WEBVTT - Patriots Catch-22 10/12: 4 things to fix the offense, 3 up/down vs. Saints, Raiders Preview 0:00:03.520 --> 0:00:06.880 This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:12.000 Lazar and Alex Bar and Lazarre. Hello, everybody nailed it? 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:15.400 Joined as always buy our bart. 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:20.919 Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bar throw the ball 0:00:20.960 --> 0:00:22.960 against the Saints on third and short. Yes, I can't 0:00:22.960 --> 0:00:24.759 tell if you're making fun of me. Your extual's trying 0:00:24.760 --> 0:00:26.160 to follow. I have it on a table here. Do 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:26.640 you want to see it? 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:26.799 No? 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:30.920 I just want to keep going. When when is when 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:31.720 we need a whiteboard? 0:00:31.920 --> 0:00:32.080 Right? 0:00:32.320 --> 0:00:34.680 When teams throw the ball against the Saints on third 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:37.400 and short, yes, they are converting a first down thirty 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:39.440 three percent of the time, it's not good. When they 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:41.280 run the ball against the Saints on third and short 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:43.000 sixty two. 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:48.720 Of the time is good. It's funny because like I 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:51.600 not that you don't you know. I'm not trying to 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:54.000 say like you don't know any stats, but like usually 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:56.240 it's me that's like, you know, bringing the spreadsheet to 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:59.480 the podcast. Well, that's a very tangible stat. Yeah, that's true. 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:02.160 We talked about this earlier. I got I got it 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:04.559 as people could imagine. We got a bunch of stuff 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:06.679 on our mind. But we were talking earlier about the 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:10.039 Herald story that came today Alex with Andrew Callahan and 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:14.240 Doug Kyde. You know a lot of information there, some 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:16.360 of it that I think we could have probably gleaned 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:21.200 on our own, right, Like the Patriots have receivers that 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:23.959 don't get open, and an offensive line that doesn't block 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:26.840 anybody in a quarterback that's broken, Like I think we 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:29.040 all like we all knew that, right. But one of 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:30.800 the pieces of information we don't have to get into it, 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:33.319 but I knew it would would grind your gears was 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:38.640 they mentioned that the Patriots are are not at the forefront. 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:39.959 I don't know what the way to phrase this, And 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:43.000 they said they didn't use analytics. So okay, they said 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:44.480 they didn't use analytics. 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:48.080 First off, by the way that rant I had last week, Yeah, 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:50.520 five third and shorts last week for the Patriots. They 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:52.520 threw it four times and they ran that for cocta 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:55.720 fake tush push on the other one. So so much 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:57.960 for the numbers there on that. 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:02.640 That could have been a touchdown if Andre gets the ball. Yeah, well, 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:04.720 you know a lot of things could have been. I'm 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:07.240 just saying like in terms of like it was, they. 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:10.040 Definitely set it up well, they only ran like thirty 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:12.160 Tousch pushes to set it up, which is start the 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:13.960 season push. 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:15.720 But I here's the thing. 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:17.359 I don't think the and by the way they ran 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:19.200 it when they were down thirty four nothing so great 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:22.400 time to break that out. I don't think the NFL 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:24.520 likes the term toush push, So that's why I'm so 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:29.160 committed to continue using it. Okay on the Herald story, 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:31.600 so you know where I'm at with Like when I 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:36.520 say analytics, the math, I'm talking about win probability models, 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:41.040 win probability EPA, CPO, anything that has expected in it 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:46.240 or theoretical or hypothetical they brought up in that article 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:51.000 like next gen stats, which is player right player, a 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:53.320 guy running twenty miles an hour, He's running twenty miles 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:55.919 an hour. It's very tangrble. I have no problem with 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:58.880 that stuff should be used. That stuff's great. It's when 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:02.040 you get into the hypothetical, theoretical expected that you just 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:05.040 totally lose me and I think it's nonsense. But the 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:07.600 next gen stat stuff they absolutely should be using. Every 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:09.320 team should be using it. Yeah, I'm not saying it 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:11.720 should be the be all, end all, but it's I mean. 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:13.880 It's informations a tool. It's a tool. It's a tool 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:15.720 away putting it. So that wasn't at the top of 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:17.040 my mind. I have a couple of things that are 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:18.920 at the top of my mind. I didn't really know. 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:21.520 Like usually I we you know, I try to set 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:23.919 the table, have something like an opening take yeah back 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:25.280 when you thought the show was going to start having 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:27.720 ordered No, no, no, no, it does, it does. I 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:30.480 doesn't have to. It's really okay. No, it has order. 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:33.639 It has order. My OCD makes it. 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:33.800 So. 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:36.800 Uh, here's the thing. I I don't know where to 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:40.480 go with this because if you and I'm telling saying 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:43.120 you as in you, the people, you, the listeners. If 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:45.320 you guys want to call into the show today and 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:48.280 ask us big picture questions, who's the next head coach, 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:52.360 who's the next GM, who's the next quarterback? I understand. 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:55.440 I'm fine with that. We'll answer those questions. We'll talk 0:03:55.440 --> 0:04:00.200 about those things. If you want to listen to how 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:03.600 do they fix this this season, I'm cool with that too. 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:05.760 We can talk about that. Also, how do they be 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:08.200 you know, more competitive this year? If you want them 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:10.720 to take for the number one overall pick. Fine, If 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:13.080 you want them to try to piece this thing together 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:15.520 to be better on the field this season and this 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:18.440 week against the Raiders. Also, fine, we're gonna give you both. 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:21.560 We're gonna give you both. But here's here's my my 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:25.320 big opening thing. And this is recent now, and uh, 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:27.800 this kind of puts a little bit more directions in 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:30.000 my mind because you know, those two things are so 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:33.160 polar opposite. Like, let's talk about next year and in 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:35.640 the future, let's talk about this week against the Raiders. 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:37.880 It couldn't be more on either side of the of 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:42.640 the thing. Jerry Judy. Jerry Judy is apparently, according to 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:45.520 I think multiple reports, safe to say at this point, 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:50.719 available and likely to be moved before the NFL trade deadline. Yeah, 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:56.120 so on some levels, I've gotten this this pushback on 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:59.200 on on the X machine already. Why would you give 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:02.040 up draft capital to help this team? Why would you 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:05.560 let Bill Belichick make any more trades? Why would you 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:08.320 make a trade that would make this team better and 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:11.839 maybe put you in a spot where instead of the 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:15.599 second overall picking the draft, you're picking fifteenth again, And like, 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:21.160 what's the point in that, right? And my whole thing 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:27.080 with all of that is that Jerry Judy is somebody 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:30.560 that we've both been clamoring for because of his skill set. 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:35.520 He's a good player, good player, good route runner, gets 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:38.240 open against man coverage, which this team can't do and 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:40.120 is a dead last in the league right now in 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:42.760 production against man coverage. This is one of the best 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:44.520 man coverage beaters in the league. 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:48.960 Jerry Judy, he is his route running Is that we 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:51.919 talk about a carrying trade, right, Yeah, what makes his 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:55.320 ability to separate on a route on his own is 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:59.119 his carrying trade. He is top fifteen in the league 0:05:59.200 --> 0:05:59.839 in that regard. 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:03.160 A technician, Yeah, he's a route running technician. He's got 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:06.160 that PhD and route running and he's pretty good with 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:08.960 the ball in his hands too after the catch. So 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:15.960 my whole thing with Jerry Judy is in all likelihood 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:19.360 acquiring Jerry Judy. Well, let me first say this. You're 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:21.440 not trading your first round pick for Jerry Judy. You're 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:23.280 not trading for first round pick for anybody else. You're 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:25.680 not trading No one's trading a first round pick for 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:30.200 Jerry Judy. You don't no, like the Chiefs. No, I 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:31.800 could see the Chiefs doing it. I don't they if 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:33.400 they if they had a first round pick on the 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:35.520 table for Jerry Judy, he wouldn't be a Bronco anymore. 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:38.240 I'm saying, you get a few weeks, all right, yeah, 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:40.760 fair enough. No one's trading a first round pick for 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:43.600 Jerry Judy, so you're talking at most a second round pick, 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:47.360 a Day two pick. So that with that out of 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:51.640 the way, if you're the idea of to me of 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:56.159 trading for Jerry Judy is a long term play, it's 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:59.880 long term. He's twenty four years old. He's twenty four, 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:03.680 so you give him a contract extension, you trade a 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:06.040 mid round pick for him, third round pick, second round pick, 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:10.400 whatever it takes. And whether it's Mac Jones throwing him 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:13.640 the football in twenty twenty four or it's Michael Pennocks 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:16.880 throwing him the football in twenty twenty four, what difference 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:21.160 does it make? What difference does it make? Either way? 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:25.240 Jerry Judy is making the quarterback and the offense better, period, 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:29.000 full stop. He's making them better. That's all that matters. 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:32.960 Whether it's Drake May, Michael Pennix, Mac Jones, Kyler Murray, 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:35.800 whoever's throwing him the ball next year, it makes the 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:42.240 team better. I would also mention that this drives me 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:48.880 up a wall. People's attachment to non first round picks 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:54.840 drives me up a wall, Alex, because it's we do 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:56.440 this all this time on the show, because it's a 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:59.760 good bit. Yeah, it's the family Guy Mystery box. Yep. 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:03.280 You can have Jerry Judy or you could draft a 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:04.840 receiver in the third round and he might be as 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:08.680 good as Jerry Judy. Right, So, I like, what is 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:12.360 the infatuation with the draft picks. I'm not saying that 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:15.160 the Rams do it right and the Rams say f 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:17.720 the picks and they know there's a happy medium. There's 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:20.960 a happy medium, and no one's sitting here today saying 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:23.280 at the page. I would actually say that they shouldn't 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:25.680 be trading their first or second round pick for Jerry 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:28.280 j So that's I wouldn't trade the second. Now maybe 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:29.000 if it's. 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:34.640 Jerry Judy and a third for like a second, Yeah 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:36.720 you know you're getting You're not. 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:40.120 They should not lose any top one hundred picks. I 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:42.480 would trade a third for Jerry Judy. Might trade a third. 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:43.880 But so here's the thing. 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:45.439 If we're going to really blow this up and talk 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:48.920 about this down the road, like that, Yeah, the Patriots 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:50.439 are not getting the first overall pick. That's just not 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:51.880 gonna happen. I know a lot of people think it is. 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:52.240 It's not. 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:54.679 The Bears hold the trump card right now because they 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:57.200 have their picky and the Panthers pick. So a lot 0:08:57.240 --> 0:08:58.800 of people are like, oh, they need a tank so 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:03.760 they can get Caleb or whatever. It's not all about 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:09.199 like tanking in the NFL. You don't need the second 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:11.240 overall pick to get the second best player in the draft. 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:13.199 And what I mean by that, or you don't need 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:16.320 the second worst record, sorry, to get the second best 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:19.800 player in the draft. It's as much about how you 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:21.400 position yourself. 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:22.760 To move up the board. 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:28.200 Yeah, and that's why I like, I'm not as hesitant 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:29.920 to part ways with the third round pick as like, oh, 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:31.760 it's a third round pick, you're turning into a great player. 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:34.640 But like, are you gonna if if they want to 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:36.880 move into the top five take a quarterback and they're 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:39.920 sitting there at like seven, is that the pick you're 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:41.439 gonna need and now you don't have it? 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:44.760 But that also goes to another point. You can trade 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:45.640 from future years. 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:48.160 You can trade from future years. But I would add 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:50.720 as well so one, I would try to trade future 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:53.680 your picks for Jerry Tuty. The other thing is this 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:56.080 is where you talk about what are they gonna do 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:57.719 with some of the guys on the team. 0:09:57.760 --> 0:10:01.760 Now that aren't expiring contracts. Yeah, and if you. 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:05.760 Somebody did this a couple of years ago, like they 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:07.600 traded for a guy that was on a long term deal, 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:10.040 like I mean long term but with Judy multi year deal, 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:13.600 and then they traded away another player on expiring contract 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:15.800 and got like the equivalent of that pick back. So 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:18.480 they essentially it wasn't that they didn't get a better 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:20.160 player at a certain stances were a little different, but 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:22.520 like they extended the window. So if you were to 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:26.800 trade like a third for Jerry Judy and then trade 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:30.560 like one of the expiring players Hunter Henry Kendrick born 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:33.360 Josh Uche and maybe like a fifth for a third, 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:35.880 well now you you still have the same number of 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:37.760 third round picks you always had, Like that would be 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:39.920 can I yeah, I hear you, Yeah, I just I 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:42.960 the real value in those picks to me, and this 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:45.440 is a unique situation is to trade up if they 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:47.880 need a quarterback. Because you're not talking about trading up 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:49.480 like like we usually do with them from like twenty 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:52.080 to fifteen. We're talking about going from like seven to 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:55.079 two or three, and that's where you do want to 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:57.199 be able to position yourself a certain way, all right, So. 0:10:57.160 --> 0:11:01.200 We're both I think in lockstep that we would offer 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:03.600 a third round pick for Jerry Judy, and that's the most. 