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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Bar and Lazarre. Hello, everybody nailed it?

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Speaker 1: Joined as always buy our bart.

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Speaker 2: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bar throw the ball

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Speaker 2: against the Saints on third and short. Yes, I can't

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Speaker 2: tell if you're making fun of me. Your extual's trying

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Speaker 2: to follow. I have it on a table here. Do

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Speaker 2: you want to see it?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: I just want to keep going. When when is when

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Speaker 1: we need a whiteboard?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: When teams throw the ball against the Saints on third

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Speaker 2: and short, yes, they are converting a first down thirty

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Speaker 2: three percent of the time, it's not good. When they

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Speaker 2: run the ball against the Saints on third and short

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Speaker 2: sixty two.

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Speaker 1: Of the time is good. It's funny because like I

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Speaker 1: not that you don't you know. I'm not trying to

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Speaker 1: say like you don't know any stats, but like usually

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Speaker 1: it's me that's like, you know, bringing the spreadsheet to

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Speaker 1: the podcast. Well, that's a very tangible stat. Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 1: We talked about this earlier. I got I got it

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Speaker 1: as people could imagine. We got a bunch of stuff

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Speaker 1: on our mind. But we were talking earlier about the

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Speaker 1: Herald story that came today Alex with Andrew Callahan and

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Speaker 1: Doug Kyde. You know a lot of information there, some

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Speaker 1: of it that I think we could have probably gleaned

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Speaker 1: on our own, right, Like the Patriots have receivers that

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Speaker 1: don't get open, and an offensive line that doesn't block

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Speaker 1: anybody in a quarterback that's broken, Like I think we

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Speaker 1: all like we all knew that, right. But one of

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Speaker 1: the pieces of information we don't have to get into it,

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Speaker 1: but I knew it would would grind your gears was

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Speaker 1: they mentioned that the Patriots are are not at the forefront.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the way to phrase this, And

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Speaker 1: they said they didn't use analytics. So okay, they said

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Speaker 1: they didn't use analytics.

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Speaker 2: First off, by the way that rant I had last week, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: five third and shorts last week for the Patriots. They

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Speaker 2: threw it four times and they ran that for cocta

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Speaker 2: fake tush push on the other one. So so much

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Speaker 2: for the numbers there on that.

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Speaker 1: That could have been a touchdown if Andre gets the ball. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: you know a lot of things could have been. I'm

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Speaker 1: just saying like in terms of like it was, they.

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Speaker 2: Definitely set it up well, they only ran like thirty

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Speaker 2: Tousch pushes to set it up, which is start the

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Speaker 2: season push.

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Speaker 1: But I here's the thing.

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Speaker 2: I don't think the and by the way they ran

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Speaker 2: it when they were down thirty four nothing so great

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Speaker 2: time to break that out. I don't think the NFL

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Speaker 2: likes the term toush push, So that's why I'm so

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Speaker 2: committed to continue using it. Okay on the Herald story,

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Speaker 2: so you know where I'm at with Like when I

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Speaker 2: say analytics, the math, I'm talking about win probability models,

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Speaker 2: win probability EPA, CPO, anything that has expected in it

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Speaker 2: or theoretical or hypothetical they brought up in that article

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Speaker 2: like next gen stats, which is player right player, a

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Speaker 2: an hour. It's very tangrble. I have no problem with

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Speaker 2: that stuff should be used. That stuff's great. It's when

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Speaker 2: you get into the hypothetical, theoretical expected that you just

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Speaker 2: totally lose me and I think it's nonsense. But the

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Speaker 2: next gen stat stuff they absolutely should be using. Every

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Speaker 2: team should be using it. Yeah, I'm not saying it

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Speaker 2: should be the be all, end all, but it's I mean.

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Speaker 1: It's informations a tool. It's a tool. It's a tool

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Speaker 1: away putting it. So that wasn't at the top of

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Speaker 1: my mind. I have a couple of things that are

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Speaker 1: Like usually I we you know, I try to set

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Speaker 1: when you thought the show was going to start having

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Speaker 1: ordered No, no, no, no, it does, it does. I

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Speaker 1: doesn't have to. It's really okay. No, it has order.

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Speaker 1: Uh, here's the thing. I I don't know where to

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Speaker 1: go with this because if you and I'm telling saying

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Speaker 1: you as in you, the people, you, the listeners. If

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Speaker 1: you guys want to call into the show today and

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Speaker 1: ask us big picture questions, who's the next head coach,

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Speaker 1: We can talk about that. Also, how do they be

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Speaker 1: to take for the number one overall pick. Fine, If

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Speaker 1: you want them to try to piece this thing together

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Speaker 1: to be better on the field this season and this

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Speaker 1: week against the Raiders. Also, fine, we're gonna give you both.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna give you both. But here's here's my my

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Speaker 1: polar opposite. Like, let's talk about next year and in

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Speaker 1: the future, let's talk about this week against the Raiders.

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Speaker 1: It couldn't be more on either side of the of

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Speaker 1: the thing. Jerry Judy. Jerry Judy is apparently, according to

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Speaker 1: I think multiple reports, safe to say at this point,

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Speaker 1: available and likely to be moved before the NFL trade deadline. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so on some levels, I've gotten this this pushback on

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Speaker 1: on on the X machine already. Why would you give

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Speaker 1: up draft capital to help this team? Why would you

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Speaker 1: let Bill Belichick make any more trades? Why would you

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Speaker 1: make a trade that would make this team better and

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Speaker 1: maybe put you in a spot where instead of the

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Speaker 1: second overall picking the draft, you're picking fifteenth again, And like,

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Speaker 1: what's the point in that, right? And my whole thing

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Speaker 1: with all of that is that Jerry Judy is somebody

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Speaker 1: that we've both been clamoring for because of his skill set.

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Speaker 1: He's a good player, good player, good route runner, gets

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Speaker 1: open against man coverage, which this team can't do and

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Speaker 2: Jerry Judy, he is his route running Is that we

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Speaker 2: talk about a carrying trade, right, Yeah, what makes his

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Speaker 2: his carrying trade. He is top fifteen in the league

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Speaker 1: A technician, Yeah, he's a route running technician. He's got

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Speaker 1: my whole thing with Jerry Judy is in all likelihood

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Speaker 1: acquiring Jerry Judy. Well, let me first say this. You're

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Speaker 1: not trading for first round pick for anybody else. You're

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Speaker 1: Jerry Judy. You don't no, like the Chiefs. No, I

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Speaker 1: could see the Chiefs doing it. I don't they if

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Speaker 1: table for Jerry Judy, he wouldn't be a Bronco anymore.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, you get a few weeks, all right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: fair enough. No one's trading a first round pick for

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Speaker 1: the way, if you're the idea of to me of

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Speaker 1: trading for Jerry Judy is a long term play, it's

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Speaker 1: long term. He's twenty four years old. He's twenty four,

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Speaker 1: so you give him a contract extension, you trade a

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Speaker 1: mid round pick for him, third round pick, second round pick,

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Speaker 1: whatever it takes. And whether it's Mac Jones throwing him

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Speaker 1: throwing him the football in twenty twenty four, what difference

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Speaker 1: does it make? What difference does it make? Either way?

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Speaker 1: Jerry Judy is making the quarterback and the offense better, period,

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Speaker 1: full stop. He's making them better. That's all that matters.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's Drake May, Michael Pennix, Mac Jones, Kyler Murray,

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Speaker 1: whoever's throwing him the ball next year, it makes the

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Speaker 1: team better. I would also mention that this drives me

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Speaker 1: drives me up a wall, Alex, because it's we do

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Speaker 1: this all this time on the show, because it's a

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Speaker 1: good bit. Yeah, it's the family Guy Mystery box. Yep.

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Speaker 1: You can have Jerry Judy or you could draft a

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Speaker 1: the infatuation with the draft picks. I'm not saying that

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Speaker 1: a happy medium, and no one's sitting here today saying

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Speaker 2: Jerry Judy and a third for like a second, Yeah

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Speaker 2: you know you're getting You're not.

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Speaker 1: They should not lose any top one hundred picks. I

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Speaker 1: would trade a third for Jerry Judy. Might trade a third.

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Speaker 1: But so here's the thing.

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Speaker 2: If we're going to really blow this up and talk

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Speaker 2: are not getting the first overall pick. That's just not

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Speaker 1: It's not.

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Speaker 2: The Bears hold the trump card right now because they

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Speaker 2: they can get Caleb or whatever. It's not all about

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Speaker 2: like tanking in the NFL. You don't need the second

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Speaker 2: And what I mean by that, or you don't need

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Speaker 1: To move up the board.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's why I like, I'm not as hesitant

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Speaker 2: it's a third round pick, you're turning into a great player.

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Speaker 2: But like, are you gonna if if they want to

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Speaker 1: But that also goes to another point. You can trade

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Speaker 1: from future years.

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Speaker 2: You can trade from future years. But I would add

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Speaker 2: is where you talk about what are they gonna do

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Speaker 1: Now that aren't expiring contracts. Yeah, and if you.

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Speaker 2: Somebody did this a couple of years ago, like they

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Speaker 2: traded for a guy that was on a long term deal,

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Speaker 2: like I mean long term but with Judy multi year deal,

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Speaker 2: and then they traded away another player on expiring contract

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Speaker 2: they essentially it wasn't that they didn't get a better

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Speaker 2: like they extended the window. So if you were to

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Speaker 2: like like we usually do with them from like twenty

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Speaker 1: We're both I think in lockstep that we would offer

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Speaker 1: don't know if the Broncos would do that. Okay, fair enough,

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Speaker 2: Marte Maphu, yeah, uh, Marcus Jones yep. All right, So

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Speaker 2: then I gotta go back to mac Jones draft class.

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Speaker 2: That would be Ronnie Perkins yep.

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Speaker 1: Uh. Twenty twenty. They had two that year, right three?

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Speaker 1: And now we're am I eighteen nineteen nineteen, yeah, nineteen.

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Speaker 2: it's chased one of its right, third round, right when

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Speaker 1: No third round. Oh, they're both third round picks and

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Speaker 1: Yadney could just okay. So to summarize, Marty Mapuh, Marcus Jones,

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Speaker 2: Am I allowed to be worried about it in losing

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Speaker 1: No, you're not. Why. I'll tell you why two reasons. One,

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Speaker 1: Like you can trade from future years. You can trade

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Speaker 1: different ways to cut up that pie. Two, who's the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so no, he's gonna hold onto the third because

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Speaker 1: That's what they're going Like. The bottom line is is

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Speaker 1: that Jerry Judy makes your team better now, he makes

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Speaker 2: Call it one caveat and all that now yes, no, yes,

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Speaker 1: Yes, but that that's where I would I would like

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Speaker 2: If they make that trade and then let him walk,

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Speaker 1: I don't disagree. Okay, Okay, let me put that. Let's

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Speaker 1: it doesn't include Jerry Judy. Right, We're not talking about external,

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Speaker 1: internal moves. So I'm gonna read them off one by

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Speaker 1: Number one starts up front, right, offensive line, start up front.

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Speaker 1: So therefore, I think, and I would even go as

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Speaker 1: From left to right, Trent Brown assuming healthy, Cole Strange,

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Speaker 1: Riley Reef is.

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Speaker 1: You'll be all right.

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Speaker 2: He played a little. I think he's healthy enough to play.

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Speaker 1: Why not I would. I would still put Riley Reef

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Speaker 2: We talk about the best five that you know, maybe

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Speaker 2: something changes it left guard, but more or less, that's

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Speaker 1: Brian Breeze, who's the Saints' first round pick, Breezy whatever,

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Speaker 1: So I, Mafi's so tough, and we're gonna get to

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Speaker 2: Mafi's tough because he was he was Okay, it's currently

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Speaker 1: I mean that's fair, but Mafi was He was good

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Speaker 1: He was terrible against New Orleans. He just he doesn't have.

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Speaker 1: Let the kids play at wide receiver. I play them

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Speaker 1: in general, Taekwon Douglas. Booty should be active. Booty should

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Speaker 1: But I'm not doing it with they're off, because this

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Speaker 1: Right now, DeVante Parker and Juju Smith Schuster have given

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Speaker 2: and he didn't make it and he didn't like make

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Speaker 2: are we doing here?

433
00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,680
Speaker 1: He's one on one all the time and he doesn't win,

434
00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,639
Speaker 1: right because teams are begging Mac Jones to throw the

435
00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,680
Speaker 1: ball outside the numbers. Yeah, and he's so it. Parker's

436
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,159
Speaker 1: one on one all the time, he doesn't win. Juju.

437
00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:18,760
Speaker 1: We know we don't have to like beat a dead

438
00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:22,240
Speaker 1: horse like Juju has been terrible for them all right,

439
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:26,760
Speaker 1: So play the youngins born Born Thornton for this week

440
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:30,240
Speaker 1: Boorn Thornton Booty who's lining up where I would play

441
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,480
Speaker 1: Born at the Z yeah, I'd play Booty as a

442
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 1: third receiver, and I'd played Taekwon at the X.

443
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:41,479
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, probably i'd play Taekwon at the X. In twelve,

444
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,560
Speaker 2: I would almost play when you go to eleven, I'd

445
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,159
Speaker 2: kind of put Taekwon in the slot just to get

446
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 2: him some free releases. Yes, and maybe it's Born at

447
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,159
Speaker 2: the X. Maybe it's Booty. They can kind of just

448
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,919
Speaker 2: go back and forth between. Yeah, I'm not like two

449
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 2: caught up and like where exactly they'll play. I think

450
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 2: Bill O'Brien will figure that piece of it out, but I'm.

451
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,159
Speaker 1: Just I'm just curious. Yeah, because I'm thinking about it

452
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 1: for this week, Like Taekwon's not the savior, right, Like

453
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 1: we know that Taekwon's not the savior, but for starters,

454
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 1: Parker's given his zilch. Parker has given you nothing, And

455
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 1: I think that there's something to be said for the

456
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Speaker 1: fact that Taekwon can at least run through a defense

457
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:18,960
Speaker 1: like it might happen, like he might just run.

458
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 2: I think you're looking for can he be a contributor.

459
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:25,640
Speaker 2: Maybe he's not a coverage dictator, but if he can

460
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Speaker 2: show you enough that he can be your third or

461
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,399
Speaker 2: fourth receiver. Does that help them this year? I don't know,

462
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 2: but we've talked about what next year is going to

463
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 2: look like. Parker and Juju really the only receivers under

464
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 2: contract are they still gonna be here? And then Thornton

465
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 2: and that's it in the rookies, Like Bourn's contract's upright,

466
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 2: So how many receivers do you have to go get

467
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 2: next year? If you know Thornton can at least be

468
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 2: a depth guy. It's not great for the fiftieth overall pick,

469
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,439
Speaker 2: but hey, it's something, yeah, and it's one less guy.

470
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Speaker 1: You have to add it. And even if he can

471
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Speaker 1: also just be I'm not as concerned with Taekwon with

472
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Speaker 1: volume as I am with like actual impact of the

473
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:07,360
Speaker 1: spacing and the ability to threatn the safety, to keep

474
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 1: the safety over the top, and like how it opens

475
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,120
Speaker 1: up the middle of the field maybe a little bit

476
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 1: just by having somebody on the outside that can actually

477
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,119
Speaker 1: run by somebody one on one. It's not like I

478
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,199
Speaker 1: don't expect, because of what we've seen, for Taekwan to

479
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,119
Speaker 1: ever develop into like a high volume producer. But I

480
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 1: also don't need him to do that necessarily. I just

481
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 1: need him to be a threat out on the football field.

482
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Speaker 1: So the offensive line configuration go back to the March

483
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 1: offensive line configuration, play the kids. I also just would

484
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Speaker 1: say quickly about Booty. I saw enough from Booty in

485
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Speaker 1: the summer to think at this point when it comes

486
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 1: to like the quick hitters, the slants, the screens off

487
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 1: our pos, all this stuff that they're trying to feed

488
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 1: to Juju, I just think Booty's in more explosive player

489
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,880
Speaker 1: at this time at this point, so I think he's

490
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 1: that are suited to catch some of those passes if

491
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 1: that's what you're still gonna do.

492
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Speaker 5: Right.

493
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Speaker 1: So those are my two things so far. Number three,

494
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: I think Hunter Henry is your only consistent option, probably

495
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 1: your best option at this point. I think Kendrick Bourne

496
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: is more uh there's more boom to his game, but

497
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:24,400
Speaker 1: there's not as much consistency to him. Okay, Hunt, I

498
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 1: believe that everything in the passing game needs the funnel

499
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Speaker 1: through Hunter Henry. Yeah. Yeah, everything he's there. I mean

500
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 1: he needs to.

501
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 2: I want to say he needs to be in the

502
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,920
Speaker 2: Julian Nevilman role, not like he.

503
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 1: Needs to be the chain mover. He needs to be

504
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,120
Speaker 1: ten to twelve targets a game. Yeah, and he needs

505
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 1: to be the chain mover, Like when it's third down.

506
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 1: You know that first third down of the game last

507
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 1: week against the Saints, the route that Mac threw to

508
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 1: him is really just like clearing it out, Like he's

509
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 1: not even really the first read in the progression. Necessarily

510
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 1: it's a clear out route. He's running through the middle

511
00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 1: of the field to take the linebacker and the safety

512
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 1: out of the window for the crosser to Devonte Parker.

513
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 1: I don't want him clearing out. I want the ball

514
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: going to Hunter Henry, right, So Hunter Henry, I think,

515
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:10,959
Speaker 1: needs to be whatever way you want to call it,

516
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,880
Speaker 1: like the number one reading the progression. The concept needs

517
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,400
Speaker 1: to be set up for Hunter Henry, Like he's got

518
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 1: to be your go to volume guy in this offense

519
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 1: because the receivers. I think Kendrick Bourn's like, like I

520
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 1: just said, a good big play guy, and I don't

521
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 1: mean like he's gonna hit a seventy yard touchdown, but

522
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: you get you catch my drift. Like he's one of

523
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Speaker 1: those types of guys that can make some high, high

524
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 1: impact plays, but not necessarily high volume plays. The volume

525
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: can pass catcher in this offense for you, is Hunter

526
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Speaker 1: Henry so he needs to be the third down chain mover.

527
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Speaker 1: He needs to be the guy that you set up

528
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,439
Speaker 1: to wind man to man like, that's the guy that

529
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Speaker 1: I'm funneling the offense through right now. So that's number three,

530
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Speaker 1: number four, last one here, and this one I cannot

531
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: stress enough is something that I just can't figure out

532
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 1: about this team. Thy Montgomery needs to be the third

533
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 1: down back. Yes, they need Toy Montgomery to be the

534
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,120
Speaker 1: third down back. I don't understand why they don't want

535
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: to do this. I don't understand why he's playing wide receiver.

536
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 1: I don't get any of the usage with thy Montgomery

537
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: to this point. He has shown in last summer, in

538
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 1: the opening week of that season, last year, and this

539
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: summer that he's a decent third down back and I

540
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 1: need to see him in that role. I think that

541
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 1: this offense is starving for the checkdowns, the dump offfs

542
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: into the flats, the one on ones against the linebacker,

543
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 1: and having somebody that can actually get open. And I

544
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,640
Speaker 1: don't think Zeke and Remandre are getting the job done

545
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 1: in that sense. I think that they take too long

546
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: to get into their routes. I think that Mac doesn't

547
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: know if they're on an option. Are they breaking in?

548
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: Are they breaking out? And he's waiting. He's holding the

549
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 1: ball a lot, trying to throw the football to them,

550
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 1: waiting for them to get out of the backfield, waiting

551
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 1: for their route to declare just two much much time,

552
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: take it time. Montgomery's got to be the third down back.

553
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: So those are the four things that I would do. Yeah,

554
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: you know where I'm at with Montgomery.

