1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: Welcome into the Wednesday Bible Study. I'm Rick Burgess, and 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: we are studying the very provocative book of Job. If 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: you want to go ahead and turn, we're going to 4 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:13,319 Speaker 1: be in Job chapter eight. And I've getten a lot 5 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: of feedback from all over the country, some of you 6 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 1: that are kind of discovering the Bible Study for the 7 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: first time. We've been at this for a decade and 8 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: you're wondering, how do I go back and pick up 9 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: parts I missed in this study or any of the studies. 10 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: It is interesting to hear from you. 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Lord, thank you 35 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: for today, What an incredible opportunity we have to open 36 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: up your Holy Word again and continue to learn through 37 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: this very provocative and interesting story of Job, the things 38 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: that you allowed him to go through, how you found 39 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 1: him worthy to test and to refine. Lord, help us 40 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: today to continue to glean and take away all aspects 41 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: of this, especially now that we're in the part about 42 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: his friends, where we're looking at both sides. We see 43 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: ourselves as Job, but also we need to not forget 44 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:35,119 Speaker 1: to also examine ourselves through the eyes of these friends 45 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: and help us through that today and your Holy name 46 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: we pray Amen. All right, So we are now rolling 47 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: our way into build a Build. Dad is up next. 48 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: I was reading people asked me a lot of times, 49 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: what are some of the resources that you use for 50 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: these Bible studies. Now I'm going to tell you this one, 51 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna read a little bit from it or 52 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 1: go through a little bit from it. This is one 53 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: that I would call supplemental. I would not have this 54 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: as my main commentary on the Book of Job. It's supplemental. 55 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: It's not overly deep, but it really is a nice 56 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: overview and a summary of the Book of Job. And 57 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 1: I love the title of the book, let God Be God, 58 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:19,519 Speaker 1: Life Changing Truths from the Book of Job by Ray C. Steedman. 59 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: I've enjoyed reading along with Ray. Again, it's not in depth, 60 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: it's not expository, it's not verse by verse, but it 61 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: is a good supplement. But he opens up as we 62 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: get into this part about Bill Dad and he's talking 63 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: about C. S. Lewis, and of course we remember when C. S. 64 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: Lewis put out his first book on suffering in nineteen forty, 65 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: called The Problem of Pain. So the Problem of Pain 66 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: was a little bit different because now he's looking at 67 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: something from a theological standpoint. Only really the purpose of 68 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: that book because I don't want this to be cast 69 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: in the wrong light. The purpose of that book is 70 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: he's refuting atheists that say, well, God can't be real 71 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: with all the bad things that happened, And that was 72 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: the role of that book. But there was kind of 73 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: a funny thing that happened around the time it was published. 74 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: He became acquainted with a Christian poet and novelist named 75 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: Charles Williams. Now, they can't you ever had you become 76 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 1: friends with somebody but they're not in your other group, 77 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,359 Speaker 1: and you bring him to the group. Hey, I'm gonna go. 78 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: I want to introduce you to my other group. Now 79 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: you remember this group. This was the bunch that met 80 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 1: and really had some incredible discussions called the Inklings, and 81 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 1: that had authors and scholars J. R. R. Tolkien, Owen 82 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 1: Barfield and Hugo Dyson. You know, they would all get 83 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: together with C. S. Lewis and at the local pub 84 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: and and I'm sure they didn't serve alcohol there, but 85 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: so so they would they would talk about, you know, 86 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: these deep concepts. You remember, Token and C. S. Lewis 87 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: gotten into the argument about, you know, he didn't like 88 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: the Chronicles of Narnia. He thought they it was silly 89 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: and it wasn't as good as what he was doing, 90 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: you know, and all those arguments, and then of course 91 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 1: he and Tolkien got into it about you know, him 92 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: marrying a woman who had been divorced. You remember that 93 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: that was kind of a falling out. So there was 94 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: a lot going on with that group. So Charles Williams 95 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 1: was invited to Enjoy to join their discussion that day, 96 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: and they got into a discussion of the book of Job. 97 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,919 Speaker 1: That's why it's in this book. And during the talk, 98 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: Charles Williams, who's new to the group, now remember this 99 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: is first time in he pointed out that God permitted 100 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: Job to boldly, even angrily question him. Though he did 101 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: point out to Job that his human understanding was flawed 102 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 1: and limited, and we'll get to that later in the book. 103 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: God never reprimanded Job or punished him for asking tough, 104 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: painful questions about suffering. Instead, God's displeasure was reserved for 105 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: Job's so called comforters, the three friends who tried to 106 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: provide simplistic answers to life's tough questions. And then Williams 107 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 1: said this to C. S. Lewis, the sort of people 108 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,919 Speaker 1: who write books on this, called things like the Problem 109 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 1: of Pain. And Lewis was like, whoa are you taking 110 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 1: a shot at me? And he was pointing out they 111 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 1: kitted around and they laughed about it, but he was saying, 112 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: you know, it's one thing to talk about it from 113 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: a theological standpoint, it's another thing to actually live it. Well, 114 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: we know what happened to C. S. Lewis, don't we. 115 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 1: He wrote another book later, and A Grief Observed, after 116 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 1: his wife he watched her die of bone cancer. And 117 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: in that book, The Grief Observed, it's a different C. S. Lewis. 118 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: It reads a lot more like Job, and he has 119 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: intense questions. He doesn't offer pat answers anymore. And it 120 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: shows that C. S. Lewis had a completely different view 121 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: when he wrote A Grief Observed as opposed to when 122 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: he wrote the Problem of Pain. Again, the Problem of 123 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 1: Pain served a purpose. It was to few the atheists, 124 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: so Charles Williams didn't mean it had no value. He 125 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: was just saying, it's a little different to write it 126 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: from that standpoint. And then later, of course CEUs Lewis 127 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: had to live it. Well, that kind of gets us 128 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: in to build that. And I want you to understand, 129 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: even though la Fast did it a little bit different, 130 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: Bill Dad's gonna be a little a little more straightforward here. 131 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: And if you really think we we've all met a 132 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: Bill Dad here or there, this is the person who says, look, man, 133 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna shoot you straight I don't I don't 134 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: have any I'm not even trying to to softball this 135 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: or to show any compassion. I just tell it like 136 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: it is. And that's a build that, and there's a 137 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: place for that. Uh it's not here. Uh but uh 138 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: but I want you to understand build that a little bit. 139 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: And you're gonna see this being revealed throughout this chapter. 