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Speaker 1: is a Sunday. John Middlecoff, former NFL scout three and out.

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Speaker 1: We got a lot to talk about. We are starting

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Speaker 1: with the Cowboys wild come from behind twenty four twenty

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Speaker 1: one win over the Eagles. It was so lobsided in

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Speaker 1: second half, leading twenty one to nothing with no ability

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Speaker 1: It's not a Jalen Hurts thing necessarily. They can't run

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Speaker 2: I don't see how the game starts and he is

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Speaker 2: The Cowboys short week about to melt down. It's gonna

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Speaker 2: be weird. Eagles win this thing. What thirty one to

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Speaker 2: of a sudden, the Cowboys scored at the end of

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Speaker 2: if you're the Eagles, they've had a lot of these

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Speaker 2: to the Cowboys, that one's tough, Colin. That's a devastating

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Speaker 2: meltdown for the Eagles, I mean devastating. Here's the thing

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Speaker 2: with the Cowboys. Dak is confident against Philadelphia history, right,

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Speaker 2: That's the one thing. It's not like both those guys

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Speaker 2: dropping balls left and right. That this is gonna test

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Speaker 2: Nick Sirianni. These next couple nights, Colin. They got a

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Speaker 1: On Friday, the Chicago Bears. Yeah, right, and they're coming

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Speaker 2: On the ground. I also think, you know, by twenty

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Speaker 2: Who listen. George Pickens was pretty toxic. Jerry took a

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Speaker 2: Schottenheimer Dak Prescott have handled George and kind of made

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Speaker 1: Collen, Yeah no. And the other thing is twenty four

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Speaker 2: I mean, think about that story. Wasn't last year that

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Speaker 2: You talk about the home splits. Dak doesn't have a

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Speaker 2: talked about it these articles coming out the last couple

427
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Speaker 2: of weeks. He felt the pressure of you have to

428
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Speaker 2: show something or we will go back to the other guy.

429
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Speaker 2: He knew it. He knows. It does feel like the organization,

430
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,440
Speaker 2: in a weird way, is a little more pro Dylan Gabriel. Right,

431
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,119
Speaker 2: they drafted them higher, which makes sense. And to me,

432
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Speaker 2: he showed enough to get another start for sure. Yes,

433
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Speaker 2: so to me, Dylan Gabriel isn't very good, So it's

434
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Speaker 2: not really a conversation of like going back and forth

435
00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:28,000
Speaker 2: now should or just get starts for the foreseeable future?

436
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Speaker 2: And god, the Raiders are terrible. I mean, that is

437
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,800
Speaker 2: an organization. You know. People make fun of the Browns,

438
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 2: and rightfully so, they're in a different universe than the Raiders.

439
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Speaker 1: Listen, the Jets and the Giants have fight. Yeah, the

440
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:45,000
Speaker 1: Raiders have no fight. I mean they don't even play hard.

441
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Speaker 1: They don't do anything. Well, you say what you want

442
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 1: about the New York Giants. That was one of the

443
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 1: more entertaining games today. It was great. For sure. The

444
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,040
Speaker 1: Jets fight their ass off. They just don't have a

445
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 1: good coach of many good players. Raiders have nothing. And

446
00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,200
Speaker 1: Pete's got to look in the mirror. Pete left Seattle

447
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:06,119
Speaker 1: and they got really good, really fast, and Pete Antonio Pierce.

448
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,440
Speaker 1: I talked to Tom Telesco about this. Both got let go.

449
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:14,400
Speaker 1: Tom's thing was, those guys played hard. He got that

450
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Speaker 1: locker room unified because Josh McDaniels had separate, couldn't galvanize

451
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Speaker 1: the locker room. So like, Pete's got to look himself

452
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,679
Speaker 1: in the mirror, like he's no longer, like he's not current,

453
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Speaker 1: Like his defense isn't current.

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Speaker 2: Why I think, you know, almost like a draft pick,

455
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,359
Speaker 2: where you go, this guy's floors high. I just assume,

456
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 2: you know, Pete would get the train back on the

457
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Speaker 2: tracks and get them going, And it's been the opposite.

458
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 2: It feels like they're not only regressing. They've had a

459
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Speaker 2: lot of bad teams over the last what twenty plus years.

460
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Speaker 2: This is as ugly as it gets. Collin This I

461
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 2: mean lifeless. But you remove Max Crosby, the one guy

462
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Speaker 2: who a lot of respect for him, playing his ass

463
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Speaker 2: off in given the situation their offensive line. I mean

464
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Speaker 2: it felt like every play Miles Garrett, Miles Garrett could

465
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Speaker 2: have broke the single sack record in the game. So yeah,

466
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Speaker 2: I'm with you. I know they don't want to do this.

467
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 2: They have some new Brady venture capital money. I think

468
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,119
Speaker 2: you have to think about this is not the answer,

469
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,239
Speaker 2: and especially this offseason. You know that the Browns they

470
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 2: do have some young pieces. It looks like they got

471
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Speaker 2: a good young draft.

472
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Speaker 1: Draft, Lias got players.

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Speaker 2: I think if you're spy tech, you got to go

474
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Speaker 2: to Mark and Tom and go listen. We had the

475
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 2: right logic, but this blew up in our face. Do

476
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 2: we just need to get a young coach? Trade Max

477
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Speaker 2: Crosby this offseason and kind of think to the future

478
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Speaker 2: because what they're doing right now he has no value

479
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Speaker 2: on their team, you know. I mean they're headed toward

480
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 2: three wins, so yeah, I mean, props the Shador and

481
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Speaker 2: look like Dean was having a good time. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No, I mean I I the final numbers. I think

483
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Speaker 1: it's realistic to think he was going to have one

484
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Speaker 1: bad pick. But last time I checked in ten to

485
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Speaker 1: seventeen hundred and forty three yards one TV one pick

486
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 1: passer ratings about sixty. Because it is a.

487
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Speaker 2: Pretty easy opponent, you know. I mean, we'll see him

488
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 2: when he plays some more credible opponents. But yeah, it

489
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 2: is what it is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And to your point, I always pushed back on

491
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Speaker 1: the he's a pocket quarterback. He moves fine. He moves

492
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Speaker 1: better than go for a Stafford kirk cousin. He moves fine.

493
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Speaker 1: And by the way, he tends to a couple of

494
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 1: times today he just moved in the pocket. He just

495
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 1: glided left or right. And Stefanski, who I think is excellent,

496
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 1: they moved the pocket a lot for him. They baked

497
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Speaker 1: in some easy completions and he had two big throws

498
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Speaker 1: down the field. Jerry Judy. When Jerry Judy made that

499
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Speaker 1: play trying to high step people at midfield, Sean Payton,

500
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Speaker 1: Denver is a bye week, I guarantee you sees that,

501
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,400
Speaker 1: and just rolls his eyes. He couldn't get Judy out

502
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 1: of Denver fast enough. So Cleveland goes on. They hammer

503
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Speaker 1: the Raiders, who right now are absolutely lifeless. Okay, Well,

504
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Speaker 1: Kansas City in overtime beats the Colts twenty three to twenty.

505
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Speaker 1: And it really came down to this is that when

506
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Speaker 1: the Colts made the sauce gardener move and they gave

507
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Speaker 1: up a couple of first people said, well, where do

508
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: you get your quarterback? And I think the Colts felt

509
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Speaker 1: like we have Daniel Jones. Here's some pretty stark numbers.

510
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: So Indy led twenty to nine, started the fourth quarter

511
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 1: and recovered to Kansas City fumble. The game was theirs.

512
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: The game was in the Colts, and we know they

513
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Speaker 1: have a star running back and an above average offensive

514
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Speaker 1: line and good receivers Pittman Pierce, Daniel Jones, four consecutive

515
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Speaker 1: three and ounce eighteen total fourth quarter yards now Mahomes

516
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: fourth quarter and overtime, thirteen first downs the Colts zero,

517
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,880
Speaker 1: Kansas City two hundred and thirty six yards in that time,

518
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Speaker 1: fourth quarter and overtime the Colts eighteen. So again you're

519
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Speaker 1: in the AFC, you're in the Mahomes Conference, and the

520
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 1: Kansas City now maybe on life support. But they get Denver,

521
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: the Chargers and the Texans three of their toughest games,

522
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Speaker 1: all at home. So this wasn't just a win. They

523
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Speaker 1: went from life support to a It looks like this

524
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: was one of the tougher Ones Colts on a bye.

525
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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones was so bad, so limited fourth quarter in overtime.

526
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Speaker 1: I mean it's you say what you want about Kansas City,

527
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: look at their schedule. I'm gonna take him to win

528
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Speaker 1: playoff games and make the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: You yeah, I mean, I Mahomes had a stretch in

530
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Speaker 2: that game where he was like, I don't think he's

531
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Speaker 2: playing that well. This is you know, I'm talking like

532
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Speaker 2: the second and third quarter when Kansas City was pretty lifeless.

533
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Speaker 2: It's not like Indy was running away with the game.

534
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Speaker 2: I walked out of the room right when the game

535
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Speaker 2: early on, and I come back. I'm like, Kansas City

536
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Speaker 2: just had the ball and Indy had the ball in

537
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Speaker 2: like the five yard line. They just gifted them, you

538
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Speaker 2: know that interception he threw, So Daniel Jones was gifted

539
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 2: a touchdown, right. They went up seven to nothing, and

540
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 2: then they had a good drive after Kansas City punts

541
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Speaker 2: and I think it's fourteen or it's fourteen to three.

542
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 2: So once it's fourteen to three. They don't even come

543
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Speaker 2: remotely close to score in a touchdown. And I actually

544
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Speaker 2: think a lot of his co copletion throughout the game

545
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 2: or on Shane side can scheme in the ball or

546
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 2: scheming guys wide open. I mean, they do a great

547
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 2: job with the tight end, who's a really good player,

548
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 2: but they scheme him. I mean, to me, he is

549
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 2: a game plan specific quarterback.