555
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 2: I agree with you on that he had that bad

556
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 2: drop this week, but that's not you can't be sending

557
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 2: time Montgomery.

558
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 1: Go ball. Yeah I was a crosser, but he's playing

559
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,360
Speaker 1: wide receiver. I might and agains. So I would add

560
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: a couple things to that one. Here we go again.

561
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 1: You want to guess who I'm going with this.

562
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 2: No, just get in ie formation or single back and

563
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 2: just hand the ball off like that. No more fake

564
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 2: push push, no more running out of shotgun, no more

565
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 2: remember like Pop Warner, Remember twenty two dive two back to.

566
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 2: I know that's not how plays are called at this level,

567
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 2: but like, can I get a twenty two dive.

568
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 1: Right?

569
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 2: Something like that? Run the ball like that. That's really

570
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 2: the only thing I'd add they need. They're not going

571
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 2: to be able to win games during the ball forty

572
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 2: times a game. They need some sort of semblance of

573
00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 2: a running game. In the running game the way it's

574
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 2: constructed now, isn't it.

575
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, I agree. I think that in a

576
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: lot of ways, like I kind of put that all

577
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: together with the offensive line take, you know, that it's

578
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: all kind of goes together. I do think that based

579
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: off of, you know, some of the things that you know,

580
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: I've talked to some of the players about this week.

581
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 1: You know, I asked a couple of guys, all right, well,

582
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien said that there's gonna be tweaks. He didn't

583
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 1: say that there's gonna be like wholesale changes, but he

584
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: said that there's gonna be tweaks. And I think some

585
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: of the things that they are gonna try to tweak is,

586
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: you know, less less tosses, less outside zone, like let's

587
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: trying to hit the outside and just letting these guys,

588
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: these big guys like on Wyne Vederian Lowe, Trent Brown,

589
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: like just fire off the ball. If it's Mafi at guard, like,

590
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: just fire off the ball. Right. Like to your point,

591
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: it's not not as much of the side to side,

592
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: not as much as the movement block, but just gap

593
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: and just run ahead, right like that's sort of gonna

594
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: be sort of the goal I think more this week.

595
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: And the Raiders defense, like you should be able to

596
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,719
Speaker 1: run the ball a little bit on that interior D line.

597
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: So I'm with you on that. But those are the

598
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: things that I would try to do. Now, there's no

599
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: quick fixes. They have a personnel issue. They have a

600
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: talent issue on this team. We all know that. So

601
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: it's not gonna fix that's not gonna fix itself overnight.

602
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: But if you start to think about some of the

603
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: things that the team can do to make it better,

604
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: I think that's where you have to start. It's obviously,

605
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: like I said, it's not not gonna be the number

606
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: one scoring offense in the league the rest of the

607
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: way just because you make time Montgomery the third down back.

608
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: We are all aware of that. But in terms of

609
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: what they can do in the on the micro level

610
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: to try to make this at least look like an

611
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: NFL offense, those are some of the places that I

612
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: would start, big picture wise, really quickly before we open

613
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: the phones. I think my like, my one thing with

614
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:48,719
Speaker 1: the big picture on this team, I don't know if

615
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: you agree with this. Alex, I was walking. I think

616
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: we walked out together on Sunday after the game. Yeah,

617
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: and I fully admit I said this yesterday. I think

618
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: on playbook like, I was like, fire everybody, right, ihire everybody.

619
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I do think that we

620
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: need to take a step back and take a deep breath.

621
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Speaker 1: And I think that this is one thing I'm not

622
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: saying like because they're gonna turn the season around and

623
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: make the playoffs. That's not what I'm saying. But I

624
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: think this is one thing that you know, separates an

625
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: owner like mister Kraft with people that cover the team

626
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: like us in fans. Right, is that the knee jerk

627
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: reaction to fire Bill on Monday morning because they lost

628
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: thirty four to nothing, that didn't happen because you got

629
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: to see the forest through the trees, right. You can't

630
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: just react so knee jerk to everything. I would just

631
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: say that at this point we all know. I think

632
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: where I'm leaning. I think I know where you're leaning.

633
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: By won't speak for you in terms of the future

634
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: of the team and the head coach. I am certainly

635
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: leaning towards a full reset, but With that being said,

636
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: I do want to see the entire body of work.

637
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: I do want to see the entire body of work.

638
00:30:55,840 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: I don't think that in season firing is the right

639
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: way to go about this, but I I I'm leaning

640
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: towards that being the end outcome here. Don't get me wrong.

641
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: But let's see what it looks like, you know, in January. Right,

642
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: let's just let's give it a breath and uh, and

643
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: let's see what it looks like. If it still looks

644
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: like a train wreck, then he's gone, like, that's well.

645
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 2: I mean, how many games are you gonna lose by?

646
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 2: If by thirty consecutively? Right, That's kind of what it

647
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 2: comes down to. Can they be better this week? And

648
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 2: then what happens when you get to Buffalo in Miami? No,

649
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 2: it's you got to see the whole picture, definitely, I there.

650
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 2: I don't know that there needs to be like a

651
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 2: rush to make a change. There's maybe a little inherent

652
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 2: value if you wanted to see somebody on your staff

653
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 2: as an interm you of that. But I don't know

654
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 2: that it was so much a gut reaction to that

655
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 2: game as it was the last two weeks. What makes

656
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 2: it tough for me, and I'm I'm the guy that's

657
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 2: the optimist. I'm the guy that's always sitting here. You know,

658
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 2: you make fun of me for being too positive. Sure,

659
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 2: it's it would be one thing if the issues as

660
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,479
Speaker 2: weird as this sounds, if the issues were things we

661
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 2: didn't expect, I would almost feel better. Yeah, Like, let's say,

662
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 2: let's say instead of you know, the offense being bad

663
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 2: and the defense looking pretty good, let's say that they

664
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 2: were losing all these games, like sixty to fifty. I

665
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 2: would almost I'd feel better because I'd be that's really weird,

666
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 2: but hey, we know this defense can do it, and

667
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 2: they'll probably turn it around.

668
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: And look at this do what the offense is doing.

669
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 2: We've been saying since March even, Yeah, the offensive line

670
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 2: is going to do this team in right, and what

671
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 2: has happened. The offensive line has done this team in

672
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 2: So to me, all they've done to this point is

673
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 2: confirmed priors. And that's where I think it's a little

674
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 2: again totally. You want to see the forest for the trees,

675
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 2: but at this point.

676
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: I want to see the full picture.

677
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 2: But maybe we're not looking at the whole forest. But

678
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 2: there's a lot of trees in front of us right now.

679
00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 2: And that's you know, every chance I get. I have said,

680
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 2: this is not an overnight issue, right, Like, this isn't

681
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 2: just about two games, This isn't just about some you know,

682
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 2: a battle, was it now like eleven day stretch or

683
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,479
Speaker 2: something like that. This has been brewing, and this has

684
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 2: been building in the In the personnel side of things particularly,

685
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 2: is is problematic. They they're right now, Uh, they're not

686
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 2: a very good talent evaluating team. They don't evaluate talent

687
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 2: very well. They have really not made a single good

688
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 2: offensive move on this team in like five years. Yeah,

689
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 2: this has been my take. Sorry, this this has been

690
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 2: my take. What was the last good offensive personnel moved

691
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 2: to Patriots made? And I like Matt when we both

692
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 2: liked Zeke, but that was like good for the city.

693
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, the situation is what it is.

694
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: You made the right mo the only good move that

695
00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: they have made in the last five years. And I

696
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: know it had and turned out good, Yeah, but it

697
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: was the drafting Mac was the right move, and so I.

698
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 2: Would argue that they've made one good move since. Yeah,

699
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 2: And it was about forty hours later when they drafted

700
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:11,760
Speaker 2: Ramandra Stevenson.

701
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like like drafting Christian Gonzalez was a

702
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: good pick too.

703
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 2: Offensive, I like offensive the last like you look at

704
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 2: what they've done since, and I don't even know that

705
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 2: Like some of it is is is misidentifying talent, but

706
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 2: some of it's also just the lack of trying. Who

707
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 2: when's the last time they put a and I defined

708
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 2: premium asset as a top fifty pick or in fre

709
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 2: agency making a player five highest paid at their position

710
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 2: in the league. Yeah, when's the last time they put

711
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 2: a premium asset in an tackle position?

712
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, Isaiah Win, They've this isn't It's something that I

713
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: also think that, like we've talked about, but yeah, it

714
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: just to echo your point there, there was there was

715
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: a time in place in Bill Belichick's tenure with the

716
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: Patriots where they always used to be a step ahead

717
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: of these things. Yeah. Uh, you know, I tackle obviously

718
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: the one that we always talk about his Nate soldered

719
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: Matt Light to Nate Solder. Right, they drafted Matt Nate

720
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: Solder a year before Matt Light retired. Nate Solder I

721
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: think he played some right tackle his rookie year and

722
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: some title sixth offensive line tight end thing, but really

723
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: he was a backup. Volmer was at right tackle, Matt

724
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 1: Light was at left tackle. Those guys were in trench starters.

725
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,959
Speaker 1: There are good players for the Patriots, but they still

726
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: drafted Nate Soldier in the first round because they knew

727
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: Matt Light was going to return.

728
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 2: Even even at a less impact position. They went, I

729
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 2: mean it was seamless Kevin Falk to Shane Vereen to

730
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 2: Danny Woodhead to James White, Danny Woodhead and I don't

731
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 2: even know. And James White was an important player for

732
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 2: this offense, and that's an important role for It's it's

733
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 2: not like they tried to draft his replacement or sign

734
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 2: his replacement in Whift.

735
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: What was the plan? Like?

736
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,439
Speaker 2: Was it time Montgomery? I don't think it was because

737
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 2: they'd be playing him there?

738
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: Yes, was it?

739
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 2: Pierre Struck got caught nineteen passes in college. Again, it

740
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 2: goes to that point where they haven't invested at all

741
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 2: at tackle. They made one investment wide receiver. It missed,

742
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 2: but they made what do you think it's gonna look like?

743
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 2: And you look at the guys they've had leave. How

744
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 2: many of these big name players that left. You can't

745
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,760
Speaker 2: find even the attempt the one for one to replace

746
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 2: a lot of them. You can't even find the attempt.

747
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and just I think we harp a lot on

748
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: the drafting, but their pro personnel evaluation on offense has

749
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 1: been terrible.

750
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 2: No, it's the whole thing again. It's like I said,

751
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 2: premium mass set. There's such a thing as a premium

752
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 2: mass set at wide receiver. And people will talk about,

753
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 2: you know one, people will talk about Hunter Henry Well

754
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 2: that was technically before mac, but I would say that

755
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,760
Speaker 2: was a good move. People will bring up DeVante Parker.

756
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 2: He's not I don't think he's in the top twenty

757
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 2: highest paid receivers in football right now. Nelson Aglar was

758
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 2: like the twenty fifth highest paid receiver. When they sign up,

759
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 2: people talked about that, Oh they gave Nelsonnagelor a big contract.

760
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 2: That's not a big contract for wide receiver in today's game.

761
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 2: Juju Smith Schuster is the thirty six.

762
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: Highest paid wide receiver in football. Those are not premium assets.

763
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: They are also just bad evaluations of the player. Like

764
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: the deave Port. I'm trying not to like pile on

765
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,959
Speaker 1: them too much about the Jacobe for Juju thing because

766
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: I was wrong about that too, but I was wrong

767
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: about it. Sitting in this chair in this studio talking

768
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: to you about it, I'm not running the football team

769
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 1: right like right, And I'm not saying that that makes

770
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: me like it's better, but it is kind of better,

771
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: right Like it's you're supposed to know more than me.

772
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: They're supposed to prove us wrong.

773
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're supposed to be here the media, aud mouth

774
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 2: saying what we think, and everybody in the comments, who

775
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 2: are these guys, you know, leading to the professionals, and

776
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 2: then they do the right thing, and everybody rips us

777
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 2: on Twitter?

778
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: Right, that's the natural order. So they had all the

779
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: information I had about probably said. And I'm not exonerating myself.

780
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: I'm just saying they should have been right, and I

781
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: should have been wrong, and they were wrong too. That's

782
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,959
Speaker 1: a problem. John new Smith is having a much better

783
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 1: year in Atlanta. So you could talk about that being

784
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:58,959
Speaker 1: like a usage thing, but I think that that's part

785
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: of GMing right, is knowing how you're gonna use a player.

786
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I always say this, You got to

787
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 2: have whether you're drafting a player, whether you're signing a player,

788
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 2: you need to have outside like maybe like Day three guys,

789
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 2: you're just drafting for potential whatever, But whether you're gonna

790
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 2: draft a player where you're gonna sign a player like

791
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 2: with a premium asset, what is the plan? We talked

792
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 2: about this. A lot of people call in and say,

793
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 2: you know, I like so and so prospect. We did

794
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 2: this with with Quintin Johnston, right, people, And he's been

795
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 2: good in LA. Yeah, he's been fine in LA. There

796
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 2: there are people who called in were like, yeah, we

797
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 2: like Quinn Johnson. We sat in and said, yeah, he's

798
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 2: a good player, but is he gonna play what is

799
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 2: the path to him making them a better team? And

800
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 2: there were other good players with more clear of a path.

801
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 2: It does felt like at times they've added guys just

802
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 2: to add them and the I mean I Johnny Smith,

803
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 2: Nikil Harry, there's some guys on defense as well that it's.

804
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:58,399
Speaker 1: Like Jalen Mills, Juwan Williams, what was the plan there? Yeah?

805
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: Are you just adding the player to Adam? Yeah, yeah,

806
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: I'm with you on that. I just it's all of

807
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 1: it like we I think we harp on the draft

808
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: and this isn't about Like my take earlier by Jerry Judy,

809
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: But I think we harve a lot on the draft

810
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: picks because the drafting has been bad. Outside of a

811
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: few isolated instances, maybe more recently, it's been a little

812
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: bit better than it was in let's say, like sixteen

813
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: to eighteen. But the twenty twenty two draft is not

814
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,240
Speaker 1: better than anything that brings it right. Twenty one was good.

815
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: This year's looks good. Yeah, this year looks okay. I

816
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: mean Christians Alz looks great.

817
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 2: Christians also looks great. They'll hit on one of Mapu

818
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 2: and White. I think the jury's still out, but there's

819
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 2: a night with each one that I think one of

820
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 2: those guys.

821
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 1: I think they might both like technically hit, but are

822
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: either one of them an impact player? And I think

823
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: you've seen flashes from the I don't think. I think

824
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: both of those guys are role players, and the defense

825
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: that knows how to use role players. Like I'm not

826
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: saying that it is like a horrible thing. You just

827
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: read off all the third round picks the last few years.

828
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: If they get role players in those picks and then

829
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: to Mario Douglas might be something. So it's like, you know,

830
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: I do think there's a misconception that a good draft means,

831
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: like all the players are like six of seven, five

832
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: of seven. If fifty percent your players become like solid

833
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: contributors from a DRID, you want it. You always want

834
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 1: to hit on your first You generally have two Day

835
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 1: three picks. You want to hit two of two. You

836
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: want to hit on two of those three, Yeah, and

837
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: then one or two on Day three. Yeah.

838
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 2: If about half your draft class becomes contributing players, you

839
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,439
Speaker 2: had a solid DREFD, you do better beat a solid draft.

840
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 2: I think that they hit on their first round pick.

841
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 2: I feel it's a decent chance one of those two

842
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 2: Day two guys turns into something and then they have

843
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 2: to Mario Douglas and it's like, all right, if one

844
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 2: more of those Day three guys comes along, maybe a

845
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 2: Tonio Maffi's a guy. Yeah, all right, that's just fine.

846
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 2: You're not you know, it's not gonna go up in

847
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame, but that's a fine draft.

848
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: Mafi kills me. And I didn't know when I was

849
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: gonna do this, but I you know, I'm gonna say it.

850
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it for three down. But I think

851
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: the biggest thing is is, uh, you know, it's been

852
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: pro personnel and it's been on a on a college

853
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: scouting level too, and I think sometimes we even don't

854
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,720
Speaker 1: call both things out and I and I really feel

855
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: like it's been on a pro level.

856
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 2: Off.

857
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: All right, let's get to the calls and then we'll

858
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: do three up, three down from this last game against

859
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: the Saints. Brandon is an Oregon Brandon, if you're still there,

860
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,280
Speaker 1: I doubted that one. Cousin, Patty, what's up, cousin Patty?

861
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 6: You know I'm still hanging on.

862
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, Evan.

863
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 6: I don't want this to come off as like in

864
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 6: a jerk, but the idea that I brought up on you,

865
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 6: like I had no idea, Like that's that's why I

866
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 6: asked the question. That's why I had the idea. Like

867
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 6: I didn't know they were still running McDade teams.

868
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: Oh no, No, I just didn't know. You're good.

869
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 6: No, I'm glady cleared up because I'm like, all right, well,

870
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 6: I guess that makes sense. It looks like crap. So

871
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 6: here's my idea.

872
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 3: I will you know, what do you guys.

873
00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 6: Think about this? Love the idea of trading for Jerry

874
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 6: and you know we're gonna have all this frigging money

875
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 6: to spend in the offseason, Go get T Higgins and

876
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 6: draft I don't know how to say his name, Bashanu

877
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 6: or and I mean, just ride it out with Mac

878
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 6: for at least next year. I don't know who's coming

879
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 6: up in twenty twenty five. Do you think that's a

880
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 6: better idea than possibly taking a like another quarterback like

881
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 6: a Drake May. Yeah, I agree. I don't think we're

882
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 6: gonna get Caleb Williams. But then you're you're sort of

883
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,280
Speaker 6: throwing them to the wolves, you know, I mean basically

884
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 6: our whole line minus Cole Strange, and you know, all

885
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 6: the guys that we drafted, all the guards and Jake

886
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 6: Andrews that we drafted are are off the team next year.

887
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good question, Patty, and thanks for the call. Uh,

888
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: it's a good question about what's the best way for it.

889
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: Is it going back in the quarterback Carris in the

890
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: draft and drafting one of the quarterbacks, or is it

891
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: continuing to build the offensive personnel so that either Mac

892
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: works or two years from now, a year from now,

893
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: you get the quarterback and just drop him in and

894
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 1: hit the ground running. They have so many holes on

895
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: offense that it's a fair question to ask if it's

896
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 1: better to just start drafting offensive players that aren't quarterbacks,

897
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: because no quarterback is gonna succeed if you just drop

898
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: him into this mess right now. But my contention to

899
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 1: that is, and this is the one time that I

900
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 1: might agree with you on this, I don't know what

901
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: the quarterback classes in twenty twenty five and beyond are

902
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 1: going to look like. I do know that there's a

903
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: couple of quarterbacks in this class that I really like.

904
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: So if you really like a quarterback in this class

905
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: and you can upgrade that position, I'm of this, of

906
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: the thought that you have to do that. But at

907
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: the same time, I can hear the other side of

908
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: it of drafting, was it Joe alt Right is the

909
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: other the guy he's said, say you're gonna love him,

910
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison Junior. If you're that high up like I

911
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: brought Bowers, I can understand that line of thinking, and

912
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: maybe we get to that point I said earlier of

913
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: wanting to see the whole picture. If Bill O'Brien has

914
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: Mac Jones playing better football in the second half of

915
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 1: the season, and the arrow starts to point back upward,

916
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: for mac I don't think he's ever gonna develop into

917
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: anything like special at the position, but maybe he's a

918
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: better bridge option for the time being as you draft

919
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: your left tackle stud or your receiver stud or whatever. Yeah.

