1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, ready or not, twenty twenty four is here, 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: and we here at Breaking Points, are already thinking of 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:08,639 Speaker 1: ways we can up our game for this critical election. 4 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: We rely on our premium subs to expand coverage, upgrade 5 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: the studio ad staff give you, guys, the best independent 6 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: coverage that is possible. If you like what we're all about, 7 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: it means the absolute world to have your support. What 8 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: are you waiting for? Become a premium subscriber today at 9 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: Breakingpoints dot com. Well, hello everyone, welcome to Counterpoints. Ryan, 10 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: how are you doing? Wonderful? Happy Wednesday to you, Happy 11 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: Wednesday to you. Now there's a lot going on here 12 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 1: because House I was just going to say a House 13 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: minority leader, but now Speaker of the House, Kevin McArthur, 14 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy is set to meet with President Biden today 15 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,959 Speaker 1: and they're going to talk about whether we will default 16 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: basically on our debt, and what the path might look 17 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,279 Speaker 1: like to get there. Right, And there was one thing 18 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: you wanted to mention at the top of the show. 19 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: In interesting development and some of the biggest news of 20 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: the last week. Oh yeah, a couple of things actually. 21 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: So first of all, tonight in Memphis, the funeral for 22 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: Tyree Nichols will be held. Kamala Harris has told the 23 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: family that she will be there to speak. Reverend Al 24 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: Sharpton is going to lead the event. Organizers said they 25 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 1: expect something like twenty five hundred people to go, even 26 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 1: though Memphis is under an ice storm at the moment, 27 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: it'll be right in downtown Memphis. We're also coming up 28 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: to the culmination of the fight over lan Omar's seat 29 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: on the Foreign Affairs Committee. You had Matt Gates come 30 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: out and say that he's undecided, and I'm curious what 31 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: your sense from House Republicans is, are there people like Gates? 32 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: I think Gates might in principle, like I think it's 33 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: a bad idea to just start kicking people off committees 34 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: for on a partisan vote because you disagree with something 35 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: they said, because you know who would be one of 36 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: the first people that would be kicked often reverse him. 37 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: What's your sense of whether or not McCarthy's going to 38 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: have the votes, because he's it looks it looks like 39 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: he's wobbly. But he said today or he said on 40 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: Tuesday when asked in the hallway, that yes, I have 41 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: the votes. You know this is an interesting case study 42 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 1: because there's a huge distinction between Ilhan Omar and what 43 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: happened with Eric Swawall and Adam Schiff on intelligence committees, 44 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 1: because they have both i think, demonstrated really poor judgment 45 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: in that arena. And you can look at Adam Schiff. 46 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: I'll talk about this a little in my monologue. Just 47 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: being utterly unqualified and making it egregious doesn't even begin 48 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: to describe the lapses in judgment that he's had over 49 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: the last several years. Whereas they're upset with Ilhan Omar 50 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: over this interpretation of what constitutes anti Semitism. Whether or 51 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: not they believe that Ilhan and Omar, as she said 52 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: over the weekend, did not understand the tropes and was 53 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: sort of unintentionally offensive with her language, or if she's 54 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: genuinely harbor some anti Semitic beliefs and is willing to 55 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: publicly say them. That's a different case study than lacking 56 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,399 Speaker 1: a qualification. So when Gates and ken Buck, who we've 57 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 1: had on Crystal and Sager had on, say I don't 58 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:16,679 Speaker 1: believe in punting people just to get even with Democrats 59 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: on this case, but not the others, that is really 60 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: interesting you know, and Republicans will say, well, Democrats started it. 61 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: They had because you know, they kicked Gosar and mar 62 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: Martha Taylor Green off. That was a bipartisan vote, which 63 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,679 Speaker 1: means it's a slightly different precedent than kicking people off 64 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: by a partisan vote. The Intelligence Committee is a separate 65 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: is a separate precedent because the speaker can kind of 66 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: unilaterally decide who goes on there. When it comes to Omar, 67 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: it just really does seem like, like you said, they 68 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: don't like her. Well, yeah, and listen to I mean, 69 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: this is one of the biggest suspeaks in politics right 70 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: now is how we define bigotry, How will we define racism, 71 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: how we define anti semitism? And I think Republicans have 72 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: had a sort of experience over the last several years 73 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: that shows them very clearly how easily those definitions can 74 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: be inflated against them and their voters, because it happens 75 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: all of the time. How do they square in their 76 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: minds this They're driven by this anti wokeness, like that's 77 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: the thing that gets them out of bed in the morning. 78 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: It's fighting the Wokes and they're going to cancel somebody 79 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: for something they said off of a committee that like 80 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: in their heads, is that something that conflicts or in 81 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 1: their minds, there's just there's a Palestinian exception to all 82 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: of this, and it doesn't even kind of raise the 83 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: level of something that they need to work out in 84 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: their own minds. I think there are case studies, especially 85 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 1: on campuses, in which proponents or opponents of cancel culture 86 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: have been hypocritical when it comes to, as you say, 87 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 1: like a Palestinian exception. I do, however, think that the 88 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 1: standards for members of Congress are reasonably different, even if 89 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: you're an opponent of cancel culture. It's entirely fair to 90 00:04:57,680 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: say members of Congress should be hold to a different 91 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: held do a different standard than a comedian or an actor, 92 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: an actor or something like that. And if it's you know, 93 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: you can then talk about whether they what they think 94 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: about everything that Trump has said. Hypocrisy in that too. 95 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: I wish Republicans got out of bed every morning and 96 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: you know, actually wanted to do something and not just 97 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: whine about what they see as wokeness or cancel culture. 98 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: But we generally just have to settle for the whinings. 99 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 1: That's a good point. These are all Trump supporters, at 100 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: least they were in the last election cycle. And Trump 101 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: probably says more things, more anti Semitic things in a 102 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: single day than Omar has said in her lifetime. But 103 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: he's like, Israel controls Congress, and like he did say that, yeah, 104 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: they're so good with money, and like he's just constantly 105 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 1: saying explicitly anti Semitic things. And of course he has 106 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: Jewish grandchildren, his daughters, right, and he's like, they're going 107 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: to be great with money. But this is an example 108 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: of where Republicans, I think, understand how those definitions, Like 109 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: I don't think anybody would say that Donald Trump, a 110 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,039 Speaker 1: man's whose daughter who he loves is Jewish as anti 111 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 1: Semitic by their definition. But if you're inflating that definition, 112 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: it's going to get uncomfortable when you have to look 113 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 1: at certain people who you would not consider. And so 114 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: we just have inflated these definitions to the point where 115 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 1: the political football is you toss it around and it's cheapened. 116 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: I think the actual definitions to the point where we 117 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 1: can't agree anymore on like what actually is very much 118 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 1: objectionable rhetoric. And that's a really sad state of affairs. 119 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: We'll probably have to cut that into a separate box 120 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: because it just went on. But on that note, Kevin 121 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: McCarthy is going to meet with Joe Biden to talk 122 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 1: about a really big yeah, a one. Put that up 123 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: on the screen. And actually, so this is a headline 124 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: from Cnnwards says Biden's message to McCarthy ahead of critical 125 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: White House meeting, which is today. By the way, show 126 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: me your plan. Why don't we actually hear those words 127 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 1: from the man himself, President Joe Biden. Let's rull a 128 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: two pend. You want to negotiate, you tell me your budget. 129 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: I'll start your mind. What is your message? What is 130 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: your message to leader McCarthy, the speaker McCarthy, Sorry, sir, 131 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 1: what will be your message? Put show me your budget. 132 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: I'll show your mind. Show me your budget, and I'll 133 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: show you mine. Kevin McCarthy responded on Twitter to some 134 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: of what was coming out of the Biden White House. 135 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: We can put a three up on the screen, he said, 136 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: mister President, I received your staff's memo, space Enter. I'm 137 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: not interested in political games, space Enter. I'm coming to 138 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: negotiate for the American people. A very short, but very 139 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: poignant piece of poetry looking at it out of his 140 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: green He did it in Stanza form, which I think 141 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: was even a high coup if he worked on it 142 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: a little more, right, he was almost there, certainly a choice. Ryan, 143 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: they're going back and forth. McCarthy said this Sunday, we're 144 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: taking Medicare and Social Security off the table, and that 145 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: was always going to be a non starter for the 146 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: Biden administration. I do, however, have a quote from Kevin 147 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: McCarthy where he says, if you read our commitment to America, 148 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: all we talk about is strengthening Medicare and Social Security. 149 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: I know the President doesn't want to look at it, 150 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: but we have to make sure we strengthen those seemingly 151 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: in conflict. If you want to really do anything about 152 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: the debt, there's there's not much you can do without 153 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: tinkering with entitlement programs. So on that note, or with 154 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: that in mind, they're kind of at an impasse. Right, 155 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: we can pause this and ask the class of question here. 156 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: Does everybody here know what people in Washington mean when 157 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: they say we're going to strengthen social Security? How do 158 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: you make it stronger? It's one of the greatest lies 159 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: that is that is like dropped on the heads of 160 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: the American people. I do technically think it's true that 161 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: a solvent social security system would be a strengthen social 162 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: security system. But that is mutually exclusive with cutting. When 163 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: they say strengthen, they mean they mean they mean cut, 164 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: they mean cut. And so in other words, think of 165 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: it this way. If everybody's social security benefits were dropped 166 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: down to a dollar, that would be the strongest program ever, right, 167 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: because it's soft, Because it's so soft, because you can 168 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 1: all you're very comfortable that the trust fund is going 169 00:08:58,120 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: to have the money in it that it can pay 170 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: that dollar every single month, and you have then strengthened 171 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: the programs. What they're saying romantics, right, and what they're 172 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: saying the fund runs out in a certain amount of time, 173 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: and so in order to make it go longer, we're 174 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: going to pay you less, and that strengthens social security. 175 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 1: Most people when they hear the words strength and social security, 176 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: they think, oh, I'm gonna get a nice little extra 177 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: cola little another fifty bucks in my check is a 178 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: stronger check. It's about it isn't like just bs political length, right, 179 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: And so for Macarthy to say we're taking Medicare and 180 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: social security off the table, and we're just going back 181 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,599 Speaker 1: to what we said in our Commitment to America. And 182 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: then you go back and you read the Commitment to 183 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: America and as you said, the Commitment America says strength 184 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: and sold security and Medicare. So it's cut, that's cut 185 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: benefits for both so that you can supposedly prolong the 186 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: actuarial and like the different tables will work out a 187 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: little bit better for them, right. And one thing I 188 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: think it just gets lost in this entire conversation because 189 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: you know, even Republicans now are talking about the Pentagon, 190 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: even Kevin I forget if it was Kevin mccarthur. There's 191 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: a Republican who said, and many Republicans would agree with this, 192 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: that maybe there are some cuts that need to happen 193 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:12,559 Speaker 1: to the Pentagon so that it's more efficient and effective 194 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 1: and can pass, for instance, an audit like any business 195 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: with that much money, and it would have to. But 196 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: the other point that I wanted to make is all 197 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,839 Speaker 1: of all of you could put up the next element there, 198 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: which is right, yeah, yea talking about that, yep, yep, exactly. 