1 00:00:30,319 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 1: Hats from the Past. Tune in is Matt Smith and 2 00:00:32,598 --> 00:00:35,119 Speaker 1: Paul Perilla offer in depth interviews with some of the 3 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:37,759 Speaker 1: greatest players and coaches in New England Patriots history. 4 00:00:37,839 --> 00:00:39,638 Speaker 2: Joined by the newest member of the Patriots Hall Fame, 5 00:00:39,719 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 2: Mike Gravel. 6 00:00:40,439 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: Find out what led to some of the greatest moments 7 00:00:42,519 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 1: in franchise history and unique behind the scenes insight. 8 00:00:45,239 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 2: And please to be joined by former Patriot quarterback Brian 9 00:00:47,959 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 2: coy Or joined by number thirty seven on your scorecard, 10 00:00:50,519 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 2: but number one in our hearts at least Rodney Harrison. 11 00:00:53,439 --> 00:00:56,078 Speaker 3: Good to be home, Good to see you guys. 12 00:00:55,799 --> 00:00:58,519 Speaker 1: Search for Pats in the Past anywhere you get your podcast. 13 00:01:00,519 --> 00:01:00,999 Speaker 3: Good evening. 14 00:01:01,559 --> 00:01:06,279 Speaker 4: Obviously we'll always be disappointed, you know, walking out of 15 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 4: here with the loss. But before I get into the 16 00:01:07,719 --> 00:01:10,439 Speaker 4: football stuff, hopefully you guys have seen these pins that 17 00:01:10,479 --> 00:01:12,079 Speaker 4: all the guys are wearing, and we all are out 18 00:01:12,119 --> 00:01:16,199 Speaker 4: there representing a fallen hero, a fallen soldier, which I 19 00:01:16,199 --> 00:01:20,119 Speaker 4: think is important. I think the TAPS program they do 20 00:01:20,158 --> 00:01:23,238 Speaker 4: a great job. We'll support these guys. As long as 21 00:01:23,279 --> 00:01:26,238 Speaker 4: I'm here, we'll continue to support them. And today I 22 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:31,279 Speaker 4: was representing Army Sergeant first Class Daniel Ferguson known as 23 00:01:31,359 --> 00:01:34,559 Speaker 4: Danny to his friends and his family, and really gave 24 00:01:34,599 --> 00:01:38,359 Speaker 4: the ultimate sacrifice for our safety. So today would have 25 00:01:38,359 --> 00:01:43,559 Speaker 4: been his birthday. Pretty tough situation, especially coming from a 26 00:01:43,599 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 4: military family. I can't imagine, you know, suffering a loss 27 00:01:47,078 --> 00:01:49,599 Speaker 4: like that. But I think the TAPS program is a 28 00:01:49,599 --> 00:01:52,279 Speaker 4: great program. Kind of what I told the guys in 29 00:01:52,279 --> 00:01:55,759 Speaker 4: the locker room, felt like I never really felt like 30 00:01:57,279 --> 00:01:58,759 Speaker 4: they had control of the game. I felt like we 31 00:01:58,799 --> 00:02:01,119 Speaker 4: had control of the game. You look at the first half, 32 00:02:01,479 --> 00:02:04,039 Speaker 4: I think we only had one three and out Offensively, 33 00:02:04,079 --> 00:02:05,679 Speaker 4: I thought they did a great job on first and 34 00:02:05,719 --> 00:02:07,359 Speaker 4: second down, which was one of the targets that we 35 00:02:07,399 --> 00:02:12,879 Speaker 4: talked about defensively, not so much defensively. They only had 36 00:02:12,918 --> 00:02:15,519 Speaker 4: what eight third downs in the game, and you just 37 00:02:15,519 --> 00:02:17,038 Speaker 4: can't win that way. When you look at the time 38 00:02:17,079 --> 00:02:19,358 Speaker 4: of possession, you look at the movement we were able 39 00:02:19,399 --> 00:02:21,519 Speaker 4: to get offensively in the run game