WEBVTT - #132 Wrongful Conviction: False Confessions - Peter Reilly

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, This is Laura and I writer. Because of COVID nineteen,

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<v Speaker 1>Steve and I recorded this episode from our homes, not

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<v Speaker 1>together in the studio. We might sound a little difference,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think the story we tell is as inspirational

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<v Speaker 1>as always be well and stay healthy. Welcome to Wrongful Conviction,

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<v Speaker 1>False Confessions. I'm Laura and I writer, and I'm Steve Drisen.

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<v Speaker 1>Today we're going to tell you our last story of

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<v Speaker 1>season one. It's about Peter Riley, one of the first

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<v Speaker 1>modern day false confessors. In nineteen seventy three, police interrogated

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen year old Peter until he started to believe he

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<v Speaker 1>was guilty of murdering his own mother, but Peter's friends

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<v Speaker 1>and neighbors believed in his innocence. Their small town campaign

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<v Speaker 1>for Peter's freedom was eventually joined by a host of

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<v Speaker 1>big name celebrities. Peter's story helped launch the movement against

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<v Speaker 1>wrongful convictions and false confessions.

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<v Speaker 2>Is buyers.

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<v Speaker 1>The work that Steve and I do to this day.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the Peter Riley case was my baptism in

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<v Speaker 2>the world of false confessions. When I learned about Peter's case,

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<v Speaker 2>it was really the first time that I even knew

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<v Speaker 2>that it was possible for police officers, through their tactics,

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<v Speaker 2>to get an innocent person to confess to a crime

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't commit, and I was fascinated by it.

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<v Speaker 1>I know the feeling. For me. It was thirty years

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<v Speaker 1>later when I watched those tapes of Brendan Dazzy's false confession.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so easy to get hooked by these stories these people,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can't walk away.

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<v Speaker 2>Peter Riley was about five or six years older than me,

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<v Speaker 2>but we grew up in the same era in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of the kind of music that we liked. Peter was

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<v Speaker 2>very into classic rock, Pink Floyd, Jethrow Toll, and Peter

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<v Speaker 2>wore his hair long, very much in the same way

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<v Speaker 2>that I wore my hair, so I felt a connection

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<v Speaker 2>to Peter. I lived in a community not unlike Peter's,

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<v Speaker 2>where people knew each other through Little League or the

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<v Speaker 2>boy Scouts, where mothers watched out for each other's kids.

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<v Speaker 2>And the more I learned about Peter's story, the more

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<v Speaker 2>I began to understand that what happened to Peter very

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<v Speaker 2>easily could have happened to me. In addition to these

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<v Speaker 2>connections that I found with Peter, This was a case

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<v Speaker 2>in a part of the country which was the birthplace

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<v Speaker 2>of false confessions in the United States, the Salem Witch Trials.

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<v Speaker 2>It sent me on an exploration, a lifelong exploration, to

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<v Speaker 2>try to figure out why it is that people would

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<v Speaker 2>confess to crimes they didn't commit.

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<v Speaker 1>Peter's story begins in Falls Village, Connecticut, a tiny community

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<v Speaker 1>of five hundred people that's part of a larger town

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<v Speaker 1>called Canaan. If you've been to New England, Falls Village

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<v Speaker 1>is pretty classic, complete with rivers, horse farms, and covered bridges.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the kind of place where no one locks their doors,

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<v Speaker 1>where everyone looks out for each other. In September nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy three, leaves were turning color across Connecticut. An eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>year old Peter Riley had just begun his senior year

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<v Speaker 1>of high school. Peter was a skinny kid, just over

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred pounds, and an uninspired student whose real love

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<v Speaker 1>was his rock band. He lived in Falls Village in

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<v Speaker 1>a small cottage, just him and his mom, Barbara Gibbons. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>for lack of a better phrase, Barbara was the town eccentric.

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<v Speaker 1>She was highly educated, well read, and well traveled, but

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<v Speaker 1>she was also a single mother, which was a big

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<v Speaker 1>deal in nineteen seventy three, and she was a heavy drinker.

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<v Speaker 1>She had a reputation as someone who always spoke her mind,

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<v Speaker 1>even if it rubbed some people the wrong way. But

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<v Speaker 1>in Peter's eyes, his mother was someone brilliant who loved

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<v Speaker 1>and protected him, just like he loved and stood up

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<v Speaker 1>for her. It was the two of them against the world.