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:06.440 That's the highest we'd go. I might do like a 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:08.679 second for Jerry Judy in a third okay something. I 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:10.840 don't know if the Broncos would do that. Okay, fair enough, 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:14.200 So let's just let's just, you know, call it a 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:17.360 third round pick. Sure, here's the Patriots last five third 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:19.440 round picks. Oh you came ready? Are you ready for this? 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:21.160 I just pulled this up. Wait can I hang on? 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:21.480 Hang on? 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:27.960 Marte Maphu, yeah, uh, Marcus Jones yep. All right, So 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:30.160 then I gotta go back to mac Jones draft class. 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:31.720 That would be Ronnie Perkins yep. 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:37.600 Uh. Twenty twenty. They had two that year, right three? 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:38.839 Uh? 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:42.520 Uch, noj was second, Anthony Jennings yep. Oh, and the 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:45.480 two tight ends yep. And keenan Assi OSSI. 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:48.960 And now we're am I eighteen nineteen nineteen, yeah, nineteen. 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:50.400 So that's Nikhil Harry draft. 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:52.360 That would was chase one of its third I think 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:54.200 it's chased one of its right, third round, right when 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:55.480 Damien Harris was the fourth round. 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:58.320 No third round. Oh, they're both third round picks and 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:05.240 Yadney could just okay. So to summarize, Marty Mapuh, Marcus Jones, 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:11.840 Ronnie Perkins, Anthony Jennings, Devin Asiassi, Dalton Keene, Chase Winovich, 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:17.800 Damien Harris, Yadney, kajuiced woof, And you guys are worried 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:22.679 about giving up a third round pick for that collection. 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:25.000 Am I allowed to be worried about it in losing 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:26.480 an asset to move up in the first round? 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:30.440 No, you're not. Why. I'll tell you why two reasons. One, 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:34.040 there's a million different ways to split that at him, right, 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:36.680 Like you can trade from future years. You can trade 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:38.920 two fourths instead of a third, Like, there's a million 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:43.679 different ways to cut up that pie. Two, who's the 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:46.319 GM of the team, Because if it's the same guy 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:48.360 that's sitting in the chair right now, you and I 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:50.480 both know well and good that he ain't trading up 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:52.600 in the first round. Well, he's not taking a quarterback either, 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:54.480 But he's not trading up. 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:58.160 Yeah, so no, he's gonna hold onto the third because 0:12:58.160 --> 0:12:59.360 that's where they're going to take the quarterback. 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:01.920 That's what they're going Like. The bottom line is is 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:07.040 that Jerry Judy makes your team better now, he makes 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:11.040 your he makes your team better in the future, and 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:16.280 stop obsessing over the draft picks. Stop. Okay, moving on 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:18.120 from that, and you can. 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:21.840 Call it one caveat and all that now yes, no, yes, 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:25.080 no caveat. Yes, no, you have to have to have 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:28.240 to sign him long term. I know you can't let 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:30.960 him walk after twenty twenty four, but that's that defeats 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:31.640 the entire purpose. 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:34.080 Yes, but that that's where I would I would like 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:37.600 to think that Macro, assuming that Macro is still going 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:40.120 to be here in twenty twenty four, maybe he can 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:44.120 sit there and say to Bill, like, come on money. 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:46.400 If they make that trade and then let him walk, 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:50.000 that's a total mis mismanagement of assets. 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:53.319 I don't disagree. Okay, Okay, let me put that. Let's 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:58.000 let's that's the Jerry Judy take from me and from Alex. 0:13:58.160 --> 0:13:59.959 If you want to call in and disagree, you want 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:02.920 email in and disagree or agree, we can still talk 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:04.480 about Jerry Judy for the rest of the show. But 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:08.640 I have I have four things, Alex, four things that 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:12.880 I would do to fix the offense right now, and 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:16.800 it doesn't include Jerry Judy. Right, We're not talking about external, 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:19.480 internal moves. So I'm gonna read them off one by 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:22.560 one and then you can tell me your opinion. Right, 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:27.880 Number one starts up front, right, offensive line, start up front. 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:30.800 Offensive line has to get better. So when the head 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:35.040 coach goes on Sunday and Monday and Wednesday, kind of 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:37.560 his whole mantra and the mantra around the team right 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:40.240 now in the building is start all over, right, start 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:45.480 all over? Like just forget about the last serio, no idea, 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:50.800 who that is? I knew what you were doing. I 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:54.440 still let it get to me. Start all over right, 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:57.600 So in the interest is starting off like, what does 0:14:57.640 --> 0:14:59.440 that mean to you? Start all over? I got this 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:01.480 question a lot, like what's that mean to you? Start 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:04.920 all over? To me, what that means is, let's go 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:09.680 back to the spring and training camp day one. What 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:12.880 was our team, what was our installation? What were the 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:16.320 plays that we were running? And that's what we're gonna do, right, 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:20.760 And in that Vein. When it comes to the offensive line, 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:25.520 starting all over to me is going back to march. 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:29.880 What you thought you had along the offensive line. These 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:33.880 were our penciled in five starters along the offensive line. 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:36.760 So therefore, I think, and I would even go as 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:40.960 far to say that it's ridiculous if this isn't the case. 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:47.800 From left to right, Trent Brown assuming healthy, Cole Strange, 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:51.080 David Andrews, Mike on Winne. Who I think is gonna play? 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:52.880 Riley Reef is. 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:55.480 Going. 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:56.000 I don't know. 0:15:56.080 --> 0:15:58.600 He's been limited's let me played last week kind of 0:15:58.600 --> 0:15:59.920 standing off to the side during stretching. 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:00.760 You'll be all right. 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:02.600 He played a little. I think he's healthy enough to play. 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:04.280 I don't think he's healthy enough to play a hundred percent. 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:05.680 I think you have to rotate him. 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:08.200 Okay, I don't want to get too caught up again. 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:11.360 Why not I would. I would still put Riley Reef 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:13.800 at guard Mike and win it tackle. But sure, it's 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:16.040 not gonna happen it. See that. That's why I didn't 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:18.400 like go that way, because it's not the right. It's 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:19.800 not gonna happen. But I still feel like we have 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:24.080 to say it, all right. I think that if you're 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:27.040 if you're truly starting all over. But and that's starting 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:27.400 all over. 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:30.200 We talk about the best five that you know, maybe 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:33.400 something changes it left guard, but more or less, that's 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:33.880 your best five. 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:37.760 Yes, that's your best five. And I think one of 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:42.400 the few bright spots from that debacle against the Saints 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:45.320 was that I thought Riley Reef played okay. I thought 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:49.320 Riley Reef looked solid. I thought even looked like that's 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:52.560 the word like twitchy almost, you know, like he was 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:55.400 moving well, and he was sudden with his movements and 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:58.400 he was able to redirect and stay in front of guys. 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:01.000 Had a really really good one on one rep against 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:06.520 Brian Breeze, who's the Saints' first round pick, Breezy whatever, 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:11.240 first round pick, and uh, you know, Breezy tried to 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:14.639 spin move him, shut it down. I thought he was 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:18.400 really good in that game against New Orleans. And he's 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:20.119 got to be in your starting lineup. If if they 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:22.119 don't think he can play tackle anymore, because the the 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:24.119 stuff we saw in the summer, the foot speed, that 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:26.800 kind of thing, then maybe he's left guard right, but 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:29.280 he's gotta he's got to play. He's got to be 0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:32.000 in the starting five. That's where I would if you're 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:34.800 gonna start all over, like that's starting all over to me, 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:39.639 starting all over and and and rolling with like the 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:42.240 young guys like Antonio Maffi and City. So how's that's 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:45.200 that's not starting all over? That's that's not. 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:47.040 I did think it was interesting to go back to 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:51.879 that Harald piece. They it doesn't say from a source, 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:55.280 but it sounds in form like it's almost like they're 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:57.160 sitting there reporting it with that really reporting that Cole 0:17:57.200 --> 0:18:00.520 Strange is facing a challenge for his job from Mafi. 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:05.119 So I, Mafi's so tough, and we're gonna get to 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:07.080 like three up, three down here in a little bit. 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:11.240 Mafi's tough because he was he was Okay, it's currently 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:13.119 in a battle for his starting cold. Strange currently in 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:15.200 a battle for a starting drob with fifth round rookie 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:16.240 Antonio Maffy. 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:18.840 I mean that's fair, but Mafi was He was good 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:21.960 against Dallas, or I shouldn't say good. He held his 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:24.480 He treaded water against Dallas, right like I thought that 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:28.080 he wasn't bad the film, Yeah, the film was some progress. 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:32.440 He was terrible against New Orleans. He just he doesn't have. 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:35.520 I did the feel and the instincts. Yet I think 0:18:35.560 --> 0:18:37.560 because of the lack of playing time at the position 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:41.160 going back to college, which Belichick talked about last week 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:44.240 in his press conference when he was giving him credit 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:49.280 for learning. But line movement stuns, twists, blitzes, things like that, 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:50.880 like he doesn't know how to pick him up yet, 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:54.240 he just doesn't. He doesn't know. So I still think 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:56.400 he's not ready. All right. So that's number one, though, 0:18:56.640 --> 0:18:59.240 Start all over on the offensive line. Put the five 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:01.280 guys out there that not only I think are the 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:03.280 best five that you have on paper, but is the 0:19:03.320 --> 0:19:05.840 original penciled in. This is what we were going to 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:08.600 go into the season with offensive line before all the 0:19:08.600 --> 0:19:12.680 injuries and all the other stuff happened. All right, Number two, 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:17.200 and I think that this is really important moving forward. 0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:20.560 Let the kids play at wide receiver. I play them 0:19:20.560 --> 0:19:23.159 all and when, and I include Taekwon with the kids, 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:26.480 right Taekwon. I know, Pop Douglas probably not going to 0:19:26.520 --> 0:19:28.159 play in this game on Sunday, but this is just 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:33.880 in general, Taekwon Douglas. Booty should be active. Booty should 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:37.159 be active. He should play over Juju. If you're not 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:39.880 playing Booty over Juju. It's because you pay Juju. That's 0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:42.480 the only reason. It's the only reason. The only guy 0:19:42.600 --> 0:19:45.720 out of this receiver room that deserves to keep playing 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:50.240 is Kendrick Port. Everybody else should be riding the pine 0:19:50.280 --> 0:19:53.440 for the younger guys, the more explosive options, and also 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:56.320 obviously the guys that are going to develop hopefully or 0:19:56.359 --> 0:19:56.720 maybe not. 0:19:57.080 --> 0:20:01.040 We'll see you includingly cunning him. No, Okay, yeah, I 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:04.040 think that expands beyond the receivers. I understand, you know, 0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:05.639 maybe with the line it's a little tricky, but I 0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:07.720 would give Mafia a chance to win that job against 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:08.400 Cole Strange. 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:11.399 But I'm not doing it with they're off, because this 0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:15.680 is an interest of fixing it, Okay. And I think 0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:17.879 the reason why I say play the kids, and I 0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:19.639 know I brought out the developmental thing. Maybe you just 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:21.639 think they're better. I think they're better. Okay. 0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:27.000 I would say play the kid like uh Marte Mop 0:20:27.040 --> 0:20:29.399 who's only played like twenty percent of snaps this year. Yeah, 0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:30.960 and some of that is because he's a passing down 0:20:30.960 --> 0:20:32.720 player and they keep following these big holes and teams 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:35.680 are running the ball, But like, play him, play Keon White, 0:20:35.880 --> 0:20:38.920 another guy that should play. I'm off for playing the kids, 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:41.560 but yeah, a wide receiver, they might help you. 0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:44.400 Right now, DeVante Parker and Juju Smith Schuster have given 0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:46.200 you zilch, nothing, nada. 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:49.760 I mean, there was that one ball against the Saints, 0:20:49.960 --> 0:20:52.800 I mean, and Parker did a good job of getting 0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:54.760 himself in position to catch it, and he just didn't 0:20:54.760 --> 0:20:57.440 close his hands. It just went right through his hands 0:20:57.440 --> 0:20:59.840 and he didn't make it and he didn't like make 0:20:59.840 --> 0:21:01.560 it any effort to go up and get it or sorry, 0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:02.560 made the effort to go up and get it, but 0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:04.480 he didn't make any effort to actually make the catch 0:21:04.480 --> 0:21:05.679 once he got up there, and it was like, what 0:21:05.720 --> 0:21:06.360 are we doing here? 0:21:06.400 --> 0:21:08.680 He's one on one all the time and he doesn't win, 0:21:09.240 --> 0:21:11.639 right because teams are begging Mac Jones to throw the 0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:14.680 ball outside the numbers. Yeah, and he's so it. Parker's 0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:17.159 one on one all the time, he doesn't win. Juju. 0:21:17.240 --> 0:21:18.760 We know we don't have to like beat a dead 0:21:18.800 --> 0:21:22.240 horse like Juju has been terrible for them all right, 0:21:22.280 --> 0:21:26.760 So play the youngins born Born Thornton for this week 0:21:26.800 --> 0:21:30.240 Boorn Thornton Booty who's lining up where I would play 0:21:30.240 --> 0:21:33.480 Born at the Z yeah, I'd play Booty as a 0:21:33.520 --> 0:21:35.800 third receiver, and I'd played Taekwon at the X. 0:21:36.000 --> 0:21:41.479 Okay, yeah, probably i'd play Taekwon at the X. In twelve, 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:45.560 I would almost play when you go to eleven, I'd 0:21:45.600 --> 0:21:47.159 kind of put Taekwon in the slot just to get 0:21:47.200 --> 0:21:49.600 him some free releases. Yes, and maybe it's Born at 0:21:49.640 --> 0:21:51.159 the X. Maybe it's Booty. They can kind of just 0:21:51.200 --> 0:21:53.919 go back and forth between. Yeah, I'm not like two 0:21:53.960 --> 0:21:55.960 caught up and like where exactly they'll play. I think 0:21:55.960 --> 0:21:59.320 Bill O'Brien will figure that piece of it out, but I'm. 0:21:59.200 --> 0:22:02.159 Just I'm just curious. Yeah, because I'm thinking about it 0:22:02.160 --> 0:22:04.320 for this week, Like Taekwon's not the savior, right, Like 0:22:04.359 --> 0:22:08.560 we know that Taekwon's not the savior, but for starters, 0:22:08.600 --> 0:22:11.800 Parker's given his zilch. Parker has given you nothing, And 0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:13.720 I think that there's something to be said for the 0:22:13.760 --> 0:22:17.240 fact that Taekwon can at least run through a defense 0:22:17.320 --> 0:22:18.960 like it might happen, like he might just run. 0:22:19.119 --> 0:22:21.600 I think you're looking for can he be a contributor. 0:22:21.800 --> 0:22:25.640 Maybe he's not a coverage dictator, but if he can 0:22:25.880 --> 0:22:28.199 show you enough that he can be your third or 0:22:28.200 --> 0:22:31.399 fourth receiver. Does that help them this year? I don't know, 0:22:31.440 --> 0:22:33.240 but we've talked about what next year is going to 0:22:33.320 --> 0:22:36.840 look like. Parker and Juju really the only receivers under 0:22:36.840 --> 0:22:40.560 contract are they still gonna be here? And then Thornton 0:22:40.600 --> 0:22:43.800 and that's it in the rookies, Like Bourn's contract's upright, 0:22:43.880 --> 0:22:45.720 So how many receivers do you have to go get 0:22:45.760 --> 0:22:47.480 next year? If you know Thornton can at least be 0:22:47.520 --> 0:22:50.800 a depth guy. It's not great for the fiftieth overall pick, 0:22:50.840 --> 0:22:53.439 but hey, it's something, yeah, and it's one less guy. 0:22:53.280 --> 0:22:55.320 You have to add it. And even if he can 0:22:55.359 --> 0:22:58.879 also just be I'm not as concerned with Taekwon with 0:22:59.040 --> 0:23:02.719 volume as I am with like actual impact of the 0:23:02.760 --> 0:23:07.360 spacing and the ability to threatn the safety, to keep 0:23:07.359 --> 0:23:09.800 the safety over the top, and like how it opens 0:23:09.880 --> 0:23:12.120 up the middle of the field maybe a little bit 0:23:12.480 --> 0:23:14.800 just by having somebody on the outside that can actually 0:23:14.920 --> 0:23:18.119 run by somebody one on one. It's not like I 0:23:18.880 --> 0:23:22.199 don't expect, because of what we've seen, for Taekwan to 0:23:22.200 --> 0:23:25.119 ever develop into like a high volume producer. But I 0:23:25.119 --> 0:23:28.000 also don't need him to do that necessarily. I just 0:23:28.000 --> 0:23:30.280 need him to be a threat out on the football field. 