camp. So I turned to run back and

1352
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:23,120
Speaker 1: like Becca said, the tender is full of holes and whatnot,

1353
01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:25,960
Speaker 1: and made it three or four steps, and then the

1354
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 1: top half got going faster than the bottom half and

1355
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 1: I went down in a heap and came up, you know,

1356
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:33,720
Speaker 1: and they couldn't figure out what was happening. So they

1357
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:36,799
Speaker 1: can't like my running. Beca says that when Justin runs,

1358
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:39,559
Speaker 1: it's scary. I was concerned. Yes, it's always concerned because

1359
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:41,200
Speaker 1: he's a big guy and he can run really fast,

1360
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 1: and it is always like, I'm not, I don't know

1361
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 1: what I need to do. What you should do when

1362
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:52,320
Speaker 1: you see Justice Spring running, it's get him a rifle, yes,

1363
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 1: And that's what I did, and I grabbed this back

1364
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:58,599
Speaker 1: back and we went. But I mean her her bow

1365
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:01,519
Speaker 1: always talked from camp. This one ended up coming pretty

1366
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:04,439
Speaker 1: darn close and a couple hundred yards maybe two three

1367
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:07,040
Speaker 1: yards where he was set up, and got a shot

1368
01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:10,920
Speaker 1: at him. Um basically all four cariboo. We we hunted

1369
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:13,559
Speaker 1: and hiked around and and did all that, but all

1370
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:15,280
Speaker 1: four of them ended up. You know, you could see

1371
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 1: from where we were camped where all four of these

1372
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:20,040
Speaker 1: bulls ended up. That just sounds like a dream hunt.

1373
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:22,360
Speaker 1: So it was you couldn't you couldn't script a better

1374
01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 1: hunt too. How common would you say it would be

1375
01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:29,080
Speaker 1: for somebody go up there and kind of do the

1376
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:30,920
Speaker 1: same type of thing you did for them to find

1377
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:33,080
Speaker 1: that kind of success. I mean maybe not a near

1378
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:36,400
Speaker 1: Boone and Crockett Cariboo, but just like and I'm asking

1379
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:39,800
Speaker 1: this for like personal reasons, I would say, if if

1380
01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:42,200
Speaker 1: if you have a good outfitter, they're going to put

1381
01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 1: you where the carib are. So this was this was

1382
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 1: this was a drop was There wasn't an outfitted hunt transporter.

1383
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:53,240
Speaker 1: So there are services A lot of people I wouldn't

1384
01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:56,200
Speaker 1: have known this six seven years ago, that there are

1385
01:17:56,240 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 1: services in Alaska that you pay a small some comparatively

1386
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:06,439
Speaker 1: to an outfit. And yeah, I mean basically you're paying

1387
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:10,360
Speaker 1: for their their services to take you into you know,

1388
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 1: you can do it with moose, you do the caribou um.

1389
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:18,200
Speaker 1: So that's what you did us. The transport services. They

1390
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:20,599
Speaker 1: just dropped you off and we'll be back in seven days.

1391
01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:24,200
Speaker 1: There's a very specific rules. I mean they can't they

1392
01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:26,719
Speaker 1: can't help you load your meat. They can't, they can't

1393
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:29,879
Speaker 1: give you any direction. I mean they're purely there for safety.

1394
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:31,479
Speaker 1: You can call them. You know, we were we were

1395
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:35,800
Speaker 1: scheduled for seven days, you know the North Slope. I mean,

1396
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:38,840
Speaker 1: wea there's an issue. The day that we got the

1397
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:41,880
Speaker 1: guy killed the fourth bull, I you know, I got

1398
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:43,800
Speaker 1: back to We went and helped him pack and back

1399
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:46,679
Speaker 1: and I got back to camp and there was planes flying,

1400
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:50,280
Speaker 1: and so we we called the outfitter and the transporter

1401
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:53,160
Speaker 1: and said, hey, you know, we're killed out. We see

1402
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:55,720
Speaker 1: a lot of your planes flying. Can you, uh, do

1403
01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:57,519
Speaker 1: you have an empty that you could take some meat back?