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<v Speaker 1>On the evening of Friday, September twenty eighth, Peter attends

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<v Speaker 1>a youth group meeting at the local church. He leaves

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<v Speaker 1>at about nine thirty pm and drives home, but when

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<v Speaker 1>he walks in the door, his world is turned upside down.

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<v Speaker 1>His mother is lying mostly unclothed on the bedroom floor.

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<v Speaker 1>Her throat's been cut so deeply she's nearly decapitated, and

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<v Speaker 1>she's been stabbed and beaten so badly that both of

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<v Speaker 1>her thigh bones are broken. Peter freezes, His instinct warns

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<v Speaker 1>him not to disturb this scene by touching the body. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>he grabs the phone and makes a series of calls

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<v Speaker 1>to paramedics, hospitals, and doctors. A hospital worker calls the police,

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<v Speaker 1>and the cops show up within minutes. When the police arrive.

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<v Speaker 1>Peter's in shock he's just discovered his mother dead, but

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<v Speaker 1>the officers think Peter's being too calm and they begin

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<v Speaker 1>to suspect him. They take him into a neighbor's home

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<v Speaker 1>and strip search him. They're looking for scratches, cuts, bruises,

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<v Speaker 1>any indication that Peter had taken part in a brutal struggle,

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<v Speaker 1>but they find nothing. Peter's wearing jeans, a brown T shirt,

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<v Speaker 1>and gold sneakers, and a witness from the church confirms

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<v Speaker 1>that Peter's been wearing the same clothes all night. The

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<v Speaker 1>police examination finds no blood anywhere on his body, clothing,

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<v Speaker 1>or shoes, but the cops are still suspicious. They question

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<v Speaker 1>Peter in the back seat of a squad car. Then

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<v Speaker 1>they take him down to the station and hold him overnight.

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<v Speaker 1>Peter doesn't sleep at all, but the next morning he

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<v Speaker 1>has the presence of mind to ask for a polygraph.

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<v Speaker 1>The police give him one, but they tell him that

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<v Speaker 1>he failed the test, and when Peter's told that he failed,

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<v Speaker 1>he begins to doubt his own memory because he believes

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<v Speaker 1>polygraphs are infallible. Before too long, Peter begins to wonder

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<v Speaker 1>whether he might have killed his mother but somehow doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>remember it now, believe it or not. Police record the

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<v Speaker 1>interrogation on an old reel to reel machine, even though

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<v Speaker 1>they weren't legally required to do so in nineteen seventy three.

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<v Speaker 1>On tape, they egg Peter on and suggest that he

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<v Speaker 1>might have amnesia. They tell him sometimes when people commit

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<v Speaker 1>these crimes, the memories are so traumatic that people repress them,

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<v Speaker 1>and Peter Riley starts believing that he might be a murderer.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe I didn't now, he tells the police. But

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember.

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<v Speaker 2>Peter says, over and over again, we got to keep digging, digging,

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<v Speaker 2>digging to get this information out of me. Because he

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<v Speaker 2>wants to know what this information is.

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<v Speaker 1>He asks the police for truth serum, and at another

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<v Speaker 1>point he even says, can you pound this out of me?

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<v Speaker 1>The police praise Peter for being willing to admit he

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<v Speaker 1>might be guilty. They tell him, we're not here to

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<v Speaker 1>punish you. Maybe you'll go to a mental hospital for

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<v Speaker 1>three months. Peter begins to feel like he's bonding with

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<v Speaker 1>his interrogators, like they're all working together to fill in

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<v Speaker 1>the blanks in his memory, and eventually their teamwork succeeds.

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<v Speaker 1>Peter had a straight razor at home, a small blade

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<v Speaker 1>that he used to make model airplanes. After hours of questioning,

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<v Speaker 1>he eventually says that he could have used that razor

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<v Speaker 1>to attack his mom. He adds that he could have

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<v Speaker 1>broken her legs by jumping on them. In other words,

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<v Speaker 1>he gives what we now call a persuaded false confession.

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<v Speaker 2>These are a special subspecies of false confessions that are

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<v Speaker 2>relatively rare, and what happens in these cases is the

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<v Speaker 2>police interrogation tactics themselves cause a suspect to begin to

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<v Speaker 2>doubt their own memory, and the suspect is persuaded that

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<v Speaker 2>he or she must have committed the crime but can't

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<v Speaker 2>remember it, and the interrogation becomes an exercise in reconstructing

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<v Speaker 2>the suspect's memories of the crime. But the memories aren't real,

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<v Speaker 2>they're confabulations.

