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Speaker 1: Thank you for coming back. Part two is underway.

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Speaker 2: I think all the things that we did growing up,

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Speaker 2: it definitely the work ethic. But I knew I didn't

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Speaker 2: want to clip on you for the rest of my life.

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Speaker 2: I knew I didn't want to bail.

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Speaker 1: Hey.

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Speaker 2: I didn't want to lower watermelons. I don't want to

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Speaker 2: I don't want to crop tobacco. I don't want to

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Speaker 2: catch chicken. I don't want to pour concrete. I don't

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Speaker 2: want to lay ass fat. I don't want to work out.

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Speaker 3: I'm looking at your face, man, you saying that, and

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Speaker 3: I'm looking at this thing right here. I'm like, this

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Speaker 3: dude is angry. And I was like, I'm determined not

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Speaker 3: to do that, bro, And that's good.

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Speaker 2: But that served you. Oh wow, Bro, I remember you

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Speaker 2: were in college. Now I'm working in Savannah for Richard

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Speaker 2: and for more reics playing. Now I got to be

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Speaker 2: We gotta be on the job at like six Savannah

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Speaker 2: is an hour way, that's right. I gotta get up,

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Speaker 2: wash my face, get down there, and we're not getting

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Speaker 2: off the job until like five thirty. I'm like, man,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to do this, so we I mean,

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Speaker 2: they are right there, ain't having no ride level. We pushing,

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Speaker 2: we cutting two acre, two ach of lawns and three acre,

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Speaker 2: law would pushing more. We building burns, man, we laying

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Speaker 1: I said, nah, man, this ain't for me. This ain't

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Speaker 1: for me. I mean, look at it. But the thing was,

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Speaker 1: I did that too.

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Speaker 3: I left college during the summer for the two months

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Speaker 3: month and a half that I had off, and I'm

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Speaker 3: back in the field with mister Joe or I'm back

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Speaker 3: in Savannah lay inside landscaping with Richard Golden. I'm doing

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Speaker 3: all that too, because in college I don't need a

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Speaker 3: lot of money, but I need some, right.

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Speaker 1: But it's not it's just means to an end. This

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Speaker 1: dude is.

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Speaker 3: Like I mean, he's like, man, I ain't I don't

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Speaker 3: want to lake railroad ties a cliff running.

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Speaker 1: Into I'm like, no, I know, I didea what to do.

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Speaker 3: We looked out of the same window and saw two

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Speaker 3: totally different things, and yet instilled at sixty and at

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Speaker 3: fifty seven, we end up in the exact same place.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, look, I can't make this story up.

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Speaker 1: I can't.

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Speaker 3: I ain't never look at this or never I can't

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Speaker 3: make this up. But for us to end up where

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Speaker 3: we are seeing two totally different things, obviously that's your life.

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Speaker 1: There are many like it. That one is yours.

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Speaker 3: And you use what you saw and what you wanted

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Speaker 3: and didn't want to your advantage.

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Speaker 2: I commend you for that. People ask up, man, how

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Speaker 2: do you develop your work ethic? You ain't got no choice.

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Speaker 3: Wait, hold on, See the thing is is their work

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Speaker 3: ethic is do I.

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Speaker 1: Want to do it right? When you got no choice,

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Speaker 1: You're gonna do it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you are going to do it better than

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Speaker 3: anyone else does anything else right. And so it ain't like,

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Speaker 3: oh you know what, I'm gonna havel ask this job

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Speaker 3: because I don't know. Oh no, no, no, because see

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Speaker 3: you ain't doing this for him or him. Everything you

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Speaker 3: do goes home. This represents Mary Porter right now. Ye

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Speaker 3: Mary Porter is at the house, and I don't want

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Speaker 3: Joe Tatum or Miss Joe Anne Tatum or Tiny Tatum

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Speaker 3: going back and telling them Mary he worked, but he

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Speaker 3: don't do it very good.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no.

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Speaker 3: Everything you do goes home. And I've had this conversation

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Speaker 3: about the Hall of Fame. I'm like, hall of Fame

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Speaker 3: ain't for me. Oh, that's for Mary Alice and Libby

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Speaker 3: and if Mary Porter was here, and for Shannon, and

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Speaker 3: for William Hall and for Buddy mccau that's for them.

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Speaker 3: Because see, everything I did is a reflection of everything

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Speaker 3: they gave me. And people don't understand that because they

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Speaker 3: look at they live in the here and now. So

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Speaker 3: I'm working for you, and I don't want to work

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Speaker 3: for you because I want tom I really want to

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Speaker 3: do real estate. So I'm working to get a real

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Speaker 3: estate license so I can get away from you. Out

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Speaker 3: of understanding that, guess what we're working for you because

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Speaker 3: what I'm doing is a reflection of who I am.

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Speaker 3: And so they get caught up in the wrong thing

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Speaker 3: because everybody is. And I'm not saying this right wrong

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Speaker 3: or in death. I'm just saying that there's a better

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Speaker 2: Yeah, obsolutely. You learn to Papa, I learned you. Let

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Speaker 2: you learn how to drive. He lets you say, okay,

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Speaker 2: just follow me.

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Speaker 1: We learned.

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Speaker 2: I learned how to drive in the tobacco field. I

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Speaker 2: was five or six years old, and none of the

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Speaker 2: big kids wanted to go get the car.

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Speaker 3: All the way down there, which was which was like,

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Speaker 3: and we're talking about like.

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Speaker 1: Sixty yards.

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Speaker 3: We ain't talking about a mile, so the truck is

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Speaker 3: sixty yards. And they'd be like, hey, who wanted to

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Speaker 2: Gone? I'm five or six years old? Hey, all right,

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Speaker 2: just be careful, Pete. We so Lendy lady pressing the

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Speaker 2: he working the steeros, I'm working the stier.

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Speaker 3: He working the steering wheel like there's no tomorrow. So

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Speaker 3: he liked it. Landy is so the truck is going

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Speaker 3: like this, and it's like, so imagine what that looked

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Speaker 3: like coming down the road. About this why it's hilarious.

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Speaker 3: But that's how we learned how to do things.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned that sports would like you didn't get an

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Speaker 2: opportunity to play until like you're would not.

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Speaker 3: Have gotten a chance to play at Arnie Barter doesn't

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Speaker 3: if if Pop Pauk doesn't die, and I'm not gonna

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Speaker 3: say die in seventy seven or seventy nine or eighty one.

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Speaker 3: If he doesn't die, I never play football to America.

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Speaker 3: Who's gonna see this greatest day of my entire life,

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Speaker 3: because all I ever.

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Speaker 1: Wanted to do was play football.

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Speaker 2: Because everybody tell us, everybody will say, man, your brother

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Speaker 2: so fast he could he could play football, but because

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Speaker 2: of what transpired with my uncles. Because our high school

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Speaker 2: coach coaching my uncles, he also coached my mom. My

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Speaker 2: mom graduated in sixty So I let you know just

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Speaker 2: how long he's been a coach, and he let him.

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Speaker 2: Papa let my uncles and then play. He said, but wait,

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Speaker 2: who broke that leg? James James broke his leg, broke

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Speaker 2: his collar, broken collar bone, and he said, now, if

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Speaker 1: Who's gonna co coach follow?

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Speaker 2: Who gonna pick my Well, he told Coach Hall that

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Speaker 2: Coach Hall didn't tell Coach followed that Papa had told

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Speaker 1: So he let coach follow take the boys.

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Speaker 3: Home, and then they're like, who gonna pick my backer?

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Speaker 3: Coach Father was like, it ain't gonna beat me. He's

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Speaker 3: a haul di in't ten and that's it.

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Speaker 1: And that's it.

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Speaker 3: So it wasn't gonna be no more football. So and

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Speaker 3: I know how it sounds. I know how it sounds,

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Speaker 3: but I want you to understand the guy. An older

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Speaker 3: gentleman told me one time, he said, you know where

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Speaker 3: the dream is? And I said, no, sir. He said,

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Speaker 3: a dream is a gift you give to yourself. It's

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Speaker 3: the only dream I ever had. It's the only gift

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Speaker 3: I've ever given myself was to play football.

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Speaker 1: That's why nothing ever bothered me.

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Speaker 3: That's why having been red shirted my second year, which

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Speaker 3: was at the time the greatest year at the University

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Speaker 3: of South Carolina ever, had never bothered me. That's why

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Speaker 3: leaving the NFL, you know where people would say, dog,

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Speaker 3: you are not in your prime. You were coming into

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Speaker 3: your prime. Bro. My last year catching ninety something past

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Speaker 3: is for a thousand yards in eighteen touchdowns and never

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Speaker 1: Me because I had accomplished my dream.

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Speaker 3: I had given myself that gift that I could give

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Speaker 3: to myself. Man, I was, you know, and a lot

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Speaker 3: of people don't understand that. But let me tell you.

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Speaker 3: Coming from where we're coming from, come from how we came,

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Speaker 3: I got no problems and got no.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't know why your uh you cut me

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Speaker 1: with that knife? Man? Okay, hold on, where did I

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Speaker 1: cut you? On? The thigh.

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Speaker 3: Where'd you cut me? It's still that it's right out?

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Speaker 3: Well this why wait?

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Speaker 1: Hold on?