199 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: So Manu Raja is reporting, he's saying that some have 200 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: floated really stiff cut some Republicans to domestic programs and 201 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: to trim the defense budget. But Brian read all Over 202 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: at the Manhattan Institute has crunched the numbers on this, 203 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,839 Speaker 1: and it's truly astounding how many things you could cut 204 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: without really making a debt and the national debt, so 205 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: you could actually eliminate the entire Pentagon and you still 206 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:57,319 Speaker 1: don't make a dent in the debt because those programs 207 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: are overloaded with boomer benefits right now. They weren't designed 208 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: particularly well, we haven't been managing them responsibly. But whether 209 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: it's humane to let's say, strengthen strengthened by a cuts 210 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 1: to those programs, I mean, I think at this moment 211 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: time absolutely not the answer. That is absolutely not unless 212 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: you have some political imagination that we're not cueued into 213 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: yet that does this in a humane way. I think 214 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: we can all agree solvent social security would be better, 215 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: but there's literally no plan for that other than yanking 216 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: benefits out from under people's feet. Well, no, there's a plan. 217 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: Raise the cap. So they're currently oh, sure, you're capped 218 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: on the amount of self security taxes and Medicare taxes 219 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: that you paid I think it's one hundred and sixteen 220 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: thousand dollars or something like that. After that, you don't 221 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 1: pay into Social Security anymore. And so what the left 222 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: says is just get rid of the cap you pay 223 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: your self, Security, Medicare, taxes on everything. What folks like 224 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: Bernie and are saying is okay, will allow a grace 225 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 1: from like one sixteen. I think it's up to two fifty, 226 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: he says, Others say up to four hundred. So you're 227 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 1: not going to see an increase in your taxes if 228 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: you're making between one sixteen and two fifty or four hundred, 229 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: but over four hundred you would then continue to pay 230 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: into Social Security and Medicare. Yeah, boom, guess what all 231 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: of a sudden those numbers start to add up and 232 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: you have strengthened programs. Yes, the numbers start to add 233 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 1: up until we have ballooning costs of healthcare that continue 234 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: to create an in time. And so like single pair 235 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: can handle that, we'll get to that unless they can 236 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: come up with a way to do it. I mean, 237 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: it's just such This is like the crux of it. 238 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: It's such bs where they're selling out people's lives for 239 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: political purposes again and again. Whether it's on the left 240 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:36,959 Speaker 1: or the right, it's like, well, we'll just keep doing X, 241 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: Y and Z without tackling this because we'll get booted 242 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,199 Speaker 1: out of Congress again. Whether you're on the left or 243 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: the right, we'll worry about it later. We'll worry about 244 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: it later. Well, at some point, and you can make 245 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,439 Speaker 1: an argument right now that the inflation crisis is partially 246 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: because in some part, maybe it's a small part, but 247 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: in some part, the average American is their bank account 248 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: is worse off because of the incredible amount of debt 249 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 1: that we have. And maybe the solution is meant the coin, 250 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: maybe the solection is MMPT, but the bottom line is 251 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: that it's not a solvent program. But cuts are also 252 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: absolutely not a humane thing on the table right now. 253 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:13,199 Speaker 1: Even Republicans know that. So it's they're just going to 254 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 1: be They're going to end up passing a cr because 255 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: that's the way that they can sort of get themselves 256 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: through the summer, because you would likely default if you 257 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:23,839 Speaker 1: don't do anything on this around, and they'll raise the 258 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: debt ceiling. You think without a fight, I think goes 259 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: you could put that. Manu Roger tweet back up again. 260 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: That's what Manu says in there. He says, but there 261 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,439 Speaker 1: are ours who are no votes, no matter what I 262 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: think that that's what you are sort of implying there. 263 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: He can only lose like two or three votes, depending 264 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,959 Speaker 1: on what's going on. He's gonna bind is Santo's still 265 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: going to be in office by then. We'll see. Well, 266 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: and here's Thomas Massey, he said. One idea, according to CNN, 267 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: he has been advocating for, is passing a cr quote 268 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: as soon as possible that funds the government at ninety 269 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: nine percent of its current levels and pairs it with 270 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: a debt ceiling increase, just so that they have a 271 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: backup plan in case they're unable to come to an 272 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: agreement on the debt ceiling or funding the government. One 273 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: reason that's important is because I think they're just going 274 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: to end up going back and forth tiki taky over 275 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 1: discretionary spending. That will be the inch that Biden gives, 276 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: and it'll be the inch, you know McCarthy gets, is 277 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: that you get some cuts to some woke program, A 278 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: program McCarthy can say is woke here and there, and 279 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: Biden will give on that, and they'll do their cr 280 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: and that's how they'll avoid everything. Well, see, and we 281 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: tease the McConnell one, we can put a five back up, 282 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: right if people got an early look at that, it's 283 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: fascinating to watch the Senate just be like this, mo 284 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: Ning is Paul, this is between y'all. You guys, just 285 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: work this out. Let us know when you get to something. 286 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: If you remember the last suck, yes, if you remember 287 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: last time McConnell allowed for the first time, you said it, 288 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 1: this will be the only time, and nobody believed it 289 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: was going to be the only time a fifty vote 290 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: threshold to get the debt ceiling through. So, in other words, 291 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: there was Republican cooperation, but it didn't show up on 292 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: the Senate floor, which is all they want. And McConnell 293 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: has consistently said there is not going to be a 294 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: debt ceiling crisis. We're going to raise the debt limit. 295 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: Every time he says that, it undercuts McCarthy a little bit. Yeah, 296 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: and then he says, I'm deferring to Kevin over there. 297 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: Good luck Kevin, but we're not going to have a 298 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: debt ceiling crisis. Right, So they're both in incredibly tight spots. 299 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: Republicans are incredibly tight spots on this, and the Biden 300 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: administration politically at least, isn't a great position. I mean, 301 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: it's hard for them to lose on these negotiations because 302 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: a default looks bad for Republicans. Prolonging inch and closer 303 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: to a debt crisis looks bad for Republicans. You know, 304 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people, there are some people 305 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: and there this is a huge part of the Tea 306 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: Party movement, for instance, back in the day, but really 307 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: wanted to see strengthening of Social Security and Medicare because 308 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: people are worried about what their kids end up getting 309 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: out of it. And I get that. I think that 310 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: is very real, but it's a much harder sell and 311 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: it works much effectively on a political level than protecting 312 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: those programs. And even Donald Trump knows that. JD. Vance 313 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: knows that, because they've both come out in support of 314 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: getting the hell off the table before Democrats use it 315 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: to tank the Republican Party and before Republicans use it 316 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: to pull the rug out from under average Americans. The 317 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: way to keep those programs solvent those to keep the 318 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: economy strong, which goes to immigration, which I think we'll 319 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: talk about later. We will, we can go to Ukraine first. 320 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: So this is again the tanks were sent last week. 321 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: Germany and the United States sort of agreed on the 322 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: Leopard tanks. B one here, Yeah, if we put up 323 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: B one. This is a headline from Fox News. Biden 324 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: says no to F sixteen fighter juts for Ukraine. France 325 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: considers sending warplanes now. Basically what happened in the France 326 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: situation is that Macron along with the Dutch Prime minister 327 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: both said that they wouldn't rule it out, basically sending 328 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: fighter juts to Ukraine. Biden and Schultz in Germany have 329 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: both said no to this. Biden replied with a simple no. 330 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 1: This is from Fox. When asked if the US would 331 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: send the sophisticated war planes to Kiev, Schultz has said, 332 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: quote he says, NATO is not at war. NATO is 333 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: not at war a Russia and quote, we will not 334 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: allow such an escalation. Brian, what do you make of 335 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 1: the difference between not Krone and the United States and 336 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 1: Germany there, Well, it suggests that we might be entering 337 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: the pattern that we're getting familiar with, which is Ukraine 338 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: makes a demand for something Germany in the US say no, 339 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 1: we're not going to do that. That's going to escalate 340 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 1: the war. They ask again a couple of times, We're like, okay, 341 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: you know what, actually fine, you can have that, which, 342 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:43,239 Speaker 1: you know, which is what happened with the tanks. Now 343 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: with Germany and now the US also sending tanks over there, 344 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:53,120 Speaker 1: and it feels like Schultz himself is exasperated and recognizes 345 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 1: this pattern. There's this great quote from him in there 346 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: where he says the fact we've only just made a 347 00:17:57,600 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 1: decision on sending tanks and the next debate is fire 348 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 1: up in Germany, that just seems frivolous. Well, so he's like, 349 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 1: I just gave you tanks, is it? Do you think though, 350 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: then them saying no is theater they know they ultimately 351 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 1: have to give on this or are they saying please stop? 352 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,439 Speaker 1: I think it's them seeing where the line is. I 353 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 1: think they're gonna And you know, then the Biden administration 354 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: has been resistant to sending jets since you know, February 355 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: March of twenty twenty two with front at the time 356 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 1: of the initial invasion, and Ukraine has been asking it 357 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: since then. If you remember, that was the thing that 358 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: the White House Press Corps was like, you know, banging 359 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 1: the war jumps for for for weeks that they're only 360 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:38,239 Speaker 1: when are you going to send the planes? What are 361 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: you going to send the fighter jets? About that fourteen 362 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: one of the sixteenes and so they have held firm 363 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: on that, but you know that ask was up here. Meanwhile, 364 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 1: they've got the other asks up here and now here, 365 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: the tanks and the lepers and the abrams. So it 366 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: feels like Germany saying no, but wondering like are we 367 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:00,640 Speaker 1: going to get steamrolled on this too? And I think 368 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: some of it depends on what happens with this upcoming 369 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: Russian offensive that is being telegraphed. So I was just 370 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 1: going to ask you to talk a little bit about that. 371 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: How do you interpret they're gaining momentum post tanks for 372 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: f sixteens in light of the Russian offensive that they've 373 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: been telegraphing. That's the thing that kind of uncorked the 374 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: tanks from the West is this sense that Russia's gaining 375 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 1: some ground here and there and is going to launch 376 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 1: this going to launch this offensive. It feels like each 377 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: side looking to the other for more permission to escalate further, 378 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: just making the situation that much more dangerous. You occasionally 379 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: hear people saying, well, what this will do is this 380 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 1: will help Ukraine when it eventually gets the negotiating table, 381 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: But nobody in positions of power or anywhere near positions 382 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:57,439 Speaker 1: of power will lay out a roadmap for what it 383 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: would take to get to that place where they are 384 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 1: actually negotiations going on. What do you make of the 385 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 1: argument that if the United States, in Germany and NATO 386 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 1: partners did more right now so increase spending handed over 387 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 1: for instance of F sixteen's right now, and gave Ukraine 388 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: a big jump in its capacity, that Russia wouldn't be 389 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: able to withstand that level of pressure and this would 390 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 1: end sooner than trying to sort of do tif for 391 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: tight de escalation. I question whether or not there is 392 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: the capacity to do that. Like you talk about their 393 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 1: moving twelve tanks, you know, from Germany and movement in 394 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 1: a couple of dozen or whatever from the United States, 395 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 1: It's going to take weeks and months to make that happen. 396 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 1: People need to be trained up. Like that argument really 397 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 1: only works if you're talking about overwhelming force, like some 398 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: type of Powell doctrine type of thing, which means, you know, 399 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: American boots on the ground and like actually bringing the 400 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: full weight of the US military to bear on the situation, 401 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 1: because there are going to be constraints if you're dealing 402 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: with the Ukrainian army, Like the Ukrainian army can only 403 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 1: it can only do so much. So it just that 404 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:23,120 Speaker 1: to me seems dangerous. This this like idea that you're 405 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 1: going to get peace through annihilation the other right, and 406 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: that's where I was going to go with it. My 407 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: response to that argument would be, I'm not sure that 408 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: we're in a position where we want to be testing 409 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: vironment Putin's tolerance escalation at that. Let are nuclear weapons involved, right, 410 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: there are nuclear weapons involved, and the importance of Ukraine 411 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: to Putin or let's say even he let's say his 412 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: end goal is just some sort of maybe he has 413 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: to use tactical nukes in his perspective to to seize 414 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: what he wants from Donbos? Is that more important to 415 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:59,360 Speaker 1: him than it is to NATO and to the military 416 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,640 Speaker 1: budgets of other countries and the people of other countries 417 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 1: that have supported this war effort rightfully up until this point. 