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Speaker 1: Do you know what a financialist kill chain is or

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Speaker 1: how it's going to be the end of nations. Well

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Speaker 1: it's time for you to join me and my guest E. M.

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Speaker 1: Burling Game on the David Rutherford Show. As a person

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Speaker 1: that we're seeing emerge on the Internet, from the Martyr

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Speaker 1: Made podcast to revisionist history podcasts. So all of this,

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Speaker 1: I find myself really trying to get focused on individuals

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Speaker 1: the details of history, not just you know, to synthesize

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Speaker 1: it or give a glossy overview. And so as I

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Speaker 1: was preparing to go on on Dan Halloway's show Than

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Speaker 1: Citizen podcast, which I highly recommend for everybody, it's a

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Speaker 1: great show, I was doing my research. I came across

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Speaker 1: a gentleman named Iamburling Game and who you know, obviously

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Speaker 1: you look at his resume, you know, former Green Beret.

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Speaker 1: He's a researcher. He's an author, you know, I and

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Speaker 1: I started following him and what I quickly began to

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Speaker 1: realize was that his grasp and understanding of history and

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Speaker 1: it is not only impeccable, but it's it's absolute. It

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Speaker 1: provokes such a deeper sense of thinking that it sucked

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Speaker 1: and next thing you know, we started chatting, and he

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Speaker 1: started feeding me a lot of his his stuff that's

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Speaker 1: and I really began to go, Wow, this guy has

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Speaker 1: a deeper understanding that I really want to share with

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Speaker 1: my audience. So, em Man, it is such a privilege

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Speaker 1: to have you on. I'm really excited about digging into

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Speaker 1: the Financialist kill chain article you wrote, h and so

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us today.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's my pleasure.

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Speaker 3: You're I don't generally engage with people very often other

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Speaker 3: than a small group, but the things that you were

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Speaker 3: putting up and your commentary on it was like, Okay, well,

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Speaker 3: this is a guy that he gets it more than

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Speaker 3: certainly more than most of the soft guys, but more

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Speaker 1: So well, thank you. You know. One of the I

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Speaker 1: think the difficult things that you know, I talk about

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Speaker 1: often with with my other friends is, you know, we're

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Speaker 1: there's a representation of our communities that you know, are

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Speaker 1: are putting out really interesting content and it's you know,

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Speaker 1: when guys actually you know, are able to uh utilize

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Speaker 3: And I was also looking in financial data when I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so maybe we walked through the seven steps of

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Speaker 3: It's the mechanims whereby should they need to expend that collateral.

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Speaker 3: So it's all of it collectively is called hydraulic despotism

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Speaker 1: just one experience after the challenging ones. I think though,

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Speaker 1: the scary ones that I think, you know, the modern

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Speaker 1: you know, I think more and more people are starting,

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Speaker 1: especially with people like you going out there and explaining

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Speaker 1: this in detail. But you're starting to realize that those

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Speaker 1: catastrophic events of the twentieth century were relative to this procedure. Right,

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Speaker 1: we're relative to this.

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Speaker 2: Oh, they weren't relative. They're the direct result.

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Speaker 1: Of the direct result. Sorry, yeah, sorry, absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So when you look back through history to where does

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Speaker 3: this start a thousand years ago? Well, maybe about seven

446
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Speaker 3: hundred years ago in Venice. Starts in Venice with the

447
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Speaker 3: bankers in Venice who invented modern banking.

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Speaker 2: And oh, by the way, no, it's not the Jews.

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Speaker 2: I'm tired of hearing the whole it's the Jews.

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Speaker 1: It seems like such a sloppy argument nowadays, it's.

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Speaker 3: It's but I mean, they got their people and they're

452
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Speaker 3: doing their thing, and I get it, so's everybody else.