and in the 40 00:02:21,519 --> 00:02:24,559 Speaker 4: past game, you look at the time of possession. I mean, 41 00:02:24,839 --> 00:02:27,399 Speaker 4: that's part of the formula. We just got to continue 42 00:02:27,399 --> 00:02:29,559 Speaker 4: to build on it. We'll say. The guys, you know, 43 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:31,719 Speaker 4: came out with energy and even when our backs were 44 00:02:31,719 --> 00:02:33,918 Speaker 4: against the wall, they still continue to play hard, which 45 00:02:33,959 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 4: I definitely appreciate. I know the rest of the coaches 46 00:02:36,319 --> 00:02:38,199 Speaker 4: and hopefully the fans appreciate it as well. 47 00:02:38,519 --> 00:02:40,399 Speaker 3: Are playing hard now. Do we need to get better? 48 00:02:40,439 --> 00:02:43,039 Speaker 4: Absolutely, And that's my job as the head coach of 49 00:02:43,038 --> 00:02:43,719 Speaker 4: this football team. 50 00:02:43,758 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 3: I have to do it. Starts with me. I have 51 00:02:45,159 --> 00:02:45,679 Speaker 3: to do better. 52 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,839 Speaker 4: Demand more from our assistant coaches, but demand more from 53 00:02:49,839 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 4: our players. We have enough talent. We have enough talent 54 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 4: in our locker room to be a very good football team. 55 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:56,038 Speaker 4: We just got to be able to put it together. 56 00:02:57,839 --> 00:02:59,758 Speaker 4: A couple of situations that came up, I'm sure that's 57 00:02:59,758 --> 00:03:02,599 Speaker 4: gonna be part of, you know, part of the discussion. 58 00:03:02,839 --> 00:03:05,199 Speaker 4: You know, the fourth and two elected to kick a 59 00:03:05,199 --> 00:03:07,279 Speaker 4: field goal. If it was fourth and one, probably probably 60 00:03:07,279 --> 00:03:08,999 Speaker 4: would have went for it, but it made it a 61 00:03:08,999 --> 00:03:13,039 Speaker 4: one score game. And then the Seattle situation showed up again. 62 00:03:14,038 --> 00:03:17,039 Speaker 4: And I would say this, every game is unique, it's 63 00:03:17,119 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 4: one of one. And I just felt like when I 64 00:03:19,119 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 4: made those choices, it was the best thing to do 65 00:03:20,999 --> 00:03:23,839 Speaker 4: for our football team today. Like I said, proud of 66 00:03:23,839 --> 00:03:26,679 Speaker 4: the way those guys competed. Just got to clean up 67 00:03:26,679 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 4: a few things. 68 00:03:31,119 --> 00:03:33,119 Speaker 5: With what you just said and with how hard they played. 69 00:03:33,159 --> 00:03:34,599 Speaker 5: How much do you maybe kind of look at this 70 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:38,079 Speaker 5: one as a team you are facing had key veterans 71 00:03:38,199 --> 00:03:40,959 Speaker 5: at the position Stafford and Nikoua and Kup and knew 72 00:03:40,959 --> 00:03:42,719 Speaker 5: how to make plays when they needed to make plays, 73 00:03:42,759 --> 00:03:45,119 Speaker 5: compared to you guys just battling and trying to learn. 74 00:03:45,479 --> 00:03:48,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's part of it. And look, you 75 00:03:48,519 --> 00:03:50,679 Speaker 4: win or you learn. That has to be our mindset, 76 00:03:50,919 --> 00:03:52,679 Speaker 4: Like it would be a huge disservice if we don't 77 00:03:52,759 --> 00:03:54,999 Speaker 4: learn anything from from this game. But that's a good 78 00:03:55,039 --> 00:03:58,359 Speaker 4: football team that we played today. But at the same time, 79 00:03:58,559 --> 00:04:00,639 Speaker 4: I feel like we had our opportunities. 