550
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Speaker 1: Right now, Daniel Jones did not have a single attempt

551
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:22,360
Speaker 1: over twenty yards, not a single attempt. And again, this

552
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 1: is an above average offensive line, and Pittman and Pierce

553
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: both get downfield, as does the tight end. So I

554
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Speaker 1: think it's what they said, what Kansas City said with

555
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Speaker 1: that game plan is don't give him anything cheap over

556
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Speaker 1: the top, make him beat us on sixteen play thirteen

557
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: play drives. We don't trust Daniel Jonathan in the second half.

558
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: He didn't do anything in the fourth quarter.

559
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Speaker 2: Yeah, to me, they have no chance to win the

560
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 2: AFC with that quarterback the way he's playing right now,

561
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Speaker 2: especially if they're going to have to be in situations

562
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Speaker 2: where they have to go outside on the road to Denver.

563
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 2: What if it's a two seven, it's against Kansas City

564
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Speaker 2: in the first round. Who are you taking? I mean

565
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Speaker 2: Kansas City was try to give them the game. And

566
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Speaker 2: when I say Kansas City, I mean Mahomes missing guys,

567
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Speaker 2: I mean how many He still misses a lot of

568
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 2: guys down the field. But when he had to have it,

569
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Speaker 2: he settled down. He made some big plays where she

570
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Speaker 2: Rice was fantastic. I mean he was. He was an Elitala. Yeah,

571
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Speaker 2: Kareem Hunt was running his ass off, and listen, Andy

572
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 2: is not the the run is not the go to

573
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 2: thing with Andy Reid, and today he didn't have a choice.

574
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 2: They leaned on Kareem Hunt. I think they had over

575
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 2: forty carries a day. Obviously in short yardage. Kareem Hunt's fantastic,

576
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 2: but that Mahomes they just could not pull away. And

577
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 2: whenever you do that, you know, to the great players

578
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 2: in my lifetime, you give them an opportunity at the end,

579
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 2: then you lost it. So to me, it just comes

580
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Speaker 2: back to Daniel Jones when you hit him in big spots.

581
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Speaker 2: I have no faith sitting on the couch watching him

582
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Speaker 2: on a third and seven late in the game that

583
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 2: he's going to complete the pass and listen, he's He's

584
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 2: better than the guy who saw low points in New York. Right,

585
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 2: clearly he's an okay player. Yes, but I think we

586
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 2: got a little and I'm guilty of this, we got

587
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 2: a little over excited early on in the season and

588
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 2: we you know, I think people would say, well, that

589
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 2: happened with Sam Donald last year. Sam Donald's a way

590
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Speaker 2: better player than Daniel Jones.

591
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, And Sam's also a better athlete.

592
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: Sam throws deep ball, bigger arm, throws a better deep ball. Sam.

593
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Speaker 1: I don't think his confidence doesn't dip much with Danniel Jones.

594
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Speaker 1: You can feel if he throws a pick, you can

595
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Speaker 1: see if he's getting pressure. Yeah, I mean it's I

596
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: just look at those fourth quarter numbers. I mean it's

597
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: just incredible. Mahomes in Kansas City. Between the fumble and

598
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Speaker 1: the red zone pick, there's no way in a twenty

599
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: to nine fourth quarter league, there's no way the Colts

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Speaker 1: should lose that football game.

601
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Speaker 2: Yes, score eleven unanswered to go to overtime and then

602
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 2: lose on any I think it was eighteen yards to

603
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 2: colin all of the fourth quarter in overtime, so it

604
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 2: was for the Colts. Yeah, we're talking twenty five minutes

605
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 2: of game play. Or game of actual on the field

606
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 2: game and they got the ball first, right, they won

607
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 2: the coin toss and they accepted and they put it

608
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Speaker 2: on him and didn't go anywhere. Then Kansas City Boom

609
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Speaker 2: hit some big plays and all of a sudden, I mean,

610
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 2: they truly saved their season because at one time. One

611
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 2: thing we've learned this year is you can never be

612
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 2: too safe for the league. But you're looking, you're going

613
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Speaker 2: twenty to nine, Mahomes was a little off. You're like,

614
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Speaker 2: this is really how this little dynasty's gonna come to

615
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 2: an end this season? And the answer was, no, that's

616
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Speaker 2: not on the.

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Speaker 1: Colts watch no. And I mean, if you look at

618
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Speaker 1: the AFC, Trevor Lawrence, oh he's terrible. Oh god, he's

619
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Speaker 1: just it's over like it's just he's had a college coach,

620
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: offensive coach. Now he's got another offensive coach. Trevor just

621
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Speaker 1: makes too many bad throws. It's just and by the way,

622
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Speaker 1: Jacoby Myers, Brian Thomas, he has a couple of nice backs,

623
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Speaker 1: he's got an offensive coach. Trevor Lawrence just you know

624
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Speaker 1: what I mean, he was just never it never worked.

625
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: And so and then you have Daniel Jones, so you

626
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: start looking around. Right now you have Josh Allen, but

627
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: Josh Allen didn't have a defense, So you can sell

628
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: all your stock you want. They get the Denver Broncos,

629
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: the Chargers and Texans at home Kansas City at six

630
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: and five. My money, they make the playoffs and win games.

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Speaker 2: I'd even throw. I mean, clearly Lamar is banged up

632
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 2: this year.

633
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Speaker 1: He does not look this He's not nearly as elusive.

634
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 2: And the Steelers are in a complete free fall right now,

635
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 2: and I mean they're starting quarterback can't even play. So

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Speaker 2: I think when you look at that division, which over

637
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 2: the last three or four years, you know it's produced

638
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 2: Burrow obviously, Pete Lamar, even the Steelers have been feisty.

639
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 2: I'm selling my stock on that division. You look at

640
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 2: the you know, the AFC South, you go not taking

641
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 2: the Jags, definitely not the Colts. So to me, it's

642
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 2: just it's back to the Chargers would have a chance.

643
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 2: They didn't have a million injuries. I just think the

644
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 2: the AFC West. But the Chiefs, I mean, they did

645
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 2: lose to the Jags. It's why today, I mean their

646
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 2: season was kind of on the line, but they've got

647
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 2: some work to do, Colin. It's not quite over yet. Now.

648
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,719
Speaker 2: They played Dallas this upcoming week, which is obviously going

649
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 2: to be huge.

650
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the Jacksonville lost. In fairness, it was a

651
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: standalone game, probably the biggest regular season game in Jacksonville

652
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: in a decade. I mean, it felt like one of

653
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: those rare games where you know Jacksonville could have a

654
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: national imprint.

655
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 2: So freaky play too, when he throws the pick in

656
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 2: the end zone and they taken one hundred yards for

657
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 2: a touchdown. I mean, that's that happens to a Mahomes

658
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 2: of Brady, a paid manny what once every five years,

659
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 2: something like that.

660
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, Chicago holds on to beat Pittsburgh thirty one

661
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: to twenty eight. The Bears are eight and three in

662
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: first place. Now, if you don't follow the Bears, to

663
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: give them credit, Montes Sweat was very good defensively today.

664
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: They were missing five starters, so there were band aids

665
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: in Bondo. That was not a Chicago Bears defense. So

666
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers didn't start and TJ. Watt and Pittsburgh had

667
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: the one thing I'd said all week on FS one

668
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: was just play clean football, don't tease TJ. Watt, Well,

669
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: what did they do? He didn't let go of the

670
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: ball early. It's a strip sack. They trail fourteen to

671
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: seven to Pittsburgh and then come back. But Chicago was

672
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: missing a lot of defensive starters, so it just be fair.

673
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: I wrote some notes down. Now, again, this is something

674
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: John I've been on since he was at USC. Caleb

675
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: three touchdowns, no picks. He doesn't throw picks, one hundred

676
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: four passer rating two hundred and forty yards. He was

677
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: solid to above average on third down. Also, Colston Loveland

678
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: the tight end for Michigan, the rookie. That connection now

679
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: over the last two to three weeks is a real connection.

680
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: So he had that really bad strip sack.

681
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

682
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: I also wrote down he missed three throws in the

683
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:55,479
Speaker 1: first half. I've come to the conclusion that you just

684
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: you get the playmaking. This guy's going to complete sixty one,

685
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: son of his throats. I mean, if he can't do

686
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: sixty four sixty five, I wrote this down, John, this

687
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: is the I think it's the seventh time this season

688
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: Caleb's under sixty percent, and that's again with pretty damn

689
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: good protection. I've my take is Ben and Caleb it's winning.

690
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: It's not a great fit necessarily, but I think he

691
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: just deal with some inaccuracies because you get the upside

692
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 1: the ceiling so high.

693
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 2: I thought today was the best game he's played it

694
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 2: probably as a pro, you know. I mean, obviously his

695
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,439
Speaker 2: rookie season kind of throw away, but this year once

696
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 2: he got sacked by TJ. Watt and he kind of

697
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 2: felt like, oh when the Steelers did that to Daniel

698
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 2: Jones and the Colts right TJ Watt made the play,

699
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 2: It flipped that entire game, and then they kind of

700
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 2: just bull rushed them, and I was like, is this

701
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 2: gonna happen? Is he going to go into a shell?

702
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 2: He got. He was awesome in the second half. He

703
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 2: was really good, and to me, the mental toughness after

704
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 2: that play, I mean, that was a disaster risk play.

705
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 2: You know, even JJ Watts like that cannot happen holding

706
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 2: the ball when you're backed up in your own end zone.

707
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 2: So I thought like, oh, this thing could now kind

708
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 2: of unravel if anything. He went the opposite way. He

709
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 2: made a ton of plays in the second half. He's

710
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,240
Speaker 2: not accurate. He's not you know, Steve Young or Drew Brees.

711
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 2: That's not his style. I saw stat today that he

712
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 2: was under two point seven seconds getting rid of the ball,

713
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 2: which is second fastest so far this year. Like, he

714
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 2: was getting rid of the football quickly, and to me,

715
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 2: that's gonna work with Ben Johnson, So listen, I've been

716
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 2: critical of him over the course of this season. Today

717
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 2: is not one of those days for me. I was

718
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,760
Speaker 2: impressed in the second half, especially that TJ. Watt moment.

