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Speaker 1: Hello, Casey O'Brien, Hi Milie to Jericho. How are you awful?

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Speaker 1: I just went to the dentist, not but an hour ago.

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Speaker 1: My novacane is all over my face. I feel like shit.

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Speaker 1: Three cavities. It's just a nightmare.

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Speaker 2: So three cavities. Would they they tell you need to

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Speaker 2: do anything special?

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Speaker 1: No, they're just I hadn't been to the dentist in

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Speaker 1: like three years. They didn't really say it was doing

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Speaker 1: anything bad. I have my wisdom teeth in still, and

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Speaker 1: they were on my wisdom teeth.

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Speaker 2: So you have you have your wisdom teeth.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm very wise. I the they came in perfectly straight,

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Speaker 1: and they all came in and so the doctor, the

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Speaker 1: dentist is like, you can keep these in. That's fine.

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Speaker 2: See I thought that they crowd They crowd the rest

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Speaker 2: of the teeth, which is why.

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Speaker 1: They ain't crowded, perfectly spaced grease. I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what's on there. I just I don't feel

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Speaker 1: like myself. I'm sorry listening audience, if you feel like

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Speaker 1: this is like the novacane episode, but That's where I'm

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Speaker 2: Anyways, Yeah, I'm telling you I'm still like trying to

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Speaker 2: get adjusted from my trip to Japan, which is so

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Speaker 2: crazy because I got back like a while ago and

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Speaker 2: I'm just uh huh, I can't like get the fucking

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Speaker 2: on top of that, the pollen is so bad in

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Speaker 2: I'm on Nova Kane, even though I'm so We're just

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Speaker 2: full of like ailments and complaints.

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Speaker 1: This is such a good way to start the episode,

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Speaker 1: just such a lovely positive note to start on. But

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Speaker 1: merely we have so much exciting things to talk about

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Speaker 1: this episode. We truly do. I'm thrilled for this episode.

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Speaker 1: We are talking about those damn Copula kids Sophia Gia Roman. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and in particular we're talking about the Virgin suicides from

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Speaker 1: the year two thousand, which came out twenty five years ago.

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Speaker 1: Just crazy, I know.

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Speaker 2: We keep doing these like little anniversaries, and it's interesting

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Speaker 2: because these are like I haven't, like, I haven't seen

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Speaker 2: Virsion of Suicide since it came out. I have more

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Speaker 2: to say. Obviously, we might actually dip into because the

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Speaker 2: Coppola family, as you know, many branches.

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Speaker 1: Many branches. There's the cousin branch.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's the you know, the Schwartzman's, the Nicholas Cage's,

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Speaker 2: I guess, the Schwartzman's mom, Talia Shire. Yeah. But then also, yeah,

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Speaker 2: the filmmakers of the family, Roman, Sophia, Gia. Probably there's

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Speaker 1: Make Francis Ford.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like we don't have to talk

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Speaker 2: about him as much.

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Speaker 1: Do you know? We don't have to talk about that

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Speaker 2: But okay, he's there, no disrespect sir, but you know

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Speaker 2: we know who you are already, Yes, okay, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: we also have an incredible guest for our area of

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Speaker 2: expertise this week. Yes, you and I kind of both

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Speaker 2: fell in love with him.

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Speaker 1: I was already in love with him. You felt in

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Speaker 2: You knew before me.

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Speaker 2: But we have the amazing character actor Eric Edelstein on

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Speaker 2: the episode today, and he wanted to talk about something

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Speaker 2: that's very very current and I think mirr and dear

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Speaker 2: to both of our hearts. Baseball.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he wants to talk a lot about baseball movies,

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Speaker 1: but specifically we also talk about baseball a lot, which

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Speaker 1: was really fun to chat with him, especially because you

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Speaker 1: just were in Japan talking about Show Hey Otani, and

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Speaker 2: We talked about Show Hey, because we talked about the Dodgers,

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Speaker 2: because the three of us we all lived or have

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Speaker 2: is part of the David Lynch universe. So yes, again,

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Speaker 2: I think we you were already in love with him.

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Speaker 2: a throuple. Yeah, and I'm so excited.

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Speaker 1: Yes, unbeknownst to him, maybe we're all in a throuble.

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Speaker 1: But you know what, he'll find out when he listens

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Speaker 1: He's just such a delightful person.

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Speaker 2: So listen, stay tuned, everybody, it's going to be a

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Speaker 2: fun episode. You're listening to Dear Movies, I Love You,

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Speaker 2: Dear I Love You, and I've got to know if

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Speaker 2: listening to Dear Movies, I Love You, which is a

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Speaker 2: know what, the other day, I was thinking of like

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Speaker 1: Bottom line does to get back on a flight to

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Speaker 2: Do a lot of thinking on flights.

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Speaker 1: I am a very emotional place on planes, I feel

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Speaker 2: I'm also very emotional on plants. I cry a lot

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Speaker 2: just like listening to music. Yes, and I heard it's

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Speaker 1: Yes, But Millie, we got to get down to business here, Okay,

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Speaker 1: grass tacks, Okay, we got to open up the film diary.

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Speaker 2: Creepy uh.

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Speaker 1: This is where we talk about the movies that we

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Speaker 2: I didn't really watch movies on the plane this time.

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Speaker 2: I don't know why. I only watched one one movie

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Speaker 2: It feels like jazz music. It's kind of like moving

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Speaker 1: We're talking about those damn Copola kids, but we're also

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Speaker 2: Well, you know what thing is really interesting about this family?

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Speaker 1: comes from this incredibly privileged background, you know, I think

437
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:52,919
Speaker 1: she has something to say.

438
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 2: So, I mean a lot of times I will just

439
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 2: to extend your sort of analysis about like her films,

440
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 2: which again I think it really crystallized for me after

441
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 2: seeing Priscilla, which is the movie she made in twenty

442
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 2: twenty three about Priscilla Presley, you know, based on the autobiography.

443
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 2: That was the moment when I realized, oh, she does

444
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 2: have this theme running through her films, and it is

445
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 2: about women who are basically like not you know, trapped.

446
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 2: I guess it's the best trapped or at least like

447
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 2: but they all seem to be like waiting for men.

448
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 1: Does that make sense?

449
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 2: Where they're and this is the way it isn't lost

450
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 2: in translation. It's obviously this way for the virgin suicides Priscilla, Yeah,

451
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 2: where it's basically women who are being trapped or put

452
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 2: away by the men in their lives. Yes, and that

453
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 2: is an interesting concept I think, obviously coming from her background,

454
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 2: her perspective, like when you think about like the way

455
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 2: she grew up, you know, I don't know. To me,

456
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 2: I feel like as a woman, that really resonates with me.

457
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 2: And I'm like, yeah, you know, as much as like,

458
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 2: I don't know, it would be really easy for a

459
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,719
Speaker 2: person who is like a film bro or whoever to

460
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 2: be like, oh, she makes the same movie all the time,

461
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 2: so I can know the trupped woman will get whatever.

462
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 2: To me, I'm like, wow, that's an interesting topic to

463
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 2: just keep coming back to over and over again because

464
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 2: I think that, you know, in some ways it is

465
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,880
Speaker 2: maybe a metaphor for her experience, but also the experience

466
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 2: of women, right, of women who are maybe even trying

467
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 2: to work in film, trying to create their own lives,

468
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 2: but are always like.

469
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a rich, you know, ground to keep

470
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 1: coming back, it's a fertile ground to keep coming back to,

471
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: Like there's a lot to be explored. I love all

472
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: of those movies. Another one, The Bling Ring, which I

473
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 1: haven't actually seen. I've seen it, but that sort of

474
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: seems to be dealing with similar themes too, bored women.

475
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 2: Well and like and the use of music and her

476
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 2: films is so important. I mean, she's you know. I

477
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 2: talked about this a couple episodes ago when I talked

478
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 2: about the Jesus and Mary Chain in Loss and Translation,

479
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 2: which I also rewatched, So I rewatched, Okay, when we

480
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 2: were preparing for this episode, I obviously rewatch The Virgin Suicides.

481
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 2: I rewatched Lost in Translation, and I did that obviously

482
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 2: because I just got back from Japan as well. But

483
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 2: then I rewatched CQ. And I will talk about Roman

484
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 2: in a second, but the Yeah, so the interesting thing

485
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 2: about The Virgin Suicides to me is that I remember

486
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 2: when it came out because I was in college when

487
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 2: it came out, and I saw it when it came

488
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 2: out at my college movie theater. It is very to me,

489
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 2: and this is the thing that I think about with

490
00:27:54,520 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 2: her specifically, but also Romans CQ. These are movies that

491
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 2: were basically made in and around like the two K era,

492
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 2: so like late nineties, early two thousands, right, And because

493
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 2: I was alive and I was an adult and I

494
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 2: was participating in this, I like the version Suicides and

495
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 2: CQ specifically made me extremely nostalgic for the late nineties

496
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 2: and early two thousands, sort of its own nostalgia for

497
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 2: the sixties and seventies totally. And I talked about this

498
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 2: on a substack a long time ago. I had a

499
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 2: substack post a long time ago talking about this was

500
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 2: my era, late nineties, early two thousands. I was in college,

501
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 2: I was in film school. I was like obsessed with

502
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 2: foreign directors, going out to like britpop night listening to

503
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 2: you know, like French yee music and Japanese like bands

504
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 2: like the Pizocado Five, and you know, I was like

505
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 2: obsessed with kind of this like international kind of like

506
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 2: jet set culture that was informed by like sixties and

507
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 2: seventies movies essentially, and sixties and seventies culture, right, Yeah,

508
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 2: And that's what The Virgin Suicides really feels like now,

509
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 2: is like, oh, I remember in ninety nine being obsessed

510
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,959
Speaker 2: with like ten CC's I'm Not in Love and like

511
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 2: the Hollies, the air that I breathed like this kind

512
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 2: of like seventies.

513
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: AM radio totally, you know.

514
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 2: Like hazy, beautiful, like Laura Ashley looking girls in their

515
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 2: like beautiful feathered hair.

516
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is funny to like look back on that

517
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: time and think about how they were obsessed with a

518
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 1: previous generation. And this happens all the time, Like the

519
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: nineties are obsessed with the seventies, even down to like

520
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: when it got to more mainstream fair like that seventies

521
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: show coming out, you know, like this obsession with the seventies.

522
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: But then in this if you look back in the seventies,

523
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: they were obsessed with the fifties yep, you know, like

524
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: Happy Days and all that. So it is funny to

525
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: like look back on like past generations nostalgia for past generations.

526
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, it's like it's weird to have a

527
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 2: nostalgia for a nostalgia, you know, but that's how I

528
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 2: felt when I rewatched The Virgin Suicides. And it's funny

529
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 2: because I remember when, like I think the Freaks and

530
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 2: Geeks was happening around the same time as this film,

531
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 2: like early two thousands. And they also there's an episode

532
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 2: of Freaks Sinks where they also use come sail away

533
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 2: by six.

534
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: Yes, I was thinking about that in the dance scene

535
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: in Virgin Suicide, right.

536
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,239
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh yeah, so like this is

537
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 2: no surprise to me that these two different bodies of

538
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 2: work would be like at assessing the same memory in

539
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 2: a way. But for this song, and that was kind

540
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 2: of like, Yeah, I think it's totally age related. I think,

541
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 2: you know, I think Sophia was.

542
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 3: God.

543
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 2: I think she was born in the like early seventies.

544
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 2: Think she's a seventy She was born seventy one, so

545
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 2: you know, obviously like she was a child of this

546
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 2: era of like the late seventies, early eighties, she probably

547
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 2: has a lot of nostalgia for this look this vibe,

548
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 2: you know, and I think when you filter that nostalgia

549
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 2: through sort of the way that she makes movies which

550
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 2: are very like dream like and very beautiful featuring like

551
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 2: beautiful women, you know, I was like, oh, yeah, this

552
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 2: is a total like this movie is probably the best

553
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 2: representation of her style.

554
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: And totally I think that's true. Yeah, totally. Do you

555
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: mind if I do a quick synopsis?

556
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 3: Yeah?

