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Speaker 1: Fox Nation. A supermarket is forced to throw away thirty

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Speaker 1: our friend at USA Today, Jordan call Over. The coronavirus

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Speaker 1: is no joke, but not everyone is taking it seriously.

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Speaker 1: Fox News reports that in Pennsylvania, a woman entered Garrity's

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Speaker 1: supermarket and made her way to the produce aisle. The

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Speaker 1: store's co owner, Joe Fuzzula, said she then quote proceeded

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Speaker 1: to purposely cough all over the stores fresh food before

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Speaker 1: making her way to the bakery section, meat case and

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Speaker 1: other parts of the store doing the same. Fazula said

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Speaker 1: about the incident, well, there is little doubt this woman

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Speaker 1: was doing it as a very twisted prank. We will

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Speaker 1: not take any chances with the health and well being

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Speaker 1: of our customers, adding they had to purge the supermarket

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Speaker 1: of everything the woman coughed on, which he estimates to

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Speaker 1: Fazula says it's all precautionary, however, as he does not

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Speaker 1: at a local hospital for a mental health evaluation. What

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Speaker 1: purposefully coughing all over them to suggest you are tainting

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Speaker 1: them with coronavirus. From that sort of prank to allowing

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Speaker 1: alleged murderers out of jail free to a tiny child

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Speaker 1: joining me an all star panels. Stephen Lampley, detective, author

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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville, State University death investigator and

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Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. Ashley Wilcot,

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Speaker 1: judge and trial lawyer, Court TV anchor at Ashley Wilcott

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Speaker 1: dot com. Doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst joining us out of

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Speaker 1: Levi Page Climb online dot com investigative reporter Levi. I

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Speaker 1: don't understand it. The supermarket has to throw away thirty

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Speaker 1: law enforcement in Hanover Township, Pennsylvania, she's a nuisance there

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Speaker 1: who has done things like this in the past. It's

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Speaker 1: don't think she has coronavirus. Well that's the problem. To

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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan joining me, death Investigator, you can't look

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Speaker 1: like measles, where you have red dots all over your face.

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Speaker 1: It's not like that at all. No, it requires diagnostic

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Speaker 1: observation and testing, Nancy. These people have to be observed.

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Speaker 1: And let me tell you something, she's under psychiatric observation.

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Speaker 1: And Ashley Wilcott, judge and trial lawyer, the reality is

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Speaker 1: a listen to the product's liquor Feister. Okay, this is

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Speaker 1: from kat t N News audio of Cody Feister, who

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Speaker 1: scattered coronavirus? Don't touch your mouth? Who scattered coronavirus? Don't

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Speaker 1: Leavi Page. That's not the woman that was coughing over

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Speaker 1: crime online dot Com investigator reporter, Who the hey is

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Speaker 1: Cody Feister. He's a twenty six year old Missouri man Nancy,

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Speaker 1: and he uploaded that video to Snapchat and he was saying,

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Speaker 1: who's scared of the coronavirus? And he started licking things

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Speaker 1: to Stephen Lampley, detective and author of Outside Your Door

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Speaker 1: Stephen Lampley dot com. Steven, you're the detective. But when

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Speaker 1: video and releases it. That's a whole other level. What

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Speaker 1: So you know, when you're doing something like that, you're

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Speaker 1: simply perpetuating this situation. We're at eighty five thousand cases

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Speaker 1: terroristic threat. Terroristic threat it's when you threaten to kill

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Speaker 1: What about it, Ashley, Well, first of all, criminals aren't smart.

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Speaker 1: We know that they are the ones watching infomercials light

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Speaker 1: with Jim Baker or falling for a cure like this

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Speaker 1: bit actor has tried to sell online. But that's not

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Speaker 1: the end of the next wave of coronavirus crimes. An

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Speaker 1: alleged killer has just been erased from Hamilton County jail

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Speaker 1: and the victims family the murder victims family is blaming

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Speaker 1: the coronavirus response. Take a listen to our friends at

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Speaker 1: WLWT News five. This is Jatarah McGee. This more than

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Speaker 1: nine months after Margaret Williams lost her son Tony Williams.

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Speaker 1: That pain is still fresh. Anything to happen back anything.

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Speaker 1: The shooting was caught on surveillance video near Vice Mayor

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Speaker 1: Chris Smitherman's office in bon Hill. The alleged killer was

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Speaker 1: caught days later. So it's devastating to know that D'Angelo

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Speaker 1: still suffering, still crying, still trying to accept this now

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Speaker 1: awaiting trial out of handcuffs. D'Angelo stones Friday release comes

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Speaker 1: as the Hamilton County Justice Center releases some non violent,

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Speaker 1: low level offenders to prevent the potential spread of COVID nineteen.