418 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 1: I think the answer to that question is very much 419 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: up in the air. How far Vladimir Putin is willing 420 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: to take his country to unlawfully seize that territory, how 421 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: much blood he's willing to shed to unlawfully seize that 422 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: territory feel like an enormous amount. Because his survival, his 423 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: political survival, requires him not to lose this war. It's 424 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: been framed as basically an existential test for Russia, and 425 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 1: it doesn't require and I think that one mistake people 426 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: make is it doesn't require in order for him to 427 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:37,959 Speaker 1: stay in power. He doesn't need to win. He just 428 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: needs to not lose. And so to not lose, all 429 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 1: he has to do is continue to feed Russian lives 430 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:51,919 Speaker 1: into the maw of Ukraine, just destroying Ukraine and destroying 431 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: Ukrainian lives in the process. And so as long as 432 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 1: he's doing that on some scale, he can continue to 433 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: claim that he's he hasn't lost the war. And so 434 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 1: what capacity does Ukraine have to prevent Russia from ever 435 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: doing that? Because that's such it's such a low bar 436 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 1: for Russia to do. Are Americans willing to put boots 437 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,199 Speaker 1: on the ground? They answered that question absolutely not, No, 438 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 1: absolutely not. Despite the funding the war at such a 439 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,159 Speaker 1: high level, which American people aren't really asked if they 440 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 1: wanted to do that. We never asked anymore. Yeah, it 441 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: was a decision that was made and then once and 442 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,159 Speaker 1: then once Republicans took over, they funded it, you know, 443 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: for the next six months or whatever through the lame duck. Yeah. 444 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 1: And on that note, this question of how far Putin 445 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 1: is willing to push things. Boris Johnson, I don't mean 446 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: to chuckle there, but you have to see this clip 447 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 1: of Boris Johnson because it's Boris Johnson being very Boris Johnson. 448 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: Let's roll that clip of him talking about a quote 449 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: extraordinary phone call he had with Putin. He said, you 450 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: say that Ukraine is not getting to on NATO anytime soon? 451 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: He said in English anytime soon? What is anytime soon? 452 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 1: And I said, well, it's not going to join a 453 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 1: NATO for the foreseeable future, you know that perfectly. Well, 454 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 1: he fundamentally wasn't about you know, he sort of he 455 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: threatened me at one point and said, you know, Boris, 456 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 1: I don't want to hurt you, but with a missile 457 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:23,880 Speaker 1: it would only take a minute or something like that, 458 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:32,400 Speaker 1: you know, Johnny. But I think from the very relaxed 459 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: tone that he was taking, the sort of air of 460 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:42,439 Speaker 1: detachment that he seemed to have. He was just playing 461 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: along with my attempts to get him to negotiate. First 462 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: of all, perhaps to Boris Johnson for giving up on 463 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: the accent after the first word he started to retell, 464 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 1: I've done it myself. He's started to like retell the 465 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: story in Putin's voice, but just gave up on it 466 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 1: right after the word Bori. Second, the Kremlin says this 467 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: is a lie. It is worth I think zeroing in 468 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: on what Johnson himself said, where he says it was 469 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,439 Speaker 1: a very relaxed tone, there's this Arab detachment, and he 470 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,640 Speaker 1: was just playing along with my attempts to get him negotiate, 471 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: just some casual missile jokes to further to sort of 472 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: grease the wheels on the negotiations. Also, the evidence that 473 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 1: it might be a lie is that we do know 474 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 1: that the other part is a lot. He was not 475 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 1: trying to negotiate. He was if you remember, there was 476 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 1: a reporting that he went to Kiev and pressured Zelenski 477 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: not to try to negotiate. That's right with Putin, so 478 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: Boris Johnson was on the other side of that question, 479 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: Boris Johnson was trying to stop negotiations, not produce negotiations. 480 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: That's a good question. I look forward to his memoir 481 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: in which he says the exact opposite, and these interviews 482 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: where he's yeah, I was trying to negotiate an end 483 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 1: to it, and he threatened me with a missile. Yeah, 484 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: surely the memoir is forthcoming. But would he have made 485 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,199 Speaker 1: that up, the line about it will only take him? No, 486 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: it's a missile. I don't know. No, it's very I 487 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: think it's is very specific. And to put it out 488 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 1: in public. If anything Putin likes that, I mean that. 489 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: I can't imagine Putin is upset if people think he's 490 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,920 Speaker 1: tough enough to joke around with the Prime Minister about 491 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 1: hitting him with a missile. I mean, it makes him 492 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: look like he's the stronger one in that negotiation. He's 493 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 1: got the upper hand there if he's going to joke 494 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,159 Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, And there was some reporting that Russia 495 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,120 Speaker 1: has said that London would be the first place they'd 496 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 1: hit if they went, if they went ham there you go. Now, 497 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: speaking of our Pentagon defence budget and all of that 498 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 1: wonderful stuff, this is a really big story that I 499 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: think has gotten buried in the news cycle, and we 500 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: can put the first tear sheet up for this block 501 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 1: elaked memo. Here's the headline from the Hill. US general 502 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 1: predicts country will be at war with China and twenty 503 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 1: twenty five. Now where that news comes from is elaked 504 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,439 Speaker 1: memo two troops from a four star Air Force general, 505 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: Mike Minahan. He's the head of the Air Mobility Command. 506 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: That's like fifty thousand service members, some five hundred planes. 507 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,360 Speaker 1: They do transport, they do refueling. According to press reports, 508 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 1: this moment got leaked. I think it was first to NBC. 509 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: He said that he believes the country will be at 510 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,679 Speaker 1: war with China by twenty twenty five. So that is 511 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 1: a four star Air Force general putting in writing in 512 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: a memo to everyone under his command that he thinks 513 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 1: the US is going to be at war with China 514 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: by twenty twenty five. His reasoning is that because both 515 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: Taiwan and the US have presidential elections coming up in 516 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,199 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, the US will be quote distractive, and 517 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: Shujinping will have an opportunity to move on Taiwan in 518 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: the shadow of American attention that's devoted to the presidential election. 519 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 1: It's addressed to all of the air win commanders in 520 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 1: the AMC and other Air Force operational commanders. Here's the 521 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 1: other part. It orders them to report all major efforts 522 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: to prepare for the China fight to Minihan by February 523 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 1: twenty eighth. That's from NBC orders them to report all 524 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 1: major efforts to prep for the China fight by February 525 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,040 Speaker 1: twenty eighth. So the word of caution that I I 526 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: would offer there is that there are about seven hundred 527 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: four star generals out there, and so think about it, 528 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 1: there are four hundred and thirty five members of the 529 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,199 Speaker 1: House of Representatives, and we would not put stock in 530 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: the word of every one of those bozos. We sure wouldn't. 531 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: So out of that seven hundred, you're gonna, you're gonna, 532 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 1: you're gonna get a few that are might might be 533 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: a little bit, a little bit off the reservation when 534 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: it comes to some of this stuff eccentric. But it's 535 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,159 Speaker 1: not just the Kookie thing he said. I mean he 536 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: put it in writing an AMMO and asked for actions. 537 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: Kookie too. Now, so the Pentagon was asked about this 538 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: and said that this guy's note to his airman does 539 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 1: not represent the thinking of the United States Army or 540 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: Air Force or Peagon or anybody else other than him. However, 541 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: we can take the question on it on the merits, 542 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: like is it reasonable that this could happen? Of course 543 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: it is. You know, China is is closely watching. I think, 544 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: you know, how the world responds to to Russia's invasion 545 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: of Ukraine and whether or not they kind of you know, 546 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: backchannel financial systems that they've built up to try to 547 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: get around United States sanctions to try to continue to 548 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: have a robust economy, you know, with sanctions in place, 549 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 1: whether whether whether that's enough. They're they're looking at the 550 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 1: capabilities that the West has and whether or not that's 551 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 1: it's gonna be enough to kind of, you know, if 552 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: to succeed in an amphibious invasion of Taiwan. The Taiwanese 553 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: say that they don't, they're not worried. Everything's fine. What 554 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: else would they say? In some ways, so it's it's 555 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 1: certainly possible. But and the fact that I think the 556 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: guys four stars give him a little more credibility than 557 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: maybe his argument deserves. Yeah, although to your point is 558 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: it possible. Is it plausible? I think clearly the answer 559 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: to that question is yes. And one thing I would 560 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: look at in particular is the semiconductor trips, which we've 561 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: talked about a lot on the show, and I know 562 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: Soger and Crystal have talked about it as well. That's 563 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 1: really one of the key issues when it comes to Taiwan, 564 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: because you said amphibious invasion, So only real way for 565 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 1: China to invade Taiwan or the military incursion. Couldn't they send, 566 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: like slowly send twenty thousand people and they all changed 567 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: into their uniforms there. I don't want to give anybody 568 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: ideas just gu I mean, you can travel back and forth, 569 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: so like, why do you would you have to do 570 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: it in like an invasion at gunpoint? I mean, I 571 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: might figure that one out what's going on suddenly, but gosh, 572 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 1: now it's going to happen. Well, if it's peaceful, it's 573 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 1: one country anyway, according to our policy. That's right, according 574 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 1: to our policy. And again the semiconductors, we had this 575 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: big piece of legislation that I would argue was probably 576 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: way more croneistic than was appropriate, but it it takes 577 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: some by estimates like some three to four years for 578 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: that process to really complete itself. For the United States 579 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 1: to open semiconductor factories and start manufacturing the stuff that 580 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: is essential to modern life for the American people and 581 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: for our military. That's a process to get these factors 582 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: up and running takes several years. And that's one of 583 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: the biggest things that concerns me about the timeline here 584 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: because as we're going about that process, as we're trying 585 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: to reshure the essential sort of critical parts of our 586 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: supply chain post COVID, we all learned that with various 587 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 1: parts of protective equipment and everything. China knows that and 588 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 1: they know that once we get the capacity to do 589 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: those things, the calculus shifts a little bit. And relevant 590 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: to the Dutch Prime Minister was here in the middle 591 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 1: of January, and while there there was a lot of 592 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: news reporting about this. Biden pressured him, like to stop 593 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: exporting these semiconductors ups to to China. They're apparently they're 594 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: the makers of a certain type of chip that is 595 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 1: the only factor that makes it, like you know, top 596 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 1: of the world essential to the semiconductor supply chains. They 597 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: have not agreed to that yet, but the fact that 598 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: the US is applying so much pressure to a country 599 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: like the Netherlands to get to get in line with 600 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 1: this attempted semiconductor isolation of China is extraordinary. It's it's 601 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 1: unlike anything that the US has done before on on 602 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 1: kind of trade and nial security and foreign foreign policy. 603 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: And so if if anything that could uh, you know, 604 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 1: push push things to the brink. So on. On that note, 605 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 1: speaking of things that from the Chinese perspective they're projecting 606 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 1: might push them to the brink. This is from the 607 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: Foreign A Foreign Ministry spokeswoman on Monday at a news 608 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: briefing said, quote, we urge certain individuals in the US 609 00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: to earnestly abide by the one China China Prince, and 610 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 1: they should quote stop doing anything that violates the basic 611 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: norms and international relations. Now on its own, that might 612 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 1: that quote might seem very vague in general, but as 613 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: Fox reports, quote Mao is responding. That's the spokeswoman to 614 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 1: a question about a report last week that Kevin McCarthy 615 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 1: was planning a trip to Taiwan, something he said he 616 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: would do should he be elected House Speaker, after saying 617 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: he supported the August trip by Nancy Pelosi. Now Mao, 618 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: the spokeswoman, according to Fox Quote, later reaffirmed her government 619 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: would never promise to give up the use of force 620 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: to unify Taiwan and China, and said the Chinese government 621 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: hoped to resolve the situation peacefully. You think McCarthy goes. 622 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 1: How long does he last as speaker? That's entirely fair. 623 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 1: He tries to wait it out. Actually, I think if 624 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: he lasts a speaker, then then then he'll probably go. 625 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 1: It'll be able to become a new tradition, bipartisan tradition 626 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: in America to like attempt a world war get when 627 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 1: you get the gavel. I think this makes it more 628 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: likely that he goes, if anything, Having the spokesman for 629 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 1: the Chinese Foreign ministry talk in terms like that basically 630 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 1: dare him to go. I think now that he said 631 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 1: he would go just if China says no, that makes 632 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 1: it all the more likely that he has to do it. 633 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 1: I mean, it basically forces his hand. Well, I mean, 634 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 1: he's not forced to like walk us closer to a 635 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:27,319 Speaker 1: nuclear war from a political perspective. From a purely political perspective, 636 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,240 Speaker 1: I guess. But I just don't think the public cares 637 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 1: that much like that. I mean, they don't want a 638 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 1: nuclear war, but I mean I don't think they're following along. 