0:23:30.320 --> 0:23:34.399 So the offensive line configuration go back to the March 0:23:34.480 --> 0:23:38.600 offensive line configuration, play the kids. I also just would 0:23:38.640 --> 0:23:42.680 say quickly about Booty. I saw enough from Booty in 0:23:42.720 --> 0:23:45.960 the summer to think at this point when it comes 0:23:46.000 --> 0:23:51.040 to like the quick hitters, the slants, the screens off 0:23:51.080 --> 0:23:53.560 our pos, all this stuff that they're trying to feed 0:23:53.560 --> 0:23:57.000 to Juju, I just think Booty's in more explosive player 0:23:57.040 --> 0:23:59.880 at this time at this point, so I think he's 0:24:00.040 --> 0:24:02.520 that are suited to catch some of those passes if 0:24:02.520 --> 0:24:03.560 that's what you're still gonna do. 0:24:03.800 --> 0:24:03.879 Right. 0:24:04.000 --> 0:24:06.840 So those are my two things so far. Number three, 0:24:08.400 --> 0:24:12.040 I think Hunter Henry is your only consistent option, probably 0:24:12.119 --> 0:24:15.840 your best option at this point. I think Kendrick Bourne 0:24:15.880 --> 0:24:20.080 is more uh there's more boom to his game, but 0:24:20.080 --> 0:24:24.400 there's not as much consistency to him. Okay, Hunt, I 0:24:24.640 --> 0:24:28.119 believe that everything in the passing game needs the funnel 0:24:28.119 --> 0:24:31.200 through Hunter Henry. Yeah. Yeah, everything he's there. I mean 0:24:31.280 --> 0:24:32.000 he needs to. 0:24:33.560 --> 0:24:34.680 I want to say he needs to be in the 0:24:34.760 --> 0:24:38.920 Julian Nevilman role, not like he. 0:24:37.880 --> 0:24:39.720 Needs to be the chain mover. He needs to be 0:24:39.880 --> 0:24:42.120 ten to twelve targets a game. Yeah, and he needs 0:24:42.119 --> 0:24:44.320 to be the chain mover, Like when it's third down. 0:24:44.720 --> 0:24:47.240 You know that first third down of the game last 0:24:47.280 --> 0:24:50.280 week against the Saints, the route that Mac threw to 0:24:50.359 --> 0:24:52.520 him is really just like clearing it out, Like he's 0:24:52.560 --> 0:24:55.200 not even really the first read in the progression. Necessarily 0:24:55.200 --> 0:24:57.359 it's a clear out route. He's running through the middle 0:24:57.359 --> 0:24:59.520 of the field to take the linebacker and the safety 0:24:59.560 --> 0:25:02.080 out of the window for the crosser to Devonte Parker. 0:25:02.560 --> 0:25:05.320 I don't want him clearing out. I want the ball 0:25:05.400 --> 0:25:09.080 going to Hunter Henry, right, So Hunter Henry, I think, 0:25:09.160 --> 0:25:10.959 needs to be whatever way you want to call it, 0:25:11.000 --> 0:25:13.880 like the number one reading the progression. The concept needs 0:25:13.920 --> 0:25:16.400 to be set up for Hunter Henry, Like he's got 0:25:16.440 --> 0:25:20.560 to be your go to volume guy in this offense 0:25:20.600 --> 0:25:23.480 because the receivers. I think Kendrick Bourn's like, like I 0:25:23.600 --> 0:25:27.920 just said, a good big play guy, and I don't 0:25:27.960 --> 0:25:29.879 mean like he's gonna hit a seventy yard touchdown, but 0:25:29.920 --> 0:25:31.600 you get you catch my drift. Like he's one of 0:25:31.600 --> 0:25:34.560 those types of guys that can make some high, high 0:25:34.600 --> 0:25:38.920 impact plays, but not necessarily high volume plays. The volume 0:25:38.960 --> 0:25:41.040 can pass catcher in this offense for you, is Hunter 0:25:41.040 --> 0:25:44.840 Henry so he needs to be the third down chain mover. 0:25:45.280 --> 0:25:47.000 He needs to be the guy that you set up 0:25:47.000 --> 0:25:49.439 to wind man to man like, that's the guy that 0:25:49.480 --> 0:25:52.600 I'm funneling the offense through right now. So that's number three, 0:25:53.000 --> 0:25:56.680 number four, last one here, and this one I cannot 0:25:56.760 --> 0:25:59.320 stress enough is something that I just can't figure out 0:25:59.440 --> 0:26:02.880 about this team. Thy Montgomery needs to be the third 0:26:02.920 --> 0:26:05.879 down back. Yes, they need Toy Montgomery to be the 0:26:05.920 --> 0:26:09.120 third down back. I don't understand why they don't want 0:26:09.119 --> 0:26:11.800 to do this. I don't understand why he's playing wide receiver. 0:26:12.200 --> 0:26:14.720 I don't get any of the usage with thy Montgomery 0:26:14.920 --> 0:26:19.040 to this point. He has shown in last summer, in 0:26:19.040 --> 0:26:21.919 the opening week of that season, last year, and this 0:26:22.040 --> 0:26:27.000 summer that he's a decent third down back and I 0:26:27.040 --> 0:26:29.119 need to see him in that role. I think that 0:26:29.200 --> 0:26:34.879 this offense is starving for the checkdowns, the dump offfs 0:26:34.880 --> 0:26:38.280 into the flats, the one on ones against the linebacker, 0:26:38.320 --> 0:26:41.399 and having somebody that can actually get open. And I 0:26:41.400 --> 0:26:43.640 don't think Zeke and Remandre are getting the job done 0:26:43.680 --> 0:26:45.400 in that sense. I think that they take too long 0:26:45.440 --> 0:26:47.840 to get into their routes. I think that Mac doesn't 0:26:47.840 --> 0:26:50.480 know if they're on an option. Are they breaking in? 0:26:50.680 --> 0:26:53.320 Are they breaking out? And he's waiting. He's holding the 0:26:53.320 --> 0:26:55.400 ball a lot, trying to throw the football to them, 0:26:55.640 --> 0:26:57.919 waiting for them to get out of the backfield, waiting 0:26:57.920 --> 0:27:01.160 for their route to declare just two much much time, 0:27:01.640 --> 0:27:05.600 take it time. Montgomery's got to be the third down back. 0:27:05.640 --> 0:27:07.840 So those are the four things that I would do. Yeah, 0:27:07.880 --> 0:27:08.960 you know where I'm at with Montgomery. 0:27:08.960 --> 0:27:10.480 I agree with you on that he had that bad 0:27:10.560 --> 0:27:12.840 drop this week, but that's not you can't be sending 0:27:12.880 --> 0:27:13.440 time Montgomery. 0:27:13.600 --> 0:27:15.680 Go ball. Yeah I was a crosser, but he's playing 0:27:15.680 --> 0:27:18.360 wide receiver. I might and agains. So I would add 0:27:18.359 --> 0:27:20.960 a couple things to that one. Here we go again. 0:27:21.440 --> 0:27:22.639 You want to guess who I'm going with this. 0:27:23.040 --> 0:27:27.800 No, just get in ie formation or single back and 0:27:27.840 --> 0:27:31.359 just hand the ball off like that. No more fake 0:27:31.480 --> 0:27:34.320 push push, no more running out of shotgun, no more 0:27:36.240 --> 0:27:39.720 remember like Pop Warner, Remember twenty two dive two back to. 0:27:39.920 --> 0:27:42.000 I know that's not how plays are called at this level, 0:27:42.200 --> 0:27:44.600 but like, can I get a twenty two dive. 0:27:46.160 --> 0:27:46.360 Right? 0:27:46.520 --> 0:27:50.920 Something like that? Run the ball like that. That's really 0:27:50.920 --> 0:27:54.040 the only thing I'd add they need. They're not going 0:27:54.119 --> 0:27:55.560 to be able to win games during the ball forty 0:27:55.600 --> 0:27:57.800 times a game. They need some sort of semblance of 0:27:57.800 --> 0:27:59.440 a running game. In the running game the way it's 0:27:59.440 --> 0:28:00.639 constructed now, isn't it. 0:28:00.800 --> 0:28:04.000 Yeah, I agree, I agree. I think that in a 0:28:04.000 --> 0:28:06.240 lot of ways, like I kind of put that all 0:28:06.280 --> 0:28:09.320 together with the offensive line take, you know, that it's 0:28:09.359 --> 0:28:12.960 all kind of goes together. I do think that based 0:28:13.000 --> 0:28:15.720 off of, you know, some of the things that you know, 0:28:15.760 --> 0:28:17.680 I've talked to some of the players about this week. 0:28:17.760 --> 0:28:20.200 You know, I asked a couple of guys, all right, well, 0:28:20.520 --> 0:28:22.880 Bill O'Brien said that there's gonna be tweaks. He didn't 0:28:22.880 --> 0:28:25.119 say that there's gonna be like wholesale changes, but he 0:28:25.119 --> 0:28:27.520 said that there's gonna be tweaks. And I think some 0:28:27.560 --> 0:28:30.600 of the things that they are gonna try to tweak is, 0:28:30.680 --> 0:28:34.480 you know, less less tosses, less outside zone, like let's 0:28:34.480 --> 0:28:37.320 trying to hit the outside and just letting these guys, 0:28:37.359 --> 0:28:41.000 these big guys like on Wyne Vederian Lowe, Trent Brown, 0:28:41.240 --> 0:28:44.200 like just fire off the ball. If it's Mafi at guard, like, 0:28:44.280 --> 0:28:46.560 just fire off the ball. Right. Like to your point, 0:28:46.720 --> 0:28:50.120 it's not not as much of the side to side, 0:28:50.160 --> 0:28:53.200 not as much as the movement block, but just gap 0:28:53.280 --> 0:28:55.960 and just run ahead, right like that's sort of gonna 0:28:55.960 --> 0:28:58.160 be sort of the goal I think more this week. 0:28:58.200 --> 0:29:00.360 And the Raiders defense, like you should be able to 0:29:00.400 --> 0:29:02.719 run the ball a little bit on that interior D line. 0:29:03.120 --> 0:29:04.880 So I'm with you on that. But those are the 0:29:04.880 --> 0:29:06.560 things that I would try to do. Now, there's no 0:29:06.680 --> 0:29:09.640 quick fixes. They have a personnel issue. They have a 0:29:09.680 --> 0:29:12.200 talent issue on this team. We all know that. So 0:29:12.240 --> 0:29:14.520 it's not gonna fix that's not gonna fix itself overnight. 0:29:14.760 --> 0:29:16.240 But if you start to think about some of the 0:29:16.280 --> 0:29:18.640 things that the team can do to make it better, 0:29:19.600 --> 0:29:22.080 I think that's where you have to start. It's obviously, 0:29:22.120 --> 0:29:23.760 like I said, it's not not gonna be the number 0:29:23.760 --> 0:29:25.200 one scoring offense in the league the rest of the 0:29:25.240 --> 0:29:27.400 way just because you make time Montgomery the third down back. 0:29:27.440 --> 0:29:31.040 We are all aware of that. But in terms of 0:29:31.080 --> 0:29:33.480 what they can do in the on the micro level 0:29:33.800 --> 0:29:35.520 to try to make this at least look like an 0:29:35.600 --> 0:29:39.040 NFL offense, those are some of the places that I 0:29:39.080 --> 0:29:43.280 would start, big picture wise, really quickly before we open 0:29:43.280 --> 0:29:46.960 the phones. I think my like, my one thing with 0:29:47.040 --> 0:29:48.719 the big picture on this team, I don't know if 0:29:48.720 --> 0:29:51.360 you agree with this. Alex, I was walking. I think 0:29:51.360 --> 0:29:54.560 we walked out together on Sunday after the game. Yeah, 0:29:54.600 --> 0:29:57.080 and I fully admit I said this yesterday. I think 0:29:57.080 --> 0:30:00.800 on playbook like, I was like, fire everybody, right, ihire everybody. 0:30:01.520 --> 0:30:04.440 But at the same time, I do think that we 0:30:04.480 --> 0:30:06.440 need to take a step back and take a deep breath. 0:30:06.480 --> 0:30:07.800 And I think that this is one thing I'm not 0:30:07.840 --> 0:30:09.560 saying like because they're gonna turn the season around and 0:30:09.560 --> 0:30:11.440 make the playoffs. That's not what I'm saying. But I 0:30:11.480 --> 0:30:14.960 think this is one thing that you know, separates an 0:30:14.960 --> 0:30:19.120 owner like mister Kraft with people that cover the team 0:30:19.160 --> 0:30:21.560 like us in fans. Right, is that the knee jerk 0:30:21.640 --> 0:30:24.440 reaction to fire Bill on Monday morning because they lost 0:30:24.440 --> 0:30:27.840 thirty four to nothing, that didn't happen because you got 0:30:27.840 --> 0:30:29.800 to see the forest through the trees, right. You can't 0:30:29.840 --> 0:30:33.640 just react so knee jerk to everything. I would just 0:30:33.720 --> 0:30:37.760 say that at this point we all know. I think 0:30:37.800 --> 0:30:40.000 where I'm leaning. I think I know where you're leaning. 0:30:40.000 --> 0:30:41.760 By won't speak for you in terms of the future 0:30:41.800 --> 0:30:44.840 of the team and the head coach. I am certainly 0:30:44.920 --> 0:30:50.360 leaning towards a full reset, but With that being said, 0:30:50.800 --> 0:30:52.720 I do want to see the entire body of work. 0:30:53.920 --> 0:30:55.760 I do want to see the entire body of work. 0:30:55.840 --> 0:31:00.280 I don't think that in season firing is the right 0:31:00.320 --> 0:31:04.200 way to go about this, but I I I'm leaning 0:31:04.240 --> 0:31:07.320 towards that being the end outcome here. Don't get me wrong. 0:31:07.920 --> 0:31:12.440 But let's see what it looks like, you know, in January. Right, 0:31:13.120 --> 0:31:16.320 let's just let's give it a breath and uh, and 0:31:16.400 --> 0:31:18.320 let's see what it looks like. If it still looks 0:31:18.320 --> 0:31:20.720 like a train wreck, then he's gone, like, that's well. 0:31:20.600 --> 0:31:22.520 I mean, how many games are you gonna lose by? 0:31:22.760 --> 0:31:25.680 If by thirty consecutively? Right, That's kind of what it 0:31:25.680 --> 0:31:27.320 comes down to. Can they be better this week? And 0:31:27.320 --> 0:31:29.320 then what happens when you get to Buffalo in Miami? No, 0:31:29.440 --> 0:31:35.280 it's you got to see the whole picture, definitely, I there. 0:31:36.440 --> 0:31:37.640 I don't know that there needs to be like a 0:31:37.720 --> 0:31:40.160 rush to make a change. There's maybe a little inherent 0:31:40.240 --> 0:31:42.040 value if you wanted to see somebody on your staff 0:31:42.080 --> 0:31:45.560 as an interm you of that. But I don't know 0:31:45.600 --> 0:31:47.120 that it was so much a gut reaction to that 0:31:47.160 --> 0:31:48.760 game as it was the last two weeks. What makes 0:31:48.760 --> 0:31:51.120 it tough for me, and I'm I'm the guy that's 0:31:51.120 --> 0:31:53.320 the optimist. I'm the guy that's always sitting here. You know, 0:31:53.720 --> 0:31:56.000 you make fun of me for being too positive. Sure, 0:31:57.200 --> 0:32:02.040 it's it would be one thing if the issues as 0:32:02.040 --> 0:32:04.479 weird as this sounds, if the issues were things we 0:32:04.520 --> 0:32:08.520 didn't expect, I would almost feel better. Yeah, Like, let's say, 0:32:09.720 --> 0:32:13.480 let's say instead of you know, the offense being bad 0:32:13.480 --> 0:32:16.120 and the defense looking pretty good, let's say that they 0:32:16.120 --> 0:32:18.920 were losing all these games, like sixty to fifty. I 0:32:18.960 --> 0:32:21.680 would almost I'd feel better because I'd be that's really weird, 0:32:22.320 --> 0:32:25.320 but hey, we know this defense can do it, and 0:32:26.120 --> 0:32:27.200 they'll probably turn it around. 0:32:27.240 --> 0:32:28.800 And look at this do what the offense is doing. 0:32:30.120 --> 0:32:34.000 We've been saying since March even, Yeah, the offensive line 0:32:34.080 --> 0:32:36.320 is going to do this team in right, and what 0:32:36.400 --> 0:32:39.080 has happened. The offensive line has done this team in 0:32:39.680 --> 0:32:42.920 So to me, all they've done to this point is 0:32:42.960 --> 0:32:46.400 confirmed priors. And that's where I think it's a little 0:32:46.680 --> 0:32:49.320 again totally. You want to see the forest for the trees, 0:32:49.360 --> 0:32:50.160 but at this point. 0:32:49.960 --> 0:32:51.080 I want to see the full picture. 0:32:51.480 --> 0:32:54.040 But maybe we're not looking at the whole forest. But 0:32:54.480 --> 0:32:56.760 there's a lot of trees in front of us right now. 0:32:56.560 --> 0:33:02.480 And that's you know, every chance I get. I have said, 0:33:03.680 --> 0:33:06.440 this is not an overnight issue, right, Like, this isn't 0:33:06.480 --> 0:33:08.840 just about two games, This isn't just about some you know, 0:33:08.880 --> 0:33:11.640 a battle, was it now like eleven day stretch or 0:33:11.640 --> 0:33:14.479 something like that. This has been brewing, and this has 0:33:14.520 --> 0:33:17.960 been building in the In the personnel side of things particularly, 0:33:18.720 --> 0:33:24.360 is is problematic. They they're right now, Uh, they're not 0:33:24.600 --> 0:33:30.840 a very good talent evaluating team. They don't evaluate talent 0:33:30.960 --> 0:33:35.240 very well. They have really not made a single good 0:33:35.240 --> 0:33:39.440 offensive move on this team in like five years. Yeah, 0:33:39.480 --> 0:33:42.640 this has been my take. Sorry, this this has been 0:33:42.680 --> 0:33:49.480 my take. What was the last good offensive personnel moved 0:33:49.480 --> 0:33:52.120 to Patriots made? And I like Matt when we both 0:33:52.200 --> 0:33:54.600 liked Zeke, but that was like good for the city. 0:33:54.640 --> 0:33:56.240 I was like, all right, the situation is what it is. 0:33:56.280 --> 0:33:57.920 You made the right mo the only good move that 0:33:57.920 --> 0:33:59.600 they have made in the last five years. And I 0:33:59.600 --> 0:34:01.560 know it had and turned out good, Yeah, but it 0:34:01.600 --> 0:34:04.320 was the drafting Mac was the right move, and so I. 0:34:04.760 --> 0:34:08.520 Would argue that they've made one good move since. Yeah, 0:34:08.560 --> 0:34:10.840 And it was about forty hours later when they drafted 0:34:10.920 --> 0:34:11.760 Ramandra Stevenson. 0:34:11.840 --> 0:34:14.400 Yeah, I mean, like like drafting Christian Gonzalez was a 0:34:14.400 --> 0:34:15.200 good pick too. 0:34:15.360 --> 0:34:18.319 Offensive, I like offensive the last like you look at 0:34:18.320 --> 0:34:21.480 what they've done since, and I don't even know that 0:34:22.080 --> 0:34:25.400 Like some of it is is is misidentifying talent, but 0:34:25.440 --> 0:34:27.960 some of it's also just the lack of trying. Who 0:34:28.120 --> 0:34:30.640 when's the last time they put a and I defined 0:34:30.719 --> 0:34:33.680 premium asset as a top fifty pick or in fre 0:34:33.719 --> 0:34:36.000 agency making a player five highest paid at their position 0:34:36.040 --> 0:34:37.719 in the league. Yeah, when's the last time they put 0:34:37.760 --> 0:34:39.560 a premium asset in an tackle position? 0:34:39.800 --> 0:34:42.680 Yeah, Isaiah Win, They've this isn't It's something that I 0:34:42.719 --> 0:34:45.960 also think that, like we've talked about, but yeah, it 0:34:46.080 --> 0:34:49.719 just to echo your point there, there was there was 0:34:49.760 --> 0:34:53.239 a time in place in Bill Belichick's tenure with the 0:34:53.280 --> 0:34:56.080 Patriots where they always used to be a step ahead 0:34:56.120 --> 0:34:59.640 of these things. Yeah. Uh, you know, I tackle obviously 0:34:59.640 --> 0:35:01.520 the one that we always talk about his Nate soldered 0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:04.680 Matt Light to Nate Solder. Right, they drafted Matt Nate 0:35:04.719 --> 0:35:07.920 Solder a year before Matt Light retired. Nate Solder I 0:35:07.960 --> 0:35:10.200 think he played some right tackle his rookie year and 0:35:10.239 --> 0:35:14.080 some title sixth offensive line tight end thing, but really 0:35:14.120 --> 0:35:16.799 he was a backup. Volmer was at right tackle, Matt 0:35:16.880 --> 0:35:19.360 Light was at left tackle. Those guys were in trench starters. 0:35:19.360 --> 0:35:21.959 There are good players for the Patriots, but they still 0:35:22.080 --> 0:35:24.160 drafted Nate Soldier in the first round because they knew 0:35:24.160 --> 0:35:25.400 Matt Light was going to return. 0:35:25.360 --> 0:35:28.000 Even even at a less impact position. They went, I 0:35:28.000 --> 0:35:31.880 mean it was seamless Kevin Falk to Shane Vereen to 0:35:32.040 --> 0:35:38.839 Danny Woodhead to James White, Danny Woodhead and I don't 0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:41.960 even know. And James White was an important player for 0:35:42.000 --> 0:35:45.640 this offense, and that's an important role for It's it's 0:35:45.680 --> 0:35:48.200 not like they tried to draft his replacement or sign 0:35:48.280 --> 0:35:49.400 his replacement in Whift. 0:35:49.760 --> 0:35:52.200 What was the plan? Like? 0:35:52.360 --> 0:35:54.439 Was it time Montgomery? I don't think it was because 0:35:54.480 --> 0:35:55.680 they'd be playing him there? 0:35:55.800 --> 0:35:56.480 Yes, was it? 0:35:56.600 --> 0:36:00.080 Pierre Struck got caught nineteen passes in college. Again, it 0:36:00.080 --> 0:36:04.120 goes to that point where they haven't invested at all 0:36:04.320 --> 0:36:08.600 at tackle. They made one investment wide receiver. It missed, 0:36:08.600 --> 0:36:11.200 but they made what do you think it's gonna look like? 0:36:12.120 --> 0:36:14.799 And you look at the guys they've had leave. How 0:36:14.840 --> 0:36:18.400 many of these big name players that left. You can't 0:36:18.440 --> 0:36:20.760 find even the attempt the one for one to replace 0:36:20.800 --> 0:36:22.520 a lot of them. You can't even find the attempt. 0:36:22.640 --> 0:36:26.400 Yeah, and just I think we harp a lot on 0:36:26.520 --> 0:36:30.319 the drafting, but their pro personnel evaluation on offense has 0:36:30.320 --> 0:36:30.800 been terrible. 0:36:30.800 --> 0:36:32.880 No, it's the whole thing again. It's like I said, 0:36:33.160 --> 0:36:35.520 premium mass set. There's such a thing as a premium 0:36:35.520 --> 0:36:38.160 mass set at wide receiver. And people will talk about, 0:36:38.440 --> 0:36:40.640 you know one, people will talk about Hunter Henry Well 0:36:40.640 --> 0:36:42.480 that was technically before mac, but I would say that 0:36:42.520 --> 0:36:45.760 was a good move. People will bring up DeVante Parker. 0:36:46.640 --> 0:36:48.960 He's not I don't think he's in the top twenty 0:36:49.200 --> 0:36:52.520 highest paid receivers in football right now. Nelson Aglar was 0:36:52.560 --> 0:36:55.160 like the twenty fifth highest paid receiver. When they sign up, 0:36:55.160 --> 0:36:57.360 people talked about that, Oh they gave Nelsonnagelor a big contract. 0:36:57.400 --> 0:36:59.759 That's not a big contract for wide receiver in today's game. 0:37:00.040 --> 0:37:01.600 Juju Smith Schuster is the thirty six. 0:37:01.600 --> 0:37:04.840 Highest paid wide receiver in football. Those are not premium assets. 0:37:04.960 --> 0:37:08.279 They are also just bad evaluations of the player. Like 0:37:09.160 --> 0:37:12.440 the deave Port. I'm trying not to like pile on 0:37:12.480 --> 0:37:14.959 them too much about the Jacobe for Juju thing because 0:37:14.960 --> 0:37:18.120 I was wrong about that too, but I was wrong 0:37:18.160 --> 0:37:20.480 about it. Sitting in this chair in this studio talking 0:37:20.480 --> 0:37:23.560 to you about it, I'm not running the football team 0:37:23.680 --> 0:37:25.799 right like right, And I'm not saying that that makes 0:37:25.880 --> 0:37:28.600 me like it's better, but it is kind of better, 0:37:28.800 --> 0:37:31.160 right Like it's you're supposed to know more than me. 0:37:31.160 --> 0:37:32.279 They're supposed to prove us wrong. 0:37:32.320 --> 0:37:34.359 Yeah, we're supposed to be here the media, aud mouth 0:37:34.400 --> 0:37:36.040 saying what we think, and everybody in the comments, who 0:37:36.080 --> 0:37:37.840 are these guys, you know, leading to the professionals, and 0:37:37.840 --> 0:37:39.560 then they do the right thing, and everybody rips us 0:37:39.560 --> 0:37:39.920 on Twitter? 0:37:40.040 --> 0:37:42.560 Right, that's the natural order. So they had all the 0:37:42.560 --> 0:37:46.120 information I had about probably said. And I'm not exonerating myself. 0:37:46.120 --> 0:37:47.840 I'm just saying they should have been right, and I 0:37:47.880 --> 0:37:50.719 should have been wrong, and they were wrong too. That's 0:37:50.760 --> 0:37:53.959 a problem. John new Smith is having a much better 0:37:54.080 --> 0:37:56.800 year in Atlanta. So you could talk about that being 0:37:56.920 --> 0:37:58.959 like a usage thing, but I think that that's part 0:37:58.960 --> 0:38:03.000 of GMing right, is knowing how you're gonna use a player. 