WEBVTT - A Cut Above: William Smarto 0:00:00.560 --> 0:00:05.680 Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio. Look Out. 0:00:05.840 --> 0:00:08.680 Sorry, I was just napping snuck in here. 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:14.760 Sleeping on the beach. Listen, you know what's ridiculous? Oh 0:00:15.160 --> 0:00:15.960 please share? 0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:19.080 All right, all right, I'm just gonna tell just you. 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:24.600 Last year at the well, you know the artist Pink. 0:00:25.200 --> 0:00:28.440 The performer, she flings herself around exactly. 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:30.080 What the with the fabrics and stuff in the sky. Okay, 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:33.319 so they had she had her summer carnival tour last year, 0:00:34.600 --> 0:00:37.360 very muscular. She was over there in the UK, right, 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:40.559 they think they call it the Britain. She was at 0:00:40.640 --> 0:00:44.080 Hyde Park in London performing, right, and somebody's like, oh hey, 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:46.599 you know, like our fans will throw like stuff on stage, 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:48.440 Like if it's some people, they'll throw like a joint, 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:51.519 or they'll throw like a bra or like no, no, 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:55.720 like just fans in America, the fans in America, our fans, 0:00:55.720 --> 0:00:57.800 I would call them root dudes. But like the fans 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:00.880 in America, when they like a music, she'll throw things 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:04.280 like drugs or like underwear. Right. Well, in the UK, 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:08.480 they threw a whole wheel of brie. And they just 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:12.000 gave her a wheel of bri. Right, She's like, oh, thanks. 0:01:12.040 --> 0:01:14.280 I don't know what you do with this, but is 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:14.800 this Belgium? 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:15.080 Okay? 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:18.000 What is this tradition? That wasn't the weirdest thing she got. 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:20.360 Another fan was like, oh when I got something too 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:22.360 right and they threw up a baggy and in the 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:23.920 baggy was like a look like powder. 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:24.080 Right. 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:26.320 She's like, what is this like heroin? I don't do 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:28.160 that kind of drugs? Like, oh, no, that's that's uh. 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:32.440 Turns out it was Ashes, Elizabeth no Ashes. Pink looked 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:35.240 at the fan and she said, and I quote, is 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:36.600 this your mom? 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:37.600 Stop it? 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:43.039 It was the fans cremated toss like, I don't know 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:45.120 if that's like like her mom loved Pink. She loved 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:47.000 Pink so much. She's like, here's my mom. I don't 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:50.720 know how this goes. Pink had a moment where someone 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:53.120 handed her first a wheel of bri and they're a 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:56.760 bag of cremain and she had to perform I didn't 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:58.960 even know the lives and stars leave. 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:01.840 The stars are just like us. 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:02.800 Ridiculous. 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:05.960 Do you know what else is ridiculous? No, a hairdresser 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:30.360 changing the way banks build their vaults. Yeah, wow, this 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:35.000 is a ridiculous crime. A podcast about absurd and outrageous. 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:38.800 Caper's ice and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:41.000 free and one hundred percent ridiculous. 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:43.080 Yeah, Arren, Nope. 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:44.600 You ever cut your own hair? 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:48.000 Yeah, all the time. Actually, most like the last I 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:50.280 don't know ten years, I'm the one to cut my hair. 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:52.760 I haven't been to a barber. I've been to a 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:57.519 barber once since the turn of this century. Really interesting, 0:02:57.720 --> 0:02:59.480 I went to a barber, to a black barber in Oakland. 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:01.360 I said, give me Muhammad Ali, Nope, give me the 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:04.040 cash is clay, and and then he knew exactly what 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:06.200 I meant, and I made that distinction. So I got 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:08.880 this really cool, tight, like early sixties flat top, and 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:10.080 that was nice. That was the last time I got 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:12.560 a haircut. You were dreads back out. 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:14.160 Yeah, you were cutting off dreads when. 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:15.920 I did that. That's the first time I cut dress. 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:17.840 And then I grew them back out until now I 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:20.400 cut the sides and so I'll use a you know 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:22.000 whatever tremor to do side. 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:25.920 Interesting. You know I used to cut my own hair. 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:28.040 That seems a little more difficult than me doing well. 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:30.280 I went to a salon once and the hairdresser was 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:33.799 all cooked out and gave me like they always probably, 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:36.840 but she gave me the world's worst haircut, really, like 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:39.600 it was so short, and it was she kept trying 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:42.680 to fix and balance things, and then suddenly I had 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:46.120 short hair shorter, and and then I looked like a 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:46.880 cub scout and. 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:47.640 Then you look like a marine. 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:47.800 Oh. 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:50.160 It was terrible, and I stopped going to salon's for 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:51.840 a long time after that. I just cut my hair 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:54.680 at home, but like it helped that. I was trying 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:57.040 to be all shaggy rocker kind of day, so I 0:03:57.080 --> 0:03:59.920 basically just did like bad Razor cuts on myself and 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:02.800 dragged a pair of scissors through my hair, Oh, to 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:05.160 make it shaggy. Sure, and then it like it was 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:07.160 dyed all blue black and a ton of product in 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:10.520 it cared. But then then after that, like I kind 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:12.440 of got through that. But then I was too broke 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:14.880 to go to a salon and I just maintained normal 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:17.720 hair at home. Then I realized I'm a grown up 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:19.680 and I needed to bite the bullet and get a 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:20.280 decent hair gut. 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:21.080 You have grown ass. 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:24.279 So I've been going to hairdressers ever since, and they've 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:24.880 all been great. 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:27.640 What's that like? Has it stuff changed since the twentieth century. 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:31.760 Has My current hairdresser, Hannah, She's amazing and I love her. 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:34.960 Sometimes when she's cutting my hair, she has her little dog, Oscar, 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:36.440 in a sling on her chest. 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:37.200 That's awesome. 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:39.600 Yeah, Oscar has like no teeth and his tongue hangs out, 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:42.960 but it makes the haircut look and feel so much better. Yeah, 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:47.479 it's incredible. Most hairdressers are total artists, like Hannah is. 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:49.200 The hairs are medium. 