WEBVTT - Dream 18: Bandon Dunes 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:03.400 Welcome back to another edition of the Frida Egg Podcast. 0:00:03.480 --> 0:00:08.560 Today's episode is brought to you by Zero Restriction. We 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:12.000 are out at Bandon. We're in Bandon right now. We 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:16.320 won't be there when you're listening to this, but thanks 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:20.040 to Zero Restriction, they came in. They sponsored the week 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:23.919 us out here and we were kitted out in all 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:27.400 Zero Restriction gears. So we got to test drive a 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:30.880 lot of the new I guess models. 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:33.959 I would call them pieces for. 0:00:34.000 --> 0:00:37.840 The upcoming season. So a lot of good outerwear, lots 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:43.960 of good layers. 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We're in Bandon. We're 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:59.000 in our little humble abode here at Bandon Dunes. It's 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:03.760 not ours, it's the but after a long week, an 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:07.720 exhausting week, six days of golf, six days of shooting 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:11.360 footage and lots of talk about the golf courses, we 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:14.280 played all the golf courses. We didn't play trails or 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:19.000 play preserve. My bad on that we did not play preserve. 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:20.200 We played trails twice. 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:25.280 We did play trails twice and yeah, so we thought 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:29.600 it would be a fun little exercise. We'll do debriefs 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:33.440 on every golf course. But we came up with our 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:39.519 so called dream eighteen from the properties and we figured 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:42.520 this would be a really neat way to go through 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:46.520 each course. In general, at a high level is going 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:48.440 through some of the best holes. So we're going to 0:02:48.520 --> 0:02:51.720 do an honorable mention and a winner for the Dream eighteen. 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:55.200 We might be a little light on par threes, it 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:58.240 sounds like, which is crazy given how many good par 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:01.960 threes there are here. We're gonna have a go at it, 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:06.120 you guys, just kick things off. Any general impressions from 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:08.320 the week here at Bandon, I. 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:11.480 Think we should level set on the conditions we were playing. 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:14.960 It is November, so the golf courses were a little 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:19.560 softer than they could be, just as a note to 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:22.760 keep that in mind during this ranking. But I think 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:25.800 as we were going through this, we kept in mind 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:28.600 how they would play in different conditions too. 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:36.800 That was Will, by the way, and I will so yes, 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:39.480 I mean we and we played in very different conditions 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:43.080 on this trip. The first day we played was at 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:46.920 Trails and it was essentially a monsoon. 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:52.240 It was like the worst conditions I've ever played golfing. 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:54.520 Yeah, these guys were all saying it was the worst conditions. 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:58.520 The caddies were a little bit knocked off kilter as well, 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:01.160 even though both of them have been here for two 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:02.200 decades each. 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:06.000 And you know, big ups to Brooks and Casey are 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:07.680 caddies awesome guys. 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:10.560 Absolutely fantastic yeaddies, amazing. 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:13.080 Both been here for like about twenty years each. 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:15.960 Yeah, just the best guys. So we had a great 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:18.480 time with them, and they stuck with us through the 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:21.920 really difficult conditions at trails on the first day, and 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:24.839 then we just played it today our last day abandon 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:29.000 in beautiful weather. So we got a true sample of 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:32.040 what this area can throw at you, which is some 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:34.479 really unpredictable, contrasting weather. 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:37.880 All right, so let's kick this off. 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:42.120 Yeah, Dream eighteen. Whole one should we start with? Will 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:45.000 Number one is Sheep Ranch. 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:47.479 Yeah, this is a christ for me. 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:51.520 I think that's it's an incredible hole, sweeping kind of 0:04:51.560 --> 0:04:55.160 dog leg left down the hill, and I mean it 0:04:55.240 --> 0:04:56.839 just hits you right in the face with what you 0:04:56.880 --> 0:05:00.160 see all day long. And Sheep Ranch the ocean, and 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:02.919 I think, like beyond just the ocean, it's a really 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:04.479 fun opening hole. 