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Speaker 3: I wanted to see how sharp the knife was. Cut

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Speaker 1: Pair of geans.

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Speaker 3: The short hold on, he threatens me, So I got

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Speaker 3: to let him cut me. If you notice where my

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Speaker 1: I ain't here. I bleed out.

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Speaker 2: Look, it cost him a cut back and a couple

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Speaker 2: of you know, a couple of silver dollars, silver dime.

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Speaker 1: What I gotta tell, Papa, I got I don't want

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Speaker 2: If you don't let me get you back, got you

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Speaker 3: And then I say, HI, wouldn't have been there. So

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Speaker 3: I'm definitely where I'm supposed to be. There's no doubt

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Speaker 2: Who do you think we got athleticism from Mam and dad?

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Speaker 3: I honestly don't know. And the reason I say that

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Speaker 3: is is I don't know how. I know my mom

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Speaker 1: I mean, the thing is, I'm.

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Speaker 3: Going to step outside the box and talk about athleticism

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Speaker 3: because I think a lot of people think, oh, because

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Speaker 3: of Lebron, Brinnie and all these other kids are going No,

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Speaker 3: what is your determination. I don't think you got to

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Speaker 3: where you got to because oh, you got your athleticism

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Speaker 3: from your mom and you got your smarts from your

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Speaker 3: dad or vice versa.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 3: I think because of your circumstance and what you saw

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Speaker 3: in that thousand block center block house made you develop speed, strength, skill, stamina,

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Speaker 3: and more importantly, determination that I to make this work

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Speaker 3: because I don't want that woman Mary Porter live in

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Speaker 3: like that anymore. And I don't think athleticism is inherited

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Speaker 1: I don't believe that.

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Speaker 3: I don't because I don't think you need athleticism to

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Speaker 3: be successful in sports. I think you need timing, luck,

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Speaker 3: grace of God to put you in a position. Let

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Speaker 3: me tell you, if I go to New York, if

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Speaker 3: I go to Texas, I go to California, we are

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Speaker 3: not sitting here having this conversation. If you go to

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Speaker 3: not sitting here having this conversation. If I don't have

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Speaker 3: to come home and tell you bro you going to

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Speaker 3: Savannah State. We ain't going to Army. You're going to

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Speaker 3: Savannah State. We ain't having this conversation. Because of the

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Speaker 3: circumstance and the way things fall, it gives you an

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Speaker 3: which you need to do.

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Speaker 2: That's all. That's what I believe. What do you think

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Speaker 3: One hundred two hundred four one four by four long jump.

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Speaker 1: Don't care about your stats. The triple option is trust.

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Speaker 3: I never cared about keeping it. I never cared about numbers.

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Speaker 1: If I played. If I got in the NFL and

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Speaker 3: With that because I got there. I got my chance,

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Speaker 3: That's where my growth and development was from.

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Speaker 2: You get a scholarship and you go to the Universus

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Speaker 2: You wanted to go to Clemson. I did until they

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Speaker 3: You know, Dominique blasting game in Quentin Lewis and from

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Speaker 3: Let's say there was one hundred guys on the team,

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Speaker 1: Right, if you mentioned that, you got it.

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Speaker 3: The only reason I wanted to go to Clemson was

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Speaker 2: You would you was number three, he was number he

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Speaker 3: They wanted me to play dB and I was like,

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Speaker 1: But Condric's Holloway. Yeah, man, Look.

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Speaker 3: Because I can't get to the NFL without it, I

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Speaker 1: But just growing, man, just being there and figuring it out.

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Speaker 1: I almost flunked out of South Carolina.

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Speaker 3: I was a knock on my door and our academic

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Speaker 3: advisor going sterling, you know, hey, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: Oh, we ain't doing this.

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Speaker 2: I ain't never had that probably state, you know, be

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Speaker 2: I just say I got my work, got my work,

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Speaker 1: We'll come back it out.

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Speaker 3: But South Carolina gave me an opportunity to grow, develop

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Speaker 1: In Columbia, that's what it did. But at the university,

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Speaker 3: They wouldn't let me, but go ahead, wide receiver, running back.

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Speaker 3: In my situation, I just want to play. So if

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Speaker 1: Let's go.

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Speaker 3: You want me to play defensive end at two twelve,

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Speaker 3: let's do it. You know, because I just wanted to play.

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Speaker 1: So whatever that was, you know, if it was dB.

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Speaker 3: and that's fine too, but I never got sidetrackedor caught

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Speaker 2: They retired your number at the University of South Carolina

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Speaker 2: while I was still playing. You still playing, there have

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Speaker 2: been a lot of guys come and ask you, man,

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Speaker 2: can we read that number two?

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Speaker 1: Why won't you let anybody wear it?

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Speaker 3: The only guy that I considered was Deuced Daley kids

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And the university thought so much of me that they

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Speaker 3: And I thought, you know what, I'm doing this more

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Speaker 1: Wow, why'd you pick the number two? Because you had

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Speaker 3: I wanted number three, but skip meant and we didn't

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Speaker 3: I don't know what skip's going to do, so he

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Speaker 3: it was a single digit number and the rest is history. Right,

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Speaker 3: That's how it worked. I have been blessed to be

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Speaker 3: Fast forward to email addresses. You got to come up

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Speaker 2: You get to go to the East West Shrine game,

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Speaker 2: which I followed. You and that would and you go

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Speaker 3: East West Shrine Game. I got a chance to meet

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Speaker 3: I didn't know they played football plays the Mason Dixon line.

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Speaker 3: So we got a chance to learn some about each other.

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Speaker 3: The Senior Bowl was work, and I say work. Jim

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Speaker 3: Jim Morrow was all about banging and physical two things

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Speaker 3: that never bothered me. Hitting and being physical never bothered me.

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Speaker 3: The Combine, I did nothing, got wingspan and I went

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Speaker 2: When you got the call, did you know Green Bay?

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Speaker 2: You wanted to go to Tampa?

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Speaker 3: I thought I was going to Tampa only because they

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Speaker 3: seven to green Bay, eleven of Dallas. Green Bay wanted

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Speaker 1: Win't going there.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so it didn't have I didn't have much of

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Speaker 2: At something right, get to sign the bonus. You can

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Speaker 3: Man, What does my brother want? I'm like, my sister goes,

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Speaker 3: I want your car. I'm driving the Nissign Maxim, a

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Speaker 3: two tone brown and gold on the bottom.

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Speaker 1: That's yours.

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Speaker 3: I'm driving around in a three hundred z X.

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Speaker 2: three hundreds. I'm like, no, I ain't. I ain't see that. Yeah, man,

440
00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 2: I like that. So I'm like, well, Bro, I want

441
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 2: to see he is. He's still a Samanna state.

442
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,919
Speaker 3: I'm like, so we get to three hundred e but

443
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:09,360
Speaker 3: now he'd neseen somewhere in some magazine that you can put.

444
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 1: Skirts on it. Kid that fag I had a kid

445
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 1: teen in Star five Star wheels. You don't put a

446
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 1: tail older, you don't put a wing on.

447
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 3: The wing on the back he rolling in a Mercedes

448
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 3: three hundred e in college. Yeah, I'm driving a bmw

449
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:32,439
Speaker 3: M three. That's about the size of this glass. But

450
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 3: that's just the way it was. Whatever he wanted, he

451
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:36,400
Speaker 3: was gonna get it. I was gonna make sure that.

452
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 1: You paid.

453
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 2: You were basically paying all my bills until summer, until

454
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 2: summer was born. Yes, and when when summer was born,

455
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 2: I was like, bro, I got to let you go

456
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,439
Speaker 2: because now my focus is this right here, you know,

457
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,479
Speaker 2: her well being and of course taking care of but

458
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 2: college and all that other stuff.

459
00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 3: I'm like, bro, you you on your own. I remember

460
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 3: you calling me, going, man, I can't get a place.

461
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:03,199
Speaker 1: And without a co.

462
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 3: Sign bring you in the NFL. Yeah, but I ain't

463
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 3: got no credit. Your first credit card, the Goal, the

464
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 3: Gold American Express I.

465
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 2: Had, I had a Texan had a college got to

466
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 2: be doing and you know I passed them on the buck,

467
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 2: I buck.

468
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: I got to put you out there. But you know,

469
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:21,199
Speaker 1: all the belt and.

470
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 2: Jac Penny credit card, the gas card Texico. She ran

471
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,680
Speaker 2: them up and then cut them up and didn't tell

472
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 2: me he ain't pay him up.

473
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,919
Speaker 3: You know, I really should have murdered my family a

474
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 3: long time ago, but I didn't. But no, it was

475
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,199
Speaker 3: that that. The thing was is man, you were you

476
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 3: were it for me.

477
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: You know.

478
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 3: Everything I did athletically I did for you. You know

479
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 3: I never did anything for public assumption. I did everything

480
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 3: for you. I wanted to make sure or I tried

481
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 3: my best that if you said that you wanted a

482
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 3: role model, you didn't have to look past our table

483
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 3: to find that that was.

484
00:24:58,520 --> 00:24:58,919
Speaker 1: That was.

485
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 3: Do you remember I called you from Daytona when you

486
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 3: junk yard my mind? Yeah, I had the first one

487
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 3: in the state of South Carolina. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and

488
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 3: you junk Hey man, I junk yard.