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Speaker 3: But to think that, you know, purely European peoples haven't

454
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Speaker 3: been strewing one another over in absolutely ludicrous, least clever

455
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Speaker 3: ways for thousands of years before we ever even heard

456
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Speaker 3: of a thing called the Jew is like stupid as hell. Yeah, right, absolutely,

457
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Speaker 3: the codification of these things go back earlier, right, because

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Speaker 3: you can hear about it in Egyptian histories and Sumerian

459
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Speaker 3: histories and Babylonian histories, and in you know, the you

460
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Speaker 3: know who did I think the Jesus guy threw over

461
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Speaker 3: the tables of the money changers and the temple and

462
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Speaker 3: all that stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yep. So this stuff goes back way further.

464
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Speaker 3: But when it comes to Europe, and Europe specifically in

465
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Speaker 3: the post Roman Empire time, it really this never ending

466
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 3: constant cycle of you know, seven step process really took

467
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Speaker 3: off in the thirteenth century in Venice and then it's

468
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Speaker 3: just gone from there to Amsterdam, from Amsterdam to London,

469
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Speaker 3: from London to Wall Street. They tried to take it

470
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Speaker 3: to China next China said no, you were not doing this,

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Speaker 3: and so what's the next step?

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Speaker 2: Right? Where do they go from here?

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Speaker 1: Can you can you drill down on the jump from

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Speaker 1: Venice to Amsterdam, because I you know what you think

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Speaker 1: about I mean, obviously, every time you hear about the

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Speaker 1: Venetian power, right, you think about the meta cheese, You

477
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Speaker 1: think about those people that were able to consolidate post

478
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Speaker 1: Roman collapse and in power into through the shipping industries.

479
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Speaker 1: But from Venice to Amsterdam seems like a weird jump

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Speaker 1: can you can you explain that a little bit to

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Speaker 1: people like I. At first, like when I was reading,

482
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Speaker 1: I was like, whoa, that that's weird. But when you

483
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Speaker 1: started getting into the East India Trading Company, so I

484
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: was like, oh that makes sense now.

485
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So one, they're both swamps. So you know, they keep

487
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 3: talking about draining the swamp in d C. I mean

488
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 3: it's the same people. It's like, wow, maybe there is

489
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Speaker 3: something to the actual swamp and it goes back way

490
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Speaker 3: before the fact that the DC itself was an actual

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Speaker 3: literal swamp, right, Like you know, so was Amsterdam and

492
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 3: it was a marsh swamp and so it was Venice

493
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Speaker 3: and you know, anyways, that's.

494
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Speaker 1: Fascinating that I never even thought about it, like that

495
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Speaker 1: these are swamp creatures.

496
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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, not aliens. You know, they're not lizard people,

497
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Speaker 3: et cetera. There's swamp creatures.

498
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Speaker 1: But their tongues and their Yeah, no disrespect to my

499
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Speaker 1: swamp friends, my Cajun swamp friends now in Louisiana. Yeah,

500
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Speaker 1: that's right.

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Speaker 2: You all are different, all different breed. Yeah, they are.

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Speaker 1: First but first platoon, uh lieutenant, my my AOI see,

503
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: my first platoon was from bad Rouge and just different

504
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: cut man, just a different cut.

505
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Speaker 2: Those Cajun's are different folk.

506
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: Yeah they are.

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Speaker 2: Did you ever see that movie Southern Comfort when.

508
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: You're oh with Carrodine and his brother and then Booth

509
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Speaker 1: what's the name? God?

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Speaker 3: I love that movie.

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Speaker 1: That's cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Uh so, you know, okay, so the Venetians build up

514
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 3: a sea empire, right, a minor sea empire. But what

515
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Speaker 3: really made the Venetians successful, uh was that initially they

516
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Speaker 3: had Byzantium there as the shield right on on their

517
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Speaker 3: eastern flank. And what really made him successful is they

518
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Speaker 3: innovated financially and you know, promisory notes, bills of lading, factoring,

519
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 3: you know. So they were doing very clever financial things,

520
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 3: probably borrowing from the concepts and ideas of the Templars,

521
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Speaker 3: which is maybe where some of the you know, co mingling.

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Speaker 2: Those ideas because they all had to go through that

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Speaker 2: area to go fight in the Holy Land, which I

524
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Speaker 2: wonder sometimes how fucking holy it is. Excuse my language,

525
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Speaker 2: we'll do that just fine over.

