1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: This episode is brought to you by Squarespace, the all 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: in one platform that makes it fast and easy to 3 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: create your own professional website or online portfolio. For a 4 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 1: free trial and temperason off your first purchase, go to 5 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: squarespace dot com slash stuff and use the offer code stuff. 6 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to you, Stuff you should know from house stuff 7 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm 8 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: Josh Clark, and there's Charles w. Chuck Bryant and Jerry 9 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: and this is stuff you should know the podcast. Hm. Hey, 10 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: congratulations to Jerry. Oh yeah, she's got married. Congratulations Jerry, 11 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: way to go. She just gave a thumbs up. She 12 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: has the right. Germain silent. Yeah, So congratulations to Jerry 13 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: and Anna and uh sadly Jerry had to go to 14 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: a different state to get married, but she did it, yes, 15 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: because they have initiative. That's right, don't you, Jerry. Yeah. 16 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: Some of the nice yeah congratulations chairs were very happy 17 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: for you guys. Um so happy in fact that we 18 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: have a podcast. I just realized I said I'm very 19 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 1: happy for you guys, and its sounded not at all 20 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: happy for them. I'm very happy for you. I'm really 21 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: happy for you guys. Yeah, but I think everybody bought that. 22 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: You're happy for him. Everybody knows you, they know me. Well, 23 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: Jerry bought it, and that's what counts. Jerry, did you 24 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: buy it? Think interesting? I like your French chuck thanks 25 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: to something I know how to say. Uh is it? No? 26 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 1: I mean I've got the bonjour down and Frosch fries, 27 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: Frosch bread, France dressing, fross dressing. Uh. So you say 28 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: all those things, French dressing, French bread, French fries, and 29 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: I can tell you that none of them were around 30 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: years ago. Nice segue, my friend. It wasn't. It was 31 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: pretty clumsy. It felt clumsy, but thank you. Yeah. Are 32 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: you talking about the Paleo diet? Yeah, which, by the way, 33 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: short for Paleolithic diet. And um, this thing's been around 34 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: longer than I thought. The book was written by a 35 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: guy named Dr Lauren Cordain, the creator of the Paleo 36 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: Diet back in two thousand two, and um, Dr Cordain 37 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:33,239 Speaker 1: is no slouch. He is a celebrated PhD in Health 38 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: and Health sciences UM, and he started looking at the 39 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: massive chronic health problems that face Westerners and Americans in particular, 40 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: I think we might be the most chronically unhealthy country 41 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:54,119 Speaker 1: in the world. Um, as far as like beats, obesity, 42 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: heart disease, all of these things go uh, and Dr 43 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,799 Speaker 1: Cordin is like, there's out to be a better way. 44 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: And what he focused on was the idea that the 45 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: Western diet is also a very modern diet, full full 46 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 1: of processed foods, foods that are pre prepared, prepackaged, boxed. 47 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: Even a lot of the pictures of the food are 48 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: on the box laden with chemicals, vaive, stuff you're not 49 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 1: gonna do at home, and um, stuff that tastes really good, 50 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,399 Speaker 1: mainly because it's been designed to taste really good. Um. 51 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: The problem is Dr Cordain believes this stuff is really 52 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: bad for us because of those preservatives as chemicals, and 53 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: a lot of the good stuff that was present in 54 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: and at one point has been worked out removed. So 55 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: his idea was, well, let's create a diet that's the 56 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: opposite of modern, that's prehistoric even. And what he came 57 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: up with was the paleo or Paleolithic diet. And the 58 00:03:55,040 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: Paleolithic era um ended at about the advent of agriculture. 59 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: So the premise of the diet is like all of 60 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: this stuff would be the same diet that a hunter 61 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: gatherer would eat. Yeah, And the idea is, and this 62 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: is there's a lot of controversy. Not everyone believes us 63 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: any there's controversy with every diet, with every diet, But 64 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: if you subscribe to this, the idea is that our 65 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: body chemistry and physiology has not changed. Like if you 66 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: look at a if you think of it like a 67 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: hundred yard football field, we went ninety nine yards as 68 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: hunter gatherers, and then the last yard is since agriculture 69 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: has come around, that's the longest yard. So are so 70 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 1: our bodies have not changed genetically and they're the same 71 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: way they were back then. So to eat how they 72 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: were back then and they did for thousands and thousands 73 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: of years, makes more sense with that analogy with what 74 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: happens when we succore a touchdown, like is at the 75 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: end of vanity. I don't know, Um, but the dude 76 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: you mentioned he wasn't the first. That was actually a 77 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 1: guy in the seventies that wrote a book. Um Walter 78 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 1: Voting wrote a self published book in seventy five called 79 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: The Stone Age Diet. Oh, I didn't know that based 80 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: on in depth studies of human ecology and the diet 81 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: of man. But like I said, it was self published 82 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 1: and he didn't like it didn't blow up. It definitely 83 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 1: took till the two thousands to gain traction. Has Cordaine 84 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: like given this guy credit and he said, like he's 85 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: based his ideas on this guy or what. I don't know, 86 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 1: but I think he was the first guy to actually 87 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: coin that term. But um, yeah, these are people who 88 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 1: subscribed to that notion that since we haven't changed physiologically 89 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: and how we're supposed to eat, then we shouldn't be 90 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 1: eating how we're eating, right, we should eat how we 91 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: used to eat. I would suggest that that's not necessarily true. 92 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 1: And part of the problem with saying things like that, 93 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: or saying like, you know this is this is how 94 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: paleolithic body human body um absorbed nutrients or these are 95 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: the nutrients that could absorbed. You're you're making a pretty 96 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 1: broad and unsubstantiated claim in and of itself, like they did. Okay, Well, also, 97 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: you don't have a paleolithic body to dissect to study. Um. 98 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: All you have are modern bodies and assumptions about what 99 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,919 Speaker 1: paleolithic diets were like. Now, I mean, there are still 100 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 1: hunter gatherer tribes currently, but I haven't seen anybody say, well, 101 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: we study these hunter gatherer tribes specifically for a very 102 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:37,679 Speaker 1: long time, and we've concluded that this paleo diet is 103 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:42,919 Speaker 1: is totally supported by this. It's basically people saying, no, 104 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: this is what Paleolithic people would have eaten, so this 105 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: is how how their body would have been. And when 106 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 1: they make a step to that second sentence, you're you're 107 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: making a jump into an unsubstantiated claim. Just keep that 108 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: in mind. That's all. And like you said, every every 109 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: diet on earth is you're gonna find studies that say 110 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: they're great and studies that say they're not so great. 111 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 1: You're going to find people who say the food pyramid 112 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: is what you should look at, and other people to 113 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: say the food pyramids out of whack and we shouldn't 114 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: be eating that many grains. Pyramid is out of whack. Yeah. 115 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: But like you know, there is no definitive right or wrong. 116 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: I think because every time there's a study done, it 117 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: seems like there's another study that can refute it. You 118 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: just hit the nail on the head. There is no 119 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: right or wrong because we don't understand our body, our 120 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: bodies and our bodies metabolic processes enough to say this 121 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: one's right and this one's wrong for everybody. Yeah, you know, 122 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: there's no there's no baseline that's been established. We don't 123 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: know quite enough yet. And so the problem has been 124 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: as we've set ourselves back decade after decade by basically 125 00:07:56,280 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: picking a study whichever one got the media play and 126 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: seemed the most sensible, and going with that, throwing lots 127 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: of money and education, time and effort at bolstering that 128 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: the findings of that study, even though it may or 129 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: may not have been the case, rather than just saying, like, 130 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: we're still figuring it out in the meantime, we think 131 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: maybe don't eat so much of this or whatever. Yeah, 132 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: And I think that that's set us back quite a bit, 133 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: which we'll talk about more later. Yeah. And I think 134 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: just personally, like, if you're if you're doing it healthily, 135 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: then find something that works for you. If that's Sugar Busters, great, 136 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: if that's Atkins, or if that's Weight Watchers or Jenny 137 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: Craig or super Calorie Restriction or whatever. Not everything is 138 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: gonna work for everyone, you know, or or paleo you 139 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: know what are the other names, the warrior diet or 140 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: the caveman diet. They're you know, they're fads, but that 141 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: doesn't mean there can't be something to some of them 142 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: for some people. Well, the other thing I think about 143 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 1: diets that makes each one so controversial two is that 144 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: they do end up ultimately being fats. But every single 145 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: one of the diets aspires to be that one diet 146 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: that works for everybody. They all kind of claim that, 147 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: and that's to sell books, you know, let's get real, 148 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: But there are It's not like these things are are 149 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: necessarily just totally made up out of the whole cloth. 150 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: Like we'll talk about the paleo diet and and and 151 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: the basis of it. Right. So the whole idea is 152 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: is that, like I said, the modern diet has a 153 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 1: lot of foods involved in it that are not good 154 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: for you. And by cutting those things out, that's step one, Yeah, 155 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: basically eating cleaner. Right. But step two isn't just like, okay, 156 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: so anything that you can find growing on a tree 157 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: or you know that that has a face and you 158 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: and you can eat it, um besides humans is healthy 159 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: for you. Um, there's if you take it a little 160 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: bit further, Uh, there's some things that you really shouldn't 161 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 1: eat according to the Paleo diet. One of the things 162 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: that it's centered around are foods that if you have 163 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: to cook them to gain nutrients from them, Like beans 164 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: are a really good example. Uh, you can't eat them. 165 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: You don't want them. In the case of the Paleo diet, 166 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: the reason is they affect gut health supposedly, right, what else, welch, 167 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:27,839 Speaker 1: I mean, should we just go ahead and talk about 168 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 1: what is on the good list and the bad list? 169 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: Just so if you, I mean you've probably heard of 170 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: the diet before, especially lately, but generally very high in protein. Yeah, 171 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: And a lot of people make the mistake of saying like, oh, 172 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: it's just like eating huge steaks all the time, and 173 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: and you know, pulling pulling women by their hair like 174 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 1: it's like that. It's actually now they say proteins like 175 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: fifteen or nineteen of the diet, right, whereas um protein 176 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 1: for the average diet here in the West is about 177 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:04,199 Speaker 1: so more protein. Um. And when we say protein, we 178 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: mean poultry and pork and fish and eggs, and uh, 179 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: you know, even red meat is on there of course. Uh, 180 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 1: then lower carbohydrates, like a lower amount of carbohydrates and 181 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: different kinds of carbohydrates. That's right, Um, The carbs you 182 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:25,959 Speaker 1: want are slow burning carbs. UM. And the idea behind 183 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: this extends beyond just the paleo diet. There's a lot 184 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: of diets, including Atkins, that believe in lowering carbs, and 185 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: they based it on But it's not no carbs. You 186 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: do want some carbs because your body does need some energy. 