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Speaker 1: What do you do when life doesn't go according to

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Speaker 1: plan that moment you lose a job, or a loved one,

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Speaker 1: or even a piece of yourself. I'm Brookshields and this

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Speaker 1: is now What a podcast about pivotal moments as told

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Speaker 1: by people who lived them. Each week, I sit down

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Speaker 1: with a guest to talk about the times they were

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Speaker 1: knocked off course and what they did to move forward.

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Speaker 1: Some stories are funny, others are gut wrenching, but all

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Speaker 1: are unapologetically human and remind us that every success and

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Speaker 1: every setback is accompanied by a choice.

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Speaker 2: And that choice answers one question. Now what.

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Speaker 1: I'm loving your book flipping box cars? Now, can you

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Speaker 1: tell the audience what that means?

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Speaker 2: Because in my.

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Speaker 1: World it was actually flipping box cars with your middle finger.

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Speaker 2: That was something.

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Speaker 1: My mom is from Newark, New Jersey, and that was

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Speaker 1: what I thought it was.

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Speaker 3: But you know, my grandfather was a dice roll of

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Speaker 3: famous dice player. And again in the forties, dice players

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Speaker 3: were like akin to the poker players that we know today.

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Speaker 3: You know how we today poker players are famous and

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Speaker 3: you know who they are. You can name different ones.

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Speaker 3: And so my grandfather was one of those guys. And

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Speaker 3: the box cars is two sixes and it's a rare thing.

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Speaker 3: I think it's it paid something crazy like thirty to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you call, we have got a call it

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Speaker 2: that I do know.

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Speaker 1: But then would you have to have other people hold

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Speaker 3: This ramblers there like they will get somebody's cheating, right,

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Speaker 3: because it's all about this this feel and this kind

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Speaker 2: My guest today is a game changer.

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Speaker 1: Cedric Kyles, better known as Cedric the Entertainer. He's a comedian, actor,

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Speaker 1: game show host, and much much more. He got a

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Speaker 1: his work in blockbuster franchises like Barbershop and Madagascar. Since

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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, he starred in CBS's The Neighborhood. But it's

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Speaker 1: his latest venture as an author that has my attention.

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Speaker 1: His new book, Flipping Boxcars was a thrill to read,

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Speaker 1: and I loved talking to Cedric about the real life inspiration.

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Speaker 2: Behind the story.

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Speaker 1: He's someone I greatly admire and I can't wait for

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Speaker 2: Here is Cedric the Entertainer.

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Speaker 1: I'm loving the book. I just I want to know

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Speaker 1: everybody that that's in it. Why did you decide to

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Speaker 1: write this book about your grandfather?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 3: You know, it was interesting. It was this kind of thing.

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Speaker 3: I grew up in a single parent household, so my mom,

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Speaker 3: it was just me, my mom, and my little sister,

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Speaker 3: He had passed before I was born, but my mom

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Speaker 3: would say I would just do certain things just like him.

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Speaker 3: So it's like a DNA thing, right where the connected

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Speaker 1: How much of the book is real? I mean, is it?

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Speaker 1: Did you have to really balance?

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Speaker 2: Was there anybody alive who knew him, Oh, for sure.

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Speaker 1: I can totally see this as a Broadway like a

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Speaker 1: it takes place in the forties. Yes, so much of

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Speaker 1: We were just like that little boy with the fedora

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Speaker 3: How you sir? Yeah? Now I was a pretty dapper

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 1: My mother would buy only from thrift shops. And then

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Speaker 2: But I looked I looked like I was auditioning for newsies.

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I think, you know, one of one of the

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Speaker 1: I love thinking about where people are when they were

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Speaker 1: And was there a formative moment or time in your

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Probably, you know, I think that once we moved

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Speaker 3: And so when she said Cedric Antonio Kyle's, do you

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Speaker 3: That was moments where you decide, like I'm this guy,

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Speaker 1: Did you do impressions like even as a kid, for like,

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I could do like of course, like the teachers

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Speaker 3: All my friends be like, wait till say it show up.