140 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: All he's doing is quoting everything that they had been 141 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: passing on and it was the theology of the day. 142 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: So he's just saying, I'm just going with what I've 143 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: always been taught about this and job. But I'm a 144 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: little surprised you're not picking up on this. This is 145 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: what we all know. This was the theology of the day, 146 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: and Bill Dad is going to point that out. So 147 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: it just tells us who he is in in chapter one. 148 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: All this in verse one of chapter eight, and that 149 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: in this verse, all this is is kind of like 150 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: when we started in four. It's just showing you that 151 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: there's a change in speaker. Uh. Bill Dad, now the 152 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: shoe height answered and said, now let's get into the 153 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: meat of it. So when you when you see Bill Dad, 154 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: you got to understand he is a traditionalist. Okay. Uh. 155 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: He is saying repent. Uh. This has to be tied 156 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 1: to sin because this is how it works. Uh. And 157 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: again he's that guy. We've we've all been around this guy. Sometimes. 158 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: I admit I have the personality to be this guy 159 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: where I sit down and I say, nothing emotional going on, 160 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: it's just a lot. Let's don't get into emotions. Let's 161 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 1: just talk about the truth. Let's talk about logic. Uh. 162 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: And he's going to rebuke Job, and he's going to 163 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: rebuke him in a straightforward way with no concern of 164 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: feelings or the suffering that Job is going through. Bill 165 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: Dad will basically say, you just need to admit that 166 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: you deserve this. You brought this on yourself, okay, and 167 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: the quicker, you admit that the quicker, we can get 168 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: the resolution. Now he does do that, and this you'll 169 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: love this. In the chapter he does acknowledge that you 170 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 1: can be restored. But you got it. You gotta repent, Job, 171 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta tell us what you've been doing. 172 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: Now he's conveniently leaving out. And this is where you 173 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: start wondering what did they know during the time of job, 174 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: Because even if he had genesis, he would know that 175 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: Abel didn't do anything I mean able, I mean his 176 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 1: brother just got mad because Abel did the right thing 177 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: and he did so Abel didn't deserve to be murdered 178 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: by his brother. He didn't commit any sin. So Bill 179 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: Dad would if he knows that, he has to ignore that. 180 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: Well that Joseph, my goodness, I mean Joseph. One bad 181 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: thing after another is allowed to happen to Joseph, and 182 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: we don't none of that's tied to sin. So did 183 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: Bill Dad not know that? And of course we know 184 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: he didn't know this one. Then you get down to 185 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: the New Covenant. Did Jesus deserve what he went through? 186 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: It served a purpose, but he certainly didn't bring it 187 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: on himself. Right. And then you get into the Apostle Paul, 188 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 1: all the suffering that. Of course he doesn't know that, 189 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: but we know that. I mean, the Apostle Paul tells 190 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,439 Speaker 1: us over and over again, all the horrible things he's 191 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:49,079 Speaker 1: been through. He's even told when Anoneyus goes to see him, 192 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: let him know all the things he must suffer for me. 193 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: He doesn't say, let him know the things I'm gonna 194 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 1: punish him for. For all the sin that he did 195 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: when he was persecuting the church. He didn't say that 196 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: he's been redeemed. That he's telling him that when you 197 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: take on the new ministry to the Gentiles and to 198 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: the Hebrews, but mainly to the Gentiles, you're going to 199 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 1: go through hell on earth to advance this very church 200 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: that you once were persecuting. And none of that suffering 201 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: is tied to Paul's in As a matter of fact, 202 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: the more Paul is committed, the harder his life gets. 203 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: And he says, this is good for me, because I 204 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: know that the Lord is doing this to keep me 205 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:35,559 Speaker 1: from becoming conceded. Apparently that was one of Paul's problems 206 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: and God knew it. So Bill Dad doesn't appear to 207 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:42,839 Speaker 1: know any of that. And you know he wouldn't know 208 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: the New Testament, but you think, did he not know 209 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: any of this in the Old Testament? So don't know, 210 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 1: but you'll see that he's going to tell you that 211 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: this was the theology of the day. So if you're 212 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: looking at Bill Dad and I've got some people that 213 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 1: popped into my mind, and I bet some people popped 214 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: into yours. This is the cold intellectual thinker, hard nosed debater. 215 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 1: He's gonna simply remind Job of what they apparently at 216 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: the time all believed. More on that later, and this 217 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 1: is what he's going to remind Job, which is what 218 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:23,079 Speaker 1: they believed in this day. Tragedy is always God's punishment 219 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: for sin, especially hidden sin. Now can you imagine how 220 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: this feels when you're in the position of Joe. Now 221 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: he has heard Job respond to Elapaz. Don't miss that. 222 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: He didn't miss that. He heard that entire conversation, and 223 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:45,679 Speaker 1: he is not impacted by whatsoever. Okay, so here we go, 224 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: and he's gonna start off like Eliphaz. He's gonna start 225 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: with a question, but he's much much less tactful and 226 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: much more offensive. He wants Job to move off, standing 227 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: on the ground that he has no hidden sin. Job, 228 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: by the way, never moves off this. Bill Dad does 229 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: not change Job's stance because Job knows the truth. Remember 230 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: Job does not know about the conversation with God and Lucifer. Okay, 231 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: but he knows that he hasn't done anything wrong that 232 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 1: he can think of. So Bill Dad wastes no time. 233 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:25,199 Speaker 1: Can you imagine going through the Lafast thing? Mister passive aggressive? 234 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: You've had this excruciating response from Job, and here comes 235 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,559 Speaker 1: Bill Dad's first words. How long are you going to 236 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 1: say these things? And the words of your mouth be 237 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: like a great wind? What a bag of air? How 238 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: much long are you going to rat along about you 239 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: didn't do anything? And thank you Bill Dad, I say 240 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: you were really impacted by my conversation with lafas the 241 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: You know guys like Bill Dad, you think the whole 242 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: time they're talking, he's not listening. He just can't wait 243 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: for his turn. You know this guy right can't wait 244 00:13:57,679 --> 00:13:59,319 Speaker 1: to say something to me. I haven't even heard the 245 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: other discussions. I can't wait till I get to say 246 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: something so that's where he is. And then he goes 247 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: into three and he says, does God pervert justice? Or 248 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: does the Almighty pervert the right? He says, God will. Well, 249 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: you know, when you see this, this very point that 250 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: Bill Dad's making, this is one thing I love. Those 251 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: of you that have already studied the book or you've 252 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: read it, you know this. Even though Bill Dad is 253 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: not an example of how we should be friends to 254 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: people who are suffering, God is actually going to use 255 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: this point with job later. Do I mess up so anything? 