557
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: For this he tell the people what virtually tell the people.

558
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: So we're in suburban Michigan, baby, outside of Detroit. It's

559
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy five, and the five Lisbon sisters are these

560
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: mysterious beautiful blonde girls who are the fascination of a

561
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: group of boys in the neighborhood. The story is sort

562
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: of told from these boys perspective. The girls are very

563
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: sheltered by their strict parents, their strict Catholic parents, but

564
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: things really rip wide open when the youngest sister, Cecilia,

565
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: attempts suicide. The parents they're played by James Woods and

566
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,239
Speaker 1: Kathleen Turner, and they're told by a therapist to let

567
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: the girls lead a more social, normal social life, so

568
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: as a result, they invite boys over to their place

569
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: for a party, and the girls even eventually get to

570
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: go to a dance. But when the sister Lucks played

571
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: by Kirsten Dunst, stays out all night after the dance,

572
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: the parents clamp down and imprison the girls. Things go

573
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: from bad to very bad, very very bad. All the

574
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: while the neighborhood boys fascination with these girls continues to grow.

575
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 2: That was lovely, then, thank.

576
00:32:58,480 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: You for thank you.

577
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 2: So speaking of these boys.

578
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: The boys, these sensitive boys.

579
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 2: Ah, this is like one of the best parts of

580
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 2: this rewatch for me.

581
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: But the boys, well, just.

582
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 2: The idea of male longing.

583
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,959
Speaker 1: Well, you a man who yearns.

584
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 2: A man who earns. It's the topic right now. It's

585
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 2: a topic. You know, being on these social media streets

586
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 2: as often as I am, you do notice, like especially

587
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 2: on TikTok, I would say, you do notice, like you know,

588
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 2: there's sort of trends of things.

589
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: There's like.

590
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 2: Certain topics that get brought up over and over and

591
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 2: over again by certain TikTok creators. And I'm just also

592
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 2: fascinated by the way, you know, young people are emoting

593
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 2: and expressing themselves and trying to figure out like what

594
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 2: are they into, what are they not into? And it

595
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 2: seems to me that there is this like fascination with

596
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: male yearning male longing, and I think it's because you know,

597
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 2: I think we all want men to be softer and

598
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 2: more emotional and more evolved, and part of it is

599
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,240
Speaker 2: that they have to experience what it's like to long

600
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 2: and to yearn in the ways that you know we've

601
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 2: experienced it as not men, let's just say that, or

602
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 2: at least not a straight guy men.

603
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: It is interesting. I mean, the boys in this are

604
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: sort of revolutionary in terms of like representation on screen,

605
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: because yes, they like want to like hook up with

606
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: these girls. That's certainly a part of it. I'm not

607
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: going to pringtend that's like not a part of it,

608
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: but they also like more than that, it feels like

609
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: they want to know who they are. They want to

610
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: understand them, and they're like stealing when they stole Cecilia's

611
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,399
Speaker 1: diary and read it, and there's a part where they're

612
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: like we were beginning to understand how hard it is

613
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: to be a girl, they say something like that, or

614
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: like what it's like to be a girl. Yeah, And

615
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: like I'm not going to go as far as to

616
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: say as it's like a trans storyline, but it is

617
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: a like really interesting depiction of men being like we

618
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: want to know these women, not just to like have

619
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: sex with them, but we want we like want to

620
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: know them. We don't understand them, and we need like

621
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: we want to know why they are the way they

622
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: are and like who they are in like a really sincere,

623
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: non predatory way, you know. And it was like it

624
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: was that that was a big joy for me as

625
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: well watching it on this rewatch.

626
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like the bar is so low for

627
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 2: men at this point, right that the idea that they

628
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 2: would be even curious about us, right is lovely to me.

629
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: Yes, it is. It's it's very lovely you know in

630
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: the movie.

631
00:35:55,160 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, because so so much of like patriarchy and the

632
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 2: culture that is being run by these fucking terrible men

633
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 2: right now is that they don't get us. They don't

634
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 2: understand our bodies, they don't care about our rights.

635
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:13,959
Speaker 1: They don't care, they don't want to know.

636
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 2: They don't want to know, and they think it's like

637
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 2: fucked up or like you know, So I think that

638
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 2: like my heart responds so positively to like any man

639
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 2: who wants to like know, like where I'm just like,

640
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 2: holy shit, like you want to know about our emotions

641
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 2: and our interior lives and our bodies and the way

642
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 2: it works. Like it's not like you're not like too

643
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 2: macho or too cool to know And I don't know.

644
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 2: To me, that just it really like especially I think now,

645
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it obviously is related to sort

646
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 2: of geopolitical events that are happening in our world right now,

647
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 2: but also just as I'm getting older as a woman,

648
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 2: I'm just like, yeah, I'm processing so much more about

649
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 2: my womanhood and maleness in regards to my womanhood and

650
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 2: the ways in which, like I don't know, like men

651
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 2: have responded to me and to women like throughout my

652
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 2: life and just observing it, and I'm just sort of like, yeah,

653
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 2: I don't know it really like it really like affected

654
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 2: me this time when I rewatched it, you know, and

655
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 2: it did, like I think when I first watched The

656
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 2: Virgin Suicides, obviously it was in my twenties, and I

657
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 2: did kind of see it as a like, oh, it's

658
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 2: like some horny guys like and not to say that

659
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 2: the girls aren't horny. The girls are horny too, Let's

660
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 2: get serious. They want to know about boys. They especially

661
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 2: lux the Kirsten Dunn's character. She obviously knows her own

662
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 2: sexual power and she knows what she brings to the table,

663
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 2: and she like wants to be free to explore her sexuality.

664
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 2: But obviously she comes from this like crazy family that

665
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 2: doesn't allow for that, and you know it frustrates all

666
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 2: of them, not just her, but you know, like the

667
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 2: rest of the sisters too. I think they want boyfriends,

668
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 2: They want to experience sex and love and everything. And

669
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 2: it's I think when I first saw the movie that

670
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 2: was really the story for me, is like, oh, it's

671
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 2: just like teenagers who want to like make out to

672
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 2: like playground love by error or whatever.

673
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think it's it's really well represented in

674
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: that scene where they are calling each other the boys,

675
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: the group of boys. I mean, this is like one

676
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: of the all time scenes, I feel like, where like

677
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: these boys and the Lisbon sisters are just playing records

678
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: for each other over the phone. Yeah, you know, and

679
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: they're just sort of sharing this space in this moment together.

680
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: They're not even talking, but they're like sharing sharing with

681
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,720
Speaker 1: each other, and it's like it's so beautiful to see

682
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: and so gentle and so sensitive.

683
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 2: Well, and they have to be that way. It's like

684
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 2: it's almost like they're sending like secret codes to each

685
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 2: other because of the circumstance of the parents. And I

686
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 2: did not grow up in a religious household. Okay, I

687
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 2: don't know. I mean, I grew up Catholic, but I

688
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 2: didn't grow up that Catholic. Let's just say I.

689
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: Grew up pretty Catholic. But you know, my my parents

690
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: are very liberal, pro choice people. They're not like these parents,

691
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: you know.

692
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 3: Sure.

693
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 2: Well, and like that to me was sort of the Yeah,

694
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 2: I did not read the original book, the Jeffrey Eugenity's

695
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 2: book neither. Okay, I kind of want to now I'm

696
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 2: not so stupid. I'm like, oh, I've had a long

697
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 2: time to actually read that book. I should have just

698
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 2: read it already, because I obviously think part of like

699
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 2: the story of this it's so tragic and it's so like,

700
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 2: oh my god. I mean, an entire group of sisters

701
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 2: on a lives themselves essentially is the very, very very

702
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 2: basic storyline. And it's because they just are trapped and

703
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 2: they don't feel like they're able to really live. And

704
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 2: I'm like, to me, and it all comes back to

705
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 2: sort of religion and sort of the purity of girls

706
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 2: and like what like people trying to control these things,

707
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 2: which is like it's impossible. Sorry, people like I know

708
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 2: that you're a parent, you're about you're you have a daughter,

709
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:40,720
Speaker 2: you have a daughter, Casey, I'm telling you right now,

710
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 2: it's going to be impossible to predict or control the

711
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 2: ways in which you know your child or your children

712
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 2: are going to like exist as they are aging. Like,

713
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 2: I was so curious as a girl. I was so curious.

714
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 2: I'm saying. I'm not saying I acted upon every impulse

715
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 2: that I had, and thank fucking God, because you know,

716
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 2: i'd be a disaster. But I was so curious about everything.

717
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 2: I wanted to know everything, I wanted to read everything,

718
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 2: I wanted to experience things. I mean, this is like

719
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 2: the thing of my entire life. I mean, I'm still

720
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 2: this way obviously, I'm I'm flying to Japan alone to

721
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 2: go experience things. It's like, I don't have kids, I'm

722
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 2: not married, I'm like out here in the world, like

723
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 2: just wanting to absorb every fucking thing I can. And

724
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 2: that was like watching this film again and just feeling

725
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:46,760
Speaker 2: the feeling the effects or the idea of just trying

726
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 2: to prevent women or especially young women from wanting things

727
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 2: and from wanting to know things. I mean, and that's

728
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 2: the heartbreak of the story.

729
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: Obviously, you know it is. You're totally right, it is.

730
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: Watching it again, I was like I was taken with

731
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is so unbelievably tragic and dark. Yes,

732
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: like on the face of it, in different hands, this

733
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: could be a really wretched experience watching this movie. But

734
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: I think that's what makes this movie so special and

735
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: why Sophia Coppola is such a good filmmaker, is this

736
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: balancing act of this movie feels so dreamy. It's almost

737
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 1: as if it's not real or it's like there's a

738
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: quality to it that is softened, and I think that's

739
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: necessary as a viewer to feel that dreaminess or like

740
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: because if this was like, if this felt a little

741
00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: more realistic or a little bit more I don't know, grounded,

742
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: or like in a way that like punched you in

743
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 1: the gut more, I don't know if I could rewatch

744
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: this movie. Yeah, you know, do you understand what I'm saying.

745
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 1: It's like the way this is handled, it's like a

746
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: magic trick. It's really a wonderful balancing act that she

747
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,280
Speaker 1: does in order to make this movie not the most

748
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: crippling film watching experience of your life, you know.

749
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,399
Speaker 2: Well, And I agree, And I think it goes back

750
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 2: to something that I said in previous episodes about this era,

751
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 2: this two K era, which generally was gross. Like if

752
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 2: you remember back, it was like all these guys that

753
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 2: were like, you know, making music and making movies, and

754
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,760
Speaker 2: there was the milk culture, the virgin culture.

755
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 3: You know.

756
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: We talked about this with Maxim.

757
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, Maxim Magazine, Girls gone wild like you know, Woodstuck

758
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 2: ninety nine. Need I say more? But it's like there

759
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 2: was I think I do sense that there was like

760
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 2: sexuality was on the table in such a big way

761
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 2: in this era. Ye, And I feel like the In

762
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 2: the Hands of the Men, we saw obviously what happened there,

763
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 2: the idea that Sofia Coppola made this movie about teenage

764
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 2: girls and sort of made it sexy and made it

765
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 2: like she made it sexy, but also made it about

766
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 2: sexuality in a way that was like not sleazy and

767
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 2: but sort of winking at it in a way, because

768
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 2: you know, seventies sexuality has its own It's just got

769
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 2: its own world right totally, the whole like, yeah, low

770
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 2: rise pants with the halter tops and the like, you know,

771
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of like visual nostalgia for that era.

772
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 2: And somehow she was able to make this movie and

773
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 2: make it good and interesting and not shitty and exploitative,

774
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 2: and you know, like I said, like you just said,

775
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 2: in different hands, it would have been an unpleasant watch

776
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 2: for so many reasons. Right now, I want to talk

777
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 2: about CQ a little bit because I also rewatched that.

778
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 2: Have you seen CQ before? No? I haven't, No, Casey,

779
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 2: I think you would actually really like it.

780
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: It's I know I would. I remember in high school

781
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: people really liked it, and I just never got a

782
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: chance to check it out.