719
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 2: I can imagine when he's running over He's like, oh

720
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 2: my god, Ben's gonna want to kill me because that

721
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 2: is a no no with an offensive coach, right, And

722
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 2: he was lights out in the second half. I mean,

723
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 2: getting rid of the ball, fast, explosive plays Him and

724
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 2: DJ Moore were excellent today that you know they have

725
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 2: I think coming into this game, obviously they didn't run

726
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 2: the ball well today. I mean they're one of the

727
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 2: best running teams, I think second best in the league.

728
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 2: Today they couldn't really do it. So if you told me, hey,

729
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 2: they're not really going to run the ball, He's going

730
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 2: to have a fumble six to the Steelers on TJ. Wad,

731
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 2: I'd be like, oh, this might not be a good

732
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 2: day for him. If anything, it was the opposite. So

733
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 2: I think if you're a Bears fan, I'm feeling pretty good. Now.

734
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 2: We got a long way to go to win the division. Still,

735
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 2: you know, the Lions kept alive, and obviously the Packers

736
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 2: defense is elite, but you're eight and three. It is

737
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 2: pretty incredible little stretch here for Caleb and definitely the

738
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 2: head coach Ben Johnson. That was a massive and a

739
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 2: devastating loss for the Steelers.

740
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they were three and seven and one score games.

741
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 1: If you want to see coaching three and seven last

742
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: year in one score games and they look disorganized in

743
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: close games. They're now six and one, and that's coaching.

744
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 1: That's the touchdown swing you get. Caleb's a touchdown and

745
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: a half, like like seven and a half points better,

746
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: at least he was a couple of weeks ago when

747
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: I checked in. They score about seven and a half

748
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: points more a game, and again they probably update after today.

749
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: But I also think what Caleb's showing you. I remember

750
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: before the season started, you and I both talked about this.

751
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: You and I didn't care about wins. It was like,

752
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: cut the sacks in half and that'll be fine, which

753
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: he's john They've cut like seventy five percent of the

754
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: snack sacks. They don't get sacked at home. I mean,

755
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: so there's two or three things you just have to say, Wow,

756
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,919
Speaker 1: he doesn't get hurt. The kid doesn't throw picks high

757
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: school college bro, he doesn't throw picks today three touchdowns,

758
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: no picks, and he's coachable anything that you and I

759
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: his college issue. I remember talking to two gms about this.

760
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,439
Speaker 1: They were like, he's really a erradic throwing it, they called.

761
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: One guy said, he's like a streaky NBA shooter. He

762
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: gets into these streaks where he'll go eight for eight

763
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,479
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, you'll come out the next series

764
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 1: and you're like, he just misses. This guy's badly. He

765
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: skips balls. He's a streaky passer. And I don't think

766
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: it's based on confidence. I just don't think he has

767
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: the world's best mechanics. You know, like he had a

768
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: couple today where you know, it's just it's the Steelers,

769
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: it's Soldier Field, it's a big game, he's coming back

770
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: and he just sailed it. You know, it's like a

771
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: roll as Chapman. Everything's one hundred and four miles an hour.

772
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: Even tho it was absolute gas. But he is clearly coachable,

773
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: and I mean it's you know, and I'll say it.

774
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: Chicago's a pretty young team. This is a new staff.

775
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: It's a growth model. They're ascending, and I mean, I'm

776
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: looking at it all my notes right now. I think

777
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: Rogers flip flipping off a cameraman before the game.

778
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 2: That made me laugh. I think one thing that's been

779
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 2: big for Chicago to these last couple of weeks. I

780
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 2: saw Ben Johnson say going into this game, Luther Burdens

781
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 2: earned a bigger role. He had a bigger role today.

782
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 2: I think he had three or four catches. He had,

783
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 2: you know, an end around for a big first down. Loveland,

784
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 2: who I think early on you're looking at Tyler Warren,

785
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 2: You're going, this guy looks like the next George Kittle

786
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 2: or something. There's gonna be added pressure. Well, Loveland's really

787
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,760
Speaker 2: come on this last month. So you're getting a massive

788
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 2: impact from the tenth over pick. I forget what number

789
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 2: he was, but mid second round pick with Luther from Missouri.

790
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 2: So you're getting those impact guys to go along with

791
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 2: DJ in Rome and a head coach who is I

792
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,439
Speaker 2: think he's like the Midwest version of Kyle Shanahan loves

793
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 2: to run. It wants the scheme runs. It's all kind

794
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 2: of coming together. And like you said, if you're not

795
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 2: turned over the ball. I can live with some inaccuracies.

796
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 2: If you're scoring touchdowns, you said, I live with interceptions.

797
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 2: If you throw four touchdowns and one interception, who cares?

798
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. Right, It's where it's like you have

799
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 2: no touchdowns, one interception. It's like, well, you threw seventy

800
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 2: percent completion percentage. Great job. You want to cookie. I mean,

801
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 2: so he's scoring points, he's moving the ball. And again,

802
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 2: to me, the mental kind of fortitude of after that sack.

803
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 2: Some guys get rattled by that moment. I mean that

804
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 2: you're at home. TJ. Watt slams you to the ground.

805
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 2: I was like, god, I was kind of expecting it

806
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 2: to go the other way, and he battled and he

807
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 2: was good. I'm telling you, I was. That's that's the

808
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 2: most impressive second half for the Bay and the quarterback

809
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 2: and for the Steelers. I mean, you talk about a

810
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 2: team just in a free fall right now. They are.

811
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 2: They got a lot of issues and who knows, it's

812
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 2: not like Rogers's bone's gonna heal overnight. I mean, they

813
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 2: got Mason Rudolph wasn't the biggest issue. I mean, he was,

814
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 2: oh fine, But they are. They're just not that good.

815
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 2: I mean, let's just call it space.

816
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: And they did an average they did. Yeah, they had

817
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 1: some ingenuity, which is rare for the Steelers. They did

818
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,720
Speaker 1: that push push counter, which was their play of the game.

819
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 1: But basically, you know, all they did was dink and dump.

820
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: They didn't throw anything down the field big. So I

821
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: mean when you were watching that game, I don't know

822
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 1: how you felt, but Chicago was a better team. Chicago

823
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: was more explosive. Chicago had a better offensive, like symmetry, rhythm.

824
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 1: Chicago's a big play offense, you know. And I said

825
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: this when it comes to Caleb Williams and bow Knicks,

826
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: they're uneven, but they're really good second half quarterbacks. And

827
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: it's like, if you could choose something, you choose a

828
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: great second half quarterback. That was Mahomes. Remember his first

829
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: two years in the league. He'd fall behind twenty seven

830
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: to ten and come roaring back. So yeah, I mean

831
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: that's the one thing. Drake may is much more even

832
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 1: like he's good first drive, he's good last he's separated

833
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 1: a little bit. But Caleb and bow Nick say whatever

834
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: you want. They're both exceptional quarterbacks when they have to

835
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: be great. When they have to do it, it drives

836
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: you nuts. But overall, I would say it was a

837
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: performance for Caleb. This week's Crnstein Performer, brought to you

838
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: by McDonald's new Buffalo Ranch Sauce, is Jamir Gibbs. Whole man.

839
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: Was he good? He bailed the Lions out from losing

840
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 1: to the pesky New York Giants. Jamir Gibbs career high

841
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 1: two hundred nineteen rushing yards. His performance was satisfying, just

842
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: like the first bite at bacon Crispy Buffalo m crispy

843
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: all right. Green Bay twenty three, Minnesota six. It's official.

844
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy just not work in this league. So Minnesota

845
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: had four yards and three turnovers in the second half,

846
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 1: four yards and three turnovers. JJ McCarthy sacked five times,

847
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: no confidence, two picks. The Vikings had one hundred and

848
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: forty five total yards. This is with an elite offensive coach,

849
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson, above average O line. I mean I watched today,

850
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: green Bay coached this game. This is what the film

851
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: told you Emmanuel Wilson. I lost track after about twenty

852
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: seven carries. Twenty six carries, Green Bay told you because

853
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: Jordan Love had a bruised left shoulder, so they were

854
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 1: gonna protect him. They told you in this game as

855
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,359
Speaker 1: they settled for field goals, you wouldn't do that if

856
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: you played if you're playing Detroit or you're playing Caleb Williams,

857
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: you wouldn't do that or Sam Darnold in the NFC.

858
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: They were telling you, we're dominating time of possession. We

859
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 1: don't think JJ McCarthy can get into the end zone

860
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 1: with our defense. We don't think he can get in there.

861
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: My takeaway in this whole game was they were protecting

862
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: Jordan Love. His left is just non throwing shoulder. But

863
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,240
Speaker 1: their commitment to the run game I think was also

864
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: a nod because they're not a great running team, although

865
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 1: they had over one hundred yards today as they committed

866
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: to it, but their game plan told me a Jordan Love,

867
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: we don't want them throwing forty times b we can

868
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: win this game on field goals. Because it was beyond

869
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: conservative by Green.

870
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 2: Bay, I thought my favorite game on the board coming

871
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 2: into this weekend. I don't even know what that number

872
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 2: would have had to be for me to take the

873
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 2: Vikings against the Packers on the road with what we've

874
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 2: seen out JJ McCarthy. I you know, a lot of

875
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 2: talk about JJ McCarthy changing his mechanics and then working

876
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,280
Speaker 2: through it. That is impossible when you are actually playing

877
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 2: in games right when they if you go back to

878
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers when they drafted him from Jeff Tedford and

879
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,720
Speaker 2: he used to hold the ball up, they spent years

880
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:06,280
Speaker 2: changing his mechanics in practice and wiring that muscle memory.