639 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 1: I do think the Taiwanese and Chinese and American relations 640 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 1: enough to be able to answer basic kind of trivia 641 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 1: questions about it, let alone have a firm opinion or 642 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 1: even understand why him traveling directly to Taiwan would even 643 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 1: be that offensive. And like, I feel like it's, you know, 644 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 1: it's an internal like it's kind of an insider politics 645 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,399 Speaker 1: thing rather than something that matters more broadly to people. Well, 646 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,359 Speaker 1: but except for the broad China question, which is really 647 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 1: important to Republican voters that Kevin mccarthyen again, he's in 648 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,319 Speaker 1: a really tight spot with his own caucus because there 649 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,360 Speaker 1: are these divisions within the voter base, or these demands 650 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: in this atmosphere within the Republican voter base. So it's 651 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: the if it's tied into this broader China narrative, it 652 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: makes him look weak and makes Republicans look weak against China. Again. 653 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 1: That's why I think politically it's sort of unfeasible for 654 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 1: him to now back away from what he said he 655 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: would do because China warned him like, don't do it. Kevin, 656 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 1: He's just saying. He just kept keeps saying on planning 657 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:34,720 Speaker 1: the trip. I'm gonna do it. Don't don't you worry. 658 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 1: It's coming up. It's just around the corner anything now. 659 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 1: So moving on. There's a new report in Axios actually 660 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 1: that came out on Tuesday. They say the Biden administration 661 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,399 Speaker 1: quote is weighing a plan to declare a public health 662 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 1: emergency that would free up resources to help people access abortions. 663 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 1: That's the first tear sheet we have. We can put 664 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 1: that up on the screen. You know. There's some debate 665 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 1: even within the Biden administration because they're kind of noncommittal 666 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:04,319 Speaker 1: in this axious thing. Basically, they're saying that the administration 667 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 1: is saying. This is from Javier Bessera. He told Axios 668 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 1: this on Monday. There are discussions on a wide range 669 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 1: of measures that we can take to try to protect 670 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 1: people's rights. It would allow the administration, according to Axios, 671 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,920 Speaker 1: to help support states that protect abortion, deploy public health 672 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,280 Speaker 1: services core teams, and give the government quote the ability 673 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 1: to accelerate access to new medications authorized for abortion. But 674 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,840 Speaker 1: there's debate within the administration itself, which has been getting 675 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:33,760 Speaker 1: pressure from Democrats who say and in abortion groups who say, 676 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,239 Speaker 1: this is a necessary step, this is a public health 677 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,760 Speaker 1: emergency post row, and the White House has an obligation 678 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,640 Speaker 1: to do it. But there's debate within the administration as 679 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,279 Speaker 1: to whether this would do much, if it would free 680 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,400 Speaker 1: up enough resource, enough resources to make a difference to 681 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,880 Speaker 1: be worth it. I think you know again, yeah, we 682 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,719 Speaker 1: were talking earlier. It doesn't do a whole lot, or 683 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,760 Speaker 1: it depends on how you interpret it. Yeah, it's exactly 684 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:00,279 Speaker 1: and I think that's the thing they said the Biden 685 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,799 Speaker 1: administration over the summer said basically, they went back and 686 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 1: talked to experts and experts. After they'd consulted with experts, 687 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,800 Speaker 1: they realized it would free up a pool that amounted 688 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 1: to quote tens of thousands of dollars as opposed to 689 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of dollars, tens of millions of dollars, 690 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,920 Speaker 1: millions of dollars, hundreds of millions of dollars. And they 691 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 1: weren't confident it would do a lot on the other 692 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:21,920 Speaker 1: fronts that people claim it would do a lot on. 693 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,719 Speaker 1: So what is your take on that? Do you do 694 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,240 Speaker 1: you think there's evidence that suggests a public health emergency 695 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,279 Speaker 1: in this case, I mean one thing that I see 696 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 1: this article from NBC News. Under the PREP Act, the 697 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 1: HHS Secretary can issue a declaration that a countermeasure, a drug, device, 698 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,840 Speaker 1: or biological product is needed to respond to quote a 699 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,920 Speaker 1: disease or other health condition or other threat to health 700 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:47,000 Speaker 1: that constitutes a public health emergency. So then the article 701 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 1: mentions the Health Secretary would define the countermeasure and population 702 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,239 Speaker 1: that needs it, but that federal declaration declaration would pre 703 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,920 Speaker 1: empt any state law that is in conflict with it. 704 00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:01,680 Speaker 1: So the public health emergency can basically say, hey, this 705 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,719 Speaker 1: over the counter abortion not over the counter. This prescription 706 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,320 Speaker 1: abortion pill for first trendmester, which is a very common 707 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 1: use of that pill is qualifies under the public Health emergency. 708 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 1: So states that ban it you can go around. I 709 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 1: don't think they need that though, to allow legal access 710 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,920 Speaker 1: to abortion medication, reclassify it in the same sense as 711 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,839 Speaker 1: like Plan B. Is that what you'd say, Well, yeah, there, 712 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,719 Speaker 1: I mean, as long as it's FDA approved, then my 713 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,240 Speaker 1: understanding is that states cannot come in and ban FDA 714 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:39,879 Speaker 1: approve drugs that that federal law preempts when it when 715 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 1: it when it comes to whether or not that can happen, 716 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,719 Speaker 1: so they wouldn't. I don't think they would need a 717 00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,120 Speaker 1: public health emergency for that, but they would need the 718 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,920 Speaker 1: FDA to come in. The FDA has alread approved it, 719 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,319 Speaker 1: but states have banned it, have they not? But they 720 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 1: but but they can't ban it by mail, right, Yes, yes, 721 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,160 Speaker 1: you can ban like the selling of it in a right, 722 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,040 Speaker 1: so would And I think then the question is whether 723 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,440 Speaker 1: this would would it stand up in court? Would it 724 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,120 Speaker 1: hold up in court this court? Right, I mean, well 725 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,640 Speaker 1: in lower courts even it would it hold up in court? 726 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 1: And then is it sort of legally constitutionally allowed to 727 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,520 Speaker 1: preempt those laws because it's if he's declared it a 728 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:25,000 Speaker 1: public health emergency, has defined that access to abortion being 729 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,000 Speaker 1: curtailed in the wake of Dobbs has constituted a public 730 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,319 Speaker 1: health emergency. He's defined it as such. Thus, this would 731 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,480 Speaker 1: have to qualify because it's a drug that would treat right, 732 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,400 Speaker 1: It's it just depends on who wins the elections and 733 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 1: is able to appoint the justices because like before Republicans 734 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,120 Speaker 1: had the majority on the court, it would have been 735 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 1: obvious that yes, like it was obvious like there's there's 736 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 1: a constitutional right to abortion that was the law of 737 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,759 Speaker 1: the land. Now they've reinterpreted the constitutions say that there's 738 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,239 Speaker 1: no constitutional right right to abortion. So I'm sure that 739 00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,560 Speaker 1: they would say I have no doubt that Alito right 740 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,000 Speaker 1: comes to down and tries to nuke something like this 741 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:07,000 Speaker 1: if it actually does anything effective. Yeah, no, absolutely, But 742 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,680 Speaker 1: though it raises the question for me of why politically 743 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:13,760 Speaker 1: the Biden administration wouldn't just do this. It just seems 744 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,359 Speaker 1: to me like it's an obvious thing to do if 745 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:20,680 Speaker 1: it's going to be from their perspective, inconsequential. I mean, 746 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,320 Speaker 1: I don't think they're that worried about setting dangerous precedent 747 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:27,080 Speaker 1: at this point. So just from a sheerly, like nakedly 748 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,239 Speaker 1: political perspective, I don't understand why they're not just doing 749 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:34,040 Speaker 1: it unless they consulted sort of constitutional legal experts and 750 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:38,120 Speaker 1: those experts told them this could create a legal nightmare 751 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,440 Speaker 1: because it would open up things that perhaps the Biden 752 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,680 Speaker 1: administration is worried would be used against Democrats, would be 753 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,520 Speaker 1: called radical et cetera, et cetera. But I actually, I 754 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,600 Speaker 1: mean I could see it in the case of the 755 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,040 Speaker 1: abortion by mail drugs being used that way by Republicans 756 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,080 Speaker 1: to say they just mandated access to this, you know, 757 00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:01,879 Speaker 1: they undercut the Supreme Court. But if that, if that 758 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:06,600 Speaker 1: interpretation wouldn't even fly, it seems to me like politically 759 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,600 Speaker 1: it would be a winner for them. Yeah. The bigger 760 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,800 Speaker 1: win to me would be getting abortion access on federal property, 761 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,560 Speaker 1: on federal land, so in any state, if it's federal property, Yeah, 762 00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,919 Speaker 1: so right exactly. And so if you can then get 763 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,080 Speaker 1: abortion medication through the mail, and you can get abortion 764 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:28,719 Speaker 1: services in federal property, then you know, then you're going 765 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:33,560 Speaker 1: to have you know, access restored in a substantial way. 766 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,520 Speaker 1: I think the interesting thing also from my perspective is 767 00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,680 Speaker 1: the Biden administration has recently said the COVID emergency is 768 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,839 Speaker 1: ending in May. Right, So it's just I hate to 769 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,880 Speaker 1: be cynical here, but it's just these things are just 770 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,279 Speaker 1: being used as political footballs, right Like Biden says the 771 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,279 Speaker 1: pandemic is over, and then he gets hit by some 772 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,239 Speaker 1: people who are still cleaning to the idea that the 773 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,160 Speaker 1: pandemic is very much raging and he has to take 774 00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,640 Speaker 1: it back. And then we're in a public health emergency 775 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:04,600 Speaker 1: right now. And you look around, obviously there's still suffering 776 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,960 Speaker 1: and tragedy from COVID, it's it's still real, it's still happening. 777 00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,640 Speaker 1: But the public health emergency level, I think that's a 778 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,279 Speaker 1: pretty open debate. And so when these distinctions just get 779 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,200 Speaker 1: tossed around like political footballs, I don't actually even blame 780 00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,000 Speaker 1: either party for doing it at this point, because they 781 00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,279 Speaker 1: becomes so meaningless that it's like a winner for your 782 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,200 Speaker 1: side to cling to one side because it's all been 783 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,120 Speaker 1: blurred anyway. The importance has bred. And if you remember 784 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,920 Speaker 1: Ted Cruz, back when Trump was declaring a national emergency 785 00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,239 Speaker 1: to build his wall when he couldn't get Walt money 786 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,080 Speaker 1: through Congress, Ted Cruz was saying, be careful, because you're 787 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,560 Speaker 1: going to have a Democratic president who's going to declare 788 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:47,839 Speaker 1: a climate emergency and implement communism Green New Deal via 789 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,080 Speaker 1: a climate emergency. Right. He didn't realize at the time 790 00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,120 Speaker 1: that he would so quickly get to see Row overturned, 791 00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:55,600 Speaker 1: but he probably would have said, look, they're going to 792 00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,640 Speaker 1: do something like this if you so, you're right both 793 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,560 Speaker 1: you know, both parties when they get into office are 794 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,880 Speaker 1: having a hard time getting an agenda through Congress. Voters 795 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,080 Speaker 1: are demanding, yes that they do something, so they're just 796 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,359 Speaker 1: going to find ways to do things, or Republicans are 797 00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,240 Speaker 1: probably a little bit better at that than than Democrats. 798 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,440 Speaker 1: That's why they're still having and hauling over doing a 799 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,160 Speaker 1: thing that isn't even obviously going to do anything. I 800 00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,480 Speaker 1: remember talking to Ted Cruz back in like twenty eighteen 801 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,480 Speaker 1: about his position on the legislative philibuster, which has obviously 802 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,319 Speaker 1: been a huge debate on the left and even on 803 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,560 Speaker 1: the right too, even though the right is basically against 804 00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,960 Speaker 1: overtraining the filibuster, and at the time, Ted Cruz is like, 805 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,879 Speaker 1: it's actually a really serious question as to whether because 806 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,040 Speaker 1: it's like a done deal. His perspective at the time 807 00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,480 Speaker 1: is it's basically a done deal. Democrats retake the Senate, 808 00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,919 Speaker 1: they get rid of the filibuster immediately, so why would 809 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,040 Speaker 1: Republicans not do it? Like he's talking about how his 810 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,120 Speaker 1: perspective has shifted on that, but it's like we're still 811 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,440 Speaker 1: in this period where we're totally unable to actually like 812 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,680 Speaker 1: Congress is totally unable to do everything. We funneled it 813 00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:00,719 Speaker 1: all to the executive branch into the wider bureaucracy, but 814 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,480 Speaker 1: we still haven't quite dispensed with the pretense and just 815 00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:09,760 Speaker 1: kind of opened up the floodgates yet. Yeah. So speaking 816 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,560 Speaker 1: of George Santos, I was so happy, I was so 817 00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,439 Speaker 1: hoping that you would take the top of this block. 818 00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,120 Speaker 1: Please update us on George Santos. George Santos, Well, first 819 00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,480 Speaker 1: of all, there was some CNN reporting from his ex boyfriend. 820 00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:21,960 Speaker 1: You can go find I think it was CNN. You 821 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,520 Speaker 1: go find that. That's some if you want a little 822 00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:30,200 Speaker 1: scandalous drama. His ex boyfriend is appalled at his psycho 823 00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:34,919 Speaker 1: psychopathic lying. But over here in Washington, Santos has told 824 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,440 Speaker 1: Republicans you can put up the first one here that 825 00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,160 Speaker 1: he's going to voluntarily step off of the Committee Sciences. 826 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:45,760 Speaker 1: He was given three panels by by Kevin McCarthy. Kevin McCarthy, 827 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,560 Speaker 1: you know, needed every single vote to become speaker and 828 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,360 Speaker 1: did not want to hear word one about not seating 829 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,240 Speaker 1: George Santos or kicking George Santos out until he was through. 