920
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 2: I just the other thing you have to consider here

921
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 2: is the whole value of that rookie quarterback contract. Yeah,

922
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,439
Speaker 2: and the clocks essentially run out on that for mac

923
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 2: Jones next year. You know they have the fifth year option,

924
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 2: but next year's released last year under contract. You have

925
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 2: a chance to reset that thing entirely if you take

926
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 2: a quarterback this year. And if it wasn't such a

927
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 2: strong quarterback class, I might say, you know, Joe al

928
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 2: Fashanu or whatever, but you're gonna have a shot. I think,

929
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 2: get up potentially franchise guy as long as you're picking

930
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 2: in the top fifteen. And I used to be the

931
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 2: one that was like, yeah, if you don't get the

932
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 2: guy memember you really wanted, was it Davis Mills or

933
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,800
Speaker 2: Kellen Mond, I'd like to tell that the mac Jones

934
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 2: here where you were like, oh, just you know, wait

935
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 2: till the second.

936
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: I didn't say that. I said, if you if I

937
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 1: had to take any of the day two guys like

938
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:19,879
Speaker 1: the day two three guys.

939
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna I'm gonna kind of give myself

940
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 2: the opposite of Victory lap here too, because you wanted

941
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 2: that guy and I said no at that point, just

942
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 2: wait till next year. Next year looks like a really

943
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 2: good class too. You remember the guy who I was

944
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 2: talking about was filed your COVID who's now.

945
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: A tight end. So look, you did like I did,

946
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: like filder Covic and then BC ruined him. Uh mate,

947
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: going around this city right exactly exactly, maybe next year's

948
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,240
Speaker 1: class ends up being good. I personally believe Shouldar Sanders

949
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: is going to go back to school, So I think

950
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: that's the only guy that I can tell you is

951
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: going to be in next year's class right now.

952
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 2: Right, So Shouldar Sanders is gonna go one one. So

953
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to be the worst team in the league.

954
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 2: And if you're picking Joe Alt, if you add more Harrison,

955
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 2: those guys are gonna win you games.

956
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I look.

957
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 2: At the rest at class, the guys who are projected

958
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 2: first round picks right now, Caid klub Nick, I don't

959
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 2: think this is very updated because Clemson's offense has not

960
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:11,479
Speaker 2: been good.

961
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: He does not look like the typical Clemson quarterback. Drew Aller.

962
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:14,919
Speaker 1: I don't.

963
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 2: Did you see the press conference with James Franklin about

964
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 2: Drew the other day where the reporter ass like, have

965
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 2: you ever told h to just throw it deep?

966
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: Just to do it? Yeah?

967
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 2: Drew Aller right now? Has you're drafting Mac Jones again.

968
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 2: If you draft Drew Aller, the only other quarterback is

969
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 2: supposed to go in the first round next year's a

970
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 2: guy named Connor Connor Weigman from tex A and m

971
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 2: who's not even a starter there yet.

972
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: And then you get in like Ty Simpson, who hasn't Okay,

973
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: sot me ask you this question.

974
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 2: If you have a chance to draft a franchise quarterback

975
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 2: with your quarterback who at best has been up and

976
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 2: down entering the final year of his rookie deal, I

977
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 2: think you have to do it.

978
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: It's just too important of a position. So let me

979
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: ask you the important question, because this is this is

980
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: a good money question that we're going to get starting

981
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: in January. We're gonna get this questioning at me now

982
00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: five thousand times. Yeah, who is the Jalen Hurt of

983
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four.

984
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 2: Okay, so you're not even asking me about the first round?

985
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 2: Who is the Jalen Hurts.

986
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: Because let me preface it. If you're gonna this is

987
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: the this is the Carson Wentz year. The Eagles drafted

988
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts right going into Carson Wentz's fourth year. They

989
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 1: gave Carson Wentz the fourth year to see if it

990
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: was gonna be good or not. It wasn't. That's when

991
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 1: they pivoted to Jalen Hurts. So everybody that called us

992
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: last year in last draft cycle about the kid from Tennessee, oh,

993
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: Ken Hooker and calling him the next Jalen Hurts and

994
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: all this stuff, they I kept on saying, you're a

995
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,439
Speaker 1: year too early, You're a year too early. We're here now.

996
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: So is there I know JJ McCarthy is like the

997
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: mac Jones. I have no interest in JJ McCarthy. I

998
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: have zero interesting Yeah. So is there a guy that

999
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: has the tools but maybe needs to be put together? Okay?

1000
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: So can I give you a couple of names? Yeah?

1001
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 2: You know I have to give you a couple of

1002
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 2: names here. Yeah, a guy a lot of people like

1003
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 2: is Riley Leonard from.

1004
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 1: Duke Oh yeah, I do like him I like his moxie.

1005
00:47:58,360 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: He just make up.

1006
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 2: He's got the makeup. He runs really well. He is

1007
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 2: not remotely a passer right now, and he just suffered

1008
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 2: a pretty serious ankleing, so there's some wonders about him.

1009
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:08,240
Speaker 1: That sounds right up the Patriots.

1010
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 2: I like kJ Jefferson from Arkansas. Big dude, big guy,

1011
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 2: cannon arm plays with a ton of confidence, can run

1012
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 2: the football. He's kind of got that like, and I

1013
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 2: use this comp very very loosely. He's got a little

1014
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 2: bit of that Cam Newton thing where he's like, I

1015
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 2: can throw it pastua, I can run through you. Now,

1016
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 2: his decision making that needs to build up, both as

1017
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 2: a runner and a passer. He's a little too loose

1018
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 2: with the football right now. The conference is maybe a

1019
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 2: little too much, But I like him.

1020
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: Joe Milton from Tennessee.

1021
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 2: From Tennessee, I am very interested for you to actually

1022
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 2: watch and break down time.

1023
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: Watched like a little bit of him because he would

1024
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 1: come in for Cockers sometimes last year because they're blowing

1025
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,280
Speaker 1: teams out. And he would also come in from Hooker

1026
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: for hook On Hill Mary's because he's.

1027
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 2: Here's the thing about Joe Milton. If you need somebody

1028
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 2: to throw the football eighty yards. Joe Milton can throw

1029
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 2: the football at the right. If you need somebody to

1030
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 2: throw a five yard slant, Joe Milton can throw the

1031
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 2: football eighty yards. Like that's just kind of There's one

1032
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 2: play I think it might have been in their spring game.

1033
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 2: I can't remember where they're at, like the five yard line,

1034
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 2: and he's trying to hit a crosser along the end line,

1035
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 2: like the back of the end zone, and he throws

1036
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 2: the ball like like four rows into the stands. Yeah,

1037
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:20,240
Speaker 2: which is like impressive but not really helpful.

1038
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,399
Speaker 1: But you're telling me he's like his in his pro day.

1039
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: He's gonna He's Pro day. They're gonna love.

1040
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 2: So so here's they Remember how last year I said,

1041
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,760
Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson makes Josh Allen looks like he plays under control.

1042
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 2: Joe Milton is the next evolution of that. Okay, but

1043
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 2: Joe Milton. Joe Milton makes Josh Allen look like Chad Pennington.

1044
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 1: And Joe Milton's defense, that is kind of what we're

1045
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: talking about.

1046
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 2: So again we're talking about the guy who just rock

1047
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 2: Can you build him up? That's maybe Joe Milton. I've

1048
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 2: got two more for you okay quickly. One is Grayson

1049
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 2: McCall from Coastal Carolina. Gray McCall's been in college for

1050
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 2: a while, and.

1051
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 1: One coat say, like is he is he thirty? At like?

1052
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 1: I think he's like twenty four? What point are we

1053
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: gonna go to the NFL?

1054
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 2: So Grayson McCall, people thought he'd be a first round

1055
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 2: pick at one point and then a bunch of quarterbacks

1056
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 2: in this class kind of came out of nowhere. He's

1057
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 2: twenty two, it'll be twenty three in December. He's if

1058
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 2: you're somebody who thinks, maybe Zach Wilson that makeup is

1059
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 2: what you want and he just got butchered by the

1060
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 2: Jets or the spoiled rich kid thing did him in.

1061
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,720
Speaker 2: Grayson McCall moves around really well, throws a really pretty ball.

1062
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 2: You're gonna wonder about the jumping level of competition and

1063
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 2: consistency in the last one. And this one's really interesting.

1064
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,760
Speaker 2: You talked before about Riley Leonard being up the Patriots

1065
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 2: alley if it's still this regime, because this is a

1066
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 2: trend with them. Dj Ujungloway is the quarterback at Guy.

1067
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 2: So he was he was the number one recruit in

1068
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 2: the country coming out in class of twenty nineteen. Not

1069
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 2: number one quarterback, number one recruit, and it was supposed

1070
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 2: to be they had Deshaun Watson, they had Trevor Lawrence.

1071
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 2: This was the next guy. Big dude, six four to two.

1072
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 2: I think he's two fifty. Yeah, six four, two fifty,

1073
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 2: can throw the ball around the yard. Electric it'ber Matt

1074
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 2: and we're doing this. They they never they never figured

1075
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 2: him out. Dabo Sweeney, shocker, couldn't figure him out. He

1076
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 2: and I was ready to write him off. But he

1077
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 2: has gone to Oregon State this year and that I

1078
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 2: know you don't like Pack twelve pac Twel's no joke,

1079
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 2: this yere Beavers. He has been awesome through five touchdowns

1080
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 2: last week beat Utah. Alright, this is but this is

1081
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 2: the Patriots thing, right, former high score recruit maybe got

1082
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 2: misused in college.

1083
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,359
Speaker 1: We're not doing this again next year. This is the

1084
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: Patriots thing. Right.

1085
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 2: But but but but you know, high high ranked, high

1086
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 2: score recruit, maybe didn get figured out. Old has been

1087
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 2: really good this year. And you're the guy that's clamoring

1088
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 2: for that modern quarterback. He can run it, he can

1089
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 2: throw it, he can process up the line.

1090
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 1: All of it.

1091
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 2: This is who he was supposed to be, and it

1092
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 2: just never clicked for him at organ At Clemson, it's

1093
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 2: clicking for him.

1094
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:53,399
Speaker 1: Now.

1095
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 2: He's gonna rise up draft boards. He's gonna be a

1096
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:57,879
Speaker 2: guy that probably ends up in that day too, maybe

1097
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 2: early day three conversation that people look at and say,

1098
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 2: if he goes to the right and this was Jalen Hurts,

1099
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 2: if he goes to the right situation with the right

1100
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 2: coaching staff, the talent is certainly there, not just for

1101
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 2: him to be a starter, but for be a guy,

1102
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 2: to be a guy that can win games.

1103
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 1: It's just how much did Clemson set him back? All right?

1104
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 1: All right? I like that. It's depressing that we're talking

1105
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 1: about that on October twelve, you're gonna be a big

1106
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: DJ younga leg and that that's where we're at. I

1107
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: I just really quickly on the quarterbacks because I have

1108
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 1: not watched them as extensively as you. As you just

1109
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: rattled off, like seventeen, you gotta watch this week. But

1110
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: the one, well, so let me just play. It's still early,

1111
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 1: still a lot of ball to be played, so that

1112
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 1: can all change. The one guy that I really really like,

1113
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 1: and this is not like a mid round Yeah, because

1114
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not that deep. Yeah, I love Drake

1115
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,359
Speaker 1: Bay Oh Evan likes the second best prospect in the way.

1116
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,919
Speaker 1: I really like Drake May. And when I watched Drake May,

1117
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: my comp right now is Justin Herbert. Yeah, you're not

1118
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: the only one that says that. Oh really, Yeah, No,

1119
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: that's you know, I don't pay attention, So who is it.

1120
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 2: One of the big draft guys. Is like he's halfway

1121
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 2: between Justin Herbert and Josh Allen.

1122
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think he's more controlled than Josh Allen, So

1123
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 1: maybe that's where we're getting at from.

1124
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 2: I definitely think he's closer to Herbert. I I'm starting

1125
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 2: to come around on him. Like my thing with quarterbacks,

1126
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 2: with first round quarterbacks again, it's that carrying trait thing.

1127
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:16,919
Speaker 2: What does he do that nobody else in the class does.

1128
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 2: Drake May is kind of in this weird spot where

1129
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 2: even I think when you take Caleb Williams out of it,

1130
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 2: because he's a unicorn.

1131
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1132
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 2: I don't know that any single one of Drake May's

1133
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,760
Speaker 2: traits are the best in this class, but every single

1134
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 2: one might be the second best in this class. And

1135
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 2: usually that's the guy that I'm like, but he's he's

1136
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 2: just so well rounded that I'm starting to come around

1137
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 2: to it.

1138
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, Like I got he's got confidence, poise, polished

1139
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,919
Speaker 1: like he just looks he knows that he can play

1140
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: the position. He knows what the position entails. And I

1141
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 1: think one of the things that I watched him a

1142
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,720
Speaker 1: lot last year because of some of their skill players

1143
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 1: and Josh dat that was who it was. He's got

1144
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 1: some of that that off platform moxie too, right, Like

1145
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,439
Speaker 1: he can move around and throw off platform, he can

1146
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,479
Speaker 1: throw a little side arm, he can flick the wrist

1147
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: sort of thing. I think he's got a lot of

1148
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: the of just throw making ability. Like he's just a quarterback.

1149
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,280
Speaker 1: And it's not like we're trying to make an athlete

1150
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: into a quarterback. It's not like we're trying to do

1151
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 1: what they try to do with Mac where you're trying

1152
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: to take the intangibles and turn that into an NFL quarterback.

1153
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: Like you said, this guy's extremely well round.

1154
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 2: So it's you know, everybody wants to point to Mitchell Trubisky.

1155
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 1: He and I was doing that.

1156
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 2: I was doing that a couple of months ago because

1157
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 2: I was not super impressed with him last year as

1158
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 2: a freshman. Yeah, Richard freshman, I like, I think people

1159
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 2: were just talking about projection.

1160
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: And not what he was doing.

1161
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 2: And you're seeing that growth now and yeah, he's fucking

1162
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:47,879
Speaker 2: it's it's I can't.

1163
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: I know it's Syracuse. I I don't don't, Okay, but

1164
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: I'm just saying. But I'm saying that I don't hype

1165
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 1: him up in terms of like actually the end result

1166
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: of the play, but like knowing where to go at

1167
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: the ball. He's just I think he's got something, all right.

1168
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 1: I don't want to I don't want to spend too

1169
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: They're gonna let me just say that they have plenty

1170
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: of times they're gonna play Duke in a couple of weeks.

1171
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:10,399
Speaker 1: That Duke.

1172
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 2: And this is to the Rley Leonard people, Oh look,

1173
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 2: he made Duke relevant. That Duke offense is fine to fine,

1174
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 2: That Duke defense might be one of the ten best

1175
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 2: in college football right now.

1176
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: That Duke. This is what you do.

1177
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 2: So for people including you, who want to learn about

1178
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:25,839
Speaker 2: these quarterbacks, here teach me.

1179
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:26,919
Speaker 1: This is what you do.

1180
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 2: You find the games where they're actually fit. Like Washington organ.

1181
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 1: This year talking about quarterbacks in the draft, Drake May

1182
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 1: against Duke is gonna be very all right, let's clear

1183
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: the phone lines and then let's talk about the actual

1184
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: Patriots team. All right, Jeff is in Maine. What's up? Jeff?

1185
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 4: Hey, guys, how you doing.

1186
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 6: Uh?

1187
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 4: So you can twist my arm into the Erry Duke.

1188
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:54,839
Speaker 4: I don't mind taking him for the future. Uh, there's

1189
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 4: a part of me that kind of just wants to

1190
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 4: let this team die and sea, especially the offfensive line.

1191
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 4: You know, use what you got. I don't think we

1192
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 4: need to trade for any defensive players or anything like that.

1193
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 4: We've got put of his talent coming back. That's my

1194
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:14,839
Speaker 4: take on the roster. And then you guys know, great

1195
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 4: value in the Walmart brand.

1196
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: Yes, all right, So.

1197
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 4: I don't remember how we used him, but assuming that

1198
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 4: Bill O'Brien uses Taekwon like great value, will Fuller, what

1199
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 4: would that usage look like based on you know, whatever

1200
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 4: film from Houston you watched to scout what Bill O'Brien

1201
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 4: used to do during the off season. I'll take off

1202
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 4: the here, thanks guys.

1203
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: Thanks Jeff. I actually wrote about this in the off season,

1204
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: because like, what else are we going to freaking write about?

1205
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 1: So I wrote about this in the off season, and

1206
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: I went back and watched Will Fuller and Jamison Williams,

1207
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: you know, Jameson Williams at Alabama with Bill O'Brien as

1208
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator and Will Fuller in Houston with Bill

1209
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:58,839
Speaker 1: O'Brien as the head coach slash offensive guy. I think

1210
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: with Will Fuller, what you saw you did see a

1211
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 1: lot of verticals with Will Fuller, right, a lot of

1212
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:06,800
Speaker 1: go balls, a lot of things, you know, just verticals

1213
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: down the field. Uh. He used him a lot, though,

1214
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: And this is what I'm looking forward to with Taekwon,

1215
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: and I think Alex you had mentioned this a little

1216
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: bit at the beginning of the show. Uh. He used

1217
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: him a lot out of like stack alignments. Right, so

1218
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: two receiver stacks. Uh. So you have the point man

1219
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 1: on the line of scrimmage. The idea is is that

1220
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 1: that point man is going to run off the ball

1221
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 1: and he's gonna he's gonna take the contact, right, he's

1222
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 1: gonna get off the line. He's gonna create a little

1223
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 1: bit of pocket of space underneath him for the receiver

1224
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 1: to get off the line, uh, without a jam. Right,

1225
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 1: So get a free release at the line of scrimmage

1226
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: and then will Fuller is so fast that he was

1227
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 1: able to then just make make things happen. With Taekwon,

1228
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: I I feel a similar way, and why I'm taking

1229
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: the cheese per usual on a receiver shocker with Taekwon,

1230
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,919
Speaker 1: I feel like that's similar where I think that Bill

1231
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 1: O'Brien is gonna find ways to get him off the

1232
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, whether it's playing him out of the slot,

1233
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 1: which is what I think that you mentioned earlier, which

1234
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 1: is one way motion him right, like running him into

1235
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: the route like they do with Tyreek Hill in Miami,

1236
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 1: or running him out of bunches or stacks where teams

1237
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: have to pick him up down the field instead of

1238
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 1: jamming him at the line of scrimmage. I think last year,

1239
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 1: and I'm not trying to go down the road of

1240
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: like let's pick on Maddy p but last year they

1241
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 1: played him a lot at the X. They played him

1242
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: a lot on the line of scrimmage, and so he

1243
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 1: saw a lot of pressman and at his size, he

1244
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 1: just isn't big enough to get off of the pressman

1245
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 1: coverage at this level. So what you have to do

1246
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 1: is you have to get him off the line of

1247
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 1: scrimmage and I think that that's why I was bullish

1248
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 1: in the spring, and you all made fun of me

1249
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 1: because of the one practice that I saw from Taekwon,

1250
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: and I was already like all all in on it.

1251
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: The reason why is because I saw like a plan

1252
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 1: being hatched of. He's one hundred and eighty pounds soaking wet,

1253
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 1: so we're not gonna just isolate him against man coverage

1254
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 1: on the outside and expect him to win one on one.

1255
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: We're gonna find creative ways to get him open. And

1256
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 1: I think that that's what Bill O'Brien's gonna do. Yeah,

1257
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 1: but you can go back on Patriots dot com if

1258
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 1: you search that I like Fuller Jamison Williams my name

1259
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 1: on Patriots dot com. He should probably be able to

1260
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 1: find that. I remember writing about it. All right. John

1261
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 1: is in Louisiana. What's up, John? Hey?

1262
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 3: What's up?

1263
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: Your Yes?

1264
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 4: All right?

1265
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 3: I want I want just talking about it with moving

1266
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 3: on with Mac and draft to drink me. The reason

1267
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 3: why I was thinking about it is you know exactly

1268
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 3: what you have in Mac, so why not just build

1269
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 3: around him. I know he's having a roth here, but

1270
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 3: we know what we got it. I'm just building around

1271
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 3: them like, why why not you go that route?