187 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 1: But you you do want some carbs, but you want 188 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: carbs from things like an apple, or from celery or 189 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: black olives, things that are slow burning carbs that will 190 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: give you energy without raising your blood sugar. Something with 191 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: them low on the glycemic index. Yeah, that's how it's scored. 192 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: So something that has about fifty five or lower on 193 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: the glycemic index is considered low. And that's what you 194 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: want as far as the carbohydrate is concerned, because it 195 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: is going to give you energy without raising your blood sugar. 196 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: When you raise your blood sugar, as I think we've 197 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:18,559 Speaker 1: talked about recently, UM, the insulin comes out to stabilize 198 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: your blood sugar well, insulince and is a signal to 199 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 1: your liver to start producing fat for storage and that's 200 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: why you tend to gain weight when you eat carbohydrates, 201 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: because your blood sugar spikes and your insulin comes out. Yeah. 202 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: And the difference, like, that's the difference between eating a 203 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 1: sweet potato or a regular baked potato. Sweet potato, good, 204 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: baked potato not so good. Yeah, And it's glycemic index 205 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: both carbohydrates though, right. The problem is also is the 206 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: glycemic index is extraordinarily unproven. Still it's a I don't 207 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: know that it's a relatively new thing, but it's been 208 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: used much more frequently recently. But if you start really 209 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: looking into the glycemic index, any uh reasonable source will say, like, 210 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: here's the glycemic index. This is a pretty good understanding 211 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: of it. But the difference between a tart apple in 212 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:14,319 Speaker 1: a very ripe sweet apple. You can't just say apples 213 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 1: have a glycemic index of whatever, like one that's ripened 214 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: more than another that's just the same exact apple from 215 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: the same tree. You're going to have radically different glycemic induseries. 216 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: That's interesting. So I mean, like a solid point too, 217 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:31,199 Speaker 1: because it seems like there are too many definitive statements 218 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: about diet when there shouldn't be. Absolutely the one that 219 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: I think keeps coming up again and again. That's the 220 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 1: most sensible is Well, we'll get too later, but it 221 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: involves it's moderation basically. You know, paying attention to your 222 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: food is very important, but but moderation, you know, like 223 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: eating a bunch of Twinkies over the course of your lifetime, 224 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: it's not gonna kill you. But if you have to 225 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: box of twinkies a day, like that's that's kill you. 226 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: And that's a moderate moderate ration. Is is I think 227 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: the key to health. I agree, man, And that's sort 228 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: of the key to I think most things in life. Yeah, 229 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:10,559 Speaker 1: I mean it pops up everywhere like moderation. Our moderation 230 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: is the spice of life. No, I don't think that's 231 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: the phrase, but uh so. Fiber fiber is a big 232 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: part of the paleo diet. Um fiber is super great 233 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: for your health. And people are getting too much fiber 234 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: from um grains, or at least the thought is that 235 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: you're getting too much fiber from your grains, whereas you 236 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: should get it um and things like fruits maybe or 237 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: whole grains instead of refined grains, non starchy vegetables. Uh yeah. 238 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: And you if you're if you're counting carbs to um 239 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: on like a low carb or no carb restricted diet 240 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: like say Atkins or something. You actually look at the 241 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: total carbohydrates and then some act dietary fiber to come 242 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: up with what's called net carbohydrates, and those are the 243 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: ones that you actually count because apparently fiber is counted 244 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: toward carbohydrates, which is why it shows up in things 245 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: like non starchy vegetables and things like that. But um 246 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: it doesn't raise your blood sugar, which is what we 247 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: come back to again and again and again. Okay, as 248 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: far as weight loss is concerned, right, another part of 249 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: the paleo diet is um fat intake, higher fat intake, 250 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: but the what they call the right kinds of fats 251 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: um oh make it three and o maga six fats mainly, 252 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: so you want to get into that, Yeah, I think 253 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: it's time. So this is a well before we do, man, 254 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: let's pull back from the precipice here and take a 255 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: message breaks so quickly to recap things that you're gonna 256 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: be eating on the paleo diet or lots of protein, 257 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: lots of protein, um to vegetables, slow burning carbohydrates, fruits, nuts, 258 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: things that you might have hunted and gathered, but not today. 259 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: Not beans, not legumes, not modern processed foods. Yeah, not 260 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: salt and refined sugar is a really big no no. Yeah, 261 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: and we got too fat and um, this is extremely controversial. 