256 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: Do I do things wrong? And Bill Dad knows that 257 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: about God, and he's now using that. God will bring 258 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: that up in chapter forty, by the way, But right 259 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: now Bill Dad is using it in the wrong way. 260 00:14:56,040 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: Is God ever wrong? Remember Genesis eighteen fifteen, what Abraham 261 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: said about the destruction of Sodom, will not the judge 262 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: of the earth do right? Remember Abraham dealing with that 263 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: if he destroys them, they had it coming God. If 264 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: God destroys Sodom, then I guess that's right. Now we 265 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: got to get my nephew out of there. But you know, 266 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: but he said God does the right thing, and that's 267 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: what Build Dad is saying. God doesn't mess up, So 268 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: if he's doing this to you, then he's not doing 269 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: anything wrong. But he thinks it's tied to sin. He 270 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: has no concept of testing someone that we know God 271 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: testing someone the opportunity to glorify God. God is using 272 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: job to prove Lucifer wrong. They have no concept of 273 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: that job. Bar Bildad are elephants? Are the others to come. 274 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: We'll see the younger guy get close before we're done for. 275 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: And this is when you realize that, Bill Dad, he 276 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: has zero concern for fear. I mean zero concern. Good 277 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: night to say something like this in the moment. Have 278 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: you ever been around those people that you go ben, 279 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: you do your tone death. You do not know time 280 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: and place. We all know them. I've got some that 281 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: are good friends of mine and Buddy, when they come in, 282 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: they'll wreck the room and you just have to know it, 283 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: you know. But anyway, so here it comes a Bill Dad. 284 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: He doesn't wait long. If your children have sinned against him, 285 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: he has delivered them into the hand of their transgression. 286 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: I'll tell you why God killed you kids, because they're 287 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: a bunch of sinners. They had it coming. I bet 288 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: that felt great. You got ten children killed by storm, 289 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: and the so called friend says, and they deserved it. 290 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: And so God is this is probably the most cruel 291 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: and least tactful thing. He says, basic theology, and Bill 292 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: Dad's not coming off of it. It's the theology of 293 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:04,199 Speaker 1: what retribution? That how about this? These three men are 294 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: going to hang on to this, that are talking to him, 295 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 1: Your children Job were punished for their sin. Now we 296 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: know that we knew about the kids and they and 297 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: they were getting together and having parties, but we never 298 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: see that Job ever got confirmation that they were revelers 299 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,959 Speaker 1: and that they were sinning. Remember, he made burnt offerings 300 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: for each child, and if you go back to chapter one, 301 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 1: verse five, it was just in case they had sinned. 302 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: So even if they had a little too much to 303 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: drink or got a little rowdy, the what was called 304 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 1: for in that time period for repentance and retribution. That 305 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:53,400 Speaker 1: God's anger should have been satisfied by the godly job 306 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: sacrifice on behalf of his children. So, first of all, 307 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 1: we don't know that they ever did sin. He said, 308 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 1: just in case they would, and if if they did, 309 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:02,199 Speaker 1: he did what you had to do, have them to 310 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,360 Speaker 1: be forgiven apparently buil Dad's not taking that into account 311 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: at all. He's saying, I'm telling you why you kids 312 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: are dead because a bunch of that bunch of hell raisers. 313 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: And again that felt great, I'm sure in this moment. 314 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 1: So now we get to five. Now this is where 315 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: you see build that he's not He's not going to 316 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: give it vice. He's called him to repentance. Now he's 317 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: going to give it vice. And I'm sure Joe's listening. 318 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: If you will seek God and plead with the Almighty 319 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: for mercy six, if you are pure and upright, that's 320 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: a shot, by the way. Surely then he will rouse 321 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 1: himself for you and restore your rightful habitation. Seek God 322 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: and plead for mercy verse five. The original language, by 323 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 1: the way, if you go to the original language here, 324 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 1: really and we have the word, but it's really saying, 325 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:06,360 Speaker 1: seek grace and implore favor. Hey, ask God to be gracious, 326 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: get back in his favor. This is actually good advice. 327 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 1: The only problem is it's based on an assumption that 328 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: Job has something to repent for. What he's saying about 329 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: God is true and comforting, but remember he's still staying 330 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: with the accusation you need to make this right with God. 331 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 1: If you are verse six and don't think the verse 332 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: six is not a shot. If you're pure and upright, 333 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: you think you'd heard that about Job before. You think, Oh, 334 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: mister pure and upright, if you're everything you say, if 335 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 1: you're so pure and you're so upright, well, surely God 336 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 1: will restore you and your former life that you had 337 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 1: with all your wealth and your beautiful house and all this. 338 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: Surely God will restore mister pure and upright back to 339 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: the habitation you had before. He'll take you right back 340 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: to where you were. All you have to do is 341 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: repent now. He is correct. Everything that he's saying right 342 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: here is correct. We even know. If I hate to 343 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: give away the ending, He's right. God is going to 344 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 1: restore Job. But it's not because Job needed to repent. Now, 345 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 1: Job's gonna gonna get set straight by God before we're 346 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: done on who God is and who he isn't and 347 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: uh and so God's gonna humble Job, and Job's learning 348 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 1: stuff through this that he doesn't know yet. Remember we 349 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: talked about that last week. I had a lot of 350 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 1: you saying, hey, I liked seeing last week. Here Satan's 351 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:45,640 Speaker 1: purpose for this excruciating time in his life. Here's God's purpose. Uh, 352 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,439 Speaker 1: And you got to remember both these are happening. He 353 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 1: doesn't know God's purpose yet and he doesn't even know 354 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: what's going on with why he's being attacked. So then 355 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: you get to seven and build that even again is correct. 356 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: And though your beginning was small, your latter days will 357 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: be very great. He's right. We know those of us 358 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: that have already read it, and if you haven't, I'm 359 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: giving away the end. Job is going to not just 360 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 1: be restored to his former He's going to be given 361 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 1: more than he had to begin with. If you pass 362 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: the test. Well, Bill, Dad knows about God. He just 363 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: can't get correct theology on why he is suffering again, 364 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: He has no idea. But he's actually partially right. Not 365 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: sure we can say his former life was small. That 366 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: part I'm not sure about that, but we certainly can 367 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:40,239 Speaker 1: say that his future will exceed his past. Is that 368 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: comforting to you today? You know, just just say, man, 369 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: just just hold on, do not do not fail the test. 370 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,919 Speaker 1: God's going to see you through it. Now for some people, 371 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: some of this is never going to happen on earth. 