1272
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's a fair take. And thanks for the call, John,

1273
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 1: It's an interesting it's a fair take. And the caller

1274
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 1: before I talked about, well why don't we use to

1275
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 1: pick on a tackle or receiver and continue to build

1276
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 1: with Mac. I think the problem is is that you

1277
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: might know what you have with Mac and is that

1278
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 1: he ain't it right?

1279
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 2: So I think it's even beyond that that they had

1280
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 2: their chance to build around Mac. Yeah it was the

1281
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 2: last two years, yea, and they didn't do it. And

1282
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 2: it's a lot harder to build around. So then what

1283
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 2: you build around him?

1284
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 1: This year?

1285
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 2: He's on an expiring contract. Are you going to resign him?

1286
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 2: Are you going to risk losing him? And then you

1287
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 2: know what if the next years again that twenty twenty

1288
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 2: one class we talked about, what if they missed the

1289
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 2: next year? Kenny Pickett was the only first round pick

1290
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 2: in that class. So then you're gonna build this whole

1291
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 2: thing around Kenny Pickett? Yeah, who also probably isn't it.

1292
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1293
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 2: I just the regardless of Mac, the clocks run out.

1294
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 2: The clocks run out to build around him because you're

1295
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 2: losing that rookie contract, you kind of have to reset that.

1296
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 1: I also we talked about and I talked about like

1297
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 1: this was the year that I wanted to find out

1298
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 1: about Mac. And I understand that we can have excuses.

1299
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 1: Offensive line has been horrible, the receivers are also mid

1300
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 1: or limited or whatever you want to call it. And

1301
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien hasn't come in a way the magic wand

1302
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 1: and fixed off all these issues, right, so you have

1303
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 1: all the excuses. I think dan Orlovsky said New England

1304
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 1: is currently the hardest team in the league to play

1305
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 1: quarterback for probably right, He's probably it's close. Carolina is

1306
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 1: pretty bad too, all right, Yeah, But regardless, it's probably

1307
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 1: pretty close. They're bottom five you play, So the only

1308
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 1: team where it's worse is that the only team that's

1309
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 1: yet to win a game yet, this Carolina. And then

1310
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 1: like I tend to say no to the Giants just

1311
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 1: because I love Dable, but the Giants offensive line is

1312
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 1: a train wreck, So maybe the Giants are up there

1313
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 1: as well. But regardless of all of that, I still

1314
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 1: think that you have seen you can isolate the quarterback

1315
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 1: play enough that you can see where the warts are

1316
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 1: in Mac Jones's game, and I think both of us

1317
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 1: regardless of how like the nature versus nurture argument of

1318
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 1: how we got here with Mac Jones, I'm not sold.

1319
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 1: This is as down on Mac Jones as I've probably

1320
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 1: been since they drafted him. This is in terms of

1321
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 1: my confidence level that you can build around Mac Jones

1322
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 1: and be not just a productive offense, but a winning

1323
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 1: football team with Mac Jones as your quarterback. This is

1324
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 1: probably as down on him as a player as I've been.

1325
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 1: I don't know how you feel about that. I just

1326
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 1: I'm down on the whole situation. It's not even just

1327
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:19,919
Speaker 1: him as a play again.

1328
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 2: I go back to that thing where, even if you

1329
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 2: did want to give him another year one, unless you're

1330
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 2: overhauling the coaching staff on the front office, where's the

1331
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 2: belief that that's what's going to happen. Because last year

1332
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 2: we all sat here and said, you know, yeah, we

1333
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 2: know they haven't really invested on offense before.

1334
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 1: But it's as clear as day this year that they

1335
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 1: have to.

1336
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 2: Do it, and they didn't do it. And even if

1337
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 2: you move on and it's somebody else who is willing

1338
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 2: to commit to it, then what happens then he plays

1339
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 2: the fourth year, are you picking up his option? All right,

1340
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 2: that's two years and then what are you extending him?

1341
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 1: What if not?

1342
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 2: If he's still not good? The window to figure it out,

1343
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 2: we're years.

1344
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 1: One and two. Yeah, and they didn't use those years

1345
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 1: to figure it out. So do you feel like you

1346
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 1: have a definitive like I I in terms of like

1347
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 1: I get I just said we're gonna see the whole

1348
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 1: picture right yeah, but right now this second, do you

1349
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 1: feel like you have enough information to figure that out? No?

1350
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 1: I'm close.

1351
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 2: No, because if, like I, if you're gonna tell me

1352
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 2: that there's gonna be another coaching staff in here next year,

1353
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 2: another GM, then maybe there's an argument for it.

1354
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 1: But short of short.

1355
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 2: Of anything spectacular, I feel like they're just at the

1356
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:37,440
Speaker 2: point where the the timeline for rebuild. And actually talk

1357
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 2: to somebody who works not not even more, but used

1358
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 2: to work in the NFL front office about this. With

1359
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 2: the fifty year option, everything and every team's a little different,

1360
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 2: but generally the timeline for rebuild is there's what you

1361
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 2: call year zero, which is you're bad. You're just bad,

1362
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 2: you're overhauling the roster. That was right exactly, Yep. Then

1363
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 2: you draft the quarter you have year one. The goal

1364
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 2: in year one is to figure out if the quarterback

1365
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 2: you've drafted as an NFL quarterback or not to what

1366
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:07,440
Speaker 2: extent you don't have to know, but like, is this

1367
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 2: the guy We're going to move forward with a lot

1368
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 2: of teams never even get past that. Yeah, but it

1369
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 2: felt like, you know, year two if and this is

1370
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 2: all assuming you check the box from the year before,

1371
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:21,600
Speaker 2: Year two is can you make the playoffs? Can you

1372
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 2: just get in the dance? Can you win enough games?

1373
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 2: Can you beat a couple of good teams while you're

1374
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 2: in there? Year three in your year three is then

1375
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 2: can you be a contender? And you're building this up

1376
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 2: around the quarchampionship window? So year three, I think is

1377
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 2: can you contend? All right, I contend? How I heard it?

1378
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 2: Can you contend for your division? You should be a

1379
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 2: a division contender. You should win a playoff game. Okay,

1380
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 2: year four and five, that's where you win.

1381
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 1: The top championship win. That's championship windows. Maybe instead of

1382
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 1: championship window, I should say contending contending window.

1383
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're you're you're not like a championship favorite, but

1384
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 2: all right, championship contender, yeah, they were ahead of schedule

1385
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 2: with Mac. They were where you should be after year

1386
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 2: two in year one, and then they went backwards. And

1387
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 2: so right now, based on that timeline, this year they

1388
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 2: should be an out. They should be a contender for

1389
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 2: the division and outside contender for the super Bowl. Next

1390
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:11,520
Speaker 2: year they should be a super Bowl contender.

1391
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:13,080
Speaker 1: Yikes. Do you see them getting there?

1392
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 2: No?

1393
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 1: And that's where I'm like, all right, you got to

1394
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 1: reset the process. Got it all right? Kevin is in

1395
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 1: Burlington and they're going to get up to three up,

1396
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:20,720
Speaker 1: three down? What's up? Kevin?

1397
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 5: Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call. I want to

1398
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 5: make the case of I want to make the case

1399
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 5: of Belichick really had a well thought out plan for

1400
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 5: the offense, but it just wasn't able to implement it,

1401
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 5: because I think the offensive problem is really date back

1402
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:39,360
Speaker 5: to when Brady and Josh were still here. If you

1403
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 5: remember in twenty nineteen, they started eight to zero, but

1404
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 5: the offense really wasn't good and it ultimately sank that team.

1405
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 5: And I think it's at that part Belichick wanted to

1406
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 5: transition away from the Irah Pergin system because Brady was

1407
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 5: leaving and Scarnaki was leaving, and I think he wanted

1408
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 5: a more consistent running game, and it was very difficult

1409
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 5: at that time to on board new receivers because I

1410
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 5: think college was more spread RPO and NFL was running

1411
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 5: a out of Shanahan. So if you remember, in that offseason,

1412
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 5: they brought in Jed Fish as the key coach, and

1413
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 5: Jed was he spent time with Mike Shanahan, he spent

1414
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:19,920
Speaker 5: time with Sean McVay, and that's when they brought in

1415
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 5: Kim Newton. But unfortunately that was also the off season

1416
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 5: of COVID, so I think that was really really impacted,

1417
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 5: you know, any kind of new philosophical install and then

1418
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 5: Jed was hired away from the University of Arizona as

1419
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 5: the head coach before the season even ended. And then

1420
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 5: if you look, you know, last year with Patrica, they

1421
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 5: were still trying to run you know, Shanahan's zones schemes.

1422
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 5: So I think, you know, ultimately it's this failure to

1423
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 5: transition to the new offensive system that's the root cause

1424
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,720
Speaker 5: of the offensive problems, and the offenses of like Ellie Wise,

1425
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 5: Josh Daniels, and Bill O'Brien are very difficult to run

1426
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 5: successfully in the modern NFL. I think until this transition happens.

1427
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 5: I'm worried that our office will continue to crush this team,

1428
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 5: regardless of the types of players that they have.

1429
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:08,560
Speaker 1: Thanks thanks for the call, Kevin. Yeah, it made a

1430
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 1: lot of really good points and things that we've touched on.

1431
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:13,919
Speaker 1: You know, we talked a lot about like the twenty

1432
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 1: twenty two draft and how a lot of those players

1433
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:18,960
Speaker 1: were kind of built more for Shanahan offense. You know,

1434
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:23,600
Speaker 1: athletic guard, speed receiver, speedback, right like, those are some

1435
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:26,920
Speaker 1: of those picks that were made to suit. That my

1436
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 1: whole thing. And it's not to disagree with Kevin necessarily

1437
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 1: because I agree with him that a big part of

1438
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 1: their offensive failures were the systemic changes that they made

1439
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 1: that have not taken hold right that they've tried to

1440
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:45,280
Speaker 1: make and they haven't worked. I've been saying a lot

1441
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:48,440
Speaker 1: this week and in general, but this week especially about

1442
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 1: how annoyed I am that they ditched the full back

1443
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 1: and just don't have a fullback on the roster anymore.

1444
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:57,360
Speaker 1: That to me, I think was a misstep. We talk

1445
01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 1: about like all these types of moves. I agree. Now.

1446
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 1: The one point that I would push back a little

1447
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 1: bit on on that being the entire reason. H if

1448
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 1: you had good players, I don't think it would matter.

1449
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 2: Right, And that that to me. If you want to

1450
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:13,160
Speaker 2: install this new offense, fine, go out and get players

1451
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:15,600
Speaker 2: to run it. And it just all comes back to

1452
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 2: that if you ever invested, if you had real talent

1453
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 2: on offense, I don't care if you're running and Erhard

1454
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:26,519
Speaker 2: Perkins West Coast spread RPO. If you have you know,

1455
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 2: Stefan Diggs and the Buffalo Bills offense, you're probably gonna

1456
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:32,000
Speaker 2: be a pretty good offense, right right.

1457
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 1: I So I agree that maybe they miscalculated on a

1458
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 1: lot of on a lot of different elements, be trying

1459
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:44,679
Speaker 1: to be more Shanahan like, and that's why this all

1460
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:48,440
Speaker 1: came apart in a sense. But I still think that

1461
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:51,360
Speaker 1: that's getting even for me getting a little too caught

1462
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:53,120
Speaker 1: up in the x's and o's instead of the jimmy's

1463
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:55,640
Speaker 1: and jokes. Yeah all right, Uh, let's do three up,

1464
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 1: three down, and then we'll take a few more of

1465
01:08:57,400 --> 01:08:58,719
Speaker 1: these fun calls before we wrap.

1466
01:08:59,160 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 3: Uh.

1467
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 1: In classic blowout fashion, Alex, I did two up, five down,

1468
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 1: because you know, you get blown out like that, you

1469
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:09,840
Speaker 1: don't get more than two. That's my rule. So let's

1470
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:13,519
Speaker 1: start with the positives. I'll start here because I kind

1471
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 1: of mentioned him already first out of the game, first

1472
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 1: up in the game, Riley Reef. I thought Riley Reef

1473
01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:19,960
Speaker 1: was a lot better in this game than what they

1474
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:22,640
Speaker 1: put out there at guard. A one hurry allowed and

1475
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 1: happened late with Bailey Zappy in the game in the

1476
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:27,559
Speaker 1: fourth quarter. I thought he was really good in his reps,

1477
01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 1: run blocking. I think he shows some leverage, some toughness,

1478
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:34,679
Speaker 1: some ability to move guys in the run game. Pass protection,

1479
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:37,479
Speaker 1: he's been way, way, way better than anything they've thrown

1480
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:40,679
Speaker 1: out there in pass protection at guard. Much better moving

1481
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 1: side to side, much better anchor. I'm intrigued. I'm intrigued.

1482
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:48,640
Speaker 1: This is a good player that they could film. I

1483
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:51,600
Speaker 1: should say for Riley Reef, and maybe they have a

1484
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 1: good player. I'll go to Mario Douglas.

1485
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:57,000
Speaker 2: He got open on that one route and he made

1486
01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 2: a nice catch and I mean, am I wrong?

1487
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 1: No? And he got hurt, but he got hurt on No,

1488
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 1: maybe he would have done more. That's not his fault. No,

1489
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:06,080
Speaker 1: maybe he would have done more. I don't know, he's enough.

1490
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 1: I feel like two weeks in a row, we had

1491
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:11,800
Speaker 1: what Damario Douglas is enough for one catch that he

1492
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:12,559
Speaker 1: made in the game.

1493
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:15,479
Speaker 2: It's almost like he should be playing more. Well, I

1494
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 2: guess like he couldn't have played more last week.

1495
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 1: But number two up Anthony Jennings. I thought Anthony Jenks

1496
01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 1: was good in this game. Four stops in the run, game,

1497
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:26,599
Speaker 1: set a good edge, had a hurry. Nobody had multiple

1498
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 1: hurries in this game because the Patriots had no pass rush.

1499
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 1: So the fact of the matter is is Anthony Jennings

1500
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 1: is one hurry, tied for the team lead. So tied

1501
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 1: for the team lead in hurries. Four stops against the run.

1502
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 1: Is Anthony Jennings a difference to making edge? No? Can

1503
01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 1: he set the edge of the defense and play the

1504
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 1: run on first down? Yes? And for right now, that's

1505
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:50,640
Speaker 1: gonna be how they're gonna have to survive without Judon right,

1506
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:53,040
Speaker 1: everybody's gonna have to have a roll, everybody's gonna have

1507
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 1: to be hyper specific to that role, and they're gonna

1508
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:58,240
Speaker 1: have to patch it together. So I have Anthony Jennings.

1509
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:00,200
Speaker 2: I'm doing this for the I think the are we

1510
01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 2: can around picking this guy at this point. I'm probably

1511
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 2: just doing it to annoy people more than anything.

1512
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:03,760
Speaker 1: Else.

1513
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:06,840
Speaker 2: Miles Bryant, Oh my god, had that big hit on

1514
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 2: Mike Thomas and he's stepping up making he's like their

1515
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:12,920
Speaker 2: third highest graded run defender right now on PFF. Yeah,

1516
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:15,320
Speaker 2: he's had like I think it's maybe says more about

1517
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:16,640
Speaker 2: the defense than him, but he's been one of their

1518
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:17,880
Speaker 2: best defensive players this year.

1519
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 1: Not bad, not bad. Miles Brian has uh turned in

1520
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:25,839
Speaker 1: to a player that fans poke at all the time. Yeah,

1521
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:29,759
Speaker 1: I'll say this with all sincerity. If you're still picking

1522
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:32,000
Speaker 1: on Miles Brian and saying that Miles Brian is bad,

1523
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:34,559
Speaker 1: you're not watching the games, right, You're not your your

1524
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:37,800
Speaker 1: your priors have brought have blinded you, and you're not

1525
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:42,639
Speaker 1: watching the games this year. Is he prime Stefan Gilmore? Hell? No?

1526
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 1: Is he a serviceable nickelback? Yes? Yeah? All right? Do

1527
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:51,040
Speaker 1: you have any more ups? No? Good? Good? I've you're

1528
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 1: gonna hate what my downs are too. Number one down? Okay?

1529
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 1: Mac Jones, Yeah, Mac Jones, number one down. I wanted

1530
01:11:57,120 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 1: to save this for three up, three down and talk

1531
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:02,280
Speaker 1: about MCA a little, but here Mac is a down.

1532
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:05,880
Speaker 1: I think what the problem is is with Mac. The

1533
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:07,599
Speaker 1: three biggest things that I see that are wrong with

1534
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 1: Mac right now. Number one, first and foremost is he

1535
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 1: is Sam Darnold seeing ghosts out there. He's seeing ghosts

1536
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 1: even when it's a clean pocket. It's not a clean

1537
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:20,760
Speaker 1: pocket to Mac Jones right now. His footwork's all over

1538
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:23,760
Speaker 1: the place, his eyes are out down on the rush.

1539
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:28,599
Speaker 1: He is feeling pressure that doesn't always exist, and that's

1540
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 1: a big, big, big problem. He had a couple of

1541
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 1: plays in this game where if he had just hung

1542
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 1: in the pocket and stayed with the play instead of

1543
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 1: being sped up and making a quick decision because of

1544
01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:47,160
Speaker 1: the of the panic meter with the pressure, he had

1545
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:50,439
Speaker 1: some open reads in this game, but the ball is

1546
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:53,240
Speaker 1: coming out so quickly or not at all because he

1547
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:57,599
Speaker 1: was panicking because of the pressure. So that I don't

1548
01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:01,240
Speaker 1: know how you fix that. I And when I say fix,

1549
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:04,880
Speaker 1: I don't know how you fix that. In season he

1550
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:08,000
Speaker 1: might be able to go to the offseason, take a

1551
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:12,120
Speaker 1: step back from football and reset and go six months

1552
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:15,360
Speaker 1: without getting hit, and that might reset him mentally to

1553
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 1: the point where he can come in next season and

1554
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:21,799
Speaker 1: not be sped up and panicked under pressure. But in season,

1555
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:25,400
Speaker 1: I don't know how you necessarily fix that. And the

1556
01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:27,439
Speaker 1: other thing. I you know, I mentioned the footwork, I

1557
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:29,599
Speaker 1: mentioned the eyes, you know, going down at the rush,

1558
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:32,679
Speaker 1: not seeing the reds. I just really think that that's

1559
01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:37,760
Speaker 1: a broken quarterback. And I'm at the point now with Mac.

1560
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:39,640
Speaker 1: And I don't know how you feel about it, but

1561
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:42,639
Speaker 1: I'm at the point now with Mac that I don't

1562
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 1: know if you can put Humpty Dumpty back together again.

1563
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:48,800
Speaker 1: I think that this is a guy that once you

1564
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:52,200
Speaker 1: start to lose it in that respect, and you start

1565
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:57,479
Speaker 1: feeling pressure that doesn't actually exist, and you start being

1566
01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:00,759
Speaker 1: unsettled with your footwork and like throw with your feet

1567
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:04,400
Speaker 1: parallel to the line of scrimmage and not stepping into throws.

1568
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:08,879
Speaker 1: You know, a couple examples, like the Time Montgomery interception.