0:38:03.040 --> 0:38:04.960 Yeah, you know, I always say this, You got to 0:38:05.000 --> 0:38:08.280 have whether you're drafting a player, whether you're signing a player, 0:38:09.280 --> 0:38:13.040 you need to have outside like maybe like Day three guys, 0:38:13.040 --> 0:38:16.080 you're just drafting for potential whatever, But whether you're gonna 0:38:16.120 --> 0:38:17.759 draft a player where you're gonna sign a player like 0:38:17.760 --> 0:38:21.359 with a premium asset, what is the plan? We talked 0:38:21.360 --> 0:38:23.680 about this. A lot of people call in and say, 0:38:24.080 --> 0:38:26.600 you know, I like so and so prospect. We did 0:38:26.600 --> 0:38:28.920 this with with Quintin Johnston, right, people, And he's been 0:38:28.920 --> 0:38:32.160 good in LA. Yeah, he's been fine in LA. There 0:38:32.440 --> 0:38:34.279 there are people who called in were like, yeah, we 0:38:34.360 --> 0:38:36.200 like Quinn Johnson. We sat in and said, yeah, he's 0:38:36.200 --> 0:38:39.040 a good player, but is he gonna play what is 0:38:39.080 --> 0:38:42.359 the path to him making them a better team? And 0:38:42.800 --> 0:38:45.640 there were other good players with more clear of a path. 0:38:45.719 --> 0:38:48.600 It does felt like at times they've added guys just 0:38:48.640 --> 0:38:51.279 to add them and the I mean I Johnny Smith, 0:38:51.320 --> 0:38:54.000 Nikil Harry, there's some guys on defense as well that it's. 0:38:53.920 --> 0:38:58.399 Like Jalen Mills, Juwan Williams, what was the plan there? Yeah? 0:38:58.480 --> 0:39:00.799 Are you just adding the player to Adam? Yeah, yeah, 0:39:01.160 --> 0:39:04.440 I'm with you on that. I just it's all of 0:39:04.480 --> 0:39:07.320 it like we I think we harp on the draft 0:39:07.400 --> 0:39:09.600 and this isn't about Like my take earlier by Jerry Judy, 0:39:09.600 --> 0:39:11.440 But I think we harve a lot on the draft 0:39:11.440 --> 0:39:13.880 picks because the drafting has been bad. Outside of a 0:39:13.920 --> 0:39:18.480 few isolated instances, maybe more recently, it's been a little 0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:21.600 bit better than it was in let's say, like sixteen 0:39:21.640 --> 0:39:24.040 to eighteen. But the twenty twenty two draft is not 0:39:24.080 --> 0:39:27.240 better than anything that brings it right. Twenty one was good. 0:39:27.719 --> 0:39:30.840 This year's looks good. Yeah, this year looks okay. I 0:39:30.880 --> 0:39:32.080 mean Christians Alz looks great. 0:39:32.160 --> 0:39:35.120 Christians also looks great. They'll hit on one of Mapu 0:39:35.160 --> 0:39:36.960 and White. I think the jury's still out, but there's 0:39:37.000 --> 0:39:38.560 a night with each one that I think one of 0:39:38.600 --> 0:39:39.000 those guys. 0:39:39.200 --> 0:39:42.879 I think they might both like technically hit, but are 0:39:42.960 --> 0:39:47.279 either one of them an impact player? And I think 0:39:47.800 --> 0:39:50.160 you've seen flashes from the I don't think. I think 0:39:50.239 --> 0:39:53.120 both of those guys are role players, and the defense 0:39:53.160 --> 0:39:55.680 that knows how to use role players. Like I'm not 0:39:55.719 --> 0:39:57.759 saying that it is like a horrible thing. You just 0:39:57.800 --> 0:39:59.560 read off all the third round picks the last few years. 0:40:00.040 --> 0:40:01.560 If they get role players in those picks and then 0:40:01.600 --> 0:40:03.640 to Mario Douglas might be something. So it's like, you know, 0:40:04.360 --> 0:40:08.560 I do think there's a misconception that a good draft means, 0:40:08.600 --> 0:40:11.680 like all the players are like six of seven, five 0:40:11.719 --> 0:40:15.120 of seven. If fifty percent your players become like solid 0:40:15.120 --> 0:40:17.080 contributors from a DRID, you want it. You always want 0:40:17.080 --> 0:40:19.719 to hit on your first You generally have two Day 0:40:19.760 --> 0:40:21.360 three picks. You want to hit two of two. You 0:40:21.360 --> 0:40:23.520 want to hit on two of those three, Yeah, and 0:40:23.560 --> 0:40:25.600 then one or two on Day three. Yeah. 0:40:25.719 --> 0:40:29.600 If about half your draft class becomes contributing players, you 0:40:29.680 --> 0:40:32.439 had a solid DREFD, you do better beat a solid draft. 0:40:32.480 --> 0:40:34.319 I think that they hit on their first round pick. 0:40:35.239 --> 0:40:37.120 I feel it's a decent chance one of those two 0:40:37.200 --> 0:40:39.319 Day two guys turns into something and then they have 0:40:39.400 --> 0:40:41.160 to Mario Douglas and it's like, all right, if one 0:40:41.239 --> 0:40:42.920 more of those Day three guys comes along, maybe a 0:40:43.000 --> 0:40:46.160 Tonio Maffi's a guy. Yeah, all right, that's just fine. 0:40:46.800 --> 0:40:49.279 You're not you know, it's not gonna go up in 0:40:49.320 --> 0:40:51.000 the Hall of Fame, but that's a fine draft. 0:40:51.080 --> 0:40:53.120 Mafi kills me. And I didn't know when I was 0:40:53.160 --> 0:40:55.440 gonna do this, but I you know, I'm gonna say it. 0:40:55.440 --> 0:40:57.440 I'm gonna say it for three down. But I think 0:40:57.440 --> 0:41:00.279 the biggest thing is is, uh, you know, it's been 0:41:00.320 --> 0:41:04.520 pro personnel and it's been on a on a college 0:41:04.560 --> 0:41:08.360 scouting level too, and I think sometimes we even don't 0:41:08.760 --> 0:41:11.720 call both things out and I and I really feel 0:41:11.719 --> 0:41:12.680 like it's been on a pro level. 0:41:12.719 --> 0:41:12.799 Off. 0:41:12.840 --> 0:41:14.239 All right, let's get to the calls and then we'll 0:41:14.280 --> 0:41:16.880 do three up, three down from this last game against 0:41:16.880 --> 0:41:20.120 the Saints. Brandon is an Oregon Brandon, if you're still there, 0:41:20.920 --> 0:41:24.280 I doubted that one. Cousin, Patty, what's up, cousin Patty? 0:41:25.880 --> 0:41:27.000 You know I'm still hanging on. 0:41:27.280 --> 0:41:30.080 Yes, yes, Evan. 0:41:30.120 --> 0:41:32.400 I don't want this to come off as like in 0:41:32.560 --> 0:41:36.080 a jerk, but the idea that I brought up on you, 0:41:36.440 --> 0:41:38.719 like I had no idea, Like that's that's why I 0:41:38.719 --> 0:41:40.680 asked the question. That's why I had the idea. Like 0:41:40.960 --> 0:41:44.000 I didn't know they were still running McDade teams. 0:41:44.000 --> 0:41:46.080 Oh no, No, I just didn't know. You're good. 0:41:46.719 --> 0:41:48.799 No, I'm glady cleared up because I'm like, all right, well, 0:41:48.800 --> 0:41:52.279 I guess that makes sense. It looks like crap. So 0:41:52.520 --> 0:41:53.480 here's my idea. 0:41:53.560 --> 0:41:56.560 I will you know, what do you guys. 0:41:56.320 --> 0:42:00.000 Think about this? Love the idea of trading for Jerry 0:42:01.640 --> 0:42:04.400 and you know we're gonna have all this frigging money 0:42:04.440 --> 0:42:08.640 to spend in the offseason, Go get T Higgins and 0:42:08.760 --> 0:42:13.040 draft I don't know how to say his name, Bashanu 0:42:13.320 --> 0:42:17.640 or and I mean, just ride it out with Mac 0:42:17.680 --> 0:42:20.319 for at least next year. I don't know who's coming 0:42:20.400 --> 0:42:23.160 up in twenty twenty five. Do you think that's a 0:42:23.200 --> 0:42:27.680 better idea than possibly taking a like another quarterback like 0:42:27.719 --> 0:42:31.359 a Drake May. Yeah, I agree. I don't think we're 0:42:31.360 --> 0:42:34.080 gonna get Caleb Williams. But then you're you're sort of 0:42:34.120 --> 0:42:37.280 throwing them to the wolves, you know, I mean basically 0:42:37.400 --> 0:42:42.040 our whole line minus Cole Strange, and you know, all 0:42:42.080 --> 0:42:44.719 the guys that we drafted, all the guards and Jake 0:42:44.800 --> 0:42:48.319 Andrews that we drafted are are off the team next year. 0:42:48.800 --> 0:42:52.640 Yeah, it's a good question, Patty, and thanks for the call. Uh, 0:42:53.000 --> 0:42:56.799 it's a good question about what's the best way for it. 0:42:56.880 --> 0:43:00.239 Is it going back in the quarterback Carris in the 0:43:00.320 --> 0:43:02.799 draft and drafting one of the quarterbacks, or is it 0:43:02.840 --> 0:43:07.120 continuing to build the offensive personnel so that either Mac 0:43:07.160 --> 0:43:09.520 works or two years from now, a year from now, 0:43:09.600 --> 0:43:11.239 you get the quarterback and just drop him in and 0:43:11.320 --> 0:43:13.880 hit the ground running. They have so many holes on 0:43:14.000 --> 0:43:16.680 offense that it's a fair question to ask if it's 0:43:16.719 --> 0:43:20.879 better to just start drafting offensive players that aren't quarterbacks, 0:43:21.160 --> 0:43:24.200 because no quarterback is gonna succeed if you just drop 0:43:24.320 --> 0:43:27.520 him into this mess right now. But my contention to 0:43:27.560 --> 0:43:29.320 that is, and this is the one time that I 0:43:29.960 --> 0:43:33.719 might agree with you on this, I don't know what 0:43:33.840 --> 0:43:36.680 the quarterback classes in twenty twenty five and beyond are 0:43:36.680 --> 0:43:38.840 going to look like. I do know that there's a 0:43:38.840 --> 0:43:41.000 couple of quarterbacks in this class that I really like. 0:43:41.600 --> 0:43:44.000 So if you really like a quarterback in this class 0:43:44.000 --> 0:43:47.000 and you can upgrade that position, I'm of this, of 0:43:47.000 --> 0:43:49.759 the thought that you have to do that. But at 0:43:49.800 --> 0:43:51.719 the same time, I can hear the other side of 0:43:51.719 --> 0:43:54.640 it of drafting, was it Joe alt Right is the 0:43:54.680 --> 0:43:58.600 other the guy he's said, say you're gonna love him, 0:43:58.640 --> 0:44:02.440 Marvin Harrison Junior. If you're that high up like I 0:44:02.520 --> 0:44:05.600 brought Bowers, I can understand that line of thinking, and 0:44:05.680 --> 0:44:08.200 maybe we get to that point I said earlier of 0:44:08.480 --> 0:44:11.719 wanting to see the whole picture. If Bill O'Brien has 0:44:11.760 --> 0:44:14.200 Mac Jones playing better football in the second half of 0:44:14.239 --> 0:44:17.360 the season, and the arrow starts to point back upward, 0:44:17.400 --> 0:44:20.560 for mac I don't think he's ever gonna develop into 0:44:20.600 --> 0:44:24.680 anything like special at the position, but maybe he's a 0:44:24.680 --> 0:44:28.160 better bridge option for the time being as you draft 0:44:28.200 --> 0:44:32.680 your left tackle stud or your receiver stud or whatever. Yeah. 0:44:32.800 --> 0:44:35.960 I just the other thing you have to consider here 0:44:36.120 --> 0:44:40.279 is the whole value of that rookie quarterback contract. Yeah, 0:44:40.320 --> 0:44:42.439 and the clocks essentially run out on that for mac 0:44:42.520 --> 0:44:44.640 Jones next year. You know they have the fifth year option, 0:44:44.719 --> 0:44:47.400 but next year's released last year under contract. You have 0:44:47.480 --> 0:44:49.839 a chance to reset that thing entirely if you take 0:44:49.880 --> 0:44:52.480 a quarterback this year. And if it wasn't such a 0:44:52.520 --> 0:44:55.120 strong quarterback class, I might say, you know, Joe al 0:44:55.360 --> 0:44:59.120 Fashanu or whatever, but you're gonna have a shot. I think, 0:44:59.160 --> 0:45:01.359 get up potentially franchise guy as long as you're picking 0:45:01.400 --> 0:45:03.719 in the top fifteen. And I used to be the 0:45:03.760 --> 0:45:04.880 one that was like, yeah, if you don't get the 0:45:04.880 --> 0:45:08.440 guy memember you really wanted, was it Davis Mills or 0:45:08.480 --> 0:45:11.800 Kellen Mond, I'd like to tell that the mac Jones 0:45:11.840 --> 0:45:13.560 here where you were like, oh, just you know, wait 0:45:13.600 --> 0:45:14.480 till the second. 0:45:14.440 --> 0:45:16.600 I didn't say that. I said, if you if I 0:45:16.680 --> 0:45:18.840 had to take any of the day two guys like 0:45:18.840 --> 0:45:19.879 the day two three guys. 0:45:19.960 --> 0:45:22.040 All right, I'm gonna I'm gonna kind of give myself 0:45:22.080 --> 0:45:23.920 the opposite of Victory lap here too, because you wanted 0:45:23.920 --> 0:45:25.640 that guy and I said no at that point, just 0:45:25.680 --> 0:45:28.160 wait till next year. Next year looks like a really 0:45:28.160 --> 0:45:30.200 good class too. You remember the guy who I was 0:45:30.200 --> 0:45:31.839 talking about was filed your COVID who's now. 0:45:31.800 --> 0:45:35.200 A tight end. So look, you did like I did, 0:45:35.200 --> 0:45:39.080 like filder Covic and then BC ruined him. Uh mate, 0:45:39.160 --> 0:45:43.160 going around this city right exactly exactly, maybe next year's 0:45:43.160 --> 0:45:46.240 class ends up being good. I personally believe Shouldar Sanders 0:45:46.320 --> 0:45:48.000 is going to go back to school, So I think 0:45:48.040 --> 0:45:49.759 that's the only guy that I can tell you is 0:45:49.800 --> 0:45:51.520 going to be in next year's class right now. 0:45:51.520 --> 0:45:55.000 Right, So Shouldar Sanders is gonna go one one. So 0:45:55.760 --> 0:45:58.000 you're gonna have to be the worst team in the league. 0:45:58.000 --> 0:46:00.600 And if you're picking Joe Alt, if you add more Harrison, 0:46:00.760 --> 0:46:02.200 those guys are gonna win you games. 0:46:02.360 --> 0:46:03.360 Yeah, you know, I look. 0:46:03.239 --> 0:46:05.160 At the rest at class, the guys who are projected 0:46:05.160 --> 0:46:08.399 first round picks right now, Caid klub Nick, I don't 0:46:08.400 --> 0:46:10.840 think this is very updated because Clemson's offense has not 0:46:11.000 --> 0:46:11.479 been good. 0:46:11.680 --> 0:46:14.640 He does not look like the typical Clemson quarterback. Drew Aller. 0:46:14.640 --> 0:46:14.919 I don't. 0:46:14.960 --> 0:46:18.000 Did you see the press conference with James Franklin about 0:46:18.040 --> 0:46:20.080 Drew the other day where the reporter ass like, have 0:46:20.080 --> 0:46:21.359 you ever told h to just throw it deep? 0:46:21.480 --> 0:46:22.279 Just to do it? Yeah? 0:46:22.560 --> 0:46:25.359 Drew Aller right now? Has you're drafting Mac Jones again. 0:46:25.440 --> 0:46:27.880 If you draft Drew Aller, the only other quarterback is 0:46:27.880 --> 0:46:29.239 supposed to go in the first round next year's a 0:46:29.239 --> 0:46:31.680 guy named Connor Connor Weigman from tex A and m 0:46:31.719 --> 0:46:33.120 who's not even a starter there yet. 0:46:33.280 --> 0:46:35.160 And then you get in like Ty Simpson, who hasn't Okay, 0:46:35.160 --> 0:46:36.279 sot me ask you this question. 0:46:36.560 --> 0:46:38.759 If you have a chance to draft a franchise quarterback 0:46:38.880 --> 0:46:42.440 with your quarterback who at best has been up and 0:46:42.480 --> 0:46:45.360 down entering the final year of his rookie deal, I 0:46:45.400 --> 0:46:46.480 think you have to do it. 0:46:46.480 --> 0:46:48.560 It's just too important of a position. So let me 0:46:48.560 --> 0:46:50.719 ask you the important question, because this is this is 0:46:50.760 --> 0:46:53.080 a good money question that we're going to get starting 0:46:53.120 --> 0:46:56.160 in January. We're gonna get this questioning at me now 0:46:56.320 --> 0:47:00.600 five thousand times. Yeah, who is the Jalen Hurt of 0:47:00.640 --> 0:47:01.560 the twenty twenty four. 0:47:01.800 --> 0:47:03.799 Okay, so you're not even asking me about the first round? 0:47:03.840 --> 0:47:05.399 Who is the Jalen Hurts. 0:47:05.080 --> 0:47:09.520 Because let me preface it. If you're gonna this is 0:47:09.600 --> 0:47:13.440 the this is the Carson Wentz year. The Eagles drafted 0:47:13.520 --> 0:47:17.239 Jalen Hurts right going into Carson Wentz's fourth year. They 0:47:17.280 --> 0:47:20.319 gave Carson Wentz the fourth year to see if it 0:47:20.360 --> 0:47:23.120 was gonna be good or not. It wasn't. That's when 0:47:23.120 --> 0:47:26.319 they pivoted to Jalen Hurts. So everybody that called us 0:47:26.400 --> 0:47:31.160 last year in last draft cycle about the kid from Tennessee, oh, 0:47:31.640 --> 0:47:34.560 Ken Hooker and calling him the next Jalen Hurts and 0:47:34.600 --> 0:47:36.759 all this stuff, they I kept on saying, you're a 0:47:36.800 --> 0:47:39.439 year too early, You're a year too early. We're here now. 0:47:39.680 --> 0:47:42.080 So is there I know JJ McCarthy is like the 0:47:42.120 --> 0:47:44.600 mac Jones. I have no interest in JJ McCarthy. I 0:47:44.600 --> 0:47:47.080 have zero interesting Yeah. So is there a guy that 0:47:47.239 --> 0:47:50.200 has the tools but maybe needs to be put together? Okay? 0:47:50.239 --> 0:47:51.759 So can I give you a couple of names? Yeah? 0:47:51.760 --> 0:47:52.640 You know I have to give you a couple of 0:47:52.680 --> 0:47:54.640 names here. Yeah, a guy a lot of people like 0:47:54.760 --> 0:47:55.719 is Riley Leonard from. 0:47:55.680 --> 0:47:58.360 Duke Oh yeah, I do like him I like his moxie. 0:47:58.360 --> 0:47:59.040 He just make up. 0:47:59.080 --> 0:48:01.359 He's got the makeup. He runs really well. He is 0:48:01.400 --> 0:48:03.920 not remotely a passer right now, and he just suffered 0:48:03.960 --> 0:48:06.960 a pretty serious ankleing, so there's some wonders about him. 0:48:07.000 --> 0:48:08.240 That sounds right up the Patriots. 0:48:08.320 --> 0:48:12.600 I like kJ Jefferson from Arkansas. Big dude, big guy, 0:48:12.880 --> 0:48:15.680 cannon arm plays with a ton of confidence, can run 0:48:15.719 --> 0:48:19.360 the football. He's kind of got that like, and I 0:48:19.560 --> 0:48:22.760 use this comp very very loosely. He's got a little 0:48:22.800 --> 0:48:24.560 bit of that Cam Newton thing where he's like, I 0:48:24.600 --> 0:48:27.560 can throw it pastua, I can run through you. Now, 0:48:27.760 --> 0:48:30.520 his decision making that needs to build up, both as 0:48:30.520 --> 0:48:33.759 a runner and a passer. He's a little too loose 0:48:33.800 --> 0:48:35.239 with the football right now. The conference is maybe a 0:48:35.239 --> 0:48:37.520 little too much, But I like him. 0:48:37.600 --> 0:48:39.120 Joe Milton from Tennessee. 0:48:39.160 --> 0:48:42.520 From Tennessee, I am very interested for you to actually 0:48:42.520 --> 0:48:43.440 watch and break down time. 0:48:43.640 --> 0:48:46.040 Watched like a little bit of him because he would 0:48:46.080 --> 0:48:48.359 come in for Cockers sometimes last year because they're blowing 0:48:48.360 --> 0:48:51.280 teams out. And he would also come in from Hooker 0:48:51.520 --> 0:48:53.440 for hook On Hill Mary's because he's. 0:48:53.800 --> 0:48:56.160 Here's the thing about Joe Milton. If you need somebody 0:48:56.160 --> 0:48:58.799 to throw the football eighty yards. Joe Milton can throw 0:48:58.800 --> 0:49:01.600 the football at the right. If you need somebody to 0:49:01.600 --> 0:49:03.719 throw a five yard slant, Joe Milton can throw the 0:49:03.719 --> 0:49:06.480 football eighty yards. Like that's just kind of There's one 0:49:06.520 --> 0:49:08.239 play I think it might have been in their spring game. 0:49:08.280 --> 0:49:10.520 I can't remember where they're at, like the five yard line, 0:49:10.520 --> 0:49:12.480 and he's trying to hit a crosser along the end line, 0:49:12.520 --> 0:49:14.040 like the back of the end zone, and he throws 0:49:14.040 --> 0:49:16.680 the ball like like four rows into the stands. Yeah, 0:49:16.719 --> 0:49:20.240 which is like impressive but not really helpful. 0:49:20.280 --> 0:49:23.399 But you're telling me he's like his in his pro day. 0:49:23.440 --> 0:49:25.680 He's gonna He's Pro day. They're gonna love. 0:49:25.760 --> 0:49:28.200 So so here's they Remember how last year I said, 0:49:28.239 --> 0:49:31.760 Anthony Richardson makes Josh Allen looks like he plays under control. 0:49:32.239 --> 0:49:36.319 Joe Milton is the next evolution of that. Okay, but 0:49:36.480 --> 0:49:40.000 Joe Milton. Joe Milton makes Josh Allen look like Chad Pennington. 0:49:39.719 --> 0:49:41.839 And Joe Milton's defense, that is kind of what we're 0:49:41.880 --> 0:49:42.480 talking about. 0:49:42.880 --> 0:49:45.600 So again we're talking about the guy who just rock 0:49:45.719 --> 0:49:48.719 Can you build him up? That's maybe Joe Milton. I've 0:49:48.760 --> 0:49:51.440 got two more for you okay quickly. One is Grayson 0:49:51.480 --> 0:49:54.440 McCall from Coastal Carolina. Gray McCall's been in college for 0:49:54.440 --> 0:49:55.600 a while, and. 0:49:55.760 --> 0:49:58.319 One coat say, like is he is he thirty? At like? 0:49:58.640 --> 0:50:00.799 I think he's like twenty four? What point are we 0:50:00.840 --> 0:50:02.040 gonna go to the NFL? 0:50:02.480 --> 0:50:04.799 So Grayson McCall, people thought he'd be a first round 0:50:04.840 --> 0:50:06.640 pick at one point and then a bunch of quarterbacks 0:50:06.680 --> 0:50:08.239 in this class kind of came out of nowhere. He's 0:50:08.239 --> 0:50:12.160 twenty two, it'll be twenty three in December. He's if 0:50:12.200 --> 0:50:15.319 you're somebody who thinks, maybe Zach Wilson that makeup is 0:50:15.360 --> 0:50:17.319 what you want and he just got butchered by the 0:50:17.400 --> 0:50:19.880 Jets or the spoiled rich kid thing did him in. 0:50:20.400 --> 0:50:23.720 Grayson McCall moves around really well, throws a really pretty ball. 0:50:23.960 --> 0:50:26.319 You're gonna wonder about the jumping level of competition and 0:50:26.360 --> 0:50:29.320 consistency in the last one. And this one's really interesting. 0:50:29.360 --> 0:50:32.760 You talked before about Riley Leonard being up the Patriots 0:50:32.800 --> 0:50:36.040 alley if it's still this regime, because this is a 0:50:36.040 --> 0:50:41.239 trend with them. Dj Ujungloway is the quarterback at Guy. 0:50:41.520 --> 0:50:45.680 So he was he was the number one recruit in 0:50:45.680 --> 0:50:48.840 the country coming out in class of twenty nineteen. Not 0:50:49.000 --> 0:50:51.600 number one quarterback, number one recruit, and it was supposed 0:50:51.600 --> 0:50:54.440 to be they had Deshaun Watson, they had Trevor Lawrence. 0:50:54.680 --> 0:50:58.799 This was the next guy. Big dude, six four to two. 0:50:58.840 --> 0:51:01.480 I think he's two fifty. Yeah, six four, two fifty, 0:51:01.920 --> 0:51:05.600 can throw the ball around the yard. Electric it'ber Matt 0:51:05.640 --> 0:51:09.080 and we're doing this. They they never they never figured 0:51:09.120 --> 0:51:13.920 him out. Dabo Sweeney, shocker, couldn't figure him out. He 0:51:14.080 --> 0:51:16.400 and I was ready to write him off. But he 0:51:16.520 --> 0:51:18.799 has gone to Oregon State this year and that I 0:51:18.840 --> 0:51:20.520 know you don't like Pack twelve pac Twel's no joke, 0:51:20.520 --> 0:51:24.360 this yere Beavers. He has been awesome through five touchdowns 0:51:24.440 --> 0:51:28.160 last week beat Utah. Alright, this is but this is 0:51:28.200 --> 0:51:31.040 the Patriots thing, right, former high score recruit maybe got 0:51:31.040 --> 0:51:32.120 misused in college. 0:51:32.200 --> 0:51:34.359 We're not doing this again next year. This is the 0:51:34.400 --> 0:51:35.480 Patriots thing. Right. 0:51:35.480 --> 0:51:38.719 But but but but you know, high high ranked, high 0:51:38.719 --> 0:51:41.040 score recruit, maybe didn get figured out. Old has been 0:51:41.040 --> 0:51:43.560 really good this year. And you're the guy that's clamoring 0:51:43.600 --> 0:51:45.440 for that modern quarterback. He can run it, he can 0:51:45.440 --> 0:51:46.839 throw it, he can process up the line. 0:51:46.880 --> 0:51:47.279 All of it. 0:51:47.760 --> 0:51:50.200 This is who he was supposed to be, and it 0:51:50.360 --> 0:51:52.480 just never clicked for him at organ At Clemson, it's 0:51:52.480 --> 0:51:53.160 clicking for him. 0:51:53.200 --> 0:51:53.399 Now. 0:51:53.600 --> 0:51:55.960 He's gonna rise up draft boards. He's gonna be a 0:51:55.960 --> 0:51:57.879 guy that probably ends up in that day too, maybe 0:51:57.960 --> 0:52:00.640 early day three conversation that people look at and say, 0:52:00.719 --> 0:52:02.560 if he goes to the right and this was Jalen Hurts, 0:52:02.840 --> 0:52:05.040 if he goes to the right situation with the right 0:52:05.120 --> 0:52:08.200 coaching staff, the talent is certainly there, not just for 0:52:08.280 --> 0:52:10.120 him to be a starter, but for be a guy, 0:52:10.280 --> 0:52:11.520 to be a guy that can win games. 0:52:11.520 --> 0:52:14.319 It's just how much did Clemson set him back? All right? 0:52:14.560 --> 0:52:17.320 All right? I like that. It's depressing that we're talking 0:52:17.360 --> 0:52:19.319 about that on October twelve, you're gonna be a big 0:52:19.400 --> 0:52:23.520 DJ younga leg and that that's where we're at. I 0:52:23.520 --> 0:52:25.680 I just really quickly on the quarterbacks because I have 0:52:25.800 --> 0:52:27.880 not watched them as extensively as you. As you just 0:52:27.960 --> 0:52:30.520 rattled off, like seventeen, you gotta watch this week. But 0:52:30.640 --> 0:52:32.480 the one, well, so let me just play. It's still early, 0:52:32.600 --> 0:52:33.719 still a lot of ball to be played, so that 0:52:33.760 --> 0:52:36.440 can all change. The one guy that I really really like, 0:52:36.560 --> 0:52:38.319 and this is not like a mid round Yeah, because 0:52:38.320 --> 0:52:40.759 you know, I'm not that deep. Yeah, I love Drake 0:52:40.800 --> 0:52:43.359 Bay Oh Evan likes the second best prospect in the way. 0:52:43.480 --> 0:52:46.919 I really like Drake May. And when I watched Drake May, 0:52:47.960 --> 0:52:51.680 my comp right now is Justin Herbert. Yeah, you're not 0:52:51.680 --> 0:52:53.600 the only one that says that. Oh really, Yeah, No, 0:52:53.640 --> 0:52:56.480 that's you know, I don't pay attention, So who is it. 0:52:56.440 --> 0:52:58.759 One of the big draft guys. Is like he's halfway 0:52:58.840 --> 0:53:01.080 between Justin Herbert and Josh Allen. 