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:08.800 There's a great reveal. I mean you do see the 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:13.119 ocean and most of the property when you walk into 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:16.160 the Sheep Ranch Clubhouse, like there's a big view of 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:17.680 the whole course. 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:18.680 But when you. 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:21.159 Start one, it's a little bit blind, it's a little 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:24.680 bit concealed, and you walk over the crest in the 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:28.000 fair way around I don't know what two hundred and 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:31.000 fifty yards or so, and you see it all spread 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:33.919 before you, and it's just a great dramatic way to 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:36.600 open the round. And it's it's an easy hole, right, 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:37.720 it's a gentle handshake. 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:40.280 Things I like about it, like if you go up 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:42.560 the left side, you get a big kick, but you've 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:45.200 got some danger with the trees there. You could easily 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:47.520 hit a ball into them. But if you hit it 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:50.320 up that left side, you get really rewarded because your 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:52.640 ball is going to go further. And then you get 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:55.520 the helping contours at the green, like the green slopes 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:58.360 from right to left, and it just is a much 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:00.479 easier shot than if you're over on the right side. 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:03.200 And it does still have some internal contour too, so 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:05.839 it's not like it's a gimme birdie. But yeah, it's 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:09.440 something that if you hit two good shots, you're setting 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:12.800 yourself up for the start year round in a good way. 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:17.000 What's the honorable mention? Second best first hole? I've got 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:18.279 Packed Dunes as mine. 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:21.320 Yeah, Pacific Dunes is a good choice for that. I 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:24.240 think that Old Mac is a good choice as well. 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:26.919 The double Plateau hole, Yeah, just such a cold green 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:30.120 I mean, you know, the drive is you can hit 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:33.000 it pretty much anywhere, but you want to be really 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:35.520 in the right position to hit an approach into the green, 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:39.000 especially if the pin is up on one of those plateaus, 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:41.400 either front left or back right. 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:44.080 It sounded like from our caddies that the back right 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:46.720 plateau isn't used all that much, which is unfortunate because 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:49.000 it is, it's pretty small. It would make for a 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:50.920 very interesting opening wedshot. 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:54.320 I think maybe the best ground for a first hole 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:58.279 is Packed Dunes because it's in the really like, kind 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:01.960 of choppy part of the golf course. That's where the 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:04.760 clubhouse kind of sits back on the dune ridge, and 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:07.880 that dune ridge has really good land right inside of it. 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:12.840 Will you're the deciding vote, which one you got Old Mac. 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:13.360 Or Packed in? 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:16.000 It has to be one honorable mention. Yeah, it has 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:19.640 to be one cool honorable mention. I also had Pacific 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:20.320 on my list. 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:23.320 Wow, oh man, Garrett loses out. 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:26.440 It's all right, I love I love one at Packed Dunes. Yeah, 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:28.840 I'm not gonna I'm not gonna argue that one too much, 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:29.520 all right. 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:30.160 Second hole? 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:35.240 Yeah, are you going to go first? On the Andes? 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:37.720 Andy is it is it Will and I. We've got 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:39.840 Will and I have our computers in front of us. Andy. 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:41.080 Andy's winging it. 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:44.000 Andy's the judge, jury, and executioner over there. 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:47.520 Yeah, I guess so well. For for the second hole 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:52.000 of the Dream eighteen, I have Pacific Dunes, just a 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:58.600 fantastic part four center line bunker separates the high right 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:00.800 side of the fairway from the low left side of 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:04.200 the fairway, and depending on the pin position, you'll want 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:08.280 to be on either level. In addition to that, from 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:10.760 the tee you can see some of the rest of 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:14.200 the course behind the green. There's a nice little reveal 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:16.120 that happens when you walk up from the first green 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:18.920 to the second tee, and I just think that's that's 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:21.400 a cool hole and a fantastic green that you really 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:24.600 only you only see the full proportions of the green 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:26.040 once you get behind it. 