1569
01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 1: You can argue that a good receiver it hit him

1570
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:18,120
Speaker 1: right in, catches that ball and shields the safety and

1571
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:23,080
Speaker 1: makes the catch. The ball is a lollipop. You gotta

1572
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:25,799
Speaker 1: step into the ball and throw it. If he steps

1573
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:29,080
Speaker 1: into the ball and throws it with some velo instead

1574
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 1: of just arking it up there to Time Montgomery, the

1575
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:35,439
Speaker 1: safety is not even a factor. Right, Like if he

1576
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 1: steps and rips it, then Time Montgomery catches it on

1577
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:41,840
Speaker 1: the run and cuts in in front of the face

1578
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:45,639
Speaker 1: of the safety and never gets hit. But the ball

1579
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 1: took too long to get there, and it causes these

1580
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:51,720
Speaker 1: types of interceptions. That's not because he was panicked in

1581
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 1: the pocket necessarily, It's because he doesn't have any confidence

1582
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 1: to step up in the pocket and step into a

1583
01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:01,200
Speaker 1: throw and let it rip. Those throws need they need

1584
01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 1: to have more mustard on them, They need to have

1585
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:07,080
Speaker 1: more velocity on them. I just I'm not sure how

1586
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:09,519
Speaker 1: you put Mac back together at this point. All right,

1587
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 1: that leads perfectly into my first down. The offense, it

1588
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 1: just Mac was panicked. He was rushing.

1589
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:18,160
Speaker 2: They couldn't get anything blocked, they couldn't run the ball.

1590
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:22,519
Speaker 2: Nobody was getting off open. Is there any part of

1591
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:24,599
Speaker 2: that game you look at. I know you you sort

1592
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:27,240
Speaker 2: of liked what Riley Reef did, but yeah, you know,

1593
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 2: as a whole, the game plan was bad. It was

1594
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 2: all bad. It's a bury the ball game. For the offense,

1595
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:36,439
Speaker 2: they weren't good enough. They just weren't good enough. I

1596
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:38,639
Speaker 2: know people are gonna say that this is me excusing Mac,

1597
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 2: especially because you just said Mac is your first down.

1598
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 2: Yeah it's no, it's it's all of it. It's it's

1599
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:47,799
Speaker 2: it's Mac's bad. The offense is bad, the pass catches

1600
01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:50,120
Speaker 2: are bad, the run games bad, and it's they all

1601
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:53,559
Speaker 2: compound when another. Yeah, and it's not the kind of

1602
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 2: game where you can single one person out, I think

1603
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:56,439
Speaker 2: and say, this person had a bad game.

1604
01:15:56,600 --> 01:16:00,960
Speaker 1: It was all bad. Their offensive film is itster Yeah,

1605
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:04,519
Speaker 1: it is disgusting to watch. It is an absolute abject disaster,

1606
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:08,840
Speaker 1: to the point where I always watched the Patriots stuff

1607
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:11,400
Speaker 1: to Patriots stuff. Then I turned the page. Now that

1608
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:13,639
Speaker 1: the Raiders played on Monday night, so that threw off

1609
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:17,160
Speaker 1: my schedule a little bit. Yeah, regardless, thank you, thank

1610
01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:20,920
Speaker 1: you for feeling bad for me. Regardless, the Raiders and

1611
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:23,880
Speaker 1: the Packers played that Monday night game. What was the

1612
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 1: final score, seventeen to thirteen, seventeen thirteen, something like that.

1613
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:30,960
Speaker 1: So they both because the Raiders haven't scored twenty once

1614
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 1: this year, they neither team scored a lot of points.

1615
01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:37,559
Speaker 1: That's the point. Their offensive film is fifty times better

1616
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:39,439
Speaker 1: than what the Patriots put on film. Yeah, they were

1617
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:41,640
Speaker 1: just turned the ball over and they didn't score. But

1618
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:43,640
Speaker 1: the fact of the matter was is that it was

1619
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:46,840
Speaker 1: synced up. It looked like an NFL offense right, Like,

1620
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:50,559
Speaker 1: guys are running routes, bockers were blocking, quarterback was throwing.

1621
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 1: It was all on time. It just they're not very

1622
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 1: good right now, right, So they didn't hit on enough

1623
01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:59,720
Speaker 1: plays consistently to put up a lot of points. But

1624
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:02,760
Speaker 1: if you put the Raiders offense that they're going up

1625
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:06,519
Speaker 1: against this week and the Patriots offense side by side,

1626
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:10,080
Speaker 1: the ugliness of the Patriots offensive film compared to the Raiders,

1627
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:11,800
Speaker 1: it would be night and day to you. I mean,

1628
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:14,920
Speaker 1: it is a disaster right now for the Patriots offense.

1629
01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:17,559
Speaker 1: So I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you. I had a

1630
01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:23,720
Speaker 1: few more specific guys though, Okay, Number two Antonio Mafi. So,

1631
01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 1: Antonio Mafi has tools. I'm excited about some of the

1632
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:30,479
Speaker 1: things I've seen from Antonio Mafi. I think he's got

1633
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:33,920
Speaker 1: NFL play strength. I think he's got NFL hand strength.

1634
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:37,639
Speaker 1: I think he's got NFL leverage and balance and ability

1635
01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:39,960
Speaker 1: to block and posture and all that kind of stuff. Like,

1636
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:44,599
Speaker 1: I think he's got NFL tools. I put Antonio Mafi

1637
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:48,960
Speaker 1: as a down, but I really mean Adrian Clem. Adrian

1638
01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:51,519
Speaker 1: Clem's got to start making his money on this team,

1639
01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:56,760
Speaker 1: in this organization. A guy like Antonio Mafi has one

1640
01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:59,879
Speaker 1: achilles heel right now. He can't pick up a stunt.

1641
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 1: He can't pass off a stunt. It's not physical, it's

1642
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:07,840
Speaker 1: not foot speed in this game as much as it

1643
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:11,360
Speaker 1: is mental of not seeing it right. He's not seeing

1644
01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 1: the stunt coming. He's not mentally processing line movement up front.

1645
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:18,439
Speaker 1: To me, that points more to coaching. This is a

1646
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:21,840
Speaker 1: common problem for Antonio Maffi going back to the summer,

1647
01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:24,720
Speaker 1: which means that they've been coaching him up on it

1648
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:30,000
Speaker 1: since the summer and he's not getting better. And at

1649
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:32,880
Speaker 1: some point in time, Adrian Clme's got to start making

1650
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:35,600
Speaker 1: some people better on the offensive line. They have to

1651
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 1: start looking like a five man unit on the offensive line.

1652
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:42,880
Speaker 1: And don't don't give me like they haven't played enough together,

1653
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:45,479
Speaker 1: Like I don't want to hear that these guys have

1654
01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:47,800
Speaker 1: like him and Trent Brown have basically been out there

1655
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:51,680
Speaker 1: since since pad practice has started. Okay, Like we're not

1656
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 1: talking about him working next to a guy that hasn't

1657
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:57,120
Speaker 1: played at all, like a cold strange or something like that.

1658
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:01,240
Speaker 1: At some point in time, the line has to have

1659
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:04,320
Speaker 1: an upward trajectory. There needs to be some development for

1660
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:08,800
Speaker 1: the younger players on this line, like for example, City

1661
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:13,840
Speaker 1: So he guard tackle whatever. Yeah, the fact that City

1662
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:16,840
Speaker 1: so cannot even be active on game day when you're

1663
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:19,360
Speaker 1: rolling Vederian Low out there at right tackle as an

1664
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:22,679
Speaker 1: indictment on the coach. Because he's a fourth round pick,

1665
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:25,839
Speaker 1: he has some tools, he's an athletic kid. He tested

1666
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:29,479
Speaker 1: really really well in the combine, so he's got some

1667
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:32,599
Speaker 1: raw ability. And the fact that he's not better than

1668
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:36,640
Speaker 1: Vederian Low to me points to coaching and development. So

1669
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:40,160
Speaker 1: whether you want to put Mafia as a down or

1670
01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:42,600
Speaker 1: Clem as a down, it's one and the same to me,

1671
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:46,680
Speaker 1: Antonio Mafi Adrian Clem, that's my second down. Mine is

1672
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:49,479
Speaker 1: the defense. I think you see whe I'm going with this.

1673
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:53,800
Speaker 2: You look at the drives the Saints had early in

1674
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:56,720
Speaker 2: the game, eight plays, sixty two yards, four sixteen, five

1675
01:19:57,640 --> 01:20:00,040
Speaker 2: thirty six. It's hot knife through butter and this this

1676
01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:03,120
Speaker 2: is a quarterback that had a bad arm, a bad

1677
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 2: throw on the shoulder. Yeah, a team that struggled to

1678
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:08,920
Speaker 2: move the ball the we end. Look, maybe he's healthier,

1679
01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 2: but a team that struggled to move the ball the

1680
01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:12,920
Speaker 2: week before. Honestly, you look at it, I know people

1681
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:15,679
Speaker 2: think probably could have gotten worse. They were like three

1682
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 2: or four deep balls that either Car didn't throw to

1683
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:21,280
Speaker 2: Olave or he did and Olave.

1684
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:23,960
Speaker 1: Just missed them. There was one touchdown that ol remember,

1685
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:26,040
Speaker 1: he dropped it Brian.

1686
01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:29,400
Speaker 2: So as bad as it looked, they got bailed out

1687
01:20:29,439 --> 01:20:34,120
Speaker 2: a couple times by the Saints. UH coverage didn't line up,

1688
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:36,559
Speaker 2: pass rush never got home. They weren't able to put

1689
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:38,160
Speaker 2: any pressure on Car, which they had to do to

1690
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:41,080
Speaker 2: win this game. Alvin Kamara is making guys missing the

1691
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:43,880
Speaker 2: open field, that that'll happen, but they just didn't seem

1692
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:46,679
Speaker 2: like they almost seemed caught off guard by the way

1693
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:48,160
Speaker 2: Alvin Kamara was used in this game.

1694
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:52,640
Speaker 1: Defense down. Okay, so I have a position group on

1695
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:57,080
Speaker 1: the defense, in particular the safeties. Yeah, that's fair. If

1696
01:20:57,080 --> 01:21:00,120
Speaker 1: I had to pick one, Yeah, that's fair all of them. So,

1697
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:06,360
Speaker 1: Kyle Dugger, where are you? M I a missing an action?

1698
01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 1: Kyle Dugger made some plays in the flat right, made

1699
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 1: some tackles like Derek Carr throwing late to the flat

1700
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:17,200
Speaker 1: and Kyle Dugger made some tackles. Cool there. This goes

1701
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:19,960
Speaker 1: back to something that we talked about a few minutes ago.

1702
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:23,519
Speaker 1: With the personnel. They always used to have a plan,

1703
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:26,840
Speaker 1: right like Nate Solder to Matt liked to Nate's older

1704
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:28,559
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna use that because it's an easy one

1705
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 1: to use, Matt liked to Nate's Solder. They always used

1706
01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:35,160
Speaker 1: to have a plan. How many years? How many years?

1707
01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 1: Is the same thing with tackle? How many years, Alex

1708
01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:42,599
Speaker 1: have We talked about free safety's center fielders in the draft,

1709
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:45,920
Speaker 1: saying at some point you are gonna have to take

1710
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:49,280
Speaker 1: Devin McCarty's successor, at some point you're gonna have to

1711
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:51,680
Speaker 1: get somebody in the building. And both of us were

1712
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:55,799
Speaker 1: lockstep that we prefer Devin to actually school this kid right,

1713
01:21:56,000 --> 01:22:01,160
Speaker 1: like teach them. And they ignored it. They ignored it,

1714
01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:03,600
Speaker 1: they ignored it, they ignored it. And now they're in

1715
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:09,040
Speaker 1: a position where they have box safeties that aren't deep

1716
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:13,679
Speaker 1: middle safeties playing center field in a single, high heavy defense.

1717
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:21,840
Speaker 1: And Jabriel Peppers, Kyle Duggar, Adrian Phillips, those guys, it's

1718
01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:25,479
Speaker 1: not their fault. They're playing out a position, all of them.

1719
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:30,360
Speaker 1: So uh Shaheed Rashid Shahied, Yeah, catches that big pass.

1720
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:34,760
Speaker 1: Adrian Phillips is like the buzz defender. He lets him

1721
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:38,360
Speaker 1: go by, he leaves Jabrill Peppers on him on an island.

1722
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:41,000
Speaker 1: Jabrill Peppers can't pick him up because he's not Devin

1723
01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:45,879
Speaker 1: mccordy in his prime. Big play Chris o'lave is touchdown.

1724
01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:50,719
Speaker 1: Kyle Duggar, where are you going, dude? There's a route

1725
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:53,799
Speaker 1: on the right side line. I think it's Michael Thomas.

1726
01:22:54,200 --> 01:22:56,760
Speaker 1: It's like a one on one, like fade back shoulder thing.

1727
01:22:57,360 --> 01:22:59,160
Speaker 1: And then there's one route in the middle of the

1728
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:03,280
Speaker 1: field and it's Chris a Lava and Kyle Dugger allows

1729
01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:06,759
Speaker 1: Derek Carr to I manipulate him out of the passing window.

1730
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:10,080
Speaker 1: Derek Carr looks right, so Kyle Dugger moves right, and

1731
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:12,360
Speaker 1: then Derek Carr immediately comes back left and hits Chris

1732
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:15,599
Speaker 1: a Lava. There's nobody else in the area for Kyle

1733
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:18,120
Speaker 1: Dugger to go to right like it's a There's no

1734
01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:22,040
Speaker 1: route that's threatening his zone for him to worry about.

1735
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:26,760
Speaker 1: Their free safety play is abysmal. It's been terrible, and

1736
01:23:27,240 --> 01:23:29,080
Speaker 1: all of it goes back like this is why I

1737
01:23:29,479 --> 01:23:32,320
Speaker 1: keep on going back to the head guy. All this

1738
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:35,400
Speaker 1: goes back to the fact that they never addressed a

1739
01:23:35,439 --> 01:23:38,360
Speaker 1: successor to Devin mccordy, and now they're in a position

1740
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:42,400
Speaker 1: where they don't have one and they're stuck, and it's

1741
01:23:42,439 --> 01:23:44,679
Speaker 1: been ugly at times at free safety.

1742
01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:46,680
Speaker 2: It's something we talked about or learning the show. How

1743
01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 2: many guys have left. It's not just on offense. How

1744
01:23:48,439 --> 01:23:50,640
Speaker 2: many guys have left and just left and there was

1745
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:53,960
Speaker 2: no plan to replace him. You know, whether it's on

1746
01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:57,360
Speaker 2: offensive tackle, at running back, at receiver, it's safety, at linebacker.

1747
01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:00,519
Speaker 2: We've seen it a lot over the past few years

1748
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 2: in free safety. Certainly that list. I don't know what

1749
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:07,040
Speaker 2: they thought, maybe like Jabrill Peppers could play it or something,

1750
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 2: or Jalen Mills could play it. But he's not even

1751
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 2: playing like he's the most logical free safety. Yeah, roster,

1752
01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:12,719
Speaker 2: he's not playing.

1753
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:15,840
Speaker 1: So Jabrill Peppers and Kyle Duggar if you want them

1754
01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:19,240
Speaker 1: to play center field and like a like a coverage

1755
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:22,240
Speaker 1: rotation where you're running some sort of exotic and the

1756
01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:26,519
Speaker 1: center fielder drops out of center field and the robber

1757
01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:30,559
Speaker 1: drops back like it's some sort of rotation post snap. Sure, fine,

1758
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:34,840
Speaker 1: as like a stagnant single high safety like Devin used

1759
01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:37,400
Speaker 1: to do. Yeah, can't happen, like you can't have that guy.

1760
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:40,240
Speaker 1: And they had options, like there was options in the draft,

1761
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 1: option in the draft. Mayor Taylor Rapp was here. Yeah,

1762
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:45,400
Speaker 1: another guy you could do it, all right, you got

1763
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:49,599
Speaker 1: you want to guess special team? Yes, yeah, there was.

1764
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:53,280
Speaker 1: This is pretty clear. Uh, this is just good.

1765
01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:55,599
Speaker 2: I mean they're not thirty four nothing. You're not wrong

1766
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:59,160
Speaker 2: Chad Ryland. Look, I'm conflicting on Chad Ryland. We'll start

1767
01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:01,720
Speaker 2: with Chad Ryland. Seven of his eight kicks had been

1768
01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:03,519
Speaker 2: from forty eight or longer. He's fifty percent on all

1769
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:06,040
Speaker 2: his kicks. Yeah, Uh, seven of his eight have been

1770
01:25:06,040 --> 01:25:07,880
Speaker 2: from forty eight or longer. There are long kicks, so

1771
01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:10,160
Speaker 2: you're not gonna have You're not gonna hit ninety percent

1772
01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:11,040
Speaker 2: from forty eight or longer.

1773
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:11,960
Speaker 1: Nobody is justin.

1774
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:15,920
Speaker 2: Tucker doesn't, but you're here to He was drafted because

1775
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:17,680
Speaker 2: he's a big leg. He should be hitting some of

1776
01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:18,280
Speaker 2: these and he's not.

1777
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:20,000
Speaker 1: Now.

1778
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:21,840
Speaker 2: The snaps and holds haven't been great at times. There

1779
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:24,240
Speaker 2: was another bad snap this week, this time on a punt. Yeah,

1780
01:25:24,280 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 2: almost so went out the back of the end zone.

1781
01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:28,200
Speaker 2: Bryce bearing it. Look he got it going later in

1782
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:29,519
Speaker 2: the game. He was good later in the game. But

1783
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:31,559
Speaker 2: he shanked his first two punts. Those both led to

1784
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:33,360
Speaker 2: short field for the Saints and boom, just like that,

1785
01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:34,040
Speaker 2: you fall in the hole.

1786
01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:35,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was concerning.

1787
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:39,599
Speaker 2: And then you had bro Peppers try to like pick

1788
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:42,160
Speaker 2: up a punt that was bouncing and fumbled it and

1789
01:25:42,200 --> 01:25:44,400
Speaker 2: didn't end up turning it over, but very much almost did.

1790
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:46,320
Speaker 1: In time, Montgomery ran two kicks out of the en

1791
01:25:46,360 --> 01:25:47,800
Speaker 1: zone that he didn't need to run out of the enzone.

1792
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:50,160
Speaker 1: So the whole thing, it just didn't and.

1793
01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:56,400
Speaker 2: Right, exactly, well, no, he's at Ryland not run Bear

1794
01:25:56,479 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 2: during the second half was good. But it's just like

1795
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:02,960
Speaker 2: you're seeing on offense where it just looks like guys

1796
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:05,599
Speaker 2: are trying to do or being asked to do more

1797
01:26:06,040 --> 01:26:08,640
Speaker 2: than what's realistic because they're compensating for what's going on

1798
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:09,160
Speaker 2: around them.

1799
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:11,080
Speaker 1: We've talked about a lot on offense.

1800
01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:13,360
Speaker 2: It exists a little bit on defense, maybe more now

1801
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:15,599
Speaker 2: with some of the injuries. You're seeing that pop up

1802
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:16,679
Speaker 2: on special teams as well.

1803
01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:22,200
Speaker 1: All right, two more quickly, all right, Vaderian low like

1804
01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:25,200
Speaker 1: he's just gonna live on the downs list, right, Like

1805
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:28,559
Speaker 1: it's just it's not good enough. It's just not good enough.

1806
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:31,160
Speaker 1: And it's not his faulty as playing. So this kind

1807
01:26:31,160 --> 01:26:33,800
Speaker 1: of goes to my next one, but it's not his

1808
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:37,200
Speaker 1: faulty as playing. They should have better options than Vaderian Low.

1809
01:26:37,479 --> 01:26:39,599
Speaker 1: Your fourth round pick should be a better option. Leyow

1810
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:41,519
Speaker 1: Collin should be a better option. Like, they should have

1811
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:44,439
Speaker 1: a better option, but they don't. Yeah, and he gave it.

1812
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:48,080
Speaker 1: He's gave up another five pressures in this game. He

1813
01:26:48,160 --> 01:26:53,000
Speaker 1: has given up the most pressures in the league amongst tackles.