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<v Speaker 1>Peter's confabulated story isn't realistic. A small no razor wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>capable of inflicting deep wounds like those on Barbara's neck,

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<v Speaker 1>and Peter was one hundred and ten pound weekly there's

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<v Speaker 1>no way he could have broken his mother's thigh bones

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<v Speaker 1>just by jumping on them. But police ignore those problems.

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<v Speaker 1>After all, they've got a confession. By the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the interrogation, Peter starts realizing that he has no family left.

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<v Speaker 2>You're talking about someone who has just lost the only

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<v Speaker 2>family member in his life. Peter never knew his father.

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<v Speaker 2>His mother has now been murdered. They live alone in

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<v Speaker 2>this small cottage, and he's thinking that he's gotten nowhere.

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<v Speaker 1>To go, And so Peter asks his interrogator, is there

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<v Speaker 1>any chance that you might take me in? I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to impose, he adds, I'll do work around the house.

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<v Speaker 1>I really would love to live with a family.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never seen that before. Just a a complete dependence

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<v Speaker 2>on one's interrogator and a complete sort of loss of

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<v Speaker 2>understanding of the fact that this person is his adversary.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard to imagine anything more purely fucked up.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the most disturbing thing about this interrogation.

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<v Speaker 1>But Peter doesn't get to go live with the cops,

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<v Speaker 1>even though he's done everything they asked. Instead, he's arrested

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<v Speaker 1>and booked into jail. Once Peter is away from his

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<v Speaker 1>interrogator's influence, he immediately realizes he didn't actually kill anyone.

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<v Speaker 1>And he recants his confession, but it's too late. On

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<v Speaker 1>September twenty ninth, nineteen seventy three, Peter Riley is charged

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<v Speaker 1>with the murder of his own mother. Barbara's murder and

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<v Speaker 1>Peter's arrest shook False Village to its core. Everyone was

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<v Speaker 1>following this tragedy, including one residence who would go on

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<v Speaker 1>to become an important figure in Peter's story.

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<v Speaker 3>My name is Donald Connery. Well, one thing I can

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<v Speaker 3>claim for some distinction is that I probably am the

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<v Speaker 3>only foreign correspondent who ever made a complete career shift

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<v Speaker 3>overnight from reporting international affairs to investigating the criminal justice system.

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<v Speaker 2>Don Connery was an esteemed journalist, and the last thing

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<v Speaker 2>on his mind was the subject of false confessions. But

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<v Speaker 2>this murder was big news in this small town, and

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<v Speaker 2>you couldn't help but be drawn into it. He began

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<v Speaker 2>to start looking into the case himself, and later wrote

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<v Speaker 2>a book about the case that was an absolutely essential

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<v Speaker 2>text about what happened to Peter Riley.

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<v Speaker 1>Don Connery's in his nineties now, but in nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 1>three he had just moved to Falls Village with his

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<v Speaker 1>wife and kids, and I.

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<v Speaker 3>Thought, this is a terrible event which will play out

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<v Speaker 3>and will have nothing to do with me, except that

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<v Speaker 3>the accused eighteen year old was a friend and classmate

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<v Speaker 3>of my children who went to the regional high school,

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<v Speaker 3>and Peter was someone they talked about and knew about.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, something extraordinary happens after Peter's arrest is announced. Remember,

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<v Speaker 1>people in this tiny town know Peter Riley and they

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<v Speaker 1>like him.

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<v Speaker 2>This was in the age before social media, where communities

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<v Speaker 2>were much more connected in a sense. They met each

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<v Speaker 2>other through clubs, extracurricular activities at schools, church groups, boy Scouts,

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<v Speaker 2>and the entire community knew who Peter was. From these

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<v Speaker 2>various essential parts of the social fabric of Falls village.

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<v Speaker 1>Peter's arrest leads to a groundswell of support. Everyone starts

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<v Speaker 1>defending his innocence.

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<v Speaker 3>After reading the initial stories, my younger children, Carol and

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<v Speaker 3>Julie kept saying Peter couldn't possibly have done this.

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<v Speaker 1>The mothers of his high school classmates form a group

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<v Speaker 1>called Canaan Mothers, and they hold bake sales to raise

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<v Speaker 1>money so that Peter can get released on bond before

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<v Speaker 1>his trial. Some families even put their houses up as security.

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<v Speaker 1>It was incredible. Mothers supporting the accused mother killer.

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<v Speaker 2>They wanted to do everything in their power to help him.