783
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 2: Well, let me just tell you right now, CQ came

784
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 2: out again. This era, this era came It came out

785
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 2: in two thousand and one. I remember the soundtrack before

786
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 2: I remember the movie because they fund that soundtrack was

787
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 2: hitten like it was at all of these moves, all

788
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 2: these movie soundtracks were hidden. The version of Suicide soundtrack

789
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 2: again still classic. There's a lot of like old school

790
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 2: songs on there, like the ten sc stuff, but also

791
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 2: the band Air the Frenchman era was one of my

792
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 2: favorite bands ever. They do a lot of songs and

793
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 2: they had a very legendary I think they released their

794
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 2: own soundtrack to the film. It's like kind of a score, ok.

795
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 2: But anyway, it's like it came out as an album

796
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 2: of theirs. But CQ is like again, you want to

797
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 2: talk about a movie that is completely nostalgic for the

798
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 2: late sixties maybe early seventies era of filmmaking, especially international filmmaking.

799
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 2: I mean, it's basically a movie starring Jeremy Davies, who

800
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 2: was one of my brown hair cutie boy Kings twenty boys.

801
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 2: Always loved Jeremy Davies. Speaking of Justified, he's incredible and justified.

802
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 2: I love Jeremy Davies and he's the lead of this

803
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 2: movie CQ. And this movie is absolutely it's just like

804
00:46:54,719 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 2: a vibe movie that's based on late sixties Italian French film.

805
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a movie. It's a movie about a movie. Essentially,

806
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 2: it's a movie about a Barbarrella esque film that's being

807
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 2: made in the late sixties in France in Italy, and

808
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 2: Jeremy Davies's character is the editor on the film and

809
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 2: then I guess throughout the movie he's also making his

810
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 2: own film, which feels very like French new wave you know,

811
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 2: guitar Truffau, but the style of it is so sixties,

812
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 2: it's very I mean, it's just basically like an ode

813
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 2: to this era, right, and like the woman who plays

814
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 2: the Barberrella character is very like Jane Fonda adjacent. And

815
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,280
Speaker 2: it's just I think you would love it.

816
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 1: It really is. I gotta check it out.

817
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a snapshot of a time. But again, like

818
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:57,919
Speaker 2: going back to what we were saying earlier about sort

819
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 2: of the fascination in the nostalge for this era, this

820
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,439
Speaker 2: is this movie in general, Like yeah, you know, it's

821
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 2: basically an homage to all these great filmmakers, and you know,

822
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 2: this great kind of continental European style, and I was

823
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 2: obsessed with it. I was like, I remember when they

824
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 2: were bumping the CQ soundtrack at Britpop Night in Atlanta,

825
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, yeah, every person had a

826
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 2: flight bag, a sixties flight bag. Everybody had the swoopy bangs.

827
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 2: The boys had the swoopy bangs, and they were all

828
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 2: wearing they're like three button mod suits. Oh yeah, And

829
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 2: I was like, Damn, c Q couldn't have hit at

830
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 2: a more perfect time for that whole thing.

831
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: Well, this was a great combo about those damn couple

832
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 1: of kids and virgin suicides. I loved watching this movie

833
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: again and loved talking about all this stuff. Thank you Millan.

834
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 2: Oh of course, so we didn't even get to talk

835
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 2: about Gea, but but I've talked about her before in

836
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 2: the last show. Well, that movie is fantastic.

837
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,879
Speaker 1: So there's just too this was too rich of a top.

838
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: There's just we could go on forever, but let's move

839
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: on to our fabulous conversation with the wonderful Eric Edelstein.

840
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: All Right, everybody, we're back with another segment of our

841
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: My area of expertise, and we have a true expert

842
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: on the show today. He's a actor, he's a voice

843
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 1: over artist. He's one of the best character actors working

844
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: right now. I'm always elated when I see him in something.

845
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: Eric Edelstein, thank you so much for being on the

846
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: show today. We're thrilled to have you here. You know,

847
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 1: this is a show about kind of our relationship with movies.

848
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 1: What's your kind of relationship with movies? How do you

849
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: watch them, how do you kind of absorb them, what's

850
00:49:55,640 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: your sort of process and relationship with the beautiful art

851
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:02,280
Speaker 1: form of film.

852
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 3: I mean, I think for me, it's going to the

853
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,720
Speaker 3: theater as a kid and just seeing this other world.

854
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 3: Like I remember seeing Star Wars when it was reissued,

855
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 3: I believe in nineteen eighty one. But I just wanted

856
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 3: to be Han solo and I wanted to do that.

857
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 3: And then I remember, you know, watching Ghostbusters over and

858
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 3: over and over again, and it just solidified this love

859
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:31,280
Speaker 3: for it. Yeah, and my grandparents were super into cool movies,

860
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 3: so I would watch like older stuff with my grandfather

861
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 3: and older TV stuff, and it's just it was always

862
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 3: my dream and my favorite thing. And now I love

863
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 3: going to like the New BEV and seeing their stuff.

864
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 3: I wanted to go last night to them Semi Tough

865
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 3: with Burt Reynolds and Chris Christophers.

866
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 2: Oh I love that movie.

867
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 3: Oh I haven't seen in years. Is it great?

868
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 2: It's so weird and great and I actually love it.

869
00:50:58,080 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 2: I saw it for the first time out the New

870
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 2: Beverly like a couple of years ago when Burt Reynolds

871
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 2: died and they did a tribute and it was I'd

872
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 2: never I actually never even heard of it, and I

873
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 2: was like wandering and blind, which is like, that's what

874
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 2: The New Beverly is really good at. Is playing that

875
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 2: second feature and you're like, I don't even know what

876
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 2: this is, but you stay and you're like, holy shit,

877
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 2: like this just blew my mind.

878
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 3: Oh I love it.

879
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 2: I know, it's so so interesting, it's so seventies, it's

880
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 2: so like I mean, it's just awesome.

881
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 3: It's awesome. So well and those two together. Did you

882
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 3: go to that run of like Q and A's and

883
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:34,720
Speaker 3: screenings with Bert It was maybe eight months before he died.

884
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 3: Oh wow, No, it was out here at Bertlemania. I

885
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 3: definitely got busted trying to get his book signed by

886
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 3: like someone fancy, but yet if Burt's there, you got

887
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 3: you gotta try. I remember our friend of the program,

888
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 3: Josh Fadim, asked a really great question that like engage

889
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,919
Speaker 3: Bert because you're talking before it is like the last

890
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:52,720
Speaker 3: thing you want is to piss off Bert Reynolds.

891
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 1: No, And it seems sort of easy to Yeah. And

892
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: he's a god.

893
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 2: He's a god here at Georgia because you know, he

894
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 2: filmed all these movies here and I mean he's like

895
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 2: the king around here. So I have a lot of

896
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 2: love for him so well.

897
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 3: And I also love how much like the Burt Reynolds

898
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 3: Town lead Him stuff I think seeped into Months upon

899
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,919
Speaker 3: a Time in Hollywood. Oh totally, Oh totally, yeah right,

900
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 3: it's so cool and like how lead Him did so

901
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 3: much cool stuff, like what a fun path the directing

902
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 3: of like stuntman to director.

903
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 2: Oh, I know, I mean honestly, like Smoking the bandit

904
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 2: is one of my like top five. I feel like

905
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 2: it's it's just like a Southern classic. It's just so

906
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 2: fun and they're like everyone's having a blast and it's

907
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 2: just such a good movie.

908
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,439
Speaker 3: I love it the best, the best.

909
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: So Eric, when you were kind of getting like, you know,

910
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: like discovering movies when when you want to did that

911
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: inspire you? Did you want to be an actor in

912
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 1: movies specifically or were you just like acting in general?

913
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 1: Like how did that kind of Was it movies that

914
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 1: you originally were sort of interested in being in or

915
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: was it another sort of artful Yeah, and.

916
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 3: I was always real into the character actors. That's always

917
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 3: thought they were so cool. And then you'd watch them

918
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 3: from thing to thing. And this was pre internet, so

919
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 3: it wasn't easily accessible, but you do the research you could,

920
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 3: and I think even at that age, I kind of

921
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 3: knew that that was the path forward.

922
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:19,359
Speaker 1: Yeah.

923
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 3: Then I started acting in theater as a kid, and

924
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 3: you know, it was the even what I do now,

925
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:27,879
Speaker 3: either the bad idea buddy or the.

926
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: Bad guy, it's just an idea.

927
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 3: It's so and you know, if you're acting, it should

928
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 3: still be like how you feel when you're a kid,

929
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 3: should still be like playing.

930
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so really well the area of expertise that

931
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 1: you have brought to us. We were both pretty excited

932
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 1: about it because the baseball season is just starting and

933
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 1: you wanted to talk about baseball movies. So the timing

934
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 1: of this is just perfect. What what? What is it

935
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: about baseball as a sport that you feel like makes

936
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: a good movie because.

937
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 3: Because it's so the game lends itself to cinema in

938
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 3: such a cool way. And you know, it used to

939
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 3: be the game could go on for an infinite amount

940
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 3: of time. Yeah, now they have a pitchclock, which I

941
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 3: actually don't mind. It's nice to be able to like

942
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 3: like and I was a purist and railed against it

943
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,760
Speaker 3: and I was wrong. I was wrong, And it's always

944
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 3: nice to hear somebody say that I feel like these days,

945
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 3: but there's just something that lends itself to it so well.

946
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,240
Speaker 3: And I am one of those. Baseball is a metaphor

947
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 3: for America guys. And that's where baseball movies really can

948
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 3: dig in if you look deeper, because it's not you know,

949
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 3: a lot of them are sunshine and optimism, but there's

950
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 3: also some stuff that really does kind of reflect what's

951
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:41,919
Speaker 3: wild in America as well.

952
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.

953
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 2: Where did you grow up? Did you like your hometown

954
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 2: baseball team? You said, is that.

955
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 3: Where you grew up?

956
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 2: Yeah?

957
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,280
Speaker 3: I grew up in Vancouver, Washington, which is a suburb

958
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 3: of Portland, Oregon. And they didn't have a team, so

959
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 3: a lot of people were either Mariners fans or didn't

960
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 3: like the Mariners because Seattle is a rival city. So

961
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 3: I grew up a White Sox fan. Oh, my dad

962
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 3: lite Sox fans. We'd go to like White Sox series

963
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,280
Speaker 3: and it was a fun time with like Frank Thomas

964
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 3: and po Jack. Yeah, it was. It was a blast,

965
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 3: and the you know, the Big Hurt was my favorite player.

966
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 3: But as a kid, I got super into old baseball

967
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 3: and I like traded all my modern baseball cards and

968
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 3: got like guys from the Black Sox era because I

969
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:30,720
Speaker 3: got obsessed with the nineteen nineteen White Sox after watching

970
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 3: eight Man Out in Field of Dreams. Oh yeah, because yeah,

971
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 3: poor little kid already into it and that comes out

972
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 3: at the same time it's going to be this massive thing.

973
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 3: And I just got obsessed with the Black Sox scandal.

974
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 3: I remember I traded all my modern cards and I

975
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:48,240
Speaker 3: got this beat up, shoeless Joe Jackson card in poor condition,

976
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:52,399
Speaker 3: but I just it's and I'm still still a nerd

977
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 3: for baseball cards. My poor wife, there's nothing talking about

978
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 3: coming home and seeing a stack of envelopes with your

979
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:06,720
Speaker 3: husband's baseball cards. Oh is it?

980
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: Are you still a White Sox fan? Is that your

981
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:10,760
Speaker 1: main team?

982
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 3: I it was very easy for me to come down here,

983
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 3: and I remember working in bars, but all the everyone

984
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 3: that worked in a bar would have a Dodger hat on.

985
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 3: It was such a great way to talk to people.

986
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 3: So I started going to Dodger games down here. It's

987
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 3: very easy to fall in love with the Dodgers and

988
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 3: Dodgers stadium.

989
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: Your stadium is seductive, man, it is. I mean, it

990
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: really brings you right in. It's hard not to become

991
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 1: a fan when you go to a game.