1404
01:18:57,560 --> 01:18:58,880
Speaker 1: They have a meat cooler, and I was you know,

1405
01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:01,160
Speaker 1: the meat was dry, and we we took very good

1406
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:03,400
Speaker 1: care of it. But you're still worried. You don't go

1407
01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:04,679
Speaker 1: all the way up there. You don't want to waste

1408
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:06,360
Speaker 1: the caribous. I was like, hey, can we get our

1409
01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:09,200
Speaker 1: meat out? Maybe we'll stay in fish or whatever. And

1410
01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:12,559
Speaker 1: they happen to have an otter, which is to Haveln's

1411
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:15,160
Speaker 1: biggest floatplane that you can basically drive a truck onto

1412
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:17,280
Speaker 1: and fly it out and there happens to have a

1413
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:20,960
Speaker 1: thousand horsepower upgrade, which is the most awesome plane ever.

1414
01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:24,800
Speaker 1: M Yeah, so that's another one of the backest thing.

1415
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:27,800
Speaker 1: She actually was was almost ready to solo to become

1416
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:31,479
Speaker 1: a floatplane pilot too, and she was, yeah, my wife's

1417
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:34,920
Speaker 1: kind of an all star, so anyway, but they said yeah,

1418
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:37,559
Speaker 1: and so within three hours of that caribou getting back

1419
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:40,679
Speaker 1: to camp, we had everything broke down, thrown on the plane,

1420
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:42,880
Speaker 1: and in five days we're flowing back to battles. So

1421
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:48,680
Speaker 1: it was that's an incredible if you're if you just

1422
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:51,040
Speaker 1: go up there and think that they're just gonna wander

1423
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:53,960
Speaker 1: up to you, you're gonna be disappointed. If you're in shape,

1424
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:57,680
Speaker 1: if you're willing to hunt, you know. I mean, yeah,

1425
01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:00,439
Speaker 1: we got very lucky and got them very close camp.

1426
01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:04,759
Speaker 1: But the other guys were with They put on twenty

1427
01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:08,280
Speaker 1: miles on that tundra, you know, and you can't see it,

1428
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:10,920
Speaker 1: so it's rolling hills, so like you move around and

1429
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:13,000
Speaker 1: you can see new country. I mean, sometimes I think

1430
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:15,120
Speaker 1: a tundra, I think of being down some big valley

1431
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:17,160
Speaker 1: where well, we were in a valley and and we

1432
01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:19,040
Speaker 1: were we were one side of us was was the

1433
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:21,200
Speaker 1: edge of of an area that we couldn't hunt. It's

1434
01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:24,519
Speaker 1: only open for locals. Um. And then we had a

1435
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:27,280
Speaker 1: mountain range in front of us and behind us. And

1436
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:29,960
Speaker 1: these these caribou when they migrate, it's not straight line.

1437
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:31,800
Speaker 1: I mean they're going this way, they're going that way.

1438
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:33,840
Speaker 1: They're going up the mountain, they're coming down the mountain,

1439
01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:35,760
Speaker 1: they're going back up the mountain. Just got you gotta

1440
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:38,320
Speaker 1: go out and right and and you know, we could

1441
01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:39,880
Speaker 1: see a lot of country and we ended up in

1442
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:43,280
Speaker 1: a good spot. But you're not going to be, you know,

1443
01:20:43,479 --> 01:20:45,240
Speaker 1: middle aged and out of shape and be able to

1444
01:20:45,240 --> 01:20:47,040
Speaker 1: go up there and hunt hard for seven days and

1445
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:48,599
Speaker 1: do what you have to do to kill a cariboo.

1446
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:51,360
Speaker 1: That being said, you can get lucky and you know,

1447
01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:53,120
Speaker 1: just have a trip of a lifetime like we've had.

1448
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:57,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I saw two wolverines and muskoks, seven grizzly bears.

1449
01:20:57,320 --> 01:21:01,160
Speaker 1: I mean it was amazing, amazing. How big is a caribou?

1450
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:05,880
Speaker 1: Four hundred pounds? Five pounds? Tiny, smaller, smaller big meal here?

1451
01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:12,879
Speaker 1: No really, Yeah, They're not a big pounds, very fluffy.