372 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 1: But for everybody, our future if you're redeemed, will far 373 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 1: exceed you passed, and you're present far exceeded. Okay. Sometimes 374 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: it happens on earth. Every time it happens in eternity 375 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: for the redeemed. Okay, now we're going to get into 376 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: Build Dad and some reasoning. Let's let's reason this out. Okay, 377 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 1: Verse eight for inquiry please, of bygone ages. And here's 378 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: where we know and consider what the fathers have searched out. 379 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: Now this is now what we're looking for. Here's confirmation. 380 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: What is he telling Job, this is what we've been taught. 381 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: This is what our daddy and our granddaddy taught us, 382 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: the theology of retribution. If we're in sin, God punishes 383 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: us for it. And he's saying, I'm just simply quoting 384 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: to you, Job, what we've all been taught for ages. 385 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: So that is confirmation that that was the reigning theology 386 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: of the day. Okay. And and he says, this shows 387 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: it that you know, Build Dad and the others were 388 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 1: taught this the it was long held wisdom. If you 389 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: just see this from one side of even scripture, then 390 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,199 Speaker 1: then of course you'd be correct. But Job's, you know, 391 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: frustrated that they are not open to discuss any other 392 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: part of God's character on suffering. That's what's frustrating him 393 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 1: and we have to be careful of that. Have you? 394 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,199 Speaker 1: Have you ever before my hands up? You wanted to 395 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 1: make a stand and you wanted to win a debate, 396 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: so you conveniently only talked about part of scripture. Well, 397 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 1: I'll tell you one thing. Tell God did this, this 398 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: and that, and you're leaving out the times to somebody said, 399 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: well he also did this, this, and that. It's like 400 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 1: the time that I was. I gotta be careful for 401 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: I was. But there there was, there was there was 402 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: a podcast that was becoming popular, uh, and it was 403 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 1: kind of hidden. It was really hosted by universalists. And 404 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,880 Speaker 1: if you didn't know that, you get on. You get 405 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 1: in there. Hey this sounds great. Guys are solid, you 406 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 1: know if you don't know, and you pick up when 407 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 1: they talk about who their influencers were, and once you 408 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: hear some of these scary names, you're like, ooh, you 409 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: got to turn this podcast off. But I had people 410 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 1: that I knew they were all in on this podcast, 411 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 1: and I was like, hey, man, I'd stay away from 412 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 1: that podcast. What do you mean? Well, I like I 413 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 1: was talking to that, you know, and they were talking 414 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: about it so true that you know, really we have 415 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: to remember all the way back at the beginning that 416 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,959 Speaker 1: ultimately God loves us, right that that that's correct. Sure absolutely, 417 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: God's on record for that. Sure well, I mean, you know, 418 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,400 Speaker 1: when you got to go back to that, you got 419 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 1: to go back to the original, you know, the creation 420 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: and and and it starts with love and and God 421 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: created human beings and he he he just you know, 422 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: and really the podcast was one of these podcasts where 423 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 1: God's just enamored with us. I mean, he is so 424 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 1: enamored with us. He didn't quite worship us, but it 425 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,479 Speaker 1: was ultimately, if he really loved us the way that 426 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: we see, surely no one's going to be sent to hell. 427 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: Surely that that we're all going. I mean, Jesus did 428 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,199 Speaker 1: go to the and he's paid the price. And and 429 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: this is back to God's character. And the guy's sitting 430 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: there talking to him, I said, yeah, I said, but 431 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: Genesis six is kind of a problem, isn't it. Huh? 432 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: I said, Well, that's when he killed everybody but eight people. 433 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: He killed everybody, okay except eight people. He kept eight okay, 434 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 1: And the God just says the HENASTEREI him. I said, 435 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: so you got it. That's in Genesis too, I said, 436 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: you you you got to see all of God's uh uh, 437 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 1: you know, I got news for you. If if someone 438 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 1: rejects the the ability to be made fully righteous by 439 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: Jesus and they walk into the presence of a holy God, 440 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: they're not on the ark. So be real careful with that. 441 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,439 Speaker 1: And uh and so uh so that So that's you know, 442 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 1: that's just an example. And here build Dad is on 443 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: the other end of that. He's all God brings it 444 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: down on people because they don't act right, and he 445 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,679 Speaker 1: killed your kids because they're sinners. And this is what 446 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 1: we've been taught. We all know that. And Job's like, 447 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: but there's other things about God, and he can't get 448 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 1: anybody listen. He doesn't know, but he just knows that's 449 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: not why I'm in this situation. So there must be 450 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 1: something different going on. He didn't know what it is yet, 451 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,880 Speaker 1: but Bill Dad is not open to saying, Maury could 452 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: be maybe I don't know. Joe, Now think about this. 453 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: The thing that has to hurt the most is these 454 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: three men, and they must know him pretty well. They 455 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 1: will not even remotely consider that he may not have seen. 456 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,479 Speaker 1: That's got to feel bad. It's got to feel bad. 457 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: Verse nine, For we are but of yesterday and know nothing, 458 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: for our days on earth are a shadow. Bill Dad says, 459 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: do we have more wisdom than the former generations? I 460 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 1: don't think so, Joe, And we are people of yesterday. 461 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: We don't even have the knowledge these people who taught 462 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,239 Speaker 1: us this. You think you're smarter than all those that 463 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: have taught us this the apt we're nothing compared to 464 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: the wisdom they had. And so then you get into 465 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: verse ten. Do you do you see that I'm on 466 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: the wrong one, he says. He gets into verse ten, 467 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 1: and he says, will they not teach you and tell 468 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 1: you and utter words out of their understanding? These are 469 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: questions that Bill Dad knows the answers. He knows that 470 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 1: he's just being the rhetorical here. He knows it should 471 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: be yes, and yes they tea taught us from wisdom. 