80 00:04:02,679 --> 00:04:02,959 Speaker 2: Drod. 81 00:04:02,999 --> 00:04:05,719 Speaker 4: I'm just curious what you saw on that final play 82 00:04:05,959 --> 00:04:07,239 Speaker 4: where Drake was intercepted. 83 00:04:07,679 --> 00:04:11,959 Speaker 3: Just kind of what went wrong there? Just miscommunication, which 84 00:04:11,999 --> 00:04:13,359 Speaker 3: going back to the question earlier. 85 00:04:13,399 --> 00:04:14,839 Speaker 4: You know, you go back and look at the Rams 86 00:04:14,919 --> 00:04:17,079 Speaker 4: versus the Seahawks and those guys making those plays down 87 00:04:17,079 --> 00:04:17,519 Speaker 4: the stretch. 88 00:04:18,039 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 3: You know, it's very impressive. 89 00:04:19,159 --> 00:04:21,559 Speaker 4: And look, we'll grow into being able to finish out 90 00:04:21,599 --> 00:04:24,319 Speaker 4: and finish, finish and close out these games. Just got 91 00:04:24,359 --> 00:04:26,199 Speaker 4: to go back, go back to work, get on the 92 00:04:26,239 --> 00:04:28,319 Speaker 4: practice field tomorrow. We'll clean up a lot of this 93 00:04:28,359 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 4: stuff and then Wednesday changed the page onto the next. 94 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:36,799 Speaker 6: Game drawed up. Puka Nuku and Cooper cupp All both 95 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,439 Speaker 6: went for over one hundred yards. Christian was just talking 96 00:04:39,438 --> 00:04:41,199 Speaker 6: about how the game plan was for him to play 97 00:04:41,199 --> 00:04:43,079 Speaker 6: in the boundary. Looked like the Rams were able to 98 00:04:43,079 --> 00:04:45,438 Speaker 6: stay away from him. Do you regret the decision to 99 00:04:45,438 --> 00:04:47,238 Speaker 6: not have him shadow one of those guys or to 100 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:47,958 Speaker 6: adjust Quicker? 101 00:04:48,119 --> 00:04:50,598 Speaker 4: I mean, look, you know Cup had the one reception, 102 00:04:50,719 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 4: which was a huge chunk of those yards. Look, going 103 00:04:54,919 --> 00:04:56,958 Speaker 4: into the game, we have a plan, and we're always 104 00:04:56,958 --> 00:04:58,679 Speaker 4: willing to change that plan. Like I said earlier, I 105 00:04:58,678 --> 00:05:01,278 Speaker 4: felt like, you know, we're gonna be okay. I thought 106 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:03,879 Speaker 4: we could outlast Jerrod. 107 00:05:03,919 --> 00:05:06,479 Speaker 7: You were talking about some of the game decisions. When 108 00:05:06,519 --> 00:05:10,119 Speaker 7: you guys went up seven to nothing second quarter early. 109 00:05:10,759 --> 00:05:12,639 Speaker 7: I think it was like a fifty four yard field 110 00:05:12,719 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 7: goal for Joey but ended up punting on that one. 111 00:05:16,399 --> 00:05:18,639 Speaker 7: Is that the one that were you talking about or 112 00:05:18,678 --> 00:05:20,079 Speaker 7: is that the different one? 113 00:05:20,239 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 3: No, that's that's a different one I was talking about. 114 00:05:22,078 --> 00:05:24,118 Speaker 4: I was talking about the fourth and goal on the 115 00:05:24,198 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 4: two got it making that a one score game, and 116 00:05:27,639 --> 00:05:30,559 Speaker 4: then and then really you know, the extra p versus 117 00:05:30,639 --> 00:05:33,959 Speaker 4: the two point conversions always a conversation. I will say, Look, 118 00:05:33,958 --> 00:05:35,799 Speaker 4: anytime you get a kick block too, it's not a 119 00:05:35,879 --> 00:05:36,758 Speaker 4: it's not a very good. 120 00:05:36,678 --> 00:05:39,799 Speaker 7: Day on that fifty four yard or what was it 121 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,678 Speaker 7: about that decision that you didn't want to go fifty 122 00:05:42,678 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 7: four yard and ended up punting. 