0:53:01.520 --> 0:53:04.000 Yeah. I think he's more controlled than Josh Allen, So 0:53:04.040 --> 0:53:05.719 maybe that's where we're getting at from. 0:53:05.880 --> 0:53:09.200 I definitely think he's closer to Herbert. I I'm starting 0:53:09.239 --> 0:53:11.920 to come around on him. Like my thing with quarterbacks, 0:53:11.920 --> 0:53:14.640 with first round quarterbacks again, it's that carrying trait thing. 0:53:14.920 --> 0:53:16.919 What does he do that nobody else in the class does. 0:53:17.560 --> 0:53:19.560 Drake May is kind of in this weird spot where 0:53:19.600 --> 0:53:21.560 even I think when you take Caleb Williams out of it, 0:53:21.560 --> 0:53:22.520 because he's a unicorn. 0:53:22.640 --> 0:53:23.000 Yeah. 0:53:23.040 --> 0:53:25.440 I don't know that any single one of Drake May's 0:53:25.480 --> 0:53:28.760 traits are the best in this class, but every single 0:53:28.800 --> 0:53:31.640 one might be the second best in this class. And 0:53:32.200 --> 0:53:35.279 usually that's the guy that I'm like, but he's he's 0:53:35.360 --> 0:53:37.839 just so well rounded that I'm starting to come around 0:53:37.840 --> 0:53:37.960 to it. 0:53:38.840 --> 0:53:42.960 Okay, Yeah, Like I got he's got confidence, poise, polished 0:53:43.080 --> 0:53:45.919 like he just looks he knows that he can play 0:53:45.920 --> 0:53:48.960 the position. He knows what the position entails. And I 0:53:49.160 --> 0:53:51.360 think one of the things that I watched him a 0:53:51.360 --> 0:53:53.720 lot last year because of some of their skill players 0:53:53.719 --> 0:53:57.799 and Josh dat that was who it was. He's got 0:53:57.840 --> 0:54:01.480 some of that that off platform moxie too, right, Like 0:54:01.520 --> 0:54:04.439 he can move around and throw off platform, he can 0:54:04.440 --> 0:54:06.479 throw a little side arm, he can flick the wrist 0:54:06.560 --> 0:54:08.560 sort of thing. I think he's got a lot of 0:54:08.560 --> 0:54:12.400 the of just throw making ability. Like he's just a quarterback. 0:54:12.800 --> 0:54:15.280 And it's not like we're trying to make an athlete 0:54:15.320 --> 0:54:17.200 into a quarterback. It's not like we're trying to do 0:54:17.239 --> 0:54:19.319 what they try to do with Mac where you're trying 0:54:19.320 --> 0:54:21.960 to take the intangibles and turn that into an NFL quarterback. 0:54:22.280 --> 0:54:24.560 Like you said, this guy's extremely well round. 0:54:24.800 --> 0:54:30.080 So it's you know, everybody wants to point to Mitchell Trubisky. 0:54:30.120 --> 0:54:31.279 He and I was doing that. 0:54:31.320 --> 0:54:32.799 I was doing that a couple of months ago because 0:54:32.800 --> 0:54:35.279 I was not super impressed with him last year as 0:54:35.280 --> 0:54:40.440 a freshman. Yeah, Richard freshman, I like, I think people 0:54:40.480 --> 0:54:42.040 were just talking about projection. 0:54:41.760 --> 0:54:42.520 And not what he was doing. 0:54:42.600 --> 0:54:45.840 And you're seeing that growth now and yeah, he's fucking 0:54:46.480 --> 0:54:47.879 it's it's I can't. 0:54:48.560 --> 0:54:52.440 I know it's Syracuse. I I don't don't, Okay, but 0:54:52.480 --> 0:54:55.040 I'm just saying. But I'm saying that I don't hype 0:54:55.120 --> 0:54:57.920 him up in terms of like actually the end result 0:54:58.000 --> 0:55:00.520 of the play, but like knowing where to go at 0:55:00.520 --> 0:55:04.520 the ball. He's just I think he's got something, all right. 0:55:04.520 --> 0:55:05.719 I don't want to I don't want to spend too 0:55:05.960 --> 0:55:07.560 They're gonna let me just say that they have plenty 0:55:07.560 --> 0:55:09.480 of times they're gonna play Duke in a couple of weeks. 0:55:09.880 --> 0:55:10.399 That Duke. 0:55:10.840 --> 0:55:12.799 And this is to the Rley Leonard people, Oh look, 0:55:12.800 --> 0:55:16.000 he made Duke relevant. That Duke offense is fine to fine, 0:55:16.080 --> 0:55:18.719 That Duke defense might be one of the ten best 0:55:18.719 --> 0:55:19.759 in college football right now. 0:55:19.760 --> 0:55:20.960 That Duke. This is what you do. 0:55:21.080 --> 0:55:24.279 So for people including you, who want to learn about 0:55:24.280 --> 0:55:25.839 these quarterbacks, here teach me. 0:55:26.040 --> 0:55:26.919 This is what you do. 0:55:27.120 --> 0:55:31.400 You find the games where they're actually fit. Like Washington organ. 0:55:31.239 --> 0:55:34.120 This year talking about quarterbacks in the draft, Drake May 0:55:34.120 --> 0:55:36.279 against Duke is gonna be very all right, let's clear 0:55:36.320 --> 0:55:38.120 the phone lines and then let's talk about the actual 0:55:38.160 --> 0:55:41.040 Patriots team. All right, Jeff is in Maine. What's up? Jeff? 0:55:42.400 --> 0:55:43.319 Hey, guys, how you doing. 0:55:45.200 --> 0:55:45.600 Uh? 0:55:45.640 --> 0:55:49.480 So you can twist my arm into the Erry Duke. 0:55:49.800 --> 0:55:54.839 I don't mind taking him for the future. Uh, there's 0:55:54.880 --> 0:55:56.920 a part of me that kind of just wants to 0:55:56.960 --> 0:56:00.840 let this team die and sea, especially the offfensive line. 0:56:02.880 --> 0:56:04.560 You know, use what you got. I don't think we 0:56:04.600 --> 0:56:07.600 need to trade for any defensive players or anything like that. 0:56:07.640 --> 0:56:10.279 We've got put of his talent coming back. That's my 0:56:10.400 --> 0:56:14.839 take on the roster. And then you guys know, great 0:56:14.920 --> 0:56:16.080 value in the Walmart brand. 0:56:16.640 --> 0:56:18.480 Yes, all right, So. 0:56:18.600 --> 0:56:20.680 I don't remember how we used him, but assuming that 0:56:20.719 --> 0:56:25.920 Bill O'Brien uses Taekwon like great value, will Fuller, what 0:56:25.960 --> 0:56:28.560 would that usage look like based on you know, whatever 0:56:28.680 --> 0:56:32.080 film from Houston you watched to scout what Bill O'Brien 0:56:32.200 --> 0:56:34.480 used to do during the off season. I'll take off 0:56:34.520 --> 0:56:35.279 the here, thanks guys. 0:56:35.320 --> 0:56:38.640 Thanks Jeff. I actually wrote about this in the off season, 0:56:38.640 --> 0:56:40.600 because like, what else are we going to freaking write about? 0:56:41.040 --> 0:56:42.759 So I wrote about this in the off season, and 0:56:42.800 --> 0:56:48.480 I went back and watched Will Fuller and Jamison Williams, 0:56:48.600 --> 0:56:51.160 you know, Jameson Williams at Alabama with Bill O'Brien as 0:56:51.160 --> 0:56:54.960 the offensive coordinator and Will Fuller in Houston with Bill 0:56:55.000 --> 0:56:58.839 O'Brien as the head coach slash offensive guy. I think 0:56:58.880 --> 0:57:02.040 with Will Fuller, what you saw you did see a 0:57:02.080 --> 0:57:04.520 lot of verticals with Will Fuller, right, a lot of 0:57:04.520 --> 0:57:06.800 go balls, a lot of things, you know, just verticals 0:57:06.840 --> 0:57:09.440 down the field. Uh. He used him a lot, though, 0:57:09.560 --> 0:57:11.600 And this is what I'm looking forward to with Taekwon, 0:57:11.680 --> 0:57:13.680 and I think Alex you had mentioned this a little 0:57:13.680 --> 0:57:16.640 bit at the beginning of the show. Uh. He used 0:57:16.680 --> 0:57:19.280 him a lot out of like stack alignments. Right, so 0:57:19.360 --> 0:57:22.800 two receiver stacks. Uh. So you have the point man 0:57:22.840 --> 0:57:25.560 on the line of scrimmage. The idea is is that 0:57:25.560 --> 0:57:27.560 that point man is going to run off the ball 0:57:27.800 --> 0:57:30.600 and he's gonna he's gonna take the contact, right, he's 0:57:30.600 --> 0:57:34.040 gonna get off the line. He's gonna create a little 0:57:34.040 --> 0:57:37.680 bit of pocket of space underneath him for the receiver 0:57:37.800 --> 0:57:40.440 to get off the line, uh, without a jam. Right, 0:57:40.480 --> 0:57:42.440 So get a free release at the line of scrimmage 0:57:42.960 --> 0:57:45.080 and then will Fuller is so fast that he was 0:57:45.120 --> 0:57:48.640 able to then just make make things happen. With Taekwon, 0:57:48.720 --> 0:57:52.800 I I feel a similar way, and why I'm taking 0:57:52.800 --> 0:57:56.920 the cheese per usual on a receiver shocker with Taekwon, 0:57:57.640 --> 0:58:00.919 I feel like that's similar where I think that Bill 0:58:00.960 --> 0:58:03.840 O'Brien is gonna find ways to get him off the 0:58:03.840 --> 0:58:06.600 line of scrimmage, whether it's playing him out of the slot, 0:58:06.640 --> 0:58:08.720 which is what I think that you mentioned earlier, which 0:58:08.760 --> 0:58:11.960 is one way motion him right, like running him into 0:58:12.000 --> 0:58:14.200 the route like they do with Tyreek Hill in Miami, 0:58:14.800 --> 0:58:17.960 or running him out of bunches or stacks where teams 0:58:18.080 --> 0:58:20.280 have to pick him up down the field instead of 0:58:20.360 --> 0:58:23.080 jamming him at the line of scrimmage. I think last year, 0:58:23.120 --> 0:58:25.200 and I'm not trying to go down the road of 0:58:25.240 --> 0:58:28.640 like let's pick on Maddy p but last year they 0:58:28.680 --> 0:58:30.640 played him a lot at the X. They played him 0:58:30.680 --> 0:58:32.840 a lot on the line of scrimmage, and so he 0:58:32.920 --> 0:58:36.440 saw a lot of pressman and at his size, he 0:58:36.680 --> 0:58:38.680 just isn't big enough to get off of the pressman 0:58:38.760 --> 0:58:40.880 coverage at this level. So what you have to do 0:58:40.960 --> 0:58:42.240 is you have to get him off the line of 0:58:42.240 --> 0:58:44.600 scrimmage and I think that that's why I was bullish 0:58:44.600 --> 0:58:46.720 in the spring, and you all made fun of me 0:58:46.720 --> 0:58:48.920 because of the one practice that I saw from Taekwon, 0:58:49.000 --> 0:58:51.360 and I was already like all all in on it. 0:58:52.080 --> 0:58:54.360 The reason why is because I saw like a plan 0:58:54.480 --> 0:58:58.040 being hatched of. He's one hundred and eighty pounds soaking wet, 0:58:58.360 --> 0:59:00.960 so we're not gonna just isolate him against man coverage 0:59:00.960 --> 0:59:03.080 on the outside and expect him to win one on one. 0:59:03.360 --> 0:59:06.280 We're gonna find creative ways to get him open. And 0:59:06.440 --> 0:59:09.440 I think that that's what Bill O'Brien's gonna do. Yeah, 0:59:09.480 --> 0:59:11.440 but you can go back on Patriots dot com if 0:59:11.480 --> 0:59:16.040 you search that I like Fuller Jamison Williams my name 0:59:16.080 --> 0:59:18.200 on Patriots dot com. He should probably be able to 0:59:18.240 --> 0:59:21.200 find that. I remember writing about it. All right. John 0:59:21.320 --> 0:59:24.960 is in Louisiana. What's up, John? Hey? 0:59:24.960 --> 0:59:25.240 What's up? 0:59:25.280 --> 0:59:26.400 Your Yes? 0:59:27.600 --> 0:59:27.880 All right? 0:59:27.920 --> 0:59:30.360 I want I want just talking about it with moving 0:59:30.360 --> 0:59:33.160 on with Mac and draft to drink me. The reason 0:59:33.200 --> 0:59:35.240 why I was thinking about it is you know exactly 0:59:35.240 --> 0:59:37.680 what you have in Mac, so why not just build 0:59:37.720 --> 0:59:39.280 around him. I know he's having a roth here, but 0:59:39.600 --> 0:59:41.400 we know what we got it. I'm just building around 0:59:41.440 --> 0:59:43.400 them like, why why not you go that route? 0:59:43.960 --> 0:59:47.560 Yeah, that's that's a fair take. And thanks for the call, John, 0:59:48.240 --> 0:59:50.520 It's an interesting it's a fair take. And the caller 0:59:50.640 --> 0:59:52.240 before I talked about, well why don't we use to 0:59:52.320 --> 0:59:55.560 pick on a tackle or receiver and continue to build 0:59:55.600 --> 0:59:58.480 with Mac. I think the problem is is that you 0:59:58.600 --> 1:00:00.400 might know what you have with Mac and is that 1:00:00.440 --> 1:00:01.360 he ain't it right? 1:00:01.440 --> 1:00:04.400 So I think it's even beyond that that they had 1:00:04.400 --> 1:00:06.000 their chance to build around Mac. Yeah it was the 1:00:06.040 --> 1:00:08.280 last two years, yea, and they didn't do it. And 1:00:08.520 --> 1:00:11.240 it's a lot harder to build around. So then what 1:00:11.960 --> 1:00:12.680 you build around him? 1:00:12.680 --> 1:00:12.920 This year? 1:00:12.960 --> 1:00:15.200 He's on an expiring contract. Are you going to resign him? 1:00:15.400 --> 1:00:17.320 Are you going to risk losing him? And then you 1:00:17.360 --> 1:00:20.080 know what if the next years again that twenty twenty 1:00:20.120 --> 1:00:21.680 one class we talked about, what if they missed the 1:00:21.720 --> 1:00:23.760 next year? Kenny Pickett was the only first round pick 1:00:23.800 --> 1:00:26.000 in that class. So then you're gonna build this whole 1:00:26.000 --> 1:00:28.840 thing around Kenny Pickett? Yeah, who also probably isn't it. 1:00:30.400 --> 1:00:30.600 Yeah? 1:00:30.640 --> 1:00:34.400 I just the regardless of Mac, the clocks run out. 1:00:34.640 --> 1:00:36.360 The clocks run out to build around him because you're 1:00:36.360 --> 1:00:38.600 losing that rookie contract, you kind of have to reset that. 1:00:38.880 --> 1:00:42.080 I also we talked about and I talked about like 1:00:42.640 --> 1:00:44.320 this was the year that I wanted to find out 1:00:44.360 --> 1:00:50.080 about Mac. And I understand that we can have excuses. 1:00:50.320 --> 1:00:54.480 Offensive line has been horrible, the receivers are also mid 1:00:54.600 --> 1:00:57.160 or limited or whatever you want to call it. And 1:00:57.200 --> 1:00:59.480 Bill O'Brien hasn't come in a way the magic wand 1:00:59.520 --> 1:01:02.200 and fixed off all these issues, right, so you have 1:01:02.280 --> 1:01:05.240 all the excuses. I think dan Orlovsky said New England 1:01:05.320 --> 1:01:07.880 is currently the hardest team in the league to play 1:01:07.960 --> 1:01:11.120 quarterback for probably right, He's probably it's close. Carolina is 1:01:11.120 --> 1:01:15.640 pretty bad too, all right, Yeah, But regardless, it's probably 1:01:15.680 --> 1:01:19.240 pretty close. They're bottom five you play, So the only 1:01:19.240 --> 1:01:20.960 team where it's worse is that the only team that's 1:01:21.000 --> 1:01:22.760 yet to win a game yet, this Carolina. And then 1:01:23.120 --> 1:01:25.680 like I tend to say no to the Giants just 1:01:25.680 --> 1:01:28.480 because I love Dable, but the Giants offensive line is 1:01:28.480 --> 1:01:30.880 a train wreck, So maybe the Giants are up there 1:01:30.920 --> 1:01:33.840 as well. But regardless of all of that, I still 1:01:33.880 --> 1:01:38.120 think that you have seen you can isolate the quarterback 1:01:38.160 --> 1:01:42.280 play enough that you can see where the warts are 1:01:42.320 --> 1:01:45.560 in Mac Jones's game, and I think both of us 1:01:47.520 --> 1:01:50.600 regardless of how like the nature versus nurture argument of 1:01:50.640 --> 1:01:54.440 how we got here with Mac Jones, I'm not sold. 1:01:55.480 --> 1:01:57.720 This is as down on Mac Jones as I've probably 1:01:57.800 --> 1:02:01.960 been since they drafted him. This is in terms of 1:02:01.960 --> 1:02:05.360 my confidence level that you can build around Mac Jones 1:02:05.360 --> 1:02:08.120 and be not just a productive offense, but a winning 1:02:08.120 --> 1:02:11.240 football team with Mac Jones as your quarterback. This is 1:02:11.280 --> 1:02:13.840 probably as down on him as a player as I've been. 1:02:13.880 --> 1:02:16.320 I don't know how you feel about that. I just 1:02:16.400 --> 1:02:19.080 I'm down on the whole situation. It's not even just 1:02:19.160 --> 1:02:19.919 him as a play again. 1:02:20.080 --> 1:02:22.120 I go back to that thing where, even if you 1:02:22.160 --> 1:02:27.600 did want to give him another year one, unless you're 1:02:27.640 --> 1:02:30.840 overhauling the coaching staff on the front office, where's the 1:02:30.880 --> 1:02:33.600 belief that that's what's going to happen. Because last year 1:02:33.600 --> 1:02:35.520 we all sat here and said, you know, yeah, we 1:02:35.560 --> 1:02:37.280 know they haven't really invested on offense before. 1:02:37.320 --> 1:02:38.800 But it's as clear as day this year that they 1:02:38.800 --> 1:02:39.120 have to. 1:02:39.040 --> 1:02:41.400 Do it, and they didn't do it. And even if 1:02:41.400 --> 1:02:42.960 you move on and it's somebody else who is willing 1:02:43.000 --> 1:02:45.720 to commit to it, then what happens then he plays 1:02:45.720 --> 1:02:48.000 the fourth year, are you picking up his option? All right, 1:02:48.040 --> 1:02:50.200 that's two years and then what are you extending him? 1:02:50.240 --> 1:02:50.640 What if not? 1:02:51.200 --> 1:02:56.480 If he's still not good? The window to figure it out, 1:02:56.640 --> 1:02:57.440 we're years. 1:02:57.200 --> 1:03:02.120 One and two. Yeah, and they didn't use those years 1:03:02.160 --> 1:03:04.000 to figure it out. So do you feel like you 1:03:04.440 --> 1:03:07.200 have a definitive like I I in terms of like 1:03:07.320 --> 1:03:10.160 I get I just said we're gonna see the whole 1:03:10.200 --> 1:03:13.160 picture right yeah, but right now this second, do you 1:03:13.160 --> 1:03:17.080 feel like you have enough information to figure that out? No? 1:03:17.120 --> 1:03:17.840 I'm close. 1:03:18.000 --> 1:03:21.120 No, because if, like I, if you're gonna tell me 1:03:21.160 --> 1:03:23.520 that there's gonna be another coaching staff in here next year, 1:03:23.680 --> 1:03:27.200 another GM, then maybe there's an argument for it. 1:03:27.280 --> 1:03:30.880 But short of short. 1:03:30.640 --> 1:03:33.520 Of anything spectacular, I feel like they're just at the 1:03:33.520 --> 1:03:37.440 point where the the timeline for rebuild. And actually talk 1:03:37.520 --> 1:03:40.480 to somebody who works not not even more, but used 1:03:40.520 --> 1:03:42.400 to work in the NFL front office about this. With 1:03:42.480 --> 1:03:46.400 the fifty year option, everything and every team's a little different, 1:03:46.920 --> 1:03:51.000 but generally the timeline for rebuild is there's what you 1:03:51.040 --> 1:03:53.760 call year zero, which is you're bad. You're just bad, 1:03:53.840 --> 1:03:58.160 you're overhauling the roster. That was right exactly, Yep. Then 1:03:59.200 --> 1:04:01.520 you draft the quarter you have year one. The goal 1:04:01.560 --> 1:04:03.320 in year one is to figure out if the quarterback 1:04:03.320 --> 1:04:05.280 you've drafted as an NFL quarterback or not to what 1:04:05.400 --> 1:04:07.440 extent you don't have to know, but like, is this 1:04:07.480 --> 1:04:08.880 the guy We're going to move forward with a lot 1:04:08.880 --> 1:04:11.760 of teams never even get past that. Yeah, but it 1:04:12.120 --> 1:04:15.720 felt like, you know, year two if and this is 1:04:15.760 --> 1:04:18.080 all assuming you check the box from the year before, 1:04:18.560 --> 1:04:21.600 Year two is can you make the playoffs? Can you 1:04:21.680 --> 1:04:24.120 just get in the dance? Can you win enough games? 1:04:24.440 --> 1:04:26.240 Can you beat a couple of good teams while you're 1:04:26.240 --> 1:04:29.600 in there? Year three in your year three is then 1:04:29.640 --> 1:04:31.600 can you be a contender? And you're building this up 1:04:31.640 --> 1:04:34.560 around the quarchampionship window? So year three, I think is 1:04:34.800 --> 1:04:37.880 can you contend? All right, I contend? How I heard it? 1:04:38.040 --> 1:04:40.280 Can you contend for your division? You should be a 1:04:40.280 --> 1:04:43.480 a division contender. You should win a playoff game. Okay, 1:04:43.680 --> 1:04:45.640 year four and five, that's where you win. 1:04:45.560 --> 1:04:48.680 The top championship win. That's championship windows. Maybe instead of 1:04:48.720 --> 1:04:51.080 championship window, I should say contending contending window. 1:04:51.120 --> 1:04:53.560 Yeah, you're you're you're not like a championship favorite, but 1:04:53.560 --> 1:04:56.720 all right, championship contender, yeah, they were ahead of schedule 1:04:56.800 --> 1:04:59.320 with Mac. They were where you should be after year 1:04:59.360 --> 1:05:02.240 two in year one, and then they went backwards. And 1:05:02.320 --> 1:05:06.200 so right now, based on that timeline, this year they 1:05:06.200 --> 1:05:07.840 should be an out. They should be a contender for 1:05:07.880 --> 1:05:10.120 the division and outside contender for the super Bowl. Next 1:05:10.200 --> 1:05:11.520 year they should be a super Bowl contender. 1:05:11.600 --> 1:05:13.080 Yikes. Do you see them getting there? 1:05:13.200 --> 1:05:13.240 No? 1:05:13.440 --> 1:05:15.240 And that's where I'm like, all right, you got to 1:05:15.280 --> 1:05:17.640 reset the process. Got it all right? Kevin is in 1:05:17.680 --> 1:05:19.640 Burlington and they're going to get up to three up, 1:05:19.640 --> 1:05:20.720 three down? What's up? Kevin? 1:05:21.800 --> 1:05:24.720 Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call. I want to 1:05:24.720 --> 1:05:27.480 make the case of I want to make the case 1:05:27.520 --> 1:05:29.920 of Belichick really had a well thought out plan for 1:05:30.000 --> 1:05:33.080 the offense, but it just wasn't able to implement it, 1:05:33.680 --> 1:05:36.040 because I think the offensive problem is really date back 1:05:36.080 --> 1:05:39.360 to when Brady and Josh were still here. If you 1:05:39.400 --> 1:05:41.920 remember in twenty nineteen, they started eight to zero, but 1:05:42.320 --> 1:05:45.480 the offense really wasn't good and it ultimately sank that team. 1:05:45.840 --> 1:05:47.840 And I think it's at that part Belichick wanted to 1:05:47.880 --> 1:05:51.640 transition away from the Irah Pergin system because Brady was 1:05:51.720 --> 1:05:55.360 leaving and Scarnaki was leaving, and I think he wanted 1:05:55.360 --> 1:05:58.560 a more consistent running game, and it was very difficult 1:05:58.640 --> 1:06:01.480 at that time to on board new receivers because I 1:06:01.520 --> 1:06:06.160 think college was more spread RPO and NFL was running 1:06:06.160 --> 1:06:09.320 a out of Shanahan. So if you remember, in that offseason, 1:06:09.800 --> 1:06:12.800 they brought in Jed Fish as the key coach, and 1:06:12.920 --> 1:06:16.200 Jed was he spent time with Mike Shanahan, he spent 1:06:16.240 --> 1:06:19.920 time with Sean McVay, and that's when they brought in 1:06:20.000 --> 1:06:22.560 Kim Newton. But unfortunately that was also the off season 1:06:22.560 --> 1:06:26.320 of COVID, so I think that was really really impacted, 1:06:26.360 --> 1:06:31.080 you know, any kind of new philosophical install and then 1:06:31.160 --> 1:06:33.800 Jed was hired away from the University of Arizona as 1:06:33.800 --> 1:06:36.280 the head coach before the season even ended. And then 1:06:36.280 --> 1:06:39.320 if you look, you know, last year with Patrica, they 1:06:39.360 --> 1:06:42.800 were still trying to run you know, Shanahan's zones schemes. 1:06:43.320 --> 1:06:46.360 So I think, you know, ultimately it's this failure to 1:06:46.760 --> 1:06:49.400 transition to the new offensive system that's the root cause 1:06:49.400 --> 1:06:52.720 of the offensive problems, and the offenses of like Ellie Wise, 1:06:52.840 --> 1:06:55.880 Josh Daniels, and Bill O'Brien are very difficult to run 1:06:55.920 --> 1:06:59.960 successfully in the modern NFL. I think until this transition happens. 1:07:00.480 --> 1:07:03.120 I'm worried that our office will continue to crush this team, 1:07:03.440 --> 1:07:05.360 regardless of the types of players that they have. 1:07:05.960 --> 1:07:08.560 Thanks thanks for the call, Kevin. Yeah, it made a 1:07:08.560 --> 1:07:11.880 lot of really good points and things that we've touched on. 1:07:12.240 --> 1:07:13.919 You know, we talked a lot about like the twenty 1:07:13.960 --> 1:07:16.200 twenty two draft and how a lot of those players 1:07:16.400 --> 1:07:18.960 were kind of built more for Shanahan offense. You know, 1:07:19.240 --> 1:07:23.600 athletic guard, speed receiver, speedback, right like, those are some 1:07:23.680 --> 1:07:26.920 of those picks that were made to suit. That my 1:07:27.040 --> 1:07:30.080 whole thing. And it's not to disagree with Kevin necessarily 1:07:30.120 --> 1:07:33.840 because I agree with him that a big part of 1:07:33.880 --> 1:07:38.640 their offensive failures were the systemic changes that they made 1:07:38.640 --> 1:07:40.760 that have not taken hold right that they've tried to 1:07:40.800 --> 1:07:45.280 make and they haven't worked. I've been saying a lot 1:07:45.560 --> 1:07:48.440 this week and in general, but this week especially about 1:07:48.440 --> 1:07:51.160 how annoyed I am that they ditched the full back 1:07:51.720 --> 1:07:54.000 and just don't have a fullback on the roster anymore. 