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Speaker 3: But the point is that that the Venetians, because of

527
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Speaker 3: the conflicts that were in the area and where they

528
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Speaker 3: were and the type of business they were doing, they

529
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Speaker 3: innovated financially. That allowed them to be very, very successful

530
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Speaker 3: as a you know, a I don't want to say minor,

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Speaker 3: but you know, at the time kind of a minor

532
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Speaker 3: sea power. Historically, they weren't a minor power that would

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Speaker 3: you know, their reach and everything else. It was pretty

534
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Speaker 3: substantial when the Ottomans took over. When the Ottomans you know,

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Speaker 3: finally breached Constantinople and began to take in, you know,

536
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Speaker 3: uh lock in control of the Ionian sea, et cetera,

537
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Speaker 3: the Venetian Empire, the Venetians were starting to spend way

538
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 3: too much money, uh just on safety, security, you know, bribes, everything.

539
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Speaker 3: It was just it was just too costly for them,

540
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Speaker 3: and the Venetian Empire started to decline. Well, shipping powers,

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Speaker 3: you know, the big ships, the first galleon like ships

542
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 3: weren't in Venice. They were in Holland and Portugal and Spain,

543
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Speaker 3: you know, then the other side of the Mediterranean and

544
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Speaker 3: then up et cetera. Well, the place that welcomed them,

545
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Speaker 3: that was a natural fit for them, just geographically, you know,

546
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Speaker 3: just everything they'd known for centuries was was Amsterdam. It

547
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Speaker 3: was Holland Amsterdam, and Holland was also very business oriented, right,

548
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 3: very commercial oriented.

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Speaker 2: It was mercantilist. It was already mercantilist.

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Speaker 3: It was a natural fit, and it already had fairly

551
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Speaker 3: good bankers. But the Venetians brought a whole lot more

552
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 3: sophistication with them, and they helped charter the the Dutch

553
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Speaker 3: East India Company and finance and bank roll it and

554
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:17,240
Speaker 3: greatly improve upon the success of the dust Eats India companies,

555
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Speaker 3: such that within a few years it surpassed the British

556
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Speaker 3: East India Company in success and capabilities.

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Speaker 2: And primarily they did that. We're able to do.

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Speaker 3: That now as Dutch bankers, not Venetian bankers anymore, but

559
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Speaker 3: Dutch bankers. Well, in their intervening time, the Venetian bankers

560
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 3: had figured out this kill chain and had been using

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Speaker 3: it in eastern you know, the eastern parts of the

562
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Speaker 3: Mediterranean and in some of the principalities you know, in

563
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Speaker 3: continental Europe. So they'd already been embedding that kill chain

564
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Speaker 3: in parts of Nor Than Africa, the Levant and elsewhere.

565
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Speaker 2: So they get to.

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Speaker 3: Amsterdam in the sixteenth century and they start spreading it

567
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 3: now back down across the continent. The other way. There

568
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Speaker 3: was one one state, one group of states and islands

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Speaker 3: though that said yeah no, and that was the British Isles, right.

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Speaker 2: Who yuh right?

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Speaker 3: And the British Isles had a very substantive fleet that

589
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Speaker 3: was developed. The Henry the Eighth began that Elizabeth continued.

590
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 3: The Dutch went to war with the Spanish, with the

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Speaker 3: have Spurks for what thirty years.

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Speaker 2: I think.

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Speaker 3: The Dutch bankrolled and backed the thirty years, eighty years

594
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Speaker 3: and one hundred years wars on the continent. So what

595
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 3: happens in the sixteen hundreds is by the sixteen hundreds,

596
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 3: everything's so hot on the continent.

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Speaker 2: There's wars everywhere.

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Speaker 3: They convened the Peace of Westphilure, which is two treaties

599
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Speaker 3: in brook and Munsters sixteen forty five sixteen forty nine,

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Speaker 3: and they for all intents and purposes, ended feudalism and

601
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Speaker 3: the rule of princes which had been resisting them, and

602
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Speaker 3: instantiated the killed chain into everything in every state in Europe.