1814
01:26:53,040 --> 01:26:57,960
Speaker 1: Alex and he's only played four games and he's still

1815
01:26:57,960 --> 01:27:00,880
Speaker 1: giving up the most. Yeah. Okay, so he is the

1816
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:07,320
Speaker 1: worst right tackle. He's the worst tackle in football, period,

1817
01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:12,200
Speaker 1: and he's this Patriots starting right tackle. So this goes

1818
01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:15,760
Speaker 1: to the last one. He's on the perpetual down list.

1819
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:20,400
Speaker 1: It seems like for right now, Bill Belichick. Bill Belichick

1820
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:26,160
Speaker 1: on the down list significantly. He's down bad at this point. Yeah,

1821
01:27:26,240 --> 01:27:28,680
Speaker 1: there's a lot of issues with this team. Most of

1822
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:31,120
Speaker 1: them are personnel driven. We've talked a lot about all

1823
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:36,519
Speaker 1: of that right tackle, free safety. Some of these spots

1824
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:38,760
Speaker 1: that we're talking about go back to the whole thing

1825
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:41,760
Speaker 1: of what was the plan, what was the succession plan,

1826
01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:45,360
Speaker 1: what was the thought process? Those spots. It's now two

1827
01:27:45,439 --> 01:27:47,000
Speaker 1: years in a row. And this is why I lumps

1828
01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:49,880
Speaker 1: Vederian Lowen with Bill. It's now two years in a row.

1829
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:52,559
Speaker 1: That right tackles the worst position on the Patriots roster.

1830
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:57,439
Speaker 1: Worst position? Yeah, how do we not address this? How

1831
01:27:57,640 --> 01:27:58,639
Speaker 1: they didn't address it at all?

1832
01:27:58,760 --> 01:27:58,880
Speaker 4: Oh?

1833
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:01,719
Speaker 1: Sorry? Signed? Rather, they signed Riley Reef and Calvin Anderson.

1834
01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:04,120
Speaker 1: That was addressing. They signed a career backup in thirty four,

1835
01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:06,360
Speaker 1: and they drafted a guard from Eastern Michigan and tried

1836
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:08,479
Speaker 1: to make them into the mystery box again city so

1837
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:10,280
Speaker 1: could be anything. He could even be at tackling. And

1838
01:28:10,479 --> 01:28:13,760
Speaker 1: I got this question on Twitter. I think of like, okay, well,

1839
01:28:14,040 --> 01:28:19,080
Speaker 1: out of McGlinchey, McGary, Jwan Taylor, Like who who's who

1840
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:22,040
Speaker 1: are those guys at Orlanda Brown? Who those guys have

1841
01:28:22,040 --> 01:28:24,920
Speaker 1: actually played well with their new teams. It's not the point, right,

1842
01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:27,280
Speaker 1: it's not the point. It's not that's not how it works.

1843
01:28:27,320 --> 01:28:29,599
Speaker 1: Like you can't just say, oh, this guy hasn't been good,

1844
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:32,200
Speaker 1: so that why why waste? Like why sign him? Yeah,

1845
01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:34,320
Speaker 1: of a, it would have been better than what you

1846
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:36,040
Speaker 1: had and be you don't know what that player would

1847
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:39,880
Speaker 1: look like in your system and in your team Bill

1848
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:43,439
Speaker 1: Belichick's you can There's so many different things you can

1849
01:28:43,439 --> 01:28:45,559
Speaker 1: point to. You can point to end game stuff, you

1850
01:28:45,560 --> 01:28:48,640
Speaker 1: can point to game plan stuff, you can point to

1851
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:53,040
Speaker 1: personnel decisions. It's down bad all of it. And at

1852
01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:56,679
Speaker 1: this point, I'm running out of things, and I can't

1853
01:28:56,720 --> 01:28:59,680
Speaker 1: believe I'm saying this about Bill Belichick. I'm running out

1854
01:28:59,680 --> 01:29:03,439
Speaker 1: of things to say that he helps this football team with.

1855
01:29:05,080 --> 01:29:07,920
Speaker 1: If you can tell me one thing that you really

1856
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:12,439
Speaker 1: think that he is helping them contributing to winning on

1857
01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:14,360
Speaker 1: this football team, I'm all years.

1858
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:17,559
Speaker 2: Miguel Ben's in very well time tweet right now. How

1859
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:19,880
Speaker 2: many right tackles do you think Matt starting right tackles

1860
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:21,679
Speaker 2: you think Mac Jones is played with with his time

1861
01:29:21,680 --> 01:29:22,760
Speaker 2: in the Patriots?

1862
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:28,160
Speaker 1: Oh god, ten? Yes, actually, yeah, nailed it? You want to? Yes?

1863
01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:33,800
Speaker 1: Oh boy? Isaiah Win, yep, that's one, Godneka just yep.

1864
01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:40,880
Speaker 1: Marcus Cannon, Calvin Anderson, Vederian Lowe, Oh man, I don't know.

1865
01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:47,400
Speaker 1: Trent Brown, yep, you got one more from last year,

1866
01:29:47,400 --> 01:29:52,000
Speaker 1: and then it's all twenty one guys. Oh god, who's

1867
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:53,639
Speaker 1: the one from last year? It's like on the tip

1868
01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:58,439
Speaker 1: of my tongue. It's killing me. Who is it? Connor McDermott. Ah, yeah,

1869
01:29:58,720 --> 01:29:59,680
Speaker 1: I knew, I knew who it was.

1870
01:29:59,640 --> 01:30:02,960
Speaker 2: All right, the rest justin Hran Yanni could just and

1871
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:05,120
Speaker 2: Mike and Win. I said, y oh did you who

1872
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:05,559
Speaker 2: did I miss?

1873
01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:06,040
Speaker 1: Trent Brown?

1874
01:30:06,040 --> 01:30:06,160
Speaker 2: Oh?

1875
01:30:06,160 --> 01:30:10,400
Speaker 1: You see your drant? Yes? Oh god, god, what a list.

1876
01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:12,720
Speaker 1: It's in three years, less than three years, really to

1877
01:30:12,880 --> 01:30:14,800
Speaker 1: and change a two and a quarter?

1878
01:30:15,439 --> 01:30:18,479
Speaker 2: Oh god, all right, that's a new right tackle every

1879
01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:19,679
Speaker 2: three games.

1880
01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:22,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Who's who's your last down?

1881
01:30:22,920 --> 01:30:23,000
Speaker 3: No?

1882
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:24,519
Speaker 1: That was it? You only have? Yeah?

1883
01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:27,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you have three offense defense Qecially coaching. I

1884
01:30:27,080 --> 01:30:28,800
Speaker 2: feel like I kind of wrapped it in with all

1885
01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:29,080
Speaker 2: of it.

1886
01:30:30,040 --> 01:30:32,559
Speaker 1: How do you like? Genuine question? Because I you know,

1887
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:37,040
Speaker 1: this is what we do. Yeah, And what's up?

1888
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:37,320
Speaker 2: Like?

1889
01:30:37,360 --> 01:30:39,479
Speaker 1: What do you think is wrong with Chad Ryland? Like

1890
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:41,840
Speaker 1: do you think it's just simply that he's been asked

1891
01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:44,080
Speaker 1: to kick a lot of forty eight plus the arders

1892
01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:46,559
Speaker 1: and I can't say fifty plus anymore? Yeah, No, it's

1893
01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:48,280
Speaker 1: it's a lot of little things. I think.

1894
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:50,599
Speaker 2: You know, you had the bad snaps, and first of all,

1895
01:30:50,600 --> 01:30:52,160
Speaker 2: you had he didn't really get a chance to kick

1896
01:30:52,160 --> 01:30:55,879
Speaker 2: in the preseason and it's wild, right, which that helps.

1897
01:30:56,840 --> 01:30:58,960
Speaker 2: You had the bad snaps, the bad field in New York,

1898
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:01,160
Speaker 2: and you wonder if it all just kind of compounds,

1899
01:31:01,160 --> 01:31:03,400
Speaker 2: and it's like, you know, he kind of didn't have

1900
01:31:03,520 --> 01:31:05,599
Speaker 2: he didn't kick really in games for a few months,

1901
01:31:05,640 --> 01:31:08,240
Speaker 2: and then his first game action was rough. And now

1902
01:31:08,240 --> 01:31:10,599
Speaker 2: maybe he's in his head and he hasn't exactly had

1903
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:12,519
Speaker 2: a lay up to get back going right. It's not

1904
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:15,040
Speaker 2: like he's gotten like a twenty five thirty five year

1905
01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:17,559
Speaker 2: old five yard chip shot to sort of just see

1906
01:31:17,560 --> 01:31:20,000
Speaker 2: one go through. I don't think he's a bad kicker,

1907
01:31:20,400 --> 01:31:23,160
Speaker 2: but it's so mental at that position, and I wonder

1908
01:31:23,160 --> 01:31:24,840
Speaker 2: if that stuff's all just starting the layer up.

1909
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:27,200
Speaker 1: Oh God, just add it to another the list of

1910
01:31:27,280 --> 01:31:29,439
Speaker 1: things that are not going well for this team. All right,

1911
01:31:29,479 --> 01:31:31,599
Speaker 1: let's get back to the phones. Dan is in New York.

1912
01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:32,200
Speaker 1: What's up, Dan?

1913
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Speaker 7: Hey, guys, can you hear me?

1914
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Speaker 1: Yep?

1915
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Speaker 6: Yes, yeah.

1916
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Speaker 7: So I just wanted to say that I feel like

1917
01:31:39,479 --> 01:31:41,679
Speaker 7: this weekend's game is pretty big in the sense that

1918
01:31:42,040 --> 01:31:44,360
Speaker 7: if we lose, it's just going to be spiral effect.

1919
01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:46,759
Speaker 7: I mean, got Buffalo in Miami after that, and then

1920
01:31:47,720 --> 01:31:50,200
Speaker 7: and after the Commanders and Colt is not a gimme,

1921
01:31:50,320 --> 01:31:52,800
Speaker 7: So going into the by potentially there's a good chance

1922
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:54,600
Speaker 7: of you or two and eight, one and nine and

1923
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:57,559
Speaker 7: three and seven. So at that point, do you guys

1924
01:31:57,600 --> 01:31:59,640
Speaker 7: think that we should embrace the full timeway. What's the

1925
01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:01,719
Speaker 7: status of the team then, like, are they even until

1926
01:32:01,720 --> 01:32:05,439
Speaker 7: we committed or yeah, very hypothetical. I think it's a

1927
01:32:05,439 --> 01:32:06,320
Speaker 7: good chance happening.

1928
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:08,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, if they're like one to nine one. Thanks

1929
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Speaker 1: for the call, Dan, so h embracing the tank, I

1930
01:32:11,400 --> 01:32:13,479
Speaker 1: don't really know. You know, we've talked about this in

1931
01:32:13,560 --> 01:32:15,800
Speaker 1: terms of like tanking comes from the top down.

1932
01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:17,880
Speaker 2: It's it's a goofy thing you can do as fans,

1933
01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:20,120
Speaker 2: but the team will never Guys on the team aren't

1934
01:32:20,120 --> 01:32:23,120
Speaker 2: gonna I'd say they're not gonna quit. But like, guys

1935
01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:25,519
Speaker 2: are still playing for future jobs, future contracts, Guys are

1936
01:32:25,560 --> 01:32:26,559
Speaker 2: coaching for future jobs.

1937
01:32:26,680 --> 01:32:29,240
Speaker 1: So I think that the biggest thing. And you know,

1938
01:32:29,320 --> 01:32:32,000
Speaker 1: I don't usually get into this to the to the

1939
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:36,040
Speaker 1: psyche too much, but in this in these moments, you

1940
01:32:36,120 --> 01:32:38,160
Speaker 1: kind of have to. Yeah, and I think the biggest

1941
01:32:38,160 --> 01:32:40,600
Speaker 1: thing that I'm interested in when we go to to

1942
01:32:40,680 --> 01:32:44,040
Speaker 1: Vegas this weekend, back to Vegas again, you get to

1943
01:32:44,040 --> 01:32:51,800
Speaker 1: go to luxow see the beam? God, Uh buy in?

1944
01:32:52,120 --> 01:32:56,719
Speaker 1: Like want to will who's pulling on the rope? Because

1945
01:32:57,720 --> 01:33:01,960
Speaker 1: you don't lose seventy three in a two week span

1946
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:05,320
Speaker 1: on talent alone. You don't lose like that on talent alone. Right,

1947
01:33:05,479 --> 01:33:08,280
Speaker 1: You lose on that because you're not They're not. Everybody's

1948
01:33:08,520 --> 01:33:12,840
Speaker 1: is giving it one hundred and ten percent. So this

1949
01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:16,639
Speaker 1: is a really big test in my mind because you're

1950
01:33:16,640 --> 01:33:19,840
Speaker 1: going to Vegas, You're going on a six hour flight

1951
01:33:20,160 --> 01:33:23,400
Speaker 1: across the country. Uh, you're leaving a day earlier than

1952
01:33:23,439 --> 01:33:28,880
Speaker 1: normal because of the long fight. So this is a

1953
01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:30,720
Speaker 1: little bit of like a weekend, right, It's a little

1954
01:33:30,720 --> 01:33:33,160
Speaker 1: bit of a trip, Like we're not just going for

1955
01:33:33,160 --> 01:33:38,879
Speaker 1: for you know, twenty four hours and coming home. Who's

1956
01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:42,280
Speaker 1: who wants to play on Sunday? And is there enough

1957
01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:44,479
Speaker 1: guys in that locker room right now that want to

1958
01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:46,839
Speaker 1: play on Sunday and want to fight for the season

1959
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:49,200
Speaker 1: and want to try to pull out of this where

1960
01:33:49,320 --> 01:33:51,639
Speaker 1: they have that kind of effort or do they lay

1961
01:33:51,640 --> 01:33:54,280
Speaker 1: another egg? Because if they lay another egg, then I'm

1962
01:33:54,320 --> 01:33:56,160
Speaker 1: starting to get with you on the fact that in

1963
01:33:56,280 --> 01:34:00,799
Speaker 1: season firing is on the table. If they chose some fight. Uh,

1964
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:04,720
Speaker 1: and they show Gofer did they win? Like, you know,

1965
01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:08,439
Speaker 1: I think that that's pos Like, then that's showing you something, right, Yeah,

1966
01:34:08,479 --> 01:34:11,600
Speaker 1: But this is to me, before we get to schemes

1967
01:34:11,640 --> 01:34:13,439
Speaker 1: and we're gonna do key matchups here in a second,

1968
01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:15,600
Speaker 1: before we get to matchups and x's and o's and

1969
01:34:16,120 --> 01:34:20,040
Speaker 1: game plans and things like that against the Raiders, the

1970
01:34:20,040 --> 01:34:22,360
Speaker 1: biggest thing is is do they even want to freaking

1971
01:34:22,439 --> 01:34:23,439
Speaker 1: be there or not?

1972
01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:23,680
Speaker 4: Right?

1973
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's fair.

1974
01:34:26,240 --> 01:34:27,960
Speaker 2: I would just to the second part of that question,

1975
01:34:28,080 --> 01:34:30,040
Speaker 2: like what do you look for if it gets to

1976
01:34:30,040 --> 01:34:30,400
Speaker 2: that point?

1977
01:34:30,439 --> 01:34:31,960
Speaker 1: If it does? Yeah?

1978
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:33,320
Speaker 2: Uh, And we kind of talked about it earlier, like

1979
01:34:33,360 --> 01:34:35,800
Speaker 2: how do the kids look the guys who you know

1980
01:34:35,880 --> 01:34:39,080
Speaker 2: are gonna be here if they reset it, Kean White,

1981
01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:43,519
Speaker 2: Marte Maphu, Taekwon, Thornton, Tomorrio, Douglas Kashawan, Boody, the rookie lineman. Uh,

1982
01:34:43,640 --> 01:34:45,600
Speaker 2: maybe Andrew Steuber gets some run like these are the

1983
01:34:45,640 --> 01:34:48,400
Speaker 2: Collie Cunningham. These you're just kind of looking to see,

1984
01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:49,720
Speaker 2: all right, are any of these guys part of the

1985
01:34:49,720 --> 01:34:53,519
Speaker 2: plan moving forward? Or like can any of them help

1986
01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:54,720
Speaker 2: you build this thing back up?

1987
01:34:54,840 --> 01:34:56,920
Speaker 1: Or where do you really need to go? And address. Yeah,

1988
01:34:56,960 --> 01:34:59,519
Speaker 1: all right, Gene is in South Carolina. What's up? Gene?

1989
01:35:01,439 --> 01:35:02,400
Speaker 3: Hey you guys hear me up?

1990
01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:07,600
Speaker 1: Yep, we're gould Oh.

1991
01:35:07,400 --> 01:35:09,000
Speaker 8: Jump speak your phone?

1992
01:35:09,160 --> 01:35:09,600
Speaker 3: Do you hear me?

1993
01:35:09,920 --> 01:35:10,120
Speaker 1: Yes?

1994
01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:15,559
Speaker 8: So, just I know, I'm just a fan, but it's

1995
01:35:15,560 --> 01:35:17,720
Speaker 8: just an idea for you guys. I was curious what

1996
01:35:17,760 --> 01:35:20,519
Speaker 8: you guys thought. So I know they talk about people

1997
01:35:20,600 --> 01:35:26,000
Speaker 8: not having or the players not having any uh any

1998
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:31,160
Speaker 8: confidence in Mac, So why couldn't we You know, DeVante Parker,

1999
01:35:31,360 --> 01:35:33,439
Speaker 8: he's missed a couple of Condessa baskets that I think

2000
01:35:33,479 --> 01:35:36,080
Speaker 8: he could have caught, and he just I just didn't

2001
01:35:36,120 --> 01:35:39,639
Speaker 8: think he like tried like he was better last year

2002
01:35:39,760 --> 01:35:43,360
Speaker 8: and then juju, I mean, obviously just missed communication. We

2003
01:35:43,400 --> 01:35:45,040
Speaker 8: can go on. I listen to you guys talk about

2004
01:35:45,040 --> 01:35:47,760
Speaker 8: it all the time. The tight ends work with work

2005
01:35:47,800 --> 01:35:51,120
Speaker 8: with him. Why not just bring cunning him up and

2006
01:35:51,240 --> 01:35:54,040
Speaker 8: use Booty and you just Douglas when he's not hurt

2007
01:35:54,760 --> 01:35:57,679
Speaker 8: and and just go with these younger receivers and try

2008
01:35:57,680 --> 01:35:59,519
Speaker 8: to build something on that. But Mac, he's like Mac

2009
01:35:59,560 --> 01:36:01,240
Speaker 8: has a better relationship with the younger.

2010
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:05,920
Speaker 1: Receivers anyway, Okay, yeah, thanks for the college. Interesting. I

2011
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:09,559
Speaker 1: don't know about the younger receivers versus older receivers thing.

2012
01:36:11,320 --> 01:36:14,240
Speaker 1: I will tell you this. If your idea of bringing

2013
01:36:14,280 --> 01:36:17,840
Speaker 1: Malik Cunningham up is to put in a Taysom Hill

2014
01:36:17,920 --> 01:36:20,439
Speaker 1: package and just give you that option on offense to

2015
01:36:20,479 --> 01:36:23,400
Speaker 1: maybe run him a little bit like that, fine, I

2016
01:36:23,439 --> 01:36:28,200
Speaker 1: have no interest in MALIEK Cunningham playing receiver in the game. None.

2017
01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:31,800
Speaker 1: If you want him to play wildcat quarterback and add

2018
01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:34,640
Speaker 1: that element, because you can't move the ball anyway, so

2019
01:36:34,680 --> 01:36:37,040
Speaker 1: you might as well try it, I can hear that.

2020
01:36:37,160 --> 01:36:39,160
Speaker 1: But if you're asking me to play Milie Cuttingham at

2021
01:36:39,160 --> 01:36:42,640
Speaker 1: wide receiver, I'm out. That's where I'm at. Right, Do

2022
01:36:42,680 --> 01:36:43,360
Speaker 1: you disagree?