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<v Speaker 3>My kids said, and other neighbors said, you know, we

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<v Speaker 3>don't think this is possible. There's no reason to think

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<v Speaker 3>that he had any cause to harm his mother. And

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<v Speaker 3>the word was in the community that yes, Peter. It

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<v Speaker 3>confessed that nobody could understand why he would admit to

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<v Speaker 3>something he didn't do, but their protests caught the attention

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<v Speaker 3>of the media.

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<v Speaker 1>A reporter named Joan Bartel hears about how the town

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<v Speaker 1>of Falls Village is rallying behind an accused murderer. She

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<v Speaker 1>listens to Peter's interrogation tapes and writes an explosive article

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<v Speaker 1>in a magazine called New Times. The article questions Peter's

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<v Speaker 1>guilt and includes many excerpts from his interrogation, exposing the

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<v Speaker 1>CoP's manipulation of Peter. People around the state are horrified

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<v Speaker 1>to read about a teenage boy made to believe that

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<v Speaker 1>he killed his own mother. Donations flow in to the

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<v Speaker 1>Canaan mothers, and soon enough money is raised for Peter

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<v Speaker 1>to post bond fifty thousand dollars. He's released and moves

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<v Speaker 1>in with one of his friend's families. Peter Riley is

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<v Speaker 1>welcomed back into the Falls Village community.

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<v Speaker 3>This so called killer went straight back to high school

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<v Speaker 3>to complete his senior year, and it didn't seem to

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<v Speaker 3>worry parents or teachers of the principal, who in fact

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<v Speaker 3>supported him.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the things that attracted reporters to this case,

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<v Speaker 2>including Don Connery, was the idea that in order for

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<v Speaker 2>these people to embrace Peter, they had to understand or

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<v Speaker 2>at least believe, that this confession was false. And here

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<v Speaker 2>they are taking this suspected, confessed murderer into their own

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<v Speaker 2>homes or being willing to do so, and to raise

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<v Speaker 2>money for him, and to advocate for him and to

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<v Speaker 2>fight for him. That's remarkable.

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<v Speaker 1>Peter Riley was free on bond, but prosecutors were moving

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<v Speaker 1>forward with his trial anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>The community was confident that the trial in nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 3>four would quickly lead to adequittal. He would be found innocent.

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<v Speaker 1>But on April twelfth, eighteen seventy four, Good Friday, Peter

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<v Speaker 1>Riley was convicted of killing his own mother.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a bombshell when the jury decided almost entirely

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<v Speaker 3>in the basis of the confession, so called confession that

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<v Speaker 3>he was guilty, and he was sentenced to six to

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<v Speaker 3>sixteen years for manslaughter and driven off at high speed

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<v Speaker 3>to the high security penitentiary.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though he'd just been convicted of murder, Peter only

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<v Speaker 1>spent a few hours in prison. Amazingly, a court ruled

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<v Speaker 1>that he could stay free during his appeal as long

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<v Speaker 1>as he posted an additional bond ten thousand more dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>His village raised the extra money and Peter was freed.

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<v Speaker 1>But now Peter needed to pay for an appeal, and

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<v Speaker 1>that would cost more than the Canaan mothers could raise.

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<v Speaker 1>So that reporter from New Times, Joan Bartel, sent the

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<v Speaker 1>article she wrote about Peter's case to another Connecticut resident,

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<v Speaker 1>the famous playwright Arthur Miller.

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<v Speaker 2>Arthur Miller was my favorite playwright. I remember reading all

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<v Speaker 2>of his plays in high school in the nineteen seventies

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<v Speaker 2>Death of a Salesman all my sons. I liked him

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<v Speaker 2>not only because his plays moved me. I liked him

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<v Speaker 2>because he was a public figure that cared deeply about justice.

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<v Speaker 2>He was a playwright with a conscience.

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<v Speaker 3>The Crucible, probably Miller's greatest play, had been motivated in

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<v Speaker 3>part by the false accusations that went on in Salem

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<v Speaker 3>and Massachusetts three hundred years ago, when twenty one people

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<v Speaker 3>were falsely accused of satanic activities and either hung or

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<v Speaker 3>in one case of being crushed to death executed. And

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<v Speaker 3>Miller also personally had faced the House of American Activities

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<v Speaker 3>Committee accused of being a communist or worse, so he

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<v Speaker 3>had every reason to feel that this is something that

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<v Speaker 3>he should put right, and he invested a great deal

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<v Speaker 3>of his time to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Arthur Miller read Jones article. He was appalled by the

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<v Speaker 1>tragedy of Peter's confession, and he began to take a

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<v Speaker 1>leading role in Peter's fight for vindication. Miller recruited other

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<v Speaker 1>a list celebrities to donate money to Peter's defense, Jack Nicholson,

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<v Speaker 1>Dustin Hoffman, Art Garfunkel, Candice Bergen, William Steren, Mike Nichols,

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<v Speaker 1>even Elizabeth Taylor. Pretty soon a powerful coalition of voices

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<v Speaker 1>was gathering steam.