830 00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,839 Speaker 1: He now has to govern. We talked earlier in the show. 831 00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:04,120 Speaker 1: He needs George Santos's vote to kick ilhan Omar off 832 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,880 Speaker 1: the Foreign Affairs which is rather incredible to think about 833 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,920 Speaker 1: that you're going to have a member in good standing 834 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:16,960 Speaker 1: elected three times by her district, sent to Washington to 835 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:21,120 Speaker 1: be a voice for the people of Minneapolis, and George 836 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,440 Speaker 1: Santos is going to cast the tie breaking vote to 837 00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:28,279 Speaker 1: kick her off of the committee, just utterly appalling. He 838 00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:32,040 Speaker 1: said he felt like his appearance there was on these 839 00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:36,360 Speaker 1: committees was a distraction, which maybe maybe there would have 840 00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,240 Speaker 1: been more ratings for them. I'd like to see George 841 00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:43,400 Speaker 1: Santos kind of interrogating some of these guys. And then 842 00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,640 Speaker 1: we also had we could put the second one up 843 00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:51,160 Speaker 1: here from Sahill, a poll from his district showing that 844 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,719 Speaker 1: basically everybody wants him to step down except what was it, 845 00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,960 Speaker 1: thirteen percent, like some some funny number of people who 846 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,839 Speaker 1: are like no, I'm good with it said and say 847 00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:06,520 Speaker 1: they don't know, like this is too entertaining, stick it out. Then, yes, 848 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,879 Speaker 1: come on, this is good stuff. Well, obviously he won 849 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,160 Speaker 1: a swing district, so Republicans are very hesitant to do 850 00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:15,480 Speaker 1: anything that could damage them holding that seat or that 851 00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,560 Speaker 1: could jeopardize them holding that seat, especially with such a 852 00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:22,480 Speaker 1: slim majority in Congress. Now, what continues to infuriate me 853 00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,440 Speaker 1: about the story, and we talked about it last week 854 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,520 Speaker 1: to your point about ilhan Omar is that first of all, 855 00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,920 Speaker 1: what's did Republicans know about whether this man was qualified 856 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,600 Speaker 1: to hold the office, whether he would completely embarrass his constituents, 857 00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:40,080 Speaker 1: their party, and the whole embarrass and bring shame to 858 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,000 Speaker 1: the Institution of Congress to the extent that is still 859 00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,400 Speaker 1: possible to do that. What did they know about that 860 00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,839 Speaker 1: when they were doing their vulnerability studies? And why did 861 00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,319 Speaker 1: Democrats not have the resources to come up with the 862 00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:54,680 Speaker 1: oppo research on this? And why did local media pay 863 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,560 Speaker 1: no attention to it. The owner of the publisher of 864 00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:59,719 Speaker 1: a really small paper on Long Island said it was 865 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,400 Speaker 1: because everyone was distracted. He broke some stories about Santos 866 00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,440 Speaker 1: before the election and said everyone else was started distracted 867 00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,280 Speaker 1: by bigger races. Well, when you have poultry at local 868 00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:13,320 Speaker 1: media presence, that's what happens, and it's not what voters deserve, honestly, 869 00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:17,880 Speaker 1: and the Santos voters should have had the appropriate information 870 00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:19,440 Speaker 1: that we expect to have as voters, that you and 871 00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,320 Speaker 1: I expect to have in front of us as voters. 872 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,200 Speaker 1: As journalists, you and I can't look into every member 873 00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,480 Speaker 1: of Congress and every single story, and so we expect 874 00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:30,000 Speaker 1: that other people are covering these bases and local races, 875 00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,800 Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. People deserve to have that information 876 00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,759 Speaker 1: before he was elected. And the big questions for me 877 00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,200 Speaker 1: when we're looking at the fact, I mean the investigations 878 00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:42,279 Speaker 1: into him, the fact that these are happening after this 879 00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,680 Speaker 1: guy's elected to Congress, not during his campaign or not 880 00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,440 Speaker 1: during before he even decides to become a public figure. 881 00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:52,520 Speaker 1: I mean, this stuff is horrible. The FEC stuff makes 882 00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,280 Speaker 1: sense that it's after the election because obviously it's campaign 883 00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,800 Speaker 1: finance stuff. But he's now allegedly involved in this Harbor 884 00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,120 Speaker 1: City Capital ponzis game. Have you looked at this? The 885 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,839 Speaker 1: SEC is looking into it. Shocking. Have you heard about 886 00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,799 Speaker 1: this a little bit? Yeah, He's like the SEC is 887 00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,520 Speaker 1: now asking people basically, you know what he told them 888 00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,080 Speaker 1: when he was pitching them on Harbor City Capital, the 889 00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,000 Speaker 1: campaign finance finance stuff that the FEC is looking into. 890 00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,239 Speaker 1: This is a quote. This is from the Washington Post. 891 00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,840 Speaker 1: Over the past few years, FEC analysts have repeatedly identified 892 00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,520 Speaker 1: problems with Santos's filings with the regular sending regulators sending 893 00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:28,240 Speaker 1: multiple letters seeking care, clarification or correction of apparent issues, 894 00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:33,480 Speaker 1: including accepting contributions beyond the allowable limit, omitting required donor information, 895 00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,080 Speaker 1: and filling to fill out required performs to report details 896 00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,480 Speaker 1: with the loans Santos claims to have made to his campaign. 897 00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:41,279 Speaker 1: Did he think he was going to win? I feel 898 00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:42,600 Speaker 1: like he didn't even think he was going to win, 899 00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,720 Speaker 1: so he just winged it. Yeah, he's he doesn't seem 900 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:47,839 Speaker 1: like the kind of guy that has a long term plan. 901 00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,080 Speaker 1: You're what's just one lie after another, cover up the 902 00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:55,399 Speaker 1: last one. Yeah, and problems with its expenses, like people 903 00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:59,880 Speaker 1: going through like his disbursements are just making absolutely no sense, 904 00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,959 Speaker 1: not adding up, and again to linger on the point 905 00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:07,400 Speaker 1: again for a second. The Houses Republicans are going to 906 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,560 Speaker 1: vote because it'll be a party line. I assume unless 907 00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:13,480 Speaker 1: Josh Gottheimer like does something weird, will vote. Will vote 908 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,920 Speaker 1: on whether or not ilhan Omar should be booted off 909 00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,560 Speaker 1: of the House Foreign Affairs Committee for her alleged anti Semitism. 910 00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,279 Speaker 1: The tie breaking vote could be cast by a guy 911 00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:26,040 Speaker 1: who got elected by saying that his grandmother died in 912 00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:30,160 Speaker 1: the Holocaust and his mother died in the Twin Towers 913 00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,920 Speaker 1: in nine to eleven, and that's and who faked being 914 00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,040 Speaker 1: Jewish and then said no, no, no no, no, I meant 915 00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:39,440 Speaker 1: that I was jew Ish, right, And he's going to 916 00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,239 Speaker 1: cast the tie breaking vote to kick Omar off the 917 00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:45,960 Speaker 1: committee because of concerns around anti Semitism. That's the situation 918 00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,040 Speaker 1: that we find ourselves in right now, you know it is. 919 00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,760 Speaker 1: And Republicans feel like if you talk to like Freedom 920 00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,839 Speaker 1: Caucus people, or even if you talk to you know, 921 00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,960 Speaker 1: leadership people. At this point, they were so exasperated by 922 00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:01,960 Speaker 1: what happened after January sixth, the whin Pelosi transformed the 923 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,560 Speaker 1: powers of leadership in Congress, and by the sort of 924 00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:10,840 Speaker 1: escalation in media corruption and media the media corruption, particularly 925 00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,319 Speaker 1: as it pertains to Republicans and Conservatives have been so 926 00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:17,000 Speaker 1: exasperated by it. They say, our voters want us to 927 00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,640 Speaker 1: demonstrate raw political power right now. So George Santos might 928 00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,000 Speaker 1: be a horrible human being, and we could probably all 929 00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,560 Speaker 1: agree on that might be, you know, we maybe we 930 00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,480 Speaker 1: can all agree on it. The evidence suggests he is. 931 00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:31,080 Speaker 1: But he's a vote, and he's a vote to advance 932 00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,319 Speaker 1: your interests. You saw this all the time over the 933 00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,560 Speaker 1: conversation about Roy Moore, for instance, you had all these 934 00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,279 Speaker 1: voters in Alabama, everyone in Washington. D C was like, Heeah, 935 00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,839 Speaker 1: this guy out of here. This is embarrassment. But there 936 00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:42,479 Speaker 1: are a lot of voters in Alabama and this shows 937 00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,880 Speaker 1: you where the Republican base is. Obviously, he ultimately lost, 938 00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,880 Speaker 1: but there were a lot of people saying, we want 939 00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,520 Speaker 1: to overturn Row. We believe this is a matter of 940 00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:53,080 Speaker 1: life and death in the same way that people on 941 00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,680 Speaker 1: the left believe climate as a matter of urgent life 942 00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,560 Speaker 1: and death. And that's I think speaks to the I 943 00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,799 Speaker 1: think confluence of different emergencies that we're facing. Again, whether 944 00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:05,880 Speaker 1: you're conservative or whether you're liberal, the stakes just feel 945 00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:09,880 Speaker 1: incredibly high right now, and that's driving these sentiments among voters, 946 00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:13,799 Speaker 1: and it's translating into our politics now too, and that 947 00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:18,120 Speaker 1: we're seeing leadership take, you know, the most overused word 948 00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:22,200 Speaker 1: in politics, unprecedented steps in different directions and start breaking 949 00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,600 Speaker 1: the norms, breaking the norms, breaking the norms. Because all 950 00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,520 Speaker 1: of the norms have been broken in the culture. People 951 00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,040 Speaker 1: are just really fed up and they want raw political power, 952 00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,880 Speaker 1: and I think in the case of Santo's it's really unfortunate. 953 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:38,959 Speaker 1: Santos juxappose with Omar the Omar question about allegeddancy semitism. 954 00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,439 Speaker 1: That is really important and really unfortunate in a sad 955 00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,480 Speaker 1: statement as where we are. So and that's why I 956 00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:49,200 Speaker 1: think that Republicans probably won't force him out. Although interesting 957 00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:53,160 Speaker 1: to note that this decision came a day after he 958 00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,440 Speaker 1: met with McCarthy and he was asked, did McCarthy tell 959 00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,440 Speaker 1: you to do this? Why do you ask George Santos anything? 960 00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,880 Speaker 1: Such a good point, it such a good source of information, 961 00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,160 Speaker 1: like did you see he's been leaving out Duncan and 962 00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,040 Speaker 1: Chick fil A for reporters. Yeah, I did see, I 963 00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:10,480 Speaker 1: did see that. Did you take any of it? No? No, 964 00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,000 Speaker 1: I have not gone by there yet. Actually, would you 965 00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,839 Speaker 1: have taken it? Yeah, you shouldn't, but I probably you don't. 966 00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:21,080 Speaker 1: I probably would have. But real quickly, we can put 967 00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:25,200 Speaker 1: up the second stile that the third element here Santos 968 00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:29,720 Speaker 1: voters say, this goes to your point that Santo's voters 969 00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,080 Speaker 1: say sixty three percent to thirty one percent, it means 970 00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:36,200 Speaker 1: it's a third element for the blog. So one out 971 00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:41,319 Speaker 1: of three Santos voters, Yeah, look at what he's said 972 00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:45,080 Speaker 1: since then, and they're like, yeah, I'd still vote for him. 973 00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,839 Speaker 1: And I think those are probably the most rational ones 974 00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:49,799 Speaker 1: in some ways. Yeah, I agree, because they're the ones 975 00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:51,480 Speaker 1: who are, like, principle, well, what do you want to do? 976 00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,719 Speaker 1: Vote for the Democrat? Exactly right, Like it's a matter 977 00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,360 Speaker 1: of ideological consistency. And I think you can disagree with 978 00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,439 Speaker 1: the ethics of actually taking that vote on the question 979 00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,440 Speaker 1: of character, the question of reliability and responsibility, et cetera, 980 00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,680 Speaker 1: et cetera. But that's one hundred percent where we are. 981 00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:07,880 Speaker 1: The stakes are that high. I don't blame people for 982 00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,600 Speaker 1: making that calculation in their own head, even though I 983 00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:15,040 Speaker 1: disagree with it. It's just hard to argue back. You know, again, 984 00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:17,719 Speaker 1: I disagree with it, but it's hard to argue that 985 00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:21,399 Speaker 1: people aren't coming from a legitimate place of desperation, and 986 00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:23,960 Speaker 1: Santus is from a given where he's from in that district, 987 00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,840 Speaker 1: they're probably a handful of sort of independent. They're probably 988 00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,640 Speaker 1: a lot of independent. Maybe some Democratic voters who cast 989 00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,200 Speaker 1: their votes for him, maybe they liked where he stood 990 00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,879 Speaker 1: on cultural social issues, which there's a lot of eyes 991 00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:37,799 Speaker 1: going on there. There's a whole lot of that going 992 00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:42,560 Speaker 1: down there anywhere is like Jewish, yes, yes, So anyway, 993 00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:46,440 Speaker 1: it's just just pathetic that none of those came out before, 994 00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,000 Speaker 1: but hopefully some justice will be sare now one last 995 00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:53,000 Speaker 1: point on that. Cuomo gets some blame for this, and 996 00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:58,680 Speaker 1: guess how so because his conservative Democratic judges throughout the 997 00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,520 Speaker 1: Democratic app that had gone through the commission and then 998 00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,040 Speaker 1: kicked it over to some like guy in Pittsburgh to 999 00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:09,560 Speaker 1: a Republican Pittsburgh to like redraw it. That delayed the 1000 00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:12,800 Speaker 1: primaries in New York until if you remember, like close 1001 00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,840 Speaker 1: to mid September, interesting, really really late, so you didn't 1002 00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:21,799 Speaker 1: know who the Republican candidate was until after well after 1003 00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,520 Speaker 1: Labor Day, slim window first, right, So, and now you're 1004 00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:27,560 Speaker 1: into you're done with house races, like you're down with 1005 00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:30,080 Speaker 1: that portion of the House races at that point, but 1006 00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,240 Speaker 1: at that point you're looking at control of the Senate. 1007 00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:35,279 Speaker 1: You know you still have a time, you'd still have 1008 00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,000 Speaker 1: time to vet a handful of them, but you know, 1009 00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,160 Speaker 1: at that point you're nine weeks away from the election 1010 00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,920 Speaker 1: or less. That's a great point. I've forgotten about them. 1011 00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:46,600 Speaker 1: So thanks Cuomo. I'm always willing to so Santos is 1012 00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:52,600 Speaker 1: Cuomo's fault sounds good to me. What's your points today? Though? Yeah, 1013 00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,080 Speaker 1: you know, I want to talk about a sad story. 1014 00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,439 Speaker 1: I'll start with the sad story that they don't teach 1015 00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,759 Speaker 1: you in most history classes. And Ryan, you probably know 1016 00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:05,080 Speaker 1: about the story of Jean Seberg, an actress that was 1017 00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,840 Speaker 1: familiar to many people. Pulling this out of the Cointel 1018 00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:12,280 Speaker 1: profiles familiar to many people back in the sixties and seventies. 1019 00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,120 Speaker 1: This is from fifty three years ago. I'm going to 1020 00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,000 Speaker 1: read a quote from a report and we can put 1021 00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:19,799 Speaker 1: the graphic up on the screen in The Independent after 1022 00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:23,000 Speaker 1: a movie was made about Jean Sieberg's life in twenty twenty. Quote. 