992
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 3: Oh it's well, it's that. It's the greatest mid century

993
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:45,720
Speaker 3: modern And I love the top deck because you're up high,

994
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 3: you watch that sunset, you're watching the hills, and it's

995
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 3: just legends up there. It's pure Los Angeles because it's

996
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 3: a bunch of folks from everywhere whose families came from everywhere.

997
00:56:56,239 --> 00:57:00,800
Speaker 3: And then they're the best, hysterically funny. You know the

998
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 3: game and it's just a joy. And then I'm a

999
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 3: nerd for sho he Otani. Well it's deep level again,

1000
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 3: my poor wife, because I got super into him and

1001
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 3: I dragged my buddy to see his first ever pitching

1002
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 3: start at Angel Stadium. Wow. And then I started buying

1003
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 3: up his Japanese baseball cards. Oh wow, because of like, well,

1004
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 3: hold on his rookie card. That's worth a ton of money,

1005
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 3: isn't twenty eighteen. It's these ones nobody knows about from

1006
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 3: twenty twenty thirteen, and they come and like Colby chip wrappers,

1007
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 3: they're so fun, so I'd get the I started getting

1008
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 3: those of like, oh, Tani coming to the Dodgers with

1009
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 3: something I dreamed about because I've gone down there consistently

1010
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 3: taken the train down much as many of his pitching

1011
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 3: starts as I could, and it was so sad and

1012
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 3: so depressing because he had the worst players around him. Yeah,

1013
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 3: and you cry. I had one time just out of sheer.

1014
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 3: He wants to win so bad and he is this

1015
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 3: joyous guy. Yeah, so it's fun. And everybody, since we're

1016
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 3: talking baseball movies, should watch the documentary that came out

1017
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 3: on him last year. I think Beyond the Dream enough.

1018
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I just got back from Japan and

1019
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 2: they he is like Michael Jordan on steroids there, like

1020
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 2: he is everywhere, Like it's like they'll photoshop his face

1021
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 2: onto like every you know freaking flyer that is on

1022
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 2: a you know, wherever, a in a coffee shop, like

1023
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 2: he's he's a god there, and it's it was so

1024
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 2: awesome because I was just like, I love the Dodgers

1025
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 2: just like you. I I grew up loving the Braves,

1026
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 2: obviously because I'm from Atlanta. But then when I moved

1027
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 2: to LA, and I'd always like the Dodgers because I'm

1028
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 2: an ANL girl, so I was like, you know, you

1029
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 2: just know your teams in your league or whatever. But

1030
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,080
Speaker 2: then it was like when I moved to LA, like

1031
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 2: Matt Kemp was still playing, I think, and I was

1032
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 2: obsessed with Matt Kemp, and then it's like I love

1033
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 2: you know, Key K and like all the like even

1034
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 2: Freddy Freddy Freeman came over from the Braves and it

1035
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 2: became this like huge deal for me to watch the Dodgers,

1036
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 2: and it was like and they all are like so

1037
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:22,479
Speaker 2: funny and like there it's such a diverse team, which

1038
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 2: is the reason why I think I love show Hay

1039
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 2: so much, because you know, the Braves don't have like

1040
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 2: three Japanese guys on their team, you know what I mean.

1041
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 2: It's just like an amazing and like they're fans like

1042
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 2: seeing the Japanese fans, seeing the Latino fans like come

1043
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 2: out and they have their like jerseys in Spanish, and

1044
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 2: I mean it's just so heartwarming. I'm just like, I

1045
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 2: couldn't love the Dodgers more honestly, and I love show

1046
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 2: Hay so much. He's so great.

1047
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 3: Fred's next time we hear we should all rally again.

1048
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 1: Oh my god, we got it.

1049
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 3: It's also ridiculous because for some reason, tickets have not

1050
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 3: gone crazy. Yeah, so I will drive there, park my

1051
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 3: car up in the hill above like a crazy person.

1052
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 1: That's what I did to that was I just refused

1053
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: to park in that giant parking lot was so expensive.

1054
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 1: You could walk.

1055
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, Will there's the one street. I will not name

1056
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 3: the street now. I guess perhaps it's Gate, but there's

1057
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 3: one street and you can get like you know, an

1058
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 3: hour before and yeah, beat the system, every character, actor, behavior,

1059
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 3: you figure it out. No, you have to be that way,

1060
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 3: you have to. And then you know every city I go,

1061
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 3: I go to baseball revolves around as much of it

1062
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 3: as it can. Baseball, live music. Yeah, so I just

1063
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 3: got to work in Tulsa for a bunch and that's

1064
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 3: a dream because you know the character actors scheduled gloriously,

1065
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 3: you're only working two or three days a week. Sure

1066
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 3: that has to watch you come until stories. I'd seen

1067
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 3: the Tulsa sound music every night and multiple Tulsa Thrillers games,

1068
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 3: but it is so fun and minor league baseball is

1069
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 3: above and beyond. That's where we get into Bull Durham,

1070
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:58,919
Speaker 3: which has to be in any discussion. I think three

1071
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 3: baseball movies, right.

1072
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we wanted to talk to you about base

1073
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 2: movies and we were I was actually really curious. I

1074
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:06,479
Speaker 2: was just like there because there's so many baseball movies,

1075
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I wonder what Eric's gonna pick is

1076
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 2: his like top faves?

1077
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 1: So what are some of your top faves?

1078
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 3: Number one will always be still to this day eight

1079
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Speaker 3: Men out yep.

1080
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 1: Oh.

1081
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 3: And that's John Sales, who I just love. Yep. And

1082
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 3: he's another one where he's he is always doing Q

1083
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 3: and as around town and is really accessible and really

1084
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:32,919
Speaker 3: cool and I love everything. I was just watching Lone

1085
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 3: Star a bunch after Chris chrostofts and passed away because

1086
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 3: that was really his giant comeback movie. But I think

1087
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 3: eight Man out if we're talking about also the undercurrent

1088
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 3: of America, because you know they were originally called the

1089
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 3: Black Sox because their owner wouldn't watch their uniforms and

1090
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 3: it was so cheap, and they see these, you know,

1091
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 3: he won't pay them more than like thirty five hundred

1092
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 3: a year. There's the famous story that's in the movie

1093
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 3: David Strathorn is Eddie Secatt, Like are you kidding? Like

1094
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 3: just that cast and a cast alone, you just go around.

1095
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 3: You've got David Stratharn, You've got early Charlie Sheen, who's incredible,

1096
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 3: Bill Irwin, the America's greatest clown, like truely amazing, and

1097
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 3: then like mister Neutracle and Ring Lardner as journalists like

1098
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 3: and a great performance from Stud's Tircle. And I always

1099
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 3: love non actors or non traditional actors and stuff like

1100
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 3: I thought Gorevidal was awesome in that movie Bob Roberts,

1101
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 3: which is completely underrated. Yeah, oh yeah, right, that one

1102
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 3: should be talked about more, like you know, facing the

1103
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 3: crowds prophetic, but Bob Roberts evemore. That's what a nerd

1104
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 3: I was is. I was going as like a twelve

1105
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 3: year old watch Bob Roberts over and over and over

1106
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:48,520
Speaker 3: again in a theater. One of us, Tim Roberts wouldn't

1107
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 3: release the soundtrack, so I brought it because the songs

1108
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 3: are kind of could be used for evil, so I

1109
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 3: brought in a micro cassette recorder to listen to these. Yeah,

1110
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 3: oh yeah, I'd say Out is the peak baseball movie.

1111
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 3: It's my greatest baseball movie.

1112
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fairly good. What other what other baseball movies

1113
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 1: are in? You are in your like top three, top

1114
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 1: five baseball movies.

1115
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 3: Well, it may be the easy pick, but every single

1116
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 3: time I watch Field of Dreams, it gets me. I

1117
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 3: just love it so much. I love everything about it.

1118
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 3: But the performance of James Earl Jones. He's just one

1119
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 3: of my all time favorites. And think of the range

1120
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 3: to be able to go to play Terrence Mann at

1121
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 3: Darth Vader and and everything in between, Yes, and just

1122
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 3: the whole. I love the moment of him of like

1123
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 3: when they're at the ballpark he successfully kidnapped him and

1124
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 3: he's like, what do you want? Want? People leave me

1125
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 3: a load, asked me to speak again, to write again.

1126
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 3: I just want to do my job in privacy. Want

1127
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 3: dog and a B Eric, that's good move, like Graham,

1128
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 3: you saw it, saw what Ray. But it's just one

1129
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 3: of those where the movie is just it's so completely illogical.

1130
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 3: It is a really movie that the movie got made

1131
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 3: with that there's a wonderful podcast series on it now

1132
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 3: that's absolutely phenomenal. But think about that pitch and I'd

1133
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 3: love to think a movie like that could get made today.

1134
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean despite you know, like obviously there's like

1135
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 1: an element of fantasy to that movie where they're like

1136
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 1: these ballplayers are coming back, these ghosts of ballplayers are

1137
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 1: coming back. But there's also this stuff where it's like

1138
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 1: they're traveling through time at like too it is quite

1139
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 1: it's wacky. It's a wacky movie.

1140
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he goes for a walk and he runs

1141
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 3: into Burt Lancaster in nineteen seventy two. Yeah, just an

1142
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 3: all time powerhouse scene. Well I better be going, Alicia'll

1143
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 3: think I gotta go. And it's just incredible. But the

1144
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 3: whole thing is so are so weird. You know, you

1145
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 3: have Rayle Lioda and people, you know, it's one of

1146
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 3: the people love to pick on him for not batting

1147
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 3: left handed, but like think about that casting of like

1148
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 3: Ray Liota as Shoulis Joe Jackson, and I think that

1149
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 3: that's probably, you know, maybe even closer in casting than

1150
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 3: dB Sweeney in because yeah, Shuless Joe was a sharp guy.

1151
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 3: I think he also had that undercurrent of a little

1152
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 3: bit of mischief, a little bit of danger, like Rayleoda had.

1153
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:34,400
Speaker 3: dB Sweeney also nailed it. We all love him. I

1154
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:36,920
Speaker 3: saw him at an La Kings game as completely starstrug.

1155
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 2: Let me let me tell you, I gotta I got

1156
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 2: a little story about dB because you know, I was

1157
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 2: a huge I was a big fan of his speaking

1158
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 2: of character actors, I loved him and well, I saw him,

1159
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 2: to be completely honest with you, the first time I

1160
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 2: saw him was in The Cutting Edge, which is that

1161
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 2: of course skate that's skating movie. But then the reason

1162
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 2: why I watched eight Man Out was because he was

1163
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 2: in it, and I watched you know, Memphis Bell. I

1164
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 2: watched everything, and I talked about him so much on

1165
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 2: my prior podcast that he somebody like uh snitch tagged

1166
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 2: him or on Twitter and told him about it. I

1167
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 2: talked to I talked about him about Memphis Bell, and

1168
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:16,920
Speaker 2: he actually sent an email to the podcast and.

1169
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 1: He did I don't know if I knew this.

1170
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 2: I got this shit printed out. It's printed out and

1171
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 2: it's hanging on my wall in front of me because

1172
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 2: I was so fucking thrilled that he actually listened to

1173
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 2: it and he was just like he was so nice.

1174
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 2: He was like, thank you for talking about me, and

1175
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 2: I was talking about it like I was like, oh,

1176
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 2: I had a crush on him when I was like,

1177
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 2: you know, a kid or whatever, and he was really

1178
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 2: really really funny and sweet about it. And ever since then,

1179
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's the that's the dude. I love him.

1180
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 1: So that's so great.

1181
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 3: I love him. And I also feel like we are

1182
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:50,040
Speaker 3: due very soon for a massive dB Sweeney comeback.

1183
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 2: Oh god, yes, let's write ready.

1184
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 3: It's gonna happen. He's so great and a lot a

1185
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 3: lot of actors like him are like a fine wine

1186
01:06:57,080 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 3: only getting better, and he'll I think he's one of

1187
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 3: those other massive resurgence. Well.

1188
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 1: I think he's only in his early sixties. I mean

1189
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 1: he's good to go.