1:07:54.600 --> 1:07:57.360 That to me, I think was a misstep. We talk 1:07:57.400 --> 1:08:00.520 about like all these types of moves. I agree. Now. 1:08:00.720 --> 1:08:02.640 The one point that I would push back a little 1:08:02.680 --> 1:08:07.280 bit on on that being the entire reason. H if 1:08:07.320 --> 1:08:09.240 you had good players, I don't think it would matter. 1:08:09.320 --> 1:08:11.120 Right, And that that to me. If you want to 1:08:11.160 --> 1:08:13.160 install this new offense, fine, go out and get players 1:08:13.160 --> 1:08:15.600 to run it. And it just all comes back to 1:08:15.600 --> 1:08:18.479 that if you ever invested, if you had real talent 1:08:18.560 --> 1:08:22.080 on offense, I don't care if you're running and Erhard 1:08:22.120 --> 1:08:26.519 Perkins West Coast spread RPO. If you have you know, 1:08:26.800 --> 1:08:30.479 Stefan Diggs and the Buffalo Bills offense, you're probably gonna 1:08:30.479 --> 1:08:32.000 be a pretty good offense, right right. 1:08:32.200 --> 1:08:37.880 I So I agree that maybe they miscalculated on a 1:08:37.880 --> 1:08:41.040 lot of on a lot of different elements, be trying 1:08:41.080 --> 1:08:44.679 to be more Shanahan like, and that's why this all 1:08:44.720 --> 1:08:48.440 came apart in a sense. But I still think that 1:08:48.439 --> 1:08:51.360 that's getting even for me getting a little too caught 1:08:51.439 --> 1:08:53.120 up in the x's and o's instead of the jimmy's 1:08:53.120 --> 1:08:55.640 and jokes. Yeah all right, Uh, let's do three up, 1:08:55.680 --> 1:08:57.360 three down, and then we'll take a few more of 1:08:57.400 --> 1:08:58.719 these fun calls before we wrap. 1:08:59.160 --> 1:08:59.280 Uh. 1:09:00.920 --> 1:09:05.200 In classic blowout fashion, Alex, I did two up, five down, 1:09:05.479 --> 1:09:07.439 because you know, you get blown out like that, you 1:09:07.479 --> 1:09:09.840 don't get more than two. That's my rule. So let's 1:09:09.840 --> 1:09:13.519 start with the positives. I'll start here because I kind 1:09:13.520 --> 1:09:16.120 of mentioned him already first out of the game, first 1:09:16.160 --> 1:09:18.280 up in the game, Riley Reef. I thought Riley Reef 1:09:18.360 --> 1:09:19.960 was a lot better in this game than what they 1:09:20.080 --> 1:09:22.640 put out there at guard. A one hurry allowed and 1:09:22.760 --> 1:09:25.080 happened late with Bailey Zappy in the game in the 1:09:25.080 --> 1:09:27.559 fourth quarter. I thought he was really good in his reps, 1:09:28.040 --> 1:09:31.360 run blocking. I think he shows some leverage, some toughness, 1:09:31.720 --> 1:09:34.679 some ability to move guys in the run game. Pass protection, 1:09:34.760 --> 1:09:37.479 he's been way, way, way better than anything they've thrown 1:09:37.479 --> 1:09:40.679 out there in pass protection at guard. Much better moving 1:09:40.720 --> 1:09:45.200 side to side, much better anchor. I'm intrigued. I'm intrigued. 1:09:45.439 --> 1:09:48.640 This is a good player that they could film. I 1:09:48.680 --> 1:09:51.600 should say for Riley Reef, and maybe they have a 1:09:51.600 --> 1:09:54.000 good player. I'll go to Mario Douglas. 1:09:54.400 --> 1:09:57.000 He got open on that one route and he made 1:09:57.040 --> 1:09:59.880 a nice catch and I mean, am I wrong? 1:10:00.320 --> 1:10:02.160 No? And he got hurt, but he got hurt on No, 1:10:02.240 --> 1:10:04.160 maybe he would have done more. That's not his fault. No, 1:10:04.280 --> 1:10:06.080 maybe he would have done more. I don't know, he's enough. 1:10:07.520 --> 1:10:09.000 I feel like two weeks in a row, we had 1:10:09.000 --> 1:10:11.800 what Damario Douglas is enough for one catch that he 1:10:11.880 --> 1:10:12.559 made in the game. 1:10:13.520 --> 1:10:15.479 It's almost like he should be playing more. Well, I 1:10:15.479 --> 1:10:17.080 guess like he couldn't have played more last week. 1:10:17.120 --> 1:10:20.320 But number two up Anthony Jennings. I thought Anthony Jenks 1:10:20.360 --> 1:10:23.320 was good in this game. Four stops in the run, game, 1:10:23.360 --> 1:10:26.599 set a good edge, had a hurry. Nobody had multiple 1:10:26.680 --> 1:10:28.920 hurries in this game because the Patriots had no pass rush. 1:10:29.000 --> 1:10:31.240 So the fact of the matter is is Anthony Jennings 1:10:31.320 --> 1:10:34.360 is one hurry, tied for the team lead. So tied 1:10:34.400 --> 1:10:37.120 for the team lead in hurries. Four stops against the run. 1:10:37.960 --> 1:10:42.000 Is Anthony Jennings a difference to making edge? No? Can 1:10:42.040 --> 1:10:44.000 he set the edge of the defense and play the 1:10:44.080 --> 1:10:47.840 run on first down? Yes? And for right now, that's 1:10:47.840 --> 1:10:50.640 gonna be how they're gonna have to survive without Judon right, 1:10:50.640 --> 1:10:53.040 everybody's gonna have to have a roll, everybody's gonna have 1:10:53.040 --> 1:10:55.840 to be hyper specific to that role, and they're gonna 1:10:55.840 --> 1:10:58.240 have to patch it together. So I have Anthony Jennings. 1:10:58.600 --> 1:11:00.200 I'm doing this for the I think the are we 1:11:00.240 --> 1:11:02.000 can around picking this guy at this point. I'm probably 1:11:02.040 --> 1:11:03.559 just doing it to annoy people more than anything. 1:11:03.560 --> 1:11:03.760 Else. 1:11:04.000 --> 1:11:06.840 Miles Bryant, Oh my god, had that big hit on 1:11:06.920 --> 1:11:10.280 Mike Thomas and he's stepping up making he's like their 1:11:10.320 --> 1:11:12.920 third highest graded run defender right now on PFF. Yeah, 1:11:12.960 --> 1:11:15.320 he's had like I think it's maybe says more about 1:11:15.320 --> 1:11:16.640 the defense than him, but he's been one of their 1:11:16.640 --> 1:11:17.880 best defensive players this year. 1:11:18.160 --> 1:11:22.120 Not bad, not bad. Miles Brian has uh turned in 1:11:22.160 --> 1:11:25.839 to a player that fans poke at all the time. Yeah, 1:11:26.120 --> 1:11:29.759 I'll say this with all sincerity. If you're still picking 1:11:29.760 --> 1:11:32.000 on Miles Brian and saying that Miles Brian is bad, 1:11:32.000 --> 1:11:34.559 you're not watching the games, right, You're not your your 1:11:34.640 --> 1:11:37.800 your priors have brought have blinded you, and you're not 1:11:37.880 --> 1:11:42.639 watching the games this year. Is he prime Stefan Gilmore? Hell? No? 1:11:43.160 --> 1:11:47.400 Is he a serviceable nickelback? Yes? Yeah? All right? Do 1:11:47.439 --> 1:11:51.040 you have any more ups? No? Good? Good? I've you're 1:11:51.040 --> 1:11:54.360 gonna hate what my downs are too. Number one down? Okay? 1:11:54.400 --> 1:11:57.080 Mac Jones, Yeah, Mac Jones, number one down. I wanted 1:11:57.120 --> 1:11:59.200 to save this for three up, three down and talk 1:11:59.240 --> 1:12:02.280 about MCA a little, but here Mac is a down. 1:12:02.960 --> 1:12:05.880 I think what the problem is is with Mac. The 1:12:05.920 --> 1:12:07.599 three biggest things that I see that are wrong with 1:12:07.640 --> 1:12:11.880 Mac right now. Number one, first and foremost is he 1:12:12.040 --> 1:12:15.320 is Sam Darnold seeing ghosts out there. He's seeing ghosts 1:12:15.360 --> 1:12:17.479 even when it's a clean pocket. It's not a clean 1:12:17.520 --> 1:12:20.760 pocket to Mac Jones right now. His footwork's all over 1:12:20.800 --> 1:12:23.760 the place, his eyes are out down on the rush. 1:12:23.800 --> 1:12:28.599 He is feeling pressure that doesn't always exist, and that's 1:12:28.760 --> 1:12:33.400 a big, big, big problem. He had a couple of 1:12:33.439 --> 1:12:37.120 plays in this game where if he had just hung 1:12:37.200 --> 1:12:40.960 in the pocket and stayed with the play instead of 1:12:41.000 --> 1:12:43.439 being sped up and making a quick decision because of 1:12:43.479 --> 1:12:47.160 the of the panic meter with the pressure, he had 1:12:47.200 --> 1:12:50.439 some open reads in this game, but the ball is 1:12:50.439 --> 1:12:53.240 coming out so quickly or not at all because he 1:12:53.280 --> 1:12:57.599 was panicking because of the pressure. So that I don't 1:12:57.640 --> 1:13:01.240 know how you fix that. I And when I say fix, 1:13:02.080 --> 1:13:04.880 I don't know how you fix that. In season he 1:13:05.040 --> 1:13:08.000 might be able to go to the offseason, take a 1:13:08.040 --> 1:13:12.120 step back from football and reset and go six months 1:13:12.200 --> 1:13:15.360 without getting hit, and that might reset him mentally to 1:13:15.400 --> 1:13:17.400 the point where he can come in next season and 1:13:17.439 --> 1:13:21.799 not be sped up and panicked under pressure. But in season, 1:13:21.960 --> 1:13:25.400 I don't know how you necessarily fix that. And the 1:13:25.479 --> 1:13:27.439 other thing. I you know, I mentioned the footwork, I 1:13:27.560 --> 1:13:29.599 mentioned the eyes, you know, going down at the rush, 1:13:29.720 --> 1:13:32.679 not seeing the reds. I just really think that that's 1:13:34.360 --> 1:13:37.760 a broken quarterback. And I'm at the point now with Mac. 1:13:37.920 --> 1:13:39.640 And I don't know how you feel about it, but 1:13:40.040 --> 1:13:42.639 I'm at the point now with Mac that I don't 1:13:42.680 --> 1:13:45.080 know if you can put Humpty Dumpty back together again. 1:13:45.680 --> 1:13:48.800 I think that this is a guy that once you 1:13:48.880 --> 1:13:52.200 start to lose it in that respect, and you start 1:13:52.760 --> 1:13:57.479 feeling pressure that doesn't actually exist, and you start being 1:13:57.560 --> 1:14:00.759 unsettled with your footwork and like throw with your feet 1:14:00.760 --> 1:14:04.400 parallel to the line of scrimmage and not stepping into throws. 1:14:04.800 --> 1:14:08.879 You know, a couple examples, like the Time Montgomery interception. 1:14:10.360 --> 1:14:13.920 You can argue that a good receiver it hit him 1:14:13.960 --> 1:14:18.120 right in, catches that ball and shields the safety and 1:14:18.200 --> 1:14:23.080 makes the catch. The ball is a lollipop. You gotta 1:14:23.120 --> 1:14:25.799 step into the ball and throw it. If he steps 1:14:25.840 --> 1:14:29.080 into the ball and throws it with some velo instead 1:14:29.120 --> 1:14:32.960 of just arking it up there to Time Montgomery, the 1:14:33.000 --> 1:14:35.439 safety is not even a factor. Right, Like if he 1:14:35.479 --> 1:14:39.040 steps and rips it, then Time Montgomery catches it on 1:14:39.200 --> 1:14:41.840 the run and cuts in in front of the face 1:14:41.880 --> 1:14:45.639 of the safety and never gets hit. But the ball 1:14:45.760 --> 1:14:48.040 took too long to get there, and it causes these 1:14:48.080 --> 1:14:51.720 types of interceptions. That's not because he was panicked in 1:14:51.760 --> 1:14:55.040 the pocket necessarily, It's because he doesn't have any confidence 1:14:55.040 --> 1:14:56.960 to step up in the pocket and step into a 1:14:57.000 --> 1:15:01.200 throw and let it rip. Those throws need they need 1:15:01.240 --> 1:15:03.360 to have more mustard on them, They need to have 1:15:03.400 --> 1:15:07.080 more velocity on them. I just I'm not sure how 1:15:07.120 --> 1:15:09.519 you put Mac back together at this point. All right, 1:15:09.520 --> 1:15:13.240 that leads perfectly into my first down. The offense, it 1:15:13.520 --> 1:15:16.080 just Mac was panicked. He was rushing. 1:15:16.120 --> 1:15:18.160 They couldn't get anything blocked, they couldn't run the ball. 1:15:18.240 --> 1:15:22.519 Nobody was getting off open. Is there any part of 1:15:22.560 --> 1:15:24.599 that game you look at. I know you you sort 1:15:24.600 --> 1:15:27.240 of liked what Riley Reef did, but yeah, you know, 1:15:27.280 --> 1:15:30.360 as a whole, the game plan was bad. It was 1:15:30.400 --> 1:15:32.400 all bad. It's a bury the ball game. For the offense, 1:15:32.600 --> 1:15:36.439 they weren't good enough. They just weren't good enough. I 1:15:36.479 --> 1:15:38.639 know people are gonna say that this is me excusing Mac, 1:15:38.760 --> 1:15:42.000 especially because you just said Mac is your first down. 1:15:42.160 --> 1:15:45.240 Yeah it's no, it's it's all of it. It's it's 1:15:45.360 --> 1:15:47.799 it's Mac's bad. The offense is bad, the pass catches 1:15:47.800 --> 1:15:50.120 are bad, the run games bad, and it's they all 1:15:50.160 --> 1:15:53.559 compound when another. Yeah, and it's not the kind of 1:15:53.560 --> 1:15:55.120 game where you can single one person out, I think 1:15:55.120 --> 1:15:56.439 and say, this person had a bad game. 1:15:56.600 --> 1:16:00.960 It was all bad. Their offensive film is itster Yeah, 1:16:01.000 --> 1:16:04.519 it is disgusting to watch. It is an absolute abject disaster, 1:16:04.880 --> 1:16:08.840 to the point where I always watched the Patriots stuff 1:16:08.840 --> 1:16:11.400 to Patriots stuff. Then I turned the page. Now that 1:16:11.520 --> 1:16:13.639 the Raiders played on Monday night, so that threw off 1:16:13.640 --> 1:16:17.160 my schedule a little bit. Yeah, regardless, thank you, thank 1:16:17.200 --> 1:16:20.920 you for feeling bad for me. Regardless, the Raiders and 1:16:21.000 --> 1:16:23.880 the Packers played that Monday night game. What was the 1:16:23.880 --> 1:16:28.559 final score, seventeen to thirteen, seventeen thirteen, something like that. 1:16:28.640 --> 1:16:30.960 So they both because the Raiders haven't scored twenty once 1:16:30.960 --> 1:16:32.920 this year, they neither team scored a lot of points. 1:16:32.920 --> 1:16:37.559 That's the point. Their offensive film is fifty times better 1:16:37.640 --> 1:16:39.439 than what the Patriots put on film. Yeah, they were 1:16:39.439 --> 1:16:41.640 just turned the ball over and they didn't score. But 1:16:41.800 --> 1:16:43.640 the fact of the matter was is that it was 1:16:44.040 --> 1:16:46.840 synced up. It looked like an NFL offense right, Like, 1:16:46.880 --> 1:16:50.559 guys are running routes, bockers were blocking, quarterback was throwing. 1:16:50.800 --> 1:16:53.519 It was all on time. It just they're not very 1:16:53.520 --> 1:16:56.479 good right now, right, So they didn't hit on enough 1:16:56.520 --> 1:16:59.720 plays consistently to put up a lot of points. But 1:17:00.080 --> 1:17:02.760 if you put the Raiders offense that they're going up 1:17:02.800 --> 1:17:06.519 against this week and the Patriots offense side by side, 1:17:06.240 --> 1:17:10.080 the ugliness of the Patriots offensive film compared to the Raiders, 1:17:10.120 --> 1:17:11.800 it would be night and day to you. I mean, 1:17:11.840 --> 1:17:14.920 it is a disaster right now for the Patriots offense. 1:17:14.920 --> 1:17:17.559 So I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you. I had a 1:17:17.560 --> 1:17:23.720 few more specific guys though, Okay, Number two Antonio Mafi. So, 1:17:24.040 --> 1:17:27.960 Antonio Mafi has tools. I'm excited about some of the 1:17:27.960 --> 1:17:30.479 things I've seen from Antonio Mafi. I think he's got 1:17:30.560 --> 1:17:33.920 NFL play strength. I think he's got NFL hand strength. 1:17:33.960 --> 1:17:37.639 I think he's got NFL leverage and balance and ability 1:17:37.680 --> 1:17:39.960 to block and posture and all that kind of stuff. Like, 1:17:39.960 --> 1:17:44.599 I think he's got NFL tools. I put Antonio Mafi 1:17:44.640 --> 1:17:48.960 as a down, but I really mean Adrian Clem. Adrian 1:17:49.040 --> 1:17:51.519 Clem's got to start making his money on this team, 1:17:51.560 --> 1:17:56.760 in this organization. A guy like Antonio Mafi has one 1:17:56.800 --> 1:17:59.879 achilles heel right now. He can't pick up a stunt. 1:18:00.439 --> 1:18:04.280 He can't pass off a stunt. It's not physical, it's 1:18:04.360 --> 1:18:07.840 not foot speed in this game as much as it 1:18:07.880 --> 1:18:11.360 is mental of not seeing it right. He's not seeing 1:18:11.400 --> 1:18:15.479 the stunt coming. He's not mentally processing line movement up front. 1:18:16.000 --> 1:18:18.439 To me, that points more to coaching. This is a 1:18:18.520 --> 1:18:21.840 common problem for Antonio Maffi going back to the summer, 1:18:22.200 --> 1:18:24.720 which means that they've been coaching him up on it 1:18:24.840 --> 1:18:30.000 since the summer and he's not getting better. And at 1:18:30.000 --> 1:18:32.880 some point in time, Adrian Clme's got to start making 1:18:32.880 --> 1:18:35.600 some people better on the offensive line. They have to 1:18:35.640 --> 1:18:40.080 start looking like a five man unit on the offensive line. 1:18:40.080 --> 1:18:42.880 And don't don't give me like they haven't played enough together, 1:18:43.080 --> 1:18:45.479 Like I don't want to hear that these guys have 1:18:45.680 --> 1:18:47.800 like him and Trent Brown have basically been out there 1:18:47.960 --> 1:18:51.680 since since pad practice has started. Okay, Like we're not 1:18:51.760 --> 1:18:54.960 talking about him working next to a guy that hasn't 1:18:54.960 --> 1:18:57.120 played at all, like a cold strange or something like that. 1:18:58.600 --> 1:19:01.240 At some point in time, the line has to have 1:19:01.280 --> 1:19:04.320 an upward trajectory. There needs to be some development for 1:19:04.400 --> 1:19:08.800 the younger players on this line, like for example, City 1:19:08.880 --> 1:19:13.840 So he guard tackle whatever. Yeah, the fact that City 1:19:13.920 --> 1:19:16.840 so cannot even be active on game day when you're 1:19:16.920 --> 1:19:19.360 rolling Vederian Low out there at right tackle as an 1:19:19.400 --> 1:19:22.679 indictment on the coach. Because he's a fourth round pick, 1:19:22.960 --> 1:19:25.839 he has some tools, he's an athletic kid. He tested 1:19:25.880 --> 1:19:29.479 really really well in the combine, so he's got some 1:19:29.640 --> 1:19:32.599 raw ability. And the fact that he's not better than 1:19:32.680 --> 1:19:36.640 Vederian Low to me points to coaching and development. So 1:19:37.360 --> 1:19:40.160 whether you want to put Mafia as a down or 1:19:40.240 --> 1:19:42.600 Clem as a down, it's one and the same to me, 1:19:43.120 --> 1:19:46.680 Antonio Mafi Adrian Clem, that's my second down. Mine is 1:19:47.000 --> 1:19:49.479 the defense. I think you see whe I'm going with this. 1:19:51.840 --> 1:19:53.800 You look at the drives the Saints had early in 1:19:53.840 --> 1:19:56.720 the game, eight plays, sixty two yards, four sixteen, five 1:19:57.640 --> 1:20:00.040 thirty six. It's hot knife through butter and this this 1:20:00.479 --> 1:20:03.120 is a quarterback that had a bad arm, a bad 1:20:03.400 --> 1:20:07.320 throw on the shoulder. Yeah, a team that struggled to 1:20:07.320 --> 1:20:08.920 move the ball the we end. Look, maybe he's healthier, 1:20:08.920 --> 1:20:10.479 but a team that struggled to move the ball the 1:20:10.479 --> 1:20:12.920 week before. Honestly, you look at it, I know people 1:20:12.920 --> 1:20:15.679 think probably could have gotten worse. They were like three 1:20:15.800 --> 1:20:19.240 or four deep balls that either Car didn't throw to 1:20:19.280 --> 1:20:21.280 Olave or he did and Olave. 1:20:21.160 --> 1:20:23.960 Just missed them. There was one touchdown that ol remember, 1:20:23.960 --> 1:20:26.040 he dropped it Brian. 1:20:26.160 --> 1:20:29.400 So as bad as it looked, they got bailed out 1:20:29.439 --> 1:20:34.120 a couple times by the Saints. UH coverage didn't line up, 1:20:34.520 --> 1:20:36.559 pass rush never got home. They weren't able to put 1:20:36.560 --> 1:20:38.160 any pressure on Car, which they had to do to 1:20:38.200 --> 1:20:41.080 win this game. Alvin Kamara is making guys missing the 1:20:41.080 --> 1:20:43.880 open field, that that'll happen, but they just didn't seem 1:20:43.920 --> 1:20:46.679 like they almost seemed caught off guard by the way 1:20:46.720 --> 1:20:48.160 Alvin Kamara was used in this game. 1:20:48.880 --> 1:20:52.640 Defense down. Okay, so I have a position group on 1:20:52.680 --> 1:20:57.080 the defense, in particular the safeties. Yeah, that's fair. If 1:20:57.080 --> 1:21:00.120 I had to pick one, Yeah, that's fair all of them. So, 1:21:00.240 --> 1:21:06.360 Kyle Dugger, where are you? M I a missing an action? 1:21:06.479 --> 1:21:09.280 Kyle Dugger made some plays in the flat right, made 1:21:09.280 --> 1:21:12.240 some tackles like Derek Carr throwing late to the flat 1:21:12.280 --> 1:21:17.200 and Kyle Dugger made some tackles. Cool there. This goes 1:21:17.240 --> 1:21:19.960 back to something that we talked about a few minutes ago. 1:21:20.040 --> 1:21:23.519 With the personnel. They always used to have a plan, 1:21:23.840 --> 1:21:26.840 right like Nate Solder to Matt liked to Nate's older 1:21:26.880 --> 1:21:28.559 I'm just gonna use that because it's an easy one 1:21:28.600 --> 1:21:31.479 to use, Matt liked to Nate's Solder. They always used 1:21:31.479 --> 1:21:35.160 to have a plan. How many years? How many years? 1:21:35.240 --> 1:21:38.160 Is the same thing with tackle? How many years, Alex 1:21:38.200 --> 1:21:42.599 have We talked about free safety's center fielders in the draft, 1:21:42.880 --> 1:21:45.920 saying at some point you are gonna have to take 1:21:45.960 --> 1:21:49.280 Devin McCarty's successor, at some point you're gonna have to 1:21:49.280 --> 1:21:51.680 get somebody in the building. And both of us were 1:21:51.720 --> 1:21:55.799 lockstep that we prefer Devin to actually school this kid right, 1:21:56.000 --> 1:22:01.160 like teach them. And they ignored it. They ignored it, 1:22:01.160 --> 1:22:03.600 they ignored it, they ignored it. And now they're in 1:22:03.640 --> 1:22:09.040 a position where they have box safeties that aren't deep 1:22:09.080 --> 1:22:13.679 middle safeties playing center field in a single, high heavy defense. 1:22:14.720 --> 1:22:21.840 And Jabriel Peppers, Kyle Duggar, Adrian Phillips, those guys, it's 1:22:21.880 --> 1:22:25.479 not their fault. They're playing out a position, all of them. 1:22:25.520 --> 1:22:30.360 So uh Shaheed Rashid Shahied, Yeah, catches that big pass. 1:22:30.880 --> 1:22:34.760 Adrian Phillips is like the buzz defender. He lets him 1:22:34.760 --> 1:22:38.360 go by, he leaves Jabrill Peppers on him on an island. 1:22:38.840 --> 1:22:41.000 Jabrill Peppers can't pick him up because he's not Devin 1:22:41.040 --> 1:22:45.879 mccordy in his prime. Big play Chris o'lave is touchdown. 1:22:46.439 --> 1:22:50.719 Kyle Duggar, where are you going, dude? There's a route 1:22:51.120 --> 1:22:53.799 on the right side line. I think it's Michael Thomas. 1:22:54.200 --> 1:22:56.760 It's like a one on one, like fade back shoulder thing. 1:22:57.360 --> 1:22:59.160 And then there's one route in the middle of the 1:22:59.160 --> 1:23:03.280 field and it's Chris a Lava and Kyle Dugger allows 1:23:03.360 --> 1:23:06.759 Derek Carr to I manipulate him out of the passing window. 1:23:07.000 --> 1:23:10.080 Derek Carr looks right, so Kyle Dugger moves right, and 1:23:10.120 --> 1:23:12.360 then Derek Carr immediately comes back left and hits Chris 1:23:12.400 --> 1:23:15.599 a Lava. There's nobody else in the area for Kyle 1:23:15.640 --> 1:23:18.120 Dugger to go to right like it's a There's no 1:23:18.240 --> 1:23:22.040 route that's threatening his zone for him to worry about. 1:23:23.000 --> 1:23:26.760 Their free safety play is abysmal. It's been terrible, and 1:23:27.240 --> 1:23:29.080 all of it goes back like this is why I 1:23:29.479 --> 1:23:32.320 keep on going back to the head guy. All this 1:23:32.400 --> 1:23:35.400 goes back to the fact that they never addressed a 1:23:35.439 --> 1:23:38.360 successor to Devin mccordy, and now they're in a position 1:23:38.400 --> 1:23:42.400 where they don't have one and they're stuck, and it's 1:23:42.439 --> 1:23:44.679 been ugly at times at free safety. 1:23:45.080 --> 1:23:46.680 It's something we talked about or learning the show. How 1:23:46.720 --> 1:23:48.439 many guys have left. It's not just on offense. How 1:23:48.439 --> 1:23:50.640 many guys have left and just left and there was 1:23:50.720 --> 1:23:53.960 no plan to replace him. You know, whether it's on 1:23:54.080 --> 1:23:57.360 offensive tackle, at running back, at receiver, it's safety, at linebacker. 1:23:58.640 --> 1:24:00.519 We've seen it a lot over the past few years 1:24:00.720 --> 1:24:03.439 in free safety. Certainly that list. I don't know what 1:24:03.479 --> 1:24:07.040 they thought, maybe like Jabrill Peppers could play it or something, 1:24:07.280 --> 1:24:09.000 or Jalen Mills could play it. But he's not even 1:24:09.000 --> 1:24:12.000 playing like he's the most logical free safety. Yeah, roster, 1:24:12.120 --> 1:24:12.719 he's not playing. 