262 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: I thought this super interesting. The well, the paleo diet, 263 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: like pretty much any any typical diet these days, recommends 264 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: that you really take it easy on the animal fats um. 265 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: And the idea that the reason why pretty much everybody 266 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: recommends you take it easy on animal fats saturated fats, 267 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: which are steeric acid, palmitic acid, and louric acid. Um. 268 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: Those are the three biggest saturated fats found in animal fats. 269 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: The idea that that everybody has for um steering clear 270 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: of them is because they will give you heart disease, 271 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: heart attacks, coronary disease. Yeah, if you eat too many 272 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 1: saturated fats, you're gonna die of a heart attack exactly. 273 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:11,959 Speaker 1: This idea gave rise to a complete change in diet 274 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: among Americans and Westerners in general. The whole concept of 275 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: a low fat diet, which your is everywhere you go 276 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: to any store. It's like fat free, low fat, fat free, 277 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: low fat. Everything is low fat now there's a version 278 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 1: of its low fat came from an initial study from 279 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: the fifties by a guy named Ansel Keys who carried 280 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: out what's called the Six Countries study, and he basically 281 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 1: was the first to link animal fat intake too heart disease. Yeah, 282 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 1: and it's uh, what do they call it? The diet 283 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: heart hypothesis, And um, what stinks about that whole scene 284 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 1: is that he sort of did the elementary school science 285 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: fair project approach, which is he kind of ignored the 286 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: data that didn't support what he wanted and cherry picked 287 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 1: out the data that did and went with it. And 288 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: somehow like even though there was like some opposition to 289 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: it at the time, somehow it became the basis for 290 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: how Americans were told to eat from now on, even 291 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 1: though it was flawed. Uh. I mean, for instance, one 292 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 1: of the countries he studied was the United States. One 293 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: of them was Japan. And he kind of said, hey, 294 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: they have way more heart attacks in the US than 295 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: in Japan. It's because he eat more fat. Yeah, they 296 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: eat more animal fat and they have more heart attacks. 297 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: Eats less animal fat and has fewer heart attacks. If so. Fact, 298 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 1: though eating animal fat leads to heart attacks, and heart disease, right, 299 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: not not considering the amount of sugar Americans aid, or 300 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: bread or nothing, lifestyle or anything. Yes, no, he didn't. 301 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 1: Nothing else was controlled for. So that was part one. 302 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: Part two is, like you said, he cherry picks six 303 00:18:56,560 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: countries that supported his hypothesis. Uh. And at the time 304 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: some other people pointed out, uh, countries. Yeah, we've got 305 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: a data for twenty two countries. And when you take 306 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: all that data and do it a survey across the 307 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: twenty two countries of a correlation between animal fat intake 308 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: and heart disease, it goes away that correlation dissolves, not 309 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:22,959 Speaker 1: only dissolves, but like disproves it in some cases. Uh. 310 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,120 Speaker 1: The death rate from heart disease in Finland, for instance, 311 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:29,199 Speaker 1: was twenty four times that of Mexico, even though in 312 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: Mexico the fat consumption rate was uh twice as much 313 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 1: as Finland. That's right. So that's complete opposite finding. So 314 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: Keys does the six country study in the fifties, and 315 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: then in nine he follows up with the seven country study. Uh. 316 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 1: Well he this to this time he did Japan, Italy, 317 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: the US, Greece, Yugoslavia, Finland, and the Netherlands. And he 318 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 1: found the animal fat was a strong predictor of heart 319 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: attacks over a five year period. Again, Um, they basically said, dude, 320 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: what are you doing, Like you're you're not doing good 321 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: science here. And it's unclear, I should say, it's unclear 322 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 1: whether keys misrepresented his data. Um, he published his findings 323 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: like all that's fine. He wasn't like, I'm just not 324 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: going to publish this. It was more like in his 325 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:19,199 Speaker 1: discussion at the end of the studies, they he was 326 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: saying like, yeah, this kind of came up, but we're 327 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: not paying attention to that. It doesn't matter, So he 328 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily misrepresent the facts. He It seems like he 329 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 1: was more a victim of the media saying, yes, there's 330 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: the answer. We've been wondering why Americans die more heart attacks. 331 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: This guy just figured it out. It's animal fat and 332 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 1: takes saturated fats, and it took off like a rocket 333 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 1: from there. In the seventies. Well, it's sort of I mean, 334 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: it makes sense to the ear. When you hear saturated fats, 335 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: it sounds like, well, that's gotta clog your arteries and 336 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 1: give you a heart attack. Saturated well, you know it's 337 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: saturated with the word saturated means that there's no double 338 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 1: bonds of carbon in these atty change these fatty acid chains. 339 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: So unsaturated means that there's at least one atom of 340 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 1: carbon linked to another atom of carbon in the chain. 341 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 1: In a saturated fat, there's hydrogen carbons linking all of 342 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: the carbon atoms together. That's it. It's saturated with hydrogen carbon. 