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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: The magic bullet enters the President's back headed downward at

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Speaker 2: an angle of seventeen degrees. It then moves upwards in

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Speaker 2: order to leave Kennedy's body from the front of his

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Speaker 2: neck Woon number two, where it waits one point six seconds,

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Speaker 2: presumably in mid air, where it turns right, then left, right,

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Speaker 2: then left, and continues into Conley's body at the rear

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Speaker 2: of his right armpit Woon number three. The bullet then

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Speaker 2: heads downward at an angle of twenty seven degrees, shattering

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Speaker 2: Conley's fifth rib and exiting from the right side of

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Speaker 2: his chest Woon number four. The bullet then turns right

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Speaker 2: and re enters Conley's body at his right wrist Woon

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Speaker 2: number five, shattering the radius bone. The bullet then exits

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Speaker 2: Conley's wrist Won number six, makes a dramatic U turn

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Speaker 2: and buries itself into Connedy's left thigh Goon number seven,

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Speaker 2: from which it later falls out and is found in

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Speaker 2: almost pristine condition on a stretch in a corridor Parkland

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Speaker 2: Hospital as some bullet. Anyone who's been in combat will

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Speaker 2: tell you never in the history of gunfi? Has there

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Speaker 2: been a bullet That's ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: A film director, producer of screenwriter, Oliver Stone has won

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Speaker 3: numerous Academy Awards for his work on such iconic films

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Speaker 3: as Platoon, Wall Street, JFK, Born on the fourth of July,

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Speaker 3: Natural Born Killers, Salvador, and w His film JFK is

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Speaker 3: now available as a collector's edition, a director approved four

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Speaker 3: K scan of the original camera and negative. Perhaps the

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Speaker 3: most enduring legacy of Stone's film JFK is its part

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Speaker 3: in passage of the JFK Assassination Records Collection Act, a

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Speaker 3: promise made by then President George H. W. Bush in

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Speaker 3: nineteen ninety two to release all documents pertaining to the event,

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Speaker 3: and while thousands of documents have been released, that promise

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Speaker 3: has not been entirely fulfilled. Oliver also directed the four

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Speaker 3: part documentary series JFK, Destiny Betrayed and JFK Revisited Through

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Speaker 3: the Looking Glass. Oliver Stone, Welcome back to Coast to Coast, Am.

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Speaker 4: How are you hell, Richard? I'm fine. Thank you Tom,

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Speaker 4: like a wonder you gave us so wonderful end off

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Speaker 4: there you wrote your words. I mean, I'm glad It's

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Speaker 4: had impact and lasted the film.

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Speaker 1: James D.

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Speaker 3: Eugenio is one of the most respected researchers and writers

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Speaker 3: on the political assassinations of the nineteen sixties. He's the

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Speaker 3: author of Destiny Betrayed, JFK, Cuba and the Garrison Case,

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Speaker 3: first published in nineteen ninety two, with a second greatly

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Speaker 3: revised edition issued in twenty twelve, and Reclaiming Parkland, published

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Speaker 3: in twenty thirteen and reissued in expanded form in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 3: offering a detailed critical examination of the War Warren Commission's

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Speaker 3: evidence and conclusions, along with an analysis of the CIA's

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Speaker 3: influence in Hollywood, The JFK Assassination JFK Revisited through the

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Speaker 3: looking Glass, and he's also co author of the JFK

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Speaker 3: Assassination Choke Holds that proved there was a conspiracy. And

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Speaker 3: of course, Jim wrote the screenplays for Oliver Stone's four

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Speaker 3: part documentary series JFK, Destiny Betrayed and JFK Revisited through

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Speaker 3: the looking Glass. Jim, welcome back to coast.

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Speaker 1: How are you.

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Speaker 5: It's not nice to be here. Nice to talk to

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Speaker 5: you again, Richard.

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Speaker 3: Well, congratulations to you both on both the four part

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Speaker 3: documentary series and JFK revisited. As I mentioned, I watched

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Speaker 3: it again last night. I can't recommend it enough. It's

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Speaker 3: really required viewing.

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Speaker 4: Oliver.

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Speaker 3: If I could start with you now, I've known you,

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Speaker 3: Jim for about fifteen years, I'm thinking, and when you

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Speaker 3: told me you were going to be working with Oliver

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Speaker 3: Stone working on the screenplay for these two documentaries, I

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Speaker 3: was very excited for you. And I know before JFK

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Speaker 3: the film was created in ninety one, Oliver, you were quoted,

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Speaker 3: I think in the New York Times saying it's not

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Speaker 3: a true story per se. It explores all the possible

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Speaker 1: Him, and why.

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Speaker 3: But Oliver, I guess I'm wondering, would JFK the movie

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Speaker 3: have been different? Do you think if you knew James D.

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Speaker 3: Eugenio way back then?

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Speaker 4: Not significantly, but there were a few things that would

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Speaker 4: be improved, sure, because we learned a lot since nineteen

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Speaker 4: But as you said earlier, not all the documents have

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Speaker 4: but four thousand are still what the class are still classified.

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Speaker 3: Would it be possible Oliver to make JFK today at

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Speaker 3: the film not the documentaries, I mean a Hollywood.