1190
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1191
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think also too, like to your profession specifically,

1192
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 2: I think fans of character actors are special, Like we're

1193
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 2: a special type, right because you it's like we love

1194
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 2: you know, who's like not in the you know, foreground

1195
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 2: for the majority of the movie. We like the people

1196
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 2: who are in the back. And so I feel like

1197
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 2: it's this like specific type of fandom. I don't know

1198
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 2: if you've experienced that's been your work, if people have

1199
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 2: come up to you and been like, oh my god,

1200
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 2: I loved you as this like person, I'm obsessed with

1201
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 2: this character. You're the best.

1202
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 3: I live for it. I love it. And there's also

1203
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 3: a weird, wonderful pocket of kids that love for some reason,

1204
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 3: my character in Jurassic World is their favorite real l

1205
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 3: spoiler alert. I didn't last long in that movie.

1206
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 1: I didn't even have a name.

1207
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:56,240
Speaker 3: But for some reason, these kids, you know, because I

1208
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 3: went out whimpering and crying, and I think they feel

1209
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:00,560
Speaker 3: sorry for me. So so when the kids, when the

1210
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 3: kids from that come up, it's always very cool. And yeah,

1211
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 3: there's just and then you know, I can also kind

1212
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 3: of tell sometimes what people know me from based on Yeah.

1213
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you, like, what can you

1214
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 1: tell when someone's approaching you, like, oh, they're this fan.

1215
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 3: I could tell lynch heads, so I am one and

1216
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:21,880
Speaker 3: I am them. But I can usually tell a twin

1217
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:24,160
Speaker 3: peaks person as supposed to as opposed to like a

1218
01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 3: shameless person. Yeah, sure, yeah, you can just kind of tell.

1219
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 3: And then also, so much of my life is just

1220
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:33,640
Speaker 3: walking people through where they know me from, like a

1221
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:36,000
Speaker 3: hilarious amount of it, And I don't mind at all.

1222
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:38,720
Speaker 3: I'm happy to help work it out because it'll keep

1223
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 3: it'll drive them crazy, sure, and now it's at least

1224
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:44,599
Speaker 3: a point. For a long time, it was they thought

1225
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:47,759
Speaker 3: I worked in a bar, they thought it was Ronnie's cousin.

1226
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:52,439
Speaker 3: It was, I think. And so now now we're just

1227
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:55,479
Speaker 3: baby steps. They do know they know me from TV somewhere,

1228
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 3: but they're not sure where. So I'll just walk them

1229
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:01,479
Speaker 3: through it. But it's also people love saying no, like

1230
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 3: curb your enthusiasm, no parts of Wreck, No, I didn't

1231
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:09,000
Speaker 3: watch that shameless. No, it's really funny, Like there's this

1232
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:13,320
Speaker 3: Glee they have like no, no, Like it's funny with

1233
01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 3: people like will hang out with me one night. It'll

1234
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 3: happen three or four times, and it's I do not

1235
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:19,080
Speaker 3: mind at all, and I feel like it just gets

1236
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 3: I'll do a rapid fire until they help figure it out.

1237
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 3: I'm thrilled they're coming up to figure it out because

1238
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:26,840
Speaker 3: it means, you know, at least they've seen me in

1239
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:29,640
Speaker 3: something that's cool. So I'm happy to help them. But

1240
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:32,639
Speaker 3: it does drive some some character actors a little crazy.

1241
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:35,320
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, And I'm like, I think, I think the

1242
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 3: ways you just do rapid fire with the credits help

1243
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 3: them figure it out, because it's not gonna stop driving

1244
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:44,439
Speaker 3: them crazy, and they'll see they will circle back trying

1245
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 3: to figure it out, trying to figure it out, or

1246
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 3: if they think they know you from a bar or

1247
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:50,160
Speaker 3: high school, trying to figure it out. So I think

1248
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 3: you just help everybody through it, and it's a great

1249
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:54,800
Speaker 3: problem to have. Yeah, you know you from some aren't

1250
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:57,639
Speaker 3: sure what that's awesome? I'm playing with house money.

1251
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 2: Yeah great, Well I want to Shed's obviously here, David Lynchd's.

1252
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:04,760
Speaker 2: So can I ask you what it was like to

1253
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:07,840
Speaker 2: work on Twin Peaks. I mean, like, that's the thing

1254
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 2: is that he has such a world that he built

1255
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:12,360
Speaker 2: over the course of his career that it feels like

1256
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 2: if you're in it, like if you're acting in one

1257
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:17,800
Speaker 2: of his movies, you're like part of his club or something.

1258
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 2: You're like part of this crew.

1259
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:23,160
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean He's reason number one why don't

1260
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 3: don't meet your heroes as total bullshit. Wow, he's thet

1261
01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 3: And I was the biggest Lynch fan ever from you know,

1262
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:32,439
Speaker 3: watching every episode of Twin Peaks with my mom at

1263
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 3: age twelve. And that was how it all happened. Was

1264
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 3: you auditioned for the show and it's Joanna Ray deep

1265
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:42,640
Speaker 3: in the valley and the waiting room looks like a

1266
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:44,960
Speaker 3: Lynch waiting room, like what you'd expect, and there's no

1267
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:50,680
Speaker 3: sides to prepare, so they just ask you questions and

1268
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:52,960
Speaker 3: I'm like, I got to just try to be myself

1269
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 3: that this is a total challenge and I don't know

1270
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:57,439
Speaker 3: what they'll bring up. So she's like, and that they

1271
01:10:57,520 --> 01:10:59,479
Speaker 3: start filming you the second you walk in the room

1272
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:01,680
Speaker 3: because he really wants to sense to you and he'll

1273
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:04,000
Speaker 3: write this stuff to the actor that comes in there.

1274
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 2: Wow.

1275
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:06,719
Speaker 3: So she went, hello, do you know why you're here

1276
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 3: Twin Peaks? And she went, and what do you think

1277
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:12,839
Speaker 3: of that? I'm like, just trying to keep a casual

1278
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 3: and then I blurted out a giggle and thank god

1279
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:19,280
Speaker 3: I did, because you can see him on the DVD

1280
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:22,360
Speaker 3: when he decides to hire me he's like going like this,

1281
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 3: and he's like, could there be three detectives? And thankfully,

1282
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 3: immediately Mark Frost and Sabrina Southerle went yes. He's like, okay,

1283
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:30,679
Speaker 3: I want to hire that big guy with that laugh

1284
01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 3: so much kind of like that laugh burrowed in wow,

1285
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 3: And that's what he did, and he would direct me

1286
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:42,880
Speaker 3: like a musical instrument, like it was beautiful. I say, okay,

1287
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:44,640
Speaker 3: can you just kind of do two? And then she

1288
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:49,800
Speaker 3: pressed a third. I go, yep, that's it, and then

1289
01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:54,040
Speaker 3: he give me little lines to add. Just on the day,

1290
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:57,519
Speaker 3: it was all just a joy. And so one day

1291
01:11:57,560 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 3: he's like, okay, I want you to go up to

1292
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 3: your brother and just say, boy, you can't believe he

1293
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:06,559
Speaker 3: paid two hundred and sixty eight bucks for that tail light, Like, boy,

1294
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:09,560
Speaker 3: that might be a lot. And meanwhile, we're supposed to

1295
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:13,960
Speaker 3: be on the case of figuring out Dougie and Agent

1296
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:17,400
Speaker 3: Cooper and this murder and Don Murray and instead it's

1297
01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:21,439
Speaker 3: mundane shit. So the first time I did, he's like, no, no, no,

1298
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 3: we gotta really feel that tail light buco like you

1299
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:30,639
Speaker 3: can't can't believe it. And so then I did again,

1300
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 3: and he came in yeah, yeah, Now, mindy, we were

1301
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 3: already very quickly supposed to move on to another shot

1302
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 3: into a wardrobe change, and he's shaking his head and

1303
01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:40,800
Speaker 3: he's like, yeah, you know what, I think we got

1304
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 3: to go see that tail light. So he has added

1305
01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:47,559
Speaker 3: a shot now, and we walk out to the parking

1306
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:50,639
Speaker 3: lot while he's looking at a proper tail light, and meanwhile,

1307
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:52,840
Speaker 3: Costumes is a little nervous because they already had a

1308
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 3: wardrobe change, now we're adding something else. So we get done.

1309
01:12:57,240 --> 01:12:59,439
Speaker 3: He's like, okay, walk by and just kind of give

1310
01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:01,760
Speaker 3: a look like, boy, you can't believe that's kind of

1311
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 3: a lot for a tail light. So we do it,

1312
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:07,080
Speaker 3: and then he has this lineup and Costumes is nervously

1313
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:08,760
Speaker 3: there and I'm like, I don't know if he's seen

1314
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:11,639
Speaker 3: them or if he's aware of it. And then he goes, okay,

1315
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:15,759
Speaker 3: fushcot number one, two and three, take off your ties,

1316
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:19,800
Speaker 3: fush go one hand you're tied to the fush go

1317
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 3: to your right, fush go two, fush go two to three,

1318
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:27,639
Speaker 3: Fushco three to fosco one. So we're all carrying each

1319
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:30,320
Speaker 3: other's ties and then he just smiles and goes, okay,

1320
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:35,320
Speaker 3: Costume change is done. Here we go and like everybody

1321
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:38,280
Speaker 3: just starts laughing, and like he had the same crew

1322
01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:42,080
Speaker 3: that he had for thirty years. Yeah, and also everyone's

1323
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:46,040
Speaker 3: meditating at once. So it is the happiest, the happiest

1324
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:49,800
Speaker 3: darn set in the in the world. And every day

1325
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:51,760
Speaker 3: it was like a day at the spa, and like

1326
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 3: he was as great as it gets and just the best.

1327
01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:59,720
Speaker 3: And then we were all like his characters that he

1328
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:02,120
Speaker 3: and so sometimes we go to like a TM event

1329
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 3: and he would just be detective, how's your mother? Like

1330
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:07,880
Speaker 3: we're supposed to do a big dinner on Sunday? Would

1331
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 3: you believe what happened? Oh, my goodness, what happened? Another murder?

1332
01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh? Really yeah? No dinner again? Yeah? Yeah,

1333
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:20,560
Speaker 3: the absolute greatest there ever was god.

1334
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:24,560
Speaker 1: Yea special Yeah, Oh thank you for sharing that.

1335
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:28,760
Speaker 3: Oh no, there's so many, but he's the He's Yeah,

1336
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 3: I still can't believe. But I still think I'm gonna

1337
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:32,720
Speaker 3: I'm gonna wake up and yeah, and it was all

1338
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:33,839
Speaker 3: a dream totally.

1339
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:37,439
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I have another random question for you.

1340
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:40,800
Speaker 1: I love the movie green Room and a spoiler a

1341
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:43,559
Speaker 1: little bit for green Room. I mean I think this

1342
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 1: is in your Instagram bio you die in movies or

1343
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:48,640
Speaker 1: something like that. You're like, I'm dying in movies and

1344
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:49,400
Speaker 1: TV shows.

1345
01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:49,840
Speaker 3: Oh yes.

1346
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:52,920
Speaker 1: Anyways, you don't make it in Green Room either, But

1347
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:56,799
Speaker 1: your death in that movie was pretty gnarly.

1348
01:14:57,960 --> 01:14:58,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1349
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:02,960
Speaker 1: Oh and I think about that a lot because it's

1350
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:07,599
Speaker 1: kind of slow and uh was that? Is it bizarre

1351
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:09,760
Speaker 1: for you to watch a movie like that where it's

1352
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 1: like a graphic death, where it's like you are watching

1353
01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:16,120
Speaker 1: yourself die on screen, or even for your family members?

1354
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:19,360
Speaker 1: Is there any sort of weird feeling about that at all?