881
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 2: They're trying to do this on the fly with a

882
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 2: team full of veterans. It's an epic disaster because this

883
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 2: guy's getting worse by the game. I mean he looked

884
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 2: by the game. It was pretty embarrassing today. And if

885
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 2: you're I always defend like there's a big difference of

886
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 2: acting like you know, Terrell Owens or Antonio Brown's being

887
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,959
Speaker 2: a full malecontent and just being a wide receiver who's

888
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 2: kind of angry like AJ Brown's. Some of his arguments

889
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 2: have had some validity behind him. You know, I don't

890
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,359
Speaker 2: think he's always wrong. Now we can argue how he's

891
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 2: handling it, but what he's saying is not incorrect. So

892
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 2: when I see Justin Jefferson sometimes get a little Poudy

893
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 2: like kind of understandable. He's the best player at his

894
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 2: position in the sport, and he's playing with a quarterback

895
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 2: who probably wouldn't be a backup on a lot of teams. Colin.

896
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm watching the NFL this year because so

897
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 2: many I mean everyone is, but the amount of backups

898
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 2: that play that are just from Mac Jones, did Jacobey

899
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 2: Wessett he it would be one of the worst back

900
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 2: even Mason Rudolph today, like JJ McCarthy can't function, Colin,

901
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 2: they can't function.

902
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: Davis Mills beat Josh Allen. Davis Mills, Mac Jones. These

903
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: guys are more Shador Sanders today. They're functional. They can

904
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:16,720
Speaker 1: move the ball down the field.

905
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 2: So listen, this thing is it feels over before it

906
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 2: even started. Because you're like, well, we gotta have patience.

907
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,720
Speaker 2: It's like, well, this team's not gonna have patients because

908
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 2: this offseason they're gonna have to be aggressive to find

909
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 2: some sort of veteran. And how is JJ McCarthy beating

910
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 2: that guy out. We've seen this time and time again.

911
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 2: They will bring in whoever and they'll claim it's a

912
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 2: competition and that guy will be the start of the

913
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,240
Speaker 2: week one. You can see this coming from a mile away.

914
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 2: They made a bold move and it didn't work. I mean,

915
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 2: it just simply didn't work. It backfired in their face

916
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 2: and Sam Darnold, every time I look up, there was

917
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 2: another bomb to Jackson Smith. It's like that, there's just

918
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 2: no way. If you're justin Jefferson. When you get home,

919
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 2: you put your feet up after the game and you

920
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 2: turn on some highlights and you see that you're not

921
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 2: really disappointed because, listen, you try to be a team guy.

922
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 2: He tried to be a company guy. But when you

923
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 2: screw up the quarterback position for a un no, I

924
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 2: mean just because you drafted them high. We've seen a

925
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,439
Speaker 2: lot of guys. I mean we know for a fact

926
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 2: that half the guys that are drafted fail, right. Yeah,

927
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 2: So I just think that JJ McCarthy today that was

928
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 2: the score doesn't even reflect what we witnessed. I mean,

929
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 2: half of that is just like you said, the Packers

930
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 2: are conservative slash. They're not that explosive of an offense.

931
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 2: They weren't even trying. They were like, we're not even

932
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 2: gonna put anyone in position. It felt like half the

933
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 2: balls could have been interception.

934
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Jeff Halfley, the Boston College coach who

935
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: took the DC job. It's a very solid game plan.

936
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: They don't allow anything over the top, so they didn't

937
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 1: they didn't give They were going to force JJ McCarthy

938
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: to throw the ball somewhere between eight yards and eighteen

939
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:56,760
Speaker 1: and he can't. It's you know, he actually moves pretty well,

940
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: Like I thought, Stefanski did a good job to really

941
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: utilize Shador's mobility, and I think JJ McCarthy is has

942
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 1: better mobility. But there's just there's nothing about JJ. Nothing works.

943
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 2: I think with a lot of guys, Like in baseball,

944
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 2: if you need to work through things, you go to

945
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 2: the minor leagues and they work on mechanics. That happens

946
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 2: with pitchers all the time, right, they work their way

947
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 2: through the minor leagues working on mechanics and getting something

948
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 2: right so when they get to the big leagues they

949
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 2: can just play. You see it in football at the time,

950
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 2: guys on practice squads. That's how they developed, just in practice,

951
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 2: so we can change something that we didn't like from college.

952
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 2: They didn't get a chance to do this last year

953
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 2: because he was hurt, he couldn't practice, and then this

954
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 2: year he just becomes the starter. It's hard to develop

955
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 2: a guy when he's starting, when your expectation is to

956
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 2: win immediately, and it is just backfiring in their face.

957
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 2: I mean you see it on Kevin O'Connell's face. I

958
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 2: mean he knows it because of injuries that you know,

959
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 2: Carson Wentz is you know, his whole body fell apart.

960
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 2: They have no one to go to. So it's the

961
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 2: other player in his situation that was a second you know,

962
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 2: a second year player that was just drafted would be benched, right,

963
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 2: But they're kind of screwed that he's going to continue

964
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 2: to start. And I do think it's in one of

965
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 2: those spots where it could get worse, like this thing

966
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 2: could keep unraveling, you know, because you are playing, you know,

967
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 2: is Caleb's kind of getting better. Obviously the Packers defense

968
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 2: is awesome. How are you gonna get into a scoring

969
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 2: contest with the Lions. So it's just it's a tough spot.

970
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 2: I don't this year, they're just it is what it is.

971
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 2: You're just stuck with them, and you just got to

972
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 2: ride it out and You're gonna take a lot of

973
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 2: heat because it's gonna it's gonna get uglier. Colin.

974
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,919
Speaker 1: It just is speaking of Sam Darnold. Seattle eight and three.

975
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,280
Speaker 1: Their defense took the day off. They beat Tennessee thirty

976
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:50,720
Speaker 1: to twenty four. Jackson Smith and Jigba broke Seattle's season

977
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 1: record thirteen hundred and thirteen yards. He's on pace for

978
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 1: two thousand yards as a receiver. It's never been done before.

979
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 1: Eight catches today, two touchdowns, one hundred and sixty seven

980
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: year yards. Basically, Donald played clean football one hundred and

981
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: eighteen passer rating. So this is why Seattle and John

982
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 1: Snyder elected to let DK Metcalf walk out the door.

983
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: We don't see practice footage, right, You and I don't.

984
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: We don't see it, Seattle did. Seattle knew in the

985
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 1: off season that JSN was a more complete wide receiver

986
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: than Metcalf, less moody, more productive, better route tree. Maybe

987
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: not the home run potential, although it looks like he

988
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: has it. I love JSN. He's another one of these

989
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: Ohio state receivers They've got, I mean two more coming out,

990
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: Carnell Tates coming out this year. He's unbelievable than a

991
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:43,359
Speaker 1: year after that. It's Jeremiah Smith. Seattle clearly off that

992
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 1: wild Rams loss. The defense just didn't. I thought cam

993
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: Ward and they dominated a time of possession. But my

994
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: take on JSN and Donald is the thing I'll give

995
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold.

996
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 2: Credit for is.

997
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 1: I went and looked up his passer rating today. His

998
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: passer ratings still top six in the league. Like the

999
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: reality what Sam Donald is. He has these Andrew look

1000
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 1: stink bombs. But when I watched today, he really is

1001
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,800
Speaker 1: hard to defend because Sam is one of those guys

1002
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: where he runs looking to throw. Mahomes does this. Some

1003
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: guys run to run justin fields. He's running to run.

1004
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: Sam's running to throw, and I don't think he used

1005
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: to do that years ago. But Sam Donald today is

1006
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 1: running to throw. His eyes are downfield. He did a

1007
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: couple times today against the Titans. He'd run, he'd pull back,

1008
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: he'd throw it. Seattle's a handful. Are you shocked at

1009
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: JSN is this dominant?

1010
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean I couldn't even imagined that he'd have

1011
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 2: a two thousand yard season. I mean, every time you

1012
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 2: look up, he looks like a mixture of Jerry Rice

1013
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 2: meets Randy Moss because you think this guy was more

1014
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 2: of a slot receiver. I think that was the knock

1015
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 2: why he didn't go that high. Typically, guys that are

1016
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 2: more outside Jimar Chase, Justin Jefferson went in the twenties.

1017
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 2: But like that's a AJ Green Julio Jones, like your

1018
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 2: blue chip outside guy can go in the top five.

1019
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 2: This guy looks like how did this guy fall so

1020
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 2: far in the draft and no one knew he was

1021
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 2: this good? I mean, but John Snider did, and I

1022
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 2: think he gets credit as he should for some all

1023
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 2: time great moves this offseason, punting on Geno Smith to

1024
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 2: acquire Sam Darnald and punting on DK Metcalf to just

1025
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 2: kind of feature this guy. I mean, it was a

1026
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 2: double whammie. The money that he saved. I mean, Gino

1027
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 2: costs more than Sam Donald and DK Metcalf the Steelers,

1028
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 2: which honestly to me, have made no sense, Like, hey, guys,

1029
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 2: you're not a wide receiver away, let alone a guy

1030
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:45,280
Speaker 2: this is his third contract, right, This is not Jamar

1031
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 2: Chase or Jefferson or Ceede Lamb. What are these guys

1032
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 2: twenty five twenty six going into their second contract you're

1033
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,959
Speaker 2: trading this guy. I mean most players this is gonna

1034
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 2: have four contracts, Like, it's pretty risky for you guys

1035
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,439
Speaker 2: to make this move with a second round pick, where

1036
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 2: you can just find guys like Luther Burden George Pickens.

1037
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 2: And that's the other thing they get rid of George Pickens.

1038
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 2: Every time I look at the Cowboys, George Pickens is

1039
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 2: making place. So you look at the Steelers some terrible

1040
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 2: personnel moves, and you look at John Schneider. You know

1041
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 2: it goes back to hiring Mike McDonald which it's not

1042
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 2: the sexiest thing to hire defensive coaches anymore. Everyone wants

1043
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 2: the Kevin O'Connell's, the Sean mcvaz and rightfully so. But

1044
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 2: he hired it looks like the right guy, and then

1045
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 2: he made incredible personnel moves this offseason. And I anytime

1046
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 2: you go on the road against a terrible team, it

1047
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 2: didn't really shock me that it was three to three

1048
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 2: kind of lifeless environment. It's just it's a tough spot

1049
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 2: for any good team. Once you get November December and

1050
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 2: you're playing a two to three win team, Like, I

1051
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 2: give you a little grace if you're down seven to nothing,

1052
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 2: after the first quarter. But then they flip that switch

1053
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 2: in the team's speed. It was like, this thing's over

1054
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 2: once they score thirteen on answer, You're like, this is

1055
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 2: the Titans. Titans are really bad. Like that's that's one

1056
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,439
Speaker 2: of those jobs that I don't know if I would

1057
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 2: leave if I was a coordinator. Yeah, that's pretty risky.