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Speaker 3: The ones that disagreed were the eastern East of Poland

604
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Speaker 3: and a few others, and they went to war with.

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Speaker 2: Them for for a century.

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Speaker 3: It was getting too hot on the you know, because

607
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 3: Holland's not very or the Netherlands isn't very defensible, and

608
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 3: so they needed to again, just like from Venice a

609
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 3: century or so before, they needed to rebase. Well, there

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Speaker 3: was these British Isles over there, and there were disloyal

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00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 3: nobles in the British Isles, and they had bought parliamentarians,

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Speaker 3: you know, the stead one influence, right, and they had

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Speaker 3: been working with the Catholic Church, even though they're supposed

614
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Speaker 3: supposedly enemies, but they'd been working with the Catholic Church.

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Speaker 3: They had a beef with the English because of Henry

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Speaker 3: the eighth who had kicked him out, and Henry eight

617
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Speaker 3: had kicked him out for this very reason. Henry the

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Speaker 3: Eighth's ending Catholicism the British Isles had nothing to do

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Speaker 3: with marriage.

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Speaker 2: That was ostensibly the argument.

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Speaker 3: It was to try and prevent this banking kill chain

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Speaker 3: from being embedded in the British.

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Speaker 2: Isles, in the British Kingdoms.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, had there not been unseasonable storms actually uh won

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Speaker 3: and forgive me, I forgot the year sixteen forty something

626
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 3: or sixteen twenty, sixteen thirty somewhere it went. But the

627
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 3: nobles did were rallying, trying to rally to his Majesty

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Speaker 3: King Charles the first to throw off the parliamentarians who

629
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Speaker 3: had been bought off. And you know, so this whole

630
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Speaker 3: hostile corporate takeover by the dustchyst India Company of the

631
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Speaker 3: British East India Company, which was culminated many years later.

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Speaker 3: But there were unseasonable reigns when the Civil War, the

633
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Speaker 3: English Civil War actually backed out kicked off the English

634
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Speaker 3: Civil War backed by the Dutch and the Dutch bankers

635
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Speaker 3: and all of that, who were looking to move take

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Speaker 3: the islands and then move their headquarters to London because

637
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Speaker 3: it was safer, more secure, okay, And an empire was

638
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Speaker 3: starting to build up under the English, and the English

639
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Speaker 3: had the manpower, and it had the ships, and it

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Speaker 3: had it was a defense will read out to et cetera.

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Speaker 1: Et cetera. It was a ripe post.

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Speaker 3: It was a ripe post, and it was you know, unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: the wars of the Roses did a serious number on

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Speaker 3: the nobility, and you know, and the war the Roses

645
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Speaker 3: went on for quite some time. And then Henry, his

646
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Speaker 3: Majesty King Henry the eighth and her Majesty Queen Elizabeth

647
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Speaker 3: the Second are the first and Queen Mary in between.

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Speaker 3: We're all batshit insane, I mean literally certifiably insane. And

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Speaker 3: so they had done a number on you know, the people,

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Speaker 3: and then the breaking of from Catholicism, and which was

651
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Speaker 3: done again to try and actually prevent this kill chain

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Speaker 3: from being embedded through the vector of the church, right

653
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 3: the Catholic Church. Unfortunately there's these these unseasonable reigns. The

654
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 3: nobles couldn't ge it to London, so the king had

655
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 3: to flee, you know, and then that the whole civil

656
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 3: war kicked off. Cromwell comes along later and the round heads,

657
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 3: and he thinks he's fighting, you know, the kings and

658
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 3: for parliamentarians and Puritans, et cetera. At a certain point

659
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 3: Cromwell realizes, holy cow, we're under invasion by the Dutch

660
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 3: and this is actually an attempt by a foreign power

661
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 3: to you know, embed you know, to take over our

662
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 3: nation and country. So Cromwell fought them for you know,

663
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 3: till the day he died. His son was supposed to

664
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 3: replace him. Unfortunately his son wasn't wasn't the man. And

665
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 3: down underneath the English civilization we're monarchical people. We can

666
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,919
Speaker 3: say we don't like it, we don't believe in, et cetera,

667
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 3: but we elect a monarch every four years.