489
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 1: I junked yardy ship man Wait what wait what I'm sorry? Yeah?

490
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: So he and Emmett. Yeah, we're riding and.

491
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 2: I had a white, well, I had a white, had

492
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 2: your white with MBA had a burgundy one at the time,

493
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 2: burgundy gold with with the gold emblem.

494
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,360
Speaker 3: And wasn't paying attention and ran into the trailer head

495
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,400
Speaker 3: of a car and you ain't the Mercedes emblem out

496
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 3: and been up the front.

497
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that those of the days, Those were

498
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 1: the days bad.

499
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 2: What is it about your rookie year that you remember

500
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 2: most because a lot of people that hard.

501
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:49,360
Speaker 1: It was.

502
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 3: It was hard. The verbiage ripped as eighty slide. I'm

503
00:25:55,920 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 3: ripped lizing eddy slide. I'm I'm running the bubble. I

504
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 3: go in motion, come back. I'm running the bubble twenty

505
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 3: eight lead. I'm always going right unless I'm told to

506
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 3: go left. Harrold's in the backfield twenty eight lead. When

507
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:18,880
Speaker 3: I got to Green Bay, they were like, to flip

508
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 3: wide short ninety y option X smash. I was like, wait,

509
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,479
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, could you repeat that year? Okay, to flip wide?

510
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 3: So that tells you to go into slots short ninety

511
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 3: that's the protection for the offensive line. Why option? If

512
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 3: you're outside an option? Because remember we're in flip slot.

513
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,439
Speaker 3: Why tells the back to get outside the tight end?

514
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 3: You outside? Why option? You run a hende at thirteen

515
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 3: yards X is outside of me running a smash, So

516
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 3: you come off the ball real slow. Inside of smash,

517
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 3: you run a corner.

518
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:59,360
Speaker 1: Oh. Hold on. Most of the defenses.

519
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 3: Were three four, so the blitz read was one defensive

520
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 3: back plus the outside linebacker. I'm thinking, oh the burbage, Yeah,

521
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 3: I could not. The first six weeks of the year,

522
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 3: I was just like, you know what, man, I should

523
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 3: have been a plumber two outside short ninety externs. He choose, Oh,

524
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 3: this is a four to three defense. So instead of

525
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 3: one plus the OLB in a three four, it just

526
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 3: takes one.

527
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: Oh.

528
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 3: When we play New York, the OLB is Lawrence Taylor.

529
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 3: But we don't want our back blocking Lawrence Taylor. So

530
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 3: we're gonna make him down. Wait what so he's coming

531
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 3: ninety percent of the time, right, we don't side it.

532
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: Just off him. So maths takes two? What hold on?

533
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 3: This dude's standing right here getting ready to strangle me,

534
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 3: and I'm thinking he ain't thinking. That was the hardest part,

535
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 3: by far, was the verbiage and understanding Blitz's sighted justin

536
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 3: Blitz reads.

537
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 2: And then you got a situation with the media. They

538
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 2: came down pretty hard on you. No, no, they didn't.

539
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 2: They were unfair to me only because they didn't ask me.

540
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 2: They came to me and they were like, hey, Lindy

541
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 2: said this. Lindy was my head coach, Lindy, and fine,

542
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 2: what am I supposed to do?

543
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 1: Say?

544
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 3: Lindy's crazy and you don't know what he's doing. He

545
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 3: don't know what he's talking about so they always led

546
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 3: me into a headache. And so it was kind of

547
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 3: twofold because remember you and I worked out in eighty

548
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 3: nine getting ready for the eighty nine season, and I'm like,

549
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 3: first of all, now I got it down. They're gonna

550
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 3: want to talk to me, and I'm not gonna say anything.

551
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 3: I never told him no. I would always say not

552
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 3: right now. And so because they never asked me about me,

553
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 3: what are my struggles? What am I going through? Everything

554
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 3: was leading well, you know, coach guys said this. You

555
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 3: know buddy, you know Lindy and Fannie coaching. Fannie said this,

556
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 3: So it was never just what do you think? What

557
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 3: are you going through? What do you deal?

558
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: Right?

559
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 3: And so it was kind of that, and I was like,

560
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 3: they gonna want to talk to me and I ain't

561
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 3: gonna have anything to say. And I ended up leading

562
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 3: the NFL and catches the follow the next year in

563
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty nine.

564
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, report did you come in?

565
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 2: So what was your weight from the time that you

566
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 2: left the University of South Carolina and then your rookie

567
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 2: year at Green Bay.

568
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 3: I was two o six when I got to I

569
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 3: was between two five and two twelve by junior and

570
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,239
Speaker 3: senior year in college. Because remember you and I, we

571
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 3: were all about waste. We were all about throwing that eye.

572
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 3: We were all about benching, squaddy and power clings.

573
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: We were throwing weight all our lives.

574
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 3: We wanted to be was the four to six club, yep, bench,

575
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,959
Speaker 3: four hundred, squat six hundred yep.

576
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: That's all we did. So I was a solid.

577
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 3: But you also got to remember when I came in

578
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 3: the league, corners didn't go to the huge because they

579
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 3: were standing at the line of scrimmage because they were like,

580
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 3: I got you.

581
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: I don't care what the defense is. I got you.

582
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: So they said Green Bay said I was too big.

583
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 3: Granted they drafted me at two twelve, so I went

584
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 3: from two twelve to one ninety. I couldn't walk from

585
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 3: here to the door without cramping, So that was a

586
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 3: problem trying to deal with. Okay, I don't have any

587
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 3: body fat or salt or anything to be able to

588
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 3: so whenever the temperature got up, bro I cramped. Like

589
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 3: in college, I never came out for warm up because

590
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 3: it was so hot, been in South Carolina, I never

591
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 3: came out for warmup. So it was like I never

592
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 3: really you know, so it was all new to me

593
00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 3: in Green Bay, and you know, they had a way

594
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 3: of doing things, and I had to adjust and adapt

595
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 3: to that way of doing things.

596
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 2: They the injuries, you played through a lot of injuries.

597
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 2: You plowed through broken ribs. You had the turf toe

598
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 2: that you never practiced. You just shot the toe up

599
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 2: during the season, and then after the season you end

600
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 2: up having you had surgeon on that. How difficult was

601
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 2: it for you because you're not getting the Cardio Basculy and.

602
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 3: Man, you like, you know, the thing is is if

603
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 3: I play, don't treat me like I'm injured.

604
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:35,479
Speaker 1: I'm playing.

605
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 3: And all the injuries I went through, if you look,

606
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 3: it was almost like I wasn't hurt, right, you know.

607
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 3: So my whole thing was is I just need to

608
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 3: be there on Sunday. I understand now what to do

609
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 3: on you know, Wednesday through Friday. I just need to

610
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 3: be there on Sunday. And I was fortunate enough to

611
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 3: be in a position to be able to perform being

612
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 3: nicked up in a way that I couldn't practice.

613
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 2: After your rookie year, you come back, you lead the

614
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,719
Speaker 2: league in catches, your first team All Pro, and then

615
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 2: ninety two ninety three, You're the first receiver in NFL

616
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 2: history to go back to back one hundred catches, first

617
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 2: team All Pro. How gratifying or satisfying was it to you?

618
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 2: They're like, I knew I had I knew I could

619
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 2: do this.

620
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: It's just not what had no idea what it was

621
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: I was doing. I'm just doing it.

622
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 3: Hey, you call them a play, you know, and you

623
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 3: know the system as well as anybody. You know, change right,

624
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 3: see left, wagon right, double out, you know two jet Dino,

625
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 3: why shallow cross?

626
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: You know, fox two X? Why I'm just running to play.

627
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,719
Speaker 2: Because you had to coach. Now you could because at

628
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 2: that point in time, you have the coaching change. Now

629
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 2: you got I got Mike.

630
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 3: Honggeran who coached, who came from San Francisco with Jerry

631
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 3: Rice in that organization. So I'm not thinking about the numbers.

632
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 3: I'm just like, hey, man, I'm running the plays. And

633
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 3: they were like, hey, you know, and ninety two it

634
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 3: wasn't a thing. So I'm in the in the MVP

635
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 3: race and I'm like, man, I don't want to be

636
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 3: an MVP race for the Middle of Life, Layer of

637
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 3: the Year. I don't I don't know what this is.

638
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 3: I don't know what leading the league and catches, yards

639
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 3: and touchdown.

640
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: I don't even know what that is. Steve Young, I

641
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: think won the MVP that year in ninety two, did

642
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: it one in ninety three and.

643
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 3: Then the ninety three yep, So I don't know what

644
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 3: that is. But I'm just running the place. I got

645
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 3: no expectation on number. The only time I ever paid

646
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 3: attention to numbers was a dude in Denver.

647
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: Was like, I'm better than you, Sterling, you know, better

648
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: than you.

649
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 3: I bet you twenty grand I had more catches than

650
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 3: you have, more yards and more touchdown And I was like, bro,

651
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 3: don't do that.

652
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: So the dude in Denver bet me that. But they

653
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: stole me out, man, Coach Reeves stowed me out. I

654
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: never won paid attention to the numbers. I never did.

655
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: I just was they called the player.

656
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 3: I ran to play to the best of my ability,

657
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 3: and the numbers just added up.