1452
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:20,400
Speaker 1: Their height is very thick, um bug, just big. Think

1453
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:23,519
Speaker 1: it scared me. I wasn't sure if I should get

1454
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:27,479
Speaker 1: him a rifle. Justin Justin just started swatting profusely in

1455
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:31,080
Speaker 1: the air and paused after your question back and I

1456
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 1: both didn't know what to do. You know, we see,

1457
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:37,880
Speaker 1: I I would have thought of cariboo would have weighed

1458
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:40,680
Speaker 1: four or five pounds. They were not. They were not.

1459
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:45,160
Speaker 1: So that's actually avantage just for for hauling out. For

1460
01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:48,320
Speaker 1: hauling out was not like killing a moose. The one

1461
01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:51,760
Speaker 1: guy that won the third third one we got in

1462
01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:55,040
Speaker 1: the second because bowl between mine and Becca's um. He

1463
01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:56,640
Speaker 1: shot across the river and they had to do a

1464
01:21:56,720 --> 01:21:59,800
Speaker 1: river crossing, which was super sketchy, you know, like very

1465
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:01,880
Speaker 1: off of the hip waiters. They were soaking wet. They'd

1466
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:04,600
Speaker 1: been hiking all day. So we've met him, and you know,

1467
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:06,559
Speaker 1: they were obviously tired, and so I just started putting

1468
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:08,960
Speaker 1: the meat in my pack. I had the majority of

1469
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:11,519
Speaker 1: that caribouan and it was it was not that much

1470
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:13,559
Speaker 1: you know bone. I mean, it wasn't boned out. You

1471
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:15,519
Speaker 1: have to leave the meat on the bone. But I

1472
01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:18,080
Speaker 1: think I had three quarters in there and definitely could

1473
01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:20,280
Speaker 1: have taken more. It wasn't like an elk or anything

1474
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:22,479
Speaker 1: where you know one quarter is going to be a

1475
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:27,240
Speaker 1: full load. Well that's a that's a great story. That

1476
01:22:27,240 --> 01:22:32,280
Speaker 1: that shows what you guys I love to do. I mean,

1477
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:37,639
Speaker 1: we're sitting here and we've got moose and bear and uh,

1478
01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:40,720
Speaker 1: mountain goats, and I mean, you guys are you guys

1479
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:43,360
Speaker 1: are hunters. So that's that's pretty cool that you guys

1480
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:45,880
Speaker 1: as a couple went up there and did that. Not many,

1481
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:49,760
Speaker 1: not very few couples that I know would have done that,

1482
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:52,439
Speaker 1: and both people enjoyed it. I don't know, it's pretty

1483
01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:55,040
Speaker 1: similar to you and Misty just coming up here. You've

1484
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:56,200
Speaker 1: been up here a couple of times now. We just

1485
01:22:56,240 --> 01:22:58,479
Speaker 1: came and jump in first and just went for it.

1486
01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:00,040
Speaker 1: You know. I'm really impressed with that. You know, it

1487
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:01,960
Speaker 1: was really like just went for it with a very

1488
01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:04,920
Speaker 1: little information, just went for it, and then you worked

1489
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:08,040
Speaker 1: hard and panned up. Yeah, what she's referring to is

1490
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:13,760
Speaker 1: in twenty did we decide of his fifteen? My wife, Misty,

1491
01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:16,720
Speaker 1: we drove up all the way from Arkansas and on

1492
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:21,040
Speaker 1: justin Rebecca's recommendation, went back into an area and hunted

1493
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:23,519
Speaker 1: for I think we only hunted for five days, but

1494
01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:26,000
Speaker 1: we totally we left the truck. We didn't come back

1495
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:29,960
Speaker 1: for five days. And uh, to this day, Misty talks

1496
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:32,679
Speaker 1: about that. And now Misty is not a big hunter.

1497
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:35,400
Speaker 1: I mean she she loves to go with me, she

1498
01:23:35,479 --> 01:23:39,559
Speaker 1: loves to support me, she loves eating wild game. But

1499
01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:42,760
Speaker 1: you know, she's not like, let's go hunting. But she

1500
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:46,040
Speaker 1: wanted to come to Montana on this hunt, but there

1501
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 1: were just too many. She runs a school and there

1502
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:51,200
Speaker 1: was just so much going on. Uh, and she's getting

1503
01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:54,200
Speaker 1: her PhD two, so she just couldn't couldn't swing it.