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:29.720 Yeah, I think I also had Pacific. I think we're 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:32.280 all in agreement there. But what I love about the 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:34.480 opening two holes there is that they're both. 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:35.280 Short par fours. 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:38.959 In general, when with a southern wind you have driver 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:41.880 wedge pretty much, but within winds coming out of the north, 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:44.559 those short holes play a lot longer and those interesting 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:47.360 greens become even more difficult to traverse. 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:51.360 Yeah, yeah, that's a great hole, I think. You know, 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:54.560 I really like sheep Ranch's second hole. I think that's 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:57.680 like really clever, but I don't think it's at the 0:08:57.679 --> 0:09:00.760 same level. It just doesn't have the topographical interests of 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:02.679 the second hole at Pacific. 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:05.520 You know, I think. 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:08.800 Trail's second hole of the part three downhill is really 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:11.240 really a neat hole as well. 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:16.360 And then Old Mac the eden is I. 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:20.439 Think that's probably my honorable mention is the second Atuld Mac. 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:22.760 It's that that is, you know. 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:27.400 I think most American eden holes are are a huge 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:31.880 disappointment on Rainer MacDonald courses. I think they're oftentimes the 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:35.400 weakest holes at these really great golf courses. And at 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:38.319 Old Mac, I think that second hole is one of 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:42.000 the strongest holes because of the green. It's no nothing land, 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:45.280 but that green is is really wild and fun. 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:49.200 So I think that's my honorable mention mine as well. 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:52.280 Yep, I had that one too. Sounds like we're in agreement. 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:53.920 It was easy third hole. 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:58.839 Moving on, there's a lot of good third holes out there. 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:00.840 Yeah, I think three and four or we might even 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:03.520 differ in opinion here. I'll start it off with My 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:07.880 third is definitely Old Mac. That par four up over 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:09.679 the dune is just incredible. 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:15.040 That's yeah, it's a neat hole, I think, one that 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:18.680 you have to consider as well as the third at Trails. Yeah, 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:22.480 it's part of it is like just the wow of 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:25.360 the t shot when you're walking off of the second 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:29.040 hole at at at Trails it is it's just an 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:33.120 amazing reveal. And then just the green I really loved 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:36.680 the green back there in the in the woods, like 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:39.840 kind of back in the trees, and it's got that 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:42.480 back and right side that run off. I think like 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:44.840 it's in the shade so much that you sometimes like 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:47.679 miss it and you're so wowed by like just the 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:50.280 surroundings of that meadow that you don't really pay that 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:52.559 much attention to it. But it's a really clever green 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:55.480 back there, So I like that whole. I mean three 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:59.600 at Pacific Tunes is an amazing hole too, That's one. 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:01.360 Of the another part five. I mean there's a lot 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:04.440 of parallels between three at Pacific Dunes and three at Trails. 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:07.120 There are similar part fives in the sense that the 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:10.840 big wide fairways and some center line bunkers that that 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:12.480 ask you some questions along the way. 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:16.520 So what are you what's your your number one? 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:21.040 I'm totally vacillating between three at Trails and three at 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:23.760 Old Mac. I mean, just to describe what three at 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:28.600 Old McDonald is. You tee off from the inland side 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:32.760 of this huge dune ridge and you're literally just hitting 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:35.560 right over the dune ridge just to the right of 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:39.760 the huge ghost or left or left like if if 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:43.000 the t position uh demands that. Yeah, so that is 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:43.960 a possibility. 