668
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,879
Speaker 2: So we can say, down with the king.

669
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 3: It's like just voted for a king.

670
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, that that's about as poignant as anything I've

671
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: heard in the last.

672
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 3: Eight And not only the king, but you know who

673
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 3: are these other you know, senators and congress. You just

674
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 3: voted for your duke and your baron and your you know,

675
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 3: it's like your governor's like your duke. It's like, come

676
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 3: on right down with princes. You vote for princes every

677
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 3: two or four years. Shut the hell anyways. Point is,

678
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 3: and once Cromwell's gone, there is no no cohesion. There

679
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 3: were six major lords, British lords, well it wouldn't be

680
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 3: called British till later, but you know English lords.

681
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 2: Who betrayed the crown.

682
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 3: Betrayed the English because they wanted to change the power structure.

683
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 3: And in sixteen eighty eight, William of Orange is brought

684
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 3: over married to his Stuart daughter, and they take the

685
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 3: crown back with an army directly funded by the Dutch

686
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 3: East India Company and the bankers, and then they take over.

687
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 3: They with their parliamentarians everybody they've been buying off. The

688
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 3: industrialists were all for it because the industriosts were building

689
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 3: up on the Thames River there, et cetera, and they

690
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 3: didn't want to be beholden to the king. They wanted to,

691
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 3: you know, they they wanted the nobles labor to work

692
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 3: their factories. So they had to end nobility. They had

693
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 3: to end aristocracy, They had to end any power. And

694
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,919
Speaker 3: when William came over, since sixteen eighty eight, no king

695
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 3: that sat on the English throne has had any power.

696
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: That was it.

697
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 2: That was the done.

698
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: Because fumalism was over. Lands were no longer as relevant

699
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:48,959
Speaker 1: as they were those twos.

700
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 2: They were worth okay, so great.

701
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 3: With the bankers in this financialist kill chain, in this

702
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 3: creation of artificial wealth, the financialists backed parliamentarians, merchants, industrialists

703
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 3: were able to generate vast fortunes, artificial wealth fortunes, and

704
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 3: the nobility couldn't keep up because everything the nobility had

705
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 3: to do was based They had to be based in

706
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:25,919
Speaker 3: reality crops and lands and peoples and all of these

707
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 3: complex spaces that the nobility had to maintain. They couldn't

708
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 3: keep up with this artificial currency, financial manipulation derivatives game.

709
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 3: And I wrote another article I published yesterday about how

710
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 3: the Venetians become the Dutch become then the.

711
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 2: Bank of England have for.

712
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 3: Seven hundred, eight hundred years intentionally, directly, substantively worked to

713
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 3: remove hereditary print is everywhere, always, and to turn the

714
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 3: people against the princes, because the only places where this

715
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 3: kill chain didn't work until it did it was those

716
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 3: places where there was a strong prince, prince, king, duke, barring,

717
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 3: et cetera.

718
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 2: But there was a.

719
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: Strong centralized leader, an individual centralized leadership. That that power

720
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: is rooted, and it's it's its historical legacy, right.

721
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 3: It's correct, correct, correct, and it and it met its

722
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 3: obligations to its people, and because of that, it had

723
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:35,720
Speaker 3: the loyalty of its people.

724
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 2: What do we call any one of these people now? Today?

725
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 2: We call them a dictator? Right, a tyrant? Well, who's telling.

726
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 3: Us that, right, the very people that have been steadily

727
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 3: working to remove princes as because the princes are the

728
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 3: only obstacle to the kill chain, and because they want

729
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 3: all the assets of the prince that's collateral and they

730
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 3: want the commons that it's the thing that's been destroyed

731
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 3: the worst. And Peter Buffett actually Warren Sun sent me

732
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 3: an article one day, or he actually gave me an

733
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 3: article one day from the New York Post, I think

734
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 3: from many years ago.