472 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 1: Yes they did, and yes this is what they taught 473 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: He wants job and look, I've done this before. You know, 474 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, this is one of the 475 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: first things I go to if I'm getting into a 476 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,640 Speaker 1: debate of any kind is. I'll always say, now, let's 477 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,679 Speaker 1: talk about the things that we do not disagree on. 478 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 1: Now we agree this is right, right, we agree on 479 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: that right. Well, that's what Bill Dad's doing. I can't 480 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,679 Speaker 1: believe that you're not going along with me. Do you 481 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: not believe the things that we were taught? I thought 482 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 1: at one time we all believe this. Well, sometimes when 483 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: our theology is wrong and we think we've got something 484 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 1: figured out, God will correct us and say you don't 485 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 1: have that right. And Joe's getting corrected right now. But 486 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,919 Speaker 1: Bill Dad doesn't want any part of even considering that 487 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,439 Speaker 1: God may be revealing himself in a way they haven't 488 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,679 Speaker 1: seen yet. He's not even considering that. And he's saying, 489 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,199 Speaker 1: I thought we were all in agreement on the theology 490 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 1: of retribution, and now suddenly you're not. And did you 491 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: get some understanding that's better than what we've been taught? 492 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 1: Eleven can and this is the Papyrus the Papyrus analogy. 493 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: This really gets a lot going here. People say, well, 494 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: if he's talking about the papyrus plant, this must be 495 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: somewhere near the Nile. I would the commentators I've read 496 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: they say, I wouldn't go that far they might be 497 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: familiar with this. It doesn't mean that's where this is happening, 498 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 1: but it's something they understood, these swamp plants. He says, well, 499 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: can this grow where there's no marsh? Can reads flourish 500 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: where there is no water? So this is usually, like 501 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 1: I said, associated with the nile, But it doesn't mean 502 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: that's where they were build. That is just using an 503 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: illustration that apparently they were all familiar with. Certain conditions 504 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: must prevail in order for specific results to occur. Okay, 505 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: if you were as righteous as you claim to be, 506 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 1: then then you the plant would look different. And then 507 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: he's going to make a greater point because one thing 508 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: about this kind of these plants is have you ever 509 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: we have this with the azaleas where we live. Those 510 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: of you out there were from Alabama, so this is 511 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: our azalea time of year. I mean they're almost blindingly beautiful, 512 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: but it ain't for long. I mean they come out 513 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: and you think, man, this is heaven on earth, and 514 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: then you come back the next ding they're all dead. 515 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: You're like, what happened? I mean you were glorious really 516 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,239 Speaker 1: for a short period of time. So the point that 517 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: he's trying to make. Here is you know these things, 518 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: they're pretty impressive, and they may have the right conditions, 519 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: but all of a sudden they just die for no reason. 520 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: Maybe that's you. Look what he says next, He says, 521 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: while yet in flower and not cut down, they wither 522 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 1: before any other plant. They look good, but not for long. 523 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: And he's using job saying, well, just because you looked 524 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: good for a time, that doesn't mean that you haven't withered. 525 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: Just like these plants. We know that these are questions 526 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: that build. Dad knows the answers to as well, and 527 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 1: he's saying lessons from the swamp grasses. They seem to 528 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: die mid life. This is verse twelve now, and really 529 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: for no cause. They have a mid life let down? Job, 530 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: isn't this true? Thirteen? Such are the pasts of all 531 00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: who forget God. The hope of the godless shall perish. 532 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 1: Job You're you're like these swamp grasses. You look good 533 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 1: for a while, but just like the swamp grass that 534 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: just seems to die for no reason and seems to 535 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: wither midlife when they look so great. Maybe a man 536 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: who has been called blameless and upright has suddenly at 537 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 1: this midlife withered. He and he doesn't even let Job. 538 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: He lets him know. Look at thirteen tells you, this 539 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: is what I mean by that, just like these plants, 540 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: those who forget God look just like that. So what 541 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: is he saying to his so called friend, You've forgotten 542 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: God and you just need to admit it. You just 543 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: need to say it, because I'm using this analogy job 544 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 1: for you to think that those who forget God will 545 00:31:55,240 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: likewise perish. He never really names Job. He said people 546 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: who forget God, but the remark is clearly clearly aimed 547 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 1: at Job. And then Bill Dad goes into kind of 548 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 1: a He's going to now pontificate on life is fragile. 549 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: Life is fragile. So he goes into fourteen talking about 550 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 1: those who forget God. His confidence is severed, and his 551 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: trust is a spider's web. The godless, I mean, their 552 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: life is as fragile as anybody, any human that thinks 553 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 1: you can go to a spider web and lay on 554 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 1: it like a spider that hold you. That's about how 555 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 1: much his trust. If you've forgotten God, it's fragile, just 556 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 1: like a web expecting to hold up a human being. 557 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: Fifteen He leans against his house, but it does not stand. 558 00:32:55,760 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 1: He lays hold of it, but it does not endure. Hey, 559 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: that well may hold a spider, but it'll never hold 560 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: a human. It will not last. And what you've done, Job, 561 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: is you've looked at us. We've seen you. It looks 562 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: impressive all this life that we've been looking at. It 563 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 1: ain't nothing but a spider web. And finally it gave away. 564 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 1: It didn't hold your foundation. We might have thought it 565 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: looked good when you were just a spider, but eventually 566 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 1: the weight of you has revealed that your whole foundation 567 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,959 Speaker 1: is nothing but a spider web. Again, I know this 568 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: feels great if you're in Job's position. Now keep in 569 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: mind he is miserable this entire time. Have you ever 570 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: had anybody trying to talk at you while you're miserable? 571 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: I have a hard time even caring on a conversation 572 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: if I'm in pain, you know what I mean, Like 573 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: you got something bothering. You just seem like that, and 574 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: they're just talking at you. Before you know it, they're 575 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: just watching their mouth move because all you're doing is 576 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: I heard I'm miserable. I'm miserable, I feel terrible, I'm sick, 577 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 1: A miserable A miserable, And then all said, have you 578 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: ever had anybody go you know what I'm talking about? 579 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: And you're just like, I'm not listening to you. I'm miserable. 580 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: All you are is noise. You're just rattling on. I'm miserable. 