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:45.880 It's a center line tree dead tree. 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:52.520 Yeah. Yeah, it's great and and some people would be 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:56.160 would be fans of that, I guess I don't think. No, 0:11:56.240 --> 0:12:00.600 I know JT hates the ghost tree, but uh, but 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:03.320 it's just really fun walking up it and then and 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:06.319 then seeing the rest of the course unfold in front 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:09.480 of you and then finding your ball on the other side. 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:11.720 It's pretty forgiving, like there's not too much trouble on 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:14.400 the other side except for a bunker always out on 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:18.480 the right. And so like, I like, I like that 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:22.520 hole because how dramatic it is. It's got a great 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:29.040 green But three at Trails is really a fun strategic 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:32.040 hole that you could play a bunch of different ways. 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:34.360 You know, you could zig zag your way down that 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:38.320 fair way in any number of ways. And I think 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:41.360 I just have I have to give it to Trails. 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:44.640 Wow, I'm the ext I'm the I'm the vote, you're 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:48.440 the deciderbreaker, the decider. Well, we already have a par 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:52.000 five and uh, I like other par fives and and 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:53.880 you know I'm as. 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:57.120 A I'm gonna go with three at uh at Old. 0:12:56.920 --> 0:12:58.760 Mac overrolled again. 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:01.760 But my honorable mention is Trails. 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:03.440 But one of them is the honorable mention. 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:04.680 Yeah, exactly. 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:06.880 I think that three at Old Mac three and Old 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:09.280 Mac reminds me a little bit of two at National 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:12.240 Golf Links of America. Like it's got a similar thing 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:15.120 where you have to hit it uncomfortably left, like you're 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:17.520 just like you want to hang it right, but then 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:20.079 you run out of space and you tumble down into 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:23.440 like kind of a bad spot. And they're both like 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:25.520 you can get it up by the green if you're. 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:26.079 In the right wind. 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:28.640 With with Old Mac, you can get it, you know, 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:31.400 on the green at National Nationally you have to push 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:33.360 it up by the windmill. Here you have to push 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:35.520 it up by the ghost tree. It's a really and 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:40.680 it's got that same massive landforms. All right, So fourth hole, 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:43.439 I think most people will be expecting one. 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:45.439 And I think it's going to go a different direction. 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:49.160 If I had most people, most people would say Bandon 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:49.880 Dune's four. 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:51.440 Yeah. I just don't think. 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:53.360 Why not. 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:56.400 I just you know, you hit it into this one 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:59.240 spot and there's like this little neck that you hit 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:04.559 it into, and the Yeah, I care about all these 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:07.600 things that nobody else cares about. But the containment mounts 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:10.840 on the left just make me want to vomit. And 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:13.240 then the green site's really cool, but I just can't 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:16.080 get over how how bad some of the shaping is 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:17.679 around the around the hole. 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:20.200 The green green itself is it's cool. 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:22.080 Fun, Yeah, it's a fun. 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:23.680 Yeah. Yeah. 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:26.760 I just don't think in comparison to the other fourth holes. 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:29.640 I think, like for me, it comes down to abandoned 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:35.080 trails and old mac and and I guess Pacific Dunes. 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:39.200 You can't not have Pacific Dunes on that list. I mean, 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:41.800 that's that's the hard thing. Like I think the ocean 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:46.240 is is really alluring and you want but the one 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:48.680 of the things with Bandon Dunes, just in general, in 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:51.560 the for the most part with it. There's some exceptions, 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:53.960 but a lot of the whole, a lot of the 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:56.920 land on the oceans the least interesting. And it just 0:14:57.040 --> 0:15:00.760 is the ocean creates this huge hazard that you have 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:03.840 to avoid, which makes it really easy for strategy. And 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:07.480 that's the fourth that at Pacific Dunes is a perfect 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:10.520 example of that. Like if you play close to the water, 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:12.360 you get a huge reward. 