123 00:05:43,958 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 4: There are a lot of different factors that we take 124 00:05:45,958 --> 00:05:48,799 Speaker 4: into account. You know, talk about win, we talk about 125 00:05:49,078 --> 00:05:50,799 Speaker 4: you know, the pregame warm up. You can kind of 126 00:05:50,799 --> 00:05:52,638 Speaker 4: see how the kicks are going on both sides during 127 00:05:52,639 --> 00:05:54,678 Speaker 4: the pregame warm ups, and I just felt like that 128 00:05:54,719 --> 00:05:55,519 Speaker 4: was the right decision to. 129 00:05:55,479 --> 00:05:59,038 Speaker 2: Make, Drod, with the punt, with that pond with the 130 00:05:59,119 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 2: fourth and two, which the fans clearly were not happy with. 131 00:06:01,639 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 3: Do you think you're coaching to win or do you 132 00:06:04,078 --> 00:06:04,919 Speaker 3: think you're coaching to win? 133 00:06:05,039 --> 00:06:07,518 Speaker 4: I'm always coaching to win. Look, every decision that I 134 00:06:07,519 --> 00:06:09,759 Speaker 4: make won't always be the popular one, and that's part 135 00:06:09,759 --> 00:06:10,238 Speaker 4: of this job. 136 00:06:12,318 --> 00:06:12,638 Speaker 8: Drod. 137 00:06:12,639 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 3: What do you think is preventing Jalen Polk and Javon 138 00:06:15,318 --> 00:06:17,838 Speaker 3: Baker from having larger roles within the offense. 139 00:06:19,639 --> 00:06:22,078 Speaker 4: I think it's important to remember, like those guys are rookies, 140 00:06:22,239 --> 00:06:24,439 Speaker 4: and then you know, sometimes the expectations that they're just 141 00:06:24,438 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 4: going to come in here and and be all pros. 142 00:06:26,879 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 3: That's not it. Those guys they work every. 143 00:06:28,438 --> 00:06:30,359 Speaker 4: Day and at some point they're hitting the flect point 144 00:06:30,359 --> 00:06:31,359 Speaker 4: where they could help our team win. 145 00:06:33,879 --> 00:06:37,799 Speaker 8: Uh tackle eligible play to Vederian in the end zone. 146 00:06:38,399 --> 00:06:40,959 Speaker 8: What ended up giving you confidence that Vederian's going to 147 00:06:40,999 --> 00:06:42,519 Speaker 8: be able to make that play? Do you put them 148 00:06:42,558 --> 00:06:45,559 Speaker 8: on the jugs machine in practice or no jugs. 149 00:06:45,318 --> 00:06:46,399 Speaker 3: Machines for him? 150 00:06:46,919 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 4: It was this something that we worked on in practice, 151 00:06:48,719 --> 00:06:51,238 Speaker 4: and anytime you see special plays like that, Look, we 152 00:06:51,318 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 4: got to see. 153 00:06:51,719 --> 00:06:52,359 Speaker 3: It multiple times. 154 00:06:52,399 --> 00:06:54,119 Speaker 4: It's not like you run it one time in practice 155 00:06:54,119 --> 00:06:55,198 Speaker 4: and you feel good about it. 156 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:58,199 Speaker 3: So he's caught. He caught three balls in practice, so 157 00:06:58,239 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 3: I felt pretty good about it. 158 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,479 Speaker 7: Hey, coach, you have a three president follows offensively, which 159 00:07:04,558 --> 00:07:06,878 Speaker 7: costs your points to wonder you were thought about that. 160 00:07:07,359 --> 00:07:08,639 Speaker 3: If there's a message to the. 161 00:07:08,558 --> 00:07:11,078 Speaker 4: Team, Yeah, the message is, look, we can't go backwards. 