658
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 2: Before you got the triple crown? Did you know what

659
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,919
Speaker 2: the triple crown was? It wasn't a thing.

660
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 3: I didn't know the Triple Crown was a thing until

661
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 3: Cooper could. The year Cooper Cup did it, the Rams

662
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 3: called me and asked me if I would send a

663
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 3: video message to them that they would play during the

664
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,280
Speaker 3: game that I don't know if it was a playoff

665
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 3: game or regular season game for Cooper Cup. I didn't

666
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 3: even know it was a thing because I think Jerry

667
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 3: had done it in ninety Jerry did it first, yes,

668
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 3: and then I did it in ninety two. And remember now,

669
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 3: in eighty nine, I had led the league in catches

670
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 3: and touchdowns, So.

671
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: Didn't even know what that was. Just I'm playing. All

672
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 1: I'm doing is playing.

673
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 3: So I had no idea the magnitude of what that

674
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 3: would turn out to be.

675
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 2: Being the number one option, because it doesn't matter what

676
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 2: defense they throw. You know, every Wednesday, when they go

677
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 2: on there, they circle you. We've got to stop him.

678
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 2: You're gonna get their best. You're gonna get the Eric Allens,

679
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 2: you're gonna get the Deon Sanders, You're gonna get the

680
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 2: Nis Williams, you're gonna get the Darryl Greens.

681
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: You're going to get the best.

682
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: And to be able to go out there every single

683
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 2: week in function and do your job, did you feel

684
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 2: any added pression?

685
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 3: No, because guess what, they got a job to do,

686
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 3: and I got a job to do. But guess what,

687
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 3: just like I'm over here, if if quarterback seees where

688
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 3: he likes, I may get it.

689
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: If he does and he goes elsewhere.

690
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 3: My whole thing was, I just want to be in

691
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 3: the right place at the right time, and if you

692
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 3: need me, you throw it to me. And the only

693
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 3: thing I ever said to our quarterbacks in the seven

694
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 3: years I played was before we went out on the field,

695
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,919
Speaker 3: or before introductions or whatever the case may be, where

696
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 3: I had that moment, I would always say to our quarterbacks, let.

697
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 1: Us help you. Just let us help you. Let us help.

698
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 1: But I.

699
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 3: Tried to explain this to people that the best of

700
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 3: my ability. Man, I never cared about numbers or rankings

701
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 3: or any of that. I was doing what I wanted

702
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 3: to do and playing. And when I got Mike Homegren

703
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 3: in ninety two, I did understood. I understood what I got.

704
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 3: I got a system that would allow me at the

705
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 3: receiver position to end football games. And I was like,

706
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 3: that's a lot because when you can end for you

707
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 3: know usually and you would know this playing for Mike,

708
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 3: who was in San Francisco at Shanahan.

709
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: At one point, you throw to get the league, you

710
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: run to keep it.

711
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 3: Yep, So we're gonna get the lead and then we're

712
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 3: gonna turn it over it in your case, TVP, we

713
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 3: threw to get the lead, and we threw the end

714
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 3: the football game. And I was at the beginning and

715
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 3: the end of both of those.

716
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: Right.

717
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 3: That is in that which is really ironic because of

718
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 3: all the debating on who's the greatest, you know, Michael

719
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 3: or le Bron and you go, Michael had the system

720
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 3: to triangle Go, yeah, but you know it's Michael Jordan.

721
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 3: Well then you look at LA and Kobe had to

722
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 3: triangle with Phil and there's five out there. And then

723
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 3: you look at Steve Kerr and Golden State, there's four there.

724
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 3: We know what San Francisco did in the system when

725
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 3: I got that system, which.

726
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 1: Allowed me to not have to change.

727
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 3: Mike never once carried about if I weighed twenty one

728
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 3: or two twenty four. The system allowed me to end

729
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 3: football game. Oh that was different. And if there was

730
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 3: one thing that I would like to change is I

731
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 3: would like to check play one more year in that system,

732
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 3: selfishly because of what that system provided for me to do.

733
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: John Gruden, who was you? I think Gruden was your

734
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: position coach Wedding was.

735
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 2: In the last two years. Yeah, he compared you to

736
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan. He said, the more time Sterling touches the ball,

737
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 2: the better chance we have to win. It's no different

738
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 2: than when the Chicago Bulls rote Michael Jordan the three championships.

739
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 2: What was Gruden like find okay? Was he always that animated?

740
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 3: Yes, extremely intelligent. I'm not gonna say smart. He was

741
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 3: extremely intelligent. He's always looking you're on first down, He's like, well,

742
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 3: I'm third and two, I'm gonna do this.

743
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:27,479
Speaker 1: He's always there.

744
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 3: John was always the kind of person that would be like, hey,

745
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 3: can you stay for a minute. I want to show

746
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 3: you something and build my game. I had three outstanding

747
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 3: position coaches. Buddy got Sherm Lewis, John Grugel, and they

748
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 3: all took my game as high as they could before

749
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 3: I got the next one. So it wasn't like, you know,

750
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,720
Speaker 3: Buddy for four years, he couldn't take me any higher.

751
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 3: Sharm for two years, Sharm for a year, and then

752
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 3: I got Gruden for two years. And what John gave me.

753
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 3: He was energetic, intelligent, and he was always thinking two

754
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 3: three moves ahead, which benefited me tremendously.

755
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 2: Those years with Jerry and Michael. That was kind of

756
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 2: the competition. Although Andre Rising.

757
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 3: As far as going to the Pro Bowl and who

758
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 3: thought it was Carter better and all that.

759
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 2: From ninety two to ninety four, you had three hundred

760
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 2: and fourteen receptions, thirty eight hundred and fifty four yards,

761
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 2: forty two touchdowns that same time frame, Jerry had two

762
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 2: ninety two forty two oh three and thirty eight touchdowns.

763
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 2: There was that competition. Well, who's really the best receiver

764
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 2: in the NFL currently right now? Is it Sterling Sharp

765
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 2: and Greenvey or is it Jerry in San Francisco?

766
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: If you say so that, I didn't know that.

767
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 3: Like I said, I just rolled out put my helm

768
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 3: when I rolled out there and tried to, you know,

769
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 3: put up some I was playing.

770
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: Man, I'm playing football. You know.

771
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,720
Speaker 3: All that other stuff is the fan that's the fans stuff.

772
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 3: I enjoy that I'm playing football. And so, but like

773
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 3: I said, when I got Mike Holmgren in that system,

774
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 3: and I got sherm Lewis and John Gruden and Mike

775
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 3: Holmgren calling the plays and talking to me like you

776
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 3: and I are sitting here talking, he gave me something

777
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:23,919
Speaker 3: that I never ever had before, and Buddy McCall tried

778
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 3: to give.

779
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: It to me, but I didn't understand it.

780
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 3: I had ownership. I had ownership. Usually when you're the quarterback,

781
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 3: yes you're gonna have ownership. I was a receiver and

782
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 3: I had ownership of our offense, and that was something

783
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 3: that had never I didn't understand, but I went with it,

784
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 3: and that was really cool having Mike Hunger and talk

785
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 3: to me during games and be like, what are they

786
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 3: doing on what do you see on third?

787
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: And this? You know, what do you like? Oh? Well,

788
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: you know?

789
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 3: Because I had ownership, It was really cool to be

790
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 3: a part of that system and that offense for the

791
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 3: length of time I got to play at it.

792
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 2: Have you thought about your Mott Rushmore receivers that had

793
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,439
Speaker 2: you had, had you continue, let's just say you play

794
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 2: another five years.

795
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 3: It's unfair and I have constantly shied away from it

796
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 3: because no one's gonna have Don Hudson. First, Don Hudson

797
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 3: had ninety nine touchdowns when they were throwing the box

798
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 3: twice again, ninety nine when they were throwing it two

799
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 3: times a game. No one's gonna add him. No one's

800
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 3: gonna happen when I mentioned Charlie Henninigan. Nobody's gonna mention

801
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 3: them last. No one's gonna mention Lambs. You know, no

802
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 3: one's gonna mention Raymond Berry. And I'm like, how fair

803
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 3: is it? Because you're only going to talk about what

804
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 3: you see. I'm not gonna do that to those guys

805
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,919
Speaker 3: because they were actually Hella receivers in their own right.

806
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 2: Do you think anybody's gonna break Jarvis's record, which won

807
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,720
Speaker 2: one hundred and ninety seven career touchdown catches.

808
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: He has two o seven total thousand yards fifty.

809
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 3: It'd be hard to say no, because the the adding game,

810
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 3: when the rules that were set up for them to

811
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 3: do it. Yeah, So do I think someone will do it? Yes,

812
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 3: only because of the way the game is going. Remember

813
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 3: when in our day, defenses could impose their will on you. Yes,

814
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 3: they could deter you from six catches and four touchdowns

815
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 3: a year.

816
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 1: They can't do that now.

817
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 3: The players don't want to do that now, right, So yeah,

818
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 3: somebody will break that eventually.

819
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, somebody will break it.

820
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 2: Jim Brown had a quote reftless so he said he

821
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 2: could play in any era.

822
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 3: Greatest quote, greatest compliment ever gotten athletically, greatest compliment ever

823
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 3: gotten athletically.

824
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: How different is the game today than when you played.