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<v Speaker 3>Overnight. There was a remarkable amount of energy behind the

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<v Speaker 3>effort to free Peter as soon as possible from what everyone,

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<v Speaker 3>at least in Litchfield County saw as a wrongful conviction.

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<v Speaker 1>The first thing Peter needed was a lawyer to handle

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<v Speaker 1>his appeal. Arthur Miller recruited Roy Daly, a former federal prosecutor,

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<v Speaker 1>and his If Roy started preparing Peter's appeal, Miller worked

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<v Speaker 1>to raise the public profile of the case. The New

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<v Speaker 1>York Times featured a two part series about Peter on

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<v Speaker 1>the front page. Not long afterwards, Sixty Minutes covered the

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<v Speaker 1>story too. Meanwhile, Peter's legal team pressed his case in court.

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<v Speaker 1>Eventually a hearing was held to determine whether to grant

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<v Speaker 1>him a new trial. Arthur Miller personally recruited some world

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<v Speaker 1>renowned experts to testify. At that hearing, a forensic pathologist

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<v Speaker 1>testified that if Peter had actually killed his mom, it

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<v Speaker 1>would have been impossible for him to clean all the

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<v Speaker 1>blood off his body and clothing before the police arrived.

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<v Speaker 1>The pathologist also testified that there's no way one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and ten pound kid could break a woman's thigh bones

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<v Speaker 1>by jumping on them, and a psychologist testified that Peter

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<v Speaker 1>was suggestible and easily manipulated by authority figures. In other words,

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<v Speaker 1>he was highly vulnerable to giving a false ca confession.

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<v Speaker 1>This hearing took down both the medical evidence against Peter

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<v Speaker 1>and his confession and.

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<v Speaker 3>It led to a verdict by George Speziale that a

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<v Speaker 3>buscarriage of justice had happened in his own courtroom, and

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<v Speaker 3>he said that Peter deserved a new trial.

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<v Speaker 1>It was March twenty fifth, nineteen seventy six, a little

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<v Speaker 1>more than two and a half years after Peter lost

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<v Speaker 1>his mom. Peter was granted a new trial, but the

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<v Speaker 1>prosecutor who'd convicted him was up in arms. He believed

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<v Speaker 1>Peter was guilty and vowed to take him to trial again,

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<v Speaker 1>but that didn't end up happening.

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<v Speaker 3>He delayed to a point where he dropped dead on

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<v Speaker 3>a golf course.

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<v Speaker 1>The prosecutor passed away of a heart attack at age

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<v Speaker 1>fifty four. So a new prosecutor, a young man named

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<v Speaker 1>Dennis Santour over and as he digs into the case files,

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<v Speaker 1>he finds a piece of evidence that had never been

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<v Speaker 1>disclosed to Peter's defense team. A police officer and his

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<v Speaker 1>wife had reported seeing Peter in downtown Canaan the night

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<v Speaker 1>of the murder as he was driving home from his

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<v Speaker 1>church youth group. They'd seen him only a few minutes

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<v Speaker 1>before Peter arrived home, found his mother's body and started

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<v Speaker 1>calling for help. It was an air tight alibi. Those

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<v Speaker 1>few minutes didn't give Peter enough time to drive home

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<v Speaker 1>and kill his mother before making those phone calls.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, this was a so called exculpatory evidence which should

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<v Speaker 3>have been turned over to the state and to the courts,

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<v Speaker 3>and once it was revealed, it took only weeks before

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<v Speaker 3>Peter Riley was fully exonerated.

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<v Speaker 1>The state of Connecticut formally dropped all charges on November

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<v Speaker 1>twenty fourth, nineteen seventy six. Peter Riley's name was officially

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<v Speaker 1>c after Peter's exoneration. The state police never found Barbara's

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<v Speaker 1>real killer and continued to insist that Peter was guilty.

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<v Speaker 3>The case went into the legal annals as a classic

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<v Speaker 3>false confession tragedy, and it was a prime example of

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<v Speaker 3>these systems on willingness to admit error in most of

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<v Speaker 3>these controversial cases.