1:24:12.800 --> 1:24:15.840 So Jabrill Peppers and Kyle Duggar if you want them 1:24:15.880 --> 1:24:19.240 to play center field and like a like a coverage 1:24:19.320 --> 1:24:22.240 rotation where you're running some sort of exotic and the 1:24:22.640 --> 1:24:26.519 center fielder drops out of center field and the robber 1:24:26.640 --> 1:24:30.559 drops back like it's some sort of rotation post snap. Sure, fine, 1:24:30.920 --> 1:24:34.840 as like a stagnant single high safety like Devin used 1:24:34.840 --> 1:24:37.400 to do. Yeah, can't happen, like you can't have that guy. 1:24:37.840 --> 1:24:40.240 And they had options, like there was options in the draft, 1:24:40.400 --> 1:24:43.000 option in the draft. Mayor Taylor Rapp was here. Yeah, 1:24:43.040 --> 1:24:45.400 another guy you could do it, all right, you got 1:24:45.720 --> 1:24:49.599 you want to guess special team? Yes, yeah, there was. 1:24:49.800 --> 1:24:53.280 This is pretty clear. Uh, this is just good. 1:24:53.439 --> 1:24:55.599 I mean they're not thirty four nothing. You're not wrong 1:24:55.760 --> 1:24:59.160 Chad Ryland. Look, I'm conflicting on Chad Ryland. We'll start 1:24:59.160 --> 1:25:01.720 with Chad Ryland. Seven of his eight kicks had been 1:25:01.720 --> 1:25:03.519 from forty eight or longer. He's fifty percent on all 1:25:03.560 --> 1:25:06.040 his kicks. Yeah, Uh, seven of his eight have been 1:25:06.040 --> 1:25:07.880 from forty eight or longer. There are long kicks, so 1:25:08.080 --> 1:25:10.160 you're not gonna have You're not gonna hit ninety percent 1:25:10.160 --> 1:25:11.040 from forty eight or longer. 1:25:11.080 --> 1:25:11.960 Nobody is justin. 1:25:12.000 --> 1:25:15.920 Tucker doesn't, but you're here to He was drafted because 1:25:15.920 --> 1:25:17.680 he's a big leg. He should be hitting some of 1:25:17.680 --> 1:25:18.280 these and he's not. 1:25:19.840 --> 1:25:20.000 Now. 1:25:20.040 --> 1:25:21.840 The snaps and holds haven't been great at times. There 1:25:21.880 --> 1:25:24.240 was another bad snap this week, this time on a punt. Yeah, 1:25:24.280 --> 1:25:26.160 almost so went out the back of the end zone. 1:25:26.280 --> 1:25:28.200 Bryce bearing it. Look he got it going later in 1:25:28.200 --> 1:25:29.519 the game. He was good later in the game. But 1:25:29.520 --> 1:25:31.559 he shanked his first two punts. Those both led to 1:25:31.560 --> 1:25:33.360 short field for the Saints and boom, just like that, 1:25:33.400 --> 1:25:34.040 you fall in the hole. 1:25:34.160 --> 1:25:35.520 Yeah, so that was concerning. 1:25:35.880 --> 1:25:39.599 And then you had bro Peppers try to like pick 1:25:39.680 --> 1:25:42.160 up a punt that was bouncing and fumbled it and 1:25:42.200 --> 1:25:44.400 didn't end up turning it over, but very much almost did. 1:25:44.680 --> 1:25:46.320 In time, Montgomery ran two kicks out of the en 1:25:46.360 --> 1:25:47.800 zone that he didn't need to run out of the enzone. 1:25:47.920 --> 1:25:50.160 So the whole thing, it just didn't and. 1:25:53.160 --> 1:25:56.400 Right, exactly, well, no, he's at Ryland not run Bear 1:25:56.479 --> 1:25:59.960 during the second half was good. But it's just like 1:26:00.080 --> 1:26:02.960 you're seeing on offense where it just looks like guys 1:26:03.000 --> 1:26:05.599 are trying to do or being asked to do more 1:26:06.040 --> 1:26:08.640 than what's realistic because they're compensating for what's going on 1:26:08.680 --> 1:26:09.160 around them. 1:26:09.640 --> 1:26:11.080 We've talked about a lot on offense. 1:26:11.160 --> 1:26:13.360 It exists a little bit on defense, maybe more now 1:26:13.360 --> 1:26:15.599 with some of the injuries. You're seeing that pop up 1:26:15.640 --> 1:26:16.679 on special teams as well. 1:26:17.560 --> 1:26:22.200 All right, two more quickly, all right, Vaderian low like 1:26:22.800 --> 1:26:25.200 he's just gonna live on the downs list, right, Like 1:26:25.280 --> 1:26:28.559 it's just it's not good enough. It's just not good enough. 1:26:28.920 --> 1:26:31.160 And it's not his faulty as playing. So this kind 1:26:31.160 --> 1:26:33.800 of goes to my next one, but it's not his 1:26:33.920 --> 1:26:37.200 faulty as playing. They should have better options than Vaderian Low. 1:26:37.479 --> 1:26:39.599 Your fourth round pick should be a better option. Leyow 1:26:39.680 --> 1:26:41.519 Collin should be a better option. Like, they should have 1:26:41.560 --> 1:26:44.439 a better option, but they don't. Yeah, and he gave it. 1:26:44.479 --> 1:26:48.080 He's gave up another five pressures in this game. He 1:26:48.160 --> 1:26:53.000 has given up the most pressures in the league amongst tackles. 1:26:53.040 --> 1:26:57.960 Alex and he's only played four games and he's still 1:26:57.960 --> 1:27:00.880 giving up the most. Yeah. Okay, so he is the 1:27:00.920 --> 1:27:07.320 worst right tackle. He's the worst tackle in football, period, 1:27:07.800 --> 1:27:12.200 and he's this Patriots starting right tackle. So this goes 1:27:12.240 --> 1:27:15.760 to the last one. He's on the perpetual down list. 1:27:15.920 --> 1:27:20.400 It seems like for right now, Bill Belichick. Bill Belichick 1:27:20.479 --> 1:27:26.160 on the down list significantly. He's down bad at this point. Yeah, 1:27:26.240 --> 1:27:28.680 there's a lot of issues with this team. Most of 1:27:28.680 --> 1:27:31.120 them are personnel driven. We've talked a lot about all 1:27:31.120 --> 1:27:36.519 of that right tackle, free safety. Some of these spots 1:27:36.520 --> 1:27:38.760 that we're talking about go back to the whole thing 1:27:38.800 --> 1:27:41.760 of what was the plan, what was the succession plan, 1:27:42.120 --> 1:27:45.360 what was the thought process? Those spots. It's now two 1:27:45.439 --> 1:27:47.000 years in a row. And this is why I lumps 1:27:47.040 --> 1:27:49.880 Vederian Lowen with Bill. It's now two years in a row. 1:27:49.920 --> 1:27:52.559 That right tackles the worst position on the Patriots roster. 1:27:53.560 --> 1:27:57.439 Worst position? Yeah, how do we not address this? How 1:27:57.640 --> 1:27:58.639 they didn't address it at all? 1:27:58.760 --> 1:27:58.880 Oh? 1:27:58.960 --> 1:28:01.719 Sorry? Signed? Rather, they signed Riley Reef and Calvin Anderson. 1:28:01.720 --> 1:28:04.120 That was addressing. They signed a career backup in thirty four, 1:28:04.160 --> 1:28:06.360 and they drafted a guard from Eastern Michigan and tried 1:28:06.400 --> 1:28:08.479 to make them into the mystery box again city so 1:28:08.560 --> 1:28:10.280 could be anything. He could even be at tackling. And 1:28:10.479 --> 1:28:13.760 I got this question on Twitter. I think of like, okay, well, 1:28:14.040 --> 1:28:19.080 out of McGlinchey, McGary, Jwan Taylor, Like who who's who 1:28:19.080 --> 1:28:22.040 are those guys at Orlanda Brown? Who those guys have 1:28:22.040 --> 1:28:24.920 actually played well with their new teams. It's not the point, right, 1:28:24.960 --> 1:28:27.280 it's not the point. It's not that's not how it works. 1:28:27.320 --> 1:28:29.599 Like you can't just say, oh, this guy hasn't been good, 1:28:29.640 --> 1:28:32.200 so that why why waste? Like why sign him? Yeah, 1:28:32.240 --> 1:28:34.320 of a, it would have been better than what you 1:28:34.360 --> 1:28:36.040 had and be you don't know what that player would 1:28:36.080 --> 1:28:39.880 look like in your system and in your team Bill 1:28:39.960 --> 1:28:43.439 Belichick's you can There's so many different things you can 1:28:43.439 --> 1:28:45.559 point to. You can point to end game stuff, you 1:28:45.560 --> 1:28:48.640 can point to game plan stuff, you can point to 1:28:48.960 --> 1:28:53.040 personnel decisions. It's down bad all of it. And at 1:28:53.040 --> 1:28:56.679 this point, I'm running out of things, and I can't 1:28:56.720 --> 1:28:59.680 believe I'm saying this about Bill Belichick. I'm running out 1:28:59.680 --> 1:29:03.439 of things to say that he helps this football team with. 1:29:05.080 --> 1:29:07.920 If you can tell me one thing that you really 1:29:08.000 --> 1:29:12.439 think that he is helping them contributing to winning on 1:29:12.520 --> 1:29:14.360 this football team, I'm all years. 1:29:14.640 --> 1:29:17.559 Miguel Ben's in very well time tweet right now. How 1:29:17.600 --> 1:29:19.880 many right tackles do you think Matt starting right tackles 1:29:19.920 --> 1:29:21.679 you think Mac Jones is played with with his time 1:29:21.680 --> 1:29:22.760 in the Patriots? 1:29:23.280 --> 1:29:28.160 Oh god, ten? Yes, actually, yeah, nailed it? You want to? Yes? 1:29:29.760 --> 1:29:33.800 Oh boy? Isaiah Win, yep, that's one, Godneka just yep. 1:29:33.880 --> 1:29:40.880 Marcus Cannon, Calvin Anderson, Vederian Lowe, Oh man, I don't know. 1:29:42.120 --> 1:29:47.400 Trent Brown, yep, you got one more from last year, 1:29:47.400 --> 1:29:52.000 and then it's all twenty one guys. Oh god, who's 1:29:52.000 --> 1:29:53.639 the one from last year? It's like on the tip 1:29:53.680 --> 1:29:58.439 of my tongue. It's killing me. Who is it? Connor McDermott. Ah, yeah, 1:29:58.720 --> 1:29:59.680 I knew, I knew who it was. 1:29:59.640 --> 1:30:02.960 All right, the rest justin Hran Yanni could just and 1:30:03.000 --> 1:30:05.120 Mike and Win. I said, y oh did you who 1:30:05.120 --> 1:30:05.559 did I miss? 1:30:05.560 --> 1:30:06.040 Trent Brown? 1:30:06.040 --> 1:30:06.160 Oh? 1:30:06.160 --> 1:30:10.400 You see your drant? Yes? Oh god, god, what a list. 1:30:10.439 --> 1:30:12.720 It's in three years, less than three years, really to 1:30:12.880 --> 1:30:14.800 and change a two and a quarter? 1:30:15.439 --> 1:30:18.479 Oh god, all right, that's a new right tackle every 1:30:18.760 --> 1:30:19.679 three games. 1:30:19.760 --> 1:30:22.240 Yeah, all right, Who's who's your last down? 1:30:22.920 --> 1:30:23.000 No? 1:30:23.120 --> 1:30:24.519 That was it? You only have? Yeah? 1:30:24.560 --> 1:30:27.080 Oh yeah, you have three offense defense Qecially coaching. I 1:30:27.080 --> 1:30:28.800 feel like I kind of wrapped it in with all 1:30:28.840 --> 1:30:29.080 of it. 1:30:30.040 --> 1:30:32.559 How do you like? Genuine question? Because I you know, 1:30:32.600 --> 1:30:37.040 this is what we do. Yeah, And what's up? 1:30:37.200 --> 1:30:37.320 Like? 1:30:37.360 --> 1:30:39.479 What do you think is wrong with Chad Ryland? Like 1:30:39.520 --> 1:30:41.840 do you think it's just simply that he's been asked 1:30:41.880 --> 1:30:44.080 to kick a lot of forty eight plus the arders 1:30:44.120 --> 1:30:46.559 and I can't say fifty plus anymore? Yeah, No, it's 1:30:46.600 --> 1:30:48.280 it's a lot of little things. I think. 1:30:48.520 --> 1:30:50.599 You know, you had the bad snaps, and first of all, 1:30:50.600 --> 1:30:52.160 you had he didn't really get a chance to kick 1:30:52.160 --> 1:30:55.879 in the preseason and it's wild, right, which that helps. 1:30:56.840 --> 1:30:58.960 You had the bad snaps, the bad field in New York, 1:30:59.000 --> 1:31:01.160 and you wonder if it all just kind of compounds, 1:31:01.160 --> 1:31:03.400 and it's like, you know, he kind of didn't have 1:31:03.520 --> 1:31:05.599 he didn't kick really in games for a few months, 1:31:05.640 --> 1:31:08.240 and then his first game action was rough. And now 1:31:08.240 --> 1:31:10.599 maybe he's in his head and he hasn't exactly had 1:31:10.600 --> 1:31:12.519 a lay up to get back going right. It's not 1:31:12.560 --> 1:31:15.040 like he's gotten like a twenty five thirty five year 1:31:15.040 --> 1:31:17.559 old five yard chip shot to sort of just see 1:31:17.560 --> 1:31:20.000 one go through. I don't think he's a bad kicker, 1:31:20.400 --> 1:31:23.160 but it's so mental at that position, and I wonder 1:31:23.160 --> 1:31:24.840 if that stuff's all just starting the layer up. 1:31:24.880 --> 1:31:27.200 Oh God, just add it to another the list of 1:31:27.280 --> 1:31:29.439 things that are not going well for this team. All right, 1:31:29.479 --> 1:31:31.599 let's get back to the phones. Dan is in New York. 1:31:31.640 --> 1:31:32.200 What's up, Dan? 1:31:34.560 --> 1:31:35.840 Hey, guys, can you hear me? 1:31:36.200 --> 1:31:36.400 Yep? 1:31:36.520 --> 1:31:37.720 Yes, yeah. 1:31:37.800 --> 1:31:39.479 So I just wanted to say that I feel like 1:31:39.479 --> 1:31:41.679 this weekend's game is pretty big in the sense that 1:31:42.040 --> 1:31:44.360 if we lose, it's just going to be spiral effect. 1:31:44.400 --> 1:31:46.759 I mean, got Buffalo in Miami after that, and then 1:31:47.720 --> 1:31:50.200 and after the Commanders and Colt is not a gimme, 1:31:50.320 --> 1:31:52.800 So going into the by potentially there's a good chance 1:31:52.800 --> 1:31:54.600 of you or two and eight, one and nine and 1:31:54.600 --> 1:31:57.559 three and seven. So at that point, do you guys 1:31:57.600 --> 1:31:59.640 think that we should embrace the full timeway. What's the 1:31:59.640 --> 1:32:01.719 status of the team then, like, are they even until 1:32:01.720 --> 1:32:05.439 we committed or yeah, very hypothetical. I think it's a 1:32:05.439 --> 1:32:06.320 good chance happening. 1:32:06.560 --> 1:32:08.519 Yeah, yes, if they're like one to nine one. Thanks 1:32:08.520 --> 1:32:11.400 for the call, Dan, so h embracing the tank, I 1:32:11.400 --> 1:32:13.479 don't really know. You know, we've talked about this in 1:32:13.560 --> 1:32:15.800 terms of like tanking comes from the top down. 1:32:16.040 --> 1:32:17.880 It's it's a goofy thing you can do as fans, 1:32:17.880 --> 1:32:20.120 but the team will never Guys on the team aren't 1:32:20.120 --> 1:32:23.120 gonna I'd say they're not gonna quit. But like, guys 1:32:23.120 --> 1:32:25.519 are still playing for future jobs, future contracts, Guys are 1:32:25.560 --> 1:32:26.559 coaching for future jobs. 1:32:26.680 --> 1:32:29.240 So I think that the biggest thing. And you know, 1:32:29.320 --> 1:32:32.000 I don't usually get into this to the to the 1:32:32.000 --> 1:32:36.040 psyche too much, but in this in these moments, you 1:32:36.120 --> 1:32:38.160 kind of have to. Yeah, and I think the biggest 1:32:38.160 --> 1:32:40.600 thing that I'm interested in when we go to to 1:32:40.680 --> 1:32:44.040 Vegas this weekend, back to Vegas again, you get to 1:32:44.040 --> 1:32:51.800 go to luxow see the beam? God, Uh buy in? 1:32:52.120 --> 1:32:56.719 Like want to will who's pulling on the rope? Because 1:32:57.720 --> 1:33:01.960 you don't lose seventy three in a two week span 1:33:02.000 --> 1:33:05.320 on talent alone. You don't lose like that on talent alone. Right, 1:33:05.479 --> 1:33:08.280 You lose on that because you're not They're not. Everybody's 1:33:08.520 --> 1:33:12.840 is giving it one hundred and ten percent. So this 1:33:12.960 --> 1:33:16.639 is a really big test in my mind because you're 1:33:16.640 --> 1:33:19.840 going to Vegas, You're going on a six hour flight 1:33:20.160 --> 1:33:23.400 across the country. Uh, you're leaving a day earlier than 1:33:23.439 --> 1:33:28.880 normal because of the long fight. So this is a 1:33:28.880 --> 1:33:30.720 little bit of like a weekend, right, It's a little 1:33:30.720 --> 1:33:33.160 bit of a trip, Like we're not just going for 1:33:33.160 --> 1:33:38.879 for you know, twenty four hours and coming home. Who's 1:33:39.120 --> 1:33:42.280 who wants to play on Sunday? And is there enough 1:33:42.320 --> 1:33:44.479 guys in that locker room right now that want to 1:33:44.520 --> 1:33:46.839 play on Sunday and want to fight for the season 1:33:47.120 --> 1:33:49.200 and want to try to pull out of this where 1:33:49.320 --> 1:33:51.639 they have that kind of effort or do they lay 1:33:51.640 --> 1:33:54.280 another egg? Because if they lay another egg, then I'm 1:33:54.320 --> 1:33:56.160 starting to get with you on the fact that in 1:33:56.280 --> 1:34:00.799 season firing is on the table. If they chose some fight. Uh, 1:34:00.880 --> 1:34:04.720 and they show Gofer did they win? Like, you know, 1:34:04.800 --> 1:34:08.439 I think that that's pos Like, then that's showing you something, right, Yeah, 1:34:08.479 --> 1:34:11.600 But this is to me, before we get to schemes 1:34:11.640 --> 1:34:13.439 and we're gonna do key matchups here in a second, 1:34:13.439 --> 1:34:15.600 before we get to matchups and x's and o's and 1:34:16.120 --> 1:34:20.040 game plans and things like that against the Raiders, the 1:34:20.040 --> 1:34:22.360 biggest thing is is do they even want to freaking 1:34:22.439 --> 1:34:23.439 be there or not? 1:34:23.520 --> 1:34:23.680 Right? 1:34:24.400 --> 1:34:26.240 Yeah, I think that's fair. 1:34:26.240 --> 1:34:27.960 I would just to the second part of that question, 1:34:28.080 --> 1:34:30.040 like what do you look for if it gets to 1:34:30.040 --> 1:34:30.400 that point? 1:34:30.439 --> 1:34:31.960 If it does? Yeah? 1:34:31.600 --> 1:34:33.320 Uh, And we kind of talked about it earlier, like 1:34:33.360 --> 1:34:35.800 how do the kids look the guys who you know 1:34:35.880 --> 1:34:39.080 are gonna be here if they reset it, Kean White, 1:34:39.120 --> 1:34:43.519 Marte Maphu, Taekwon, Thornton, Tomorrio, Douglas Kashawan, Boody, the rookie lineman. Uh, 1:34:43.640 --> 1:34:45.600 maybe Andrew Steuber gets some run like these are the 1:34:45.640 --> 1:34:48.400 Collie Cunningham. These you're just kind of looking to see, 1:34:48.400 --> 1:34:49.720 all right, are any of these guys part of the 1:34:49.720 --> 1:34:53.519 plan moving forward? Or like can any of them help 1:34:53.560 --> 1:34:54.720 you build this thing back up? 1:34:54.840 --> 1:34:56.920 Or where do you really need to go? And address. Yeah, 1:34:56.960 --> 1:34:59.519 all right, Gene is in South Carolina. What's up? Gene? 1:35:01.439 --> 1:35:02.400 Hey you guys hear me up? 1:35:03.120 --> 1:35:07.600 Yep, we're gould Oh. 1:35:07.400 --> 1:35:09.000 Jump speak your phone? 1:35:09.160 --> 1:35:09.600 Do you hear me? 1:35:09.920 --> 1:35:10.120 Yes? 1:35:12.560 --> 1:35:15.559 So, just I know, I'm just a fan, but it's 1:35:15.560 --> 1:35:17.720 just an idea for you guys. I was curious what 1:35:17.760 --> 1:35:20.519 you guys thought. So I know they talk about people 1:35:20.600 --> 1:35:26.000 not having or the players not having any uh any 1:35:26.000 --> 1:35:31.160 confidence in Mac, So why couldn't we You know, DeVante Parker, 1:35:31.360 --> 1:35:33.439 he's missed a couple of Condessa baskets that I think 1:35:33.479 --> 1:35:36.080 he could have caught, and he just I just didn't 1:35:36.120 --> 1:35:39.639 think he like tried like he was better last year 1:35:39.760 --> 1:35:43.360 and then juju, I mean, obviously just missed communication. We 1:35:43.400 --> 1:35:45.040 can go on. I listen to you guys talk about 1:35:45.040 --> 1:35:47.760 it all the time. The tight ends work with work 1:35:47.800 --> 1:35:51.120 with him. Why not just bring cunning him up and 1:35:51.240 --> 1:35:54.040 use Booty and you just Douglas when he's not hurt 1:35:54.760 --> 1:35:57.679 and and just go with these younger receivers and try 1:35:57.680 --> 1:35:59.519 to build something on that. But Mac, he's like Mac 1:35:59.560 --> 1:36:01.240 has a better relationship with the younger. 1:36:01.040 --> 1:36:05.920 Receivers anyway, Okay, yeah, thanks for the college. Interesting. I 1:36:06.000 --> 1:36:09.559 don't know about the younger receivers versus older receivers thing. 1:36:11.320 --> 1:36:14.240 I will tell you this. If your idea of bringing 1:36:14.280 --> 1:36:17.840 Malik Cunningham up is to put in a Taysom Hill 1:36:17.920 --> 1:36:20.439 package and just give you that option on offense to 1:36:20.479 --> 1:36:23.400 maybe run him a little bit like that, fine, I 1:36:23.439 --> 1:36:28.200 have no interest in MALIEK Cunningham playing receiver in the game. None. 1:36:28.640 --> 1:36:31.800 If you want him to play wildcat quarterback and add 1:36:31.840 --> 1:36:34.640 that element, because you can't move the ball anyway, so 1:36:34.680 --> 1:36:37.040 you might as well try it, I can hear that. 1:36:37.160 --> 1:36:39.160 But if you're asking me to play Milie Cuttingham at 1:36:39.160 --> 1:36:42.640 wide receiver, I'm out. That's where I'm at. Right, Do 1:36:42.680 --> 1:36:43.360 you disagree? 1:36:44.840 --> 1:36:48.559 Yeah, I'm not opposed to the idea, like long term 1:36:48.560 --> 1:36:50.320 of him being a wide receiver, but I just from 1:36:50.360 --> 1:36:51.800 what we saw in the summer, he's not close enough 1:36:51.840 --> 1:36:53.400 he had to play that position in the NFL game. 1:36:53.479 --> 1:36:55.639 Not even close. All right, let's get into the Raiders 1:36:55.640 --> 1:36:58.360 a little bit. This Raiders game, I think is in 1:36:58.400 --> 1:37:03.040 a lot of ways like the Saints and that, and 1:37:03.120 --> 1:37:05.120 I feel like this is true almost every week. Not 1:37:05.200 --> 1:37:09.040 to pick on a scap here, but if you were 1:37:09.160 --> 1:37:12.320 to like rank the rosters, Raiders have a better roster. 1:37:12.800 --> 1:37:15.439 They have better They have a better top of the 1:37:15.520 --> 1:37:19.080 roster than the Patriots. The Patriots don't have a Max Crosby. 1:37:19.200 --> 1:37:21.600 Well they do, but he's hurt. The Patriots don't have 1:37:21.640 --> 1:37:24.200 a DeVante Adams, correct they I don't think they have 1:37:24.240 --> 1:37:30.000 a Josh Jacobs, No, sob Myers, and they don't have 1:37:30.080 --> 1:37:34.880 Jacoby Myers, so they don't. The Raiders have better top 1:37:34.960 --> 1:37:39.120 end talent than you do, so in that respect, it 1:37:39.160 --> 1:37:40.880 makes it tough for me to pick the Patriots in 1:37:40.960 --> 1:37:45.120 this game because I think pretty much everything else is equal, 1:37:45.880 --> 1:37:48.960 but they have a few more game changers than you do, 1:37:49.040 --> 1:37:51.400 and that's what's going to tilt the scales to the Raiders. 1:37:51.960 --> 1:37:53.720 With that being said, though I do think that this 1:37:53.880 --> 1:37:56.640 is a winnable game. It comes back to what I 1:37:56.680 --> 1:37:59.720 said earlier about do they want to win? Do they 1:37:59.720 --> 1:38:02.559 even want to be there? That's gonna be a factor 1:38:05.439 --> 1:38:08.040 I think in general with the Raiders, there's there's two 1:38:08.080 --> 1:38:12.280 things that really stand out to me. One, obviously, Max 1:38:12.320 --> 1:38:14.320 Crosby is one of the best players in the league. 1:38:14.960 --> 1:38:20.080 His film is just ridiculous, Like the guy combines the 1:38:20.160 --> 1:38:26.840 relentless motor with skill and block anticipation, and the ability 1:38:26.920 --> 1:38:29.600 to against the run and the pass like he's I 1:38:29.600 --> 1:38:32.040 think that's what makes him so rare is that there's 1:38:32.080 --> 1:38:33.760 a lot of guys that can rush the passer in 1:38:33.800 --> 1:38:36.719 the NFL a lot. There's not a lot of guys 1:38:36.760 --> 1:38:39.000 that can play the run as well as Max Crosby can. 1:38:39.120 --> 1:38:42.519 He does both of them at an elite level. He 1:38:42.600 --> 1:38:46.559 completely ruined the game for the Green Bay Packers on 1:38:46.560 --> 1:38:48.280 Monday Night. I think he did it for Steelers too 1:38:48.320 --> 1:38:51.400 the other week. Yeah, completely took the game over. So 1:38:52.120 --> 1:38:55.760 he can do that against his patriotsy, he certainly can 1:38:55.920 --> 1:39:00.880 against this offensive line. So that's number one. And number 1:39:00.880 --> 1:39:04.160 two to me is that I think that if you 1:39:04.280 --> 1:39:07.840 get too caught up in all the weapons that the 1:39:07.960 --> 1:39:12.800 Raiders have, you are gonna get overwhelmed by trying to 1:39:12.880 --> 1:39:18.280 solve plug holes defensively. Uh, it's Adams is tough, right, 1:39:18.320 --> 1:39:21.280 Like Adams the best receiver in football, maybe you know 1:39:21.479 --> 1:39:24.360 he's top five. Certainly looks a little compromise to me 1:39:24.439 --> 1:39:26.439 with that shoulder like I didn't think he looked like 1:39:26.520 --> 1:39:31.559 he was as good. And that's where other guys get 1:39:31.560 --> 1:39:34.000 open off of that. So then you have that, and 1:39:34.040 --> 1:39:37.080 then you have the run game, which I've always touted McDaniels. 