825
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 3: Other than the defenses imposing their wills. And you don't

826
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 3: have to be a technician. I prided myself and being

827
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 3: a technician, I'm getting out of my break with the

828
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 3: best of them. Dion was a lot faster here, but

829
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 3: and I'm developing a counter to his speed, a counter

830
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,879
Speaker 3: to Dion. And when we're using Dion, because he's one

831
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 3: of the greats, I'm using prime Dion speed. I got

832
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 3: to counter it with power. There ain't no sense in

833
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 3: me and you running forty fifty sixty yards, you're probably

834
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 3: gonna win. Now, okay, here's this to be doing it?

835
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 3: But I tell you what I will do. Let's see

836
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 3: what you look like after eight catches and you got

837
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 3: to make six tackles.

838
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 1: Let's see what you look like after.

839
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:34,720
Speaker 3: Eight slams, eight hitches, eight comebacks, eight curls. Because now

840
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 3: I'm putting him in what I feel and got nothing

841
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 3: to do with him. I'm putting him in what I

842
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 3: feel his uncomfort zone is hamp for Dition and Frank Minifield,

843
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 3: Albert Lewis, and Kevin Ross Carl Lee and Naji Muhammad

844
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 3: straight up bump and run corners. I got Mac and

845
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 3: watching the line, L Yes, I got. I got to

846
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:04,720
Speaker 3: counter what you do well and encountering what you do well.

847
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 3: I'm bringing power. I'm bringing two hundred and twenty pounds

848
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 3: and I won't contact. You know, back then they didn't

849
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 3: have smoke, but I wanted that smoke. I want to

850
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 3: see you make this tackle because that was my way

851
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 3: of imposing my will on them.

852
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 2: Andy Reid said, if you didn't get hurt, you would

853
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 2: go down as maybe the greatest receiver to play the game.

854
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 2: How was the and of the coach? And it was

855
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 2: a tight end coaching.

856
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 3: Yes, fun loving, outstanding, very intelligent and really in tuned

857
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 3: with the team.

858
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: What Mike Holmgren did.

859
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 3: Was prepared all those guys to be head coaches. Yep,

860
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 3: he did a really good job of that. I love

861
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 3: Mike to this day because he was a lot like

862
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 3: I try to be. He just gave it away. You

863
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 3: want information here it is. You want money to a

864
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 3: default here it is, You want time here it is.

865
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 3: And Andy Reid is the spitting image of Mike Homegrin

866
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 3: because he just you see how Patrick Mahone played without restriction.

867
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:11,879
Speaker 3: Just give it away, go ahead and play your way.

868
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 3: I'll adjust.

869
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:13,479
Speaker 1: Wow.

870
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,399
Speaker 3: Loved the way Andy was with me in Green Bay

871
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 3: and how he's doing now in Kansas City.

872
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,439
Speaker 1: Who's the toughest corner? You played against.

873
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 3: Ricky Reynolds and Tampa, Don Griffin and San Francisco and

874
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 3: in my division also, I would say Carl, Ricky Reynolds

875
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 3: and Don Griffin were technically sound as fast as me

876
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 3: wanted to make every tackle. Yeah, Carl was difficult because

877
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 3: he was long, he had really good speed. He wasn't

878
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 3: above average and speed, but he was long, and he

879
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 3: was technically probably the most dominant corner technically that I

880
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 3: played again, because he was all about the positions, because

881
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 3: if I hit my positions, I put you in the

882
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 3: positions I need you to be in for me to

883
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 3: cover you. So he I mean those three guys because

884
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 3: I played against Don he was in my division every year,

885
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 3: and then I played against Carl, who was in my

886
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 3: division every year.

887
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: Because only you face time what once or twice.

888
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:27,280
Speaker 3: Twice here, once at Fulton County, once in the dome,

889
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 3: right and times.

890
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: So he ain't want no problems and say you just

891
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: too strong.

892
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,760
Speaker 3: Only only because of what he brought at the time

893
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 3: when he brought to the table in Fulton County. He

894
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:41,240
Speaker 3: was everywhere inside outside, He followed me. When we played

895
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 3: in the Dome was the probably the only time I

896
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 3: remember Tim mccarr hey man, what you doing here ain't

897
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 3: gonna and it ain't gonna in well for you. And

898
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 3: only because that's how I talked.

899
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: I was. I was trash talking, friendly but personal.

900
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 3: But those three guys Carl Lee, Don Griffin and San

901
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 3: Francisco Ricky Reynolds in Tampa technically where the three probably

902
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 3: when you can cover and tackling because you had to

903
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 3: block them because they were they wanted to make the

904
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 3: tackle on the running back or so you had to

905
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 3: block them. They were probably the three technically most sound

906
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 3: guys I played.

907
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 2: Who is your favorite player to watch? When you're standing

908
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 2: on the sideline and you watching somebody.

909
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 3: Anthony Carter by far, and I'm not talking, I probably

910
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 3: can't tell you to catch Anthony Carter made in the NFL.

911
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 3: But when I saw number one at Michigan, I was like,

912
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 3: that's it right there, That right now is what I want.

913
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: I know where I want to be now. I want

914
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 1: to be that right there.

915
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 3: Anthony Carter, uh was my favorite player, and I met

916
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 3: him once in the airport after he and I were

917
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 3: both done playing. Anthony Carter when he was at Michigan.

918
00:47:55,200 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: Ain't nobody better? What was your favorite route? Smoke? May

919
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 1: you just want to catch a hitch?

920
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 3: Yes, sir, If you throw it forty yards and I

921
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 3: go seventy. You know, if you throw it fifteen yards

922
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 3: and I go forty. But if you throw it behind

923
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,240
Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage and I run over to guys

924
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 3: and pick up fourteen yards, they remember, you remember, And

925
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 3: so I just wanted the ball in my hands. So

926
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 3: when I got Mike homegrin and he caught smoke thunder

927
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 3: on and you know, smoke thunder on the hall Man

928
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 3: three step lion a lion, Denver, Colorado. You know when

929
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 3: we got those where we were just running hitches, slants, stops,

930
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 3: slant goals, get it in, get it to me as

931
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 3: quick as possible.

932
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: You have a pregame routine. No one could touch my hands.

933
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 3: So I was never a high five nobody because I said,

934
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 3: if nobody can touch nobody can touch my hands, nobody

935
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 3: can get my head. But my pre game routine was

936
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 3: when I came. When I got one in the NFL,

937
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 3: because remember I didn't come out in college. In the

938
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 3: NFL was just to come out and just to be

939
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 3: out enjoy looking around stadium fans, see friends that you developed.

940
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 3: I got a chance to spend time with you on

941
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:24,800
Speaker 3: the you know during pre game.

942
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 2: Maybe you held the lane in Temple, yelled at the

943
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 2: road to Temple and other than the game.

944
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 3: Line high five on us when we came out, and

945
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 3: Lindy was like, who the hell is that?

946
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 1: I was like, it's my brother. They about to be

947
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 1: to come back because you showed that you had a Yeah.

948
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 3: Show did, But no, I didn't really have a pregame routine.

949
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 3: I was just more of I'm ready to go, let's go.

950
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: You played with T Crew, Ted Crew, what was T

951
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: Cruise like? Man? I thought it just showed. You know.

952
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 3: Terry was one of the guys that showed me. I

953
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 3: didn't know what I was looking at, but I he

954
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 3: was fun, he worked, and I say he really wanted

955
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 3: the NFL. He put it in the time, he put

956
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 3: it in the effort, and I was really I can

957
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 3: say I was disappointed when Terry got let go because

958
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 3: I thought with his size, his strength and his feet,

959
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 3: he would definitely make our right the playoffs.

960
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 2: You had a couple that your first playoff game Detroit,

961
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 2: three touchdowns, the game winning touchdown.

962
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: What do you remember about that game.

963
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,439
Speaker 3: That I was trying to come out on the game

964
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 3: winning touchdown. I was trying to come out of the

965
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 3: game because of my turf toe. We ran flanker drive

966
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 3: and the guy fell on it, and I'm Robert Brooks

967
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 3: is standing from me to you, and I'm trying to

968
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 3: tell him to come in the game, and Mike is

969
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 3: telling Brett to play twenty five twenty five double square

970
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 3: out yep, Mark Clayton. So we as the receivers made

971
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 3: the decision to win, not going to switch side. What

972
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 3: we're gonna do is is Ed West goes left. Mark

973
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 3: now as the ex you're the flankers, step off twenty

974
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 3: five twenty five, twenty five. Kevin Scott's standing right there.

975
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 3: I know the safety's coming over the top, so it's

976
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:16,240
Speaker 3: three cloud. Brett takes his drop, looks at Mark Clayton.

977
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:20,320
Speaker 3: There is no one within one hundred miles of Mark Clayton,

978
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 3: no one. Brett could have underhanded the ball and it

979
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 3: would have been a catch and Mark would have probably

980
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 3: gotten to the one three cloud corner squats. Everybody rolls

981
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 3: over safeties right behind me. I'm running, I run to

982
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 3: Scott kind of drifts well our tight end ed I

983
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 3: think it was Ed West pops wide open on the

984
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 3: basic cross and the safety that was supposed to be

985
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 3: over the top jumpson and Brett goes. It's the only

986
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 3: time I've ever seen his eyes. I've caught a lot

987
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 3: of deep bass from Brett, but usually you know when

988
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 3: you run a deep route, look up right. So it

989
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 3: was the only time, and it was almost like he

990
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 3: was like Clayton, no, I'm gonna move, and he just

991
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 3: let it go. Game set, match, Tracey else the contract.