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:14.440 If if you. 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:18.520 Find yourself close to the water, you know, don't try 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:20.400 and hit it up the right edge. 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:24.120 You're saying that people shouldn't hit it at the ocean. 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:26.440 Yeah, Like I just try and hit a cut off 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:29.200 the bunkers, Like that's what I do. 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:33.680 But the the strategy is a sensitive topic. 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:34.360 These days, exactly. 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:36.160 But there are a lot of people who get very 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:40.240 upset about proclamations about strategy exactly. 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:42.160 But if you're if you find yourself on the right 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:45.120 side there like the green, everything helps you. And then 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:47.680 if you the more and more left you go, everything 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:50.640 works away where it like will you you could barely 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:53.480 hold the green or you didn't hold the green shot 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:54.520 off the side. 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:58.120 Because perfectly struck long iron hit the front left corner 0:15:58.160 --> 0:15:59.400 and shot all the way off the back. 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:03.160 So that's like a perfect strategy hole, like, but it 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:06.520 is a connector and there's not that much interesting stuff 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:10.840 to topographically in the fairway. It's like very very flat, 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:13.920 you know, and you play over a dune into the green. 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:16.440 The green site's really good. But then you've got four 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:20.720 at Bandon Trails and four at Old Mac that both 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:27.040 have these like kind of jarring and breath taking hogs 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:32.960 back fairways that cut most importantly diagonally across the fairway, 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:36.560 which makes you know, playing over these huge and by 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:39.160 what I mean by a hog's back fairway, it's a 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:42.720 huge rise and it's like a hump, like a back 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:45.800 of a hog as as you would it's a hump 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:47.440 that cuts through the fairway. 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:49.200 And these i'd say that. 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:54.280 Are like thirty feet tall roughly, yeah, and these divide 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:57.640 the fairway and they create like all this interest off 0:16:57.640 --> 0:17:01.320 the tee where it's blind where you're hitting too and 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:03.600 you're having to pick a spot and you're having to 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:04.479 really commit to it. 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:06.280 And they both cut from left to right. 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:07.080 Now. 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:10.000 The fourth at Old Mac is a long part four 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:13.440 and the fourth Bandit Trails is a shorter part four. 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:17.320 Both of them like the hogs back is perfectly placed, 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:19.240 like where you have to hit a really good t 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:22.520 shot to get over the right side, which is ideal 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:26.840 in both cases. For the most part, I think I 0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:31.560 would lean towards the fourth at Old Mac. 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:34.320 I'd agree with that. I'm going to go with the 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:37.119 fourth at Old Mac, but going back for a second 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:42.960 to the fourth hole at Pacific Dunes. The main thing 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:46.399 I think working against that hole in this exercise and 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:49.800 the Dream eteen exercise is the existence of the thirteenth 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:53.200 hole at Pacific Dunes. You know, you compare those two 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:56.760 holes and it's just sort of no contest. I mean, 0:17:56.800 --> 0:18:00.560 both of them occupy cliff side pieces of land, but 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:03.399 thirteen has a bit more going for it. 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:05.960 I'm changing my vote to trails. 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:12.080 You just got influenced by Cameron, by the silent presence 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:16.000 in this room. I saw Cameron give you the stare 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:21.560 and wow, Wow, he's not going to be on the podcast, but. 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:24.720 We talked about We've talked. I was Trails all the 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:27.840 way till the moment. Yeah, I'm back on Trails. I'm 0:18:27.880 --> 0:18:30.200 not laying the spur of the moment decision. 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:32.040 Okay, will what have you got? 