1058
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 2: It's that's a place where I know you get more

1059
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 2: money to be a head coach, but feels like where

1060
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,240
Speaker 2: you get your career kind of goes to get derailed.

1061
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 1: Okay, Detroit thirty four New York Giants twenty seven in

1062
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: overtime over one thousand yards of offense. John, I'm gonna

1063
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna describe this as a bad win for Detroit.

1064
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: Now Jamiir Gibbs had two hundred and sixty yards of

1065
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: scrimmage yards saved. He was, I mean he literally he was.

1066
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 1: He saved them, but nine penalties surrendered five hundred and

1067
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 1: twenty yards. New York dominated time of possession. Jamis Winston

1068
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 1: had three hundred and sixty passing yards with no number

1069
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:42,760
Speaker 1: one wide receiver. The Lions now Chicago's eight and three,

1070
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 1: Green Bay seven and three, Detroit seven and four, and

1071
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 1: they still have to face the Bears in Chicago and

1072
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: the Rams in LA. They are not. The Lions do

1073
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: not feel as sharp to me, They just don't. They

1074
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: had to be saved by Jamiir Gibbs. Amaran Saint Brown

1075
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: had a drop today that never happened. There is a listen.

1076
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: I love their personnel and I love the culture that

1077
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell has created. But the New York Giants multiple

1078
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:13,800
Speaker 1: times today, if they had any kind they've got to

1079
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: make some changes on that staff. Defensively, they couldn't make

1080
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 1: any stops today, big holes all through their defense. I

1081
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 1: didn't love this for Detroit. I thought it was a

1082
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:25,399
Speaker 1: bad win.

1083
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think defensively they are a team that you

1084
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 2: can't bet on to win. You win the NFC, to

1085
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 2: compete for Super Bowl. They're falling apart. I mean for

1086
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 2: Jamis Winston, who again, honestly, if he had been the

1087
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:40,879
Speaker 2: backup insaid of Russell Wilson, maybe Brian dabol is still

1088
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 2: employed by the Giants. I mean they are a functional

1089
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 2: offense with him now. Granted he's throwing it to Wan

1090
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 2: Dale Robinson, who looks like Odell Beckham in his prime

1091
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 2: out there against the Lions, which is really concerning because offensively, obviously,

1092
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:56,399
Speaker 2: you know, Gibbs is an elite player at any moment,

1093
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 2: a lot like Saquon last year. He can take one

1094
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 2: fifty sixty seventy yards. You know, am In Ross Saint

1095
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 2: Brown is just he's an exception. He had a huge day,

1096
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,800
Speaker 2: nine cats from fifty yards. Offense is not gonna be

1097
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:08,320
Speaker 2: their issue because he just have too much talent. But

1098
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 2: even offensive line today they were kind of they were

1099
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 2: getting after golf a little bit. The problem is is,

1100
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 2: I don't think they're gonna win the division. So do

1101
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 2: you like Jared Goff to go on the road to Philly,

1102
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 2: to Green Bay to whoever in the first round. You

1103
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 2: can't because outside you talk about Dak Prescott being in

1104
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 2: a controlled environment. Jared Goff is even more because Dak

1105
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 2: is not the athlete that he once was, but he

1106
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 2: still can move a little bit. Jared Goff can't move

1107
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 2: at all. So we saw a couple weeks ago. I'm

1108
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 2: getting my weeks whenever he played in Philly. I guess

1109
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:39,919
Speaker 2: that was last Sunday night. You know it gets cold,

1110
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 2: he's got those two gloves on. You're like, this is

1111
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 2: not gonna go. Well, he is not comfortable in the cold.

1112
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 2: He just isn't that The numbers speak for themselves. So

1113
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 2: like you're not gonna be playing the big playoff games

1114
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 2: in the Dome like you your chances really were the

1115
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,800
Speaker 2: last two years. You know, it looked like the Ravens

1116
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 2: their windows close, the bills their windows close. The Lions

1117
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:01,839
Speaker 2: had a twenty four to seven lead against the forty

1118
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 2: nine ers two years ago. Last year they had a

1119
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 2: home game against Washington who didn't have that. Now, granted

1120
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,720
Speaker 2: they had a bunch of injuries, but those two teams

1121
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 2: were Taylor made. You know, given their record, what is

1122
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:15,839
Speaker 2: this an eleven win team? Like last year they won

1123
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,800
Speaker 2: what fifteen games? Like this is probably eleven win team.

1124
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 1: John We know that Dan Campbell's not a scheme guy.

1125
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: So when he had a great scheme guy in Ben

1126
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 1: Johnson and was been there three years or three or.

1127
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 2: He was there the whole time, but he didn't call

1128
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 2: plays the whole time.

1129
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: So when Ben started calling plays, that that's your zenith.

1130
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 1: That's when you are at your best, where a culture

1131
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: creator with a great GM has a brilliant play designer

1132
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 1: and play caller. And they had two to three years

1133
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:51,240
Speaker 1: of that and they were the talk of the league.

1134
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 2: We talked.

1135
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:53,919
Speaker 1: I mean, Ben Johnson was off of the Washington job

1136
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:55,919
Speaker 1: or the Indie job, and he decided on the plane,

1137
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:57,439
Speaker 1: I don't want to take it. And then he goes

1138
00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 1: and gets the Bears job because he likes Caleb. He

1139
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 1: knows that they and so here was a This was

1140
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 1: a team that was romanticized. We loved this team. We

1141
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 1: loved Ben Johnson. And it does feel like they're not

1142
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 1: as sharp offensively. They had to be saved today. They're

1143
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: not as good defensively. I mean, Aaron Glenn may not

1144
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 1: be a great head coach, but fifty top coordinators don't

1145
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 1: make it as head coaches. So when I when I

1146
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 1: watch them right now, I feel like I'm getting if

1147
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 1: last year the fastball, two years ago, the fastball was

1148
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: ninety nine. Last year it was ninety seven. Now it's

1149
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: about ninety three. I just think it's hittable. I don't

1150
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: think they just I mean, listen, they're just too talented

1151
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: on the offensive side to not score points. Somebody's oh

1152
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: as hot. But when I watched that game today, I

1153
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 1: was like, I thought the Giants had it won.

1154
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the line should have lost, like you said,

1155
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 2: I mean gives bailed them out, give save their season,

1156
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 2: gives save their season. Now he's an exceptional player, just

1157
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 2: save any single game. But it felt like the Lions

1158
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:04,919
Speaker 2: were gonna lose that game all of a sudden. Would

1159
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 2: they not be a lock to be in the playoffs,

1160
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 2: I mean they would be in major, major trouble. I

1161
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 2: just think sometimes you have the perfect combination, you know,

1162
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 2: to be like having like a General Patton having sealed

1163
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 2: team six, like good luck against them. And I think

1164
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 2: you know, a couple of years ago, Lamar Jackson had

1165
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 2: Mike McDonald as his defensive coordinator with John Harbaugh leading

1166
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 2: the troops. It doesn't get any better than that. And

1167
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 2: now you look back, it's like, well it's not the same.

1168
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 2: You know. Dan Quinn once had Kyle Shanahan his offensive coordinators,

1169
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 2: like and they had a lead in the Super Bowl,

1170
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 2: like these windows. Most people are not Andy Reid mahomes

1171
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 2: where you get time and time again you're in the

1172
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. Sometimes you look back and you go, God,

1173
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 2: that was our one shot. And it does feel like

1174
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 2: the Lions, cause again, Aiden Hutchinson is gonna need a massive,

1175
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 2: massive contract. They are paying these guys a lot of money, right,

1176
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 2: Jared Goff makes a lot of money. Saint Brown makes

1177
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 2: a lot of money. Panee Sewell makes a lot of money.

1178
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 2: Jamiir Gibbs is going to need a contract. You know. Laporta, now,

1179
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 2: who was an exceptional player, just had back surgery. I

1180
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 2: love watching the guy. I keep my fingers crossed. But

1181
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 2: you never know how guys respond to back surgery. You

1182
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 2: just things change really really fast. So I as a

1183
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 2: fan of the Lions and kind of what they stood for,

1184
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 2: it feels dramatically different this year, he said, personnel wise,

1185
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 2: and definitely coaching wise.

1186
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: No Jackson Dart, no Scataboo, no Molik Neighbors. The Giants

1187
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: had five hundred and seventeen yards, dominate time of possession,

1188
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 1: twenty five first downs, fifty percent on third down. Like,

1189
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's that's awful. And Jamis is weird. I

1190
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 1: mean he's just such a bizarre I mean he really

1191
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 1: he made a couple throws. I mean he's always been

1192
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 1: one of those guys. He and Marcus Mariota came out.

1193
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: They were the top two quarterbacks. Mariota more of a

1194
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 1: runner than a thrower. Jamis was a pure thrower, but

1195
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 1: he was an interception machine. He's always been productive nobody

1196
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 1: and he's got kind of a spirit and a joyfulness

1197
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 1: that he's like easy to root for. I watched games.

1198
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 1: I'm wildly entertaining.

1199
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 2: Same. Can those guys be any more polar Opsit either

1200
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 2: Marks Barry Otis says nothing. He's a dink and dunk quarterback.

1201
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 2: Jamis never stops talking and flings it fifty yards down

1202
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 2: the field every play.

1203
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 1: Just just a wild But I Detroit just feels like

1204
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: it's a very hittable fastball. And that's what I feel

1205
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 1: like now, and that's what I Listen, John, this was

1206
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: this was my off season.