992
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:22,320
Speaker 3: You had some contract issue with the Packers. They promised

993
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 3: you one thing and that it didn't happen. You go

994
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 3: through training camp, you do everything, and then the night

995
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 3: before the first.

996
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: Game, which is how it's supposed to be done. Yes,

997
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,720
Speaker 1: and I'll say this.

998
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 3: Worked out well for me because after that season, I

999
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 3: never played another down. So with that those monies, I

1000
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 3: was able to secure most of my future because I

1001
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 3: got to increase my insurance, not knowing I got to

1002
00:52:56,000 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 3: secure my family's future based on that decision of holding

1003
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 3: out of the first game. I was going to miss

1004
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 3: the first game and I was going to do it,

1005
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 3: but it worked out.

1006
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 2: Your final season, you have ninety four catches, eleven hundred

1007
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 2: and nineteen yards. The eighteen touchdown is still currently tied

1008
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 2: for third most touchdowns any single season.

1009
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 3: When there's only one person happier, two people than me.

1010
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 1: That my career ended.

1011
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 3: And I was a two specialists that said you should

1012
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 3: definitely play football again. They were the happy they were,

1013
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 3: you know, they were like, hey, based on what we see,

1014
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 3: you shouldn't play football again. I was up the table.

1015
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, appreciate that information. And because remember

1016
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 3: all I wanted to do was play. I wasn't playing

1017
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 3: for a length of time or status or to be

1018
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 3: on someone's Mount Rushmore or be considered one of the great.

1019
00:53:58,080 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: I just wanted to play right and I did that.

1020
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 3: And so when it was time for me to find

1021
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 3: something else to do, the American dream was you go

1022
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 3: to college and get your degree and allows you to

1023
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 3: compete with anyone for a position or a job. I

1024
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 3: had my degree, and I was like, I couldn't you know,

1025
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 3: once I get out of this neck braks, I'm going

1026
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 3: to be able to compete and lo and behold. I

1027
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 3: ended up in TV. But my career, my job ending

1028
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 3: then did the way it was supposed to, because I

1029
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 3: would probably be still trying to play if it was

1030
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:30,720
Speaker 3: it didn't.

1031
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,879
Speaker 2: What do you remember because I remember watching the game

1032
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:37,760
Speaker 2: and I saw you blocking your former teammate Brad Edwards

1033
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 2: for the Falcons, and then you just like to lapse.

1034
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: What you don't see, what you didn't see.

1035
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:46,959
Speaker 3: Being in Denver was I had been having episodes in

1036
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty nine, my rights, my left side went no. Okay,

1037
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 3: just standing here talking to the guys at practice one day,

1038
00:54:55,200 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 3: left side went no. In nineteen ninety one, my right leg,

1039
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 3: left shoulder would just go numb. The end of ninety one,

1040
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 3: I could control my hand, but I had no feeling

1041
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 3: in it. So I started having symptoms, and then I

1042
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 3: started having a lot more my last season, you know,

1043
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:25,320
Speaker 3: holding my head down, I could feel my spine vibrating,

1044
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 3: and when you hit your spine, it feels like you're

1045
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 3: on fire, and I.

1046
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: Would be like, ooh, that burns, you know.

1047
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 3: So I started having I started having episodes, and I

1048
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,439
Speaker 3: kind of had an idea what it was, but you go.

1049
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 3: You know, you still can do everything, So I keep doing.

1050
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 2: It lying on the field. You laid there for like

1051
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 2: three minutes, and I remember you tell me I was trying.

1052
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 1: I was.

1053
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 3: I was trying to get up, yeah, but I had

1054
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 3: no strength to get up. And then Andre Rising, one

1055
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 3: of my best friends, Andre Rising, is top talking to

1056
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 3: me and he is making me laugh. So Andre and I,

1057
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 3: I'm laying on the field. I can move, but I

1058
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:12,280
Speaker 3: can't control my movement. But I'm laughing with this fool.

1059
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 3: And then Brad comes over and he's like, Stirl, you okay.

1060
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: Oh.

1061
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, yeah, I just need to, you know,

1062
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 3: because I'm trying to figure out what's going on. Why

1063
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 3: can't I can move? But why can't I get it upright?

1064
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:27,760
Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, the feeling came back

1065
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 3: and I was fine. And I remember before that I

1066
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 3: caught a touchdown pass on the right side. Well, the

1067
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 3: corner hits me and I turned my left ankle so

1068
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 3: bad that I tore the tape and I used to

1069
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 3: get taped to my skin. So when you tear that tape,

1070
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:48,919
Speaker 3: that's severe. And my ankle was about this big and

1071
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 3: in hindsight, that was.

1072
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:54,479
Speaker 1: The signal for me to be like, shut it down.

1073
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 3: But I'm like, no, retape it, you know, take that

1074
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 3: back up and we'll make it go again. And so

1075
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:06,399
Speaker 3: I knew after that game that I probably was not

1076
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 3: going to play again.

1077
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: But you played the following week because you go to Tampa.

1078
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 3: Only because we needed to have a home playoff game, right.

1079
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 3: And I told Mike, I said, hey, if you're gonna

1080
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 3: get it to me, you better get it to me

1081
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 3: early because I don't know how long I'm gonna be

1082
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 3: in this game, right, And I had this thing was

1083
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 3: about that big and I don't practice all week, right,

1084
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 3: And I ended up with I don't know the particular

1085
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 3: numbers about.

1086
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 2: Now for a buck thirty two and three touchdowns, that

1087
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 2: the last time you ever caught a pass in the NFL.

1088
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: But I knew, if you're gonna get it to me,

1089
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 1: you better get it to me early. I don't know

1090
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:42,439
Speaker 1: how long I'm gonna be in this.

1091
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 2: You reinjured the neck when you re I think Thomas

1092
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 2: ever glazed you as he went back.

1093
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: He didn't even you know.

1094
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 3: The thing was is, like I said, the episodes that

1095
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 3: I was having. I remember one day one night laying

1096
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 3: in bed and luger my rock barn and I jumped

1097
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 3: up and hit my spine and fell back and was

1098
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 3: like what the I could move, but I had no

1099
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 3: control over my move So I had had symptoms for

1100
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 3: like nine weeks. That was, you know, leading up to

1101
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 3: this is it, which made it easier for me because I,

1102
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 3: you know, it wasn't like one hit that's it. You know,

1103
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 3: I had enough tell tale signs that it was like

1104
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 3: this is it?

1105
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 1: Did you ever think about coming back? No? I can.

1106
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:36,919
Speaker 3: I think I can say this now it's been enough time.

1107
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 3: Jerry Jones called me at ESPN and asked me, sterling it,

1108
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 3: could you play? And I said yeah, but I but Jerry,

1109
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna play football anymore. When I was doing

1110
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 3: TV in nineteen ninety five, asked me if I could play,

1111
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 3: But no, I never considered coming back because that that

1112
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 3: I'm what am I coming back forward? Because I did

1113
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 3: what I wanted to do, and that would be move

1114
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 3: when the goal post on God, because I asked him

1115
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 3: to let me play, and if I come back to play,

1116
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 3: I'm moving the goal post post, which is unfair and

1117
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 3: I didn't want to do that.

1118
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 2: When the packers waged you, did you have any emotions

1119
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 2: where they're like, ro I mean, y'all, no.

1120
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 1: I understood, well, I knew, we knew, we knew. I was.

1121
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 3: Here's the only thing that the packers did that bothered me.

1122
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 3: Not one person called to say, how'd your surgery go?

1123
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 3: Because they're fixing my spine? That I could, I could

1124
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 3: roll out of there and never walk again. I could

1125
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 3: die on the operating table. Not one person from the

1126
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 3: organization said, hey, you know, how'd your surgery go? Not

1127
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 3: the cold one person from the organization was like, hey,

1128
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 3: look man, god we're pulling for you. You know, let

1129
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 3: us know if you need anything. Not one person in

1130
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 3: the organization checked up. That was the only thing that

1131
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 3: I was. I wasn't bothered. I was disappointed in you

1132
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 3: don't owe me anything, but I as men a common decency,

1133
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 3: common courtesy, and the fact that that was life altering.

1134
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 3: Not one, not one person from the organization. I don't

1135
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 3: think you understand. That's player, trainer, front office, cod damn

1136
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 3: no one.

1137
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 1: That's the only thing that bothered me. Not one player,

1138
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 1: not one player.

1139
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 3: And I got no problem with that, because hey, look man,

1140
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 3: we understand how cutthroat the business is.

1141
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 1: The season just ended. We just lost to Dallas in

1142
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: the divisional round.

1143
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 3: I think it was for a chance to go to

1144
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 3: the NFC Championship game.

1145
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 1: All this is happening, and so I get it.

1146
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 3: You leave in Green Bay, gatting out of the cold,

1147
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 3: You're you're trying to figure out some got contracts, babies

1148
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 3: being born, Hey, man, life happens.