343 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: It doesn't mean it saturates your arteries right and clogs 344 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: it up, which is what it sounds like exactly. And 345 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 1: so Keys comes up with this, It takes off like 346 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 1: a rocket. It becomes adopted officially by the federal government 347 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 1: to encourage a low fat diet, and study after study 348 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 1: after study just kind of follows and Keys footsteps. The 349 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 1: thing is is if you really kind of look at 350 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: these studies, especially ones that are just pointed to, is 351 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: like these are definitive proof that the that that animal fat, 352 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 1: that saturated fat intake uh produces heart attacks. They kind 353 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: of all fall apart, and you realize that for decades now, 354 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: we've just been taken as gospel a first of all, 355 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 1: an unproven correlation as causation, like completely unproven as far 356 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: as like you know, unarguable evidence goes yeah, And there 357 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: is definitely a dogma that's evolved around this that's been 358 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: tough to crack. But a lot of scientists have been 359 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 1: creating research and publishing research that says, look, man, we 360 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 1: don't understand fat like you think. It's not black and 361 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: white and as simple as that, Like, for example, there's 362 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: l d L fat and there's HDL fat, and people 363 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: typically think that HDL is good fat. L d L 364 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 1: is bad fat. Yes, right, So if you have and 365 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: your body uses cholesterol to do things that produce hormones, 366 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: especially sex hormones, so you need cholesterol, right, But it's 367 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 1: the idea that you're that animal fats raise your l 368 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: d L, which is the bad cholesterol. Uh, that that 369 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 1: gave them this bad rap. But even if you look 370 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 1: at LDL cholesterol, not all the L cholesterol is the same. 371 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:06,360 Speaker 1: There's different things called subfractions, and depending on the subfraction, 372 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:12,400 Speaker 1: these start to correlate to heart disease finally, right, right, 373 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 1: So some are small dns types of l d L 374 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 1: and some are puffy and right exactly, and the pillowy 375 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: ones are fine. They seem to be totally fine. And 376 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 1: what they found also is that the overall ratio of 377 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: pillowy to dnse L d L is what finally you 378 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: can get a good predictor of heart disease risk, not 379 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: just L d L cholesterol, but the ratio. Like you 380 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 1: can't even say, well, this guy's got a ton of 381 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: small dense ld L particles in his bloodstream, so he's 382 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 1: going to die of a heart attack. That's not necessarily 383 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 1: true because you haven't taken into account the fluffiness. And 384 00:23:56,160 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: if you have more fluffiness then dense articles, then it's 385 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: gonna even out. Yeah. Well, I like Ronald Krauss. He's 386 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,880 Speaker 1: a doctor out at UC Berkeley. He seems to kind 387 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: of be hitting it on the head with at least 388 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: how he's characterizing some of this stuff. Uh Like, one 389 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: of his statements that struck me was he said it 390 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: may these findings may simply suggest that unsaturated fats are 391 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: are a healthier option, but not necessarily that saturated fats 392 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: are killing you. And that's just a very like reasonable 393 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,439 Speaker 1: thing to say to me. Yeah, he seemed like a 394 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:36,719 Speaker 1: very reasonable guy when he came in the other day. Well, 395 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 1: in this article, and we should say this is the 396 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: NBC um really exhaustive NBC news article called what if 397 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: bad fat isn't so bad? It's really worth reading? Well, 398 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: it is, and one of the lead how the article 399 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,360 Speaker 1: leads in is super interesting. Um. They have found tribes 400 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 1: in Africa, one called the mess ay Uh nomadic tribe 401 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: in Kenya in Tanzania, and they basically live on a 402 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 1: diet of fat, of of supplemented with blood from cattle, 403 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: they heard, but they basically exist on red meat and 404 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: whole milk. They're die it's like fat, and they're super 405 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 1: lean and they're super healthy. And their cholesterol levels were 406 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: some of the lowest they've ever measured in people. Right. 407 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 1: So people who responded to this these these findings said, well, 408 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: obviously them as I have some sort of genetic predisposition 409 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: to lower cholesterol. Somehow, there's something going on. No, because 410 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 1: they studied a group of these these tribes, people who 411 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: moved to the city and basically adopted a Western diet, 412 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: and all of them just immediately there they went right 413 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: into the normal levels of risk for heart disease. UM. 414 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: So it's clear that it's not just animal fats that 415 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: are associated with heart disease, and they may not really 416 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 1: be associated with heart disease at all, we're kind of 417 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,880 Speaker 1: in the stage now where science is undoing the damage 418 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: while it still hasn't figured out the true answer. They 419 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 1: just know that the that the the hot the the 420 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:10,640 Speaker 1: heart diet hypothesis has is not correct. There was more too. 421 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: Why did Congress in nineteen seventy seven say this is 422 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,120 Speaker 1: the way to go even though the American Medical Association 423 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: said this is not necessarily true? Why did Why is 424 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: the food pyramid endorsed? Does it have something to do 425 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: with people lobbying for grains? Like? Who knows? Um? And 426 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 1: apparently it wasn't just nineteen seventy seven. They very recently 427 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:37,119 Speaker 1: also um the government endorsed and even lower saturated fat diet, 428 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 1: like they dropped the percentage of calories daily from ten 429 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,880 Speaker 1: percent to seven percent, like this year or last year. 430 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: And the big problem with this is that like it's 431 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: not like, oh, all these people missed out on all 432 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,199 Speaker 1: that prime rib. They could have been eating the whole time, right, 433 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 1: That's not the problem with it. The problem is is 434 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,360 Speaker 1: like when we adapt, when we adapted adopted this low 435 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 1: fat diet, fat gives taste to food, Yeah, delicious taste, 436 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 1: it does. So when you remove fat, you you you're 437 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 1: not gonna sell a product that's just fat free or 438 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 1: even low fat unless you add more salt, unless you 439 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: add more sugar. So if you look at the nutrition 440 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 1: info on a low fat product, like yeah, there's lower fat, 441 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: but buddy, you've got a lot more calories than you do. 442 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: And just the regular version of that side by side, 443 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: which if you look at the medical records of every American, 444 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: if you could from the sixties to today, you would 445 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: find that while we reduced our intake of fat by 446 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 1: a third, race of obesity multiplied by almost three times, 447 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 1: and then eleven times where people have diabetes. Yeah, and 448 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: I think it's a it's a truth that they found 449 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: that people eat more of low fat foods because they 450 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: think they can. Yes, like, oh, it's just low fat mayo, 451 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna slather up both sides of my sandwich 452 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: bread because it's low fat. And again this, well that's why, 453 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: Like I'm not a paleo diet guy, but I think 454 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: there's definitely something to eating cleaner. And you know, a 455 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 1: doctor and a nutritionist that knows what they're doing, I'll 456 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: tell you straight up, like don't eat things from a 457 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 1: box in your headed in the right direction. Yeah, it's true. Um, 458 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: and anything that's kind of been taken from its natural state, 459 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 1: even if it's like not in a box. Like for example, 460 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,959 Speaker 1: I did a brain stuff on what's the difference between 461 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,400 Speaker 1: whole milk and skim milk. Well, skim milk is really really, 462 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: really messed around with milk, I processed, you could say, 463 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: whereas whole milk you're like, oh, it's got a ton 464 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: of fat, and I mean like that's cream mixed in there. 465 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: That's it's whole milk for a reason. It's not messed 466 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: around with. I mean, yes, there's the whole thing with antibiotics, 467 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: and you may be lactose and taller, But I'm just 468 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: saying specifically from a nutritional point of view, if you 469 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: have whole milk, you have whole milk. If you have 470 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: skim milk, you have milk that's had the fat removed 471 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: and replaced with some thing like high fruit toast, corn 472 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: syrup or something like that, some powdered milk proteins. It's 473 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 1: it's messed around, it's it's processed. It's not the same thing. 474 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: And the other problem with drinking anything but whole milk 475 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 1: is that when you take the fat the milk fats out, 476 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 1: which by the way, some uh margeric acid has been 477 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 1: shown to actually lower your risk of heart disease. It 478 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: actually increase your HDL good cholesterol. Um. When you take 479 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,719 Speaker 1: the milk fats out, you're also taking out the vitamin 480 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: A and the vitamin D and those are fat soluble, 481 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: which means that fat needs to be present for your 482 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 1: body to absorb them. Yeah, and you can make up 483 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: for that in other areas, but you have to know 484 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: to do that. It's like people who jump on and 485 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: become like vegan or vegetarian, like you have to do 486 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: your homework. If you want to do that, that's great, 487 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: but you need to find a way to give your 488 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: body the things that needs that maybe uh was in 489 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 1: that milk or that red meat. Like with the paleo 490 00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 1: diet that they say stay away from dairy, which I 491 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: disagree with. Yeah, this I found that some paleo will 492 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: drink dairy or ingested dairy. It's sort of a but 493 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: it definitely isn't endorsed. But it's it's interesting that like 494 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: we're the only animal that drinks milk into their life, 495 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: like after after we're you know, weaned off of it. Yeah, 496 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: I thought it's It's definitely an odd thing, and that's 497 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 1: I think that's why the Paleo they say not to 498 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: drink milk because Caveman didn't, you know, go around milk 499 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: and cows no, And I mean we are rear to 500 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 1: drink milk. We remember in the Microbiome episode, we talked 501 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: about how your your mother's like gut bacteria is transferred 502 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: to you so that you can break down breast milk. 503 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: So apparently the newest thing that I saw was that 504 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: lactose intolerance comes from the fact that everybody can digest milk, 505 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: but then only something like a third of humans keep 506 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: maintain that ability to break down milk, and everybody else 507 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 1: loses as they Yeah, it's interesting. I never really thought 508 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 1: about it before. But no one else but us drinks 509 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: milk as adults. You know, even goats they don't drink milk. 510 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: So um, Before we keep going, let's you want to 511 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: do another message break Yeah. Okay, hey, Chuck, I don't 512 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 1: know if you know this or not, but this episode 513 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 1: has brought to you in part by squarespace. That's right, 514 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: it's the all in one platform that makes it fast 515 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: and easy to create your own professional website or online portfolio. 516 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: And we don't have to do that because we have 517 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: our own website. But if I was a single guy, 518 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 1: I would sign up for squar space. Okay, do you 519 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: have intuition? Uh? 