581 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 1: And you ever had anybody get say how I want 582 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: to talk to you about something? You can I feel better? First, 583 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 1: I'm in no position to hear this right now. All 584 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,760 Speaker 1: I know is I'm sick. I don't feel good, I'm terrible, 585 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: I'm in excruciating pain, whatever the case may be. And 586 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 1: so Bill dad though of course he's been waiting his turn, 587 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 1: and by golly, we're going to listen to it. So 588 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 1: then he goes on to say in sixteen he is 589 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,320 Speaker 1: a lush plant before the sun and his shoes spread 590 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 1: over his garden. Now he's gone back to the well 591 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:47,879 Speaker 1: watered plant thing again, but this time he's saying, some 592 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 1: plants look well rooted, but they're uprooted pretty quick. They 593 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: have a false confidence job. Not that I'm speaking directly 594 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 1: at you, but a lot of times things look like 595 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 1: they're really well rooted, only to discover they're ripped up 596 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 1: pretty easy. And so they you know, what it is job. 597 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: The people that look good, they've got their confidence in 598 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:20,919 Speaker 1: the wrong things. And now don't miss the offshoots here. 599 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 1: Bill Dad was pretty straightforward about the kids the first time. 600 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,479 Speaker 1: He's coming back to it again. And what he's really 601 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,359 Speaker 1: saying here is these plants that are not solid. They 602 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 1: got all these offshoots going out, and really what he's 603 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:42,800 Speaker 1: saying is their offshoots are just as bad as the 604 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 1: original plant, and they're gonna be just like them. He's 605 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 1: really saying children are evil that come from an evil man. 606 00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 1: Now again, this feels great, So raise your hand. Even 607 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: though we still don't have any evidence that his children 608 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 1: were these evil people that Bill Dad is saying they are, 609 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 1: we don't really know. We do know that the daddy 610 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 1: was concerned about them and sacrificed and prayed for him. 611 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 1: We got all that. But I can speak to multiple 612 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:25,799 Speaker 1: mama's and daddies that are solid as a rock, and 613 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:30,360 Speaker 1: I know for a fact they raised their children to 614 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:36,800 Speaker 1: be solid as well. And the children rejected the instructions 615 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 1: of the parents and they turned out to be wicked. 616 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,280 Speaker 1: But I could honestly tell you it wasn't on the parents. 617 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,799 Speaker 1: If they had followed the instructions of their parents, and 618 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 1: I know that they were provided for. I know that 619 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,959 Speaker 1: they were loved, I know they were taught the word 620 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 1: of God. I know they were taken to the church. 621 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,360 Speaker 1: I know everything that a parent could. I know parents perfect. 622 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,320 Speaker 1: But what I'm talking about you don't see some major flaw. 623 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,360 Speaker 1: I mean, all of us can look at individual situations 624 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 1: and go now, I could have done that better because 625 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 1: we're flawed people. But I'm talking about like, these people 626 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,919 Speaker 1: are fake. Their kids are showing how fake they are. 627 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,279 Speaker 1: I've seen many indications where the children are really no 628 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 1: reflection of the parents at all. Sometimes they are, but 629 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,839 Speaker 1: there are times when children make their own decisions when 630 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,840 Speaker 1: they can, they reject everything they were taught. So even 631 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,960 Speaker 1: if the kids were messing up, and there's no indication 632 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,440 Speaker 1: they really were, but if they were, it's possible. We 633 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,359 Speaker 1: know for a fact they could have a daddy who 634 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,719 Speaker 1: was blameless and upright and a mama who at the 635 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,920 Speaker 1: time was right there with job, and the children are 636 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 1: still out like idiots. I've seen it. It happens, and so, 637 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,719 Speaker 1: but that's not what build dad thinks. They said. You know, 638 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,360 Speaker 1: I'm going back to the kids. Tell you one of 639 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,280 Speaker 1: the kids, of the way they were, and they were evil. 640 00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:01,280 Speaker 1: It is because you secretly or evil too. You're playing 641 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 1: a game here and God's calling you out. He's finally 642 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,399 Speaker 1: revealing who you really are. And I build Dad will 643 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,720 Speaker 1: make sure that you know this because I know something 644 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,960 Speaker 1: you don't know. But here's the deal. We need to 645 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 1: all take this lesson. There's nothing wrong with holding our 646 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 1: brothers accountable, nothing wrong with that. We need accountability. I've 647 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 1: messed it up before and I'm not gonna mess it 648 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,320 Speaker 1: up anymore, I hope, because I'm learning from my mistakes. 649 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 1: Don't come in there with guns of blazing until you've 650 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: had the opportunity to sit down with the person that 651 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,879 Speaker 1: you know and supposedly love and let's work it out 652 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,839 Speaker 1: and hear what they have to say first. And I've 653 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:41,799 Speaker 1: made that mistake, So that's not me talking at you. 654 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,840 Speaker 1: I'm talking with you, okay. And it's embarrassing when you 655 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,239 Speaker 1: come in with guns blazing only discovery you didn't have 656 00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 1: all the information. It's a terrible feeling. And I've done it. 657 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,960 Speaker 1: I've messed it up before. So this is not saying 658 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,319 Speaker 1: that we don't hold each other accountable. And sometimes we 659 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,239 Speaker 1: don't get up in each other's face and say, come 660 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:02,799 Speaker 1: on now, we need to have all the information. And 661 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 1: at some point, if your brother is looking at you saying, 662 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,040 Speaker 1: I'm telling you I don't know what's going on here. 663 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 1: I have not strayed, I've not done this, they've got 664 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 1: to come up point. You just got to trust it. 665 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,640 Speaker 1: And if you find out that they were lying, till 666 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 1: you find you can come back, but you can't come 667 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 1: in making accusations until you have all the facts. And 668 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,120 Speaker 1: I have been guilty of that, and build that is 669 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 1: absolutely guilty of that right now, because he is certain, 670 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,439 Speaker 1: because he has this theology right that his theology has 671 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,279 Speaker 1: no room for any new wrinkle, and we need to 672 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,240 Speaker 1: be real careful of that too. So seventeen his roots 673 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:44,480 Speaker 1: entwined the stone heap, and he looks upon a house 674 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:48,480 Speaker 1: of stones, the roots cling to the stones, hoping to 675 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:53,920 Speaker 1: find more sturdy, a more sturdy home or foundation. He's like, 676 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 1: you know, your foundation is shaky, And then these plants 677 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,840 Speaker 1: start trying to find something that is a little more 678 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,520 Speaker 1: are sturdy, and then comes to the demise of the 679 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 1: plant in eighteen. If he is destroyed from his place, 680 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,440 Speaker 1: then it will deny him saying I have never seen you. 681 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:16,360 Speaker 1: What does this sound like? This is like Matthew seven. Okay, 682 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 1: he's saying, Look, you may be claiming that your foundation 683 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 1: is built on God, and you may be cleaning for 684 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,319 Speaker 1: him right now. But you may be so wicked that 685 00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:29,080 Speaker 1: God's punishing you because you've made a false statement that 686 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,400 Speaker 1: you know God. And God may be telling you he 687 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:35,920 Speaker 1: don't know you at all. That's Matthew seven, right, Jesus's words. 688 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,439 Speaker 1: You know in the future. Now we know this isn't 689 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,719 Speaker 1: the case. But build Dad saying I I mean you 690 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,120 Speaker 1: just may be God may be revealing you as a 691 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,640 Speaker 1: fake that your foundation is built on him. He may 692 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,480 Speaker 1: not eat this intimate relationship you claim to have with God. 693 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,080 Speaker 1: This is looking like God is looking at you with 694 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,319 Speaker 1: all this misery you're in, saying I reject Joe. I 695 00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:02,920 Speaker 1: don't know Joe. Again, all this feels great. Nineteen Behold 696 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,480 Speaker 1: this is the joy of his way, and out of 697 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:11,759 Speaker 1: the soil others will spring. So the demise of the 698 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:16,319 Speaker 1: plant torn from its spot. Proverbs ten talks about this, 699 00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,640 Speaker 1: The name of the wicked will rot the place denies 700 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:25,399 Speaker 1: every knowing the plant. But in nineteen, the joy part 701 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 1: seems to be from Bill Dad right here, a little sarcastic. 