1207
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 2: Bitch.

1208
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 1: When you lose two elite coordinators, they had coaching jobs,

1209
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 1: you have to leave the building. You can't hire both

1210
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 1: guys in the building. It's one thing, by the way,

1211
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 1: if you had the next McVeigh behind Ben Johnson, but

1212
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 1: you lose Ben, you just go to a guy in

1213
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 1: the building. And I say this because I've worked in

1214
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 1: newsrooms for years and years and we would lose a

1215
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 1: news director and it was like, we'll go get the

1216
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 1: best news director. The assistant news director who's been the

1217
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: nine years is the news director. If he was that ambitious,

1218
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 1: he would have left us and gotten a news director job.

1219
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 1: Like so, just always like giving it to the guy

1220
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 1: in the building. I'm not a fan of that. I've

1221
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 1: seen too many college football programs do the same, where

1222
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: they hire the popular assistant or coordinator. Ninety percent of

1223
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 1: the time, it never works.

1224
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 2: You know, you look at these three teams, the Lions,

1225
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 2: the Bears, and the Packers, you know, looking at their schedules.

1226
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 2: The Bear still they got to play the Eagles, they

1227
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 2: got to play the forty nine Ers, they got to

1228
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 2: play the Packers twice. The Lions play the Packers this week,

1229
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 2: and then the Packers obviously the Bears twice. I can

1230
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 2: see this thing going any all three directions. I think

1231
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 2: the most pressure given that they made that trade and

1232
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 2: they paid Micah. I think you'd be hard pressed to

1233
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 2: feel good about yourself if you're the Packers and you know,

1234
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 2: win this division. I think the pressure solely on them.

1235
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 2: The Bears, You're kind of like they're in the casino

1236
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 2: right now and they've won a lot of hands of

1237
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 2: blackjack and they only came in with one hundred dollars

1238
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 2: and they look down. They got a five k next

1239
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 2: on them they're playing with a little house money, right, Yeah,

1240
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 2: they have the least amount of pressure on them, right,

1241
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 2: But you go eight and three, you know, you can't

1242
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 2: just end the season nine and eight. So there's the

1243
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 2: pressure of okay that you get a wild card. But

1244
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 2: the pressure is squarely on the Lions Dan Campbell, this

1245
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 2: high price roster, and the Packers. One of those two

1246
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 2: teams has to win the division. If the Bears do,

1247
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 2: something's gonna happen somewhere.

1248
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 1: Well, and also the Bears, as you and I watched today,

1249
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 1: the Bears are getting better and that's CALO's best game.

1250
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 1: Detroit's going the opposite direction, you know, like if you

1251
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 1: have an average boss, you get worse over time.

1252
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1253
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 1: Like I feel like Detroit had a couple of really

1254
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 1: good weeks, but I don't feel like consistently I get

1255
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 1: a good effort from Detroit. I always feel one side

1256
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 1: of the ball or the other disappoints me. I think

1257
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 1: Chicago's feeling different.

1258
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 2: Well, the other two teams have it, you know, the

1259
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 2: Packers Half Lee calling the defense, La floors the offense, right,

1260
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 2: the Bears, Ben Johnson the offense's baby Dennis. He doesn't

1261
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 2: even mess with Dennis Allen and listen, their defensive personnel

1262
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 2: is not great. They create a lot of turnovers. You

1263
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 2: got Campbell who was yanking to play calling back. I

1264
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 2: look today, you know he didn't have the glasses on,

1265
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 2: so it's like, is he letting the other guy call plays?

1266
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 2: It didn't necessarily matter because the offense was humming. But

1267
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 2: obviously defensively, you know, Aaron Glenn could just kind of rout.

1268
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 2: He just had a lot more experience than the young

1269
01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 2: guy Kelvin Sheppard this year, who like, they just have

1270
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 2: a lot of injuries. And I've kind of theorized I

1271
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 2: think that the forty nine ers, I think that the Bears,

1272
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 2: I think the Lions. Those programs like to run the ball.

1273
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 2: I think it wears on you in practice. You know,

1274
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 2: back in the eighties and nineties, guys were much more callous.

1275
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 2: Do you had double days? I think now in the NFL,

1276
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 2: some of these teams that practice hard throughout the season,

1277
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 2: the players, there's not like a build up over time.

1278
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 2: And I think there might be a little correlation because

1279
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 2: the Lions and the forty nine ers, two teams that

1280
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 2: want to run the ball, they have a ton of

1281
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 2: injuries every single year, and I just wonder if they

1282
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 2: practice like pretty physical. And I don't know that there's

1283
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 2: not a right or wrong way to do it, but man,

1284
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:38,640
Speaker 2: these teams have a lot of injuries every single year

1285
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 2: coming down the stretch.

1286
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 1: All right, two college topics to finish, this will take

1287
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 1: ten to fifteen minutes. Number one USC in another big game.

1288
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 1: We all knew the three biggest games for USC this year.

1289
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 1: At Illinois they surrendered over five hundred yards. At Notre

1290
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 1: Dame they gave up four hundred and forty two yards,

1291
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 1: and at Oregon they gave up forty two points four

1292
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty six yards, and the Ducks were missing

1293
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 1: their top three receivers. So once again, here we are

1294
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 1: in year four, and every time USC is in one

1295
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 1: of these big games, those three are all on the road.

1296
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 1: They're a very mediocre defense, they're special teams in big games.

1297
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 1: A wrack, totally inconsistent. And it was interesting I saw

1298
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 1: a quote after this loss and Lincoln Riley once again

1299
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 1: really kind of snippy with media, very kind of snarky,

1300
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 1: and you know, just not able to get through a

1301
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 1: press conference with any pointed criticism or anybody questioning anything.

1302
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 1: His quote was we're very, very close. So they carry

1303
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 1: them all twenty seven times for fifty two yards. What

1304
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 1: do you think Smart would say four years in if

1305
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 1: his Bulldogs had twenty seven carries for fifty two yards

1306
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 1: in a big game, he would be embarrassed to say

1307
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 1: we're close. He would be freaking on fire. He would

1308
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 1: be lamenting the physicality he would call on his team.

1309
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 1: I just think four years in, I know Lincoln's smart.

1310
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:26,439
Speaker 1: I know he's a good offensive coach. I know he's

1311
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 1: taken Jade and myav from a reckless UNLV player to

1312
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 1: like a second round, third round quarterback draft pick. But

1313
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:38,760
Speaker 1: I'm watching another big game with USC and they're not close. Defensively,

1314
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 1: they're not close. First three years, he didn't recruit Southern

1315
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 1: California efficiently. I mean, he's not gonna They're not letting

1316
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:50,240
Speaker 1: him go. But it's frustrating to hear right now their

1317
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 1: ball proposition, the projection is BYU. Now what USC fan

1318
01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 1: wants to play BYU in a ballgame and be satisfied

1319
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:00,840
Speaker 1: with that?

1320
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:03,600
Speaker 2: I think the hard thing, too, is that Bred venables

1321
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 2: and the Oklahoma is sixty minutes away from being in

1322
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 2: the College Football Playoff and Bred Venables is a good example. Right,

1323
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 2: He's a defensive guy. His defense dominates and there's a

1324
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 2: toughness to his team, and they have a clear identity

1325
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 2: if usc and that was I mean, did you think

1326
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:22,920
Speaker 2: they had any chance on the road at Oregon? Because not.

1327
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 2: I feel if they played Let's take Oregon and Notre Dame,

1328
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 2: two playoff teams. Oregon's obviously had some injuries. Notre Dame

1329
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 2: looks fantastic. If they play those two teams ten times,

1330
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 2: I think they lose nine times to both teams. It's football.

1331
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:38,120
Speaker 2: It's a one game scenario. Maybe you fumble a couple

1332
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 2: of times, get a pick. Weird things happen, but they

1333
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 2: aren't even remotely close to those two teams that when

1334
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 2: you hired Lincoln Riley and the Hoopla and I bought it.

1335
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 2: I said, hey, that's a coup. Like what you got

1336
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 2: this guy to come, It's going to be awesome. You're

1337
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 2: four years in and you're watching these playoff teams. Okay,

1338
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 2: they have a great recruiting class in twenty twenty six,

1339
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 2: Well what took so long? Yeah, So going into the

1340
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 2: fifth year, we finally have the number one or two

1341
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:08,560
Speaker 2: recruiting class. I heard something maybe with Bruce Feldman mentioned

1342
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 2: this that Oregon now, granted they have been a better

1343
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:14,040
Speaker 2: program for a while, but part of bringing Lincoln back.

1344
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 2: And this is what you know. USC fans like yourself

1345
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 2: want the Pete Carroll days. Well, Oregon looks like that

1346
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:23,080
Speaker 2: version in USC just looks like an average, you know,

1347
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 2: eight nine win college football team. They look you could

1348
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 2: replace USC with just Arizona or you know, just a

1349
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 2: random program. That's what a random program looks like, not

1350
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 2: someone that you gave one hundred and twenty million dollars

1351
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 2: to and have unlimited in il Now.

1352
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 1: John, they didn't have to play Indiana this year, they

1353
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 1: didn't have to play Indiana last year. They didn't have

1354
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 1: to play Ohio State this year or last year. And

1355
01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 1: they got Harbaugh out of the conference before they joined.

1356
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 1: This could be so much worse. They've gotten complete breaks.

1357
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 1: They got Penn State once at home. They got Harbaugh's replacement.

1358
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:01,479
Speaker 1: We don't know if he's the guy. They didn't face

1359
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 1: the buck guys of the Hoosiers. So next year they

1360
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:08,360
Speaker 1: face Ohio State and Oregon and Washington and Penn State

1361
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:13,920
Speaker 1: and Indiana and Notre Dame. So now they get several

1362
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 1: at home. But it's just four years in. When they

1363
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 1: play elite teams, especially on the road, special teams are

1364
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 1: often a disaster and the defense is completely mediocre. That

1365
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 1: is the reality. They're pretty good at home. I mean

1366
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 1: they played really different football at home because they're comfortable.