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So Chuck, you said, I 538 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: wanted to also say you said that, Um, you know 539 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,720 Speaker 1: some paleo people say, well, you can still eat butter 540 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: or something like that, or drink milk if you go 541 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 1: on the paleo website and read stuff from Cordaine. He 542 00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: is like, there's people out there who are like pay 543 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: leo experts who say you can eat leg ooms or 544 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 1: you can have a little bird something. He's like, they're wrong, 545 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: none of that right. Yeah, he's basically saying, like what 546 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: I wrote is right, and like it's not an evolving 547 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 1: concept that it's like you can't eat lagoons, you can't 548 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 1: eat beans, like, it's not okay. There is something called 549 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: the rule that he built into it, which I think 550 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 1: was smart the time go paleo. Yes, you can have 551 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 1: about three meals a week, um where that are non 552 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 1: paleo and still get the benefits of the paleo diet 553 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: according to the paleo diet. Hm, well it is that 554 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 1: they found. Do they have any like definitive research. There 555 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 1: is no definitive research on any of these, right, like 556 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: that the paleo will cause you to be healthier. Yeah, 557 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 1: I mean no, here's the thing, Like, from this episode, 558 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,479 Speaker 1: I think the one thing everybody should walk away with 559 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: besides an understanding of the basics of the paleo diet. 560 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: So are you saying this is the takeaway? All right? 561 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 1: The takeaway is as follows, Chuck. If you see a 562 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 1: study and uh, an article like, click on the link 563 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 1: and read the abstract and see if the sample size 564 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: is enough to convince you that it's a believable study. Yeah, 565 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 1: we didn't even get into the four studies that a 566 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,240 Speaker 1: lot of the saturated fat argument is based on throughout 567 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 1: the years. But there are four notable ones that are 568 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 1: always pointed to, and every single one of them are 569 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,439 Speaker 1: flawed in some way. Yeah, I mean there's a there's 570 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,800 Speaker 1: a problem with it. And and I say that also because, 571 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 1: like even the article that we have on how stuff 572 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: works sites a two thousand nine study published in Cardiovascular Diabetology, 573 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,360 Speaker 1: which is a journal, and it found that um, people 574 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: with type two diabetes who followed the paleo diet for 575 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,280 Speaker 1: three months benefited more than those who followed a standard 576 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,320 Speaker 1: recommended diet for diabetics. That sounds like a problematic study, 577 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,360 Speaker 1: Well it's it's but if you just read that sentence, 578 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 1: and this is a very typical sentence for any media 579 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 1: ar coal. You're like, oh, well, that proves that the 580 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 1: paleo diet works. At least there's one study out there 581 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,360 Speaker 1: that proved that it works. But if you click the 582 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 1: link and read the abstract, there were thirteen people in 583 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 1: the study, ten men and three women. They were they 584 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 1: carried it out for two consecutive three month periods, and like, sure, okay, 585 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: the findings proved that among these thirteen people, the paleo 586 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 1: diet was better for people with type two diabetes than 587 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 1: a diabetic diet. And but that can you extrapolate that? 588 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 1: And the problem is is like even on our beloved 589 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 1: How Stuff Works website, the way that the media is 590 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 1: set up, it's like here, here's something that proves my point. 591 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 1: Here's something almost yeah, And it's just if you, if you, 592 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: as a consumer or a thinking person, can just go 593 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 1: a step further and just click that link. Like I 594 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 1: almost guarantee you whatever study is being discussed the journalists 595 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 1: is you know, link to it. Click the link and 596 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 1: it'll take you to an abstract and you can read, 597 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:09,240 Speaker 1: you know yourself about this study and make your own decisions. Agreed. 598 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 1: I think like that's my takeaway is to be your 599 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:16,919 Speaker 1: own health advocate. Read read the labels of the things 600 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 1: you're eating and putting into your body, do the research, 601 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 1: read studies, and decide what works for you, uh and 602 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 1: try it out. It's not like the end allbl you 603 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 1: don't have to stick to it for life. No, And 604 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 1: I mean I think most of the most of the 605 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 1: diets that are around these days are for a prescribed 606 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:39,360 Speaker 1: period of time, very difficult. There's like a boot camp 607 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 1: like kind of version at the beginning, and then it 608 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 1: becomes easier and easier and you reach like some sort 609 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:49,919 Speaker 1: of level of general maintenance. But I think from doing 610 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 1: any diet like that for a couple of weeks even, 611 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,440 Speaker 1: one of the great things that you get from it 612 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:59,319 Speaker 1: is that you learn about your food, whether you want 613 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:03,800 Speaker 1: to or not. Because just by preparing your own food, 614 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,600 Speaker 1: planning your own your meals every day, rather than just 615 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 1: like going down to the cafeteria or going to like 616 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,759 Speaker 1: a fast food place and just buying something like, you're 617 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,759 Speaker 1: forced to get to know the food you're eating, Like 618 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 1: you know how many carbs are in salary, you know 619 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,359 Speaker 1: like how much fat is in like this um this, 620 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,120 Speaker 1: you know, five ounce steak, Like you just know these things, 621 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,439 Speaker 1: and that in and of itself is something that makes 622 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,480 Speaker 1: you better off just for having done it. Yeah. I 623 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,799 Speaker 1: think the ill health comes from from not planning and 624 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 1: resorting to what's around you. Because what's around you and 625 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 1: easy is usually not good for you. So you gotta 626 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 1: put a little little effort into it. Um. I did 627 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 1: find this, and I'm gonna I'm pooping it right off 628 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:51,920 Speaker 1: the bat. But US News and World Report did evaluated 629 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:56,439 Speaker 1: and ranked thirty two diets from a panel of experts. UH. 630 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 1: To be top righted, a diet had to be relatively 631 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,360 Speaker 1: easy to follow, nutritious, safe, and effective for weight loss 632 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:06,880 Speaker 1: and against diabetes and heart disease. So according to the experts, UH, 633 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,760 Speaker 1: these are the top ten diets. And by the way, 634 