702 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,720 Speaker 1: You may have enjoyed or sought some sort of pleasure 703 00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:37,080 Speaker 1: in this hidden sin, mister Job, but it will be 704 00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:41,960 Speaker 1: the end of you, and others will take your land 705 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,600 Speaker 1: and they'll take your place from you. How about this? 706 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:49,319 Speaker 1: The jig is up. Job, Your little show you put 707 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:56,120 Speaker 1: on has finally been revealed to be fake. You might 708 00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,480 Speaker 1: have enjoyed the way you were hiding this sin and 709 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:03,000 Speaker 1: living this life. I have brought you some pleasure, But 710 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:07,520 Speaker 1: the bell tolls and God's done with it. There is 711 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,880 Speaker 1: a lesson to learn there about sin. The only problem 712 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,120 Speaker 1: is we have no evidence that Job's in't any sin, 713 00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:13,799 Speaker 1: and by the time we get to them, we know 714 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,640 Speaker 1: he's not. So now he's going to go back to 715 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,920 Speaker 1: Job again and say, now that I've made my case 716 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:24,160 Speaker 1: that you need to repent, let's talk about the results 717 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:28,360 Speaker 1: of repentance. Twenty Now, this is all good, This is 718 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,839 Speaker 1: all true and good. It just does not apply here. 719 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:36,440 Speaker 1: Twenty Behold, God will not reject a blameless man, nor 720 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:40,960 Speaker 1: take the hand of evil doers. Now you claim to 721 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,840 Speaker 1: be blameless. I wonder why God won't take your hand. 722 00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:53,200 Speaker 1: The only hand God rejects his evil doers. Mister job. Remember, 723 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:59,440 Speaker 1: blameless is what God called job, and so build Dad saying, well, 724 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:05,319 Speaker 1: if you're blameless, God wouldn't abandon a blameless man. We 725 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,879 Speaker 1: know that's not exactly true, and we're abandoned. I mean, 726 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:12,480 Speaker 1: God can be silent. God can not intervene. He certainly 727 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,560 Speaker 1: doesn't abandon for eternity or redemption. But we do see 728 00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:20,920 Speaker 1: throughout scripture that God has people that he loves and 729 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,080 Speaker 1: people that are devout to him, that he does not 730 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:29,000 Speaker 1: intervene to stop the suffering. John the Baptist, I know 731 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,440 Speaker 1: that's new Covenant. But John the Baptist, well, Joseph, we 732 00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:37,160 Speaker 1: talked about him. God eventually restores Joseph. But boy, there 733 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,759 Speaker 1: were a lot of times Joseph said, hey, I need 734 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:41,920 Speaker 1: some help here, and God just let things keep happening, 735 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,399 Speaker 1: you know. And it was all a process. And then 736 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,120 Speaker 1: what does Joseph say at the end, Well, you, my brothers, 737 00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,600 Speaker 1: y'all meant this for evil, but God meant it for good. 738 00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,279 Speaker 1: So that these are things that are in the Old 739 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,840 Speaker 1: Testament about God. But you look to John the Baptist, 740 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,960 Speaker 1: I mean, Jesus says himself that no man born of 741 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,440 Speaker 1: a woman is greater than John. John did what he 742 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:09,600 Speaker 1: was called to do, and as we know John the 743 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:13,280 Speaker 1: Baptist had his head cut off, we know that Paul 744 00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,719 Speaker 1: says to Timothy that he has run the race fault 745 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,440 Speaker 1: to fight. He will receive the crown of righteousness, as 746 00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:25,239 Speaker 1: will all who have rejoiced at Jesus's arrival. But he 747 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,879 Speaker 1: is telling Timothy, if you don't get here before winter, 748 00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,160 Speaker 1: it has been revealed to me that I'm about to 749 00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:39,319 Speaker 1: be martyred, and he was. Jesus talks to Peter before 750 00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,359 Speaker 1: it ever even happens and says, I'm gonna be with you, 751 00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,600 Speaker 1: and you're gonna proclaim me, and you've got a job 752 00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:48,239 Speaker 1: to do, but you're gonna be martyred. I would love 753 00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:52,120 Speaker 1: to do a survey. Would you like for Jesus to 754 00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,799 Speaker 1: come into here? Come in here right now? That said yes, 755 00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,440 Speaker 1: But then all of a sudden he gave you the opportunity, 756 00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,040 Speaker 1: and he says, I'll tell you how much long you 757 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:04,759 Speaker 1: you got. I don't think so. I don't think I 758 00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:09,440 Speaker 1: want to know that. I can't imagine, you know. I mean, 759 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,520 Speaker 1: he didn't give Peter that details, but it seems in 760 00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,799 Speaker 1: second Peter that Peter says, it's been revealed to me 761 00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,120 Speaker 1: that I don't have much longer. So apparently he was 762 00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,439 Speaker 1: getting some idea. He knew he wasn't gonna be there, 763 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,480 Speaker 1: you know, you know, you know Paul, and then sometimes 764 00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,600 Speaker 1: something we're like, well, maybe maybe it'll be in our lifetime. 765 00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,399 Speaker 1: Peter knew it wasn't gonna be in his lifetime because 766 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,799 Speaker 1: Jesus told him it wasn't. So yeah, I kind of 767 00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:30,440 Speaker 1: like the deal I'm under right now. I don't know 768 00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,960 Speaker 1: what God has planned. I just trust him and I 769 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:38,279 Speaker 1: take the next step, you know. So yeah, I think 770 00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:42,600 Speaker 1: that's probably he knows what's best. I'm good. So anyway, 771 00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,960 Speaker 1: he's now taking on this blameless thing, and he says 772 00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,840 Speaker 1: God doesn't take the hand of evildoers. Now, keep in mind, 773 00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:56,359 Speaker 1: this really is flawed theology. Bill Dad's theology right now 774 00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,920 Speaker 1: is really kind of coming apart. He's partially right, but 775 00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,520 Speaker 1: on Earth, in this fallen creation, I just gave you 776 00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:11,239 Speaker 1: some examples. We actually see all the time, wonderful devouted 777 00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:16,240 Speaker 1: followers of Jesus die young, and we've seen evil people 778 00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:20,080 Speaker 1: get really old and just be as wicked as they 779 00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:25,440 Speaker 1: can be. So really, this point that he's making really 780 00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:30,200 Speaker 1: doesn't stand up. We've even seen evil people in this 781 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:34,799 Speaker 1: life get away with murder. Now. They don't get away 782 00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,040 Speaker 1: with it in eternity if they don't repent, but they 783 00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,919 Speaker 1: got away with it here, right, I mean, we've seen 784 00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:46,359 Speaker 1: that on this side of heaven. So twenty one, Bill 785 00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:51,200 Speaker 1: Dad says, he will yet fill your mouth with laughter 786 00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:57,120 Speaker 1: and your lips with shouting now here. Bill Dad's right. 787 00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:03,040 Speaker 1: If there was need repentance, he says, repent and God 788 00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:07,759 Speaker 1: will restore your happiness. He'll restore your joy. And you 789 00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,879 Speaker 1: know what, Bill Dad's right. The only problem is Job 790 00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:16,080 Speaker 1: doesn't know what to repent of. He's not really well, yeah, 791 00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:20,440 Speaker 1: but I don't what would that be? So Bill Dad's 792 00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:25,319 Speaker 1: talking truth about God's grace here, But the problem is 793 00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,799 Speaker 1: that Job doesn't know what he's supposed to repent of. 794 00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:34,840 Speaker 1: Twenty two, those who hate you will be clothed with shame, 795 00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,839 Speaker 1: and the tint of the wicked will be no more. 796 00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:45,920 Speaker 1: Bill Dad rightfully says, when God restores you, those who 797 00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:50,680 Speaker 1: are celebrating your downfall will be shamed, and the tent 798 00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:55,960 Speaker 1: of the wicked that's over you right now will be 799 00:47:56,040 --> 00:48:02,839 Speaker 1: no more. Well, I'm going to tell you something right now, 800 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,359 Speaker 1: and this is what we'll close with this week, in 801 00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:12,279 Speaker 1: the moment we're in right now in this historic Roman. 