1355
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:23,720
Speaker 3: I think it's mostly weird for my mom, okay, and

1356
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:26,640
Speaker 3: for probably my wife of having me watch over and

1357
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:29,360
Speaker 3: over again. For me, it's just what I always just say,

1358
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:31,800
Speaker 3: no one will be more prepared for the real thing

1359
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:34,920
Speaker 3: than me, because I've ever heard a lot and like,

1360
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:37,479
Speaker 3: you know, when people come up and they're like, oh,

1361
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 3: we're surprised to see you die early? Really, you know,

1362
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 3: I think I think you know, you can identify me

1363
01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:47,160
Speaker 3: onto your Yeah, that guy's gonna get eaten by a

1364
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:50,280
Speaker 3: dinosaur and quickly. And I think I think with Green Room,

1365
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:53,160
Speaker 3: it was just so fun because we're just so elevated

1366
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:54,920
Speaker 3: by all those other actors, and I'll tell you what.

1367
01:15:55,160 --> 01:16:00,920
Speaker 3: Jeremy Sonnier, he's a big old sweetie. I found the

1368
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:05,040
Speaker 3: ones that do the darkest stuff are just the sweetest,

1369
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:09,599
Speaker 3: and so he created this totally fun filled as much

1370
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 3: as you could set. But also Green Room is one

1371
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:16,920
Speaker 3: of those where I'm full disclosure, I am very squeamish.

1372
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 3: I can't do it's super It is brutal, graphic jump scare.

1373
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:27,639
Speaker 3: I'm I'm watching Field of Dreams. You know, I'm going

1374
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:30,439
Speaker 3: to see old hippies live and music. So when I

1375
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:35,799
Speaker 3: went to the premiere, I had the most nervous laughter.

1376
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:38,439
Speaker 3: I couldn't believe it. And this stuff was and maybe

1377
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:41,800
Speaker 3: potentially I didn't read in as much detail after I died,

1378
01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:45,080
Speaker 3: because what would you really But then the stuff with

1379
01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:47,800
Speaker 3: the dogs and my wife and I are sitting there

1380
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:50,240
Speaker 3: covering our faces, and I do this nervous laughter so

1381
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 3: much so that Doug Benson tweeted about me. It's like

1382
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:57,800
Speaker 3: the I saw this movie green Room. It was great.

1383
01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:02,160
Speaker 3: Only drawback. The bouncer from the movie was goffawing in

1384
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 3: front of me, and I reaped out. I also, I

1385
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:07,439
Speaker 3: think in this era and apology goes a long way

1386
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:10,240
Speaker 3: or many wrong, and I'm like, I am so sorry.

1387
01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:12,880
Speaker 3: I have a nervous laugh. I do not watch Gore.

1388
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 3: Oh my god. So then I went on a show

1389
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:17,080
Speaker 3: and I go on all the time. Now we're friends, but.

1390
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:17,719
Speaker 1: Oh that's fine.

1391
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that was me. I couldn't even handle my

1392
01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:23,599
Speaker 3: own death and other stuff. And it's just how quickly

1393
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:26,000
Speaker 3: she does it with a box cutter. Yeah, Like you

1394
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:29,080
Speaker 3: just see the detachment in her, the way she does it.

1395
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:32,479
Speaker 3: It's it's really amazing, Jeremy, just a quick boom.

1396
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:37,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really unexpected and horrifying and realistic. The violence

1397
01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:41,960
Speaker 1: in that movie felt very realistic, and uh, it's fucked up.

1398
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:43,120
Speaker 1: It's a great movie.

1399
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:43,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1400
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 1: Well, is there anything you got coming up soon, Eric

1401
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:49,000
Speaker 1: that you want to plug? People can check you out in.

1402
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:52,679
Speaker 3: Yeah. I will be with friend of the show Josh Fadim.

1403
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:56,919
Speaker 3: He and I both showing up in the new Sterlin

1404
01:17:57,000 --> 01:18:00,559
Speaker 3: har Joe ethan Hawk series The Sensitive Kind, which will

1405
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:04,719
Speaker 3: be on FS Sterlin. Har Joe now has the mantle

1406
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:08,360
Speaker 3: for the happiest, most joyous set in the world. There's

1407
01:18:08,479 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 3: something real special happening in Tulsa.

1408
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:12,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, amazing.

1409
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:15,000
Speaker 3: It's the only one I would compare it to is

1410
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:17,879
Speaker 3: Lynch in terms of happiness and a crew and everybody

1411
01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 3: hanging out together, and it's a beautiful thing. So watch that.

1412
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:24,160
Speaker 3: And then in uh next year, I'll be in a

1413
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:28,840
Speaker 3: new show called The Burrows on Netflix from the great

1414
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:31,719
Speaker 3: Jeff Addis and Will Matthews partnering with the Duffer brothers

1415
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:35,439
Speaker 3: and it is a whole bunch of fun. I can't

1416
01:18:35,439 --> 01:18:37,120
Speaker 3: wait for people to see it. Amazing.

1417
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:42,519
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, thank you so much for spending some

1418
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:44,760
Speaker 1: time with us today, Eric, We really appreciate it was

1419
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 1: so fun talking.

1420
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 2: You're such a joy. You should come back to any time,

1421
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:49,719
Speaker 2: any time, please.

1422
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:51,960
Speaker 3: I just want to nerd on talk character actors.

1423
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:55,880
Speaker 1: Oh come on, yeah, We'll have to bring you on

1424
01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:57,839
Speaker 1: again to talk specifically about characters.

1425
01:18:57,960 --> 01:19:00,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, because that's I have nerdy level knowledge.

1426
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:02,680
Speaker 3: And then also I'm trying to push Josh Fatum to

1427
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:05,639
Speaker 3: watch me TV because I'm like, this is where all

1428
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:08,720
Speaker 3: your noir character actors ended up, because that's all those

1429
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:14,840
Speaker 3: old detective shows I watched, Mannix, Ironside, Cannon, Hawaii, I Oh,

1430
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:17,879
Speaker 3: gun Smoke. Gun Smoke is great for a reason. Friends,

1431
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 3: But I'm like, Josh, you are made for me TV

1432
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:22,360
Speaker 3: because he laughed because I'd be my tolso to him, like,

1433
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 3: oh my god, this guy's on MANNIX. He was in

1434
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:27,920
Speaker 3: this memir like me TV is where all those character

1435
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 3: actors went meant to want to glorious. I don't want

1436
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:34,040
Speaker 3: to say out to pasture, but the grass was good

1437
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:34,439
Speaker 3: out there.

1438
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:39,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, awesome. Well, thank you, Eric, we really appreciate it.

1439
01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:41,760
Speaker 3: So fun thanks for having me.

1440
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:53,679
Speaker 1: Oh what a wonderful man.

1441
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:58,640
Speaker 2: I love him. He's so funny. He does an amazing

1442
01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:00,000
Speaker 2: impression of David Lynch.

1443
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 1: Were you shocked by his James Earl Jones impression too?

1444
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:09,719
Speaker 2: Everybody? He everybody he did was great.

1445
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:11,240
Speaker 3: Yes, I was.

1446
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:15,040
Speaker 1: I'm so impressed by him. And he pops it up

1447
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:17,240
Speaker 1: in a lot of stuff. If you look for him

1448
01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:19,120
Speaker 1: and it's a he's a delight.

1449
01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:21,920
Speaker 2: Ah. He can come back literally at any time. He's

1450
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:22,240
Speaker 2: the best.

1451
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:24,760
Speaker 1: Love love for him to come back. Well, Milly, let's

1452
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:28,240
Speaker 1: move on to our film advice segment. This is where

1453
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:33,160
Speaker 1: people write in call in with their asking for our advice,

1454
01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:38,280
Speaker 1: where film experts we're trying to help people. And yeah,

1455
01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:42,120
Speaker 1: let me read this email we got if you don't mind, Hey,

1456
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:45,800
Speaker 1: Millian Casey, I am loving the pod. I'm emailing specifically

1457
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:48,519
Speaker 1: after listening to the episode Irish Cinema and the Banchies

1458
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:51,080
Speaker 1: of an Asuran. I have broken up with a friend

1459
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:53,360
Speaker 1: as an adult in the last few years, going off

1460
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:56,160
Speaker 1: of what Casey mentioned, reflecting on the relationship, it caused

1461
01:20:56,200 --> 01:20:58,320
Speaker 1: me hurt that I do not think my friend was

1462
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:01,639
Speaker 1: exactly aware of. Some things escalated in the last year

1463
01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 1: of the relationship and I was just done. We got

1464
01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:07,200
Speaker 1: into an argument and I explained some things, but at

1465
01:21:07,240 --> 01:21:09,800
Speaker 1: the end, my last text to her simply said, I

1466
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:12,120
Speaker 1: don't really have anything else to say about it, and

1467
01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:15,240
Speaker 1: that was the end emailing about it. Now, I think

1468
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:18,920
Speaker 1: she was probably extremely shocked and confused, but if she

1469
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:21,519
Speaker 1: reflected on herself, she would be mature enough to realize

1470
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:23,680
Speaker 1: the things she did were hurtful. I actually do not

1471
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:26,960
Speaker 1: miss this relationship at all. I've never heard of this movie,

1472
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:29,240
Speaker 1: and now it's on my watch list. What other movies

1473
01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:32,640
Speaker 1: can you suggest that explore the end of friendships or

1474
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:36,080
Speaker 1: even unique takes on relationships in general, like the theme

1475
01:21:36,120 --> 01:21:39,000
Speaker 1: of this movie. Can't wait to keep listening with all

1476
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:42,560
Speaker 1: the love, Kaylee from Indiana, Thank you, Kaylee.

1477
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:44,599
Speaker 2: Kayley Wow.

1478
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:45,920
Speaker 1: First of all.

1479
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:48,759
Speaker 2: We actually got a lot of feedback about that Banshee's

1480
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:50,800
Speaker 2: of an Assured episode and like we actually got an

1481
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:53,880
Speaker 2: email from somebody that was talking about how the movie

1482
01:21:54,439 --> 01:22:01,759
Speaker 2: was actually about the Irish Civil War, which obviously yes,

1483
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:05,640
Speaker 2: and that it you know, obviously there's more political messaging

1484
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:08,439
Speaker 2: happening than this the sheer end of a friendship. I

1485
01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:12,040
Speaker 2: just wanted to say that, but I think that for

1486
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:14,240
Speaker 2: you and I's purposes, Like when we talked about it

1487
01:22:14,280 --> 01:22:17,960
Speaker 2: in that episode, we were talking about the friendship ending

1488
01:22:18,439 --> 01:22:26,280
Speaker 2: and how upsetting it is for both people involved, and

1489
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:28,960
Speaker 2: I even started thinking about it after we recorded it,

1490
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:30,719
Speaker 2: and I was like, you know, what's even more painful

1491
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:33,479
Speaker 2: than a friendship ending is when you ended as an adult,

1492
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 2: and I mean you when you end a friendship in

1493
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:40,160
Speaker 2: your teens and twenties, right, there's usually, I mean a

1494
01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:42,720
Speaker 2: lot of times there is drama behind it, like it

1495
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:45,200
Speaker 2: could be like you slept with my boyfriend, or you

1496
01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:47,680
Speaker 2: ripped me off, or you did something like there's some

1497
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:51,920
Speaker 2: kind of event or something that. But when you're as

1498
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:54,160
Speaker 2: an adult and you've been friends with somebody for so

1499
01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:57,240
Speaker 2: long and like so many things have happened and then

1500
01:22:57,320 --> 01:23:02,479
Speaker 2: you break it up, you're like, damn, that's a that's a.

1501
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:06,120
Speaker 1: Hard hurt, you know, yeah, because it is sort of

1502
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:11,080
Speaker 1: an analysis of like there's probably not a super instigating event,

1503
01:23:11,200 --> 01:23:13,880
Speaker 1: but one of you just gets to a point where

1504
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:17,000
Speaker 1: you're like I don't like you as a person, or

1505
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:19,760
Speaker 1: there's something about you as a person that is I

1506
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:21,880
Speaker 1: don't want you a part of my life. Yeah, you know.