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:51.800 It's a difficult medium in which to work, you know, 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:57.440 unforgiving totally, and like most are, that's someone you gotta tip. Yeah, 0:04:57.640 --> 0:05:02.320 speaking on Tuesday about tipping, that's how you because something. 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:05.960 But it's high stakes, something really important. Yeah, Like if 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:07.040 they mess up, then you. 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:09.160 Know had weeks, if not months, of looking. 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:17.159 For years in my case. So like most artists, many hairdressers, 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:21.240 they they're meticulous. They have a certain perspective, fine skills, 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:23.720 and they apply them to other things. It's like drawing 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:25.799 or handiworker crafts. 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:27.080 Often artistic or crime. 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:31.160 Oh yeah, they're criming. There are criming hairdressers, of course, 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:32.280 why not. They exist. 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:33.200 They're there artists. 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:35.960 They're part of the crimer community too. Welcome in, and 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:38.000 they're sometimes successful and there's sometimes not. 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:40.320 Is it's like about that movie shampoo. That's always thing 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:40.520 I know? 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:44.360 Oh my god. Close. So there's actually a scam going 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:47.080 around right now with hairdressers. Oh really, And here's how 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:50.320 it happens. Someone posts somewhere like Facebook or something asking 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:53.640 for a recommendation for a stylist, and then a person 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:56.760 claiming to be a stylist will respond and say, I'd 0:05:56.800 --> 0:05:58.680 love to work with you, and like I can get 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:01.800 you a discount at my salon and say that it's 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:04.080 like this huge discount that they can get. But all 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:06.240 the potential client has to do is just put down 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:09.279 like forty to fifty maybe eighty five dollars to like 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:12.320 as a deposit to hold their spot because the hairdresser 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:14.640 is in such high demand. And like in a lot 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:16.760 of places that's not unusual. Like when I go to 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:19.800 get my haircut, they hold the credit card. Oh really, yeah, 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:21.720 and then if I don't show, I get charged. 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:24.240 Yeah, holding a credit card not being charged, that's one thing. 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:26.720 But this like I've been paying a little juice to 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:27.360 get a spot. 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:29.679 And a lot of these scams they prey on people 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:33.960 who are looking for braiders because it's so expensive and 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:37.520 time can yeah, and it's if that is a crazy 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:38.720 labor intensive art. 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:40.120 And also that person's only going to be able to 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:41.640 work so much on that Saturday, you know what I 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:42.520 mean or whatever. 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:44.400 And you have hours and hours and hours. 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:45.599 They want to be scheduling tight. 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:47.680 And because it's so expensive, if you find out you 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:51.120 can get a discount, So like the phony braider will 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:53.760 promise this great price for top notch work. They'll send 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:56.279 pictures of their work and it's always just mind blowing. 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:59.760 So the Mark gets sent a link to a scheduling 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:01.960 web site in the book a time, and the site 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:04.640 looks legit and the address is to a real salon 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:07.120 on there like the physical address, and it's always a 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:10.880 nice salon. So then the Mark has to send the 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:13.400 deposit to the stylist, like through Venmo or whatever. 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:16.440 Yeah, and it seems because that's so common now. 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:19.120 Yeah, exactly. And then they show up at the appointment 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:22.560 and the owner of the salon, you're not on the books, 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:25.400 I've never even heard of this stylist. The Mark tries 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:28.400 to contact the stylist, no dice. It's like it's a 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:30.880 small scale scam. But it's getting more and more prevalent. 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:32.600 This is what you always have to take things from 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:34.680 word of mouth. If that you not know someone who 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:39.040 knows this scam or this person who's offering you the offer, then. 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:41.480 Yeah, exactly, don't do it. And so But there are 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:45.960 bigger scammers of course. For example, Tina Roberts aka the 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:49.520 Black Widow. Right, it's a scary name. She was a 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:53.480 con artist. Some called her the devil in disguise. Now 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:55.560 with a name and a description like that, what did 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:56.000 she do? 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:59.160 I'm thinking she uh, steals scalps. 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:01.200 It sounds like she's going to use up a one 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:04.240 percent over here. Yeah, it sounds like she condered clients. 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:05.760 It's like totally overhead. 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:07.760 I thought, like scissors in the neck or some stuff. 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:09.000 True, is it? 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:10.360 One old man, we're getting it. 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:13.760 One victim called her that and then all the UK 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:15.160 tabloids just ran with it. 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:17.880 UK tabloids are the worst about hyperboles. 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:18.560 Out of control. 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:21.040 You You cannot ever get a sense of scale or 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:24.440 perspective from anything, because everything's the worst. The last that's insane. 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:25.680 This is never going to happen. 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:28.360 Again, exactly, Like, come on people, Yeah. 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:30.720 So I thought you guys were good, but history Tea Roberts. 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:32.559 The Black Widow, which I don't even know why you 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:33.120 would give. 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:35.120 Her this name, exactly, you're wasting it. 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:36.640 She doesn't really have like black hair. 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:38.599 There's a lot of Peter than the Wolf. Yeah, or 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:43.440 no Peter, but crying wolf Peter's exactly. 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:46.600 So she Tina, she's running all these cons twenty eleven. 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:49.240 Did you imagine a hair salon where every haircutter had 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:53.520 in their own musical instruments Peter exactly. Yeah, and the 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:55.040 customers too. They also have. 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:58.080 The noisiest that's the way noisier than normally noisies. 0:08:58.280 --> 0:08:59.200 Okay, I'm sorry, go on. 