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Speaker 1: Inside the jail, Stone is facing multiple felonies, including murder

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Speaker 1: and having weapons under disability. Can you imagine how that

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Speaker 1: mother feels. Margaret Williams, her Son's alleged murderer has walked

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Speaker 1: free because the jail fears the criminals may catch coronavirus.

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Speaker 1: Clime stories with Nancy Grace Angelo was one. I've got

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Speaker 1: two other clients, both charge of Floony's assaulted. On paper,

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Speaker 1: they would not be subject to the SHARE's review, but

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Speaker 1: because of the facts of the case in the situation,

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Speaker 1: in both cases, they are certainly good candidates to be released.

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Speaker 1: Stone's defense attorney, Jay Clark, took advantage of the timing

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Speaker 1: to fight for a lower bond. The prosecution objected, but

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Speaker 1: a judge reduced stones million dollar bond to ten percent

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Speaker 1: of one hundred thousand. I asked Clark of his client

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Speaker 1: would still be in jail if it wasn't for the coronavirus.

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Speaker 1: Don't answer your question is I don't know Williams didn't

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Speaker 1: know Stone was getting out. I should have got a

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Speaker 1: knock once a door, our phone call. Her seventy eight

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Speaker 1: year old mother is waiting on results from a coronavirus test,

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Speaker 1: so she understands the serious health threat, but also understand humanity.

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Speaker 1: I understand justice. Now Clark says that his client is

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Speaker 1: innocent and isn't a flight risk of the Williams. They disagree.

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Speaker 1: Tony Williams would have been thirty eight this year and

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Speaker 1: has three children, one as young as two. Our friend

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Speaker 1: WLWT needs five reporter Jachara McGee reporting the attorney reportedly

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Speaker 1: taking advantage of the coronavirus scare to get an accused

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Speaker 1: killer out from behind bars, and the victim's family didn't

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Speaker 1: even know anything about it until it was too late.

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Speaker 1: That's really the tip of the iceberg. But back to

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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall, Psychoanen's joining us Oudt of Beverly Hills,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany, I remember I got off the air. I

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Speaker 1: went up to my office. I was on Third Avenue

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Speaker 1: at the corner of fortieth and Third at Court TV,

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Speaker 1: and looked outside, fired up my computer, and I had

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Speaker 1: a letter an email from Are to tell me my

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Speaker 1: fiances murderer had gotten out of jail sometime before. I

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Speaker 1: had no idea none. What do you make of the

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Speaker 1: jail instead of enforcing measures to contain or quell coronavirus,

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Speaker 1: letting everybody out alleged killers, doctor Bethany. But Nancy, it

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Speaker 1: is a big problem. It's a big problem here in

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles that the prison population is being infected with

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Speaker 1: COVID nineteen. It is true, the public deserves to know it,

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Speaker 1: and it's such a complicated situation that it's kind of

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Speaker 1: beyond my pay grade. But I think that what the

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Speaker 1: jail should have done was warned the family. I think

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Speaker 1: they should have used greater discrimination. There are so many

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Speaker 1: people who cannot postpond they end up in the criminal

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Speaker 1: system for low level offenses. And whereas Richard mail murder out.

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Speaker 1: But in this case, Nancy, I agree with you. A

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Speaker 1: murderer should not have been let out. These are very

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Speaker 1: very unusual times. This family, whose son had gotten and

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Speaker 1: father and husband was murdered, are already extremely traumatized. And

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Speaker 1: I think attorneys need to use some discretion when advocating

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Speaker 1: for their clients. I mean, obviously that this defense attorney

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Speaker 1: is doing his job, but this one really slipped through

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Speaker 1: the cracks and like the fighting computer, and I also

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Speaker 1: don't know the answer, Ashley Wilcott, You know when I

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Speaker 1: was trying cases for so long in inner city Atlanta,

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Speaker 1: we would have bond calendars every day. I know the

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Speaker 1: jails are overcrowded, they have been for a long time,

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Speaker 1: and that is wrong. Low level criminals, sure, I think

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Speaker 1: they should be out. I think they should not be

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Speaker 1: using a bad in jail. But killers. I don't want

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Speaker 1: to condemn anybody to coronavirusvirus, but I also don't want

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Speaker 1: killers walking free. Well, I agree, coronavirus, in my opinion

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Speaker 1: as a judge, should not be a reason for individuals

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Speaker 1: who have been accused of multiple felonies, including like in

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Speaker 1: this case, murder, to get out of jail. So I

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Speaker 1: agree the low level non violent makes sense. That's a

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Speaker 1: good smart way to approach the overcrowding and the coronavirus pandemic. Now,

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Speaker 1: the problem is I don't think that that can extend,

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Speaker 1: and it's up to the judge, but they really have

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Speaker 1: to carefully weigh it shouldn't extend to somebody who has

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Speaker 1: felony charges like murder in my opinion, because there's no

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Speaker 1: reason because of the coronavirus that they should be allowed

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Speaker 1: to get out of jail, first of all. Second of all,

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Speaker 1: it's a uniform problem across the nation and lack of communication.