1023 00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,600 Speaker 1: I should preface this by saying she ultimately took her 1024 00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,839 Speaker 1: own life and independent rights. Days after her suicide, the 1025 00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:31,400 Speaker 1: FBI admitted that its agents had plotted to ruin her 1026 00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:35,040 Speaker 1: reputation as part of their counter intelligence program Cointel pro 1027 00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:39,120 Speaker 1: authorized by Jaeger Hoover himself. Seeburg's crime, in Hoover's eyes 1028 00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:41,680 Speaker 1: was her involvement in political causes and her support of 1029 00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,799 Speaker 1: the Black Panther Party. In particular, they were suspicious of 1030 00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:48,560 Speaker 1: her close links with Black Power leader Hakim Jamal In 1031 00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:52,640 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy, The Independent continues, the FBI planted the false 1032 00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:56,880 Speaker 1: rumor that Sieberg was pregnant by a Black Panther party 1033 00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:00,560 Speaker 1: member in order to quote cause her embarrassment and quote 1034 00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:04,320 Speaker 1: cheapen her image with the American public, and their plan worked. 1035 00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:08,480 Speaker 1: It was dispiriting but inevitable that some gossip columnists followed 1036 00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,279 Speaker 1: the false leads that the FBI dangled in front of them. 1037 00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:14,319 Speaker 1: From the FBI's point of view, the Independent continues, she 1038 00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:18,440 Speaker 1: was involved in radical politics, had contributed financially to the 1039 00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,560 Speaker 1: Black Panthers, and was therefore fair game. You can just 1040 00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:23,880 Speaker 1: sort of see the wheels turning in Hoover's head. The 1041 00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:26,759 Speaker 1: story was picked up by gossip colmnist Joyce Haber, who 1042 00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,719 Speaker 1: referred obliquely to it in the Los Angeles Times. Newsweek 1043 00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:33,239 Speaker 1: also wrote about it, and they named Sieburg. After that 1044 00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:37,480 Speaker 1: story came out, Sieberg was so distressed by the attention 1045 00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,000 Speaker 1: that it had brought to her by the false story. 1046 00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:42,719 Speaker 1: By the way, the FBI that was trying to exploit 1047 00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:48,200 Speaker 1: racist animates, animus about interracial relationships at that point, just 1048 00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,760 Speaker 1: completely disgusting and cynical. Moved by jaredgar Hoover. She lost 1049 00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,040 Speaker 1: her baby. She was so stressed. She lost her baby. 1050 00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:56,560 Speaker 1: She was depressed about that for the rest of her life. 1051 00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:01,640 Speaker 1: She would attempt suicide in every anniversary that she lost 1052 00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:05,640 Speaker 1: the baby until she took her own life. Unfortunately, and 1053 00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:10,399 Speaker 1: again the stress is downstream of the FBI deciding that 1054 00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,719 Speaker 1: within its scope of authority and just a moral use 1055 00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:17,440 Speaker 1: of state power is to create a completely false story 1056 00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,160 Speaker 1: and plant it in the press. And guess what. In 1057 00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:23,280 Speaker 1: this case, two journalists played ball with them, granted their 1058 00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,720 Speaker 1: gossip columnists, but they're still putting stuff in print, serious 1059 00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:29,200 Speaker 1: stuff that affects people's lives, and that is coming to 1060 00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:32,200 Speaker 1: them from powerful people in the FBI. Again, we're not 1061 00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:35,280 Speaker 1: talking about small little publications. We're talking about at the 1062 00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:38,960 Speaker 1: time Newsweek, which actually named her in the Los Angeles Times. 1063 00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:42,120 Speaker 1: So what does any of this have to do with 1064 00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:46,480 Speaker 1: the case of Hamilton sixty eight. Well, that's what we're 1065 00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:49,840 Speaker 1: going to talk about. Matt Taibi had an excellent report 1066 00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:53,440 Speaker 1: and turned into a series of report series of reports 1067 00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:56,560 Speaker 1: in the Twitter files that was published last Friday about 1068 00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:59,560 Speaker 1: Hamilton sixty eight. You might remember that name. It's sort 1069 00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,680 Speaker 1: of in those hazy days of the early Trump administration 1070 00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:06,400 Speaker 1: when the Russia collusion narrative was in full blast and 1071 00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:09,280 Speaker 1: there was just frenzied media coverage from wall to wall. 1072 00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:13,320 Speaker 1: Hamilton sixty eight was a dashboard that was a project 1073 00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:17,880 Speaker 1: of the Alliance for Securing Democracy, which is of itself 1074 00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:21,160 Speaker 1: a project of the German Marshall Fund. Hamilton sixty eight 1075 00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:25,160 Speaker 1: was created by Clint Watts. He's an MSNBC and NBC 1076 00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:28,120 Speaker 1: News contributor. You'll be shocked to learn he also happens 1077 00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:31,439 Speaker 1: to be a former FBI special agent who has still 1078 00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,160 Speaker 1: consulted with the FBI. I don't know how recently, but 1079 00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:36,360 Speaker 1: he has consulted with the FBI in the past, and 1080 00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:41,720 Speaker 1: of course he's an ex FBI special agent. Twitter disproved 1081 00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:45,880 Speaker 1: the results of the Hamilton sixty eight dashboard in October 1082 00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:50,440 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. According to emails that Matt uncovered when he 1083 00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,280 Speaker 1: was digging through the Twitter files, Hamilton sixty eight would 1084 00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:56,480 Speaker 1: not make public as I reported in the Federalists here, 1085 00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:59,560 Speaker 1: They just would not make public their data. They went 1086 00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,400 Speaker 1: to the MET and said trust us, They went to 1087 00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:05,320 Speaker 1: think tanks, they went to elite universities and said trust us. 1088 00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:08,520 Speaker 1: This data is real and it shows that Russian bots 1089 00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,680 Speaker 1: are pushing all of these fake trends on Twitter, and 1090 00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:14,320 Speaker 1: Twitter is allowing it to happen. It was just a 1091 00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:19,120 Speaker 1: total panic. But of course, again journalists took the bait. 1092 00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:23,440 Speaker 1: They took the bait. Elite universities my alma Manter, Sager's 1093 00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:27,360 Speaker 1: alma Monter, GW and NYU, Harvard and Princeton, they all 1094 00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:32,240 Speaker 1: boosted junk science that Hamilton's sixty eight was promoting. And 1095 00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:35,520 Speaker 1: Twitter realized back in October of twenty seventeen. Yolol Roth 1096 00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:40,760 Speaker 1: himself is the one who reverse engineered Hamilton's sixty eighth 1097 00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:44,520 Speaker 1: methodology and came up with the full list of alleged 1098 00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:47,840 Speaker 1: Russian bots they said were wreaking havoc on Twitter, and 1099 00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:51,120 Speaker 1: we're evidence. They used this of evidence of Russia collusion 1100 00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,120 Speaker 1: and the hoax, and it was built into was basically 1101 00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,120 Speaker 1: use so much that it was baked into the broader 1102 00:59:56,160 --> 01:00:00,600 Speaker 1: media coverage of the Russia collusion saga. They knew that 1103 01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,040 Speaker 1: this was Most of the people on this list were 1104 01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:06,800 Speaker 1: neither Russian nor bots. They were for the most part, 1105 01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:09,360 Speaker 1: just regular Americans. There were some accounts like RT and 1106 01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:12,640 Speaker 1: Sputnik that were Russian, but for the most part it 1107 01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:15,200 Speaker 1: was regular people. And by the way, some anti establishment 1108 01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,560 Speaker 1: leftists got caught up in all this being called Russian bots. 1109 01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:22,720 Speaker 1: Twitter knew that. Hamilton's sixty eight knew that, and Clint 1110 01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:25,400 Speaker 1: Watts goes out and talks about this on MSNBC, and 1111 01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:29,280 Speaker 1: MSNBC lets him, NBC lets him. Every major news network 1112 01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:34,560 Speaker 1: basically had stories on this. It's incredible how much coverage 1113 01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:37,320 Speaker 1: Hamilton sixty eight got and it was based on junk science. 1114 01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:39,360 Speaker 1: There was no reason for it to ever get any 1115 01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:43,480 Speaker 1: coverage because it was always dubious. The fact that they 1116 01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,760 Speaker 1: wouldn't reveal what the accounts were for the excuse that, well, 1117 01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:49,520 Speaker 1: if they did that, Russia would automatically take the accounts down. 1118 01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:53,040 Speaker 1: Isn't that your goal? Isn't that your goal? They used 1119 01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,720 Speaker 1: it as a cudgel against Twitter. They're trying to attract 1120 01:00:56,280 --> 01:01:00,880 Speaker 1: attack Twitter and Facebook, and Twitter, by the way, let 1121 01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:03,000 Speaker 1: it go on. They let it go on despite knowing 1122 01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:05,920 Speaker 1: in October of twenty seventeen that they had reverse engineered 1123 01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:07,800 Speaker 1: at yell ross shared at Google doc. If you look 1124 01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:11,320 Speaker 1: at the emails Matt polled that reverse engineered, it showed 1125 01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:13,000 Speaker 1: that it was all BS. Ever, and at Twitter you 1126 01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:15,760 Speaker 1: can see in these emails from Matt's report knows that 1127 01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,920 Speaker 1: it's BS. They're talking about it. They're frustrated that they 1128 01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:22,520 Speaker 1: aren't going public with the information you all raw. It 1129 01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:25,560 Speaker 1: just suggests at one point giving Hamilton sixty eight an 1130 01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:28,600 Speaker 1: ultimatum saying, either you publish the list or we do. 1131 01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:31,640 Speaker 1: But they never told Hamilton sixty eight or the media 1132 01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:34,760 Speaker 1: publicly that they had the list. When Dianne Feinstein and 1133 01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:37,640 Speaker 1: Adam Schiff asked Twitter, they sent a letter to Twitter 1134 01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:41,640 Speaker 1: and Facebook saying, you have to start investigating these Russian bots. 1135 01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:44,520 Speaker 1: This Hamilton sixty eight. They found so much body activity, 1136 01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:47,440 Speaker 1: you have to start investigating it. Twitter responded in a 1137 01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:50,120 Speaker 1: letter saying, you know, we don't have the list. It's 1138 01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:52,320 Speaker 1: not public. The list isn't public, so we can't do 1139 01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:55,680 Speaker 1: anything about this. That raises questions about whether Twitter was 1140 01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:59,040 Speaker 1: briefing people in private, because the emails show that their 1141 01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:02,840 Speaker 1: communications people were briefing people in private. They said reporters 1142 01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:05,720 Speaker 1: were chafing at the information that they were sharing about 1143 01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:08,080 Speaker 1: Hamilton sixty eight not being true, but they had to 1144 01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:11,720 Speaker 1: be careful until Twitter said something publicly without revealing the 1145 01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:13,600 Speaker 1: extent of what they really knew, which is that all 1146 01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:16,840 Speaker 1: of this was nonsense. Their employees were internally debating all 1147 01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:19,560 Speaker 1: of that I mean, it's just these Russia collusion stories. 1148 01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:23,680 Speaker 1: I always hesitate to continue covering them. Not that I wouldn't, 1149 01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:25,160 Speaker 1: but every time I'm was just like, do we have 1150 01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:27,560 Speaker 1: to go through this again? Because they're so convoluted and 1151 01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:31,560 Speaker 1: some of them are really inaccessible, because it's just like 1152 01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:34,160 Speaker 1: you have to remember so many different details about this 1153 01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:37,680 Speaker 1: elaborate conspiracy theory. But in this case, it's so simple. 1154 01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:41,960 Speaker 1: They're really following the Hoover playbook, right, Create junk science 1155 01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:45,960 Speaker 1: and I get hiss x FBI. But create junk science, 1156 01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:50,480 Speaker 1: tease it to the press, create junk story, a false story, 1157 01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:53,240 Speaker 1: tease it to the press, and just let them go 1158 01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:55,640 Speaker 1: wild with it. And in certain cases in the past, 1159 01:02:56,200 --> 01:03:00,520 Speaker 1: for instance MLKA wiretaps, whether you belie those are real 1160 01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:03,360 Speaker 1: or not, journalists didn't run with them. Whether you believe 1161 01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:05,200 Speaker 1: the results of those are real or not, I should say, 1162 01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,000 Speaker 1: obviously we know the wiretaps are real, but what we 1163 01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:11,080 Speaker 1: the FBI says they obtained from them, journalists resisted publishing. 1164 01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:15,160 Speaker 1: There was a famous case where it was Howard Hunt. 1165 01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:18,080 Speaker 1: It's in his memoir American Spy talks about how Chuck 1166 01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:24,640 Speaker 1: Colson had him forge cables about JFK and Vietnam, and 1167 01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:26,880 Speaker 1: they tried to get him in Life magazine, and Life 1168 01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:29,880 Speaker 1: Magazine wouldn't publish it because they couldn't prove that the 1169 01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:33,919 Speaker 1: cables were authentic. Why did no journalists try to prove 1170 01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:36,640 Speaker 1: that the Hamilton sixty eight data was authentic. They just 1171 01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:39,120 Speaker 1: went and took the word of all of these ex 1172 01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:42,320 Speaker 1: intelligence people who had access to grind against the political 1173 01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:47,000 Speaker 1: enemy that were completely obvious, and that is completely pathetic. 1174 01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:49,960 Speaker 1: It's just another really sad statement on where we are 1175 01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:52,320 Speaker 1: right now as a country that you have this pan 1176 01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:57,360 Speaker 1: institutional rot. Academia falls for it, journalists, journalists fall for it, 1177 01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:02,560 Speaker 1: and the intelligence community because the German Marshall Fund and 1178 01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:06,400 Speaker 1: the Alliance for Security Democracy are stocked with ex Intel people, 1179 01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:10,440 Speaker 1: with ex State Department people, with government officials, all of 1180 01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:14,960 Speaker 1: these people who supported this Hamilton's sixty eight work despite 1181 01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:18,320 Speaker 1: never being able to see these accounts that were implicated Tayibi. 1182 01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:20,400 Speaker 1: We have a graphic here of all the media coverage 1183 01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:22,960 Speaker 1: that generated. Look at that. That doesn't even encapsulate the 1184 01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:26,160 Speaker 1: full scope of it, doesn't encapsulate all the cable news segments. 1185 01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,600 Speaker 1: It was so baked into the cake of Russia collusion 1186 01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:30,240 Speaker 1: that you can't separate the two. It was one of 1187 01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:34,760 Speaker 1: the big pieces of evidence that Russia was hacking our elections. 1188 01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:40,320 Speaker 1: So again, this is not Historically, there's some precedent for 1189 01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:44,600 Speaker 1: the intelligence community acting in this completely reprehensible way. Now 1190 01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:47,720 Speaker 1: we don't know that Watts was consulting for the FBI 1191 01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:50,200 Speaker 1: with any of this, there's no evidence to suggest that, 1192 01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:52,800 Speaker 1: but we know that he is former FBI, a former consultant, 1193 01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:55,840 Speaker 1: and former special agent. This is straight out of a 1194 01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:59,520 Speaker 1: playbook that has happened before. And you'd think, given the 1195 01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:03,120 Speaker 1: shame with which we look back now on that era 1196 01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:06,560 Speaker 1: in American history and some of what happened during that 1197 01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:09,440 Speaker 1: American era in American history, that the media would maybe 1198 01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:12,800 Speaker 1: have some basic journalistic standards and check this shit out 1199 01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:15,560 Speaker 1: with before running it. But of course that's not what happened. 1200 01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:20,000 Speaker 1: Ryan the fourth estate. In the absence of a fourth 1201 01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:22,080 Speaker 1: estate that's going to check this stuff out before running 1202 01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:29,280 Speaker 1: with it, the FBI can get away with anything. What's 1203 01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:33,080 Speaker 1: what's your point today? Some people say that's overly hostile. 1204 01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:35,640 Speaker 1: I think it works. Yes, I don't really have a point. 1205 01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:37,680 Speaker 1: I'm more just because I was I was on the road, 1206 01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:41,680 Speaker 1: so I didn't really write anything sophisticated this week, just 1207 01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:44,400 Speaker 1: just got back, but I did want to talk about 1208 01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:49,560 Speaker 1: the situation of Haiti and elevate some really, really incredible 1209 01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:52,040 Speaker 1: reporting done by the Associated Press. If we could put 1210 01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:56,400 Speaker 1: this first one up here and let me pull this 1211 01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:58,720 Speaker 1: up since I don't have my glasses on. But so 1212 01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:02,480 Speaker 1: the AP center quarter around with a guy named Barbecue. 