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<v Speaker 1>Don Connery eventually wrote a book about the case, Guilty

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<v Speaker 1>until Proven Innocent, and he continued writing about cases of

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<v Speaker 1>wrongful conviction.

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<v Speaker 2>After the Peter Riley case, don Conry became his own

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<v Speaker 2>one man journalistic innocence project. He began taking cases in

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<v Speaker 2>Connecticut and investigating them and writing about them, and he

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<v Speaker 2>also began taking false confession cases from outside of Connecticut

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<v Speaker 2>as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, to add insult to injury, Connecticut police actually stopped

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<v Speaker 1>recording interrogations after Peter's case. Peter's interrogation tapes had made

0:23:07.280 --> 0:23:10.119
<v Speaker 1>them look bad, and they didn't want to look bad again.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't until twenty thirteen that Connecticut adopted a law

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<v Speaker 1>requiring interrogations to be recorded, and who testified before the

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<v Speaker 1>state legislature in support of that bill Peter Riley.

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<v Speaker 2>Peter said, Look, we shouldn't let law enforcement officers get

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<v Speaker 2>away with not recording interrogations, because what it does is

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<v Speaker 2>it makes it impossible for people like me to explain

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<v Speaker 2>to a jury or to the general public how it

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<v Speaker 2>is that I was made to confess to killing my

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<v Speaker 2>own mother. Peter was a powerful advocate for recording and

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<v Speaker 2>his testimony was critical on getting the bill passed in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty thirteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Most importantly, Peter Riley's case woke the world up to

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<v Speaker 1>the problem of false confessions. This injustice was a rallying

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<v Speaker 1>cry for so many people, including Steve and me. Peter's

0:24:11.440 --> 0:24:17.000
<v Speaker 1>story epitomizes the profound humanity in so many wrongful conviction cases.

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<v Speaker 1>From the tragedy of the crime, to the ugliness of

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<v Speaker 1>false accusation, to the defendant's struggle and perseverance, to the

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<v Speaker 1>good people like Arthur Miller and the Canaan mothers who

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<v Speaker 1>fight for the truth no matter what. In nineteen ninety five,

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<v Speaker 1>the very first conference about false confessions took place in Hartford, Connecticut.

0:24:39.000 --> 0:24:43.120
<v Speaker 1>Don Connery organized it, and the people who'd helped exonerate

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<v Speaker 1>Peter Riley spoke. Since then, hundreds of confessions had been

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<v Speaker 1>proven false around the country and were just getting started.

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<v Speaker 3>At the Hartford conference, Arthur Miller said at one point

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<v Speaker 3>that the record of mankind is full of confessions of

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<v Speaker 3>events that happened.

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<v Speaker 4>Or to which the accused had little or no connection.

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<v Speaker 4>After all, even Galileo confessed that the sun and all

0:25:10.600 --> 0:25:14.840
<v Speaker 4>the stars revolved around the motionless Earth. Rather than face

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<v Speaker 4>the wrath of the Church, which for centuries had taught

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<v Speaker 4>the opposite. Confronted with great power against which one has

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<v Speaker 4>only a fragile defense, confession can begin to look like

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<v Speaker 4>the door to freedom. Confession can very readily turn into

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<v Speaker 4>a kind of coin with which to buy one's way

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<v Speaker 4>out of a frightening and painful situation. How then, I

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<v Speaker 4>will eat to indict the criminal. Is there a good

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<v Speaker 4>substitute for confession as the mainstay of a prosecution case?

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<v Speaker 4>For starters, I would suggest evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>Wise words. We're not there yet, mister Miller. We're not

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<v Speaker 1>there yet, but we're getting closed every day.

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<v Speaker 5>Hello, Peter Howard and High State. Doing pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really great to talk to you.

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<v Speaker 5>What's your life like these days? While I'm sixty five,

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<v Speaker 5>so I'm retired at this point, which just means I

0:26:16.160 --> 0:26:18.320
<v Speaker 5>come up with a whole lot of work for myself

0:26:18.359 --> 0:26:23.520
<v Speaker 5>that I'll get paid for it. I'm still an avid musician.

0:26:23.520 --> 0:26:26.400
<v Speaker 5>I play every day. It's been something I've done since

0:26:26.480 --> 0:26:28.399
<v Speaker 5>I saw the Beatles on that all of them, so

0:26:28.440 --> 0:26:30.320
<v Speaker 5>it's been a long time. I just play a lot

0:26:30.359 --> 0:26:33.439
<v Speaker 5>of music. I do what's positive for me these days,

0:26:33.560 --> 0:26:37.600
<v Speaker 5>and that's pretty much it. What's your favorite song to play?