1507
01:23:22,120 --> 01:23:27,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. To answer Kayley's question a bit, So this was

1508
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:30,720
Speaker 2: a topic that I was obsessed with when we did

1509
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:32,320
Speaker 2: I saw what you did, And we used to have

1510
01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:36,120
Speaker 2: this recurring theme called changing female friendships, right, And these

1511
01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:41,400
Speaker 2: were movies about women's friendships and how they change over

1512
01:23:41,439 --> 01:23:45,280
Speaker 2: the years and sort of like you know again, maybe

1513
01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:47,080
Speaker 2: like what we've just talked about, like what are the

1514
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:51,879
Speaker 2: conditions that create like, you know, strife between women, especially

1515
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:55,120
Speaker 2: as they get older. Because I feel like there's a

1516
01:23:55,160 --> 01:24:00,000
Speaker 2: lot of there's a lot of movies about women's friendships obviously,

1517
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:05,519
Speaker 2: and I think people are also fascinated by it in

1518
01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:08,280
Speaker 2: that way where it's like they feel like female friendships

1519
01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:10,160
Speaker 2: are like it's kind of goes back to the like

1520
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:15,799
Speaker 2: parenting maternal model of like women's friendships are so enriching

1521
01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:18,080
Speaker 2: and deep and they don't end and they take care

1522
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:20,320
Speaker 2: of each other and this and that, like no, sometimes

1523
01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:23,640
Speaker 2: they end and sometimes it's like not good. And so

1524
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:27,439
Speaker 2: I was just obsessed with that topic and Danielle was too.

1525
01:24:27,479 --> 01:24:29,719
Speaker 2: We did it many times. But there was a movie

1526
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:32,800
Speaker 2: that I talked about on one of those episodes. It

1527
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:35,800
Speaker 2: was very very early on. It's this movie from two

1528
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:39,120
Speaker 2: thousand and one. It's called Me Without You and it

1529
01:24:39,320 --> 01:24:47,559
Speaker 2: stars Michelle Williams at Annafriil, and it takes place in

1530
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:52,639
Speaker 2: the UK between these two girls who are neighbors. Obviously,

1531
01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:55,679
Speaker 2: Michelle Williams and Annafreil are neighbors, and they're completely different.

1532
01:24:55,800 --> 01:25:01,200
Speaker 2: Like Anafriil is this beautiful, vivacious, like stylish, kind of

1533
01:25:01,320 --> 01:25:05,479
Speaker 2: up for anything girl, and the Michelle Williams character is

1534
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:09,400
Speaker 2: the more kind of sensitive, thoughtful, like you know, I

1535
01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:14,200
Speaker 2: would say, like a introverted type, right, And so much

1536
01:25:14,240 --> 01:25:17,519
Speaker 2: of their friendship, I mean, and this movie really spans

1537
01:25:17,560 --> 01:25:19,640
Speaker 2: the course of their entire lives. It starts when they

1538
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:22,040
Speaker 2: were like young girls, and it kind of moves through

1539
01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:26,200
Speaker 2: adulthood and there and you start to kind of understand

1540
01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:29,160
Speaker 2: the relationship between the two of them. The dynamic is

1541
01:25:29,200 --> 01:25:34,000
Speaker 2: that basically the Anafreal character runs the whole apparatus like

1542
01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:38,880
Speaker 2: she is. Basically like she makes the Michelle Williams character

1543
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:44,120
Speaker 2: feel guilty for being boring quote unquote mousey, introverted, Like

1544
01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:46,960
Speaker 2: she's just constantly trying to get her to like open

1545
01:25:47,040 --> 01:25:51,639
Speaker 2: up more, and it's really because she wants that partner

1546
01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:55,960
Speaker 2: in crime. But she's also very jealous of her so

1547
01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:59,640
Speaker 2: and like and again, the Michelle Williams character, being the

1548
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:02,600
Speaker 2: kind of more the one with more depth, has a

1549
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:04,840
Speaker 2: jealousy in her friend too and wishes that she could

1550
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:07,320
Speaker 2: be more dynamic and outgoing. So it's kind of this

1551
01:26:07,439 --> 01:26:10,519
Speaker 2: like weird like thing where they're both kind of jealous

1552
01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:13,519
Speaker 2: about each other. But then it becomes apparent. I think

1553
01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:16,600
Speaker 2: for Michelle Williams's character that she's got to end it

1554
01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:20,639
Speaker 2: because it's not serving her. She feels like shit every

1555
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:22,800
Speaker 2: time she's around her friend, and it's just like this

1556
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:27,000
Speaker 2: feeling of like it's so heartbreaking because you're like, you

1557
01:26:27,160 --> 01:26:29,519
Speaker 2: know it as a viewer, you're like, oh, this can't

1558
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:32,240
Speaker 2: last the way it is, like there's just no way

1559
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:36,280
Speaker 2: because one person is getting nothing and the other person

1560
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:39,160
Speaker 2: is getting everything, and there's a lot of guilt involved

1561
01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:41,840
Speaker 2: in their friendship, and a lot of like you know,

1562
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:45,800
Speaker 2: sort of like codependency. And to me, it's one of

1563
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:49,840
Speaker 2: the best movies that I've seen that touches upon the

1564
01:26:49,880 --> 01:26:52,800
Speaker 2: complexity of all of that, just the emotional component of

1565
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:56,840
Speaker 2: like friendship, ending friendships, knowing when you should end it,

1566
01:26:56,960 --> 01:27:00,920
Speaker 2: knowing when it's time, trying to end it and maybe

1567
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:03,880
Speaker 2: not being able to that's another component to it too.

1568
01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:06,160
Speaker 1: So that would be.

1569
01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:10,040
Speaker 2: My recommendation to you, Kelly, is that movie Me Without

1570
01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:11,120
Speaker 2: You two thousand and one.

1571
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:14,920
Speaker 1: That's great, great answer, Millie. I think I'm going to

1572
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:19,479
Speaker 1: take the more like unique takes on relationships aspect of

1573
01:27:19,479 --> 01:27:23,600
Speaker 1: that question. You know, I think movies about male friendship

1574
01:27:24,720 --> 01:27:28,559
Speaker 1: are an interesting topic. There are It's hard for me

1575
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:32,000
Speaker 1: to think of even that many movies about male friendship.

1576
01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:35,520
Speaker 1: And I think male friendship is sort of a difficult

1577
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:38,840
Speaker 1: thing in real life too, Like men don't want to

1578
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:42,920
Speaker 1: get too close to each other, and there's sort of

1579
01:27:42,920 --> 01:27:45,479
Speaker 1: a lack of gentleness and sensitivity a lot of times

1580
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:50,960
Speaker 1: with like male friendships. And there's a movie from the

1581
01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:55,800
Speaker 1: year twenty nineteen by Kelly Reikert called First Cow, which

1582
01:27:55,960 --> 01:28:02,040
Speaker 1: is a very gentle male Friendship takes place in the

1583
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:05,160
Speaker 1: Pacific Northwest in the eighteen twenties, and it's about these

1584
01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:06,840
Speaker 1: two guys kind of trying to make it in this

1585
01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:13,240
Speaker 1: the frontier land of Oregon, I think, and they sort

1586
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:16,720
Speaker 1: of start a little business together making little cakes, but

1587
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:20,040
Speaker 1: they rely on each other in a very beautiful way.

1588
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:23,240
Speaker 1: And I'd never seen like a movie kind of showing

1589
01:28:24,120 --> 01:28:27,760
Speaker 1: sensitive male friendship in that way. And that's just a

1590
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:34,000
Speaker 1: really beautiful movie that I love and is great, and yeah,

1591
01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:35,040
Speaker 1: you should definitely check out.

1592
01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:40,120
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, like, I I feel like it's

1593
01:28:40,160 --> 01:28:44,880
Speaker 2: gotten better, like because honestly, like there's been so many

1594
01:28:44,920 --> 01:28:48,240
Speaker 2: movies about male bonding, like just like men being around

1595
01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:50,439
Speaker 2: each other. I mean, there's so many movies about that,

1596
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:54,040
Speaker 2: But is there a movie that really gets into the

1597
01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:58,320
Speaker 2: weeds about being friends with god like guys being friends

1598
01:28:58,360 --> 01:29:00,400
Speaker 2: with guys. I mean, honestly, I think Banches to Share

1599
01:29:00,439 --> 01:29:02,400
Speaker 2: It is a great take on it, because it really

1600
01:29:02,479 --> 01:29:06,519
Speaker 2: is the like it didn't feel like it was like, oh, here,

1601
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:12,720
Speaker 2: here's a movie about two men who are in a friendship. Theoretically,

1602
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:14,920
Speaker 2: I mean, we don't know how deep it was beyond

1603
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:16,880
Speaker 2: going to the pub and that kind of thing, but

1604
01:29:16,920 --> 01:29:20,240
Speaker 2: then the ending of it is so painful and you're

1605
01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:22,400
Speaker 2: kind of like, wow, it must have been really affecting,

1606
01:29:22,520 --> 01:29:24,760
Speaker 2: Like their friendship must have been really affecting to have

1607
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:27,080
Speaker 2: this much pain happen.

1608
01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:28,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, but totally.

1609
01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:30,600
Speaker 2: I love Kelly roy Kirk. She's like one of my

1610
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:33,479
Speaker 2: favorite directors. I saw a First Cat when it came out,

1611
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:35,160
Speaker 2: and I want to watch it again, So thank you

1612
01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:36,160
Speaker 2: for reminding me of that.

1613
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:41,760
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, but yeah, great question. If you want to

1614
01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:46,639
Speaker 1: write in and ask for our advice on things, please

1615
01:29:46,640 --> 01:29:49,640
Speaker 1: do so at dear Movies at exactly rightmedia dot com,

1616
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:54,040
Speaker 1: or you can leave us a voicemail and just email

1617
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:57,800
Speaker 1: it to dear Movies at exactly right media dot com.

1618
01:29:58,640 --> 01:30:02,760
Speaker 1: Please leave make your voice mail under sixty seconds and

1619
01:30:02,840 --> 01:30:07,360
Speaker 1: please record it in a quiet place. And yeah, we'd

1620
01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:10,360
Speaker 1: love more questions. We're getting so many great ones, but

1621
01:30:10,600 --> 01:30:16,760
Speaker 1: keep them coming. Now it is time for employee picks. Millie,

1622
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:19,960
Speaker 1: do you have an employee pick a recommendation for the

1623
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:20,719
Speaker 1: people out there?

1624
01:30:21,240 --> 01:30:25,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was thinking about this because if we're going

1625
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:27,559
Speaker 2: to just be able to if we can make a

1626
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:31,200
Speaker 2: recommendation that involves any member of the Koppola family, including

1627
01:30:31,240 --> 01:30:34,640
Speaker 2: the actors, not just the directors. I would like to

1628
01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:38,160
Speaker 2: recommend a movie from nineteen seventy nine, and it was

1629
01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:44,040
Speaker 2: a movie called Old Boyfriends. It was directed by Joan Tewksbury.

1630
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:48,760
Speaker 2: To direct the she wrote the screenplays for Nashville and

1631
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:51,880
Speaker 2: Thieves Like Us and she was very uh worked a

1632
01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:57,439
Speaker 2: lot with Robert Altman, obviously, But it stars Talia Shier, who,

1633
01:30:57,600 --> 01:31:00,879
Speaker 2: as you know, is the sister of Francis for Coppola

1634
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:05,439
Speaker 2: and is the mother of Jason and Robert Schwortzman. And

1635
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:09,000
Speaker 2: of course you know probably know her as Adrian from

1636
01:31:09,080 --> 01:31:12,439
Speaker 2: the Rocky movies. But she made this little movie called

1637
01:31:12,479 --> 01:31:15,320
Speaker 2: Old Boyfriends in the late seventies. But it's this like

1638
01:31:15,439 --> 01:31:18,600
Speaker 2: little movie about a woman who basically goes back and

1639
01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:22,599
Speaker 2: like visits her old boyfriends. It's kind of like a

1640
01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:27,840
Speaker 2: female version of high fidelity the Cusack movie. And it's

1641
01:31:27,880 --> 01:31:30,400
Speaker 2: really interesting because she's basically just like going back and

1642
01:31:30,479 --> 01:31:33,280
Speaker 2: visiting all these guys she dated. And I feel like

1643
01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:36,719
Speaker 2: there's a scene that happens in Minneapolis by the way,

1644
01:31:37,400 --> 01:31:42,840
Speaker 2: ooh yeah, I feel like it features John Belushi And

1645
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:46,479
Speaker 2: there is a moment of the movie which we talked

1646
01:31:46,479 --> 01:31:48,120
Speaker 2: about this movie and I saw what you did fair

1647
01:31:48,200 --> 01:31:56,800
Speaker 2: warning where I believe you see John Belushi's dick.