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Speaker 4: Plockbuster like this. Probably not. Because it was a certain

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Speaker 4: time and place in nineteen ninety one nineteen ninety the

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Speaker 4: don't know, I really don't know. They're scared. They're scared

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Speaker 4: who was a dynamic president and still, let's say, an

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Speaker 4: people don't know about. And Jim and I in the

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Speaker 4: book and in this documentary tried to bring out some

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Speaker 4: in that interregnum in nineteen sixty to sixty three. But

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Speaker 4: then it will a lot of it went backwards after that,

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Speaker 3: Jim, everybody asks, you know, where were you when JFK

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Speaker 3: was shot? But where were you when JFK the movie

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Speaker 3: was shot? And what did the film mean to you

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Speaker 3: as a JFK assassination researcher, you know, seeing how the

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Speaker 3: film really created this ground swell resulting in the JFK

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Speaker 3: Assassination Records Act and the review board, what did it

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Speaker 3: mean to you as a researcher.

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, that's a funny story that you should

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Speaker 5: bring up because when I got out of film school.

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Speaker 5: All right, my my friend at the time, a guy

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Speaker 5: named Rob, said, Jim, why don't you write a screenplay?

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Speaker 5: And I said about what? And he goes, well, what

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Speaker 5: do you what strikes you as being really interesting?

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Speaker 5: So I thought, well, why don't I write a script

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Speaker 5: about the JFK case? And I started. I started doing

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Speaker 5: the research on this, okay, And I picked up Variety

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Speaker 5: and I see this story, Oliver Stone purchases to write

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Speaker 5: to Jim Garrison's book on the Trail, And by the way,

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Speaker 5: I was going to do it through Garrison also, Okay,

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Speaker 5: what he said with the radioactivity around John F. Kennedy

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Speaker 5: that you know, the mainstream media does not want to

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Speaker 5: admit who Kennedy was and what he was doing. But anyway,

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Speaker 5: that's what I was doing at that time. I was

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Speaker 5: This whole I think it went on. Was it over

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Speaker 5: a year? It went on for over a year. You know,

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Speaker 5: if you the lead up, because Oliver was being attacked

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Speaker 5: Academy Awards. And to this day, you know, I don't

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Speaker 5: that without that controversy, JFK would have probably won about

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Speaker 5: the two editors that that which I was was one

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Speaker 5: of the names what are their names, Oliver.

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Speaker 4: And Joe Okucci.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and that was a really brilliantly edited film, okay,

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Speaker 5: Bob Richardson. Yeah, and so so I watched this thing

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 5: Oliver really did try to counter this. I mean, he

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Speaker 5: he replied to a lot of those attacks. Okay, uh,

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Speaker 5: you know, but it was just relentless. I never seen

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Speaker 3: You both mentioned, you know, the media, and you know,

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Speaker 3: it's often been said the legacy media sort of you know,

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Speaker 3: murdered Kennedy again. But in the getting back to the documentary,

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Speaker 3: and I'll put this one to you, Oliver, there's that

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Speaker 4: It was very fluppy of the investigation. The Warren Commission

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Speaker 4: Didn't even't tell anybody about it from the get go.

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Speaker 4: guiding the movement of the Warren Commissions. So it's patently

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Speaker 4: the time when you go into these issues specifically, you

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Speaker 3: They seem to still cling to I don't know the

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Speaker 3: you know, Gerald Posner's case closed or Bugliosi's reclaiming history.

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Speaker 4: Are you asking me or Jim either of you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Oliver or Jim, either of you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Listen, this thing is it's a it's become It's

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Speaker 4: dead and we ponded, you know, the people were interested

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Speaker 4: CIA mostly who are around that time, and we're working

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Speaker 4: directly on the case of Castro and obviously of Kennedy,

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Speaker 4: and that includes people like David Phillips and George Joannidis,

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Speaker 4: William Harvey. These names have been mentioned many times before,

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Speaker 4: and they keep cropping up in relationship to Oswald too,

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Speaker 4: who was another and James Angleton. Angleton was whos to

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Speaker 4: have been very involved in the Oswald's story music counter

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Speaker 4: terrorism shet for the CIA. So these names have just

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Speaker 4: a shame that it never gets past that because these

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Speaker 4: people are dead and the new people they don't know

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Speaker 4: what they know, I mean, but they just don't want

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Speaker 4: to know. You say, that's the problem is they don't

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Speaker 4: want to know. And as a result, our history is blocked,

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Speaker 4: blocked like it's like it's constipated. We don't we can't

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Speaker 4: get out of ourselves. We can't, we can't progress without

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Speaker 4: because that's it would also be a Catharsis.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, a documentary.

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Speaker 4: Why do we make it? Why did we make it?

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Speaker 4: You know? The reason we made it, Jim and I

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Speaker 4: was because we were so aggravated that after thirty years,

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Speaker 4: nothing is, nothing was really happening. Even the arb work

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Speaker 4: had been ignored by the media for the most part,

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Speaker 4: just a few hue headlines here and there, like Northwards

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Speaker 4: and stuff, and so much more was revealed, so much more,

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Speaker 4: and it was not it was not shared. It was

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Speaker 4: not shared by the media. Grudging, grudging, ugly reaction continues

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Speaker 4: to this day.

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