1504
01:23:54,240 --> 01:23:58,280
Speaker 1: So I had to bring Kolby. Yeah, Kolby's Kolby's a

1505
01:23:58,320 --> 01:24:03,599
Speaker 1: great guy at all, but he's no missynkem R. Colby.

1506
01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:07,000
Speaker 1: Kobe doesn't have his microphone. He can't defend himself. If

1507
01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:10,519
Speaker 1: I could you wait till the podcast when we talk

1508
01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:15,599
Speaker 1: about Kolbe. This guy, he's not fast, but he's tough

1509
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 1: as a brick. He really is. He wasn't prepared for

1510
01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:22,679
Speaker 1: this hunt at all. But anyway, missing and I missing,

1511
01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:24,559
Speaker 1: and I come up here and did this A couple

1512
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 1: of years ago, and uh so it was a lot

1513
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:29,040
Speaker 1: of fun and she would like to come back. She

1514
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:32,360
Speaker 1: wants to come back. So and when I tell her

1515
01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:35,840
Speaker 1: about the hospitality, I already have. If you talk to

1516
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:38,400
Speaker 1: Missy right now, Becca, she would say. Every time I

1517
01:24:38,439 --> 01:24:40,320
Speaker 1: talked to her, I tell her what you've fed us

1518
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:42,799
Speaker 1: and what we and we've been in the back country

1519
01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:47,320
Speaker 1: for I think for we stayed here to nights four

1520
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:49,840
Speaker 1: of six, but we were kind of coming coming and

1521
01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:53,160
Speaker 1: going going to different areas doing a few different things.

1522
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:59,759
Speaker 1: But but anyway, super super appreciate the hospitality for sure.

1523
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:02,720
Speaker 1: Fantastic avenue here. And yeah, I hope you missed you

1524
01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:07,400
Speaker 1: come back. Yeah, so so so Beck. Or you're on

1525
01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:11,160
Speaker 1: a you're on a bear hunting podcast. Yeah, there's a

1526
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:15,519
Speaker 1: story that you have about a bear that your husband

1527
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:18,679
Speaker 1: loves to tell because it just shows how awesome you are. Angry,

1528
01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:21,080
Speaker 1: so and middle again, tell us the story. We can

1529
01:25:21,160 --> 01:25:25,160
Speaker 1: end on this. We've we've uh yeah, we we got

1530
01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:28,599
Speaker 1: to hear the full story of this though. So, um,

1531
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:30,760
Speaker 1: Justin is from the We're Gonna Coast. When we got

1532
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:33,439
Speaker 1: out of college, we went met in college in Wisconsin.

1533
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:35,880
Speaker 1: We went to find jobs on the We're gonna coast

1534
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:38,120
Speaker 1: because it seems like a good idea, and you haven't

1535
01:25:38,120 --> 01:25:39,519
Speaker 1: had a job. And I got a job with a

1536
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:44,560
Speaker 1: we both we both have degrees in wildlife biology natural resources.

1537
01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:47,920
Speaker 1: She also has g and science, so natural resource jobs

1538
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:49,800
Speaker 1: is what we were looking for. So yeah, and I

1539
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:51,680
Speaker 1: got a job with a private consulting firm that was

1540
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:55,040
Speaker 1: doing service for Marvel Murlett's And these are if for

1541
01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:58,679
Speaker 1: people don't know, they're these kind of I guess locally

1542
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:03,439
Speaker 1: endangered burr seabirds that fly inland for some crazy reason

1543
01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:05,679
Speaker 1: to lay a single egg on an old growth tree

1544
01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:09,200
Speaker 1: in on the coastal ranges. Oregan, Well, I'll actually I'll

1545
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 1: up down the coast, but there's semi there. I guess

1546
01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:14,120
Speaker 1: locally endangered. I don't know, because the population is kind

1547
01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:15,560
Speaker 1: of suffering a little bit, but that's really in the

1548
01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:17,240
Speaker 1: very southern edge of the edge of the range is

1549
01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:19,720
Speaker 1: why they're suffering. But anyway, these marble roulettes require a

1550
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:23,519
Speaker 1: very unique survey technique. You need to hike into these

1551
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:27,240
Speaker 1: stands of old growth timber in the dark, and then

1552
01:26:27,479 --> 01:26:30,120
Speaker 1: these birds fly in in the dark and you hear them.