1648
01:31:57,920 --> 01:31:59,280
Speaker 1: Wow, I had no idea.

1649
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:02,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's like a two second moment, And

1650
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:07,000
Speaker 2: honestly it's probably because of like digital restoration in four

1651
01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:09,360
Speaker 2: K where you're like, I think we just saw a

1652
01:32:09,439 --> 01:32:13,799
Speaker 2: pop out of John. It's insane. Like when I first

1653
01:32:14,280 --> 01:32:19,760
Speaker 2: like noticed it, I was like, holy fucking shit, did

1654
01:32:19,800 --> 01:32:22,240
Speaker 2: I just see what I thought I saw? But anyway,

1655
01:32:22,439 --> 01:32:26,679
Speaker 2: my god, that's just a little notable moment of that movie.

1656
01:32:26,680 --> 01:32:29,400
Speaker 2: But otherwise it's a it's a really interesting film and

1657
01:32:29,439 --> 01:32:31,880
Speaker 2: I think Talia Shire is really great at it, And

1658
01:32:31,960 --> 01:32:34,519
Speaker 2: so that would be my employee pick for this week.

1659
01:32:34,680 --> 01:32:38,680
Speaker 1: Wow, fabulous, I have not seen that. I need to

1660
01:32:38,760 --> 01:32:40,840
Speaker 1: check that out. Sounds great, sounds right at my alley. Yes,

1661
01:32:41,960 --> 01:32:44,519
Speaker 1: I love John Belushi. I would love to see that.

1662
01:32:45,240 --> 01:32:49,639
Speaker 1: You want to see his you know what's a little Peter,

1663
01:32:51,800 --> 01:32:54,520
Speaker 1: Let's keep moving here and.

1664
01:32:55,840 --> 01:32:57,240
Speaker 3: The movie.

1665
01:32:57,439 --> 01:33:01,160
Speaker 1: This is maybe not an original recommendation, but it's kind

1666
01:33:01,160 --> 01:33:04,400
Speaker 1: of a cool one, I think. Sofia Coppola directed a

1667
01:33:04,439 --> 01:33:08,840
Speaker 1: short film in nineteen ninety eight called Lick the Star,

1668
01:33:11,360 --> 01:33:14,840
Speaker 1: and it's about a group of girls who like want

1669
01:33:14,840 --> 01:33:19,519
Speaker 1: to poison boys. Yes, and uh, it is a good

1670
01:33:19,560 --> 01:33:23,240
Speaker 1: indicator of her style. But it's cool to see this

1671
01:33:23,320 --> 01:33:25,760
Speaker 1: short film and know who she kind of became as

1672
01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:28,080
Speaker 1: a director and see sort of like where she went.

1673
01:33:28,120 --> 01:33:30,000
Speaker 1: And it's on YouTube. You can watch it right now,

1674
01:33:30,160 --> 01:33:31,439
Speaker 1: So Lick Yeah.

1675
01:33:31,400 --> 01:33:33,880
Speaker 2: Says it's also part of the bonus features on that

1676
01:33:33,960 --> 01:33:36,760
Speaker 2: Criterion version of Virgin Suicides.

1677
01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:39,200
Speaker 1: Oh is that right? I didn't know that, but yeah,

1678
01:33:39,240 --> 01:33:41,360
Speaker 1: Licked the Star. I was really kind of captivated by

1679
01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:44,160
Speaker 1: it when I saw it, And yeah, it's a great

1680
01:33:44,160 --> 01:33:46,679
Speaker 1: short film and you should check it out.

1681
01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:49,360
Speaker 2: Do you remember the show that she did with Zoe

1682
01:33:49,400 --> 01:33:50,760
Speaker 2: Cassii Octane? Yes?

1683
01:33:51,439 --> 01:33:56,240
Speaker 1: High Octane? Very cool show obsessed. She's so cool. She

1684
01:33:56,360 --> 01:34:03,040
Speaker 1: really I feel like Sophia coppel like really understood her time. Yeah,

1685
01:34:04,360 --> 01:34:09,720
Speaker 1: in a way that most people don't. And yeah, I'm

1686
01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:12,920
Speaker 1: so impressed by her. Did you see the What We

1687
01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:15,599
Speaker 1: Do in the Shadows episode where she and Jim Jarmush

1688
01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:16,639
Speaker 1: get their heads ripped off?

1689
01:34:16,760 --> 01:34:18,839
Speaker 2: No, Oh my god, amazing.

1690
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:23,360
Speaker 1: It's really funny to see Sophia Coppola in a show

1691
01:34:23,479 --> 01:34:25,400
Speaker 1: like that, like very unexpected.

1692
01:34:25,400 --> 01:34:28,120
Speaker 2: Listen, I remember watching High Octane. It used to come

1693
01:34:28,120 --> 01:34:30,840
Speaker 2: on in the middle of the night on one of

1694
01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:35,439
Speaker 2: Coral on Comedy Central and just seeing Sophia Coppola and

1695
01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:40,000
Speaker 2: Zoe Cassavetti's bopping around wearing their ex girl clothing. Do

1696
01:34:40,040 --> 01:34:44,240
Speaker 2: you remember ex girl? Kim Gordon's ex girl, and you know,

1697
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:49,439
Speaker 2: just the whole vibe of like their thing, which felt

1698
01:34:49,560 --> 01:34:54,400
Speaker 2: very like again like beastie boys adjacent, very like cool

1699
01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:58,840
Speaker 2: la people adjacent Kim Gordon like, oh my god, I

1700
01:34:58,880 --> 01:35:02,000
Speaker 2: was obsessed. Who didn't want to be those girls in

1701
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:03,559
Speaker 2: a late nineties So.

1702
01:35:03,760 --> 01:35:08,519
Speaker 1: I know, all right, yeah, that's it. Anyways, that's it.

1703
01:35:08,600 --> 01:35:11,000
Speaker 1: What a show. This is so fun. Thank you Millie

1704
01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:14,640
Speaker 1: for talking to me about all this great stuff. I

1705
01:35:14,680 --> 01:35:18,120
Speaker 1: was just so captivated watching Virgin Suicides again and kind

1706
01:35:18,120 --> 01:35:20,080
Speaker 1: of entering this world was really enjoyable.

1707
01:35:20,200 --> 01:35:22,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for talking to me about it.

1708
01:35:22,160 --> 01:35:22,400
Speaker 3: I was.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting to be able to go back to something

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Speaker 2: that was twenty five years old and rewatch it with

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Speaker 2: virgin eyes almost wow.

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Speaker 1: Oh it's so much more to say, but we'll have

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Speaker 1: to keep it. I'll have to shut up.

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Speaker 2: I know, I know. I felt like we could have

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01:35:40,040 --> 01:35:42,439
Speaker 2: gone so long on the rest of the family. We

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01:35:42,479 --> 01:35:47,679
Speaker 2: didn't apologize, but to write to us if you want

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01:35:47,720 --> 01:35:49,960
Speaker 2: to get some film advice for the end of our show.

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01:35:50,080 --> 01:35:52,600
Speaker 2: If you just want a recommendation, if you want a

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01:35:52,680 --> 01:35:55,680
Speaker 2: film gripe resolved. We haven't gotten a film grape in

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Speaker 2: a while. You should.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, send some film grapes. Yeah, yeah, I let me.

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01:35:59,720 --> 01:36:01,960
Speaker 1: I need ponder because I have so many film gripes

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01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:04,040
Speaker 1: that I just need to synthesize them into something I

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Speaker 1: can say in the show.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I've done the last couple of gripes,

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01:36:06,479 --> 01:36:07,720
Speaker 2: so I need to I need to take it.

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Speaker 1: I need to Okay, I need to pull my weight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go. But yeah.

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Speaker 1: Email us at Dear Movies at exactly right media dot com.

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Speaker 1: You can also follow us on our socials at deer Movies,

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Speaker 2: Letterbox handles are at Casey le O'Brien and m de Jericho.

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Speaker 2: It's where we discover that we've rated things two stars.

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Speaker 1: Oofah, I know, and it doesn't mean I didn't like

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Speaker 1: April Fools. I just gave it two stars. That's just

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01:36:36,760 --> 01:36:37,200
Speaker 1: the rating.

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01:36:37,240 --> 01:36:38,960
Speaker 2: Listen, if if they had if there was a star

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01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:41,599
Speaker 2: rating for the cover alone, it would have gotten six stars.

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01:36:42,280 --> 01:36:46,439
Speaker 2: You're right, you know, be be honest, but also listen

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Speaker 2: to us Dear Movies, I Love you on the oar

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Speaker 2: Heart radio app, Apple podcasts wherever you get your podcasts,

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Speaker 2: and please rate and review the show positive like listen

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01:36:56,240 --> 01:37:00,240
Speaker 2: preferably preferably preferably positive. If you don't got anything good

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01:37:00,280 --> 01:37:02,880
Speaker 2: to say, then email us at Dear Movies at exactly

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01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:07,160
Speaker 2: rightmedia dot com. That's your film, grape is. Just tell us,

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01:37:07,320 --> 01:37:11,639
Speaker 2: bast just don't leave it in public. Come on, like yes,

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01:37:12,240 --> 01:37:15,599
Speaker 2: please be nice, five stars, nice review, It would be great.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:19,320
Speaker 1: If you made it to the end of the episode.

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01:37:19,360 --> 01:37:21,519
Speaker 1: How can you not make it a positive review? That's

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01:37:21,520 --> 01:37:27,240
Speaker 1: my opinion. But anyways, uh, anyways, Millie, Wow, thank you.

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01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:27,880
Speaker 1: What a show.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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01:37:28,680 --> 01:37:31,880
Speaker 1: So great to see you. And I'm glad you didn't

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01:37:31,880 --> 01:37:33,840
Speaker 1: stay in Japan forever I know, because.

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01:37:33,560 --> 01:37:36,120
Speaker 2: Then otherwise we wouldn't have had next week's episode, which

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Speaker 2: I don't even know what about.

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01:37:38,040 --> 01:37:41,320
Speaker 1: That's right, we're doing that now. I forgot so next

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Speaker 1: week's episode. Okay, So here's the thing. We have a

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Speaker 1: hiatus week next week, so you will not hear us

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Speaker 1: next week, folks. There will be no episode next week.

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Speaker 1: But after that we're coming back with style and we're

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Speaker 1: gonna be talking about mockumentaries. Yes, and a little movie

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Speaker 1: called Waiting for Guffman. Yes, exciting.

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Speaker 2: There's an anniversary involved with that maybe I don't know.

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01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:09,400
Speaker 1: No, I don't think so, we just want to talk

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Speaker 1: about it.

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Speaker 2: That's fine. Yeah, yeah, that'll be a fun episode for sure.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, thanks everybody for listening. We'll see you in

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Speaker 2: two weeks and uh yeah, have a good break case.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you too, Bye bye bye.

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Speaker 2: This has been an exactly right production hosted by me

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Speaker 2: Milli to Chercho and produced by my co host Casey O'Brien.

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Speaker 1: This episode was mixed by Tom bryfocal. Our associate producer

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01:38:37,280 --> 01:38:40,680
Speaker 1: is Christina Chamberlain, our guest booker is Patrick Cottner, and

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Speaker 1: our artwork is by Vanessa Lilac.

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01:38:42,760 --> 01:38:45,640
Speaker 2: Our incredible theme music is by the best band in

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Speaker 2: the entire world, The Softies.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to our executive producers Karen Kilgareff, Georgia hart Stark,

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01:38:51,920 --> 01:38:54,320
Speaker 1: Daniel Kramer and Millie to Jericho.

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Speaker 2: We love you. Goodbyeker The ut