735
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 2: Twenty thirteen I think, but it was about the theft

736
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 2: of the commons.

737
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

738
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 2: Right, So that's that's.

739
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: I mean, that's almost like the theft of the middle class,

740
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: the offshoring of the middle class. Right, it's exactly what

741
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: it is, exactly the same thing.

742
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:35,760
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, yeah, the commons today, primarily the commons today

743
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 3: is retirement savings. Okay, right, it's the financial commons, and

744
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 3: they've stolen it two thousand and eight, stole it two

745
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:44,879
Speaker 3: thousand and one.

746
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 2: They're working on doing it again, yep.

747
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 3: Right, So in the modern era, the commons are people

748
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 3: shared retirement funds that are invested in the companies and

749
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 3: assets of the country nation.

750
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: Mm hm.

751
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 3: That's the commons. We all share it common, you know,

752
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 3: in common. We share these things. It's important, you know,

753
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 3: what is the product of our labor, you know, our

754
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 3: collective labor. It's our financial assets and our retirement funds.

755
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,720
Speaker 3: It's our you know, collateral in our homes, et cetera.

756
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 3: We all share that in these complex ways, and this

757
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 3: these financialists have been steadily stealing that throughout the last

758
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 3: seven eight hundred years.

759
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 1: That was the thing that really it was remarkable to me,

760
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: I mean, my whole childhood, and you know, and I

761
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: had some pretty good teachers growing up in the schools

762
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: I went to, and it was the whole idea of

763
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: the British Empire, and the sun never set on the

764
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: British Empire, and they were able to take this through

765
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: you know, that merchantile mindset and spread it worldwide. Right,

766
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: So you you figure, oh my god, they've they've got

767
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: this host, they expand it, they've grown it, They've reduced

768
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: the monarchy, if you will, down to where it's parliamentary

769
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 1: and control, and then they spread it through merchantilism. But

770
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 1: then what how come that, like go back to the

771
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,720
Speaker 1: place that moment in particular as it relates to England

772
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: and Britain. Eventually, how does that collapse? Then? How does

773
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: the how does over extending yourself get to the point

774
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: for the collapse?

775
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 2: Right?

776
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:37,320
Speaker 1: I think it's easy to understand with the Venetians and

777
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 1: the Dutch, because you know, as power grew with the

778
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 1: Ottomans and that region, they couldn't defend themselves against the

779
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: mass of that army or or or you know, the

780
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: Dutch weren't I've never really been known as this warring

781
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: people or tribe, right, like somebody, Well, the early Dutch, right,

782
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: the Viking Dutch right.

783
00:48:59,200 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no.

784
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 3: The Dutch East Indies Company and the Dutch under the

785
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 3: Dutch East Indies Company were in.

786
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 2: Thirty year War. No, the Dutch were a very warlike

787
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 2: people all over the world. Look at you.

788
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: They actually provided the soldiers for the sailors.

789
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 3: The Dutch that physically sent the armies to conquer the British.

790
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 1: Got it, got okay, all right. So with Britain now

791
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: them taking over Britain and they're expanding it, growing the empire,

792
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: how does Britain get to that point? I mean, obviously everybody,

793
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 1: not everybody, but some people recognize how overleveraged they got

794
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:43,359
Speaker 1: in World War One and then ultimately, I mean, World

795
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 1: War Two is just catastrophics.

796
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 2: Okay, so great question.

797
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: Sorry, it's kind of rambling. I just so much and trying.

798
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 3: Very important because this is where the US is right now,

799
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 3: where they're trying to get it right. Go back in

800
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 3: memory or I don't know many people been to Europe,

801
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 3: et cetera.

802
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 2: But I've been all over Europe. I've lived there for

803
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 2: a while. In people like it's London, it's the city

804
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 2: of London. It's the Brits. They've been raping and pillaging

805
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 2: the world. Okay, you've been to Britain.

806
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 1: It's pretty poor, Yeah, pretty shabby. Where's all there?