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:35.960 I also had Old Mac However, I think the after 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:39.560 playing Trails again the second time today, Hey, no, and 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:40.920 so the first time. 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:43.240 And does Cameron have something on you guys? 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:44.040 No? 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:47.639 No, I love the fourth at Old Mac, but today 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:51.280 I had a really squirrely drive on for Trails and I. 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:52.520 Didn't get over that ridge. 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:55.520 And seeing the difference on how it played on the 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:57.680 left and how it played on the right, it really 0:18:57.720 --> 0:19:01.040 got to me and how cool and the emphasis on 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:01.520 that drive. 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:05.320 One of the things I think that is an advantage 0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:09.040 for Trails is that you know, just like in terms 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:14.040 of if you get over, you're you're over, and you 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:15.720 have a scoring opportunity. 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:17.600 At Old Mac you. 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:20.720 Get over or you're on the right, it's still like 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:22.080 so frickin' hard. 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:24.520 Yeah, it's still a hard shot from the top of 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:27.320 the hogs back, is what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, And 0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:29.959 and I like that. I think that's all right for me. 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:33.399 The fourth at Trails is really dependent on the wind. 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:37.399 I don't think it's that great of a hole into 0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:39.840 the wind, or I don't think it's as great of 0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:42.320 a hole as it was for us on this trip 0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:44.879 was did we We played it way up into the 0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:46.480 wind though, So you. 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:48.960 Have to adjust the t position wouldn't matter. 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:53.240 So I think that the fourth hole at Trails, that 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:56.760 the strategic question that it asks is very dependent on 0:19:57.280 --> 0:20:00.000 your ability to hit it far enough to get over 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:02.400 the ridge. Because I've played that in a wind where 0:20:03.280 --> 0:20:05.760 there was really no chance, I don't think so. I think, 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:08.159 Old Mac, you can get on top of that hogs 0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:12.000 back with accuracy. That's really what it's about. It's not 0:20:12.080 --> 0:20:16.040 about hitting it super far. It's about, you know, hitting 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:18.800 your drive accurately and staying on top of the hogs back. 0:20:19.000 --> 0:20:21.359 The interesting part about Ford, Old Mac is when you 0:20:21.440 --> 0:20:24.080 get up there after hitting your T shirt, you realize 0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:27.120 how much room is left. And so after I think 0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:30.000 I played before Garrett and I hit mine, and what 0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:33.000 I thought was the perfect spot, I was fifteen yards 0:20:33.040 --> 0:20:35.879 to the left of the hogs back, and our Caddie 0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:37.880 Brooks says to Gary, He's like, all right, I want 0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:40.960 you twenty yards left of that point. And when you 0:20:41.000 --> 0:20:43.240 get up there and you realize I mean you, I mean, 0:20:43.280 --> 0:20:45.520 you hit an awesome drive up there too. But there 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:49.240 is a good amount of visual intimidation and deception going 0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:51.840 on there where you think there's not much room up there. 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:56.800 Absolutely, yeah, the The enormity of Old Mac is on 0:20:56.920 --> 0:21:00.480 full display on the fourth hole. Like that, that is 0:21:00.640 --> 0:21:02.919 just a huge golf course. 0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:05.960 Yeah, we might have talked ourselves into Old Mac here. 0:21:05.880 --> 0:21:08.240 And at the same time like that. That second shot 0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:10.920 I think is pretty fun. You can you can run 0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:15.600 it up to that green with your second shot. Uh 0:21:15.720 --> 0:21:16.760 through the left side. 0:21:17.119 --> 0:21:19.000 All right, well, we'll let you have it. 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:22.800 Well, don't do it out of pity. I'm fine with 0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:23.399 being over. 0:21:25.040 --> 0:21:28.000 Year old Mac. It helps balance it. We've got some 0:21:28.040 --> 0:21:28.960 short par fours. 0:21:29.080 --> 0:21:33.640 What do you think, Cameron, it's a tie. He says, 0:21:33.640 --> 0:21:36.440 how diplomatic to the people. I think. I think it's 0:21:36.440 --> 0:21:39.160 pretty clear that Cameron likes four trails, which is, by 0:21:39.200 --> 0:21:42.000 the way, I'm not arguing that that's not an awesome hole. 0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:42.280 It is. 0:21:42.840 --> 0:21:44.720 No. I like the balance it gives us. It gives 0:21:44.760 --> 0:21:46.359 us a long part four. We've got a couple of 0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:50.040 short part fours. It's a good, good added balance in there. 