1149
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 1: But not one person from the organization was like, how

1150
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 1: did the thing go?

1151
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 3: Yes, and that that botherer was that's odd. That that

1152
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 3: a common decency. And I'm saying a common yeah, a

1153
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 3: common decence. That's not asking too much.

1154
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: Now. I didn't add, hey, look, I understand.

1155
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 3: Organization wise, you got to find uh uh do you

1156
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 3: have the receivers in the room that we can go

1157
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 3: from where we are and keep going upward.

1158
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: I get that. What pieces are we going to bring

1159
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 1: in to help us? I get that.

1160
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 3: Not one person, trainer, no one bothered me to the

1161
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 3: point I was okay, man, I'm like. As soon as

1162
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 3: I got out of my braves, Doc said your neck

1163
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 3: is solid, I was like, okay, I'm good. And then

1164
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 3: you know, everything fell into place with the ESPN. I

1165
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 3: was off and running, and it was so funny that

1166
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 3: I never thought about it until the Hall of Fame happened.

1167
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 3: And when the Hall of Fame happened, now I start

1168
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 3: to hear from people in the organization, and I'm saying

1169
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 3: to myself, how do I feel about that? Honestly, Like,

1170
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 3: you know what, when I was at my proverbial lowest,

1171
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 3: never hurt from them what you would perceive as my highest.

1172
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 3: I really don't need to hear from y'all. I'm not mad,

1173
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 3: I'm not disappointed. It's just none of the people that you.

1174
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 1: Can't have one without the other right now.

1175
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 3: Granted there's a lot of change in turnover, all change

1176
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 3: from all change and turnover from when I was there

1177
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 3: until now, but still, you know, it was still a

1178
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 3: little bit nutsting. It doesn't have the value it should.

1179
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 3: And I was just like, you know, you know, the

1180
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 3: Green Bay Packers were gracious and to throw me a

1181
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame party at the Hall of Fame, and

1182
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 3: I did everything on my can't that I could to

1183
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 3: get them not to because I'm like, I don't feel

1184
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 3: comfortable accepting that, you know. But but Kathy and the

1185
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 3: Green Bay Packers have been wonderful.

1186
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 1: This group of folks have been.

1187
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 2: How how many from the former Packers like when you

1188
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 2: were there the organization? Do you think will be at

1189
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 2: the ceremony on Saturday? I have no idea. I do

1190
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 2: know Don Mkowski. I will say I believe Ron Hallstrom,

1191
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 2: but I really don't know.

1192
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:43,080
Speaker 1: I'm not that guy. I'm not nostalgic. Man.

1193
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 3: I lived twenty something miles from the University of South Carolina.

1194
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 3: I ain't never been back to watch a game. I've

1195
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 3: never been to alumni we can in Green Bay. I'm

1196
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 3: not that guy. I mean, I did what I wanted

1197
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 3: to do, and man, have at it. I'm just not

1198
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 3: built that way to be. I think of my teammates,

1199
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 3: I probably talked to two, maybe three keep inside Perry Kemp,

1200
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 3: Clance Weathers, Don Makowski.

1201
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 1: Every now and then, he and I'll link up. I'll

1202
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:16,439
Speaker 1: see him somewhere. But I don't.

1203
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 3: I mean, I loved all my teammates. I loved playing

1204
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 3: with him, Leroy Butler, who was a Hall of Famer.

1205
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 3: But I don't, you know, I don't talk to a

1206
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 3: lot of them.

1207
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 1: When you leave, you don't play.

1208
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 2: In ninety five year, retire, and the next two years

1209
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 2: the Packers go to the Super Bowl, they win when

1210
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:35,640
Speaker 2: they lose one, did you like?

1211
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 1: Damn?

1212
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 3: No, I didn't play football to go to the Super Bowl,

1213
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:42,840
Speaker 3: didn't play football to go to to the Hall of Fame,

1214
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 3: didn't play football to be in All Pro, didn't play

1215
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 3: football to go to the Pro Bowl.

1216
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 1: I did know that.

1217
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 3: The first year I went, I took living and I

1218
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:55,439
Speaker 3: wanted to go back so I could take you. And

1219
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 3: then the next time I was like, the next time

1220
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:00,120
Speaker 3: I go back is when he plays in one. He

1221
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 3: don't plan one. I ain't going back. And the next

1222
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 3: time I went, you made it. So I'm not, as

1223
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 3: I said, I'm not built that way. You know, Green

1224
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 3: Bay going At least I had an idea. A lot

1225
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 3: of the guys were still on the team of what

1226
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 3: they were going through to get there. Andre Rising slid

1227
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 3: into the number eighty four. Yeah, caught a touchdown. I

1228
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 3: was extremely happy for him and that success, but no,

1229
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 3: it never bothered me.

1230
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 2: Now we're less than a week away from going into

1231
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:34,800
Speaker 2: the Pro Football Hall of Fame and what they're three

1232
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 2: eighty two, three eighty three, I'm three eighty two. But

1233
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 2: we're the first set of brothers. Yes, that's cool. Of

1234
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 2: twenty over twenty five thousand men that have played, that's coached, owned,

1235
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:49,640
Speaker 2: general managed over twenty five thousand men.

1236
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:52,959
Speaker 1: We're the first two brothers. Wow, have you thought about

1237
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 1: what that meant? Yeah?

1238
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, two little black boys from Glenville, Georgia that didn't

1239
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 3: have a male figure in the household after age eleven

1240
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:10,120
Speaker 3: or ten and thirteen, that was pretty much predominantly raised

1241
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 3: by women that didn't live in a house. We're running

1242
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 3: water until nineteen eighty eight. Absolutely, it's just, you know,

1243
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 3: it's God's gift to being on the path, not deviating

1244
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 3: from that path, not trying to alter that path, and

1245
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 3: not trying to change you know what.

1246
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 1: We could always get there from where we were at. Yeah. Man,

1247
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 1: who reminds you what receiver reminds you of you today? None?

1248
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 1: And Gwambolden. That's what I was gonna say when kwam

1249
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:42,080
Speaker 1: Bolden was probably the one.

1250
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 3: THEO you know too, But you met to before I

1251
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 3: need too? Yeah, Yeah, t O and I go way

1252
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 3: way back. I want to say to was in high

1253
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:57,439
Speaker 3: school when I met Teo too. Kind of in a way,

1254
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:01,640
Speaker 3: I don't know if he is at as then I'm

1255
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 3: gonna say physical in a sense, I don't think he

1256
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 3: loves contact like I did.

1257
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:07,920
Speaker 1: But t O.

1258
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:13,920
Speaker 3: Baby Deebo Samuels, who's a South Carolina gamecock.

1259
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:16,919
Speaker 1: Also, Debo just got to stop getting hurt.

1260
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:20,360
Speaker 3: Man. I need you every day, Debo. But Debo reminds

1261
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 3: me a lot of me.

1262
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:24,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you.

1263
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 2: Could play with any quarterback currently playing today, who would

1264
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 2: like to currently playing currently play it.

1265
01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:34,520
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, Joe Burrow.

1266
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna say Joe Burrow because I would like

1267
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 3: to say I would like to help him. I'm not Hey,

1268
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 3: Jamar has done there. You know, hey, man, that cat's

1269
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:51,800
Speaker 3: that cat's special. But I think Joe Burrow just in

1270
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 3: from what I have seen since he's been in the league,

1271
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 3: since he left Ohio State actually went to l SU.

1272
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:00,680
Speaker 3: What I've seen, I think I'd like to play with him,

1273
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 3: just to see what he sees and hear what he

1274
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 3: says and how he talks. You know, playing with Patrick

1275
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 3: Mahomes be like playing with Brett you.

1276
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 1: Know, hey here you know or and you know, believe

1277
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:14,720
Speaker 1: it or not.

1278
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:18,720
Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes has a lot more Mike Tomzacht than he

1279
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 3: does Mike Brett bark but t Zach or flip it

1280
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 3: to you, throw it behind his back, you know, call

1281
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:29,000
Speaker 3: a running play, miss the handoff, roll out and be like,

1282
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:35,760
Speaker 3: here's a flip, you know, touchdown right here, Lamar. I'd

1283
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 3: like to play with Lamar Lamar Jackson too, you know.

1284
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 3: And I go back and forth because I've had this

1285
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 3: conversation with myself. Joe Burrow or Lamar Jackson are the

1286
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 3: two I think I'd love to play with.

1287
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 1: Just to just to get a feel for their game

1288
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 1: and what they see you left the game.

1289
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 2: And I think the thing is about golf is that

1290
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:56,680
Speaker 2: I don't think I'm off base saying this that you

1291
01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 2: love playing golf more than you ever love playing football.

1292
01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:04,719
Speaker 3: By far, I make on average seventy four decisions around.

1293
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:06,559
Speaker 1: It ain't none of them right.

1294
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:10,559
Speaker 3: Ain't none of them right, whether it's the right club

1295
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 3: or the right line on this fuck, or the right

1296
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:17,719
Speaker 3: shot shape to hit, or the right club. It's seventy four,

1297
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:19,960
Speaker 3: seventy six decisions.

1298
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 1: And they're all wrong. But you know what, you accept them.

1299
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 3: And remember you ain't doing this for Tiger or Scottie

1300
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 3: Scheffler or Jack Nicholas.