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:02.600 The Black Widow she gets convicted of scamming a terminally 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:06.120 ill cancer patient, banks clients as well as her own 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:09.880 friends for a million pounds. She posed as the England 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:16.000 rugby team's physiotherapist. It's like to establish credibility team. Yeah, 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:18.240 And she said that she got that gig after she 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:21.840 saved the life of former English coach Sir Clive Woodward, 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:25.560 that she performed a tracheotomy at a school match. 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:26.800 Us. 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:30.600 Yeah, right. Another former England coach was like, that's not true, 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:35.679 but right, So she's running this business where she's offering 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:39.640 people nutritional advice, sports therapy, massage, but she's not qualified 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:43.640 for it. She has like training in basic massage, and. 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:46.200 You do too. I think being an adult you have 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:47.480 training in basic. 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:51.560 Massage massaging dogs. So once she got a client, she'd 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:53.840 steal their credit card information to just go to town. 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:57.480 But that's not all. According to the Southern Daily Echo newspaper, 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:00.680 she told her marks that quote. She could not pay 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:03.720 bills because the police had seized her computer and she'd 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:08.000 been defrauded by an employee of HSBC, resulting in cash 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:11.599 flow problems, and she desperately needed cash to buy supplies. 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:13.959 She'd been working for the British cycling team. 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:15.760 She has moved it all around. 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:18.679 I'm a victim here, I so help me. So one 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:22.319 of her clients, this guy Peter Lelliott, loaned her almost 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:25.240 three hundred thousand pounds. Are you kidding No, I'm not 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:28.400 kidding you. She took all the cash. Now remember it's 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:31.480 like a million pounds in total, and she went on 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:36.080 these crazy vacations to the Seychelles in South Africa, did 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:37.760 something with it. But it's like they can't get like 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:40.840 she's buying experiences you can't recoup them. 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:43.199 Oh no, no, just like I think it's brilliant, she's. 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:46.959 Can't give it back. So she eventually gets caught. She's 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:49.160 sentenced to seven years. But is she going to give up? 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:51.599 No, not her, not on your life. 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:53.640 She got a seven year sentence, but she was out 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:56.560 before that because in twenty fifteen she was back at it. 0:10:57.440 --> 0:11:01.080 So now she was a hairdresser. Okay, she had a 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:01.920 mobile business. 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:02.240 She likes. 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:06.880 She has this mobile business, no set storefront, of course, 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:10.679 and she would generally service elderly clients who couldn't make 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:12.360 it out of the house too easily, but they still 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:14.080 wanted to look and feel like a million bucks. 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:14.520 Of course. 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:17.720 Yeah, the clients loved her, of course, because she made 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:21.439 he was charming. She told great stories. And the stories 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:23.360 that she told a lot of them were about her 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:26.120 celebrity clients of course, Oh yes, because like see, the 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:29.520 stars loved that she would go to them and they 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:33.400 got privacy and her incredible artistic skills. So she's telling 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:36.319 all these old grannies about you know which star of 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:39.160 the east Enders she's been cutting. So once she'd get 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:42.040 into their confidences, she would tell the clients about an 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:45.520 investment opportunity that she had, and because of the high 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:48.200 profile names that she was dropping, they all thought she 0:11:48.280 --> 0:11:49.800 was on the up and up, and she wasn't at 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:51.640 first telling them do you want to invest? 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:52.960 Well, this is where the problem with the word of 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:55.880 mouth actually goes wrong, because they know her and it seems. 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:58.240 Like she knows like she would know, and so she's 0:11:58.280 --> 0:11:59.839 telling them about this great deal and then they're like, 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:01.840 I want in on this. So she says, look, if 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:04.480 you want in, give me the money and I can 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:08.079 a'll double we can double it. Seven women gave her 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:10.959 somewhere between two hundred and twenty five pounds a piece 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:15.360 and twenty five hundred pounds each in total thirteen thousand 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:18.760 pounds between twenty fifteen twenty sixteen. Let's hear from some 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:19.760 of the victims, shall we? 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:20.960 Yeahs yeah. 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:25.360 Phyllis King, aged sixty three from Barnstable, Devin. She told 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:29.680 the Bristol Post quote, I feel upset, betrayed, and very 0:12:29.679 --> 0:12:33.240 bitter towards her. She is the black widow. She will 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:34.800 spin you a web of lies. 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:38.640 She's the one who Phyllis is, the one with a 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:39.439 can turn a phrase. 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:42.559 A criminal nickname is born. She also told the Bristol 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:44.760 Post quote the money was going to be used to 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:50.400 take my mom, who's in her eighties on holiday. Whoa Yeah, horrible. 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:54.240 To Lisa White, forty three from Bristol, she got scammed 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:57.280 out of two grand, she said, quote the fraud against 0:12:57.360 --> 0:12:59.679 me was two thousand pounds and meant our children had 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:01.800 nothing for Christmas. I'm hacked off. 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:05.480 I'm sorry, shouldn't laught, but hacked off. I didn't expect that. 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:08.000 Yeah, she's hacked off. But then also she gave away 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:11.360 the Christmas money. Ye, come on now. Alison Coates from 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:15.120 Weston super Mare, Somerset, she lost two hundred and twenty 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:17.880 five pounds to the black widow. She said, quote, I 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:21.280 couldn't pay my care bill and I couldn't buy Christmas presents. 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:25.720 Christmas present again, don't you know? Jane Foster she lost 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:30.360 eighteen hundred pounds, she said quote She's very sweet, very charming, 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:34.120 very manipulative and cunning. Butter wouldn't melt in her mouth. 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:37.320 I would say she's a devil in disguise, So that's 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:39.840 the second part of it. But also I love Butterwood 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:40.560 and melt in her mouth. 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:42.800 Yeah, she won cool character, total cool character. 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:45.960 And of course Roberts was caught. She admitted to ten 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:49.000 charges of fraud and she was sentenced to two years 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:51.960 and three months, and the judge told her at her 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:56.480 sentencing quote, your victims, in many cases were particularly vulnerable 0:13:56.520 --> 0:14:00.320 by reason of disability that left them housebound. You con 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:03.320 them by your lies. And you were running a successful 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:07.480 hairdressing business which listed celebrities among its clients. Like as 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:09.959 if she wasn't there, he just gives her a recap. 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:12.160 He's an expositions, like, yeah, I know, I did all that. 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:14.600 Like the writers are clunky on this show. So the 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:19.360 Anvila exposition just came down. Her defense solicitor said that 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:22.680 she set up a legal legit business and that she 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:26.480 had planned to pay back her quote unquote investors, and 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:29.360 he was like, some of the cash was even repaid. 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:32.240 How did some lawyers say the things they say? How 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:33.960 do you stand in front of someone but you're gonna 0:14:34.000 --> 0:14:35.680 have to stand in front again in the future, be 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:39.200 like yeah, this one she thought They were, yeah, yeah, 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:39.800 that's the ticket. 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:42.880 He's done time for conning people in the exactly, and 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:46.000 they're like all she owes now is ten five hundred 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:50.760 pounds out of thirteen thousand. So it's not like, oh, 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:54.280 she paid down one hundreds of thousands. No, So that's 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:57.880 the Black Widow who for such a name as a disappointment. 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:01.440 Very she wasn't smart, no really, and she was her victims. 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:04.720 I really that really that cheeses me up. 0:15:04.840 --> 0:15:06.560 Well, you know, we talk a lot. It's important to 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:08.800 who you pick. You know, it's not just that we 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:11.440 don't root for the criminals. It's like, okay, the targets 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:14.040 are part of it. Exactly. You rob like an old museum. 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:15.600 I'm not going to feel so bad as if you 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:17.560 rob an old person, right right. 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:20.920 And take people's Christmas money. She's she was brash, but 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:25.120 she wasn't clever, and she wasn't meticulous. That's the thing. 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:27.360 That's why she probably wasn't a good hair Probably not. 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:30.320 I haven't I have a main course for you here. 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:32.800 You talked about like who people, who you're going to 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:36.640 steal from? Yeah, this this is the cut and styling 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:38.720 after the wash and rints of the Black Widow. 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:40.120 I don't do what is this? This is this good? 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:40.840 Yes, it's good. 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:43.200 Right, it seems like I should be excited too. 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:45.880 Okay, So I'm talking about a man who was so 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:51.680 smart It was his name, Smart Williams smart O, real name. 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:55.680 How do you find these people? The thumbfardo Bill Smarto 0:15:56.640 --> 0:16:01.760 making these names up? Williams Smarto, that is Bill Smarto. 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:06.240 In the seventies, you dream the story. He was a 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:08.320 hairdresser at the Velvet Brush. 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:10.840 Bill Smarto the hairdresser at vel vel. 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:15.040 In Deerfield, Illinois. I one day, I am just going 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:16.760 to make one up as I go. It'll be fun. 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:19.320 I've done. 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:22.480 I've done all I can to find out more about 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:24.680 this salon, but I've come up empty. Like I went through. 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:27.800 I tried to go through old phone books, newspapers. It's 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:30.160 killing me because I want to see it. I want 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:33.200 to know where it was, the physical location. But he 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:36.960 wasn't just a hairdresser there. He was the owner toator. 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:40.960 So here he is styling hair in the northern suburbs 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:45.760 of Chicago in the seventies, swinging very shampoo. He had 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:47.520 a wife and two kids. Good for it, and he 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:51.520 had siblings, including one named Vincent, So William and Vincent 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:56.880 Vincent Very Vinnie and Bobby Smarto. They had a hobby 0:16:57.400 --> 0:17:01.560 and it all started with safe deposit boxes. Okay, so 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:06.760 in nineteen seventy eight, Vincent he started going to banks 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:11.600 and renting safe deposit boxes under the name John Barrow, 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:14.080 which is not to be confused with one of the 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:16.640 other great idiot aliases, John Barron. 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:19.359 And isn't John Barrow. Oh that's Clyde Barrow. 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:24.280 Ye Bonnie and John Barrow like John, call me wheel, 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:27.760 Yeah Barrow. So one of the places that they rented 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:31.320 boxes was the First National Bank of Deerfield, and they 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:34.280 went to visit the boxes dozens and dozens of times. 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:37.240 They cased the joint so while one would distract the 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:40.080 vault attendant, the other one would scope out the particulars 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:42.479 of the room. And each time they'd bring something with 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:44.800 them to put in the boxes, and that's to be expected. 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:49.000 But what Bobby Smarto was bringing in were tools bank 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:53.239 burglary tools right into the lion's den. And so one 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:54.840 of the times he went in the vault and I'm 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:57.040 guessing you know this is like when he asked for 0:17:57.080 --> 0:17:59.960 privacy to look at the contents of his safe deposit box. 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:03.600 He punched two holes in the alarm system sound sensors 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:07.600 in the ceiling, and then in two said holes he 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:11.000 put two alarm clocks and he nested them in like 0:18:11.040 --> 0:18:12.240 the dropped false ceiling. 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:17.560 How good is the distraction? Guy is incredible? He's like, oh, 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:21.040 so you feel tense here? Let message. 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:25.320 So Smarto. He had set the alarms to ring for 0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:28.600 after the bank closed, and then he and his brother 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:31.840 they camped out watching the bank overnight and they wanted 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:35.359 to see if the cops came when the alarm clocks went. No, 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:37.679 they didn't, and that's how they knew the vault alarm 0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:40.439 didn't work. And with that in mind, let's take a 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:42.760 break and when we come back, we're gonna look at 0:18:42.880 --> 0:19:06.119 phase two of the heist. You are so welcome for 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:09.719 those ads. You're welcome world. So juicy, it's so juicy. 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:10.520 You have a napkin. 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:17.560 Clean yourself up. You're embarrassing yourself, William Smartos, I'll get 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:21.240 your rat owner and operator of the velvet brush hair 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:28.200 salon and hilarious, so good a velvet rush velvet brush. 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:31.520 You use a velvet brush I've never even heard of. 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:34.440 They just put like a qualifier in front of brush. Yeah, 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:39.840 that one. That's a velvet team brush's velvet. 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:43.560 He is also a bank burglar. Yeah, hello, so dateline Sunday, 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:48.280 July twenty second, nineteen seventy nine, good Year, Deerfield, Illinois, 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:53.000 just north of Chicago, First National Bank of Deerfield. Outside 0:19:53.000 --> 0:19:56.199 the bank, William Smarto slip behind some bushes and he 0:19:56.280 --> 0:19:59.840 took a ventilation grate off the building and he climbed in. 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:03.439 And then he dropped into a room right outside the 0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:09.560 safe deposit vault. Wow, he was prepared. He brought food, A. 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:13.120 Drill his first thing he brought there for a while. 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:17.560 I brought some hammergers. He brought a drill, four crowbars, 0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:23.600 two flashlights, a spork, two headlamps, two sledgehammers, three chisels. 0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:25.360 He has a spare in case something goes wrong. 0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:26.200 He's throwing a party. 0:20:26.240 --> 0:20:30.000 Oh yeah, three chisels, eight screwdrivers, a vice grip, a hacksaw, 0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:31.080 and goggles. 0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:34.720 Okay, you have anic machine, maybe some cocktail glasses. 0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:37.880 So he's in this room, he's got his supplies tucked 0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:40.480 above the ceiling tiles. Did I mention that he was 0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:44.680 dressed like a workerman. No, he was dressed as a workerman. 0:20:45.160 --> 0:20:47.440 So we've talked about this before, how dressing like a 0:20:47.520 --> 0:20:49.560 maintenance worker is like a really great way to slip 0:20:49.640 --> 0:20:51.560 under the radar and go somewhere you aren'tupposed to. 0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:53.439 You're invisible unless you're a house spanner because people are 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:54.080 drawn to the colors. 0:20:54.320 --> 0:20:57.879 Right, So Smarto he pulled a table over to a 0:20:57.920 --> 0:21:00.119 wall and he stood on it and he put He 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:02.480 pulls out a drill and he gets to work making 0:21:02.520 --> 0:21:04.960 a hole in the wall. And then there he is 0:21:05.080 --> 0:21:08.879 mid drill when a janitor walks in and he's stuck 0:21:08.920 --> 0:21:11.719 to the ridiculous crime credo of act like you know, oh, 0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:14.040 I like it, so he doesn't flinch. The janitor looks 0:21:14.080 --> 0:21:16.440 down at the mess all over the floor, concrete, dust 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:20.320 like bits of plaster, metal, sharks, and Smarto says, when 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:22.840 I'm through, I hope somebody's going to clean up this mess. 0:21:23.680 --> 0:21:26.600 Gets an attitude that's the way, and the janitor's like 0:21:26.800 --> 0:21:29.080 size like yeah, I'll clean it up, and walks away. 0:21:29.560 --> 0:21:31.199 That's total. That's power move right. 0:21:31.640 --> 0:21:33.520 I had a friend who every time he got pulled over, 0:21:33.600 --> 0:21:35.440 he would hop out of his car and start asking 0:21:35.480 --> 0:21:37.760 the cops for directions or for help, and the cops 0:21:37.960 --> 0:21:39.800 always I don't want to deal with the do go 0:21:40.440 --> 0:21:42.840 and would leave. I was like, you can't. It's brilliant 0:21:42.880 --> 0:21:44.200 I tried it once I got arrested. 0:21:44.640 --> 0:21:46.439 Hop out of the car. It will get you lit up. 0:21:47.600 --> 0:21:49.479 But I mean like he wouldn't like hop out like 0:21:49.720 --> 0:21:51.520 that way. He would do it before the cops even 0:21:51.560 --> 0:21:53.800 had it, Like he would pull over and get out immediately, 0:21:53.880 --> 0:21:56.600 so they're not even thinking, and he wouldn't approach them. 0:21:56.680 --> 0:21:58.000 He'd hop out and be like, oh, thank god, I 0:21:58.040 --> 0:22:02.240 need your help them and then the company you're okay, 0:22:02.280 --> 0:22:03.000 and the drive away. 0:22:03.080 --> 0:22:05.240 Yeah, that's it is pretty smart. 0:22:05.280 --> 0:22:08.120 So yeah, I think throwing an attitude always throws people off. Yeah, 0:22:08.160 --> 0:22:10.760 they are unbalanced. They don't expect Yeah exactly, especially means 0:22:10.760 --> 0:22:11.800 you you should be guilty. 0:22:11.920 --> 0:22:15.080 So Smarto gets the janitor leave there, but like the 0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:18.240 attention kind of spooked him. Okay, so they can like yeah, 0:22:18.280 --> 0:22:20.439 so the well, the janitor doesn't care. He's like, this 0:22:20.480 --> 0:22:22.680 guy's a jerk. He's like every other you know, mean, 0:22:22.680 --> 0:22:26.239 this guy comes in here attitude. But Smart's like this 0:22:26.320 --> 0:22:28.159 is this isn't good. So he gives up on the 0:22:28.160 --> 0:22:31.200 Deerfield bank, looks for another target, just ditches it. 0:22:31.240 --> 0:22:32.240 Wow like that. 0:22:32.800 --> 0:22:35.479 Yeah, William and Vincent, they knew what they wanted. They 0:22:35.480 --> 0:22:39.280 wanted banks in rich neighborhoods. So the next stop, first 0:22:39.359 --> 0:22:43.840 National Bank of Barrington. It's another Chicago suburbs. So Smarto 0:22:43.960 --> 0:22:47.280 he gets the box under the alias, and like last time, 0:22:47.280 --> 0:22:50.439 he visits it dozens and dozens of time. Each time 0:22:50.680 --> 0:22:53.080 he'd bring tools to stash in the boxes and in 0:22:53.160 --> 0:22:57.720 the ceiling tiles, and four flashlights this time, a sledgehammer, 0:22:57.880 --> 0:23:01.880 a crowbar, three screwdrivers, tape bat he's a wire stripper. 0:23:01.480 --> 0:23:03.440 A trowel, a seventy eight TA. 0:23:03.480 --> 0:23:08.000 Player, hizsors, plyers, steel bolts, and he brought a change 0:23:08.000 --> 0:23:09.680 of clothes to hide in there. 0:23:09.560 --> 0:23:11.480 And no food this time, change of clothes. 0:23:11.200 --> 0:23:13.360 And he did the whole alarm clock in the ceiling thing. 0:23:13.520 --> 0:23:15.680 So I got found. I wasn't hungry, but I definitely wanted. 0:23:15.520 --> 0:23:19.520 To really did want a new outfit, So costume change. Saturday, 0:23:19.560 --> 0:23:23.520 April eleventh, nineteen eighty one, the regular vault attendant was 0:23:23.520 --> 0:23:26.399 on vacation and no one else was on duty. And 0:23:26.440 --> 0:23:31.040 then all investigators could later figure was that Smarto used 0:23:31.040 --> 0:23:33.480 a credit card to get past a glass door that 0:23:33.600 --> 0:23:36.240 led to the vault. Wow, so like Jimmy's his way in. 0:23:37.040 --> 0:23:40.080 Then he crawled up to the top of the safety 0:23:40.119 --> 0:23:43.960 deposit boxes and dropped into a corner where there was 0:23:44.000 --> 0:23:46.920 a twenty four inch square open space. 0:23:47.000 --> 0:23:49.359 And that's between like between the corner and the wall. 0:23:49.600 --> 0:23:52.480 Yeah, so like there are two walls of safe deposit 0:23:52.520 --> 0:23:54.840 boxes and where they meet the corner, there's that empty 0:23:54.880 --> 0:23:58.320 square space I got. Yeah, so bank employees they had 0:23:58.359 --> 0:24:00.880 no idea that there was a dead space in that corner. Never, 0:24:00.960 --> 0:24:03.479 they never thought about it the vault store because this 0:24:03.520 --> 0:24:06.320 is a Saturday. The vault store closes at one o'clock. 0:24:07.040 --> 0:24:10.560 And then it was one of those timelock jobsday. Yeah, 0:24:10.920 --> 0:24:13.280 seven thirty in the morning Monday, they got a wait, 0:24:13.600 --> 0:24:17.000 so one o'clock vault locks. Ten minutes later, the alarm 0:24:17.040 --> 0:24:20.000 went off and the police arrived. They'd checked the bank, 0:24:20.040 --> 0:24:23.480 they couldn't find anything suspicious. You know, they leave. Ten 0:24:23.520 --> 0:24:26.480 minutes after that, the alarm goes off again. Now both 0:24:26.480 --> 0:24:30.880 the cops the bank employees, they're thinking the alarm's malfunctioning. 0:24:31.240 --> 0:24:33.680 This is you know, we got a squirrel on the 0:24:33.760 --> 0:24:38.440 cable totally, and so the alarm was tripping because Smarto 0:24:38.600 --> 0:24:41.919 was like getting himself situated and setting up. But it 0:24:41.960 --> 0:24:46.040 was this genius plan, or was it serendipity whatever. Everyone's 0:24:46.080 --> 0:24:49.240 ignoring the alarms. So Smarto's in there for the weekend now, 0:24:50.040 --> 0:24:54.240 and he's ready to get chopping' Come Monday morning. A 0:24:54.280 --> 0:24:56.600 bank teller sitting in her car in the bank parking 0:24:56.600 --> 0:24:59.080 lot before the bank opened, saw a man in work 0:24:59.119 --> 0:25:01.960 clothes come out the bank carrying two Duffel bags. 0:25:02.000 --> 0:25:03.359 He waited till Monday morning. 0:25:03.440 --> 0:25:03.640 Seven. 0:25:03.960 --> 0:25:05.119 Well, he was stuck in the vault. 0:25:05.880 --> 0:25:07.679 Of course, right right right seven thirty. 0:25:07.680 --> 0:25:10.480 It opens up, So she's waiting, like she probably starts 0:25:10.520 --> 0:25:11.040 at eight, so. 0:25:11.000 --> 0:25:12.520 You can just open from the inside it. So it's 0:25:12.600 --> 0:25:14.960 seven thirty. That's interesting. Yeah, I guess spin the wheel. 0:25:15.560 --> 0:25:16.080 Yeah huh. 0:25:16.320 --> 0:25:19.040 And so she sees or maybe like it opened up 0:25:19.040 --> 0:25:21.520 and then he popped out of the dead space. Anyway, 0:25:21.720 --> 0:25:23.359 she sees a guy in work clothes coming out of 0:25:23.400 --> 0:25:25.480 the bank carrying two Duffel bags, and she thinks that's 0:25:25.480 --> 0:25:26.040 a little weird. 0:25:26.119 --> 0:25:26.399 Yeah. 0:25:26.600 --> 0:25:28.720 She goes into work and she sees the same guy 0:25:28.800 --> 0:25:31.919 leaving the vault again, this time with another two Duffle bags, 0:25:32.760 --> 0:25:34.560 and she's liked, well, it must be a maintenance guy. 0:25:34.760 --> 0:25:37.320 I mean, after all, we had those alarm issues on Saturday. 0:25:37.480 --> 0:25:40.840 We had all thoseuffle backs, dead squirrels that did shoot 0:25:40.880 --> 0:25:45.679 through the water. Yeah, zaren close your eyes always, I 0:25:45.720 --> 0:25:48.440 always do do all right. Here we go, I want 0:25:48.480 --> 0:25:53.080 you to picture it. It's Monday, April thirteenth, nineteen eighty one. 0:25:53.440 --> 0:25:56.720 You're a customer of First National Bank of Barrington and 0:25:56.800 --> 0:26:00.360 you want to access your safety deposit box. You hop 0:26:00.400 --> 0:26:03.880 out of your lemon yellow nineteen eighty Cadillac El Dorado 0:26:04.320 --> 0:26:07.280 and make your way into the bank. You're whistling what 0:26:07.320 --> 0:26:09.520 you think is the song at the top of the charts, 0:26:09.840 --> 0:26:12.280 Kiss on My List by Hollan Oates, but you can't 0:26:12.320 --> 0:26:15.239 really carry a tune. It's close, though, it's close. You 0:26:15.359 --> 0:26:19.359 enter the bank, people chatting and musac coming filling the air. 0:26:20.119 --> 0:26:22.480 You ask to be taken to the safety deposit boxes. 0:26:22.520 --> 0:26:24.399 As you present your key and the clerk goes to 0:26:24.400 --> 0:26:27.680 open the box for you, something weird happens. The lock 0:26:27.880 --> 0:26:31.520 falls into the box, and while your bandana collection and 0:26:31.560 --> 0:26:34.760 stacks of rare two dollar bills should have padded, the 0:26:34.800 --> 0:26:38.359 locks tumble instead. You hear a clanging sound. The box 0:26:38.400 --> 0:26:41.120 is empty. You and the bank employee stare at each 0:26:41.119 --> 0:26:44.080 other for a moment, and then he gingerly lifts a 0:26:44.119 --> 0:26:46.640 finger and presses the face of the lock on the 0:26:46.680 --> 0:26:49.720 box next to yours. It slides easily away from the 0:26:49.720 --> 0:26:52.719 door of the box and clatters loudly into the empty box, 0:26:53.280 --> 0:26:57.159 metal on metal, just like yours. You are quickly ushered 0:26:57.160 --> 0:26:58.840 from the vault and told to wait in the glass 0:26:58.880 --> 0:27:01.800 walled meeting room that looks over the bank floor. Muzak 0:27:01.880 --> 0:27:04.320 fills the empty room as you watch the clerk scurry 0:27:04.359 --> 0:27:07.280 to the bank manager, tuck his head down and whisper something. 0:27:07.920 --> 0:27:11.439 The manager looks at the clerk, shock briefly flashing across 0:27:11.440 --> 0:27:14.600 her face. She immediately regains her composure and picks up 0:27:14.640 --> 0:27:17.160 the phone. You watch her have a quick conversation, her 0:27:17.160 --> 0:27:20.399 face stone serious. You pull a rolled up copy of 0:27:20.480 --> 0:27:23.280 Highlights magazine from your back pocket and start to flip through. 0:27:23.840 --> 0:27:26.600 You've done all the puzzle challenges and read all the stories. 0:27:26.760 --> 0:27:29.240 You toss the magazine in the trash. You reach into 0:27:29.280 --> 0:27:31.320 your other back pocket and you pull out a calculator. 0:27:31.720 --> 0:27:35.840 You type in fifty eight thousand and eight five eight 0:27:36.000 --> 0:27:39.359 zero zero eight. Then you flip the calculator upside down. 0:27:39.560 --> 0:27:43.920 The display reads boobs. You chuckle and return the calculator 0:27:43.960 --> 0:27:46.320 to your back pocket, from the front chest pocket to 0:27:46.320 --> 0:27:48.520 your short sleeve button down shirt. You take a folded 0:27:48.600 --> 0:27:51.679 up piece of paper. You gently open it, careful with 0:27:51.760 --> 0:27:55.320 the war increases and frayed edges. It's the abstract for 0:27:55.480 --> 0:27:59.040 Torsen v CLLs and David Huble's about to be Nobel 0:27:59.119 --> 0:28:02.640 winning research the ocular dominance columns. Oh yeah, you were 0:28:02.720 --> 0:28:05.480 just positive that in six months time they'll get the 0:28:05.520 --> 0:28:09.000 award for their work after all. By depriving kittens from 0:28:09.119 --> 0:28:12.240 using one eye, they showed that columns in the primary 0:28:12.320 --> 0:28:16.000 visual cortex receiving inputs from the other eye took over 0:28:16.040 --> 0:28:19.320 the areas that would normally receive input from the deprived eye. 0:28:19.440 --> 0:28:22.600 The kittens also did not develop areas receiving input from 0:28:22.640 --> 0:28:26.480 both eyes, a feature needed for binocular vision. Their experiments, 0:28:26.520 --> 0:28:30.720 saren showed that the ocular dominance develops irreversibly early in 0:28:30.840 --> 0:28:34.040 childhood development, and these studies opened the door for the 0:28:34.119 --> 0:28:38.000 understanding and treatment of childhood cataracts. 0:28:37.560 --> 0:28:39.680 A brutal but beautiful good assigns. 0:28:39.720 --> 0:28:42.200 They were also important to the study of cortical plasticity 0:28:42.240 --> 0:28:46.200 and so just then, though, just then you see movement 0:28:46.400 --> 0:28:49.880 out of the corner of your eye. Suits coming into 0:28:49.920 --> 0:28:52.680 the bank with purpose. You fold up the document and 0:28:52.720 --> 0:28:55.800 place it in your shirt pocket. These guys are definitely FEDS. 0:28:56.360 --> 0:28:58.120 You just want to know what happened to all the 0:28:58.120 --> 0:29:00.880 stuff in your safety deposit box. The clerk comes to 0:29:00.880 --> 0:29:02.920 get you and takes you back to the vault. The 0:29:03.040 --> 0:29:07.440 FBI agents swarmed the vault, peering into masses of empty boxes, 0:29:07.760 --> 0:29:10.000 and the agent walks you over to the remains of 0:29:10.040 --> 0:29:14.400 your safety deposit box. Can you confirm this box is yours? Yep? 0:29:14.480 --> 0:29:17.479 You tell him and U there were items in there 0:29:17.600 --> 0:29:20.920 last time you checked. Yep. He sighs and hands you 0:29:20.920 --> 0:29:22.920 a form telling you to list all the items in 0:29:22.920 --> 0:29:25.960 the box and provide your contact information. You walk out 0:29:25.960 --> 0:29:28.840 to your Cadillac, positive you'll never disclose. The extent of 0:29:28.880 --> 0:29:34.680 your bandana collection never saren So the FEDS took inventory, 0:29:34.720 --> 0:29:36.880 and they worked out that one hundred and fifty safety 0:29:36.920 --> 0:29:40.680 deposit boxes were very neatly broken into seventy four of 0:29:40.720 --> 0:29:43.760 them emptied out. More than a million in cash, as 0:29:43.760 --> 0:29:47.040 well as gold, coins and other valuables, all gone. After 0:29:47.280 --> 0:29:50.200 Smarto punched the locks out, he replaced all of the 0:29:50.280 --> 0:29:54.160 cylinders in the boxes and swept up the mess meticulous. 0:29:54.560 --> 0:29:56.840 He hid all the trash in the ceiling, so the 0:29:56.920 --> 0:29:59.840 vault looked totally normal when it was opened, and the 0:30:00.200 --> 0:30:03.720 he's walking back and forth bringing bags out doesn't look fishy. 0:30:04.240 --> 0:30:06.600 How did he get out? He hid in that corner 0:30:06.600 --> 0:30:09.000 dead space until the vault door was opened Monday morning, 0:30:09.320 --> 0:30:12.960 and according to US attorney Alan Grossman, quote, he took 0:30:13.000 --> 0:30:15.520 the risk that no one would be waiting outside the 0:30:15.560 --> 0:30:18.400 vault Monday morning because the alarm had gone off twice. 0:30:18.680 --> 0:30:23.000 He just calmly walked out. And then FBI agent Leroy 0:30:23.200 --> 0:30:28.120 Heinbach he said that it was the first successful looting 0:30:28.400 --> 0:30:32.320 of a safety deposit box vault in the United States. Really, yeah, 0:30:32.600 --> 0:30:37.040 us a number what yeah, Federal prosecutors said, whoever did 0:30:37.080 --> 0:30:41.880 it was a quote criminal genius. No, let's take a break. 0:30:41.880 --> 0:30:43.360 When we come back, I'm going to tell you more 0:30:43.360 --> 0:31:06.760 about this criminal genius. Get back here there, Oh hey, 0:31:06.920 --> 0:31:07.720 get back any here. 0:31:08.000 --> 0:31:08.680 I'm sorry. 0:31:09.400 --> 0:31:12.640 William Smarto hairdresser, bank. 0:31:12.480 --> 0:31:15.200 Burglar, Billy Smarto. 0:31:14.560 --> 0:31:17.320 Bad Billy Smarto. By the way, he was still a 0:31:17.360 --> 0:31:21.640 hairstylist this whole time. I love it, running perms, stubbing 0:31:21.680 --> 0:31:23.320 out grays, just the whole deal. 0:31:23.760 --> 0:31:26.640 I was walking like early eighties perms like the like 0:31:26.840 --> 0:31:28.920 ay curl, spiral. 0:31:28.560 --> 0:31:32.440 Farms tight yeah, tight, tight tight, frizzy, and and stealing 0:31:32.480 --> 0:31:34.920 from safety deposit boxes with the help of his brother 0:31:35.160 --> 0:31:39.160 also frizzy, Yeah, super frizzy. They had no reason to stop. 0:31:39.400 --> 0:31:44.040 No Vincent rented safety deposit boxes again, this time at 0:31:44.080 --> 0:31:47.200 the First National Bank of Lake Forest, and once again 0:31:47.280 --> 0:31:50.800 under the name John Barrow, and once again William Smarto 0:31:50.960 --> 0:31:54.040 made a ton of visits case the place stored his tools, 0:31:54.160 --> 0:31:58.680 blah blah blah. At the Barrington job, he'd almost been 0:31:58.720 --> 0:31:59.440 a Robin Hood. 0:32:00.080 --> 0:32:00.800 Oh really Yeah. 0:32:00.840 --> 0:32:03.120 He was going through the boxes and if he felt 0:32:03.160 --> 0:32:05.760 like he saw things in there that like mortgage notes 0:32:05.800 --> 0:32:07.680 or records that looked like the owner of the box 0:32:07.760 --> 0:32:10.320 couldn't afford to lose what was in there, he'd leave 0:32:10.320 --> 0:32:13.280 it alone. So that's why about half the boxes that 0:32:13.280 --> 0:32:16.800 were busted into weren't emptied. So he's like, that looks 0:32:16.840 --> 0:32:18.120 like these people need this. 0:32:18.320 --> 0:32:20.080 Yeah, I respect Yeah. 0:32:19.880 --> 0:32:22.760 So back to Lake Forest. He visited the rented boxes 0:32:22.800 --> 0:32:26.719 fifty one times between mid January and he won fifty 0:32:26.760 --> 0:32:29.479 one and Labor Day of nineteen eighty two, so more 0:32:29.520 --> 0:32:30.240 than once a week. 0:32:30.400 --> 0:32:33.640 That's I mean, they all know you, They totally know 0:32:33.720 --> 0:32:35.080 him to have stories about you. 0:32:35.240 --> 0:32:35.440 Yeah. 0:32:35.440 --> 0:32:37.560 And at one point he had to bring in big 0:32:37.600 --> 0:32:39.400 items like wooden shelves. 0:32:39.880 --> 0:32:42.680 Why how are you going to say, I'm going to 0:32:42.680 --> 0:32:45.440 put these in They're very important. My grandfather bought these back. 0:32:45.320 --> 0:32:48.520 In shelves to put you wanted to put shelving in 0:32:48.600 --> 0:32:50.320 the ceiling, the drop ceiling. 0:32:51.160 --> 0:32:51.360 Watch. 0:32:51.960 --> 0:32:54.040 So what he did is he'd put them in boxes 0:32:54.080 --> 0:32:55.840 and said they were pieces of art and that he 0:32:55.920 --> 0:32:56.640 was a collector. 0:32:56.880 --> 0:32:58.920 How big are these boxes? I don't know how big 0:32:58.960 --> 0:32:59.560 are these shells? 0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:03.120 Let me there was like, ikea flat pack is what 0:33:03.120 --> 0:33:05.960 I'm kind of imagining that he had to put it together. Wow, 0:33:06.240 --> 0:33:09.000 it's you know, he's a It's part of his sick artistry. 0:33:09.080 --> 0:33:15.640 Here a flat So here we are, Friday, September third, 0:33:15.720 --> 0:33:19.000 nineteen eighty two. Aberca dabber by the Steve Miller band 0:33:19.080 --> 0:33:22.320 is at the top of the charts. First National Bank 0:33:22.360 --> 0:33:25.920 of Lake I want to read and grab you. A 0:33:25.960 --> 0:33:27.720 customer at the bank, an old man. He had to 0:33:27.800 --> 0:33:28.440 use the bathroom. 0:33:28.800 --> 0:33:29.840 Yeah, as they do. 0:33:29.960 --> 0:33:32.160 Aren't you so happy that I didn't use this as 0:33:32.200 --> 0:33:32.840 the picture it. 0:33:33.360 --> 0:33:34.960 I'm actually surprised the word. 0:33:35.200 --> 0:33:38.480 I'm a little surprised too. So the guy uses the can. 0:33:39.400 --> 0:33:42.400 He comes out and he tells a bank employee that 0:33:42.440 --> 0:33:44.560 a wooden panel had fallen in. 0:33:44.600 --> 0:33:45.960 There for a couple of hours. 0:33:46.080 --> 0:33:48.240 Yeah, he's like a wooden panel fell from the ceiling. 0:33:48.280 --> 0:33:51.360 And the guy's like, dang, dude, what you doing there? No, 0:33:51.560 --> 0:33:56.000 that's not what he said. That is what sounds. 0:33:56.320 --> 0:33:56.840 I blew it out. 0:33:56.920 --> 0:34:01.400 Yeah, like it was major. So they call the superintendent 0:34:01.440 --> 0:34:04.640 and maintenance, who goes to replace the panel. The only 0:34:04.680 --> 0:34:07.840 thing is he goes up the ladder to slide the 0:34:07.840 --> 0:34:12.040 panel in place, and he sees something eyes eyeballs staring 0:34:12.120 --> 0:34:14.400 back at him. He was face to face with the 0:34:14.520 --> 0:34:15.880 hiding William Smarto. 0:34:16.080 --> 0:34:18.239 He didn't think to move, I could back up. 0:34:18.360 --> 0:34:21.239 He just froze. Apparently Smarto had planned to spend the 0:34:21.280 --> 0:34:24.719 weekend like breaking into the safety deposit boxes, and then 0:34:24.760 --> 0:34:27.240 he was going to leave the morning of September fifth, 0:34:27.320 --> 0:34:30.360 like in jogging clothes. He had jogging clothes with him, 0:34:30.880 --> 0:34:34.240 and he had stashed his van nearby at Lake Forest College. 0:34:34.239 --> 0:34:35.360 He's a very new trend. 0:34:35.480 --> 0:34:38.040 Oh yeah, and he had like his whold backstory. And 0:34:38.360 --> 0:34:41.800 so anyway, the police they found seven bags containing tools 0:34:41.800 --> 0:34:44.839 for breaking into safety deposits. Every time he brings more 0:34:44.920 --> 0:34:50.399 and more stuff. This time he had an industrial sized jackhammer, 0:34:51.440 --> 0:34:54.960 a powerful land. He had teleand thermal lance. He had 0:34:54.960 --> 0:34:57.359 an electric saw to cut the hinges off the safe 0:34:57.360 --> 0:34:59.520 deposit boxes. He's like, it took too long to punch 0:34:59.560 --> 0:35:02.160 the locks. Let's just cut the hinges. He had a 0:35:02.160 --> 0:35:04.719 bottle of water, you know, stay hydrated. 0:35:04.760 --> 0:35:06.600 Oh you're you're a kind of okay. Yeah, and he 0:35:06.640 --> 0:35:08.600 also thinking like you doing a chemistry thing. 0:35:08.680 --> 0:35:10.880 Yeah, no, just for sippons. And then he had an 0:35:10.920 --> 0:35:14.200 empty bottle to pee intwo, Why just p in the corner? 0:35:14.239 --> 0:35:14.840 Yeah, exactly. 0:35:15.280 --> 0:35:19.600 He had a radio, an alarm, clock, gloves, scissors, two flashlights, pliers, 0:35:19.640 --> 0:35:22.400 five screwdrivers, and then his jogging and it took us 0:35:22.440 --> 0:35:26.680 to the Cubs game. Yeah. And January twelfth, nineteen eighty three, 0:35:27.160 --> 0:35:30.360 he pleads guilty to charges of burglary and possession of 0:35:30.400 --> 0:35:33.000 burglary tools, and he got sentenced to three years by 0:35:33.080 --> 0:35:37.000 Judge John L. Hughes. Now the judge said he hoped 0:35:37.320 --> 0:35:40.319 that the sentence with John Hughes, John Hughes, John Carl 0:35:40.680 --> 0:35:41.120 John L. 0:35:41.239 --> 0:35:43.920 Hughes was like, Okay, I heard that. 0:35:44.120 --> 0:35:46.279 Yeah, judge said that he'd hope the. 0:35:46.239 --> 0:35:47.880 Sentence Saturday detention. 0:35:49.920 --> 0:35:53.920 It would deter possible copycats. And the judge said, quote, 0:35:54.040 --> 0:35:56.920 it almost seems like it's a script for a television 0:35:57.000 --> 0:35:58.120 show or a movie. 0:35:58.480 --> 0:36:00.879 Are we sure this isn't John Hughes's dad, right, I'm 0:36:00.920 --> 0:36:04.640 saying about those other brother. 0:36:06.880 --> 0:36:11.040 So Barrington police FBI agents they question him about Deerfield 0:36:11.120 --> 0:36:14.160 and Barrington the previous two no arrests had been made 0:36:14.200 --> 0:36:18.200 in those and they know fully the m O John 0:36:18.280 --> 0:36:21.880 Barrow had rented boxes at all three banks. And just 0:36:21.920 --> 0:36:24.880 like that, Smarto is BA BA busted for everything. 0:36:25.000 --> 0:36:25.680 Yeah, of course. 0:36:26.160 --> 0:36:29.240 July of eighty four, while America is gripped with Olympic fever, 0:36:30.560 --> 0:36:34.200 Ricardo and his brother Vincent they're indicted by a grand 0:36:34.280 --> 0:36:37.760 jury for the safety deposit box robbery of First National 0:36:37.760 --> 0:36:38.600 Bank in Barrington. 0:36:38.680 --> 0:36:41.040 So he missed out on all of Edwin, Moses. 0:36:40.880 --> 0:36:46.000 Great, everything, Flow, Joe everything, Lewis. Yeah, they plead not guilty. 0:36:46.280 --> 0:36:49.360 In February of the next year, Smarto he gets convicted 0:36:49.400 --> 0:36:53.760 of bank burglary and conspiracy in federal court. Was flowed 0:36:53.880 --> 0:36:57.480 in eighty four was eighty eight, I'm jumping forward anyway, 0:36:58.120 --> 0:37:01.120 So he gets convicted. He's looking at fifty five years 0:37:01.160 --> 0:37:04.279 in prison. And Vincent was also charged, but he was 0:37:04.320 --> 0:37:06.880 really sick. He didn't stand trial. He had a severe 0:37:06.920 --> 0:37:10.319 heart attack, open heart surgery. His lawyers like, he can't 0:37:10.320 --> 0:37:12.080 take the stress of a trial. They're like, you know what, 0:37:12.200 --> 0:37:14.759 never mind, We'll just let it go. And according to 0:37:14.760 --> 0:37:17.799 an AFFI, David Smarto asked Vincent to open the safe 0:37:17.840 --> 0:37:21.080 deposit boxes, open those accounts at the three banks, and 0:37:21.120 --> 0:37:24.640 that around that time Smarto was quote involved in a 0:37:24.680 --> 0:37:28.400 bitter divorce and was trying to conceal assets from his wife. 0:37:28.680 --> 0:37:30.280 So we found a way to blame a woman. 0:37:30.520 --> 0:37:37.120 Yeah, pretty much, there was his wife, it exactly. 0:37:37.160 --> 0:37:40.560 And then Williams said that Vincent knew nothing about any 0:37:40.560 --> 0:37:43.160 of these bank robberies. I just thought he was getting 0:37:43.239 --> 0:37:45.400 you know, I want to hide my stuff in these 0:37:45.440 --> 0:37:49.359 safe deposit boxes. I like that both Smarto and his 0:37:49.400 --> 0:37:54.000 brother Vincent. They requested severance of counts because Vincent didn't 0:37:54.040 --> 0:37:57.840 participate to the extent that William Smarto did, and the 0:37:57.880 --> 0:38:00.799 criminal acts on the indictment or quote not all of 0:38:00.840 --> 0:38:04.840 the same or similar character. So in a plea for leniency, 0:38:05.000 --> 0:38:08.000 begging at the mercy of the court. Smarto's defense attorney, 0:38:08.040 --> 0:38:12.000 William's defense attorney pointed out that his crime was nonviolent 0:38:12.640 --> 0:38:16.040 and that he himself was a caring father of two sons, 0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:18.560 a sixteen year old and a twelve year old, and 0:38:18.600 --> 0:38:20.719 he went to point out that there was no evidence 0:38:20.800 --> 0:38:24.360 that Smarto had accumulated any wealth, you know, since the robbery. 0:38:24.440 --> 0:38:26.160 It was a blowing money on thanks for yeah, And. 0:38:26.200 --> 0:38:28.680 So April twenty third, nineteen eighty five, he gets sentenced 0:38:28.719 --> 0:38:33.240 to twenty years in prison by US District Judge Marvin Aspen. 0:38:33.440 --> 0:38:35.759 So no leniency, what you're telling me? 0:38:35.920 --> 0:38:38.799 Oh? Hold on. So he gets sentenced for the three 0:38:38.800 --> 0:38:40.879 bank jobs, even though one of them is the only 0:38:40.880 --> 0:38:42.040 one that was successful. 0:38:42.160 --> 0:38:43.680 But they can connect them bridezily. 0:38:43.920 --> 0:38:46.439 Yeah, but the stolen goods were not recovered at this point. 0:38:47.080 --> 0:38:49.840 And so he also gets fined twenty five thousand dollars 0:38:49.880 --> 0:38:53.720 by Judge Aspen, who called Smarto quote a very bright, 0:38:54.000 --> 0:38:58.200 multifaceted person, multifaceted, and they say you got to start 0:38:58.239 --> 0:39:01.320 serving your sentence immediately. He maintains his innocence. 0:39:01.400 --> 0:39:03.479 He's like, sir, if I was so multifaceted, why would 0:39:03.480 --> 0:39:04.800 I wear this facet. 0:39:04.600 --> 0:39:07.600 Yeah, and he says like, I can't give you the 0:39:07.640 --> 0:39:09.799 loot because I don't I didn't do it. I have 0:39:09.840 --> 0:39:12.880 no idea where it is. Judge asspen not buying it though, 0:39:13.120 --> 0:39:16.400 he said, now listen, I will reduce your sentence in 0:39:16.480 --> 0:39:19.719 exchange for you owning up to what you did and 0:39:19.960 --> 0:39:23.600 you have to assist the authorities with recovering the missing items. 