1213 01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:05,320 Speaker 1: If you guys haven't followed this clothes, that's Jimmy Chevalier, 1214 01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:11,120 Speaker 1: Jimmy Sharazier, who is one of the leading gang leaders 1215 01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:14,919 Speaker 1: at this point in Haiti. And just to back people 1216 01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:17,400 Speaker 1: up who haven't been following this, but I think a 1217 01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:21,800 Speaker 1: lot of our viewers have been. The former Haitian president, 1218 01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:26,360 Speaker 1: Jovenil Moyes was assassinated in what was at the summer 1219 01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:30,760 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty one, and it appears that the current 1220 01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:35,360 Speaker 1: Prime Minister Arilnrie was involved in that assassination. We know 1221 01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:39,480 Speaker 1: for a fact that Henri was had a number of 1222 01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:43,000 Speaker 1: phone calls with people involved with the assassination right around 1223 01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:47,520 Speaker 1: the time of the assassination. We also know that in 1224 01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:52,680 Speaker 1: a power struggle that ensued afterwards, he only became Prime 1225 01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:56,480 Speaker 1: Minister officially because the United States and five other countries 1226 01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:59,200 Speaker 1: put out a press release saying that we recognize Ariel 1227 01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:02,880 Speaker 1: Honrie the Prime minister. That is literally how he became 1228 01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:07,520 Speaker 1: the de facto prime minister. Now, in January, the final 1229 01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:12,240 Speaker 1: terms of the remaining Haitian senators expired. That was the 1230 01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:15,600 Speaker 1: last and the Haitian Senate doesn't have a whole lot 1231 01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:18,760 Speaker 1: of power anyway, but that was the last bastion of 1232 01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:24,760 Speaker 1: any body in Haiti that had any connection to the 1233 01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:29,680 Speaker 1: citizenship to being democratically put into place. So all you 1234 01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:33,480 Speaker 1: have left is Arilnrie, who was not elected and it 1235 01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:37,360 Speaker 1: was basically just appointed to this role by the United States, 1236 01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:42,240 Speaker 1: and after evidence of his complicity in the assassination of 1237 01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:44,840 Speaker 1: the president came about, and underneath him kind of a 1238 01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:48,640 Speaker 1: skeleton government. And so what's happening now, and that's where 1239 01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:51,200 Speaker 1: this ap story comes in. What's happening now is that 1240 01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:56,560 Speaker 1: so called gangs are taking over basically all of the 1241 01:07:56,600 --> 01:08:01,200 Speaker 1: country and moving into places where that that previously had 1242 01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:05,320 Speaker 1: been safe. And I say so called gangs because they're 1243 01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:09,160 Speaker 1: actually now looking to rebrand themselves. And we have a 1244 01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:14,360 Speaker 1: couple of great quotes that that Barbecue Sharazier gave to 1245 01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:19,840 Speaker 1: the gave to the Associated Press reporter here. Well, one 1246 01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:24,160 Speaker 1: of them actually comes from one of his bodyguards who 1247 01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:26,360 Speaker 1: says to kind of a video editor that was going 1248 01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:29,720 Speaker 1: along with the AP reporters. She said, he said to her, 1249 01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:32,960 Speaker 1: we're not the bad bad guys. We're just the bad guys. 1250 01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:36,680 Speaker 1: So that's there. That's how they're easing into this. But 1251 01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:40,519 Speaker 1: here's here's Sharazier describing himself as a quote revolutionary. He says, 1252 01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:43,040 Speaker 1: I'm not a thief, I'm not involved in kidnapping, I'm 1253 01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:45,599 Speaker 1: not a rapist. I'm just carrying out a social fight. 1254 01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:49,800 Speaker 1: He says, I'm a threat to the system. So what 1255 01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:53,760 Speaker 1: Sharazier did several months ago is that when ariel on 1256 01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:57,919 Speaker 1: Re under pressure from the United States and others, removed 1257 01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:01,719 Speaker 1: subsidies from gas prices, jacking up the price of gas 1258 01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:04,519 Speaker 1: and everything else on the Haitian Island, shiraz organized a 1259 01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:08,759 Speaker 1: blockade for two months of gas coming into the into 1260 01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:12,439 Speaker 1: the island and and since then has kind of saying 1261 01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:14,760 Speaker 1: that he was protest protesting, and you and you had 1262 01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:18,720 Speaker 1: genuine outrage in the streets people protesting. Since then, he 1263 01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:23,719 Speaker 1: has expanded his control and you know what you're seeing 1264 01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:30,439 Speaker 1: now is this kind of people theoretically talk about state 1265 01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:36,479 Speaker 1: formation as being the gangs who won a monopoly on 1266 01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:41,360 Speaker 1: violence eventually implementing a state like there if you talk 1267 01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:44,280 Speaker 1: about you know, state craft and the creation of governments 1268 01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:46,679 Speaker 1: like that, that's this one theory that people kick around, 1269 01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:49,040 Speaker 1: like where did governments come from? Well, they came from 1270 01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:52,080 Speaker 1: people who had power and took power violently and then 1271 01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:55,400 Speaker 1: had a monopoly on that violence, and then they and 1272 01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:59,280 Speaker 1: then they went through and produced some mechanisms by which 1273 01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:02,280 Speaker 1: they would continue to rule with the consent of the 1274 01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:07,800 Speaker 1: government rather than strictly through violence. And so Henri does 1275 01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:10,759 Speaker 1: not want that process to unfold. Of course, he's asking 1276 01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:17,120 Speaker 1: for the UN to authorize some type of invasion, armed invasion. 1277 01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:20,720 Speaker 1: So far, none of the kind of western countries have 1278 01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:25,240 Speaker 1: taken up his invitation yet to invade, although there's been 1279 01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:30,720 Speaker 1: so many invasions of Haiti over the years. So as 1280 01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:36,800 Speaker 1: of now, the question is how long will the rest 1281 01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:40,200 Speaker 1: of the world kind of allow Haitians to actually sort 1282 01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:44,800 Speaker 1: this out themselves or are we just going to let 1283 01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:49,800 Speaker 1: it fester and then invade the country. We're joined now 1284 01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:52,360 Speaker 1: by Todd Benzman, his new book out February twenty first 1285 01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:55,400 Speaker 1: is called Overrun, How Joe Biden unleashed the greatest border 1286 01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:58,639 Speaker 1: crisis in US history. He's also a senior national security 1287 01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:01,320 Speaker 1: Fellow at the Conservative Center for him Greation Studies. Todd, 1288 01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:04,840 Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining us. Great to be here. 1289 01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:08,720 Speaker 1: Thank you absolutely. You wrote a newsweek op ed that 1290 01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:10,360 Speaker 1: I think we can get into, and Ryan might even 1291 01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:13,120 Speaker 1: have some points of debate to bring up last week 1292 01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:15,439 Speaker 1: called I liked the title of it too. It was 1293 01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:17,920 Speaker 1: basically I think it was called Joe Biden's magic trick. 1294 01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:20,599 Speaker 1: You right, and the American public will indeed see sharp 1295 01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:26,439 Speaker 1: declines in the monthly illegal apprehension statistics following Biden's new 1296 01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:29,120 Speaker 1: moves on the border, starting with the January report which 1297 01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:31,360 Speaker 1: comes out next month, and the Biden administration will tut 1298 01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:34,720 Speaker 1: these is evidence of vastly improved border security thanks to 1299 01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:38,400 Speaker 1: new quote enforcement system that it had just expanded. But 1300 01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:41,040 Speaker 1: this claim of enforcement success is founded on a purposeful 1301 01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:45,040 Speaker 1: accounting cheat. The illusion would impress Harry Houdini, So Todd 1302 01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:48,360 Speaker 1: tell us what the accounting cheat is. In this case, 1303 01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:54,799 Speaker 1: the Biden administration has really shifted gears on its border 1304 01:11:54,840 --> 01:12:01,160 Speaker 1: policy in January by creating us the cornerstone, the new 1305 01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:05,679 Speaker 1: cornerstone of its policy to start diverting people who were 1306 01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:11,520 Speaker 1: going to be crossing illegally into a sort of quasi 1307 01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:18,400 Speaker 1: legalized system where they are being granted humanitarian parole, which 1308 01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:21,320 Speaker 1: is an authority that doesn't exist the way they're using 1309 01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:25,040 Speaker 1: it on the Mexican side and south of the border, 1310 01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:29,640 Speaker 1: where thousands and hundreds of thousands of people will be 1311 01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:34,480 Speaker 1: given these permission slips on that side and then transported 1312 01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:38,880 Speaker 1: into the United States across ports of entry by land 1313 01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:43,320 Speaker 1: and also by air, flying from airport to airport by 1314 01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:49,280 Speaker 1: the hundreds of thousands each year. And what this will 1315 01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:53,120 Speaker 1: do is it will have the effect of reducing the 1316 01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:58,680 Speaker 1: terrible optics of apprehensions illegal apprehensions at the border, but 1317 01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:02,439 Speaker 1: it will do nothing to prevent all of these foreign 1318 01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:06,680 Speaker 1: nationals from still entering the country and becoming illegal in 1319 01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:09,360 Speaker 1: about a year or two. So they're all going to 1320 01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:14,600 Speaker 1: still be here. They're just moving them from one accounting 1321 01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:18,240 Speaker 1: column to a different accounting column which is not even public. 1322 01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:22,639 Speaker 1: And also these people will be moved through ports of entrigue, 1323 01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:26,519 Speaker 1: which are inside buildings, so you can't fly Fox News 1324 01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:30,000 Speaker 1: drones over it and see thousands and thousands of people, 1325 01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:32,800 Speaker 1: and you won't be able to look it up in 1326 01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:37,080 Speaker 1: the CBP website to see what the numbers are. We 1327 01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:40,400 Speaker 1: still haven't figured out how they're going to produce those 1328 01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:43,519 Speaker 1: statistics of how many people are they're letting in this way. 1329 01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:47,880 Speaker 1: So if we can increase the amount of transparency involved 1330 01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:50,439 Speaker 1: in this process, and if we can we can write 1331 01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:56,240 Speaker 1: legal guidelines around it through through Congress or through whatever 1332 01:13:56,280 --> 01:14:00,400 Speaker 1: other executive means that you would find appropriate, would you 1333 01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:04,680 Speaker 1: then find yourself saying that, Okay, this is better than 1334 01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:11,480 Speaker 1: the current system. Well, for one thing, the legal admission 1335 01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:15,919 Speaker 1: systems that are in place now, the visas, the student visas, 1336 01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:22,400 Speaker 1: the immigration applications, and all of the legal ways to 1337 01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:27,519 Speaker 1: enter the country have been approved duly by Congress. This 1338 01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:32,800 Speaker 1: is an admission program that they've created outside of Congress 1339 01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:37,040 Speaker 1: with no approval whatsoever. They've kind of cobbled this together 1340 01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:43,360 Speaker 1: without the approval of the American people, so that over 1341 01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:45,639 Speaker 1: the next couple of years you may very well have 1342 01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:49,040 Speaker 1: you know, a couple million more people enter the country 1343 01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:54,080 Speaker 1: this way outside of an approved system. Now, if Congress 1344 01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:56,760 Speaker 1: came back and approved it, then you know, who is 1345 01:14:56,800 --> 01:15:00,080 Speaker 1: anybody to complain about it? But Congress has not to 1346 01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:06,559 Speaker 1: prove this system, and they're using an authority known as 1347 01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:11,280 Speaker 1: humanitarian parole. Remember that humanitarian parole. It's going to be 1348 01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:16,280 Speaker 1: important in the next months. Humanitarian parole is in the 1349 01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:22,639 Speaker 1: ISNA for a case by case somebody's wounded or hurt 1350 01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:25,760 Speaker 1: and climbing up the riverbank or whatever it may be, 1351 01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:29,080 Speaker 1: and we're going to let that one person in to 1352 01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:31,960 Speaker 1: get medical treatment and then send them back when it's over. 1353 01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:37,040 Speaker 1: And what they're doing is applying this one off, case 1354 01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:40,519 Speaker 1: by case thing to hundreds of thousands of people at 1355 01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:44,720 Speaker 1: a time. There's litigation. Now twenty different states, most of 1356 01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:49,840 Speaker 1: them are Republican states, have sued saying that you're misusing 1357 01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:53,960 Speaker 1: this authority, and it's probably going to win because they 1358 01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:57,599 Speaker 1: put it in the Fifth Circuit Court, the Fifth Circuit 1359 01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:01,000 Speaker 1: Court of Appeals, which is a conservative court, and then 1360 01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:03,400 Speaker 1: it'll go to the Supreme Court at some point. But 1361 01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:07,040 Speaker 1: all of this is outside of any kind of normal 1362 01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:12,719 Speaker 1: admissions program in the United States. And Ryan's point is 1363 01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:16,120 Speaker 1: a good and interesting one. Todd because Biden has recently 1364 01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:20,479 Speaker 1: started sending, for instance, Cubans back because there's so many 1365 01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:24,320 Speaker 1: Cubans who are fleeing up through Central America and into Mexico. 1366 01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:29,120 Speaker 1: And that is like the asylum system. If there is 1367 01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:33,439 Speaker 1: a humane asylum system in the United States, my goodness. 1368 01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:36,120 Speaker 1: I mean, some of these people from Cuba and Venezuela 1369 01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:38,280 Speaker 1: should not be getting sent back. But we don't have 1370 01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:41,200 Speaker 1: a humane asylum system. We don't have a logical, sensical, 1371 01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:45,000 Speaker 1: coherent asylum system because the system is clogged up by 1372 01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:47,559 Speaker 1: so many of these different places, the humanitarian parole while 1373 01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:50,599 Speaker 1: people their asylum cases penned. And one thing I want 1374 01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:52,320 Speaker 1: to ask you about Todd is you do you have 1375 01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:56,240 Speaker 1: done a lot of like wrenching, vivid reporting from Central 1376 01:16:56,240 --> 01:17:00,519 Speaker 1: America on things like the Darien Gap, and these numbers 1377 01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:02,600 Speaker 1: under Biden are different. You know, we have seen a 1378 01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:05,120 Speaker 1: steady uptick over the course of a really long time, 1379 01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:08,519 Speaker 1: but what we're seeing now just flatly pales. The restles 1380 01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:11,559 Speaker 1: stuff pales into comparison to what we're seeing now. So 1381 01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:15,679 Speaker 1: as somebody who's been down that's sort of the road 1382 01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:19,360 Speaker 1: that the super highway that goes up through the c 1383 01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:23,519 Speaker 1: the Darian Gaps, the Panama Canal and into Mexico and 1384 01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:27,560 Speaker 1: then into places like Alpaso and Brownsville. What is happening 1385 01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:31,760 Speaker 1: down south, further down south, and then further down south 1386 01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:33,840 Speaker 1: from that, and then further done south from that. What 1387 01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:39,280 Speaker 1: is bringing people up right now in these big numbers. Right, So, 1388 01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:42,080 Speaker 1: when you talk to the immigrants, as I frequently do, 1389 01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:45,000 Speaker 1: you know, and you ask them, you know, why are 1390 01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:48,560 Speaker 1: you coming, what they'll tell you is all of my 1391 01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:51,920 Speaker 1: relatives got let in when they showed up at the border. 