2023
01:36:44,840 --> 01:36:48,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not opposed to the idea, like long term

2024
01:36:48,560 --> 01:36:50,320
Speaker 2: of him being a wide receiver, but I just from

2025
01:36:50,360 --> 01:36:51,800
Speaker 2: what we saw in the summer, he's not close enough

2026
01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:53,400
Speaker 2: he had to play that position in the NFL game.

2027
01:36:53,479 --> 01:36:55,639
Speaker 1: Not even close. All right, let's get into the Raiders

2028
01:36:55,640 --> 01:36:58,360
Speaker 1: a little bit. This Raiders game, I think is in

2029
01:36:58,400 --> 01:37:03,040
Speaker 1: a lot of ways like the Saints and that, and

2030
01:37:03,120 --> 01:37:05,120
Speaker 1: I feel like this is true almost every week. Not

2031
01:37:05,200 --> 01:37:09,040
Speaker 1: to pick on a scap here, but if you were

2032
01:37:09,160 --> 01:37:12,320
Speaker 1: to like rank the rosters, Raiders have a better roster.

2033
01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:15,439
Speaker 1: They have better They have a better top of the

2034
01:37:15,520 --> 01:37:19,080
Speaker 1: roster than the Patriots. The Patriots don't have a Max Crosby.

2035
01:37:19,200 --> 01:37:21,600
Speaker 1: Well they do, but he's hurt. The Patriots don't have

2036
01:37:21,640 --> 01:37:24,200
Speaker 1: a DeVante Adams, correct they I don't think they have

2037
01:37:24,240 --> 01:37:30,000
Speaker 1: a Josh Jacobs, No, sob Myers, and they don't have

2038
01:37:30,080 --> 01:37:34,880
Speaker 1: Jacoby Myers, so they don't. The Raiders have better top

2039
01:37:34,960 --> 01:37:39,120
Speaker 1: end talent than you do, so in that respect, it

2040
01:37:39,160 --> 01:37:40,880
Speaker 1: makes it tough for me to pick the Patriots in

2041
01:37:40,960 --> 01:37:45,120
Speaker 1: this game because I think pretty much everything else is equal,

2042
01:37:45,880 --> 01:37:48,960
Speaker 1: but they have a few more game changers than you do,

2043
01:37:49,040 --> 01:37:51,400
Speaker 1: and that's what's going to tilt the scales to the Raiders.

2044
01:37:51,960 --> 01:37:53,720
Speaker 1: With that being said, though I do think that this

2045
01:37:53,880 --> 01:37:56,640
Speaker 1: is a winnable game. It comes back to what I

2046
01:37:56,680 --> 01:37:59,720
Speaker 1: said earlier about do they want to win? Do they

2047
01:37:59,720 --> 01:38:02,559
Speaker 1: even want to be there? That's gonna be a factor

2048
01:38:05,439 --> 01:38:08,040
Speaker 1: I think in general with the Raiders, there's there's two

2049
01:38:08,080 --> 01:38:12,280
Speaker 1: things that really stand out to me. One, obviously, Max

2050
01:38:12,320 --> 01:38:14,320
Speaker 1: Crosby is one of the best players in the league.

2051
01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:20,080
Speaker 1: His film is just ridiculous, Like the guy combines the

2052
01:38:20,160 --> 01:38:26,840
Speaker 1: relentless motor with skill and block anticipation, and the ability

2053
01:38:26,920 --> 01:38:29,600
Speaker 1: to against the run and the pass like he's I

2054
01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:32,040
Speaker 1: think that's what makes him so rare is that there's

2055
01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:33,760
Speaker 1: a lot of guys that can rush the passer in

2056
01:38:33,800 --> 01:38:36,719
Speaker 1: the NFL a lot. There's not a lot of guys

2057
01:38:36,760 --> 01:38:39,000
Speaker 1: that can play the run as well as Max Crosby can.

2058
01:38:39,120 --> 01:38:42,519
Speaker 1: He does both of them at an elite level. He

2059
01:38:42,600 --> 01:38:46,559
Speaker 1: completely ruined the game for the Green Bay Packers on

2060
01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:48,280
Speaker 1: Monday Night. I think he did it for Steelers too

2061
01:38:48,320 --> 01:38:51,400
Speaker 1: the other week. Yeah, completely took the game over. So

2062
01:38:52,120 --> 01:38:55,760
Speaker 1: he can do that against his patriotsy, he certainly can

2063
01:38:55,920 --> 01:39:00,880
Speaker 1: against this offensive line. So that's number one. And number

2064
01:39:00,880 --> 01:39:04,160
Speaker 1: two to me is that I think that if you

2065
01:39:04,280 --> 01:39:07,840
Speaker 1: get too caught up in all the weapons that the

2066
01:39:07,960 --> 01:39:12,800
Speaker 1: Raiders have, you are gonna get overwhelmed by trying to

2067
01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:18,280
Speaker 1: solve plug holes defensively. Uh, it's Adams is tough, right,

2068
01:39:18,320 --> 01:39:21,280
Speaker 1: Like Adams the best receiver in football, maybe you know

2069
01:39:21,479 --> 01:39:24,360
Speaker 1: he's top five. Certainly looks a little compromise to me

2070
01:39:24,439 --> 01:39:26,439
Speaker 1: with that shoulder like I didn't think he looked like

2071
01:39:26,520 --> 01:39:31,559
Speaker 1: he was as good. And that's where other guys get

2072
01:39:31,560 --> 01:39:34,000
Speaker 1: open off of that. So then you have that, and

2073
01:39:34,040 --> 01:39:37,080
Speaker 1: then you have the run game, which I've always touted McDaniels.

2074
01:39:37,120 --> 01:39:38,960
Speaker 1: I still even though there are numbers and their production

2075
01:39:39,040 --> 01:39:41,080
Speaker 1: isn't quite as good as last year in the Run game,

2076
01:39:41,400 --> 01:39:43,160
Speaker 1: I still think that they design it really well and

2077
01:39:43,560 --> 01:39:46,519
Speaker 1: Josh Jacob is a good runner. So you have the

2078
01:39:46,600 --> 01:39:49,400
Speaker 1: run Game and then you also have their their their slots,

2079
01:39:49,479 --> 01:39:53,240
Speaker 1: Jacoby Meyers, Hunter, renfro Uh, those guys. So I think

2080
01:39:53,280 --> 01:39:58,280
Speaker 1: if you try to play, you know, the game plan

2081
01:39:58,400 --> 01:40:01,320
Speaker 1: is we're gonna till coverage to Adams and we're gonna

2082
01:40:01,320 --> 01:40:03,040
Speaker 1: do this and we're gonna stop to run with you know,

2083
01:40:03,120 --> 01:40:05,240
Speaker 1: seven in the box, and like, I think that you're

2084
01:40:05,240 --> 01:40:08,720
Speaker 1: gonna get overwhelmed by trying to plug holes. The one

2085
01:40:08,760 --> 01:40:11,320
Speaker 1: thing that you can do. They'll like, you know, to

2086
01:40:11,439 --> 01:40:14,160
Speaker 1: use a Star Wars reference, because you know a big

2087
01:40:14,160 --> 01:40:17,519
Speaker 1: Star Wars guy the uh the spot and the death

2088
01:40:17,560 --> 01:40:20,120
Speaker 1: Star that you can shoot at. Well, that's appropriate because

2089
01:40:20,120 --> 01:40:21,639
Speaker 1: as we call it, their stadium is the death Star.

2090
01:40:22,160 --> 01:40:24,680
Speaker 1: You maybe Mac canhelp me. What's it called, like the

2091
01:40:24,680 --> 01:40:30,200
Speaker 1: thing that that they shoot in ventilats that ventilationship. Yeah, yeah,

2092
01:40:30,560 --> 01:40:34,200
Speaker 1: the ventilations shaft of the Raiders death Star is the

2093
01:40:34,280 --> 01:40:40,200
Speaker 1: quarterback is Jimmy Jimmy. Jimmy Garoppolo is beatable, right like

2094
01:40:40,240 --> 01:40:42,960
Speaker 1: you can you can beat no but Evan. But Evan

2095
01:40:43,040 --> 01:40:46,519
Speaker 1: he's a winner. Have you seen his record? So Jimmy,

2096
01:40:47,240 --> 01:40:51,920
Speaker 1: uh is? The game plan against Jimmy is very very

2097
01:40:51,920 --> 01:40:55,840
Speaker 1: cut and dry, right like he his his splits. Whether

2098
01:40:55,880 --> 01:40:57,280
Speaker 1: you want to watch the film or you want to

2099
01:40:57,320 --> 01:41:00,479
Speaker 1: look at the numbers, his his splits tell the story.

2100
01:41:01,280 --> 01:41:05,400
Speaker 1: Pressure no pressure in breakers all other rats. If you

2101
01:41:05,400 --> 01:41:07,519
Speaker 1: take away the middle of the field and you pressure

2102
01:41:07,560 --> 01:41:12,000
Speaker 1: the quarterback, he will self destruct. Yeah, point blank. So

2103
01:41:12,439 --> 01:41:16,679
Speaker 1: in my mind, in this game, it's all about throwing

2104
01:41:16,720 --> 01:41:19,760
Speaker 1: off Jimmy because if you just let him sit back

2105
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:21,800
Speaker 1: there and he let him throw his digs and his

2106
01:41:21,920 --> 01:41:25,320
Speaker 1: slants and his you know, crossing routes and things like that,

2107
01:41:25,720 --> 01:41:28,919
Speaker 1: their weapons are going to move the ball. Their weapons

2108
01:41:28,920 --> 01:41:31,559
Speaker 1: are good. They're gonna move the ball. If you get

2109
01:41:31,640 --> 01:41:34,880
Speaker 1: Jimmy to throw up all over himself, then you have

2110
01:41:34,960 --> 01:41:37,799
Speaker 1: a chance. So if I'm the Patriots, I'm game planning Jimmy,

2111
01:41:38,280 --> 01:41:41,640
Speaker 1: I'm pressuring the quarterback. I'm this is basically what they

2112
01:41:41,640 --> 01:41:44,559
Speaker 1: did last year. Yeah, I'm I'm packing the box in

2113
01:41:44,600 --> 01:41:47,160
Speaker 1: the middle of the field, right because that kills two

2114
01:41:47,160 --> 01:41:49,320
Speaker 1: birds with one stokeus top the run and I'm gonna

2115
01:41:49,320 --> 01:41:51,280
Speaker 1: take away the middle of the field and I'm gonna

2116
01:41:51,280 --> 01:41:54,639
Speaker 1: make Jimmy Garoppolo beat me down the field and outside

2117
01:41:54,640 --> 01:41:56,720
Speaker 1: the numbers like that. That's where I'm gonna make him

2118
01:41:56,720 --> 01:41:59,280
Speaker 1: beat me. And if he does, you tip your cap

2119
01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:02,600
Speaker 1: and unfortunately you lost, right But that but that's the

2120
01:42:02,640 --> 01:42:03,799
Speaker 1: way that the cookie crumbles.

2121
01:42:04,320 --> 01:42:04,439
Speaker 4: Uh.

2122
01:42:04,560 --> 01:42:06,280
Speaker 1: That That's where I'm at with this Raiders game. I

2123
01:42:06,280 --> 01:42:08,720
Speaker 1: think it's winnable. I'm not picking the Patriots because they

2124
01:42:08,840 --> 01:42:10,640
Speaker 1: I picked the Patriots the last two weeks for some

2125
01:42:10,880 --> 01:42:15,439
Speaker 1: God only knows what reason, and they embarrass me both times.

2126
01:42:15,479 --> 01:42:17,840
Speaker 1: So I'm not taking the Patriots. But if I'm the

2127
01:42:17,840 --> 01:42:24,720
Speaker 1: Patriots in this game, I worry about how can I

2128
01:42:23,400 --> 01:42:26,840
Speaker 1: I I might not be able to stop DeVante Adams, right,

2129
01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:30,040
Speaker 1: like Chrischi Gonzales, I don't have a Durell Reeves Stefan

2130
01:42:30,120 --> 01:42:32,720
Speaker 1: Gilmour to go out there and stop DeVante Adams. But

2131
01:42:32,760 --> 01:42:34,719
Speaker 1: if the guy who's throwing the ball at Devonte Adams

2132
01:42:34,760 --> 01:42:37,000
Speaker 1: can't get him the ball, then I'm in in good shape.

2133
01:42:37,200 --> 01:42:40,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I isn't isn't the game playing the

2134
01:42:40,720 --> 01:42:43,800
Speaker 2: same against the Patriots. Yeah, right, and and that's where

2135
01:42:43,800 --> 01:42:46,080
Speaker 2: all right, So you gotta pressure the quarterback, you got

2136
01:42:46,080 --> 01:42:48,160
Speaker 2: to take away the number one receiver, you gotta take

2137
01:42:48,160 --> 01:42:50,800
Speaker 2: away the middle of the field. Patriots might be better,

2138
01:42:50,840 --> 01:42:52,840
Speaker 2: Quip takeaway the middle of field with their safeties. But

2139
01:42:53,400 --> 01:42:59,120
Speaker 2: you're talking about Max Crosby and Marcus Peters versus josh

2140
01:42:59,200 --> 01:43:03,080
Speaker 2: U Chay and Chay Jackson essentially Devonte Adams. You mean no, no, no,

2141
01:43:03,120 --> 01:43:07,320
Speaker 2: I'm saying the two guys. If both defenses are gonna

2142
01:43:07,320 --> 01:43:09,479
Speaker 2: go with the same thing, right, it's who's going to

2143
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:12,200
Speaker 2: execute their assignments at a higher level. Is it Max

2144
01:43:12,240 --> 01:43:15,200
Speaker 2: Crosby and Marcus Peters or is it josh Uchay.

2145
01:43:14,880 --> 01:43:15,240
Speaker 4: And j C.

2146
01:43:15,400 --> 01:43:18,880
Speaker 1: Jackson. Yeah, And if that's the key, j C. Jackson

2147
01:43:18,920 --> 01:43:21,240
Speaker 1: Marcus Peters might be kind of close interchangeable. Yeah.

2148
01:43:21,400 --> 01:43:24,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think Max Crosby takes this game over.

2149
01:43:24,840 --> 01:43:26,080
Speaker 2: I just I just don't see how he doesn't.

2150
01:43:26,160 --> 01:43:29,040
Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm with you. I think that's more than fair.

2151
01:43:29,600 --> 01:43:31,720
Speaker 1: The other kind of big picture matchup thing before we

2152
01:43:31,760 --> 01:43:35,200
Speaker 1: get into the little matchups, big picture matchup thing. This

2153
01:43:35,600 --> 01:43:37,639
Speaker 1: it's funny. I think Fred put it the other day

2154
01:43:37,680 --> 01:43:41,000
Speaker 1: that normally we talk about like two really good teams,

2155
01:43:41,040 --> 01:43:43,240
Speaker 1: and like it's like strength on strength, right, Like it's

2156
01:43:43,240 --> 01:43:46,080
Speaker 1: like great offense against great offense. They're great defense against

2157
01:43:46,080 --> 01:43:50,479
Speaker 1: great defense. This is a weakness on weakness. Okay, So

2158
01:43:50,640 --> 01:43:53,559
Speaker 1: this is basically a big part of this game to me.

2159
01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:56,960
Speaker 1: And who might win this game is who stinks less

2160
01:43:57,280 --> 01:44:02,759
Speaker 1: in this category in man coverage or the Patriots against

2161
01:44:02,800 --> 01:44:05,519
Speaker 1: man coverage. Who doesn't screw the pooch?

2162
01:44:05,760 --> 01:44:05,960
Speaker 4: Right?

2163
01:44:06,080 --> 01:44:10,400
Speaker 1: Because the Raiders right now dead lass in the league

2164
01:44:10,520 --> 01:44:13,599
Speaker 1: in most statistics in man coverage as a defense man

2165
01:44:13,640 --> 01:44:16,560
Speaker 1: to man defense. They think they're giving up over in

2166
01:44:16,640 --> 01:44:18,960
Speaker 1: nine yards per past attempt in man this season, right,

2167
01:44:19,000 --> 01:44:21,599
Speaker 1: by far the most in the league. The Patriots are

2168
01:44:21,640 --> 01:44:24,479
Speaker 1: by far the worst man coverage offense in the league.

2169
01:44:24,479 --> 01:44:29,040
Speaker 1: They can't win against man coverage. So who makes more

2170
01:44:29,080 --> 01:44:32,679
Speaker 1: plays the Raiders defensive backs or the Patriots receivers against

2171
01:44:32,680 --> 01:44:33,200
Speaker 1: man coverage.

2172
01:44:33,200 --> 01:44:35,320
Speaker 2: Well that kind of goes into mine where I'm curious

2173
01:44:35,600 --> 01:44:39,400
Speaker 2: what it looks like without Juju and Tomaro Douglas. Right,

2174
01:44:39,560 --> 01:44:42,719
Speaker 2: Juju's a fifty eight percent used to drake guy. Douglas

2175
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:44,760
Speaker 2: is twenty five. But Douglas is like ten percent of

2176
01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:46,880
Speaker 2: all their receiving yards this year in just twenty five

2177
01:44:46,880 --> 01:44:50,960
Speaker 2: percent of the snaps. Is it Taekwon, is it Kaishaun

2178
01:44:51,040 --> 01:44:54,439
Speaker 2: Boody or are you can get more Jalen Rager. Honestly,

2179
01:44:54,479 --> 01:44:56,680
Speaker 2: it wouldn't surprise me, and Evans is probably gonna annoy you.

2180
01:44:56,720 --> 01:44:59,640
Speaker 2: But I wonder if we just get a ton of twelve.

2181
01:45:00,080 --> 01:45:02,679
Speaker 2: We just get a ton of twelve personnel with Kendrick

2182
01:45:02,680 --> 01:45:05,759
Speaker 2: Born and Devonte Parker and they're just putting Faroh Brown

2183
01:45:05,800 --> 01:45:08,160
Speaker 2: in the game a lot to counter Max Crosby. Yeah,

2184
01:45:08,240 --> 01:45:10,160
Speaker 2: instead of having that third receiver on the field with

2185
01:45:10,200 --> 01:45:13,160
Speaker 2: guys banged up. I would like to see Kijon Booty.

2186
01:45:13,200 --> 01:45:15,320
Speaker 2: I think you probably should see Taekwon Thorn a good amount,

2187
01:45:15,680 --> 01:45:18,040
Speaker 2: especially without Douglas, because he gives you that speed element.

2188
01:45:19,160 --> 01:45:20,400
Speaker 1: There'll be a little bit of all of that.

2189
01:45:20,520 --> 01:45:22,519
Speaker 2: But I would not be surprised if we see a

2190
01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:25,000
Speaker 2: ton of twelve in this game, essentially just with the

2191
01:45:25,040 --> 01:45:26,960
Speaker 2: six offensive tackle in Pharaoh Brown.