1367
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:42,880
Speaker 1: Well that's the Big Ten. The SEC road games are

1368
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:47,760
Speaker 1: discomfort That's how you win in the SEC and the

1369
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:52,200
Speaker 1: Big Ten. Ohio State can go into Penn State and win.

1370
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 1: It's not about winning the comfortable games. So I you know,

1371
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:02,880
Speaker 1: and I'm I am surprised at how efficient and how

1372
01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 1: successful Oklahoma's been because Brett Venables had never been a

1373
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:08,800
Speaker 1: head coach, and he was a defensive coach. And the

1374
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 1: whole world now moves. The rules are all helping offense.

1375
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:14,600
Speaker 1: But I think at this point, four years in with

1376
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 1: USC to say we're close, if you face the Buckeyes

1377
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:24,880
Speaker 1: both years, you'd have two more devastating blowout losses. You're

1378
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:25,519
Speaker 1: not close.

1379
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:29,160
Speaker 2: I like Dan Lanning. He seems like a really impressive guy.

1380
01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 2: He took over kind of a ready made operation. I'd

1381
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:35,799
Speaker 2: say the same thing. I would imagine Chip would admit

1382
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:38,320
Speaker 2: to this too. Now Dan took him to another level.

1383
01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 2: The Mario just like Chip took him to another level

1384
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 2: from Blotti. But those things Okay, they went from the

1385
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:46,840
Speaker 2: seventeenth ranked team to the fourth ranked team. Right, it's

1386
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 2: a lot different. Lincoln Riley took over Oklahoma, it was

1387
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:52,320
Speaker 2: a lot like Dan Lanning kind of Taylor made now

1388
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:54,720
Speaker 2: he took it to another level than Stoops had had him.

1389
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:58,439
Speaker 2: But that's it's a good landing spot for a job, right,

1390
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 2: take over Arkansas tomorrow. If I'm Dan Lanning in four years,

1391
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:05,800
Speaker 2: would he be? I don't know. You know, Lincoln came

1392
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 2: to USC like that was a very challenging job, right,

1393
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 2: and a small percentage of guys right in the if

1394
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:15,800
Speaker 2: you I don't know if Kirby fits the LA kind

1395
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 2: of ethos, but any good code urban nick, like a

1396
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:21,200
Speaker 2: high level coach would be able to handle it. But

1397
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:24,280
Speaker 2: not everyone can. And there's a level of to me,

1398
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:27,759
Speaker 2: it's there's a craziness to you. You can't just be like, oh,

1399
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 2: I have a lot of offensive ingenuity, create plays. Okay,

1400
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 2: there's a lot more to that. You'd be able to

1401
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 2: score points any college you're coaching. What about the culture

1402
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 2: you set in practice of physicality, because that's how it's

1403
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 2: going to translate in this conference. In a lot of

1404
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:45,680
Speaker 2: places that come October, let alone November, the weather's not

1405
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 2: gonna be great and it might not be freezing cold,

1406
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:49,880
Speaker 2: but you're gonna have to play kind of tough bully ball.

1407
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 2: Well that's not really how Lincoln wants to play. Why, Well,

1408
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 2: who taught Lincoln Riley how to coach football? Mike Leach

1409
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:57,559
Speaker 2: once upon a time. That's like his roots and what

1410
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 2: was Mike Leach who got to higher highs or as

1411
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:03,439
Speaker 2: equal Like one thing he struggled with that Lincoln struggles

1412
01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:06,400
Speaker 2: with is just defensive guys because the style of offense

1413
01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 2: it doesn't really create a physical element or what Dan

1414
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 2: Lanning knows. He knows Nick Saban and he knows Kirby

1415
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 2: Smart what their ethos is. That there's a toughness to

1416
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:17,200
Speaker 2: their team. You see it when you watch them play.

1417
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:21,880
Speaker 2: It's why they've transitioned and will transition perfectly with Ohio State.

1418
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 2: Indie like their culture is that Michigan like they are

1419
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:28,599
Speaker 2: the same. So when I watch Lincoln Riley, you know

1420
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:32,400
Speaker 2: Pete Carroll's greatness was physicality and defense. Now, I think

1421
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 2: when most people just know Matt Lioner, Reggie Bush but

1422
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:39,639
Speaker 2: they were defined by their defensive draft picks pros.

1423
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:42,760
Speaker 1: They had four linebacker Clay Matthews couldn't start. I mean,

1424
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:46,439
Speaker 1: they were just rivers of mal Luga and everybody was.

1425
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 1: They were just so good within the front seven.

1426
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I just think it's going to be very,

1427
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 2: very challenging. He's lucky Jim's gone because Michigan wouldn't have

1428
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:56,920
Speaker 2: and who knows, maybe they upset on how State can,

1429
01:11:57,040 --> 01:12:01,000
Speaker 2: but how do they match? Like Signetti clearly listen, I

1430
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:03,519
Speaker 2: know he rubbed me wrong at first with it, but

1431
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:06,439
Speaker 2: he's backed it up. He's clearly a tough guy. You know,

1432
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:09,280
Speaker 2: he's he's he's a tough guy. Like you can't. I've

1433
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:11,200
Speaker 2: always said that you can't fake it. You either are

1434
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:14,720
Speaker 2: you aren't. And some offensive guys just aren't, you know.

1435
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:17,800
Speaker 2: But like I don't think Sean McVeigh would be known

1436
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 2: as like the toughest guy in the block. But he

1437
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 2: really values defense, drafting those guys, investing in those guys,

1438
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:27,680
Speaker 2: and it's something that he emphasizes, right, And it just

1439
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 2: feels like when you watch Lincoln Riley's teams, like you

1440
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:32,720
Speaker 2: can't convince me that they emphasize that that part of

1441
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:34,759
Speaker 2: the ball. You can't just because you pay a defensive

1442
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:37,720
Speaker 2: coordinator a lot of money, that doesn't solve your problems.

1443
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think they went heavy into the NIL,

1444
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:45,880
Speaker 1: spent their money poorly in some instances outside of Jade

1445
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 1: Mayava and Caleb Williams and Jordan Addison, and they neglected

1446
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:53,120
Speaker 1: Southern California recruiting in that big pursuit of NIL players.

1447
01:12:53,200 --> 01:12:56,880
Speaker 1: And they have kind of a I mean, I mean

1448
01:12:56,880 --> 01:13:00,200
Speaker 1: their defense, they were missing Kamari Ramsey this weekend. They

1449
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:02,479
Speaker 1: just don't have They don't have any high level pros.

1450
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:05,760
Speaker 1: I mean it's at their offense is Makay Lemon and

1451
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:08,559
Speaker 1: Jade Myovitz a two man offense. So they just don't

1452
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:12,360
Speaker 1: have enough talent. And that is over spending in NIL

1453
01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:17,000
Speaker 1: and spending poorly and under recruiting Southern California. Former USC

1454
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 1: coach briefly Lane Kiffen this and nobody exits quite like Lane.

1455
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:27,040
Speaker 1: You know, the Tennessee situation like they wanted to burn

1456
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 1: his house down. The Raiders was messy. USC got fired

1457
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 1: in a tarmac. I was listening to Rick Neuheisel joke

1458
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 1: about it this week. He nobody leaves and exits worse

1459
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:41,120
Speaker 1: than Lane. Kiffen to me, stay at ol MISS or

1460
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 1: go pro. I just think for me, I don't want

1461
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:47,040
Speaker 1: to bounce around a conference. If you can make twelve million,

1462
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:50,280
Speaker 1: old Miss, I'll take that over the sixteen million at LSU.

1463
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 1: The governor's involved in LSU. The pressure is much greater

1464
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:57,719
Speaker 1: at LSU. Here's what I believe to be true. Lane

1465
01:13:57,800 --> 01:14:02,680
Speaker 1: knows that high school players IL recruits will follow an

1466
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 1: offensive coach. He'll go to the whiteboard and he'll sit

1467
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:09,920
Speaker 1: down with quarterbacks, tight ends, tackles and receivers, backs and

1468
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:15,879
Speaker 1: draw up plays. Offensive players follow the coach. Defensive players

1469
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:20,000
Speaker 1: go to the five or six Clemson, Georgia, Notre Dame,

1470
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:23,280
Speaker 1: Ohio State. Defensive players aren't as likely to follow coaches

1471
01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:26,080
Speaker 1: in schemes. They want to go get paid at Texas

1472
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:30,800
Speaker 1: right or at Georgia. Here Clemson, that's right. Lane can

1473
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 1: get those players there. Lane doesn't think consistently, I believe

1474
01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:39,080
Speaker 1: that he can get elite five star defensive in the

1475
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:42,679
Speaker 1: box players. He knows he can get them offensively. Where

1476
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaker 1: he go back to USC and get him it doesn't matter.

1477
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 1: And so to me, I think Lane's certainly good enough

1478
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:50,759
Speaker 1: to do NFL but I think the Lane has proven

1479
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:53,560
Speaker 1: over time that when you put him in pressure situations,

1480
01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 1: he's he doesn't have a filter, he didn't have a governor.

1481
01:14:57,400 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 1: He can be a little bit snarky and off putting

1482
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 1: and needs to put his phone down probably more often.

1483
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 1: In the end, I think Ole Miss is a great fit,

1484
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:08,639
Speaker 1: and I think he'd be excellent in certain NFL cities

1485
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:11,919
Speaker 1: like Arizona where he could go back west, not high pressure.

1486
01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:15,680
Speaker 1: They'd be, you know, an offensive coach with McVeigh and Shanahan.

1487
01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:18,840
Speaker 1: What do you think happens, Well.

1488
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:21,360
Speaker 2: I think he feels, you know, he's mastered this college

1489
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:23,840
Speaker 2: thing because he goes We just had the greatest three

1490
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:25,719
Speaker 2: years in the history of the program at Old Miss,

1491
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:28,360
Speaker 2: and it's because of me. Like Lane's feeling himself right

1492
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 2: now pretty big so and I don't blame him. I

1493
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 2: mean what he's done at Ole Miss is pretty remarkable.