0:21:50.320 --> 0:21:53.880 All right on to five. Some good options for five 0:21:54.520 --> 0:21:55.080 mm hmm. 0:21:55.160 --> 0:21:56.360 Really good options for five. 0:21:56.800 --> 0:22:01.560 Yep. We've got the Old Mac shorthole, which has one 0:22:01.600 --> 0:22:05.960 of the most amazing greens that they'll ever see. You 0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:09.840 have the fifth at Trails, which has one of the 0:22:09.840 --> 0:22:12.880 most amazing greens you'll ever see. Both of those are 0:22:13.000 --> 0:22:17.080 par threes, short par threes, fairly short part threes that 0:22:18.040 --> 0:22:22.400 you know, big greens with just lots of different sections 0:22:22.400 --> 0:22:24.920 to them, lots of different places to put the pin. 0:22:25.840 --> 0:22:29.000 I think those are extremely different on different days because 0:22:29.000 --> 0:22:33.119 of the pin position. For me, though, the fifth at 0:22:33.440 --> 0:22:39.479 Bandon Dunes is an iconic ocean cliff side hole where 0:22:39.760 --> 0:22:42.800 the cliff side really isn't even the most important part 0:22:42.800 --> 0:22:46.080 of the whole. It's just about the kind of gradual 0:22:46.359 --> 0:22:50.000 narrowing of the fair away from a fairly wide landing 0:22:50.119 --> 0:22:53.439 zone on the drive, and it just gradually kind of 0:22:53.520 --> 0:22:55.679 chokes and chokes and chokes until you get to a 0:22:55.680 --> 0:23:01.040 pretty narrow green site with hazards all around. The dunes 0:23:01.040 --> 0:23:03.560 are great there. You know that that shaping that you 0:23:03.600 --> 0:23:06.320 talked about on the fourth hole, the containment mounting along 0:23:06.320 --> 0:23:09.560 the left side, Suddenly that's absent here. You're in a 0:23:09.640 --> 0:23:13.520 much more natural looking environment. I'd have a hard time 0:23:13.600 --> 0:23:14.720 not giving it to that one. 0:23:14.960 --> 0:23:19.440 Uh complete agreement Bandon. I mean we played it dead 0:23:19.520 --> 0:23:22.879 downwind on a really windy day, and that choke point 0:23:22.920 --> 0:23:25.440 at the end of the fairway was very much in play. 0:23:25.560 --> 0:23:27.879 I mean we all tried to lay back and me 0:23:27.920 --> 0:23:30.960 and Andy still got really close to that choke point. 0:23:30.760 --> 0:23:33.960 On I mean, no, I had mine way right. Oh, 0:23:34.000 --> 0:23:36.840 that's the fans going. 0:23:38.119 --> 0:23:40.480 But I mean I think into the wind that hole 0:23:40.800 --> 0:23:43.480 the the center line. I don't know if they're full 0:23:43.520 --> 0:23:49.200 bunkers or they're just tall grasses, but so intimidating gas. Yeah, 0:23:49.280 --> 0:23:51.800 and they mean they make you feel like you really 0:23:51.840 --> 0:23:53.400 need to hit it solid off that tea. 0:23:53.800 --> 0:23:57.000 Yeah, it really entices you to play left too, Like 0:23:57.080 --> 0:23:59.960 I found myself on that tee just wanting to bust 0:24:00.080 --> 0:24:03.000 it up the left side because it just like your 0:24:03.040 --> 0:24:06.440 eye draws there because of those little kind of I 0:24:06.480 --> 0:24:11.000 don't know exactly, like kind of clumpy mounds of native grass. 0:24:11.200 --> 0:24:13.920 Yeah, they're almost like mini dunes or something in the 0:24:13.960 --> 0:24:16.479 middle of the fairway. And what what they do is 0:24:16.520 --> 0:24:21.040 that they they divide the hole into the left and 0:24:21.160 --> 0:24:26.760 right sides, and the left side is guarded by the ocean. Right, 0:24:27.040 --> 0:24:29.280 So you have you have those little dunesy things in 0:24:29.280 --> 0:24:32.359 the middle of the fairway, and you have that left route, 0:24:32.640 --> 0:24:35.320 then you have the right route. Obviously, it's it's much 0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:38.400 safer to bust it up the right. It's it's wider 0:24:38.520 --> 0:24:41.200 out there, there's plenty of room. But once you get 0:24:41.240 --> 0:24:43.959 out there, you look at that approach where it kind 0:24:44.000 --> 0:24:47.479 of narrows down into this into this you know, choked 0:24:47.480 --> 0:24:50.720 down green site, and you're thinking, I might need to 0:24:50.800 --> 0:24:53.040 lay back here, that this might not be worth it 0:24:53.080 --> 0:24:54.800 to push it all the way up to the hole. 0:24:55.280 --> 0:24:58.120 Yeah, and hitting a long iron into that green, if 0:24:58.160 --> 0:25:01.640 it's into the wind, would just be absolutely terrifying. 0:25:01.920 --> 0:25:04.160 Usually, yeah, usually this hole is playing into the wind. 0:25:04.200 --> 0:25:06.320 We didn't play it into the wind this week. I 0:25:06.359 --> 0:25:08.920 think you have different feelings about it when it's into 0:25:08.920 --> 0:25:10.280 the wind, very very hard. 0:25:11.800 --> 0:25:12.960 What's the honorable mention? 0:25:13.400 --> 0:25:13.720 Somehow? 0:25:13.720 --> 0:25:16.280 I don't think we've mentioned it, at least for me. 0:25:16.480 --> 0:25:19.000 I think there are so many. We talked about the 0:25:19.000 --> 0:25:21.480 Old Mac part three and Trails part three, But the 0:25:21.520 --> 0:25:26.680 Pacific fifth Hole is really good, Yeah, uphill, really good 0:25:26.680 --> 0:25:27.600 part of green. 0:25:28.000 --> 0:25:30.520 Yeah? Yeah? Is that is that your honor? 0:25:30.680 --> 0:25:31.920 That's my pick for an honorable mention? 0:25:31.960 --> 0:25:34.000 I don't know about you guys, all right, what about you? Andy? 0:25:34.840 --> 0:25:39.359 I'm gonna go with Bandon Trail's fifth I really like 0:25:39.480 --> 0:25:43.119 that whole. I love just the whole, that whole gathering 0:25:43.160 --> 0:25:47.040 point there. I love the the greens, kind of like 0:25:47.080 --> 0:25:51.560 a modified Burrits in a way. It's super fun. The 0:25:51.600 --> 0:25:55.240 backpins are tough, though the front pins are more gettable. 0:25:55.760 --> 0:25:58.399 And one of the things, I just love the feel 0:25:58.440 --> 0:26:02.560 of the whole place right there. It's just really delightful. 0:26:03.320 --> 0:26:05.959 I could just sit there all day, I think, in 0:26:06.000 --> 0:26:06.880 that meadow. 0:26:07.320 --> 0:26:10.040 Yeah, I think i'd go. I'd go fifth at Trails too. 0:26:11.760 --> 0:26:13.760 Maybe doesn't have anything to do with the hole itself. 0:26:14.000 --> 0:26:16.159 I think as a golf hole. I might be a 0:26:16.200 --> 0:26:19.200 little more interested in the short hole at Old Mac, 0:26:19.320 --> 0:26:22.600 but it's just hard to deny the beauty of that 0:26:22.680 --> 0:26:25.600 place and how fun it is to be in it. Yeah, 0:26:25.680 --> 0:26:29.399 all right, six six, I would go with Pacific Dunes. 0:26:29.920 --> 0:26:34.320 I think that's a perfectly representative short par four at 0:26:34.320 --> 0:26:37.640 Pacific Dunes. I already chose two at Pacific Dunes, though, 0:26:37.680 --> 0:26:40.600 so I might be persuaded to go another direction with this. 0:26:41.119 --> 0:26:43.800 Also have the long hole at Old Mac, I think 0:26:44.040 --> 0:26:47.800 in contention, because the green is so great, And then 0:26:47.920 --> 0:26:51.280 six at Trails is a really cool part. Four back 0:26:51.320 --> 0:26:54.040 into the woods a little bit, or getting into the woods. 0:26:54.560 --> 0:26:56.440 So I'm not sure what do you guys think. 