1553
01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:33,000
Speaker 1: They make this specific noise. They go here here, here here,

1554
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:36,160
Speaker 1: and they have these like circling patterns because they can't

1555
01:26:36,160 --> 01:26:38,160
Speaker 1: really land because they're a sea birds, and so they're

1556
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:40,080
Speaker 1: doing these circles to try to land on this tree

1557
01:26:40,120 --> 01:26:42,840
Speaker 1: that they really they're like a flying potato picture flying tato.

1558
01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:46,960
Speaker 1: They're very they they struggle with life. And so these

1559
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:52,360
Speaker 1: birds somehow for they're doing fantastic up in Alaska where

1560
01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:54,320
Speaker 1: they have much better habitat for what they do. But

1561
01:26:54,439 --> 01:26:57,240
Speaker 1: um so, but so, anyway to try to quantify what

1562
01:26:57,280 --> 01:26:59,360
Speaker 1: they're pipe pop paction status is they have people they're

1563
01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:02,240
Speaker 1: hiking into these timber stands in the little night or

1564
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:04,360
Speaker 1: in the early morning hours and sitting there for two

1565
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:06,120
Speaker 1: hours and waiting for these birds to to see if

1566
01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:07,960
Speaker 1: they show up or not and like quantify their behavior.

1567
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:10,920
Speaker 1: So I had to stand or a station that was

1568
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:13,799
Speaker 1: particularly nasty. It was down way down in the straw

1569
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:17,280
Speaker 1: um about two miles from the truck. So I had

1570
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:19,519
Speaker 1: to get get in there pretty early. It was pitch black.

1571
01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:21,400
Speaker 1: I got my head lamp on, I got a little flashlight,

1572
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:23,720
Speaker 1: you know, and I got a trail you flag in

1573
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:26,280
Speaker 1: the trail that you know a few days before, you know,

1574
01:27:26,280 --> 01:27:30,760
Speaker 1: with you know, reflective tape. So that you know, we

1575
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:32,720
Speaker 1: know how you're going to get in there. And uh

1576
01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:36,160
Speaker 1: so my lovely husband head just purchased me a glock

1577
01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:39,200
Speaker 1: that he told me I should carry. But me being

1578
01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:41,240
Speaker 1: from northern Minnesota and having dealt with bears my whole

1579
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:42,960
Speaker 1: life in Canada and stuff, I thought I was all

1580
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:45,080
Speaker 1: tough and I don't need I don't need no stupid pistol.

1581
01:27:45,240 --> 01:27:47,280
Speaker 1: You know, I'm fine, right, I can handle any bear

1582
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:49,719
Speaker 1: that comes along. So I leave that in the truck

1583
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:52,160
Speaker 1: because that was a good idea. And uh, I hiked

1584
01:27:52,160 --> 01:27:53,680
Speaker 1: down in my station. It is pitch black, right, I.

1585
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:56,080
Speaker 1: So I get to my station. It's a pretty bad station.

1586
01:27:56,200 --> 01:27:59,080
Speaker 1: It's very brushy. Um, it's actually not it was a

1587
01:27:59,080 --> 01:28:03,479
Speaker 1: poor habitat. Um. I wasn't anticipating seeing any roulettes or

1588
01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:06,000
Speaker 1: hearing anything. So I get everything set up. You take weather,

1589
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:07,960
Speaker 1: you take temperature, you kind of take some readings for

1590
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:09,599
Speaker 1: the day. Um. And so I was kind of getting

1591
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:12,120
Speaker 1: all my stuff set up. And it was a very

1592
01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:14,519
Speaker 1: calm morning. There was no wind. It was very kind

1593
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:20,120
Speaker 1: of oppressive morning. And uh I I hear some soft pads.

1594
01:28:20,680 --> 01:28:22,280
Speaker 1: You know, it was immediately I could tell, like by

1595
01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:24,479
Speaker 1: the sound it wasn't elk, wasn't a deer like this is.