2192
01:45:27,280 --> 01:45:29,160
Speaker 1: I like that. I think that that's a big part

2193
01:45:29,200 --> 01:45:32,479
Speaker 1: of this game. Like when you talk about one are

2194
01:45:32,479 --> 01:45:37,120
Speaker 1: the scheme tweaks that they can make Max protect keep

2195
01:45:37,160 --> 01:45:41,120
Speaker 1: everybody in right right, Like just seven guys in the

2196
01:45:41,120 --> 01:45:43,479
Speaker 1: protection eight guys in the protection whatever you want to

2197
01:45:43,520 --> 01:45:46,960
Speaker 1: call that with the running back. Seven man protect, eight

2198
01:45:47,000 --> 01:45:52,160
Speaker 1: man protect, play action, two man route combinations not We

2199
01:45:52,160 --> 01:45:54,559
Speaker 1: talked about this a little bit last year. A lot

2200
01:45:54,560 --> 01:45:57,080
Speaker 1: of bit I should say, was Zappi right, Like, not

2201
01:45:57,120 --> 01:46:00,200
Speaker 1: only does it protect the quarterback, but it also so

2202
01:46:00,240 --> 01:46:03,679
Speaker 1: simplifies the read for Mac. He's basically reading one route,

2203
01:46:04,800 --> 01:46:08,599
Speaker 1: right so, and really more in reality, is really really

2204
01:46:08,720 --> 01:46:11,160
Speaker 1: reading one player and that's the deep safety. But the

2205
01:46:11,200 --> 01:46:13,760
Speaker 1: deep safety plays the post. He's throwing the crosser. The

2206
01:46:13,760 --> 01:46:16,960
Speaker 1: deep safety jumps the crosser, he's throwing the post. Like

2207
01:46:17,040 --> 01:46:20,440
Speaker 1: it's It's really as simple as football gets for a quarterback.

2208
01:46:21,040 --> 01:46:23,800
Speaker 1: So I I would really think that they are going

2209
01:46:23,840 --> 01:46:25,439
Speaker 1: to do a lot of that this week. Whether it's

2210
01:46:25,720 --> 01:46:27,479
Speaker 1: true they haven't. I don't think they've run a single

2211
01:46:27,479 --> 01:46:29,960
Speaker 1: snap in true six O line yet. I don't think so,

2212
01:46:30,280 --> 01:46:33,640
Speaker 1: whether it's true six to oh line or it's you know,

2213
01:46:34,080 --> 01:46:37,880
Speaker 1: twelve personnel and bowl tight end, stay in and block regardless,

2214
01:46:38,320 --> 01:46:40,000
Speaker 1: that needs to be a part of this game plan

2215
01:46:40,240 --> 01:46:40,800
Speaker 1: moving forward.

2216
01:46:40,840 --> 01:46:42,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I just think you have the perfect

2217
01:46:42,800 --> 01:46:44,680
Speaker 2: opportunity to do it this week with how banged up

2218
01:46:44,680 --> 01:46:45,280
Speaker 2: they are at receiver.

2219
01:46:45,760 --> 01:46:49,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, uh, quickly key matchups. We kind of

2220
01:46:49,840 --> 01:46:53,559
Speaker 1: mentioned this one already, Uh Varian Lover's Max Cross. Yeah,

2221
01:46:53,560 --> 01:46:55,640
Speaker 1: I thought were already doing this. Sorry, that was one

2222
01:46:55,680 --> 01:46:59,200
Speaker 1: of mine. Yeah yeah, it kind of is hian. I'm sorry,

2223
01:46:59,200 --> 01:47:03,640
Speaker 1: I don't meant to laugh, but Vedarien Low against Max Crosby, Uh,

2224
01:47:03,760 --> 01:47:06,320
Speaker 1: this is this is as big of a mismatch as

2225
01:47:06,360 --> 01:47:11,760
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons was, Like, this is a gigantic epic mismatch.

2226
01:47:12,439 --> 01:47:12,559
Speaker 2: Uh.

2227
01:47:12,800 --> 01:47:15,320
Speaker 1: I don't really know what the Patriots do other than

2228
01:47:15,360 --> 01:47:18,120
Speaker 1: trying to throw waves of bodies at Max Crosby. Again,

2229
01:47:18,200 --> 01:47:22,280
Speaker 1: twelve personnel Pharaoh Brown. Yeah, it's gotta be like Pharaoh

2230
01:47:22,280 --> 01:47:24,880
Speaker 1: Brown double teams and if they're passing, then like the

2231
01:47:24,960 --> 01:47:28,479
Speaker 1: back like goes over there to the to Crosby side too,

2232
01:47:28,800 --> 01:47:30,479
Speaker 1: and like if he gets through the two guys on

2233
01:47:30,520 --> 01:47:32,559
Speaker 1: the double team, then he's got to at least run

2234
01:47:32,600 --> 01:47:34,960
Speaker 1: over a speed bump on the way to the quarterback, right,

2235
01:47:35,000 --> 01:47:37,640
Speaker 1: Like you just have to throw waves and waves and

2236
01:47:37,720 --> 01:47:41,080
Speaker 1: waves of bodies at Max Crosby. And uh I mentioned

2237
01:47:41,080 --> 01:47:43,599
Speaker 1: this when they played Parsons, Like when you when it's

2238
01:47:43,600 --> 01:47:46,320
Speaker 1: your turn to chip them, like like freaking like lay

2239
01:47:46,320 --> 01:47:49,719
Speaker 1: into him a little bit, right, like like actually hit him. Uh,

2240
01:47:49,760 --> 01:47:52,160
Speaker 1: you gotta make him feel some of that, and you

2241
01:47:52,200 --> 01:47:55,719
Speaker 1: gotta maybe even most importantly, like gotta make him start

2242
01:47:55,720 --> 01:47:58,760
Speaker 1: looking for it right, like I'm gonna get off the ball.

2243
01:47:58,960 --> 01:48:01,280
Speaker 1: Oh wait, is it coming? Is it not? Right? And

2244
01:48:01,320 --> 01:48:04,439
Speaker 1: then that kind of that split second of indecisiveness that

2245
01:48:04,439 --> 01:48:07,599
Speaker 1: buys you time too. Uh. So you gotta throw away

2246
01:48:07,600 --> 01:48:09,760
Speaker 1: as at bodies at him. You can't leave Venderian low

2247
01:48:09,800 --> 01:48:13,360
Speaker 1: one on one against him at all, really, right in

2248
01:48:13,439 --> 01:48:15,719
Speaker 1: this game? This is a this is a tough one.

2249
01:48:15,840 --> 01:48:18,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my top one too. I mean they got

2250
01:48:18,120 --> 01:48:19,720
Speaker 2: to figure out away again. I think it's fair with

2251
01:48:19,760 --> 01:48:22,479
Speaker 2: Brown probably helps. I think shifting coverage to the right

2252
01:48:22,560 --> 01:48:25,639
Speaker 2: probably helps, but or shifting sorry blocking, Yeah, but then

2253
01:48:25,760 --> 01:48:28,840
Speaker 2: you need Trent Brown winning one on one. You need

2254
01:48:28,880 --> 01:48:32,360
Speaker 2: whoever's at left guard winning on one that creates its

2255
01:48:32,360 --> 01:48:33,479
Speaker 2: own issues within itself.

2256
01:48:33,560 --> 01:48:36,599
Speaker 1: That's why I probably would expect Riley Reef to play

2257
01:48:36,680 --> 01:48:39,880
Speaker 1: left guard, because the left side is probably gonna be

2258
01:48:39,920 --> 01:48:43,760
Speaker 1: one on one. Yeah, and so he's probably your best

2259
01:48:43,800 --> 01:48:46,479
Speaker 1: bet leaving him one on one at this point, So

2260
01:48:46,479 --> 01:48:48,960
Speaker 1: I could see that, all right. Uh, number two here,

2261
01:48:49,000 --> 01:48:52,000
Speaker 1: we haven't talked a ton about Jacoby main reason is

2262
01:48:52,200 --> 01:48:54,000
Speaker 1: because like I don't want to be taking any victory

2263
01:48:54,080 --> 01:48:55,920
Speaker 1: laws because I was dead wrong about this, So I'm

2264
01:48:55,920 --> 01:48:58,320
Speaker 1: not gonna like rag on them as like everybody else

2265
01:48:58,400 --> 01:49:01,360
Speaker 1: is about Jacoby and like really quickly like not pointing

2266
01:49:01,400 --> 01:49:04,040
Speaker 1: fingers at anybody in particular. But if you're like doing

2267
01:49:04,040 --> 01:49:06,080
Speaker 1: the Jacoby victory lap, like can we go back to

2268
01:49:06,120 --> 01:49:08,599
Speaker 1: your tweets in March and your articles in March, like

2269
01:49:08,640 --> 01:49:11,120
Speaker 1: what were you saying about to move back then? Cause

2270
01:49:11,160 --> 01:49:13,439
Speaker 1: I'm not going you know, and I'm trying not to,

2271
01:49:14,240 --> 01:49:16,439
Speaker 1: Like I'm not I was dead wrong about this too.

2272
01:49:16,960 --> 01:49:19,280
Speaker 1: So if you're gonna play revisionist history and now all

2273
01:49:19,280 --> 01:49:21,479
Speaker 1: of a sudden fast forward to now and you're gonna

2274
01:49:21,479 --> 01:49:25,400
Speaker 1: write your articles of the Patriots really screwed this one up, like, well,

2275
01:49:26,240 --> 01:49:29,519
Speaker 1: you know, did you two? You know, like you probably did.

2276
01:49:30,920 --> 01:49:33,360
Speaker 1: Jacoby versus John Jones, I think is probably gonna be

2277
01:49:33,439 --> 01:49:36,599
Speaker 1: the matchup most of the time. I would expect JC

2278
01:49:36,760 --> 01:49:41,440
Speaker 1: to stay on the on the perimeter with with DeVante Adams,

2279
01:49:42,240 --> 01:49:46,000
Speaker 1: this one's tough. I think John Jones will be fine

2280
01:49:46,200 --> 01:49:50,360
Speaker 1: in coverage on Jacoby. Jacoby obviously is a great route runner,

2281
01:49:50,760 --> 01:49:53,559
Speaker 1: good hands. We know Jacoby Uh. The one thing that

2282
01:49:53,600 --> 01:49:56,240
Speaker 1: I would be worried about in this game one of

2283
01:49:56,240 --> 01:49:59,880
Speaker 1: the odds Josh lets him throw a pass. I think

2284
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:03,080
Speaker 1: it's pretty high. Yeah, it depends on what the score

2285
01:50:03,200 --> 01:50:05,400
Speaker 1: is like if it's a close game. I don't know

2286
01:50:05,400 --> 01:50:07,240
Speaker 1: if McDaniels McDaniel's trick plays all the time.

2287
01:50:07,560 --> 01:50:09,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, that's on the table whenever, that's on the

2288
01:50:09,920 --> 01:50:12,519
Speaker 2: table whenever. I just it's gonna be just as an

2289
01:50:12,520 --> 01:50:15,320
Speaker 2: observer of the game, it's gonna be fun to watch

2290
01:50:15,400 --> 01:50:18,000
Speaker 2: Dacobe Myers and Jonathan Jones, two good players, two players

2291
01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:21,360
Speaker 2: who know each other very well, going head to head.

2292
01:50:21,720 --> 01:50:24,880
Speaker 2: I think that'll be enjoyable to watch. And this is

2293
01:50:24,880 --> 01:50:26,880
Speaker 2: a big game for Jakobe. You don't think there's a

2294
01:50:26,880 --> 01:50:29,240
Speaker 2: little extra juice for him.

2295
01:50:29,080 --> 01:50:32,439
Speaker 1: Your kid, yourself. I am interested to see what he's

2296
01:50:32,479 --> 01:50:35,280
Speaker 1: gonna do me as well. It's gonna be interesting match up,

2297
01:50:35,280 --> 01:50:40,040
Speaker 1: all right. Last one here, whether it's Colton Miller on

2298
01:50:40,080 --> 01:50:42,320
Speaker 1: the left side, Miller will be there at left tackle.

2299
01:50:42,560 --> 01:50:45,800
Speaker 1: Their right tackle situation. I think Illuminor has started over

2300
01:50:45,840 --> 01:50:48,240
Speaker 1: there most of the time, but he's hurt and Munford's

2301
01:50:48,280 --> 01:50:52,000
Speaker 1: the backup. I Either way, whoever's that right tackle because

2302
01:50:52,000 --> 01:50:55,000
Speaker 1: Colton Miller is a pretty solid player. You can rush

2303
01:50:55,040 --> 01:50:59,200
Speaker 1: on coldon Miller too, but Josh J Josh J has

2304
01:50:59,240 --> 01:51:01,680
Speaker 1: gotta get out to the quarterback a little bit. Like

2305
01:51:01,880 --> 01:51:05,439
Speaker 1: last week one Hurry really wasn't very impactful in that game.

2306
01:51:05,520 --> 01:51:08,720
Speaker 1: Didn't play a ton, but wasn't very impactful. It needs

2307
01:51:08,760 --> 01:51:12,759
Speaker 1: to be better than that. Without Judon, they need second

2308
01:51:12,760 --> 01:51:15,200
Speaker 1: half of last year josh Uja, Right, like, that's the

2309
01:51:15,760 --> 01:51:17,960
Speaker 1: player that they need to see. I know he's been

2310
01:51:17,960 --> 01:51:21,240
Speaker 1: banged up and that could be a factor, but if

2311
01:51:21,240 --> 01:51:23,320
Speaker 1: he plays a backup right tackle, even if he plays

2312
01:51:23,360 --> 01:51:25,599
Speaker 1: a lumin or who I don't really think very highly of,

2313
01:51:26,080 --> 01:51:28,240
Speaker 1: he should be able to win that matchup. And if

2314
01:51:28,240 --> 01:51:30,720
Speaker 1: they're gonna get any sort of pass rush going, it

2315
01:51:30,720 --> 01:51:34,320
Speaker 1: needs to come through josh Uja. Yeah, I'd agree with that.

2316
01:51:34,600 --> 01:51:36,639
Speaker 2: It's we've talked about this for a few weeks now

2317
01:51:36,680 --> 01:51:39,200
Speaker 2: that with Matthew Judon out, we're gonna see, right, he

2318
01:51:39,200 --> 01:51:42,639
Speaker 2: had that great end to the season last year and

2319
01:51:43,080 --> 01:51:45,560
Speaker 2: was it hey he finally figured it out, or was

2320
01:51:45,560 --> 01:51:48,840
Speaker 2: it just teams were so over compensating for what Judan

2321
01:51:48,920 --> 01:51:50,479
Speaker 2: was doing that he kind of got cut loose. Now

2322
01:51:50,479 --> 01:51:51,840
Speaker 2: we can see what he does as a number one

2323
01:51:51,840 --> 01:51:52,439
Speaker 2: pass rusher.

2324
01:51:52,520 --> 01:51:53,559
Speaker 1: Yep, you got anything else?

2325
01:51:53,640 --> 01:51:56,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bill versus Josh, Bill Belichick, Josh McDaniel's just that

2326
01:51:56,640 --> 01:51:58,880
Speaker 2: element of it, and it goes to your thing about

2327
01:51:58,880 --> 01:52:00,960
Speaker 2: the trick plays, and you know on both sides are

2328
01:52:00,960 --> 01:52:04,160
Speaker 2: gonna have some special in store. I thought, Josh out

2329
01:52:04,160 --> 01:52:06,679
Speaker 2: coach Bill last year. Josh's staff out coach Bill's staff

2330
01:52:06,720 --> 01:52:10,160
Speaker 2: last year. And yeah, you know, it's a big spot

2331
01:52:10,200 --> 01:52:12,240
Speaker 2: for Bill Belichick, Bigger than anybody. I would say, bigger

2332
01:52:12,240 --> 01:52:14,320
Speaker 2: than Mac Jones, is a big spot for Bill Belichick.

2333
01:52:14,520 --> 01:52:16,280
Speaker 2: We said last week was a big spot coming off

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Speaker 2: the worst loss of his career. He did not respond.

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Speaker 2: Does he respond this week?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it's an interesting matchup. I actually have

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Speaker 1: you know, you know, I love Josh. Yeah, and I've

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Speaker 1: actually enjoyed watching the evolution of his offense in Vegas. Uh,

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Speaker 1: he got a lot to get a lot watch a

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Speaker 1: lot of Vegas because they've played him twice. And you know,

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Speaker 1: the thing is with him, we've all I've kind of

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Speaker 1: always believed that McDaniels does McDaniels and the players. It's

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Speaker 1: on the players to adapt and fit the system. And

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Speaker 1: I think that that's been pretty true in Vegas at quarterback, right,

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Speaker 1: which I think a big reason why Derek Carr is

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Speaker 1: not there anymore.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 1: But in terms of yeah, but in terms of how

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Speaker 1: he's used the personnel, I think it has evolved quite

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Speaker 1: a bit. Like because he didn't have a Divite Adams

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Speaker 1: in New England, right, so to find ways to get

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01:53:02,920 --> 01:53:05,759
Speaker 1: Devanta Adams open, You're not going to run Devanta Adams

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Speaker 1: like he used Julian Edelman, right, Like, that just doesn't

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Speaker 1: make any sense. So I think that they have adapted

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Speaker 1: quite a bit in terms of how they attack down

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Speaker 1: the field. And they're still middle of the field offense.

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Speaker 1: There's still a gap run team. There's a little bit

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Speaker 1: more Shanahan in there now because of Jimmy I think,

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01:53:21,680 --> 01:53:24,639
Speaker 1: like a little bit more bootlegs and things like that,

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Speaker 1: and like just a little little less full back. Not

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Speaker 1: like they haven't ditched it, right, Yaka Johnson's still out there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: seventeen percent last year they were at twenty one percent,

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Speaker 1: so it's not a huge difference this year. Yeah, And

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Speaker 1: I you know, but against the Packers, that stood out

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Speaker 1: to me a little bit was that Yaka Johnson snaps

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Speaker 1: were really just like short yardage in red zone when

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Speaker 1: they were in between the twenties, they ran a lot

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Speaker 1: of twelve and they have they have Mayor obviously a

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Speaker 1: tight end, and they have a Hooper too, So they

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Speaker 1: have two tight ends that I think are are capable,

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Speaker 1: and they they've ran it a little bit differently, not

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Speaker 1: a ton differently, but a little bit differently just because

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Speaker 1: of the personnel. So he's adjusted. They're trying to get

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Speaker 1: the run game going, just like the Patriots. Josh Jacobs

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01:54:09,680 --> 01:54:11,960
Speaker 1: has not been as good. No, and that's I think

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01:54:11,960 --> 01:54:14,320
Speaker 1: a big reason why too, whether they've changed some of

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01:54:14,360 --> 01:54:16,400
Speaker 1: the blocking schemes and some of the things up front.

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Speaker 1: But that's the Raiders. I mean the Raiders. This is

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Speaker 1: an interesting game. It's the Raiders are the Raiders. The

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Speaker 1: Patriots are gonna know them well, they're gonna know Josh well,

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01:54:26,439 --> 01:54:30,080
Speaker 1: they're gonna know Patrick Graham, the defensive coordinator. Well, this

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01:54:30,160 --> 01:54:32,440
Speaker 1: comes down to to me, again not to be a

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01:54:32,480 --> 01:54:34,520
Speaker 1: broken record, but this comes down to effort, Like this

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01:54:34,600 --> 01:54:37,000
Speaker 1: comes down to want to do the Patriots want to

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01:54:37,000 --> 01:54:38,560
Speaker 1: play hard? Do they want to be there? Do they

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01:54:38,560 --> 01:54:41,120
Speaker 1: want to get a win? And the Raiders coming off

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Speaker 1: that Packers with you know, they're still in it. I

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01:54:43,440 --> 01:54:45,680
Speaker 1: think what they're two or three? You know, they're still

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Speaker 1: in it. The Patriots maybe not. Yeah, that's a thing.

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Speaker 1: That's what we got. All right. On that note, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna wrap it up and Alex and I will be

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Speaker 1: back next week to preview the Buffalo Bills and the Bills.

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Speaker 1: Are the Dolphins Bills? Is it Bills Bills? First? The

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills. Recap this game against the Raiders. Let's just

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01:55:07,520 --> 01:55:11,440
Speaker 1: hope the Patriots. Is it fair to say competitive against

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01:55:11,480 --> 01:55:13,720
Speaker 1: the Bills? Is like a win in this situation. Let's

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Speaker 1: see what happens this week. Yeah, let's see what happens

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Speaker 1: this week. Oh boy. All right, we'll see you guys

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