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Speaker 1: I would suggest that that family absolutely should have been

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Speaker 1: notified that was happening. Well, it's not just there, it's

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Speaker 1: all across the country. Accused of felons are walking because

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Speaker 1: we're afraid they'll get coronavirus behind bars. But then what

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Speaker 1: if they get out and commit another crime, as recidivism

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Speaker 1: rates show that they will, So we save the prisoner

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Speaker 1: and then kill another innocent person. I don't know the answer,

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Speaker 1: but I know this is wrong. Take a listen to

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Speaker 1: our friends at w XIA eleven alive a noon and

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Speaker 1: child alone for hours after healthcare worker mom dies of coronavirus.

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Speaker 1: The very sad update the p my healthcare community is

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Speaker 1: morning tonight. They tell us they the Kyleweeda County Corner

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Speaker 1: confirmed a mammogram technician has died as a result of

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Speaker 1: COVID nineteen. Let's learn more about her tonight. The Horner

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Speaker 1: says forty two year old Deeju Wilkes died last Thursday

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Speaker 1: and did not have any underlying health issues. Authorities say

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Speaker 1: several public safety workers came in contact with the Wilkes

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Speaker 1: and those workers are now self quarantine. Right out to

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Speaker 1: Levi page, Climb online dot Com investigat a reporter Levi,

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Speaker 1: what happened so Nancy? This is extremely said at dedre Will.

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Speaker 1: She's a forty two year old woman. She worked as

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Speaker 1: a mammogram technician at Piedemont now In Hospital just outside

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Speaker 1: of Atlanta, and she was discovered dead by law enforcement

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Speaker 1: that was conducting a welfare check on her, and she

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Speaker 1: tested positive for coronavirus actor. She had passed away. And

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Speaker 1: the sad part is is that she was dead for

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Speaker 1: twelve to sixteen hours, according to the Coetta County Coroner,

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Speaker 1: Richard Hawk, and she and her four year old daughter

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Speaker 1: was left alone with her during that time. The baby

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Speaker 1: girl is now living with her father now that she

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Speaker 1: had been dead for twelve to sixteen hours before law

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Speaker 1: enforcement located her and got her child out of the home.

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Speaker 1: To Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert, give me the implications

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Speaker 1: health implications of the child being there laying with a

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Speaker 1: mom who has died alone of coronavirus with her childhood.

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Speaker 1: Of course, what does that mean for the baby? Well,

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Speaker 1: it means for the baby that the child probably at

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Speaker 1: some point in time would have been touching her mother

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Speaker 1: as she would have been in life. But during this

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Speaker 1: period of time, the child's trying to raise the mother,

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Speaker 1: get the mother to wake up, this sort of thing.

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Speaker 1: For those of us that are parents, were aware of this,

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Speaker 1: and she would have been probably attempting to hug her mother,

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Speaker 1: and so these types of things that there was a

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Speaker 1: recent report that came out that the coronavirus now has

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Speaker 1: an indication that it still is very robust even after

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Speaker 1: death in the dead. Wait, break that down for mean

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Speaker 1: what you just said, Yeah, what this means is that

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Speaker 1: the virus itself is not like some of the other

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Speaker 1: viruses that we have encountered along the way over the years.

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Speaker 1: The virus isn't doesn't just suddenly die after say three

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Speaker 1: to four hours. It actually is very robust. It can

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Speaker 1: survive outside of a living host on surfaces. Uh, certainly

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Speaker 1: on the surface of the skin. And if the mother

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Speaker 1: had been coughing, for instance, and she had kind of

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Speaker 1: aspirate that was on her mouth, that was issuing from

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Speaker 1: her nose, this sort of thing. If the child came

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Speaker 1: into mean a liquid mucus, it could be a mucoid mucus,

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Speaker 1: this sort of thing. And sometimes, unfortunately, Nancy, even after death,

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Speaker 1: this will occur kind of a leaching out, if you will.

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Speaker 1: If the child came into contact with that, this is

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Speaker 1: very virulent. The child could in fact contract the virus.

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Speaker 1: And I'd like to quickly point out be careful regarding

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Speaker 1: your children that are on TikTok like mine are. A

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Speaker 1: California influencer, Lars Now says he's in the hospital with

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Speaker 1: coronavirus after a TikTok challenge, posting video of himself licking

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Speaker 1: a toilet bowl. At a time when we're to be

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Speaker 1: pulling together to fight coronavirus, instead some people are taking

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Speaker 1: advantage of it. Coronavirus crimes. The next wave goes on

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Speaker 1: and we wait for justice to unfold. Nancy Grace crime story,

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Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend,