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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio. Look Out.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, I was just napping snuck in here.

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Speaker 1: Sleeping on the beach. Listen, you know what's ridiculous? Oh

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Speaker 1: please share?

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Speaker 2: All right, all right, I'm just gonna tell just you.

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Speaker 2: Last year at the well, you know the artist Pink.

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Speaker 1: The performer, she flings herself around exactly.

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Speaker 2: What the with the fabrics and stuff in the sky. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so they had she had her summer carnival tour last year,

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Speaker 2: very muscular. She was over there in the UK, right,

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Speaker 2: they think they call it the Britain. She was at

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Speaker 2: Hyde Park in London performing, right, and somebody's like, oh hey,

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Speaker 2: you know, like our fans will throw like stuff on stage,

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Speaker 2: Like if it's some people, they'll throw like a joint,

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Speaker 2: or they'll throw like a bra or like no, no,

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Speaker 2: like just fans in America, the fans in America, our fans,

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Speaker 2: I would call them root dudes. But like the fans

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Speaker 2: in America, when they like a music, she'll throw things

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Speaker 2: like drugs or like underwear. Right. Well, in the UK,

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Speaker 2: they threw a whole wheel of brie. And they just

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Speaker 2: gave her a wheel of bri. Right, She's like, oh, thanks.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what you do with this, but is

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Speaker 2: this Belgium?

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Speaker 1: Okay?

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Speaker 2: What is this tradition? That wasn't the weirdest thing she got.

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Speaker 2: Another fan was like, oh when I got something too

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Speaker 2: right and they threw up a baggy and in the

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Speaker 2: baggy was like a look like powder.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: She's like, what is this like heroin? I don't do

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Speaker 2: that kind of drugs? Like, oh, no, that's that's uh.

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Speaker 2: Turns out it was Ashes, Elizabeth no Ashes. Pink looked

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Speaker 2: at the fan and she said, and I quote, is

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Speaker 2: this your mom?

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Speaker 1: Stop it?

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Speaker 2: It was the fans cremated toss like, I don't know

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Speaker 2: if that's like like her mom loved Pink. She loved

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Speaker 2: Pink so much. She's like, here's my mom. I don't

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Speaker 2: know how this goes. Pink had a moment where someone

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Speaker 2: handed her first a wheel of bri and they're a

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Speaker 2: bag of cremain and she had to perform I didn't

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Speaker 2: even know the lives and stars leave.

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Speaker 1: The stars are just like us.

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Speaker 2: Ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what else is ridiculous? No, a hairdresser

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Speaker 1: changing the way banks build their vaults. Yeah, wow, this

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Speaker 1: is a ridiculous crime. A podcast about absurd and outrageous.

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Speaker 1: Caper's ice and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder

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Speaker 1: free and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Arren, Nope.

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Speaker 1: You ever cut your own hair?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all the time. Actually, most like the last I

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Speaker 2: don't know ten years, I'm the one to cut my hair.

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Speaker 2: I haven't been to a barber. I've been to a

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Speaker 2: barber once since the turn of this century. Really interesting,

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Speaker 2: I went to a barber, to a black barber in Oakland.

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Speaker 2: I said, give me Muhammad Ali, Nope, give me the

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Speaker 2: cash is clay, and and then he knew exactly what

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Speaker 2: I meant, and I made that distinction. So I got

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Speaker 2: this really cool, tight, like early sixties flat top, and

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Speaker 2: that was nice. That was the last time I got

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Speaker 2: a haircut. You were dreads back out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you were cutting off dreads when.

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Speaker 2: I did that. That's the first time I cut dress.

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Speaker 2: And then I grew them back out until now I

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Speaker 1: Interesting. You know I used to cut my own hair.

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Speaker 2: That seems a little more difficult than me doing well.

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Speaker 1: I went to a salon once and the hairdresser was

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Speaker 1: all cooked out and gave me like they always probably,

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Speaker 1: but she gave me the world's worst haircut, really, like

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Speaker 2: Then you look like a marine.

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Speaker 1: It was terrible, and I stopped going to salon's for

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Speaker 1: a long time after that. I just cut my hair

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Speaker 2: You have grown ass.

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Speaker 1: So I've been going to hairdressers ever since, and they've

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Speaker 2: What's that like? Has it stuff changed since the twentieth century.

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Speaker 1: Has My current hairdresser, Hannah, She's amazing and I love her.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes when she's cutting my hair, she has her little dog, Oscar,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Oscar has like no teeth and his tongue hangs out,

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Speaker 1: but it makes the haircut look and feel so much better. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's incredible. Most hairdressers are total artists, like Hannah is.

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Speaker 2: The hairs are medium.

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Speaker 1: It's a difficult medium in which to work, you know,

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Speaker 1: unforgiving totally, and like most are, that's someone you gotta tip. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: speaking on Tuesday about tipping, that's how you because something.

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Speaker 1: But it's high stakes, something really important. Yeah, Like if

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Speaker 2: Know had weeks, if not months, of looking.

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Speaker 1: For years in my case. So like most artists, many hairdressers,

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Speaker 1: they they're meticulous. They have a certain perspective, fine skills,

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Speaker 1: and they apply them to other things. It's like drawing

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Speaker 2: Often artistic or crime.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they're criming. There are criming hairdressers, of course,

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Speaker 1: why not. They exist.

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Speaker 2: They're there artists.

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Speaker 1: They're part of the crimer community too. Welcome in, and

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Speaker 1: they're sometimes successful and there's sometimes not.

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Speaker 2: Is it's like about that movie shampoo. That's always thing

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. Close. So there's actually a scam going

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Speaker 1: around right now with hairdressers. Oh really, And here's how

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Speaker 1: it happens. Someone posts somewhere like Facebook or something asking

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Speaker 1: for a recommendation for a stylist, and then a person

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Speaker 1: get my haircut, they hold the credit card. Oh really, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and then if I don't show, I get charged.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, holding a credit card not being charged, that's one thing.

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Speaker 2: But this like I've been paying a little juice to

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Speaker 1: And a lot of these scams they prey on people

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Speaker 1: who are looking for braiders because it's so expensive and

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Speaker 2: And also that person's only going to be able to

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Speaker 1: And you have hours and hours and hours.

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Speaker 1: And because it's so expensive, if you find out you

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Speaker 1: can get a discount, So like the phony braider will

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Speaker 1: So the Mark gets sent a link to a scheduling

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it seems because that's so common now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And then they show up at the appointment

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Speaker 1: and the owner of the salon, you're not on the books,

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Speaker 1: I've never even heard of this stylist. The Mark tries

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Speaker 2: This is what you always have to take things from

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, don't do it. And so But there are

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Speaker 1: bigger scammers of course. For example, Tina Roberts aka the

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Speaker 1: Black Widow. Right, it's a scary name. She was a

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Speaker 1: con artist. Some called her the devil in disguise. Now

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking she uh, steals scalps.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like she's going to use up a one

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Speaker 2: I thought, like scissors in the neck or some stuff.

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Speaker 2: One old man, we're getting it.

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Speaker 1: One victim called her that and then all the UK

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Speaker 2: UK tabloids are the worst about hyperboles.

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Speaker 1: Out of control.

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Speaker 2: You You cannot ever get a sense of scale or

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Speaker 2: This is never going to happen.

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Speaker 1: Again, exactly, Like, come on people, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I thought you guys were good, but history Tea Roberts.

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Speaker 1: The Black Widow, which I don't even know why you

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Speaker 2: Her this name, exactly, you're wasting it.

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Speaker 1: She doesn't really have like black hair.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of Peter than the Wolf. Yeah, or

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Speaker 2: no Peter, but crying wolf Peter's exactly.

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Speaker 1: So she Tina, she's running all these cons twenty eleven.

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Speaker 2: Did you imagine a hair salon where every haircutter had

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Speaker 2: in their own musical instruments Peter exactly. Yeah, and the

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Speaker 2: customers too. They also have.

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Speaker 1: The noisiest that's the way noisier than normally noisies.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm sorry, go on.

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Speaker 1: The Black Widow she gets convicted of scamming a terminally

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Speaker 1: ill cancer patient, banks clients as well as her own

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Speaker 1: friends for a million pounds. She posed as the England

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Speaker 1: rugby team's physiotherapist. It's like to establish credibility team. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And she said that she got that gig after she

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Speaker 1: saved the life of former English coach Sir Clive Woodward,

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Speaker 1: that she performed a tracheotomy at a school match.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right. Another former England coach was like, that's not true,

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Speaker 1: but right, So she's running this business where she's offering

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Speaker 1: people nutritional advice, sports therapy, massage, but she's not qualified

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Speaker 1: for it. She has like training in basic massage, and.

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Speaker 2: You do too. I think being an adult you have

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Speaker 1: Massage massaging dogs. So once she got a client, she'd

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Speaker 1: steal their credit card information to just go to town.

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Speaker 1: But that's not all. According to the Southern Daily Echo newspaper,

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Speaker 2: How did some lawyers say the things they say? How

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Speaker 1: He's done time for conning people in the exactly, and

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, we talk a lot. It's important to

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Speaker 1: And take people's Christmas money. She's she was brash, but

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Speaker 1: You talked about like who people, who you're going to

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Speaker 2: I don't do what is this? This is this good?

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm talking about a man who was so

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Speaker 2: How do you find these people? The thumbfardo Bill Smarto

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Speaker 1: In the seventies, you dream the story. He was a

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Speaker 1: In Deerfield, Illinois. I one day, I am just going

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Speaker 1: I've done all I can to find out more about

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Speaker 1: Ye Bonnie and John Barrow like John, call me wheel,

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Speaker 1: Yeah Barrow. So one of the places that they rented

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Speaker 1: But what Bobby Smarto was bringing in were tools bank

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Speaker 2: How good is the distraction? Guy is incredible? He's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: So Smarto. He had set the alarms to ring for

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Speaker 1: phase two of the heist. You are so welcome for

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Speaker 1: those ads. You're welcome world. So juicy, it's so juicy.

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Speaker 2: You have a napkin.

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Speaker 1: Clean yourself up. You're embarrassing yourself, William Smartos, I'll get

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Speaker 1: your rat owner and operator of the velvet brush hair

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Speaker 2: You use a velvet brush I've never even heard of.

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Speaker 2: They just put like a qualifier in front of brush. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: He is also a bank burglar. Yeah, hello, so dateline Sunday,

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Speaker 1: July twenty second, nineteen seventy nine, good Year, Deerfield, Illinois,

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Speaker 2: Drill his first thing he brought there for a while.

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Speaker 1: I brought some hammergers. He brought a drill, four crowbars,

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Speaker 1: two flashlights, a spork, two headlamps, two sledgehammers, three chisels.

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Speaker 2: He's throwing a party.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, three chisels, eight screwdrivers, a vice grip, a hacksaw,

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Speaker 2: Okay, you have anic machine, maybe some cocktail glasses.

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Speaker 1: So he's in this room, he's got his supplies tucked

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Speaker 2: You're invisible unless you're a house spanner because people are

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Speaker 1: Right, So Smarto he pulled a table over to a

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Speaker 1: like bits of plaster, metal, sharks, and Smarto says, when

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00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 1: I'm through, I hope somebody's going to clean up this mess.

436
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,600
Speaker 1: Gets an attitude that's the way, and the janitor's like

437
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,080
Speaker 1: size like yeah, I'll clean it up, and walks away.

438
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:31,199
Speaker 1: That's total. That's power move right.

439
00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 2: I had a friend who every time he got pulled over,

440
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,440
Speaker 2: he would hop out of his car and start asking

441
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,760
Speaker 2: the cops for directions or for help, and the cops

442
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:39,800
Speaker 2: always I don't want to deal with the do go

443
00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,840
Speaker 2: and would leave. I was like, you can't. It's brilliant

444
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:44,200
Speaker 2: I tried it once I got arrested.

445
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:46,439
Speaker 1: Hop out of the car. It will get you lit up.

446
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,479
Speaker 2: But I mean like he wouldn't like hop out like

447
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:51,520
Speaker 2: that way. He would do it before the cops even

448
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,800
Speaker 2: had it, Like he would pull over and get out immediately,

449
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 2: so they're not even thinking, and he wouldn't approach them.

450
00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:58,000
Speaker 2: He'd hop out and be like, oh, thank god, I

451
00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:02,240
Speaker 2: need your help them and then the company you're okay,

452
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 2: and the drive away.

453
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it is pretty smart.

454
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,120
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think throwing an attitude always throws people off. Yeah,

455
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,760
Speaker 2: they are unbalanced. They don't expect Yeah exactly, especially means

456
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 2: you you should be guilty.

457
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 1: So Smarto gets the janitor leave there, but like the

458
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 1: attention kind of spooked him. Okay, so they can like yeah,

459
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,439
Speaker 1: so the well, the janitor doesn't care. He's like, this

460
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,680
Speaker 1: guy's a jerk. He's like every other you know, mean,

461
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,239
Speaker 1: this guy comes in here attitude. But Smart's like this

462
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,159
Speaker 1: is this isn't good. So he gives up on the

463
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,200
Speaker 1: Deerfield bank, looks for another target, just ditches it.

464
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 2: Wow like that.

465
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, William and Vincent, they knew what they wanted. They

466
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 1: wanted banks in rich neighborhoods. So the next stop, first

467
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 1: National Bank of Barrington. It's another Chicago suburbs. So Smarto

468
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 1: he gets the box under the alias, and like last time,

469
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,439
Speaker 1: he visits it dozens and dozens of time. Each time

470
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 1: he'd bring tools to stash in the boxes and in

471
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 1: the ceiling tiles, and four flashlights this time, a sledgehammer,

472
00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,880
Speaker 1: a crowbar, three screwdrivers, tape bat he's a wire stripper.

473
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,440
Speaker 2: A trowel, a seventy eight TA.

474
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 1: Player, hizsors, plyers, steel bolts, and he brought a change

475
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:09,680
Speaker 1: of clothes to hide in there.

476
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 2: And no food this time, change of clothes.

477
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,360
Speaker 1: And he did the whole alarm clock in the ceiling thing.

478
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 2: So I got found. I wasn't hungry, but I definitely wanted.

479
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 1: To really did want a new outfit, So costume change. Saturday,

480
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 1: April eleventh, nineteen eighty one, the regular vault attendant was

481
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 1: on vacation and no one else was on duty. And

482
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 1: then all investigators could later figure was that Smarto used

483
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 1: a credit card to get past a glass door that

484
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 1: led to the vault. Wow, so like Jimmy's his way in.

485
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 1: Then he crawled up to the top of the safety

486
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 1: deposit boxes and dropped into a corner where there was

487
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 1: a twenty four inch square open space.

488
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 2: And that's between like between the corner and the wall.

489
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, so like there are two walls of safe deposit

490
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 1: boxes and where they meet the corner, there's that empty

491
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 1: square space I got. Yeah, so bank employees they had

492
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,880
Speaker 1: no idea that there was a dead space in that corner. Never,

493
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,479
Speaker 1: they never thought about it the vault store because this

494
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 1: is a Saturday. The vault store closes at one o'clock.

495
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 1: And then it was one of those timelock jobsday. Yeah,

496
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 1: seven thirty in the morning Monday, they got a wait,

497
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 1: so one o'clock vault locks. Ten minutes later, the alarm

498
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: went off and the police arrived. They'd checked the bank,

499
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 1: they couldn't find anything suspicious. You know, they leave. Ten

500
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 1: minutes after that, the alarm goes off again. Now both

501
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,880
Speaker 1: the cops the bank employees, they're thinking the alarm's malfunctioning.

502
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 1: This is you know, we got a squirrel on the

503
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 1: cable totally, and so the alarm was tripping because Smarto

504
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,919
Speaker 1: was like getting himself situated and setting up. But it

505
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 1: was this genius plan, or was it serendipity whatever. Everyone's

506
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 1: ignoring the alarms. So Smarto's in there for the weekend now,

507
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 1: and he's ready to get chopping' Come Monday morning. A

508
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 1: bank teller sitting in her car in the bank parking

509
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: lot before the bank opened, saw a man in work

510
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 1: clothes come out the bank carrying two Duffel bags.

511
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 2: He waited till Monday morning.

512
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 3: Seven.

513
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 1: Well, he was stuck in the vault.

514
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 2: Of course, right right right seven thirty.

515
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 1: It opens up, So she's waiting, like she probably starts

516
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: at eight, so.

517
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 2: You can just open from the inside it. So it's

518
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 2: seven thirty. That's interesting. Yeah, I guess spin the wheel.

519
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 2: Yeah huh.

520
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 1: And so she sees or maybe like it opened up

521
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: and then he popped out of the dead space. Anyway,

522
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 1: she sees a guy in work clothes coming out of

523
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 1: the bank carrying two Duffel bags, and she thinks that's

524
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: a little weird.

525
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 2: Yeah.

526
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 1: She goes into work and she sees the same guy

527
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 1: leaving the vault again, this time with another two Duffle bags,

528
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 1: and she's liked, well, it must be a maintenance guy.

529
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: I mean, after all, we had those alarm issues on Saturday.

530
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 1: We had all thoseuffle backs, dead squirrels that did shoot

531
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:45,679
Speaker 1: through the water. Yeah, zaren close your eyes always, I

532
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 1: always do do all right. Here we go, I want

533
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: you to picture it. It's Monday, April thirteenth, nineteen eighty one.

534
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: You're a customer of First National Bank of Barrington and

535
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,360
Speaker 1: you want to access your safety deposit box. You hop

536
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,880
Speaker 1: out of your lemon yellow nineteen eighty Cadillac El Dorado

537
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: and make your way into the bank. You're whistling what

538
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: you think is the song at the top of the charts,

539
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 1: Kiss on My List by Hollan Oates, but you can't

540
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,239
Speaker 1: really carry a tune. It's close, though, it's close. You

541
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 1: enter the bank, people chatting and musac coming filling the air.

542
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: You ask to be taken to the safety deposit boxes.

543
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 1: As you present your key and the clerk goes to

544
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 1: open the box for you, something weird happens. The lock

545
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: falls into the box, and while your bandana collection and

546
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: stacks of rare two dollar bills should have padded, the

547
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 1: locks tumble instead. You hear a clanging sound. The box

548
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 1: is empty. You and the bank employee stare at each

549
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 1: other for a moment, and then he gingerly lifts a

550
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,640
Speaker 1: finger and presses the face of the lock on the

551
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: box next to yours. It slides easily away from the

552
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,719
Speaker 1: door of the box and clatters loudly into the empty box,

553
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 1: metal on metal, just like yours. You are quickly ushered

554
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: from the vault and told to wait in the glass

555
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: walled meeting room that looks over the bank floor. Muzak

556
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: fills the empty room as you watch the clerk scurry

557
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: to the bank manager, tuck his head down and whisper something.

558
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,439
Speaker 1: The manager looks at the clerk, shock briefly flashing across

559
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: her face. She immediately regains her composure and picks up

560
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 1: the phone. You watch her have a quick conversation, her

561
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 1: face stone serious. You pull a rolled up copy of

562
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: Highlights magazine from your back pocket and start to flip through.

563
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: You've done all the puzzle challenges and read all the stories.

564
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: You toss the magazine in the trash. You reach into

565
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: your other back pocket and you pull out a calculator.

566
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: You type in fifty eight thousand and eight five eight

567
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 1: zero zero eight. Then you flip the calculator upside down.

568
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 1: The display reads boobs. You chuckle and return the calculator

569
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: to your back pocket, from the front chest pocket to

570
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: your short sleeve button down shirt. You take a folded

571
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 1: up piece of paper. You gently open it, careful with

572
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: the war increases and frayed edges. It's the abstract for

573
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: Torsen v CLLs and David Huble's about to be Nobel

574
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 1: winning research the ocular dominance columns. Oh yeah, you were

575
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: just positive that in six months time they'll get the

576
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: award for their work after all. By depriving kittens from

577
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: using one eye, they showed that columns in the primary

578
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: visual cortex receiving inputs from the other eye took over

579
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: the areas that would normally receive input from the deprived eye.

580
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: The kittens also did not develop areas receiving input from

581
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: both eyes, a feature needed for binocular vision. Their experiments,

582
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: saren showed that the ocular dominance develops irreversibly early in

583
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: childhood development, and these studies opened the door for the

584
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: understanding and treatment of childhood cataracts.

585
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 2: A brutal but beautiful good assigns.

586
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: They were also important to the study of cortical plasticity

587
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: and so just then, though, just then you see movement

588
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: out of the corner of your eye. Suits coming into

589
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: the bank with purpose. You fold up the document and

590
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: place it in your shirt pocket. These guys are definitely FEDS.

591
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: You just want to know what happened to all the

592
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: stuff in your safety deposit box. The clerk comes to

593
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: get you and takes you back to the vault. The

594
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: FBI agents swarmed the vault, peering into masses of empty boxes,

595
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: and the agent walks you over to the remains of

596
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: your safety deposit box. Can you confirm this box is yours? Yep?

597
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,479
Speaker 1: You tell him and U there were items in there

598
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: last time you checked. Yep. He sighs and hands you

599
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: a form telling you to list all the items in

600
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: the box and provide your contact information. You walk out

601
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: to your Cadillac, positive you'll never disclose. The extent of

602
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: your bandana collection never saren So the FEDS took inventory,

603
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: and they worked out that one hundred and fifty safety

604
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: deposit boxes were very neatly broken into seventy four of

605
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: them emptied out. More than a million in cash, as

606
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: well as gold, coins and other valuables, all gone. After

607
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: Smarto punched the locks out, he replaced all of the

608
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: cylinders in the boxes and swept up the mess meticulous.

609
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: He hid all the trash in the ceiling, so the

610
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: vault looked totally normal when it was opened, and the

611
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: he's walking back and forth bringing bags out doesn't look fishy.

612
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: How did he get out? He hid in that corner

613
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: dead space until the vault door was opened Monday morning,

614
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: and according to US attorney Alan Grossman, quote, he took

615
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: the risk that no one would be waiting outside the

616
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: vault Monday morning because the alarm had gone off twice.

617
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: He just calmly walked out. And then FBI agent Leroy

618
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: Heinbach he said that it was the first successful looting

619
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: of a safety deposit box vault in the United States. Really, yeah,

620
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: us a number what yeah, Federal prosecutors said, whoever did

621
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: it was a quote criminal genius. No, let's take a break.

622
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: When we come back, I'm going to tell you more

623
00:30:43,360 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: about this criminal genius. Get back here there, Oh hey,

624
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: get back any here.

625
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

626
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: William Smarto hairdresser, bank.

627
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 2: Burglar, Billy Smarto.

628
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: Bad Billy Smarto. By the way, he was still a

629
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: hairstylist this whole time. I love it, running perms, stubbing

630
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: out grays, just the whole deal.

631
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 2: I was walking like early eighties perms like the like

632
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: ay curl, spiral.

633
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: Farms tight yeah, tight, tight tight, frizzy, and and stealing

634
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: from safety deposit boxes with the help of his brother

635
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: also frizzy, Yeah, super frizzy. They had no reason to stop.

636
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: No Vincent rented safety deposit boxes again, this time at

637
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: the First National Bank of Lake Forest, and once again

638
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: under the name John Barrow, and once again William Smarto

639
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: made a ton of visits case the place stored his tools,

640
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. At the Barrington job, he'd almost been

641
00:31:58,720 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: a Robin Hood.

642
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 2: Oh really Yeah.

643
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: He was going through the boxes and if he felt

644
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: like he saw things in there that like mortgage notes

645
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: or records that looked like the owner of the box

646
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: couldn't afford to lose what was in there, he'd leave

647
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: it alone. So that's why about half the boxes that

648
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: were busted into weren't emptied. So he's like, that looks

649
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: like these people need this.

650
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I respect Yeah.

651
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: So back to Lake Forest. He visited the rented boxes

652
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,719
Speaker 1: fifty one times between mid January and he won fifty

653
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,479
Speaker 1: one and Labor Day of nineteen eighty two, so more

654
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: than once a week.

655
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 2: That's I mean, they all know you, They totally know

656
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 2: him to have stories about you.

657
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

658
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: And at one point he had to bring in big

659
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: items like wooden shelves.

660
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 2: Why how are you going to say, I'm going to

661
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 2: put these in They're very important. My grandfather bought these back.

662
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: In shelves to put you wanted to put shelving in

663
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: the ceiling, the drop ceiling.

664
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 2: Watch.

665
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: So what he did is he'd put them in boxes

666
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: and said they were pieces of art and that he

667
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: was a collector.

668
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 2: How big are these boxes? I don't know how big

669
00:32:58,960 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 2: are these shells?

670
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: Let me there was like, ikea flat pack is what

671
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: I'm kind of imagining that he had to put it together. Wow,

672
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: it's you know, he's a It's part of his sick artistry.

673
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: Here a flat So here we are, Friday, September third,

674
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty two. Aberca dabber by the Steve Miller band

675
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: is at the top of the charts. First National Bank

676
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: of Lake I want to read and grab you. A

677
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: customer at the bank, an old man. He had to

678
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: use the bathroom.

679
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, as they do.

680
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: Aren't you so happy that I didn't use this as

681
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: the picture it.

682
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 2: I'm actually surprised the word.

683
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: I'm a little surprised too. So the guy uses the can.

684
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: He comes out and he tells a bank employee that

685
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: a wooden panel had fallen in.

686
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 2: There for a couple of hours.

687
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like a wooden panel fell from the ceiling.

688
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: And the guy's like, dang, dude, what you doing there? No,

689
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: that's not what he said. That is what sounds.

690
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 2: I blew it out.

691
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, like it was major. So they call the superintendent

692
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: and maintenance, who goes to replace the panel. The only

693
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: thing is he goes up the ladder to slide the

694
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: panel in place, and he sees something eyes eyeballs staring

695
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: back at him. He was face to face with the

696
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: hiding William Smarto.

697
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 2: He didn't think to move, I could back up.

698
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: He just froze. Apparently Smarto had planned to spend the

699
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: weekend like breaking into the safety deposit boxes, and then

700
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,240
Speaker 1: he was going to leave the morning of September fifth,

701
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 1: like in jogging clothes. He had jogging clothes with him,

702
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,240
Speaker 1: and he had stashed his van nearby at Lake Forest College.

703
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 2: He's a very new trend.

704
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and he had like his whold backstory. And

705
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 1: so anyway, the police they found seven bags containing tools

706
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 1: for breaking into safety deposits. Every time he brings more

707
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:50,399
Speaker 1: and more stuff. This time he had an industrial sized jackhammer,

708
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: a powerful land. He had teleand thermal lance. He had

709
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 1: an electric saw to cut the hinges off the safe

710
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: deposit boxes. He's like, it took too long to punch

711
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: the locks. Let's just cut the hinges. He had a

712
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: bottle of water, you know, stay hydrated.

713
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 2: Oh you're you're a kind of okay. Yeah, and he

714
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 2: also thinking like you doing a chemistry thing.

715
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, just for sippons. And then he had an

716
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: empty bottle to pee intwo, Why just p in the corner?

717
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

718
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: He had a radio, an alarm, clock, gloves, scissors, two flashlights, pliers,

719
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: five screwdrivers, and then his jogging and it took us

720
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: to the Cubs game. Yeah. And January twelfth, nineteen eighty three,

721
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 1: he pleads guilty to charges of burglary and possession of

722
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: burglary tools, and he got sentenced to three years by

723
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: Judge John L. Hughes. Now the judge said he hoped

724
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: that the sentence with John Hughes, John Hughes, John Carl

725
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: John L.

726
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 2: Hughes was like, Okay, I heard that.

727
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, judge said that he'd hope the.

728
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 2: Sentence Saturday detention.

729
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: It would deter possible copycats. And the judge said, quote,

730
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: it almost seems like it's a script for a television

731
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: show or a movie.

732
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 2: Are we sure this isn't John Hughes's dad, right, I'm

733
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 2: saying about those other brother.

734
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: So Barrington police FBI agents they question him about Deerfield

735
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: and Barrington the previous two no arrests had been made

736
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: in those and they know fully the m O John

737
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: Barrow had rented boxes at all three banks. And just

738
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 1: like that, Smarto is BA BA busted for everything.

739
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.

740
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,240
Speaker 1: July of eighty four, while America is gripped with Olympic fever,

741
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: Ricardo and his brother Vincent they're indicted by a grand

742
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 1: jury for the safety deposit box robbery of First National

743
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: Bank in Barrington.

744
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 2: So he missed out on all of Edwin, Moses.

745
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: Great, everything, Flow, Joe everything, Lewis. Yeah, they plead not guilty.

746
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 1: In February of the next year, Smarto he gets convicted

747
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 1: of bank burglary and conspiracy in federal court. Was flowed

748
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: in eighty four was eighty eight, I'm jumping forward anyway,

749
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: So he gets convicted. He's looking at fifty five years

750
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: in prison. And Vincent was also charged, but he was

751
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 1: really sick. He didn't stand trial. He had a severe

752
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: heart attack, open heart surgery. His lawyers like, he can't

753
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: take the stress of a trial. They're like, you know what,

754
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: never mind, We'll just let it go. And according to

755
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: an AFFI, David Smarto asked Vincent to open the safe

756
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: deposit boxes, open those accounts at the three banks, and

757
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: that around that time Smarto was quote involved in a

758
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: bitter divorce and was trying to conceal assets from his wife.

759
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,280
Speaker 2: So we found a way to blame a woman.

760
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, pretty much, there was his wife, it exactly.

761
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: And then Williams said that Vincent knew nothing about any

762
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: of these bank robberies. I just thought he was getting

763
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 1: you know, I want to hide my stuff in these

764
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 1: safe deposit boxes. I like that both Smarto and his

765
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: brother Vincent. They requested severance of counts because Vincent didn't

766
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 1: participate to the extent that William Smarto did, and the

767
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 1: criminal acts on the indictment or quote not all of

768
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 1: the same or similar character. So in a plea for leniency,

769
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: begging at the mercy of the court. Smarto's defense attorney,

770
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: William's defense attorney pointed out that his crime was nonviolent

771
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: and that he himself was a caring father of two sons,

772
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: a sixteen year old and a twelve year old, and

773
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: he went to point out that there was no evidence

774
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 1: that Smarto had accumulated any wealth, you know, since the robbery.

775
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 2: It was a blowing money on thanks for yeah, And.

776
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: So April twenty third, nineteen eighty five, he gets sentenced

777
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:33,240
Speaker 1: to twenty years in prison by US District Judge Marvin Aspen.

778
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 2: So no leniency, what you're telling me?

779
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 1: Oh? Hold on. So he gets sentenced for the three

780
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 1: bank jobs, even though one of them is the only

781
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: one that was successful.

782
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 2: But they can connect them bridezily.

783
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the stolen goods were not recovered at this point.

784
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: And so he also gets fined twenty five thousand dollars

785
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,720
Speaker 1: by Judge Aspen, who called Smarto quote a very bright,

786
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: multifaceted person, multifaceted, and they say you got to start

787
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 1: serving your sentence immediately. He maintains his innocence.

788
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,479
Speaker 2: He's like, sir, if I was so multifaceted, why would

789
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 2: I wear this facet.

790
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he says like, I can't give you the

791
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: loot because I don't I didn't do it. I have

792
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: no idea where it is. Judge asspen not buying it though,

793
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: he said, now listen, I will reduce your sentence in

794
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: exchange for you owning up to what you did and

795
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: you have to assist the authorities with recovering the missing items.

796
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: Next thing you know, an anonymous package is left at

797
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: Smarto's lawyer's office. FBI goes to pick it up. They

798
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: said it was obvious that the thing had been sitting

799
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: in a river somewhere. It was like damp, moldy, gross,

800
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: it smelled terrible. Inside over four hundred pieces of jewelry

801
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 1: and other items, A bunch of them, though, were catalog

802
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: is quote tarnished and or damaged, and so, according to

803
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,919
Speaker 1: court documents, prosecutors said Smarto was quote try to pull

804
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: a fast one due to the fact that the most

805
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: expensive pieces were not returned and the ones that were

806
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 1: returned were damaged because like the gemstones had been pride,

807
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 1: so they were like brooches and rings, and one of

808
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: them was a ten carrot ring. This is a rein

809
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: carrot diamond ring. Yeah, so some of the items not recovered.

810
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: Another ten carrot diamond ring valued it one hundred and

811
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: twenty eight thousand dollars at the time, Wow, which is

812
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: like three hundred and seventy k today. A platinum engagement

813
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: ring worth thirty eight thousand dollars gold coins valued it,

814
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: you know, almost thirty four thousand dollars. A platinum emerald

815
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: ring through fifteen thousand and approach valued at ten thousand dollars,

816
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 1: which is like nearly twenty nine thousand. Smackaroos.

817
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 2: I love those conversion.

818
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: God, I love the conversions. I had him for all

819
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:46,760
Speaker 1: of them. I was like holding on to him. So anyway,

820
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 1: because of this, the US Attorney's Office recommended against the

821
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,720
Speaker 1: sentence reduction. They're like, you know, he didn't give everything back.

822
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: He obviously sold a bunch of stuff. Judge Aspen, he

823
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: didn't listen. He reduced Smarto's twenty years sentenced to eight

824
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: years due to the quote the defendant's substantial but incomplete

825
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: restitution of the stolen items.

826
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 2: Wow, and get him good faith.

827
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: But then on top of that, he he sentenced him

828
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: to five hundred hours of community service upon release and

829
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: quote cooperation with law enforcement and banking authorities in developing

830
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: internal security programs to combat potential bank robberies.

831
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 2: But five hundred hours a community service, what is that?

832
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 2: Two full months of eight hour days, five days a week. Well,

833
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 2: so he had two months of work. Yeah, not that much,

834
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 2: come on.

835
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: So he had. But he tell like, the bigger thing

836
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: is that the judge says, you got to work with

837
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: the FBI to come up with protocols for banks to

838
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 1: use to avoid people like you.

839
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, teach, it's what you know.

840
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: And thanks to him, that's why bank vaults don't have

841
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,280
Speaker 1: false ceilings anymore or dead corners.

842
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 2: Thanks to him. Thanks to him, they decided that was

843
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 2: a bad idea.

844
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: He worked with the FBI to estatl.

845
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 2: With that on their own.

846
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 1: Now they needed him, so wow, smarto. He sent the

847
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: judge Judge Aspen, a handwritten letter sharing the quote happy

848
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 1: reaction of himself and his loved ones to the reduction

849
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: of the sentence and this part of his release, like

850
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 1: when he got paroled, he was allowed to travel, and

851
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: so he's on parole. He in nineteen eighty nine, he

852
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: went to New Orleans. Nineteen ninety he went to Spain.

853
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: He went to Wisconsin twice.

854
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 4: He's traveling wells from Chicago, but he went to he

855
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 4: got a new wife, wife wife, new wife, Bermuda, that

856
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 4: went and it was never brought up, like how are

857
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 4: you funding these these trips all this.

858
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:46,760
Speaker 2: You know whatever questions.

859
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: Twenty eleven, he popped up again, this time as a

860
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: real estate broker, and he hadn't burgled another bank, but

861
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: his eighty five conviction had come back to haunt him

862
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: all those years later. The Illinois Department of Financial and

863
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: Professional regular they issued a disciplinary order and they placed

864
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: his real estate broker license William Smarto of Lake Villa,

865
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: on probation for five years and then Restrictedlycenger as a

866
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 1: managing broker for five years due to his eighty five

867
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: felony conviction. Now, all I could find was the order.

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Speaker 1: So my guess is that he was acting as a

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Speaker 1: doesn't seem fair to me because like he did his time,

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Speaker 1: he paid his debts in the way that we're prescribed

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Speaker 1: to him. I think he's still kicking today. There's an

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Speaker 1: episode of Masterminds about him, but it doesn't tell much

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Speaker 1: about his personality, just that he's this genius who was

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Speaker 1: respected by law enforcement who hunted him, But I wish

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Speaker 1: I knew more about him as a person. Yeah, how

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Speaker 1: did he get into hairdressing? What did he think about

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Speaker 1: his crimes? How did his life go after he got out?

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Speaker 2: Why did you think about the development of the Rachel?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Where is hairstyle? What I'm trying to say is I

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Speaker 1: want him to write a book. Oh yeah, it might

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Speaker 1: not be too late. No, he has not written a book.

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Speaker 1: Please write a book, Zaren. I'm going to cut you

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Speaker 1: off before you ask me. My ridiculous takeaway is that

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Speaker 1: I hope he writes a book. Oh man, what's your

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Speaker 1: ridiculous take.

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Speaker 2: Whyl was the takeaway? Thank you for asking his He

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Speaker 2: didn't write a book.

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Speaker 1: He didn't write a book.

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Speaker 2: That's wild. He didn't write it in all honesty. Do

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Speaker 2: you think that like he doesn't have a chip on

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Speaker 2: his shoulder right about being like you know, it's not like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I'm not a tough guy because I'm a hairdresser, right

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Speaker 2: and he's not like a he doesn't have a chip

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Speaker 2: on his shoulder. Like people didn't think I was smart.

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Speaker 2: So I'm going to burn these people. Yeah, what was

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Speaker 2: the motivator? Because it seems like he's kind of like

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Speaker 2: like why did he have to do the Like I

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Speaker 2: just I know where I'm asking a very large question,

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Speaker 2: but like what do you suspect did he get a

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Speaker 2: thrill out of it? Like getting over on the people

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Speaker 2: from what you read? Like, yeah, is it the artist

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Speaker 2: in him? Like you know how an artist can very

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Speaker 2: much enjoy either a performance or the or the the

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Speaker 2: pla stick act of creation. You know, It's like, was

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Speaker 2: this his I think so?

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Speaker 1: I think so. I think that he recognized the vulnerabilities

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Speaker 1: I could totally do this, and there was an art

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Speaker 1: to it. He was so meticulous and so careful in

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Speaker 1: all the planning and all the time, and it's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, you go to get your hair done and

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Speaker 1: they're going to dye your hair and they lay everything

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Speaker 1: out and they get it all ready, and it's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that there was an art to it for him.

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Speaker 1: And I think that he's just like too smart for

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Speaker 1: his own good in that. But you know I wish him, well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: there you go, So yeah, you know what would make

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Speaker 1: me feel better not being able to read a book

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Speaker 1: of his though, as if I had a talk back.

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Speaker 1: Oh Captain d.

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Speaker 2: Oh, oh my god, he su.

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Speaker 3: I went get.

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Speaker 5: I just finished listening to your episode about Lady under

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Speaker 5: the Psychic Horse, and I just want to say, well done.

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Speaker 5: You guys outdid yourselves. It is probably now my favorite

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Speaker 5: episode that you have ever done. So thank you for that,

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Speaker 5: and thanks for being awesome and keep up the good work.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: We're always glad that somebody enjoys and has a new phase.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that like positive message. We haven't really gotten

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Speaker 1: any negative talkbacks.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, except for my mother.

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Speaker 1: We wouldn't censor them if we did.

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Speaker 2: Get why did you do that? You're embarrassing the family.

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