0:26:38.280 --> 0:26:42.720
<v Speaker 5>I don't know anything by the Alma Brothers.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Steve and I are two lawyers who have

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<v Speaker 1>the honor of standing up in courts and fighting for

0:26:51.040 --> 0:26:54.359
<v Speaker 1>people we believe in, but we're also trying to change

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<v Speaker 1>the world here.

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<v Speaker 2>From the very beginning of my study of false confessions,

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<v Speaker 2>I have gone out into the world and tried to

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<v Speaker 2>inform people about what I've learned.

0:27:07.320 --> 0:27:10.040
<v Speaker 1>For the first ten years that I did this work,

0:27:10.440 --> 0:27:13.520
<v Speaker 1>we went around the country trying to convince anybody who

0:27:13.520 --> 0:27:16.800
<v Speaker 1>would listen that false confessions even existed, that this happened

0:27:16.880 --> 0:27:20.080
<v Speaker 1>at all. And suddenly there's been this explosion of interest

0:27:20.240 --> 0:27:23.199
<v Speaker 1>in understanding that false confessions can happen to anyone, that

0:27:23.200 --> 0:27:24.919
<v Speaker 1>they could happen to you, they could happen to me,

0:27:25.640 --> 0:27:29.040
<v Speaker 1>and to see the urgency for reform that hearing these

0:27:29.080 --> 0:27:32.320
<v Speaker 1>stories produces. It's a sea change, and it's a very

0:27:32.400 --> 0:27:33.600
<v Speaker 1>very welcome sea change.

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<v Speaker 2>When I got started in this work in nineteen ninety five,

0:27:37.440 --> 0:27:42.600
<v Speaker 2>there were only two states that required electronic recording of interrogations,

0:27:43.320 --> 0:27:47.280
<v Speaker 2>and now they're twenty seven. There should be fifty. We

0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:49.440
<v Speaker 2>are getting to a point where I think that will

0:27:49.480 --> 0:27:54.200
<v Speaker 2>happen in my lifetime. So in addition to electronic recording,

0:27:54.680 --> 0:27:57.560
<v Speaker 2>one of the goals that Laura and I have is

0:27:57.560 --> 0:28:04.080
<v Speaker 2>to actually change the way in which police officers interrogate suspects.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that when people hear stories of grave injustice,

0:28:09.400 --> 0:28:13.280
<v Speaker 1>there's a human need to identify the bad guy, and

0:28:13.320 --> 0:28:15.880
<v Speaker 1>in some cases there are very clear bad guys. Police

0:28:15.880 --> 0:28:19.919
<v Speaker 1>have physically abused suspects. Police have tortured suspects, but in

0:28:19.960 --> 0:28:23.720
<v Speaker 1>some cases police officers are following training that they don't

0:28:23.760 --> 0:28:25.840
<v Speaker 1>know is problematic. That's where I see we can make

0:28:25.840 --> 0:28:28.800
<v Speaker 1>a lot of change. Many other countries have developed new

0:28:28.840 --> 0:28:31.879
<v Speaker 1>interrogation techniques that you don't have to use lies, you

0:28:31.920 --> 0:28:34.840
<v Speaker 1>don't have to use false promises, you certainly don't have

0:28:34.880 --> 0:28:35.840
<v Speaker 1>to use fact feeding.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the most exciting developments recently has been the

0:28:40.120 --> 0:28:45.640
<v Speaker 2>creation of these conviction integrity units in prosecutors' offices, and

0:28:45.760 --> 0:28:50.520
<v Speaker 2>in both Hugh Burton's case and David McCallum's case, we

0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:57.400
<v Speaker 2>saw how effective these units can be in writing wrongful convictions.

0:28:57.600 --> 0:29:01.400
<v Speaker 1>When prosecutors are interested in actually doing real justice instead

0:29:01.400 --> 0:29:04.280
<v Speaker 1>of just closing cases, everything changes.

0:29:05.440 --> 0:29:08.440
<v Speaker 2>One of the things that's always excited me about this

0:29:08.680 --> 0:29:14.080
<v Speaker 2>work is that we get to rewrite history. When we

0:29:14.200 --> 0:29:20.240
<v Speaker 2>exonerate somebody, we get to change their life narrative. That's

0:29:20.320 --> 0:29:23.480
<v Speaker 2>part of what we're trying to do with this podcast

0:29:23.920 --> 0:29:29.960
<v Speaker 2>is not only tell these stories, but change the legacies

0:29:30.280 --> 0:29:32.680
<v Speaker 2>of the people who falsely confessed.