1392 01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:54,400 Speaker 1: All of my friends got in, and they sent us 1393 01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:58,360 Speaker 1: the selfias and they're like this, and you know, when 1394 01:17:58,439 --> 01:18:02,360 Speaker 1: we are seeing all of our friends and neighbors get across, 1395 01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:06,479 Speaker 1: we're borrowing our money, selling everything we own, and paying 1396 01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:09,240 Speaker 1: the smugglers to go over to why not they're letting 1397 01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:13,519 Speaker 1: us in. That really is the snowball effect that has 1398 01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:18,000 Speaker 1: led to this avalanche of a historic migration crisis. We've 1399 01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:20,559 Speaker 1: never seen any kind of numbers like this, not even close, 1400 01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:25,240 Speaker 1: in the history of the United States. And it's really 1401 01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:29,760 Speaker 1: not a very complicated calculus. When you talk to them, 1402 01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:32,240 Speaker 1: they're like, everybody I know got in, so we're getting 1403 01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:37,320 Speaker 1: into Well, to complicate it just a little bit, let's 1404 01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:40,800 Speaker 1: you don't see and you know, back in the what 1405 01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:45,120 Speaker 1: nineteenth century and also then in the nineteen sixties again, 1406 01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:49,639 Speaker 1: when Democrats did immigration reform, then there was a bipart 1407 01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:51,960 Speaker 1: as an immigration reform. Sure you know this story that 1408 01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:54,360 Speaker 1: you know, they expected that there would then be this 1409 01:18:54,479 --> 01:18:58,200 Speaker 1: flood of immigration from Europe into the United States and 1410 01:18:58,240 --> 01:19:00,160 Speaker 1: a lot of the kind of racist lawmakers were and 1411 01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:03,599 Speaker 1: frustrated that actually instead a lot of these quotas were 1412 01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:07,160 Speaker 1: made up by people coming from Third world countries over 1413 01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:09,760 Speaker 1: over to the United States. And so to complicate the 1414 01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:13,479 Speaker 1: point a little bit, people don't, I think, want to 1415 01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:16,920 Speaker 1: uproot their entire lives. You know, people have a sense 1416 01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:20,439 Speaker 1: of connection to place. Place. Place matters to people. You know, 1417 01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:23,000 Speaker 1: their their you know their their their mother and father 1418 01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:25,800 Speaker 1: live there, their grandparents live there, their great grandparents live there. 1419 01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:28,840 Speaker 1: You have to be driven, uh, you know, to some 1420 01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:32,320 Speaker 1: type of desperation to want to to want to leave 1421 01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:33,960 Speaker 1: from the place where you are from to go to 1422 01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:36,880 Speaker 1: another place where you don't even speak the language. Now 1423 01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:45,040 Speaker 1: I I I suspect you probably would even agree with that, right. Well, yeah, 1424 01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:48,040 Speaker 1: there's really no place like the United States. It's a 1425 01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:53,280 Speaker 1: storied land. Uh, it's got a reputation that precedes it 1426 01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:56,680 Speaker 1: as a land of milk and honey. Most of the 1427 01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:59,840 Speaker 1: people that are crossing in are getting you know, a 1428 01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:05,479 Speaker 1: media assistance. Nobody's starving or going hungry. Everybody's taken care of. 1429 01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:09,680 Speaker 1: Everybody's getting on on the rolls. You know, they're in 1430 01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:12,800 Speaker 1: four star hotels in New York. So now everybody wants 1431 01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:14,479 Speaker 1: to go to New York and they send that home. 1432 01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:17,120 Speaker 1: And it is true that, you know, a lot of 1433 01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:23,920 Speaker 1: these countries are less livable than the United States. You know, 1434 01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:28,160 Speaker 1: I certainly can empathize with anybody who wants to upgrade 1435 01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:33,200 Speaker 1: their lifestyle. But most of the for example, Venezuelans who 1436 01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:36,720 Speaker 1: are coming in right now are not living in Venezuela 1437 01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:40,200 Speaker 1: and haven't for many years. They've been living in relative 1438 01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:47,200 Speaker 1: safety and prosperity in seventeen different Latin American countries. Colombia 1439 01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:49,240 Speaker 1: has the largest share of them, and they've been there 1440 01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:53,439 Speaker 1: for years and years, and they decided not to go 1441 01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:57,680 Speaker 1: during the Trump administration because if you lay down ten 1442 01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:02,080 Speaker 1: thousand dollars to cross the US border under Trump, you 1443 01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:05,960 Speaker 1: would end up back in Mexico with no return on 1444 01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:10,919 Speaker 1: your investment. But under the Biden administration, they were happily 1445 01:21:11,080 --> 01:21:14,880 Speaker 1: ensconced in these other countries and they saw that the 1446 01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:18,040 Speaker 1: that there was a chance to upgrade, to move up 1447 01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:22,240 Speaker 1: a few notches and live with relatives, or just have 1448 01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:26,639 Speaker 1: a better shot at prosperity. And so that's why they came. 1449 01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:31,080 Speaker 1: Most of the Haitians. It's the same thing with most 1450 01:21:31,080 --> 01:21:33,240 Speaker 1: of the Haitians. None of them were living in Haiti. 1451 01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:37,120 Speaker 1: I was in Chilean. I was just gonna say, Todd, 1452 01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:39,799 Speaker 1: you just use a really important phrase, a better shot. 1453 01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:43,000 Speaker 1: I remember in Monta Moros talking to a group of 1454 01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:47,520 Speaker 1: Haitians who would freely say we weren't in like necessarily 1455 01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:50,600 Speaker 1: dire straits. The economy had gotten bad in Brazil or 1456 01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:54,160 Speaker 1: Argentina or whatever. They would say that, but they said, 1457 01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:56,120 Speaker 1: this is like sticks with me. It was very poignant. 1458 01:21:56,120 --> 01:21:59,200 Speaker 1: They said, we want. They were trying to sort of 1459 01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:03,120 Speaker 1: talk and and translate their Spanish, translate their French, I 1460 01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:06,679 Speaker 1: should say, into Spanish and then into English. But I 1461 01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:08,479 Speaker 1: always like filled in their sentence. At one point I 1462 01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:10,479 Speaker 1: was like, you're trying to say the American dream, and 1463 01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:13,439 Speaker 1: they just were like, yes, the American dream. We want 1464 01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:17,679 Speaker 1: the American dream. And on that note, we were talking 1465 01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:19,639 Speaker 1: earlier the show about the news that four more people 1466 01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:23,639 Speaker 1: have been charged in the assassination attempt against now deceased 1467 01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:26,200 Speaker 1: because he was assassinated a former president of Haiti, Jobnel 1468 01:22:26,280 --> 01:22:29,840 Speaker 1: Luiz and Todd. Haiti has played a really big role 1469 01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:34,439 Speaker 1: in this recent wave, this mass of human suffering, where 1470 01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:38,040 Speaker 1: as you've reported, people are dying crossing through the Darien Gap, 1471 01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:41,960 Speaker 1: They're being threatened, they're being abused by cartels who are profiting, 1472 01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:44,240 Speaker 1: you know, in the to the tune of millions and 1473 01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:47,920 Speaker 1: millions of dollars every single year because of this. What 1474 01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:54,240 Speaker 1: role has has Haiti played, particularly the situation in Haiti 1475 01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:56,760 Speaker 1: since twenty ten, as people have gone to different parts 1476 01:22:56,760 --> 01:23:01,360 Speaker 1: of Latin America. What is unique about the Haitian situation 1477 01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:07,679 Speaker 1: during this last several years, as we've seen big peaks. Sure, 1478 01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:11,040 Speaker 1: Haiti is a terrible place to live. I don't blame 1479 01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:17,360 Speaker 1: anybody for trying to flee that country. It's simply unlivable Haiti. 1480 01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:22,760 Speaker 1: Having said that, the vast majority of the Haitians that 1481 01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:27,200 Speaker 1: managed to leave were living in all of these other 1482 01:23:27,240 --> 01:23:32,960 Speaker 1: countries for years in relative prosperity. Just like you said, 1483 01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:40,000 Speaker 1: they had a shot briefly in twenty twenty one at 1484 01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:43,520 Speaker 1: national elections they were going to have they were scheduled 1485 01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:47,479 Speaker 1: for November seventh, the first round, they were finally going 1486 01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:49,559 Speaker 1: to be able to elect a parliament, they haven't had 1487 01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:52,040 Speaker 1: a parliament in years, and then they were going to 1488 01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:55,280 Speaker 1: get a chance to elect a president. And then we 1489 01:23:55,360 --> 01:24:01,240 Speaker 1: had the Haitian encampment crisis in Rio under the bridge, 1490 01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:05,880 Speaker 1: fifteen thousand Haitians down there. And it gets a little 1491 01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:09,600 Speaker 1: bit complicated here about what happened was the Biden administration 1492 01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:12,360 Speaker 1: felt like it had to shut down that camp. It 1493 01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:15,400 Speaker 1: was really too big of an iore and they said 1494 01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:19,960 Speaker 1: about deporting people from that camp, not back to Chile 1495 01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:24,879 Speaker 1: where they've been living happily for years, but to actual 1496 01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:31,000 Speaker 1: Haiti itself. They rioted. But when the Biden administration did that, 1497 01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:34,200 Speaker 1: they needed a leader there who would be willing to 1498 01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:38,440 Speaker 1: accept them at the tarmac. And so the Biden administration 1499 01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:45,000 Speaker 1: ordered that Haiti canceled its elections and they bestowed dictatorship 1500 01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:53,000 Speaker 1: on this guy Ariel and robbed Haiti completely of its democracy. 1501 01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:58,000 Speaker 1: It's one shot of democracy, canceled both elections, and that 1502 01:24:58,040 --> 01:25:01,519 Speaker 1: guy still running the country to this day. And as 1503 01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:06,160 Speaker 1: Ryan has to get rid of a camp that was 1504 01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:09,160 Speaker 1: a political problem for the right terms right, and the 1505 01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:13,679 Speaker 1: void of Haiti resigned in protests over that very decision. 1506 01:25:14,120 --> 01:25:17,439 Speaker 1: So then what would be so wrong with if implement 1507 01:25:17,439 --> 01:25:21,880 Speaker 1: instead going back and implementing this new policy, this humanitarian relief. 1508 01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:25,280 Speaker 1: You got this big camp. Okay, sit down, interview people, 1509 01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:28,840 Speaker 1: process them, move them, move them through the system. So 1510 01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:33,760 Speaker 1: you know, if Congress could agree on it, well that's 1511 01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:35,640 Speaker 1: the thing. Congress isn't going to agree on it. So 1512 01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:38,360 Speaker 1: we the three of us, can try to agree on 1513 01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:40,720 Speaker 1: something here. I mean, let's take let's take a look 1514 01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:44,639 Speaker 1: at it from a broader perspective. Since nineteen fifty or so, right, 1515 01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:48,839 Speaker 1: the US birth rate has been on a very steady decline. 1516 01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:51,360 Speaker 1: And I think the twenty first century is really going 1517 01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:54,559 Speaker 1: to be marked by eventually when people get around to it, 1518 01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:59,360 Speaker 1: a competition for immigrants, a competition for people in the West, 1519 01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:01,759 Speaker 1: I think, all over the world, all over the world, 1520 01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:04,559 Speaker 1: because you're you're you're seeing declining birth rates, you know, 1521 01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:07,760 Speaker 1: you know, essentially everywhere everywhere that starts to develop even 1522 01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:11,120 Speaker 1: a little bit, you start to see birth birth rates decline. 1523 01:26:11,240 --> 01:26:14,160 Speaker 1: And if you're going to have you know, and I'm 1524 01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:16,880 Speaker 1: biased here, I'm going to be old pretty soon. And 1525 01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:20,400 Speaker 1: if you have a top heavy elderly population without enough 1526 01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:23,439 Speaker 1: young people to grow that economy to do the work 1527 01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:26,400 Speaker 1: that the old people can no longer, do countries collapse? 1528 01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:29,240 Speaker 1: So why shouldn't we be worried about that? Why shouldn't 1529 01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:32,000 Speaker 1: we look back at what's happened, you know, throughout American 1530 01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:35,040 Speaker 1: history and seeing the contributions that immigrants have made and say, 1531 01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:37,080 Speaker 1: you know what, all right, if the Biden administration is 1532 01:26:37,080 --> 01:26:40,800 Speaker 1: figuring out a better system, that's that's shutting out the cartels, 1533 01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:45,639 Speaker 1: let's do that. Well. I think you make a good point, 1534 01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:49,479 Speaker 1: and I think that there's a definite Those issues that 1535 01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:54,240 Speaker 1: you raise about are declining birth rate, those are perfectly debatable. 1536 01:26:54,360 --> 01:26:57,320 Speaker 1: They're worthy of debate as a matter of public policy. 1537 01:26:58,080 --> 01:27:00,880 Speaker 1: The issue that I am a lot of people have 1538 01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:06,680 Speaker 1: with it is that the current laws require the president 1539 01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:12,760 Speaker 1: to stop, block, deter, detain, and deport immediately anybody who 1540 01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:16,960 Speaker 1: illegally crosses the border. And as last I checked the 1541 01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:23,439 Speaker 1: law as it stands, the INA that requires those things 1542 01:27:24,040 --> 01:27:27,519 Speaker 1: are still in place. Like we haven't treated, we haven't 1543 01:27:27,560 --> 01:27:32,080 Speaker 1: dismissed the INA, like we've dismissed the federal marijuana law. 1544 01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:37,120 Speaker 1: We may be moving in the direction of dismissing the INA. 1545 01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:41,840 Speaker 1: Like we have the marijuana law, but the law requires 1546 01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:48,320 Speaker 1: that everybody who illegally enters the border without permission is 1547 01:27:48,360 --> 01:27:53,080 Speaker 1: to be detained and deported. Even if they apply for asylum, 1548 01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:55,839 Speaker 1: they still have to remain in detention for the duration 1549 01:27:55,960 --> 01:28:02,200 Speaker 1: of their asylum claim until it's adjudicated. What the administration 1550 01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:06,920 Speaker 1: is doing is they created a new kind of extra 1551 01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:12,719 Speaker 1: legal process that's based on an interpretation of a piece 1552 01:28:12,760 --> 01:28:17,240 Speaker 1: of the law that most minds greater than mine legal 1553 01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:20,640 Speaker 1: minds anyway, say it is not legal. You can't just 1554 01:28:20,760 --> 01:28:24,560 Speaker 1: go outside of Congress and create a thing where anybody 1555 01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:27,759 Speaker 1: in the world who wants to come across the border 1556 01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:31,640 Speaker 1: can come across the border. What you're talking about is 1557 01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:36,200 Speaker 1: a legal system that is debatable and then has to 1558 01:28:36,240 --> 01:28:43,840 Speaker 1: be implemented by Congress with an executive signing the law, 1559 01:28:44,280 --> 01:28:47,759 Speaker 1: and then we go from there. But to just create 1560 01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:50,880 Speaker 1: extra channels that, you know, just oh, let's do this 1561 01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:53,760 Speaker 1: with this and that and get as many people in 1562 01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:57,839 Speaker 1: as want to come in. That's not the intent of Congress. 1563 01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:01,880 Speaker 1: And that's the problem with this issue. Seems to have 1564 01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:04,160 Speaker 1: a lot of extra legal stuff going on. If you remember, 1565 01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:07,599 Speaker 1: Donald Trump shut down the government in order to kind 1566 01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:11,120 Speaker 1: of pressure Congress to give him money for his wall. 1567 01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:15,240 Speaker 1: He failed. He caved well, Ris refused and he's like, 1568 01:29:15,240 --> 01:29:16,599 Speaker 1: you know what, I'm going to build the wall anyway. 1569 01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:19,519 Speaker 1: And there was the Doug Doocey situation where the shipping 1570 01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:22,840 Speaker 1: containers is yeah, yeah, and so yes, it's a lot 1571 01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:24,880 Speaker 1: of it. But I think that's to Todd's point, like 1572 01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:29,280 Speaker 1: a problem with the absence of legal congressional activity on 1573 01:29:29,320 --> 01:29:31,439 Speaker 1: this issue is that it ends up becoming ad hoc, 1574 01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:34,439 Speaker 1: and the victims of that are humans who don't have 1575 01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:36,960 Speaker 1: a clear path and because of that, cartel's prey on 1576 01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:39,200 Speaker 1: them and say we'll smuggle you across the border, we'll 1577 01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:42,479 Speaker 1: turn you into humanitarian parole, and then you can have 1578 01:29:42,560 --> 01:29:44,800 Speaker 1: this existence that DACA kids have had for such a 1579 01:29:44,840 --> 01:29:48,400 Speaker 1: long time, where there's just illegal limbo because Congress can't 1580 01:29:48,439 --> 01:29:52,000 Speaker 1: agree on a damn thing. Todd Benzman, thank you so 1581 01:29:52,120 --> 01:29:55,600 Speaker 1: much for joining us, for being willing to have this discussion. 1582 01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:59,800 Speaker 1: We appreciate it so much. Happy to be here. Thank you. 1583 01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:03,880 Speaker 1: Of course, will continue to obviously cover the situation on 1584 01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:08,280 Speaker 1: our southern border and the humanitarian crisis that's absolutely unfolding 1585 01:30:08,320 --> 01:30:14,400 Speaker 1: there as development's unfold I have a great Wednesday, everybody