1301
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:33,160
Speaker 1: You out here playing for you.

1302
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:37,440
Speaker 3: It's the exact same way and the exact same paralletter

1303
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 3: that I had playing football. So if I shoot seventy eight,

1304
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:44,719
Speaker 3: ain't nobody happier than me? If I shoot sixty eight,

1305
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 3: ain't nobody happier to me? Because I'm doing this, I'm

1306
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 3: playing this. I'm out here for me and me alone.

1307
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 3: So it's wonderful. Like I said, I love I love

1308
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:56,680
Speaker 3: the fact that I got to make a decision and

1309
01:09:56,800 --> 01:10:00,679
Speaker 3: I got to support and live with that decision. Nobody

1310
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 3: care about the decision I make with me. You have

1311
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 3: played against Jordan, not against him, No, not even with him.

1312
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 3: I've played behind him and in front of him, but

1313
01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:14,439
Speaker 3: not even when he would go into Tahoe, not even

1314
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:18,280
Speaker 3: with him. Right if y'all played, you think you beat him?

1315
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:24,240
Speaker 3: Nowadays he would probably. You know, I have lost a lot, man,

1316
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:27,720
Speaker 3: you know, which which wonderful. We haven't talked about my

1317
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:31,920
Speaker 3: eye surgeries. I've had enough eye surgeries that my life

1318
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 3: and game has changed, and I have my body atrophy,

1319
01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:40,599
Speaker 3: lost strength, distance. You know, I don't know how much

1320
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:43,600
Speaker 3: Mike is playing with small kids, and you know, I

1321
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 3: don't know how much he's playing, but I can still

1322
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 3: get it around it.

1323
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:48,439
Speaker 1: Just you know, it's different.

1324
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:51,800
Speaker 3: It's like you know, driving a car, but it's not

1325
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 3: a Ferrari or a Lamborghini, but it'll take you and

1326
01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 3: get you where you need to go.

1327
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:58,360
Speaker 2: Well, you mentioned the surgery, and since you brought it up,

1328
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:02,800
Speaker 2: you had a very serio I issue three and.

1329
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 1: Got another one.

1330
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 3: You know, I had a retina that that was detached,

1331
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:10,760
Speaker 3: that tour that had a cataract removed, and now have

1332
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:13,639
Speaker 3: a hole? Am I retina as I'm sitting here right now,

1333
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 3: So I am going. I was supposed to have surgery

1334
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 3: the monday after the Hall of Fame induction, but I

1335
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 3: was like, will I be able to fly to Green

1336
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:30,679
Speaker 3: Bay on September eleven to get my ring? And he said, ooh,

1337
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:33,680
Speaker 3: that's cutting it close. And I said, well, is it

1338
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 3: possible to postpone the surgery until after September eleven? Because

1339
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:46,840
Speaker 3: we know it tour somewhere between July third and last week.

1340
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 3: So my surgery is pushed postponed until after September eleventh.

1341
01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 3: But I'm going to be face down, reading a surgery

1342
01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 3: gas bubble, face down for X amount of hours a

1343
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 3: day for fourteen, sixteen, eighteen days. Again, so it takes

1344
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:09,519
Speaker 3: a lot out of you because and I think I

1345
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:14,040
Speaker 3: said this to you, I've never contemplated suicide. But because

1346
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:17,480
Speaker 3: of what I've gone through since October with this, I oh,

1347
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:18,080
Speaker 3: I got a.

1348
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:19,920
Speaker 1: Great understanding of it right now.

1349
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:24,439
Speaker 3: Because when you go through the four drops four times

1350
01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 3: a day, you got three drops three times a day.

1351
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:30,720
Speaker 3: You got two drops five times a day, and each

1352
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:32,759
Speaker 3: one of those drops got to be five minutes apart.

1353
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:35,720
Speaker 3: So when you are tired and you jump into bed,

1354
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 3: wait a minute, what's your drop regimen? When you get

1355
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:41,760
Speaker 3: up and you got to get back face down, what's

1356
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 3: your drop regimen? And remember each drop has to be

1357
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 3: five minutes at least five minutes apart. So you get

1358
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:51,559
Speaker 3: to a point where you're like, man, the hell with

1359
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:54,439
Speaker 3: these drops. But I'm doing everything I can to try

1360
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:58,080
Speaker 3: and save my vision and my eye, and so it

1361
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:03,559
Speaker 3: is taxing, it is trying it because of my eye,

1362
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:08,960
Speaker 3: I probably have not enjoyed being a selectee to the

1363
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:12,479
Speaker 3: Pro Football Hall of Fame as much because if you

1364
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:16,760
Speaker 3: ask me and November, I'll give you a choice. I'll

1365
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:20,120
Speaker 3: give you back sight in your right eye as you

1366
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 3: had it, or I will make you a Pro Football

1367
01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 3: Hall of Famer. I would have chosen my right eye

1368
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:31,439
Speaker 3: every day and twice on Sunday, that's that's how where

1369
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:32,480
Speaker 3: I am.

1370
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:34,680
Speaker 1: With this, because it's it's you.

1371
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just had a cataract removed July sec July first.

1372
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 1: And let me tell you what's really crazy is.

1373
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:54,519
Speaker 3: You're like, I'm never it doesn't seem like I'm ever

1374
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:57,160
Speaker 3: gonna catch. This might be the first time I lose.

1375
01:13:58,280 --> 01:14:00,920
Speaker 3: This might be the first time I lose. And when

1376
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:04,960
Speaker 3: I say lose, I'm not in control. I don't know

1377
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 3: the outcome. I'm not prepared for the outcome. I'm like

1378
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:13,040
Speaker 3: this I and there's no pain. This might be the

1379
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:16,800
Speaker 3: first time I lose, which is really not difficult, but

1380
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:19,920
Speaker 3: hard to understand and to carry.

1381
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 1: Why is family so important to you?

1382
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:25,680
Speaker 3: It's all I had When I had nothing, I had

1383
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 3: you guys. When I got what people thought was everything,

1384
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:34,719
Speaker 3: I had you guys. And so when you look at family,

1385
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:38,920
Speaker 3: you look at people that may not care that you

1386
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:41,439
Speaker 3: are a hall of Famer. That's great. You look at

1387
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:43,760
Speaker 3: people that may be really excited at you're a hall

1388
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:46,120
Speaker 3: of Famer, that's great. You look at people that like

1389
01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:48,519
Speaker 3: to talk a lot outstanding. You look at people that

1390
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:51,920
Speaker 3: don't talk. I mean, I go home to see Libby

1391
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 3: and we may say fifteen twenty words a day, you know,

1392
01:14:57,400 --> 01:14:58,960
Speaker 3: and people were like, what really.

1393
01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 1: I mean you and I.

1394
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:02,439
Speaker 3: Used to be together and we would say, hey, man,

1395
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 3: when you want to eat, Hey you want to go

1396
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:04,840
Speaker 3: to the movie?

1397
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, I mean we didn't. It wasn't like a

1398
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:09,880
Speaker 1: lot of burbage.

1399
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:15,160
Speaker 3: So you know, family is everything because you don't have

1400
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 3: to do and be a certain way to be.

1401
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 1: Around them or with them.

1402
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:23,280
Speaker 2: Bro, congratulations, thank you. What half of the First Brothers

1403
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:25,120
Speaker 2: is in the Pro Football Hall of Fame? The best

1404
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:28,080
Speaker 2: half of the pro first brother in the Pro Football

1405
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. The lady at a Sweetened Savory ATL.

1406
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:35,040
Speaker 2: She said, I want to do something special for your brother.

1407
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 2: I said, well, it's favorite cake is at last I

1408
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:39,519
Speaker 2: checked it's probably read be able to German chok and

1409
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:41,320
Speaker 2: no problem. She said, I can do what I can do.

1410
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:43,639
Speaker 2: I can I say, can you get it done? She said,

1411
01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 2: I would love to get it done. She made this.

1412
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:50,080
Speaker 2: This is a sweetened Savory ATL. Sweet Savory thank you.

1413
01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:54,599
Speaker 2: I think I think I DMed her yes about one

1414
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 2: of her cakes she had online. I think I was like, oh,

1415
01:15:57,160 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 2: I need to get one of those.

1416
01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:01,080
Speaker 1: Yep. So but no, thank you you very much. Sweet

1417
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:05,880
Speaker 1: and savory a t L. Yeah, we're gonna it's him.

1418
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 1: He got he got a sweet too. The half of

1419
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:09,639
Speaker 1: that'll be gold. But he might not make it back

1420
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:12,439
Speaker 1: to Columbia. Dahn's here. We're gonna knock a hole in

1421
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:13,160
Speaker 1: that right there.

1422
01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:18,400
Speaker 3: All my life, grinding, all my life, Sacrifice, hustle Pad

1423
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:18,880
Speaker 3: the Price.

1424
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 1: One slice got the brother. All my life.

1425
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:26,240
Speaker 3: I've been grinding all my life, all my life, grinding

1426
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:26,639
Speaker 3: all my.

1427
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:31,439
Speaker 1: Life, Sacrifice, trustle Pad the Price. One slice got the

1428
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 1: brother all my life.

1429
01:16:33,520 --> 01:19:27,440
Speaker 3: I've been grinding all my life