0:29:32.760 --> 0:29:35.800
<v Speaker 1>You're taking this false story that they've told about themselves

0:29:36.000 --> 0:29:38.120
<v Speaker 1>and you have to change it to a true story,

0:29:38.200 --> 0:29:39.800
<v Speaker 1>a story of innocence.

0:29:39.680 --> 0:29:42.880
<v Speaker 2>In the wake of making a murderer, which certainly put

0:29:43.000 --> 0:29:47.080
<v Speaker 2>both Lara and I on the map in a way

0:29:47.640 --> 0:29:52.280
<v Speaker 2>that no other television show or radio show or victory

0:29:52.600 --> 0:29:55.880
<v Speaker 2>in court had done. I felt like we had an

0:29:55.920 --> 0:29:59.240
<v Speaker 2>obligation to speak out on these issues that we care

0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:04.200
<v Speaker 2>so deeply about. I guess I was channeling Arthur Miller.

0:30:04.440 --> 0:30:07.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean I could see Donald Connery saying, I knew

0:30:08.080 --> 0:30:11.920
<v Speaker 2>Arthur Miller. You're no Arthur Miller. But we had the

0:30:11.960 --> 0:30:14.760
<v Speaker 2>opportunity to tell these stories, and I think we as

0:30:14.880 --> 0:30:17.760
<v Speaker 2>lawyers have an obligation to do that.

0:30:19.240 --> 0:30:21.360
<v Speaker 1>You know, you don't have to be a lawyer to

0:30:21.400 --> 0:30:24.120
<v Speaker 1>see the injustice here. You just have to be someone

0:30:24.240 --> 0:30:28.160
<v Speaker 1>with a conscience. These are stories of great tragedy. They

0:30:28.240 --> 0:30:32.400
<v Speaker 1>grip people, these stories unsettle people, and they move people

0:30:32.440 --> 0:30:35.640
<v Speaker 1>to make change. This is a movement that draws from

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<v Speaker 1>all walks of life, from ordinary folks who want to

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<v Speaker 1>channel their outrage into action, to those with a powerful

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<v Speaker 1>public platform, artists, musicians, writers, actors. We saw this in

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<v Speaker 1>the Peter Riley Kays with Arthur Miller. We saw it

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<v Speaker 1>in the West Memphis three case with Peter Jackson, Johnny Depp,

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<v Speaker 1>Eddie Vetter, Natalie Mains, and we see it today with

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<v Speaker 1>Brendan Dacy's case and all the people who are rallying

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<v Speaker 1>around him. These kinds of movements built on real people,

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<v Speaker 1>They're unstoppable and we're not going to stop until we

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<v Speaker 1>can bring Brandon Dacy on this podcast as a free man.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to really thank the people that allowed us

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<v Speaker 2>to tell their stories and allowed us to enter their lives.

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<v Speaker 1>At the end of the day, it's meant the world

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<v Speaker 1>to bring to you twelve of the people whose cases

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<v Speaker 1>we've worked on and whose lives have touched ours, their voices,

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<v Speaker 1>their stories, and our good luck to be the ones

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<v Speaker 1>working for them. So back to work, Steve, back to work.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the first season of Wrongful Conviction, False Confessions.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see you in a few months back on this

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<v Speaker 1>feed for season two. In the meantime, be well, stay safe,

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<v Speaker 1>and never stop believing injustice. Wrongful Conviction, False Confessions is

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<v Speaker 1>a production of Lava for Good Podcasts in association with

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<v Speaker 1>Signal Company Number One. Special thanks to our executive producer

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<v Speaker 1>Jason Flamm and the team at Signal Company Number One.

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<v Speaker 1>Executive Producer Kevin wardis Senior producer and Pope, and additional

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<v Speaker 1>production and editing by Connor Hall. Special thanks to Jogi

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<v Speaker 1>Hammer for additional script editing and for wrangling and writing

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<v Speaker 1>like a mad woman. Our music was composed by Jay Ralph.

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<v Speaker 1>You can follow me on Instagram or Twitter at Laura Nywriter, and.

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<v Speaker 2>You can follow me on Twitter at s Drisen.

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<v Speaker 1>For more information on the show, visit wrongfulconvictionpodcast dot com

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