802 00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:17,760 Speaker 1: Bill Dad is wrong and so is Job. They're both wrong. 803 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:23,000 Speaker 1: And here's why. Here's what Job thinks right now, based 804 00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,640 Speaker 1: on what we've all heard him say, I am going 805 00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:31,160 Speaker 1: to perish without vindication, and just like the wicked, even 806 00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:35,360 Speaker 1: though I'm blameless, I am not going to be vindicated. 807 00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:39,239 Speaker 1: I Am going to die like wicked people. And he's wrong. 808 00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,360 Speaker 1: That's not what's going to happen. Bill Dad is wrong 809 00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:47,440 Speaker 1: because he thinks Job would perish because he was among 810 00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:51,880 Speaker 1: the wicked. Job says, I'm going to die just like 811 00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,080 Speaker 1: the wicked when I'm not. Bill Dad says, You're going 812 00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,200 Speaker 1: to die because you are a wicked and they're both wrong. 813 00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:03,879 Speaker 1: So so think about that, because don't get so caught 814 00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:07,080 Speaker 1: up right that just build Dad's wrong. That's easy. Now 815 00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,120 Speaker 1: we do need to look and say, here's some things 816 00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:10,520 Speaker 1: we don't need to do if we're ever in this 817 00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:14,279 Speaker 1: situation as the friend. But we need to also now 818 00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:19,239 Speaker 1: back over to Job again. We also, unlike Job, we 819 00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:23,960 Speaker 1: know the whole deal now, so what we don't we 820 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,319 Speaker 1: can never get to the point when we're even in 821 00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:30,399 Speaker 1: suffering that we don't fully understand in the moment. What 822 00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,759 Speaker 1: we cannot do is ever get into the poor, poor, 823 00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:37,279 Speaker 1: pitiful me. I guess God is not doing anything. This 824 00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:41,040 Speaker 1: is all chaos, This means nothing, and I'm just gonna 825 00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,880 Speaker 1: die like I was some sinner being punished like God 826 00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:48,600 Speaker 1: by God. We can't have that attitude either, because Job's 827 00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:53,920 Speaker 1: attitude about that's wrong. So we make sure that whether 828 00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,840 Speaker 1: we're Bill Dad or we're Job, that we do not 829 00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:01,400 Speaker 1: behave the way they're both behaving right now. Okay, Now, 830 00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:05,200 Speaker 1: Job's been an example on how to behave earlier and 831 00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,960 Speaker 1: he's gonna we're gonna see him learn a lot going forward. 832 00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,680 Speaker 1: But right now he's kind of given up and thinking 833 00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:15,760 Speaker 1: God's abandoned me. Okay, and Bill Dad saying We's abandoned 834 00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:20,759 Speaker 1: you because you're wicked, and Job maybe even with theology, 835 00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,360 Speaker 1: that's even more dangerous. No, I know that I'm innocent 836 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:29,560 Speaker 1: and God's abandoned me anyway, So that's dangerous too, because 837 00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:33,479 Speaker 1: that's never the case. You know, we we it's that's why, 838 00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,040 Speaker 1: and it's been part of the ministry. I think God 839 00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:42,120 Speaker 1: has given Sherry in me my wife is because I 840 00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:46,480 Speaker 1: think it's so crucial that we, as followers of Christ 841 00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:50,960 Speaker 1: and the Redeemed, we understand what suffering is and it 842 00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,200 Speaker 1: isn't because it is an incredible tool to be used 843 00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:58,719 Speaker 1: by Satan and and he will play games with it, 844 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,799 Speaker 1: and many times he'll take the very things that we 845 00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:06,960 Speaker 1: believe about God and use those against you. And right now, 846 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,600 Speaker 1: that's where job is. I thought if I was blameless 847 00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:14,239 Speaker 1: and upright, I wouldn't be in this situation. But yet 848 00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,400 Speaker 1: I know I'm blameless and upright, and I'm still in 849 00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:20,920 Speaker 1: this situation. So what Lucifer is hoping is, let me 850 00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,280 Speaker 1: see if I can't get you to kind of doubt 851 00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,440 Speaker 1: the character of God and kind of gets you to 852 00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,960 Speaker 1: question God a little bit, because if I can get 853 00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,120 Speaker 1: you on that road, I might be able to get 854 00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,960 Speaker 1: you to reject And you're saying, well, why does that 855 00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:34,600 Speaker 1: apply to us, I'll tell you that applies to us. 856 00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:38,200 Speaker 1: We believe in a sovereign God because that's what Scripture 857 00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:43,319 Speaker 1: says about God. And don't think the demons won't walk 858 00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,759 Speaker 1: up to you in your time of misery and say, well, oh, 859 00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:52,080 Speaker 1: sovereign God has decided to abandon you. Here do you 860 00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:55,279 Speaker 1: believe that God's in control? Yes, I do well, and 861 00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:57,839 Speaker 1: I guess he is in control and he's doing this 862 00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,640 Speaker 1: to you. How do you like that? How you like 863 00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:04,399 Speaker 1: his control right now? So he could have stopped this, Yes, 864 00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:08,560 Speaker 1: he could have, he didn't. Well, that's for my own good. 865 00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:13,640 Speaker 1: I'm being disciplined. I'm gonna be refined. Okay. Whatever looks 866 00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:17,120 Speaker 1: to me like he abandoned you, looks like he's actually 867 00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:22,719 Speaker 1: even brought this on you. He's caused this. And then 868 00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,080 Speaker 1: you say caused it? What do you mean? Now? It's 869 00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:30,319 Speaker 1: because I live in a falling creation? Could he stop it? Yeah? Yeah, 870 00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:34,720 Speaker 1: he could have, he didn't. And if you're not ready 871 00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,440 Speaker 1: to say, well, then I don't want to miss anything 872 00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:41,200 Speaker 1: he's teaching me. Then I guess that He has found 873 00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:45,960 Speaker 1: me worthy to glorify him and suffering. Don't go looking 874 00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:51,640 Speaker 1: for it because it's not pleasurable, But if God allows it, 875 00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:55,040 Speaker 1: you gotta know why. Now. You may not know every 876 00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,440 Speaker 1: intricate detail that may come later, but you got at 877 00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:03,360 Speaker 1: least know the concept that God allows even the righteous 878 00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:08,320 Speaker 1: to suffer for all kinds of reasons, to glorify him, 879 00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:14,680 Speaker 1: to refine you, to break your connection to sin, to 880 00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:20,000 Speaker 1: make you holy, to make you humble, to break you 881 00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:27,000 Speaker 1: where you're totally dependent on Him, and my weakness, I'm strong, right. 882 00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:29,880 Speaker 1: So there's and these and all of these I just 883 00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,400 Speaker 1: mentioned are straight out of the Bible. And and so 884 00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,880 Speaker 1: you got to hold onto that that concept and you 885 00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,240 Speaker 1: got to know it. You can't be confused about suffering 886 00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:45,080 Speaker 1: because God has never been silent on it. So let's pray, Lord, 887 00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:50,120 Speaker 1: thank you for today, thank you for this, uh, this lesson. 888 00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:52,960 Speaker 1: So much to take away today, As as has been 889 00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,000 Speaker 1: the case through all of our studies. Lord, we love you. 890 00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,799 Speaker 1: You are just to I mean, our minds can't even came, 891 00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,720 Speaker 1: came and comprehend you, but we trust you through faith. 892 00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,400 Speaker 1: And though we may not be able to grasp with 893 00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:12,160 Speaker 1: these finite minds all that you are. May we take 894 00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:16,640 Speaker 1: every single morsel that you have allowed us to know. 895 00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,279 Speaker 1: Let us just consume them all. Lord, thank you for 896 00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,400 Speaker 1: being close to us. Thank you for allowing us to 897 00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:29,360 Speaker 1: know you and your holy name. We pray Amen. Thank you,