1494
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:35,360
Speaker 2: But when I see a lot of people saying he

1495
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:36,960
Speaker 2: can't leave because they're not going to let him coach

1496
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 2: the playoffs by all accounts in all reports, right, So

1497
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:42,120
Speaker 2: if they win against Missippi State, he's gonna leave, Like

1498
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:44,920
Speaker 2: that will be it. Now. If he loses and leaves

1499
01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:49,320
Speaker 2: Ole Miss misses the playoffs, it would get as ugly

1500
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:51,760
Speaker 2: of an ending as he had in Tennessee. I mean,

1501
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 2: it would be pretty Remember Nick Savid told him to

1502
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:55,680
Speaker 2: pack his bags and get the hell out of there

1503
01:15:55,720 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 2: going into the National Championship game. But by all reports,

1504
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:02,080
Speaker 2: and it looks like he's going to LSU. And I

1505
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 2: understand because I think he goes, this is not a

1506
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 2: sustainable thing at ole Miss, because they're changing the nil

1507
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:11,600
Speaker 2: at least, you know, we'll see if it holds. But

1508
01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:13,720
Speaker 2: you're not just gonna be able to buy players like

1509
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:16,559
Speaker 2: ole Miss has been doing. They have been the leader

1510
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:18,439
Speaker 2: on the front of just buying guys and lanes on

1511
01:16:18,479 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 2: the right guys. Lane's talent acquisition and I would say

1512
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:26,760
Speaker 2: talent evaluation has been pretty lights out. I mean, from

1513
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:30,640
Speaker 2: Walter Nolan last year to this Division two quarterback he is,

1514
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:33,360
Speaker 2: so he goes, you put me at LSU. You put

1515
01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:35,200
Speaker 2: me you know, if Kaylin Dubore were to go to

1516
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:37,320
Speaker 2: Penn State, you know's some rumors out there on that one.

1517
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:40,559
Speaker 2: He's just going I will have the best roster. I'll

1518
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 2: just have Ohio State two point zero in the South.

1519
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:45,639
Speaker 2: And so to me, it does feel like he's gonna leave.

1520
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:48,679
Speaker 2: I do think this thing is gonna be ugly. Don't

1521
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 2: necessarily blame him. I understand people in the South, you know,

1522
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:56,320
Speaker 2: kind of especially if you're an old misfan, think you're

1523
01:16:56,320 --> 01:17:00,200
Speaker 2: getting screwed. But up until three years ago before Nil, well,

1524
01:17:00,439 --> 01:17:02,360
Speaker 2: there's not a coach alive that would a state at

1525
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:05,000
Speaker 2: Old Miss over going to LSU or Florida. Right, So

1526
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:08,080
Speaker 2: this has changed recently, and maybe he knows that this

1527
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:10,960
Speaker 2: is not a sustainable model the way it is, but

1528
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:14,639
Speaker 2: only Lane Kiffen can create this type drama. I also

1529
01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 2: will defend. You know, people go, well, how are you

1530
01:17:17,479 --> 01:17:19,120
Speaker 2: leaving a team that has a chance to win the

1531
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 2: national championship? My pushback would be Ole Miss has no chance.

1532
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:25,479
Speaker 2: Their defense isn't good. No team in college or the

1533
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:28,200
Speaker 2: NFL can win and win a championship with a bad defense.

1534
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:31,599
Speaker 2: Now can they win a playoff game? Absolutely, But are

1535
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 2: they going to win four straight games? I mean, look

1536
01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:34,680
Speaker 2: at the two teams last year in the night where

1537
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:38,439
Speaker 2: Ohio State and Notre Dame defense matters Texas Georgia. Look

1538
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:41,719
Speaker 2: look at the teams making Penn State runs last year. Defense.

1539
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:44,479
Speaker 2: His defense isn't good, so he knows that like this

1540
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 2: might be as good as it gets. Now listen the

1541
01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:50,519
Speaker 2: timing and I this thing is going to be a

1542
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 2: shit show here come Friday, because they play the Egg

1543
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:55,840
Speaker 2: Bowl on Friday. You know all this stuff. I mean,

1544
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:58,040
Speaker 2: is there an announcement the moment that game ends if

1545
01:17:58,040 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 2: they win that Lane Kiffin has agreed to a ded

1546
01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:02,640
Speaker 2: with LSU feels like Jimmy Sexton's kind of being the

1547
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 2: puppet master here the SEC, the O, the other thing

1548
01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:10,559
Speaker 2: Colin all these schools like the NFL, right, the SEC,

1549
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 2: they're all in business together and they have a historic

1550
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:15,760
Speaker 2: television deal making seventy five eighty million dollars a year.

1551
01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:19,160
Speaker 2: Say no different in the NFL, right, the Rams and

1552
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:21,640
Speaker 2: the Niners and the Steelers and the Ravens, they're all

1553
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:24,360
Speaker 2: in business together. Yet they all work together like you

1554
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:27,000
Speaker 2: can't the Giants just because they have Jackson Dark can't

1555
01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:29,599
Speaker 2: just go steal McVeigh or Kyle right because they're all

1556
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:34,599
Speaker 2: under the same umbrella. Yet in college athletics, the SEC,

1557
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:37,479
Speaker 2: the two other SEC schools that look down upon Ole

1558
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:40,360
Speaker 2: miss are trying to steal their coach. So you know,

1559
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:42,280
Speaker 2: I hear all this stuff about the business model. You

1560
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:44,360
Speaker 2: could argue, it's all out of whack. You can just

1561
01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:47,320
Speaker 2: steal coordinators. When USC needed a coordinator, what did they do?

1562
01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:50,799
Speaker 2: They just took UCLAs. If I just need a defensive coordinator,

1563
01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:53,320
Speaker 2: I just can't steal Robert Sala from the forty nine ers.

1564
01:18:53,320 --> 01:18:56,240
Speaker 2: It doesn't work that way. So whenever I hear about

1565
01:18:56,280 --> 01:18:58,760
Speaker 2: the business one thing college athletics, whenever they do get

1566
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:01,080
Speaker 2: to kind of the NFL version of wherever they end up,

1567
01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:03,360
Speaker 2: there has to be some sort of if you're under

1568
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:07,880
Speaker 2: contract with me, right, you can't just steal go to

1569
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 2: That's not the way it works. There's a you know,

1570
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:14,439
Speaker 2: another broadcast network can't just steal Colin Coward. If I'm

1571
01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:16,639
Speaker 2: under contract with you, I can't just go to someone else,

1572
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:19,439
Speaker 2: a podcast network steal me. That's not the way business works.

1573
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:23,120
Speaker 2: Yet in college it's like, yeah, I'm LSU, I plan

1574
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:26,000
Speaker 2: on stealing you before the playoffs even start. Like that's

1575
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 2: just their own business models a little out of whack.

1576
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 2: Given the numbers in which they're now generating, they got

1577
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:32,120
Speaker 2: to figure that out.

1578
01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:35,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean they listen. It's they didn't play

1579
01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:38,240
Speaker 1: the same number of I mean SEC for years didn't

1580
01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:40,799
Speaker 1: play the same number of conference games as other conferences,

1581
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:44,639
Speaker 1: so they can't get their schedule. You know, that's a

1582
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:49,799
Speaker 1: podcast all onto itself. So all right, hard rock bet.

1583
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:54,439
Speaker 1: I like Carolina plus seven. The two dogs I like

1584
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:57,320
Speaker 1: this week were Dallas that was the one blazing five

1585
01:19:57,360 --> 01:20:00,240
Speaker 1: pick that I left on the edit room floor, or

1586
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:04,080
Speaker 1: I like Carolina plus seven. First of all, they've been

1587
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:07,960
Speaker 1: a pretty good road team. Second of all, offensively, t

1588
01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:11,639
Speaker 1: mac is a star. He is a bona fide number one.

1589
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:14,360
Speaker 1: Bryce Young has played well at home and on the road.

1590
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:17,200
Speaker 1: The team is playing well, and I think if you

1591
01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:20,599
Speaker 1: go look at the Niners this year after wins, they've

1592
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:25,040
Speaker 1: been wildly uneven. They've played some of their worst games

1593
01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:29,960
Speaker 1: this year. At just the moment, you feel they're focused

1594
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:32,240
Speaker 1: in getting it back together. So everybody now is all

1595
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:37,879
Speaker 1: in on the Niners. But now they're healthier. But seven points,

1596
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:41,240
Speaker 1: I mean, look around the league today. That Pittsburgh Chicago

1597
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:43,400
Speaker 1: game went down to the end, there were very few

1598
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:48,240
Speaker 1: Seattle Tennessee was tight touchdowns, a lot of points. Carolina

1599
01:20:48,439 --> 01:20:53,519
Speaker 1: fighting for a playoff spot. I'm taking the Panthers to

1600
01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:56,160
Speaker 1: keep it within a field goal though the Niners win

1601
01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:56,639
Speaker 1: at home.

1602
01:20:57,200 --> 01:20:59,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you with the Panthers and the points.

1603
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:01,800
Speaker 2: I do like the Niners to win this game. They're

1604
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:05,400
Speaker 2: a bright light primetime team. Kyle Shanahan usually does his

1605
01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:09,519
Speaker 2: best work on primetime. But Nick Bosa, Fred Warner, they're

1606
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:11,840
Speaker 2: missing a lot of bodies that they can't stop a soul.

1607
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:14,240
Speaker 2: I like the Niners to win this thing. About thirty

1608
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:15,400
Speaker 2: five to thirty.

1609
01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:18,760
Speaker 1: Well, we discussed a lot wild win for the Cowboys

1610
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:22,000
Speaker 1: and the Bears. The Vikings are in trouble. We're not

1611
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:25,000
Speaker 1: sure what to make of the Lions, the Packers. Shudure

1612
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:29,400
Speaker 1: probably better than most thought. Good for him, John Izolis,

1613
01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 1: what a crush. Let's go watch the Rams and Bucks.

1614
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:32,280
Speaker 2: See you con

1615
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:35,759
Speaker 1: The volume