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,880 Speaker 1: the Paleo diet was thirty two out of thirty two. 635 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 1: They had it dead last. The DASH diet is number one, UH. 636 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 1: And we're not going to get into what all these are. 637 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,360 Speaker 1: You can look it up if you're interested, but the 638 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,320 Speaker 1: DASH diet came in at one. The TLC diet is 639 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,239 Speaker 1: number two, and that is not the TLC network. It 640 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:32,840 Speaker 1: stands for something. The Mayo Clinic Diet, the Mediterranean Diet, 641 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,759 Speaker 1: and Weight Watchers all tied at number three, and then 642 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,680 Speaker 1: at number six something called the Flexitarian diet, which had 643 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,400 Speaker 1: never heard of. Also tied at six was Volume Metrics 644 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:47,839 Speaker 1: number it does, uh. Number eight was Jenny Craig. Number 645 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 1: nine was the Biggest Loser diet apparently they have their 646 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:54,800 Speaker 1: own diet, and number ten was the Ornish diet O 647 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,680 Speaker 1: R n I s h and uh man that it's 648 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 1: a big industry. If you want to write diet books, 649 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,360 Speaker 1: try and get people going on good health, write diet books, 650 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 1: start making like convenience food that falls within the diet. 651 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,960 Speaker 1: That that's some money. But uh so what's our advice, 652 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,760 Speaker 1: be your own health advocate, try to avoid package foods 653 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 1: and and uh put some time into it. That's right. 654 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 1: How's that we should write a book? That's good stuff. 655 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 1: If you want to know more about the Paleo diet, 656 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,760 Speaker 1: so you can um look them up online at Paleo 657 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 1: diet dot com. Uh And yeah, just start looking around. 658 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 1: If once you start poking into that kind of stuff 659 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,279 Speaker 1: like it, it's almost like a great entree into the 660 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:41,160 Speaker 1: world of like understanding your own nutrition. It's empowering. Yes, uh. 661 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,080 Speaker 1: And if you want to learn more about the paleo diet, 662 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 1: you can type those words into the search part house 663 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:46,920 Speaker 1: to work dot com. And since I said bad, it's 664 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 1: time for a listener mail. I'm gonna call this defending Skinner. Hey, 665 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 1: guess my name is and I don't know how to 666 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:59,880 Speaker 1: pronounce it's h A I k E. Any idea hike hike? 667 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:05,959 Speaker 1: H what h A I K? Hey? Maybe I'm gonna 668 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,000 Speaker 1: go with Hake. Hi. Guys, my name is Hake and 669 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 1: I'm an Austrian UH psychology student. UM. I just wanted 670 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,319 Speaker 1: to defend poor B. F. Skinner in case no one 671 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,080 Speaker 1: else did it yet. In the Anesia episode, you mentioned 672 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 1: how Skinner's daughter should be honored because she was tortured 673 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,160 Speaker 1: in a box. Well, all Skinner ever put in the 674 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,560 Speaker 1: Skinner box where rats and pigeons. The thing he invented 675 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,719 Speaker 1: for his daughter was called the air crib. It is 676 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,600 Speaker 1: a crib that is higher than the average crib, so 677 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,480 Speaker 1: it's easier to stoop over. Uh. And in it there 678 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,440 Speaker 1: was a controlled climate for the infant. UH. Fresh clean 679 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,560 Speaker 1: air was coming in from the outside, and temperature as 680 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 1: well as humidity could be controlled. It sounds like a box. 681 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,200 Speaker 1: To me, it was just a device designed to make 682 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,520 Speaker 1: the baby's life more comfortable, in the parents life a little, uh, 683 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 1: a little easier. Deborah Skinner is fine and untraumatized, and 684 00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,720 Speaker 1: she herself says that people should stop talking rubbish about 685 00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:06,319 Speaker 1: her dad and her So maybe I can help help 686 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:10,200 Speaker 1: her out with this email she owes you she does. 687 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,640 Speaker 1: Keep up the good work. Guys. Um, my boyfriend is 688 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,640 Speaker 1: also a fan. Oh so he is a is a 689 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,360 Speaker 1: lady not necessarily, Oh yeah, that's true. Look at me. 690 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:23,680 Speaker 1: I'll find out I'm a caveman eating meat and nuts. 691 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,440 Speaker 1: That is very unlike me too. Good boyfriend's gotta be 692 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,520 Speaker 1: a girl, right. Oh and also, I wanted to point 693 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 1: out an error I made and when I was talking 694 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,000 Speaker 1: about how I wanted to punch Jared with the toxic 695 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,040 Speaker 1: bread of subway. Oh yeah, you heard about it for that. Well, 696 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,719 Speaker 1: in my defense all the it turns out that it's 697 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:48,000 Speaker 1: not true. But all that stuff came out after we recorded, 698 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,040 Speaker 1: like that was had just hit the news the day 699 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,440 Speaker 1: we recorded, and then all the other stuff saying no, 700 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,120 Speaker 1: this is one lady who had a bund to pick 701 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,680 Speaker 1: and she was wrong. That came out afterwards so, uh, 702 00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,719 Speaker 1: Subway does not do that, and I still want to 703 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,400 Speaker 1: punch Jared. Okay, I hope Jared doesn't listen to this. 704 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,400 Speaker 1: I feel so bad if he came up with me 705 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:07,680 Speaker 1: one day he was like, Man, I really I'm a 706 00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:12,960 Speaker 1: big fan. Video con hug him. Uh. I will look 707 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,520 Speaker 1: forward to that. I'll get a video of that and 708 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,120 Speaker 1: post it. Uh if you want to get in touch 709 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,640 Speaker 1: with me and Chuck and point out how we were 710 00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,960 Speaker 1: wrong or how we can better ourselves and that kind 711 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,880 Speaker 1: of thing. Oh and thank you. By the way, what 712 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,920 Speaker 1: did we end up on, Hike or Hake? I went 713 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,919 Speaker 1: with Hake. We'll go with Hack. Thanks hack Um. If 714 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,759 Speaker 1: you want to be like Hake and correct us, you 715 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,240 Speaker 1: can send us a tweet to s y s K podcast. 716 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:39,600 Speaker 1: You can join us on Facebook dot com, slash Stuff 717 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,320 Speaker 1: you Should Know. 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