1596
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:27,280
Speaker 1: This is something with soft pads kind of padding padding

1597
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:29,479
Speaker 1: around me, and I hear it kind of go all

1598
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:31,640
Speaker 1: kind of go do like I sent my circle around me,

1599
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:34,000
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm just thinking, well, I'm pretty sure

1600
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:35,519
Speaker 1: this is a bear. So I started making noise and

1601
01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:38,720
Speaker 1: be obnoxious. And I decided that, well, I don't know,

1602
01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:40,040
Speaker 1: I'm going to get out my got on my leather

1603
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:41,880
Speaker 1: gloves and I had a little two inch pocket knife.

1604
01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:44,200
Speaker 1: I got that out, and I got my little got

1605
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:47,880
Speaker 1: my little mag light flashlight, I got my little mini

1606
01:28:47,960 --> 01:28:51,559
Speaker 1: mini meg and I'm trying to be obnoxious and uh,

1607
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:54,400
Speaker 1: you know, you got on. Yeah, I got my head

1608
01:28:54,479 --> 01:28:56,840
Speaker 1: lamp and I got my little minimeg. So I'm trying

1609
01:28:56,840 --> 01:28:58,720
Speaker 1: to be obnoxious. I got no trees to climb. I'm

1610
01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:01,120
Speaker 1: in this brush patch that's just like literally, I can't

1611
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:02,960
Speaker 1: even stick my arms. I without just hit brush. I'm

1612
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:06,840
Speaker 1: just in brush and uh it kind of then, so

1613
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:08,160
Speaker 1: I'm making lots of noise, and all of a sudden,

1614
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:11,560
Speaker 1: I hear this sounds like something climbing a tree, A

1615
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:13,640
Speaker 1: couple of things climbing a tree, and I hear the

1616
01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:15,799
Speaker 1: soft pads continue to kind of do a whole circle

1617
01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:17,400
Speaker 1: around me, you know, I can hear it all the

1618
01:29:17,439 --> 01:29:20,200
Speaker 1: way around me, and all of a sudden and the

1619
01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:21,840
Speaker 1: brush is shaken right in front of me, and I'm

1620
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:24,479
Speaker 1: just kind of screaming throwing stuff, you know, and uh,

1621
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:26,240
Speaker 1: but I don't see what it is it, you know.

1622
01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:28,719
Speaker 1: I hear it back off and then does another complete

1623
01:29:28,760 --> 01:29:31,800
Speaker 1: circle around me, and then it comes at me again.

1624
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:34,200
Speaker 1: I can hear chased his comment at again, and this

1625
01:29:34,240 --> 01:29:36,040
Speaker 1: time the bear's head pops out of the brush right

1626
01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:39,320
Speaker 1: in front of you, and I just screaming, blooding burder

1627
01:29:39,479 --> 01:29:41,759
Speaker 1: and I take my mag light and I just smack

1628
01:29:41,880 --> 01:29:45,320
Speaker 1: that thing right in the bridge of the nose maglet

1629
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:49,040
Speaker 1: like full of hammer fists like boom the bridge of

1630
01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:51,479
Speaker 1: its nose. And it didn't like that. It backed off

1631
01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:54,920
Speaker 1: and then it went back to the tree, I assume,

1632
01:29:55,160 --> 01:29:58,080
Speaker 1: and I hear I'm pretty sure it's two cubs coming

1633
01:29:58,080 --> 01:30:00,800
Speaker 1: down to the tree, and I hear them runoff. But

1634
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:07,479
Speaker 1: so you Becca Spring pounded a sow bear in the

1635
01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:09,360
Speaker 1: face with a mini mag Lie. I do have to

1636
01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:11,800
Speaker 1: qualify though. These Oregan Coast bears can be very tiny,

1637
01:30:11,800 --> 01:30:13,400
Speaker 1: and it was not a big sou I had to

1638
01:30:13,680 --> 01:30:18,200
Speaker 1: it was a bear. Yeah, I did have to bend

1639
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:21,640
Speaker 1: over to hammer fisted on Becca. What kind of vocalizations

1640
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:25,040
Speaker 1: was that bear doing? Was it growling or popping the absolutely?