807
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 3: Where's all of their oligark they're old oligark families. Right,

808
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 3: where's all that wealth? Where's all those stately homes, where's

809
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 3: all the mansions?

810
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 2: All those Right, it's all gone m hm Right, it's

811
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 2: all gone, tenements and trash and it's it's it's in

812
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 2: total and absolute decay, collapsing, except you know, certain palaces

813
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:56,919
Speaker 2: and monuments, et cetera. Right, Okay, where'd all that wealth goes?

814
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: M hm?

815
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 3: Went through the city of London to the continent of Europe. Okay,

816
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 3: how many times has Europe been rebuilt from basically the

817
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 3: ground up in the last two hundred plus years?

818
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:13,320
Speaker 1: Three times?

819
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 2: Three times?

820
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:19,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, Europe, Britain and the British peoples and the English

821
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 3: speaking peoples have rebuilt. The United States are at Europe

822
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 3: from the ground up three times? Right, right, So, okay

823
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,320
Speaker 3: to your question, what happens look at the United States

824
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:42,439
Speaker 3: right now, since you know, since World War One, we've

825
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 3: had the highest well you know, I mean, there's a

826
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 3: bit in the eighteen hundreds, et cetera.

827
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 2: As there was expansion and growth, et cetera. But we've been,

828
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 2: you know, ostensibly.

829
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 3: The greatest GDP produced, you know, the greatest productive engine

830
00:51:55,080 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 3: in the world. Have you seen our infrastructure? Have you

831
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 3: seen our streets in our cities? Have you seen the

832
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:07,879
Speaker 3: debt burdens we have that? Where'd all that wealth go? Well,

833
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 3: they certainly didn't go to England or Britain because it's

834
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 3: a forget my language, but a shithold too.

835
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 2: So where to go? Well, Europe looks pretty nice, Europe's

836
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:22,879
Speaker 2: pretty beautiful. They don't.

837
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 3: It's a damn thing. They haven't produced anything in eighty years. Wow,

838
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 3: they don't create anything. They don't produce anything. You know,

839
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 3: there's some German industry, et cetera. But as a continent

840
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 3: and a you know, as a you know, seven hundred

841
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 3: million people proportionally, they they produced nothing. So how do

842
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 3: they look so good? How are they living so well?

843
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 3: How did they have these two hundred feet foot fricking yachts?

844
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:49,919
Speaker 2: Right right?

845
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 3: They haven't had empires and forever, and their empires were

846
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 3: never much anyways, not compared to the British. So where

847
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 3: did the where did the wealth of the last century

848
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 3: the United States go, where did the wealth of the

849
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 3: British Empire for the last three centuries plus go? Europe

850
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 3: looks pretty nice, and it looks pretty nice for the

851
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 3: third time in the last two hundred plus years, because

852
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 3: it was rebuilt under the Napoleonic era, rebuilt after World

853
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 3: War One, it was rebuilt again after World War Two.

854
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: This just hit a whole nother court. I don't know

855
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: if you watched Tucker Carlson, but he just had a

856
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: woman on, Catherine Fritz, who used to be in the government,

857
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: in the Bush Senior government, and she ran kind of

858
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:43,879
Speaker 1: the hud and she's got this great news site called

859
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: Solari and they do these very intense analysis of the

860
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: economic mismanagement or redirection of economies. And she actually had

861
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 1: this really fascinating seq segment of it where she was saying,

862
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: you know when you know, and she went back to

863
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:07,959
Speaker 1: that famous you know, September tenth, two thousand and one

864
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: where Rumsfeld comes out and says, yeah, we were unaccounted

865
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: for two point seven trillion dollars. And what she was

866
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 1: hinting at her saying is that underneath all these structures, right,

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Speaker 1: She was an investment banker and all this, and they

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Speaker 1: Two after the British host was destroyed and it coming

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Speaker 1: over to New York and can you just talk, you

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Speaker 1: know a little bit about that and what you're seeing

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Speaker 1: up until where we're at today and how that worked.

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Speaker 1: All right? Again, I hope you're just loving this conversation

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Speaker 1: with em I know I am, but I just really

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