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Speaker 1: Hey, there, everybody, and welcome to short stuff. I'm Josh,

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Speaker 1: there's Chuck, there's Jerry, And like I said, this is

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Speaker 1: short stuff, So let's get to it about James K. Polk.

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Speaker 1: That's right, James K. Polk, eleventh President of the United States,

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Speaker 1: former Governor of Tennessee, former Speaker of the House and

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Speaker 1: House Representative of the state of Tennessee. Former member of

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Speaker 1: He did clerk for the Senate. That's where he where

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Speaker 1: he got his start, which was pretty impressive because he

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Speaker 1: on as our as the Tennessee State Senate mascot, buddy,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna we're gonna raise you up from there. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So Polk was born in North Carolina, although he um,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think people in Tennessee have a lot

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Speaker 1: of respecting reverence for him. But he was born in

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Speaker 1: North Carolina or North Kakaaki as we call it. And

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Speaker 1: when he was ten, they moved to Tennessee what this

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Speaker 1: article calls the Tennessee Frontier. Yeah, well, I mean it

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Speaker 1: was at the time why not if you were a

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Speaker 1: white European settler and his dad, uh, Sammy Polke, Samuel Polk,

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Speaker 1: his paw, Chuck, we're talking Tennessee, that's right, his paw.

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Speaker 1: He built a two story house in eighteen sixteen in Colombia,

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Speaker 1: and that's where James lived for a while as young adult,

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Speaker 1: and it now serves as the James K. Polk Museum

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Speaker 1: Home and Museum Presidential Museum. Yeah. So that's like just

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Speaker 1: a bit of the background of this interesting story about

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Speaker 1: the fact that James Polk has been exhumed and moved

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Speaker 1: a couple of times since his death. Yes, this, this

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Speaker 1: short stuff just got interesting. Even though this article, I'm

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Speaker 1: sure you noticed, did not say anything about his death

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Speaker 1: or where he was buried. There's clearly a paragraph or

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Speaker 1: two missing, I think. So I went back and I

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Speaker 1: was like, it's there under this, like what's going on here? Um,

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Speaker 1: But nope, it's not there. So so basically, James Polk

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Speaker 1: he became the eleventh president of the United States after

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Speaker 1: John Tyler Um, who was the first president not elected

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Speaker 1: who died after a month. You know that famous Simpsons song,

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Speaker 1: there's William Henry Harrison. I died in thirty days. Um. Well,

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Speaker 1: that that's what happened, and John Tyler succeeded him. Well, Um,

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Speaker 1: James Polk soundly beat uh Taylor Tyler Um. And he

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Speaker 1: beat him basically saying like, look, I've got some campaign

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Speaker 1: promises I'm going to handle. I'm going to take care

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Speaker 1: of these things in one term and then I'm going

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Speaker 1: to go. And I'm young, and and no one's ever

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Speaker 1: elected a president this young. No. I think he was

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Speaker 1: forty nine when he was elected or something like that,

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Speaker 1: He um oversaw the very first US postal stamp created, right,

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Speaker 1: and everyone's like, what's that? And he's like, just watch everybody.

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Speaker 1: at the time you might think, well, federal Reserve, you know,

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Speaker 1: It was very much needed at this time because back

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Speaker 1: then stay owned or private banks would routinely just not

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Speaker 1: have it, sorry, and this would cause panics over and

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Speaker 1: the Independent Treasury System, And that was a big one

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Speaker 1: Who are who are run by these these influential bankers

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Speaker 1: were some big ones. He also started the Mexican American War,

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Speaker 1: which is definitely a mark against him, that's right. But

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Speaker 1: through all, I mean, he got a lot. A lot

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Speaker 1: how he died and started bouncing around after that. So

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Speaker 1: I think Jerry could manage a ding. Let's let's hope Jerry. So, um,

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Speaker 1: be buried. We need to we need to show some

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Speaker 1: respect and also more closely follow them the wishes of

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Speaker 1: him there. They actually built him like a pretty sweet

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Speaker 1: It was pretty cute. Yeah. And his wife Sarah, thank

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Speaker 1: just live for another I don't know, forty two years.

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Speaker 1: I read that. I was like, is that a miss Brent.

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Speaker 1: It could be in this article, but it's not. Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: according to this article, he never died. He's right behind you, so,

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Speaker 1: two years, which is outstanding, great, great long life. And

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Speaker 1: once she finally died, there was a bit of an

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Speaker 1: argument over the ownership of Polk Place and kind of

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Speaker 1: like where they should be ultimately in their uh whatever,

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Speaker 1: what they thought was their final resting place. But everyone

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Speaker 1: but he in his will had had left the stipulation

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Speaker 1: what happened to this to his beloved home. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: can't believe that was sold by developers in and they

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Speaker 1: governor's mansion and preserving this, and they said, no, get

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Speaker 1: rid of it. So they actually disinterred him. So the

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Speaker 1: state of Tennessee disinterned he and Sarah and moved their

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Speaker 1: would be the end of the story. The guy's been

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Speaker 1: buried to two times now, no, one to three times.

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Speaker 1: He's been buried three times. Let him rest in peace, right,

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Speaker 1: but it's not buried buried? And then was it three times? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he was buried in the city since twice buried? Yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: I know. It kind of concerned me too. It's like

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Speaker 1: trying to understand economics. Yeah, that's the old saying. Uh buried,

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Speaker 1: never mind buried thrice, but moved only twice. That's it.

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Speaker 1: So they, like you said, they moved into the capitol

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Speaker 1: and uh, you know, a place of great reverence and

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Speaker 1: have the kind of monuments that Jackson and Johnson have. No,

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Speaker 1: and that's why there's some people in the Tennessee State government,

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Speaker 1: Hensley right exactly. Um he I could see him on

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Speaker 1: His hair stands up like a mile high. Anyway, Senator

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Speaker 1: Joey Hensley is like, look, man, I I I have

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Speaker 1: Like you said, we got to do something better. Let's

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Speaker 1: house in Columbia, Tennessee. Yeah, this is a couple of

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Speaker 1: And that's the one that said no, I don't think

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Speaker 1: But then I and I didn't understand why anybody would

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Speaker 1: in Nashville. Right, Polk Place isn't around anymore, So he's

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Speaker 1: still buried in Nashville and at the Capitol. Get that

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Speaker 1: so um. I saw also in two thousand and eighteen,

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Speaker 1: voted down by one vote by the state Senate this time.

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Speaker 1: So he's not going anywhere. It doesn't look like he's

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Speaker 1: going anywhere. Uh. So you know, if you're ever in Nashville,

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Speaker 1: up a molda rama while you're there. Pick up a

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