1:39:37.120 --> 1:39:38.960 I still even though there are numbers and their production 1:39:39.040 --> 1:39:41.080 isn't quite as good as last year in the Run game, 1:39:41.400 --> 1:39:43.160 I still think that they design it really well and 1:39:43.560 --> 1:39:46.519 Josh Jacob is a good runner. So you have the 1:39:46.600 --> 1:39:49.400 run Game and then you also have their their their slots, 1:39:49.479 --> 1:39:53.240 Jacoby Meyers, Hunter, renfro Uh, those guys. So I think 1:39:53.280 --> 1:39:58.280 if you try to play, you know, the game plan 1:39:58.400 --> 1:40:01.320 is we're gonna till coverage to Adams and we're gonna 1:40:01.320 --> 1:40:03.040 do this and we're gonna stop to run with you know, 1:40:03.120 --> 1:40:05.240 seven in the box, and like, I think that you're 1:40:05.240 --> 1:40:08.720 gonna get overwhelmed by trying to plug holes. The one 1:40:08.760 --> 1:40:11.320 thing that you can do. They'll like, you know, to 1:40:11.439 --> 1:40:14.160 use a Star Wars reference, because you know a big 1:40:14.160 --> 1:40:17.519 Star Wars guy the uh the spot and the death 1:40:17.560 --> 1:40:20.120 Star that you can shoot at. Well, that's appropriate because 1:40:20.120 --> 1:40:21.639 as we call it, their stadium is the death Star. 1:40:22.160 --> 1:40:24.680 You maybe Mac canhelp me. What's it called, like the 1:40:24.680 --> 1:40:30.200 thing that that they shoot in ventilats that ventilationship. Yeah, yeah, 1:40:30.560 --> 1:40:34.200 the ventilations shaft of the Raiders death Star is the 1:40:34.280 --> 1:40:40.200 quarterback is Jimmy Jimmy. Jimmy Garoppolo is beatable, right like 1:40:40.240 --> 1:40:42.960 you can you can beat no but Evan. But Evan 1:40:43.040 --> 1:40:46.519 he's a winner. Have you seen his record? So Jimmy, 1:40:47.240 --> 1:40:51.920 uh is? The game plan against Jimmy is very very 1:40:51.920 --> 1:40:55.840 cut and dry, right like he his his splits. Whether 1:40:55.880 --> 1:40:57.280 you want to watch the film or you want to 1:40:57.320 --> 1:41:00.479 look at the numbers, his his splits tell the story. 1:41:01.280 --> 1:41:05.400 Pressure no pressure in breakers all other rats. If you 1:41:05.400 --> 1:41:07.519 take away the middle of the field and you pressure 1:41:07.560 --> 1:41:12.000 the quarterback, he will self destruct. Yeah, point blank. So 1:41:12.439 --> 1:41:16.679 in my mind, in this game, it's all about throwing 1:41:16.720 --> 1:41:19.760 off Jimmy because if you just let him sit back 1:41:19.760 --> 1:41:21.800 there and he let him throw his digs and his 1:41:21.920 --> 1:41:25.320 slants and his you know, crossing routes and things like that, 1:41:25.720 --> 1:41:28.919 their weapons are going to move the ball. Their weapons 1:41:28.920 --> 1:41:31.559 are good. They're gonna move the ball. If you get 1:41:31.640 --> 1:41:34.880 Jimmy to throw up all over himself, then you have 1:41:34.960 --> 1:41:37.799 a chance. So if I'm the Patriots, I'm game planning Jimmy, 1:41:38.280 --> 1:41:41.640 I'm pressuring the quarterback. I'm this is basically what they 1:41:41.640 --> 1:41:44.559 did last year. Yeah, I'm I'm packing the box in 1:41:44.600 --> 1:41:47.160 the middle of the field, right because that kills two 1:41:47.160 --> 1:41:49.320 birds with one stokeus top the run and I'm gonna 1:41:49.320 --> 1:41:51.280 take away the middle of the field and I'm gonna 1:41:51.280 --> 1:41:54.639 make Jimmy Garoppolo beat me down the field and outside 1:41:54.640 --> 1:41:56.720 the numbers like that. That's where I'm gonna make him 1:41:56.720 --> 1:41:59.280 beat me. And if he does, you tip your cap 1:41:59.600 --> 1:42:02.600 and unfortunately you lost, right But that but that's the 1:42:02.640 --> 1:42:03.799 way that the cookie crumbles. 1:42:04.320 --> 1:42:04.439 Uh. 1:42:04.560 --> 1:42:06.280 That That's where I'm at with this Raiders game. I 1:42:06.280 --> 1:42:08.720 think it's winnable. I'm not picking the Patriots because they 1:42:08.840 --> 1:42:10.640 I picked the Patriots the last two weeks for some 1:42:10.880 --> 1:42:15.439 God only knows what reason, and they embarrass me both times. 1:42:15.479 --> 1:42:17.840 So I'm not taking the Patriots. But if I'm the 1:42:17.840 --> 1:42:24.720 Patriots in this game, I worry about how can I 1:42:23.400 --> 1:42:26.840 I I might not be able to stop DeVante Adams, right, 1:42:26.880 --> 1:42:30.040 like Chrischi Gonzales, I don't have a Durell Reeves Stefan 1:42:30.120 --> 1:42:32.720 Gilmour to go out there and stop DeVante Adams. But 1:42:32.760 --> 1:42:34.719 if the guy who's throwing the ball at Devonte Adams 1:42:34.760 --> 1:42:37.000 can't get him the ball, then I'm in in good shape. 1:42:37.200 --> 1:42:40.680 Yeah, I just I isn't isn't the game playing the 1:42:40.720 --> 1:42:43.800 same against the Patriots. Yeah, right, and and that's where 1:42:43.800 --> 1:42:46.080 all right, So you gotta pressure the quarterback, you got 1:42:46.080 --> 1:42:48.160 to take away the number one receiver, you gotta take 1:42:48.160 --> 1:42:50.800 away the middle of the field. Patriots might be better, 1:42:50.840 --> 1:42:52.840 Quip takeaway the middle of field with their safeties. But 1:42:53.400 --> 1:42:59.120 you're talking about Max Crosby and Marcus Peters versus josh 1:42:59.200 --> 1:43:03.080 U Chay and Chay Jackson essentially Devonte Adams. You mean no, no, no, 1:43:03.120 --> 1:43:07.320 I'm saying the two guys. If both defenses are gonna 1:43:07.320 --> 1:43:09.479 go with the same thing, right, it's who's going to 1:43:09.600 --> 1:43:12.200 execute their assignments at a higher level. Is it Max 1:43:12.240 --> 1:43:15.200 Crosby and Marcus Peters or is it josh Uchay. 1:43:14.880 --> 1:43:15.240 And j C. 1:43:15.400 --> 1:43:18.880 Jackson. Yeah, And if that's the key, j C. Jackson 1:43:18.920 --> 1:43:21.240 Marcus Peters might be kind of close interchangeable. Yeah. 1:43:21.400 --> 1:43:24.760 Yeah, I just think Max Crosby takes this game over. 1:43:24.840 --> 1:43:26.080 I just I just don't see how he doesn't. 1:43:26.160 --> 1:43:29.040 Okay, So I'm with you. I think that's more than fair. 1:43:29.600 --> 1:43:31.720 The other kind of big picture matchup thing before we 1:43:31.760 --> 1:43:35.200 get into the little matchups, big picture matchup thing. This 1:43:35.600 --> 1:43:37.639 it's funny. I think Fred put it the other day 1:43:37.680 --> 1:43:41.000 that normally we talk about like two really good teams, 1:43:41.040 --> 1:43:43.240 and like it's like strength on strength, right, Like it's 1:43:43.240 --> 1:43:46.080 like great offense against great offense. They're great defense against 1:43:46.080 --> 1:43:50.479 great defense. This is a weakness on weakness. Okay, So 1:43:50.640 --> 1:43:53.559 this is basically a big part of this game to me. 1:43:53.600 --> 1:43:56.960 And who might win this game is who stinks less 1:43:57.280 --> 1:44:02.759 in this category in man coverage or the Patriots against 1:44:02.800 --> 1:44:05.519 man coverage. Who doesn't screw the pooch? 1:44:05.760 --> 1:44:05.960 Right? 1:44:06.080 --> 1:44:10.400 Because the Raiders right now dead lass in the league 1:44:10.520 --> 1:44:13.599 in most statistics in man coverage as a defense man 1:44:13.640 --> 1:44:16.560 to man defense. They think they're giving up over in 1:44:16.640 --> 1:44:18.960 nine yards per past attempt in man this season, right, 1:44:19.000 --> 1:44:21.599 by far the most in the league. The Patriots are 1:44:21.640 --> 1:44:24.479 by far the worst man coverage offense in the league. 1:44:24.479 --> 1:44:29.040 They can't win against man coverage. So who makes more 1:44:29.080 --> 1:44:32.679 plays the Raiders defensive backs or the Patriots receivers against 1:44:32.680 --> 1:44:33.200 man coverage. 1:44:33.200 --> 1:44:35.320 Well that kind of goes into mine where I'm curious 1:44:35.600 --> 1:44:39.400 what it looks like without Juju and Tomaro Douglas. Right, 1:44:39.560 --> 1:44:42.719 Juju's a fifty eight percent used to drake guy. Douglas 1:44:42.800 --> 1:44:44.760 is twenty five. But Douglas is like ten percent of 1:44:44.800 --> 1:44:46.880 all their receiving yards this year in just twenty five 1:44:46.880 --> 1:44:50.960 percent of the snaps. Is it Taekwon, is it Kaishaun 1:44:51.040 --> 1:44:54.439 Boody or are you can get more Jalen Rager. Honestly, 1:44:54.479 --> 1:44:56.680 it wouldn't surprise me, and Evans is probably gonna annoy you. 1:44:56.720 --> 1:44:59.640 But I wonder if we just get a ton of twelve. 1:45:00.080 --> 1:45:02.679 We just get a ton of twelve personnel with Kendrick 1:45:02.680 --> 1:45:05.759 Born and Devonte Parker and they're just putting Faroh Brown 1:45:05.800 --> 1:45:08.160 in the game a lot to counter Max Crosby. Yeah, 1:45:08.240 --> 1:45:10.160 instead of having that third receiver on the field with 1:45:10.200 --> 1:45:13.160 guys banged up. I would like to see Kijon Booty. 1:45:13.200 --> 1:45:15.320 I think you probably should see Taekwon Thorn a good amount, 1:45:15.680 --> 1:45:18.040 especially without Douglas, because he gives you that speed element. 1:45:19.160 --> 1:45:20.400 There'll be a little bit of all of that. 1:45:20.520 --> 1:45:22.519 But I would not be surprised if we see a 1:45:22.560 --> 1:45:25.000 ton of twelve in this game, essentially just with the 1:45:25.040 --> 1:45:26.960 six offensive tackle in Pharaoh Brown. 1:45:27.280 --> 1:45:29.160 I like that. I think that that's a big part 1:45:29.200 --> 1:45:32.479 of this game. Like when you talk about one are 1:45:32.479 --> 1:45:37.120 the scheme tweaks that they can make Max protect keep 1:45:37.160 --> 1:45:41.120 everybody in right right, Like just seven guys in the 1:45:41.120 --> 1:45:43.479 protection eight guys in the protection whatever you want to 1:45:43.520 --> 1:45:46.960 call that with the running back. Seven man protect, eight 1:45:47.000 --> 1:45:52.160 man protect, play action, two man route combinations not We 1:45:52.160 --> 1:45:54.559 talked about this a little bit last year. A lot 1:45:54.560 --> 1:45:57.080 of bit I should say, was Zappi right, Like, not 1:45:57.120 --> 1:46:00.200 only does it protect the quarterback, but it also so 1:46:00.240 --> 1:46:03.679 simplifies the read for Mac. He's basically reading one route, 1:46:04.800 --> 1:46:08.599 right so, and really more in reality, is really really 1:46:08.720 --> 1:46:11.160 reading one player and that's the deep safety. But the 1:46:11.200 --> 1:46:13.760 deep safety plays the post. He's throwing the crosser. The 1:46:13.760 --> 1:46:16.960 deep safety jumps the crosser, he's throwing the post. Like 1:46:17.040 --> 1:46:20.440 it's It's really as simple as football gets for a quarterback. 1:46:21.040 --> 1:46:23.800 So I I would really think that they are going 1:46:23.840 --> 1:46:25.439 to do a lot of that this week. Whether it's 1:46:25.720 --> 1:46:27.479 true they haven't. I don't think they've run a single 1:46:27.479 --> 1:46:29.960 snap in true six O line yet. I don't think so, 1:46:30.280 --> 1:46:33.640 whether it's true six to oh line or it's you know, 1:46:34.080 --> 1:46:37.880 twelve personnel and bowl tight end, stay in and block regardless, 1:46:38.320 --> 1:46:40.000 that needs to be a part of this game plan 1:46:40.240 --> 1:46:40.800 moving forward. 1:46:40.840 --> 1:46:42.799 Yeah, I think I just think you have the perfect 1:46:42.800 --> 1:46:44.680 opportunity to do it this week with how banged up 1:46:44.680 --> 1:46:45.280 they are at receiver. 1:46:45.760 --> 1:46:49.840 Yeah, all right, uh, quickly key matchups. We kind of 1:46:49.840 --> 1:46:53.559 mentioned this one already, Uh Varian Lover's Max Cross. Yeah, 1:46:53.560 --> 1:46:55.640 I thought were already doing this. Sorry, that was one 1:46:55.680 --> 1:46:59.200 of mine. Yeah yeah, it kind of is hian. I'm sorry, 1:46:59.200 --> 1:47:03.640 I don't meant to laugh, but Vedarien Low against Max Crosby, Uh, 1:47:03.760 --> 1:47:06.320 this is this is as big of a mismatch as 1:47:06.360 --> 1:47:11.760 Michael Parsons was, Like, this is a gigantic epic mismatch. 1:47:12.439 --> 1:47:12.559 Uh. 1:47:12.800 --> 1:47:15.320 I don't really know what the Patriots do other than 1:47:15.360 --> 1:47:18.120 trying to throw waves of bodies at Max Crosby. Again, 1:47:18.200 --> 1:47:22.280 twelve personnel Pharaoh Brown. Yeah, it's gotta be like Pharaoh 1:47:22.280 --> 1:47:24.880 Brown double teams and if they're passing, then like the 1:47:24.960 --> 1:47:28.479 back like goes over there to the to Crosby side too, 1:47:28.800 --> 1:47:30.479 and like if he gets through the two guys on 1:47:30.520 --> 1:47:32.559 the double team, then he's got to at least run 1:47:32.600 --> 1:47:34.960 over a speed bump on the way to the quarterback, right, 1:47:35.000 --> 1:47:37.640 Like you just have to throw waves and waves and 1:47:37.720 --> 1:47:41.080 waves of bodies at Max Crosby. And uh I mentioned 1:47:41.080 --> 1:47:43.599 this when they played Parsons, Like when you when it's 1:47:43.600 --> 1:47:46.320 your turn to chip them, like like freaking like lay 1:47:46.320 --> 1:47:49.719 into him a little bit, right, like like actually hit him. Uh, 1:47:49.760 --> 1:47:52.160 you gotta make him feel some of that, and you 1:47:52.200 --> 1:47:55.719 gotta maybe even most importantly, like gotta make him start 1:47:55.720 --> 1:47:58.760 looking for it right, like I'm gonna get off the ball. 1:47:58.960 --> 1:48:01.280 Oh wait, is it coming? Is it not? Right? And 1:48:01.320 --> 1:48:04.439 then that kind of that split second of indecisiveness that 1:48:04.439 --> 1:48:07.599 buys you time too. Uh. So you gotta throw away 1:48:07.600 --> 1:48:09.760 as at bodies at him. You can't leave Venderian low 1:48:09.800 --> 1:48:13.360 one on one against him at all, really, right in 1:48:13.439 --> 1:48:15.719 this game? This is a this is a tough one. 1:48:15.840 --> 1:48:18.080 Yeah, that's my top one too. I mean they got 1:48:18.120 --> 1:48:19.720 to figure out away again. I think it's fair with 1:48:19.760 --> 1:48:22.479 Brown probably helps. I think shifting coverage to the right 1:48:22.560 --> 1:48:25.639 probably helps, but or shifting sorry blocking, Yeah, but then 1:48:25.760 --> 1:48:28.840 you need Trent Brown winning one on one. You need 1:48:28.880 --> 1:48:32.360 whoever's at left guard winning on one that creates its 1:48:32.360 --> 1:48:33.479 own issues within itself. 1:48:33.560 --> 1:48:36.599 That's why I probably would expect Riley Reef to play 1:48:36.680 --> 1:48:39.880 left guard, because the left side is probably gonna be 1:48:39.920 --> 1:48:43.760 one on one. Yeah, and so he's probably your best 1:48:43.800 --> 1:48:46.479 bet leaving him one on one at this point, So 1:48:46.479 --> 1:48:48.960 I could see that, all right. Uh, number two here, 1:48:49.000 --> 1:48:52.000 we haven't talked a ton about Jacoby main reason is 1:48:52.200 --> 1:48:54.000 because like I don't want to be taking any victory 1:48:54.080 --> 1:48:55.920 laws because I was dead wrong about this, So I'm 1:48:55.920 --> 1:48:58.320 not gonna like rag on them as like everybody else 1:48:58.400 --> 1:49:01.360 is about Jacoby and like really quickly like not pointing 1:49:01.400 --> 1:49:04.040 fingers at anybody in particular. But if you're like doing 1:49:04.040 --> 1:49:06.080 the Jacoby victory lap, like can we go back to 1:49:06.120 --> 1:49:08.599 your tweets in March and your articles in March, like 1:49:08.640 --> 1:49:11.120 what were you saying about to move back then? Cause 1:49:11.160 --> 1:49:13.439 I'm not going you know, and I'm trying not to, 1:49:14.240 --> 1:49:16.439 Like I'm not I was dead wrong about this too. 1:49:16.960 --> 1:49:19.280 So if you're gonna play revisionist history and now all 1:49:19.280 --> 1:49:21.479 of a sudden fast forward to now and you're gonna 1:49:21.479 --> 1:49:25.400 write your articles of the Patriots really screwed this one up, like, well, 1:49:26.240 --> 1:49:29.519 you know, did you two? You know, like you probably did. 1:49:30.920 --> 1:49:33.360 Jacoby versus John Jones, I think is probably gonna be 1:49:33.439 --> 1:49:36.599 the matchup most of the time. I would expect JC 1:49:36.760 --> 1:49:41.440 to stay on the on the perimeter with with DeVante Adams, 1:49:42.240 --> 1:49:46.000 this one's tough. I think John Jones will be fine 1:49:46.200 --> 1:49:50.360 in coverage on Jacoby. Jacoby obviously is a great route runner, 1:49:50.760 --> 1:49:53.559 good hands. We know Jacoby Uh. The one thing that 1:49:53.600 --> 1:49:56.240 I would be worried about in this game one of 1:49:56.240 --> 1:49:59.880 the odds Josh lets him throw a pass. I think 1:50:00.000 --> 1:50:03.080 it's pretty high. Yeah, it depends on what the score 1:50:03.200 --> 1:50:05.400 is like if it's a close game. I don't know 1:50:05.400 --> 1:50:07.240 if McDaniels McDaniel's trick plays all the time. 1:50:07.560 --> 1:50:09.920 Yeah, No, that's on the table whenever, that's on the 1:50:09.920 --> 1:50:12.519 table whenever. I just it's gonna be just as an 1:50:12.520 --> 1:50:15.320 observer of the game, it's gonna be fun to watch 1:50:15.400 --> 1:50:18.000 Dacobe Myers and Jonathan Jones, two good players, two players 1:50:18.000 --> 1:50:21.360 who know each other very well, going head to head. 1:50:21.720 --> 1:50:24.880 I think that'll be enjoyable to watch. And this is 1:50:24.880 --> 1:50:26.880 a big game for Jakobe. You don't think there's a 1:50:26.880 --> 1:50:29.240 little extra juice for him. 1:50:29.080 --> 1:50:32.439 Your kid, yourself. I am interested to see what he's 1:50:32.479 --> 1:50:35.280 gonna do me as well. It's gonna be interesting match up, 1:50:35.280 --> 1:50:40.040 all right. Last one here, whether it's Colton Miller on 1:50:40.080 --> 1:50:42.320 the left side, Miller will be there at left tackle. 1:50:42.560 --> 1:50:45.800 Their right tackle situation. I think Illuminor has started over 1:50:45.840 --> 1:50:48.240 there most of the time, but he's hurt and Munford's 1:50:48.280 --> 1:50:52.000 the backup. I Either way, whoever's that right tackle because 1:50:52.000 --> 1:50:55.000 Colton Miller is a pretty solid player. You can rush 1:50:55.040 --> 1:50:59.200 on coldon Miller too, but Josh J Josh J has 1:50:59.240 --> 1:51:01.680 gotta get out to the quarterback a little bit. Like 1:51:01.880 --> 1:51:05.439 last week one Hurry really wasn't very impactful in that game. 1:51:05.520 --> 1:51:08.720 Didn't play a ton, but wasn't very impactful. It needs 1:51:08.760 --> 1:51:12.759 to be better than that. Without Judon, they need second 1:51:12.760 --> 1:51:15.200 half of last year josh Uja, Right, like, that's the 1:51:15.760 --> 1:51:17.960 player that they need to see. I know he's been 1:51:17.960 --> 1:51:21.240 banged up and that could be a factor, but if 1:51:21.240 --> 1:51:23.320 he plays a backup right tackle, even if he plays 1:51:23.360 --> 1:51:25.599 a lumin or who I don't really think very highly of, 1:51:26.080 --> 1:51:28.240 he should be able to win that matchup. And if 1:51:28.240 --> 1:51:30.720 they're gonna get any sort of pass rush going, it 1:51:30.720 --> 1:51:34.320 needs to come through josh Uja. Yeah, I'd agree with that. 1:51:34.600 --> 1:51:36.639 It's we've talked about this for a few weeks now 1:51:36.680 --> 1:51:39.200 that with Matthew Judon out, we're gonna see, right, he 1:51:39.200 --> 1:51:42.639 had that great end to the season last year and 1:51:43.080 --> 1:51:45.560 was it hey he finally figured it out, or was 1:51:45.560 --> 1:51:48.840 it just teams were so over compensating for what Judan 1:51:48.920 --> 1:51:50.479 was doing that he kind of got cut loose. Now 1:51:50.479 --> 1:51:51.840 we can see what he does as a number one 1:51:51.840 --> 1:51:52.439 pass rusher. 1:51:52.520 --> 1:51:53.559 Yep, you got anything else? 1:51:53.640 --> 1:51:56.519 Yeah, Bill versus Josh, Bill Belichick, Josh McDaniel's just that 1:51:56.640 --> 1:51:58.880 element of it, and it goes to your thing about 1:51:58.880 --> 1:52:00.960 the trick plays, and you know on both sides are 1:52:00.960 --> 1:52:04.160 gonna have some special in store. I thought, Josh out 1:52:04.160 --> 1:52:06.679 coach Bill last year. Josh's staff out coach Bill's staff 1:52:06.720 --> 1:52:10.160 last year. And yeah, you know, it's a big spot 1:52:10.200 --> 1:52:12.240 for Bill Belichick, Bigger than anybody. I would say, bigger 1:52:12.240 --> 1:52:14.320 than Mac Jones, is a big spot for Bill Belichick. 1:52:14.520 --> 1:52:16.280 We said last week was a big spot coming off 1:52:16.280 --> 1:52:18.479 the worst loss of his career. He did not respond. 1:52:18.800 --> 1:52:20.000 Does he respond this week? 1:52:20.280 --> 1:52:22.920 Yeah, it's a it's an interesting matchup. I actually have 1:52:23.120 --> 1:52:25.160 you know, you know, I love Josh. Yeah, and I've 1:52:25.160 --> 1:52:30.320 actually enjoyed watching the evolution of his offense in Vegas. Uh, 1:52:30.439 --> 1:52:32.360 he got a lot to get a lot watch a 1:52:32.360 --> 1:52:35.200 lot of Vegas because they've played him twice. And you know, 1:52:35.320 --> 1:52:38.240 the thing is with him, we've all I've kind of 1:52:38.240 --> 1:52:42.519 always believed that McDaniels does McDaniels and the players. It's 1:52:42.520 --> 1:52:46.320 on the players to adapt and fit the system. And 1:52:46.360 --> 1:52:49.240 I think that that's been pretty true in Vegas at quarterback, right, 1:52:49.280 --> 1:52:51.120 which I think a big reason why Derek Carr is 1:52:51.120 --> 1:52:51.879 not there anymore. 1:52:52.240 --> 1:52:52.360 Right. 1:52:52.560 --> 1:52:55.679 But in terms of yeah, but in terms of how 1:52:56.000 --> 1:52:58.800 he's used the personnel, I think it has evolved quite 1:52:58.800 --> 1:53:00.559 a bit. Like because he didn't have a Divite Adams 1:53:00.600 --> 1:53:02.880 in New England, right, so to find ways to get 1:53:02.920 --> 1:53:05.759 Devanta Adams open, You're not going to run Devanta Adams 1:53:05.840 --> 1:53:07.880 like he used Julian Edelman, right, Like, that just doesn't 1:53:07.920 --> 1:53:10.920 make any sense. So I think that they have adapted 1:53:11.240 --> 1:53:13.280 quite a bit in terms of how they attack down 1:53:13.320 --> 1:53:15.960 the field. And they're still middle of the field offense. 1:53:16.160 --> 1:53:18.840 There's still a gap run team. There's a little bit 1:53:18.840 --> 1:53:21.559 more Shanahan in there now because of Jimmy I think, 1:53:21.680 --> 1:53:24.639 like a little bit more bootlegs and things like that, 1:53:25.160 --> 1:53:28.840 and like just a little little less full back. Not 1:53:29.560 --> 1:53:33.360 like they haven't ditched it, right, Yaka Johnson's still out there. Yeah, 1:53:33.400 --> 1:53:36.080 seventeen percent last year they were at twenty one percent, 1:53:36.120 --> 1:53:38.880 so it's not a huge difference this year. Yeah, And 1:53:38.920 --> 1:53:41.479 I you know, but against the Packers, that stood out 1:53:41.479 --> 1:53:43.599 to me a little bit was that Yaka Johnson snaps 1:53:43.600 --> 1:53:46.439 were really just like short yardage in red zone when 1:53:46.439 --> 1:53:48.760 they were in between the twenties, they ran a lot 1:53:48.760 --> 1:53:52.640 of twelve and they have they have Mayor obviously a 1:53:52.760 --> 1:53:55.120 tight end, and they have a Hooper too, So they 1:53:55.120 --> 1:53:57.720 have two tight ends that I think are are capable, 1:53:58.200 --> 1:54:00.960 and they they've ran it a little bit differently, not 1:54:01.080 --> 1:54:04.200 a ton differently, but a little bit differently just because 1:54:04.240 --> 1:54:07.240 of the personnel. So he's adjusted. They're trying to get 1:54:07.240 --> 1:54:09.639 the run game going, just like the Patriots. Josh Jacobs 1:54:09.680 --> 1:54:11.960 has not been as good. No, and that's I think 1:54:11.960 --> 1:54:14.320 a big reason why too, whether they've changed some of 1:54:14.360 --> 1:54:16.400 the blocking schemes and some of the things up front. 1:54:16.800 --> 1:54:19.320 But that's the Raiders. I mean the Raiders. This is 1:54:19.320 --> 1:54:23.559 an interesting game. It's the Raiders are the Raiders. The 1:54:23.560 --> 1:54:26.400 Patriots are gonna know them well, they're gonna know Josh well, 1:54:26.439 --> 1:54:30.080 they're gonna know Patrick Graham, the defensive coordinator. Well, this 1:54:30.160 --> 1:54:32.440 comes down to to me, again not to be a 1:54:32.480 --> 1:54:34.520 broken record, but this comes down to effort, Like this 1:54:34.600 --> 1:54:37.000 comes down to want to do the Patriots want to 1:54:37.000 --> 1:54:38.560 play hard? Do they want to be there? Do they 1:54:38.560 --> 1:54:41.120 want to get a win? And the Raiders coming off 1:54:41.160 --> 1:54:43.400 that Packers with you know, they're still in it. I 1:54:43.440 --> 1:54:45.680 think what they're two or three? You know, they're still 1:54:45.680 --> 1:54:49.600 in it. The Patriots maybe not. Yeah, that's a thing. 1:54:49.640 --> 1:54:52.560 That's what we got. All right. On that note, we're 1:54:52.560 --> 1:54:54.960 gonna wrap it up and Alex and I will be 1:54:55.040 --> 1:54:59.520 back next week to preview the Buffalo Bills and the Bills. 1:54:59.520 --> 1:55:03.040 Are the Dolphins Bills? Is it Bills Bills? First? The 1:55:03.080 --> 1:55:07.440 Buffalo Bills. Recap this game against the Raiders. Let's just 1:55:07.520 --> 1:55:11.440 hope the Patriots. Is it fair to say competitive against 1:55:11.480 --> 1:55:13.720 the Bills? Is like a win in this situation. Let's 1:55:13.760 --> 1:55:16.120 see what happens this week. 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