162 00:07:11,078 --> 00:07:12,959 Speaker 4: I don't care how good the team is, you never 163 00:07:12,999 --> 00:07:14,959 Speaker 4: want to go backwards, and that that definitely hurts us. 164 00:07:17,679 --> 00:07:21,398 Speaker 2: Drawed from your perspective, obviously the team is competitive right now, 165 00:07:21,479 --> 00:07:23,359 Speaker 2: but what are maybe one or two things that you 166 00:07:23,359 --> 00:07:26,199 Speaker 2: feel are keeping you from winning these types of games, 167 00:07:26,239 --> 00:07:28,718 Speaker 2: whether it's from a decision making standpoint as a coach 168 00:07:28,839 --> 00:07:31,879 Speaker 2: or overall as a group, And how do you get 169 00:07:31,919 --> 00:07:34,079 Speaker 2: to a place where it's better. 170 00:07:34,119 --> 00:07:37,359 Speaker 4: Overalls a group is just consistency. That's what it is. 171 00:07:37,958 --> 00:07:43,159 Speaker 4: A down after down basis. Dro I just want to 172 00:07:43,159 --> 00:07:45,439 Speaker 4: ask about Christian's day. What'd you think of it overall? 173 00:07:45,479 --> 00:07:48,639 Speaker 4: Bar More, Yeah, you know, I'm not sure what the 174 00:07:49,319 --> 00:07:51,439 Speaker 4: final snap count was, but it was good just to 175 00:07:51,439 --> 00:07:53,799 Speaker 4: see him back out there. You know, obviously he's a 176 00:07:53,839 --> 00:07:58,199 Speaker 4: disruptive presence, but today with anyone linebackers, defensive front like, 177 00:07:58,199 --> 00:08:01,079 Speaker 4: we didn't. I don't think we had any negative you know, 178 00:08:01,159 --> 00:08:02,479 Speaker 4: tackle for loss or anything like that. 179 00:08:02,519 --> 00:08:03,879 Speaker 3: But it was good to have him out there. 180 00:08:03,958 --> 00:08:06,439 Speaker 4: And you know, first and foremost player safety is important, 181 00:08:06,439 --> 00:08:08,039 Speaker 4: and I know he's excited about it. 182 00:08:09,479 --> 00:08:11,319 Speaker 9: Troy, just going back to the decision to keep Christian 183 00:08:11,359 --> 00:08:12,439 Speaker 9: in the boundary. I know he had a lot of 184 00:08:12,439 --> 00:08:15,398 Speaker 9: success in Chicago. You guys basically running the same idea 185 00:08:15,519 --> 00:08:18,278 Speaker 9: as the game progresses here and they're scoring with Kupp 186 00:08:18,399 --> 00:08:20,879 Speaker 9: and Nakua. What was the logic behind keeping him in 187 00:08:20,879 --> 00:08:22,599 Speaker 9: the boundary versus mixing that up a little bit more? 188 00:08:22,639 --> 00:08:24,119 Speaker 4: Yeah, we just thought that was the best thing to do. 189 00:08:24,239 --> 00:08:26,359 Speaker 4: And it's a mix of man in his zone, so 190 00:08:26,919 --> 00:08:28,078 Speaker 4: we thought that was the best thing to do. 191 00:08:28,359 --> 00:08:28,679 Speaker 3: Thanks. 192 00:08:30,159 --> 00:08:32,879 Speaker 1: Patriots Playbook, join John Rook as he brings you all 193 00:08:32,919 --> 00:08:36,279 Speaker 1: the latest Patriots Talk an expert commentary direct from Patriots HQ. 194 00:08:36,958 --> 00:08:39,359 Speaker 1: The show features interviews with New England and Opponent Beat 195 00:08:39,359 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 1: writers that bring you a unique media view of the 196 00:08:41,439 --> 00:08:42,079 Speaker 1: state of the team. 197 00:08:42,159 --> 00:08:43,599 Speaker 3: But where the Patriots are concerned. 198 00:08:43,879 --> 00:08:46,199 Speaker 2: Let's just get one thing done, and let's get it 199 00:08:46,239 --> 00:08:49,439 Speaker 2: done right and then we can worry about versatility. Am 200 00:08:49,439 --> 00:08:50,479 Speaker 2: I lying to anybody here? 201 00:08:50,719 --> 00:08:53,039 Speaker 1: Let's just get one thing done. Let's get one thing 202 00:08:53,119 --> 00:08:55,478 Speaker 1: done right, and then we can move along. 203 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:57,039 Speaker 6: That's kind of my biggest thing. 204 00:08:57,078 --> 00:08:59,759 Speaker 1: Search Patriots Playbook anywhere you get your podcasts.