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Speaker 1: gives longevity to a career because you're not going to

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Speaker 1: stay creative, which you have done. I mean American Buffalo

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Speaker 1: I'm so sad I didn't get to see you in it,

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Speaker 1: because I love I loved I love that play.

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Speaker 2: But that's no joke.

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Speaker 3: It was no joke. Definitely my hardest thing I ever

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Speaker 3: I would lean to my comedy. But to do American Buffalo,

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Speaker 3: to do Broadway was the first time that I had

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Speaker 3: to understand that Broadway is about the playwright and it's

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Speaker 3: not about the actor. The actor is there as a

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Speaker 3: vessel for the play.

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Speaker 2: So so word perfect.

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Speaker 3: Word perfect, right, And so you know, as a comedia,

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Speaker 3: you know, you like, you know, if you get it

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Speaker 3: stuck in the moment, you know, you used to being

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Speaker 3: able to use your wits and just like kill it.

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Speaker 3: And so I remember like just how hard that was

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Speaker 3: for me to kind of you know, entertain like kind

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Speaker 3: but you know, working with John Leguizamo on there and

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Speaker 3: he just and he'd actually did the movie Honeymooners with me,

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Speaker 3: so we knew each other and it just ended up

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Speaker 3: being a great, you know, space for me to you know,

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Speaker 3: like really kind of get off and learn about acting,

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Speaker 3: like real acting. And it was probably one of my

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Speaker 1: And realized what you are really capable of, you know,

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Speaker 1: which you just don't know and stretching as a as

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Speaker 1: you have to be an athlete. I mean, you're doing

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Speaker 1: eight a week and you have to be an athlete, yes,

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Speaker 1: and then when something works one night and it doesn't

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Speaker 1: and then I would come off stage and you just

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Speaker 1: say to the stage manager, don't give me a note

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Speaker 1: about that, because I know I was being greedy and

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Speaker 1: I will not do it tomorrow. But is there a

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Speaker 1: anything that you are most proud of?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think that I really just kind of

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Speaker 3: love the fact that I've had this great career that

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Speaker 3: that feels like it's always been kind of on an

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Speaker 3: up with trajectory. I feel really proud that, you know,

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Speaker 3: I've never had any like, you know, crazy, you know

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Speaker 3: downfalls that you know that that came with me being

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Speaker 3: in the news of being chased by the police in

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Speaker 3: the middle of the night. You know, I think there

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Speaker 3: was exciting for my true Hollywood story. I might just

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Speaker 3: do one, just just just for my true Alleywood stories,

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Speaker 3: like just pick a night where I'm just gonna go

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Speaker 3: with a wild chase and let people like going a

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Speaker 3: drunk victory.

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Speaker 1: I used to say, I wonder if I can fake

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Speaker 1: check myself into rehab because I would say, it's like

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Speaker 1: I didn't have that, So I'm like, what can I

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Speaker 1: do where it's really not a downfall, but then I

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Speaker 1: at least get a reputation at least.

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Speaker 3: To do a whole joke about it. I need it.

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Speaker 3: In Hollywood, you need a scandal agent. Yes, you need

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Speaker 3: to have your regular agent in and an agent that

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Speaker 3: knows how to put you in a scandal so that

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Speaker 3: you can become really popular.

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Speaker 2: That was Cedric the entertainer.

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Speaker 1: If you want to hear more from him, go pick

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Speaker 1: up a copy of his new book, Flipping Box Cars,

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Speaker 1: available online and at major retailers. I loved it, and

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Speaker 1: I hope you do too. That's it for us today.

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Speaker 2: Talk to you next week now.

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Speaker 1: What with Broke Shields is a production of iHeartRadio. Our

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Speaker 1: lead producer and wonderful showrunner is Julia Weaver. Additional research

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Speaker 1: and editing by Darby Masters and Abu Zafar. Our executive

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Speaker 1: producer is Christina Everett. The show is mixed by Baheed Fraser.