1641
01:30:25,640 --> 01:30:27,559
Speaker 1: I mean it was lungeon at I mean, if it

1642
01:30:27,640 --> 01:30:30,120
Speaker 1: was within arm's reach of you, it wasn't just like

1643
01:30:31,160 --> 01:30:33,639
Speaker 1: popping his teeth the whole way. It just it totally.

1644
01:30:34,439 --> 01:30:36,639
Speaker 1: It kept circled me. It just couldn't catch my wind.

1645
01:30:36,680 --> 01:30:38,720
Speaker 1: It had no idea what it was really, you know,

1646
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:40,720
Speaker 1: I think, why couldn't it catch your wind? If it was,

1647
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:42,800
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe that it was so oppressive. I don't

1648
01:30:42,840 --> 01:30:44,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess I don't know thermals are

1649
01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:47,760
Speaker 1: going up or something assumption, so it just didn't know

1650
01:30:47,800 --> 01:30:51,000
Speaker 1: what would have been going up. And you're yelling at it,

1651
01:30:51,080 --> 01:30:53,519
Speaker 1: screaming at it, picking up brush whatever I could grab

1652
01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:56,160
Speaker 1: it kind of throw and you know, just be totally obnoxious.

1653
01:30:56,280 --> 01:30:59,280
Speaker 1: But that's crazy there. If she was working in is

1654
01:30:59,320 --> 01:31:02,440
Speaker 1: a state for us, But there's areas that are unaccessible,

1655
01:31:02,439 --> 01:31:04,760
Speaker 1: and there's there's a lot of bears. They're very high

1656
01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:07,880
Speaker 1: density of bears, and there's bears that have never seen

1657
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:10,519
Speaker 1: a person. I mean, I've had experiences, never anything close

1658
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:14,160
Speaker 1: to that. But a bear doesn't know what you are man,

1659
01:31:14,200 --> 01:31:17,080
Speaker 1: and they're curious and and but that's that's my favorite story.

1660
01:31:17,080 --> 01:31:18,880
Speaker 1: And people like, well, you know, tell me about your wife.

1661
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:23,120
Speaker 1: I'm terrified over punch a charging bearer. Okay. Now what

1662
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:25,400
Speaker 1: you said before, though, was that you had a knife

1663
01:31:25,479 --> 01:31:28,240
Speaker 1: in one hand and a maglade, and you chose the maglad.

1664
01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:30,800
Speaker 1: I had this pathetic for whatever reason, I don't know

1665
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:33,519
Speaker 1: how to knife fight. I had this. I had a

1666
01:31:33,560 --> 01:31:36,080
Speaker 1: little switch, like a little switch blood and well, like

1667
01:31:36,120 --> 01:31:37,760
Speaker 1: what do you call it? Folding folding knife, little t

1668
01:31:38,640 --> 01:31:40,600
Speaker 1: put that in my left hand for some reason, I

1669
01:31:40,640 --> 01:31:42,679
Speaker 1: had this maglade in my right hand and right hand dominant.

1670
01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:45,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. Okay, now I think it makes sense.

1671
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:50,120
Speaker 1: I think like blunt force trauma like in that moment

1672
01:31:50,240 --> 01:31:52,240
Speaker 1: might be better than like having to have like a

1673
01:31:52,280 --> 01:31:56,760
Speaker 1: strategic stab. I mean, I kind of get it. That's

1674
01:31:56,800 --> 01:32:02,600
Speaker 1: incredible that there's very very few people in all the

1675
01:32:02,600 --> 01:32:05,960
Speaker 1: bear hunting circles that I run in. I mean, very

1676
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:09,439
Speaker 1: few people are actually attacked by a bear or would

1677
01:32:09,439 --> 01:32:14,200
Speaker 1: get it. I mean I would I would quantify that

1678
01:32:14,240 --> 01:32:16,160
Speaker 1: as an attack if you were within arms reach and

1679
01:32:16,200 --> 01:32:19,639
Speaker 1: had to punch it. I mean that didn't like get

1680
01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:22,320
Speaker 1: you on the ground and try to eat you. But no,

1681
01:32:22,640 --> 01:32:24,080
Speaker 1: I could have I could have taken it. It was,

1682
01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:27,840
Speaker 1: like I said, not a very big style. But you know,