0:39:24.239 --> 0:39:28.040 Next thing you know, an anonymous package is left at 0:39:28.120 --> 0:39:31.239 Smarto's lawyer's office. FBI goes to pick it up. They 0:39:31.320 --> 0:39:33.880 said it was obvious that the thing had been sitting 0:39:33.920 --> 0:39:38.000 in a river somewhere. It was like damp, moldy, gross, 0:39:38.080 --> 0:39:42.400 it smelled terrible. Inside over four hundred pieces of jewelry 0:39:42.520 --> 0:39:45.280 and other items, A bunch of them, though, were catalog 0:39:45.480 --> 0:39:49.040 is quote tarnished and or damaged, and so, according to 0:39:49.080 --> 0:39:52.919 court documents, prosecutors said Smarto was quote try to pull 0:39:52.960 --> 0:39:56.920 a fast one due to the fact that the most 0:39:57.040 --> 0:40:00.960 expensive pieces were not returned and the ones that were 0:40:01.040 --> 0:40:04.360 returned were damaged because like the gemstones had been pride, 0:40:04.920 --> 0:40:07.840 so they were like brooches and rings, and one of 0:40:07.840 --> 0:40:10.080 them was a ten carrot ring. This is a rein 0:40:10.160 --> 0:40:14.040 carrot diamond ring. Yeah, so some of the items not recovered. 0:40:14.960 --> 0:40:17.680 Another ten carrot diamond ring valued it one hundred and 0:40:17.680 --> 0:40:20.120 twenty eight thousand dollars at the time, Wow, which is 0:40:20.160 --> 0:40:23.719 like three hundred and seventy k today. A platinum engagement 0:40:23.800 --> 0:40:27.480 ring worth thirty eight thousand dollars gold coins valued it, 0:40:27.680 --> 0:40:31.000 you know, almost thirty four thousand dollars. A platinum emerald 0:40:31.040 --> 0:40:35.799 ring through fifteen thousand and approach valued at ten thousand dollars, 0:40:36.200 --> 0:40:39.320 which is like nearly twenty nine thousand. Smackaroos. 0:40:39.600 --> 0:40:40.480 I love those conversion. 0:40:40.560 --> 0:40:42.400 God, I love the conversions. I had him for all 0:40:42.440 --> 0:40:46.760 of them. I was like holding on to him. So anyway, 0:40:46.760 --> 0:40:50.359 because of this, the US Attorney's Office recommended against the 0:40:50.400 --> 0:40:53.720 sentence reduction. They're like, you know, he didn't give everything back. 0:40:53.800 --> 0:40:57.480 He obviously sold a bunch of stuff. Judge Aspen, he 0:40:57.520 --> 0:41:01.480 didn't listen. He reduced Smarto's twenty years sentenced to eight 0:41:01.560 --> 0:41:06.520 years due to the quote the defendant's substantial but incomplete 0:41:06.600 --> 0:41:08.400 restitution of the stolen items. 0:41:08.480 --> 0:41:09.800 Wow, and get him good faith. 0:41:09.840 --> 0:41:12.080 But then on top of that, he he sentenced him 0:41:12.120 --> 0:41:15.719 to five hundred hours of community service upon release and 0:41:16.360 --> 0:41:21.000 quote cooperation with law enforcement and banking authorities in developing 0:41:21.400 --> 0:41:25.480 internal security programs to combat potential bank robberies. 0:41:25.960 --> 0:41:28.440 But five hundred hours a community service, what is that? 0:41:29.239 --> 0:41:33.239 Two full months of eight hour days, five days a week. Well, 0:41:33.360 --> 0:41:35.640 so he had two months of work. Yeah, not that much, 0:41:35.840 --> 0:41:36.279 come on. 0:41:36.480 --> 0:41:39.719 So he had. But he tell like, the bigger thing 0:41:39.840 --> 0:41:41.400 is that the judge says, you got to work with 0:41:41.440 --> 0:41:44.719 the FBI to come up with protocols for banks to 0:41:44.880 --> 0:41:46.319 use to avoid people like you. 0:41:46.600 --> 0:41:47.560 Yeah, teach, it's what you know. 0:41:47.840 --> 0:41:50.279 And thanks to him, that's why bank vaults don't have 0:41:50.360 --> 0:41:53.280 false ceilings anymore or dead corners. 0:41:54.239 --> 0:41:56.400 Thanks to him. Thanks to him, they decided that was 0:41:56.440 --> 0:41:57.160 a bad idea. 0:41:57.360 --> 0:41:59.799 He worked with the FBI to estatl. 0:42:00.120 --> 0:42:00.879 With that on their own. 0:42:00.960 --> 0:42:05.880 Now they needed him, so wow, smarto. He sent the 0:42:06.000 --> 0:42:10.480 judge Judge Aspen, a handwritten letter sharing the quote happy 0:42:10.520 --> 0:42:13.760 reaction of himself and his loved ones to the reduction 0:42:13.800 --> 0:42:16.239 of the sentence and this part of his release, like 0:42:16.320 --> 0:42:18.839 when he got paroled, he was allowed to travel, and 0:42:18.920 --> 0:42:21.759 so he's on parole. He in nineteen eighty nine, he 0:42:21.800 --> 0:42:24.600 went to New Orleans. Nineteen ninety he went to Spain. 0:42:25.360 --> 0:42:28.080 He went to Wisconsin twice. 0:42:27.960 --> 0:42:35.000 He's traveling wells from Chicago, but he went to he 0:42:35.280 --> 0:42:39.600 got a new wife, wife wife, new wife, Bermuda, that 0:42:39.719 --> 0:42:42.319 went and it was never brought up, like how are 0:42:42.400 --> 0:42:45.160 you funding these these trips all this. 0:42:45.280 --> 0:42:46.760 You know whatever questions. 0:42:46.840 --> 0:42:49.640 Twenty eleven, he popped up again, this time as a 0:42:49.680 --> 0:42:52.920 real estate broker, and he hadn't burgled another bank, but 0:42:53.000 --> 0:42:55.600 his eighty five conviction had come back to haunt him 0:42:55.719 --> 0:42:59.160 all those years later. The Illinois Department of Financial and 0:42:59.200 --> 0:43:03.560 Professional regular they issued a disciplinary order and they placed 0:43:03.840 --> 0:43:08.360 his real estate broker license William Smarto of Lake Villa, 0:43:08.960 --> 0:43:12.560 on probation for five years and then Restrictedlycenger as a 0:43:12.640 --> 0:43:15.879 managing broker for five years due to his eighty five 0:43:15.960 --> 0:43:18.920 felony conviction. Now, all I could find was the order. 0:43:19.280 --> 0:43:21.400 So my guess is that he was acting as a 0:43:21.400 --> 0:43:24.840 broker and someone found out about it and ratia. It 0:43:24.880 --> 0:43:27.040 doesn't seem fair to me because like he did his time, 0:43:27.080 --> 0:43:29.440 he paid his debts in the way that we're prescribed 0:43:29.440 --> 0:43:32.520 to him. I think he's still kicking today. There's an 0:43:32.520 --> 0:43:36.080 episode of Masterminds about him, but it doesn't tell much 0:43:36.120 --> 0:43:39.200 about his personality, just that he's this genius who was 0:43:39.280 --> 0:43:42.480 respected by law enforcement who hunted him, But I wish 0:43:42.560 --> 0:43:46.160 I knew more about him as a person. Yeah, how 0:43:46.200 --> 0:43:49.960 did he get into hairdressing? What did he think about 0:43:49.960 --> 0:43:52.520 his crimes? How did his life go after he got out? 0:43:52.600 --> 0:43:54.400 Why did you think about the development of the Rachel? 0:43:55.680 --> 0:43:55.879 Yeah? 0:43:55.960 --> 0:43:59.279 Where is hairstyle? What I'm trying to say is I 0:43:59.280 --> 0:44:01.520 want him to write a book. Oh yeah, it might 0:44:01.520 --> 0:44:03.719 not be too late. No, he has not written a book. 0:44:04.160 --> 0:44:07.000 Please write a book, Zaren. I'm going to cut you 0:44:07.040 --> 0:44:09.279 off before you ask me. My ridiculous takeaway is that 0:44:09.320 --> 0:44:11.600 I hope he writes a book. Oh man, what's your 0:44:11.680 --> 0:44:12.520 ridiculous take. 0:44:12.440 --> 0:44:19.000 Whyl was the takeaway? Thank you for asking his He 0:44:19.000 --> 0:44:19.840 didn't write a book. 0:44:19.880 --> 0:44:20.680 He didn't write a book. 0:44:20.760 --> 0:44:24.160 That's wild. He didn't write it in all honesty. Do 0:44:24.200 --> 0:44:27.600 you think that like he doesn't have a chip on 0:44:27.600 --> 0:44:30.359 his shoulder right about being like you know, it's not like, oh, 0:44:30.480 --> 0:44:32.239 I'm not a tough guy because I'm a hairdresser, right 0:44:33.160 --> 0:44:34.520 and he's not like a he doesn't have a chip 0:44:34.560 --> 0:44:36.319 on his shoulder. Like people didn't think I was smart. 0:44:36.360 --> 0:44:38.319 So I'm going to burn these people. Yeah, what was 0:44:38.400 --> 0:44:41.799 the motivator? Because it seems like he's kind of like 0:44:42.000 --> 0:44:43.719 a smart guy. He gets into real estate later on, 0:44:43.800 --> 0:44:46.120 like why did he have to do the Like I 0:44:46.160 --> 0:44:48.520 just I know where I'm asking a very large question, 0:44:48.560 --> 0:44:50.799 but like what do you suspect did he get a 0:44:50.840 --> 0:44:52.880 thrill out of it? Like getting over on the people 0:44:52.880 --> 0:44:54.800 from what you read? Like, yeah, is it the artist 0:44:54.840 --> 0:44:56.920 in him? Like you know how an artist can very 0:44:56.960 --> 0:44:59.560 much enjoy either a performance or the or the the 0:44:59.719 --> 0:45:02.600 pla stick act of creation. You know, It's like, was 0:45:02.640 --> 0:45:04.319 this his I think so? 0:45:04.600 --> 0:45:08.200 I think so. I think that he recognized the vulnerabilities 0:45:08.200 --> 0:45:11.200 in it and was smart and realized like this is God, 0:45:11.320 --> 0:45:13.560 I could totally do this, and there was an art 0:45:13.600 --> 0:45:16.440 to it. He was so meticulous and so careful in 0:45:16.480 --> 0:45:19.120 all the planning and all the time, and it's like, 0:45:19.200 --> 0:45:21.000 you know, you go to get your hair done and 0:45:21.040 --> 0:45:22.840 they're going to dye your hair and they lay everything 0:45:22.880 --> 0:45:25.520 out and they get it all ready, and it's like, yeah, 0:45:25.520 --> 0:45:27.359 I think that there was an art to it for him. 0:45:27.400 --> 0:45:29.839 And I think that he's just like too smart for 0:45:29.880 --> 0:45:34.040 his own good in that. But you know I wish him, well, yeah, 0:45:34.120 --> 0:45:36.799 there you go, So yeah, you know what would make 0:45:36.800 --> 0:45:38.600 me feel better not being able to read a book 0:45:38.600 --> 0:45:40.799 of his though, as if I had a talk back. 0:45:41.280 --> 0:45:49.600 Oh Captain d. 0:45:45.320 --> 0:45:49.920 Oh, oh my god, he su. 0:45:52.040 --> 0:45:52.680 I went get. 0:45:55.960 --> 0:46:00.239 I just finished listening to your episode about Lady under 0:46:00.280 --> 0:46:04.600 the Psychic Horse, and I just want to say, well done. 0:46:05.200 --> 0:46:09.800 You guys outdid yourselves. It is probably now my favorite 0:46:10.040 --> 0:46:13.200 episode that you have ever done. So thank you for that, 0:46:13.520 --> 0:46:16.799 and thanks for being awesome and keep up the good work. 0:46:17.480 --> 0:46:17.800 Wow. 0:46:20.920 --> 0:46:23.359 We're always glad that somebody enjoys and has a new phase. 0:46:23.560 --> 0:46:28.520 Yeah, and that like positive message. 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