1683
01:32:27,960 --> 01:32:32,439
Speaker 1: I had several years ago in Arkansas, we were baiting

1684
01:32:32,520 --> 01:32:35,799
Speaker 1: bears and I had about a hundred twenty five pound

1685
01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:39,000
Speaker 1: bear that came up to the bait while we were

1686
01:32:39,040 --> 01:32:41,320
Speaker 1: there and kind of ran us off the bait. And

1687
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:44,519
Speaker 1: I had my at the time, my like probably eight

1688
01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:47,720
Speaker 1: year old six seven or eight year old son with me,

1689
01:32:48,080 --> 01:32:52,400
Speaker 1: and this bears just like right here. And I can't

1690
01:32:52,439 --> 01:32:56,800
Speaker 1: remember how it exactly went down, but I think I said, hey,

1691
01:32:56,880 --> 01:33:00,400
Speaker 1: watch this son, and I I start like trying to

1692
01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:03,720
Speaker 1: stay how close I can't get to despair and uh,

1693
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:06,680
Speaker 1: I get about like five or six yards from it,

1694
01:33:07,400 --> 01:33:10,040
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, I jumped back. And I

1695
01:33:10,040 --> 01:33:11,720
Speaker 1: had the same thought as you Becca. I was like,

1696
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:16,840
Speaker 1: I could take this bear and and and then I

1697
01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:19,840
Speaker 1: get about five or six yards from it, and I

1698
01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:24,439
Speaker 1: immediately jumped back to my coon hunting past of how

1699
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:30,080
Speaker 1: a fifteen pound raccoon is the most vicious critter on

1700
01:33:30,120 --> 01:33:33,960
Speaker 1: the planet and we'll eat your lunch and I was like,

1701
01:33:34,320 --> 01:33:36,839
Speaker 1: there was like this equation and I was like, oh,

1702
01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:39,840
Speaker 1: this is a hundred and twenty five pound raccoon. And then,

1703
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:42,240
Speaker 1: like all of a sudden, like I was just like

1704
01:33:42,360 --> 01:33:45,000
Speaker 1: respect and I turned around and went back and I

1705
01:33:45,080 --> 01:33:48,080
Speaker 1: was just like, son, don't mess with bears. Well, you know,

1706
01:33:48,160 --> 01:33:50,080
Speaker 1: I do have to say that video of your bear

1707
01:33:50,240 --> 01:33:52,840
Speaker 1: or Saskatchewan, I believe the one that came. I mean

1708
01:33:52,880 --> 01:33:56,200
Speaker 1: Becca was watching that. She screamed, punch it, punch it. Yeah,

1709
01:33:56,240 --> 01:34:00,599
Speaker 1: where's your Magli? What is your mini maglight? Have that Magley?

1710
01:34:00,640 --> 01:34:06,479
Speaker 1: That's good luck man oh Man. Well, thanks so much

1711
01:34:06,520 --> 01:34:10,160
Speaker 1: for having us on here, Clay heck my pleasure. You know,

1712
01:34:10,760 --> 01:34:13,719
Speaker 1: I wish we had more time we would like because

1713
01:34:13,720 --> 01:34:15,479
Speaker 1: there's a hundred things we could talk about. We could

1714
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:18,800
Speaker 1: do a whole another podcast. But closing thoughts, both of you,

1715
01:34:19,439 --> 01:34:26,799
Speaker 1: either on records or on whatever, I'm just super thrilled

1716
01:34:26,840 --> 01:34:29,160
Speaker 1: for you. I'm just excited for you. I'm glad that

1717
01:34:29,200 --> 01:34:30,880
Speaker 1: you came out here again. I'm glad you guys had

1718
01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:35,800
Speaker 1: a great time, and I'm just totally excited. Well this

1719
01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:40,160
Speaker 1: is yeah, we're excited to we're going We're going home heavy, nice,

1720
01:34:40,439 --> 01:34:43,360
Speaker 1: going home heavy. Back Dark andsas tomorrow. Thank you guys,

1721
01:34:43,680 --> 01:34:46,679
Speaker 1: and uh, keep the wild places wild because that's where

1722
01:34:46,680 --> 01:34:48,200
Speaker 1: the bears live. Nice