0:26:56.880 --> 0:26:58.560 I think this is another one that has a lot 0:26:58.600 --> 0:27:01.200 of strong options. I mean, six at Cheap Ranch has 0:27:01.240 --> 0:27:03.320 that drive up over the cliff too, if you're playing 0:27:03.400 --> 0:27:04.440 the right tea and. 0:27:04.400 --> 0:27:06.480 Six Abandoned Dunes is Andy's favorite hole. 0:27:07.160 --> 0:27:11.000 Oh, come on, why you got why you have to 0:27:11.040 --> 0:27:11.639 bring that in? 0:27:12.880 --> 0:27:16.800 Okay, I'm sorry. Six Abandoned Dunes is not in contention 0:27:16.920 --> 0:27:17.800 for this, I don't think. 0:27:18.160 --> 0:27:20.480 Yeah, no, I think I think six a Pacific. 0:27:20.440 --> 0:27:23.240 For anybody this wonder I did make berdie there? You know, 0:27:23.720 --> 0:27:25.720 it's not that has nothing to do with how I 0:27:25.760 --> 0:27:30.720 played the hole. It's just a bad golf hole. It's 0:27:30.760 --> 0:27:34.000 a bad golf hole in a beautiful place. But it's 0:27:34.160 --> 0:27:38.200 it's a but yeah. 0:27:36.920 --> 0:27:38.800 Back to the good golf hole in a beautiful place. 0:27:38.920 --> 0:27:42.160 Sixth at Pacific. I think it's just, oh, it's so cool. 0:27:42.200 --> 0:27:44.800 I mean, when you that fairway must be close to 0:27:44.800 --> 0:27:47.160 one hundred yards wide, and when you're on the left 0:27:47.200 --> 0:27:50.879 side of it, your webshot is it must be like 0:27:50.960 --> 0:27:53.159 hitting onto a table from over there. Luckily I was 0:27:53.480 --> 0:27:55.159 on the right side, and I think most of our 0:27:55.160 --> 0:27:58.320 group was. But from the right side, even you got 0:27:58.359 --> 0:28:00.280 to hit a really good shot. 0:28:00.320 --> 0:28:01.359 In there to hold that green. 0:28:01.640 --> 0:28:05.440 It's the smallest green on property, I believe that, one 0:28:05.480 --> 0:28:10.080 of our caddies said. And the way it angles back 0:28:10.560 --> 0:28:13.479 is just it sets up everything and you have to 0:28:13.480 --> 0:28:15.760 carry the bunker on the right, which if you're playing 0:28:15.760 --> 0:28:21.480 into the wind, isn't necessarily a foregone conclusion. So six 0:28:21.560 --> 0:28:25.160 it six at a pack dunes, Six at Old Mac 0:28:25.280 --> 0:28:26.000 honorable mention. 0:28:27.080 --> 0:28:28.840 Absolutely on seven. 0:28:29.000 --> 0:28:31.600 Yeah, you're you're you're on board with that, well, yep. Cool. 0:28:31.840 --> 0:28:34.719 Seven for me is Old Mac. Uh. 0:28:35.160 --> 0:28:38.560 It is a wonderful kind of drive wedge hole. 0:28:39.760 --> 0:28:43.600 Not a template. This hole is called Ocean. It is 0:28:44.000 --> 0:28:45.160 just an original. 0:28:44.760 --> 0:28:47.240 Hole and this is where you play up to the 0:28:47.880 --> 0:28:50.560 dune ridge at the back of the property and this 0:28:50.640 --> 0:28:52.800 is where you get your first look at the ocean 0:28:53.120 --> 0:28:54.200 at Old Mac. 0:28:54.720 --> 0:28:56.600 So you play up to this. 0:28:57.040 --> 0:29:00.680 It's a great green and off the tee, you know, 0:29:00.760 --> 0:29:03.440 you want to play it up the left side if possible. 0:29:03.680 --> 0:29:07.760 They're scarded by bunkers, and then you've got a gorse 0:29:07.760 --> 0:29:09.600 bush over there and. 0:29:09.640 --> 0:29:12.440 From there you get a really nice angle into the green. 0:29:12.520 --> 0:29:15.320 But it's a really hard approach shot because you're hitting 0:29:15.680 --> 0:29:19.680 significantly uphill. You can't really tell where the pin is, 0:29:19.920 --> 0:29:22.680 and like you don't know where the green edges are 0:29:22.720 --> 0:29:26.080 because it's so uphill, and then you're also contending with 0:29:26.560 --> 0:29:29.000 if you're at Old Mac, likely a pretty big wind. 0:29:29.400 --> 0:29:32.920 So it is a golf hole that demands good shots 0:29:33.040 --> 0:29:34.400 into the green and. 0:29:35.840 --> 0:29:37.960 It's one of just my favorite holes out there. 0:29:38.800 --> 0:29:42.320 Yeah, I think I agree with that. We saw what 0:29:42.360 --> 0:29:44.440 can happen when you go long. 0:29:44.760 --> 0:29:45.920 Yeah, you've found out. 0:29:46.560 --> 0:29:49.120 I had a little adventure back there that there's a 0:29:49.240 --> 0:29:51.960 huge drop off, big bunker back there, and it's. 0:29:51.800 --> 0:29:53.480 Just you don't want to come up short. 0:29:53.560 --> 0:29:55.640 That's the place to be. Yeah, you can see what 0:29:55.760 --> 0:29:57.920 upshort is, but long is. 0:29:58.600 --> 0:30:01.640 You know, from what I nderstand that putting the green 0:30:01.720 --> 0:30:04.120 all the way up there wasn't a foregone conclusion, right. 0:30:04.120 --> 0:30:06.120 They kind of thought about that for a while, and 0:30:06.240 --> 0:30:08.840 I mean, I think everyone who's played that hole now 0:30:08.960 --> 0:30:11.080 is very grateful that they put it up there. 0:30:11.800 --> 0:30:15.120 Yeah, it's a cool hole. I think that there are 0:30:15.160 --> 0:30:19.040 other good seventh holes. I really like Bandon seventh hole. 0:30:19.640 --> 0:30:21.600 I think that's one of the strongest holes on the 0:30:21.960 --> 0:30:27.880 abandoned rumbold Land. Yeah, I also really like the seventh 0:30:27.920 --> 0:30:30.920 that Bandon Trails. I think that's a really good golf 0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:31.440 hole too. 0:30:31.840 --> 0:30:35.760 Uphill par four seventh and seventh and Pacific Dunes is 0:30:35.760 --> 0:30:39.640 a great I think. I think that's probably my honorable mention. 0:30:39.840 --> 0:30:44.360 I'm deciding between that one and and Bandon Dunes because 0:30:44.360 --> 0:30:47.640 I agree that that Bandon Dunes hole, just the land 0:30:47.760 --> 0:30:50.400 is is great, the green side is great, It's a 0:30:50.640 --> 0:30:53.400 it's a stronghole, and a nice follow up to the 0:30:53.680 --> 0:30:57.200 to the relative disappointment that is six there. But you 0:30:57.240 --> 0:31:02.160 know seven at Pacific Dunes pretty long, difficult par four. 0:31:02.280 --> 0:31:04.959 Five to seven, and you get rid of the one 0:31:05.000 --> 0:31:08.760 hundred and fifty yard walk back to the seventh. T 0:31:09.600 --> 0:31:12.240 you could walk right off the fifth green abandoned dunes 0:31:12.240 --> 0:31:15.240 and gone to seven, which is a great hole, and 0:31:15.440 --> 0:31:18.480 all of a sudden four five, six, seven, eight. It 0:31:18.560 --> 0:31:20.880 would have been like a really good and you could 0:31:20.880 --> 0:31:22.680 have found a par three somewhere else. 0:31:22.480 --> 0:31:25.160 Because eight is a really good hole. Tao, Yeah, what 0:31:25.200 --> 0:31:29.440 do you think? Well for honorable mention? Seventh hole? I 0:31:29.480 --> 0:31:30.840 think I'm undecided on this one. 0:31:30.880 --> 0:31:33.200 No, I mean, I think you could sway me either way. 0:31:33.240 --> 0:31:34.400 I think was really. 0:31:34.160 --> 0:31:37.480 Cool about all these holes though, is that they all well, 0:31:37.480 --> 0:31:39.760 at least the three were talking about Old Mac Trails, 0:31:39.760 --> 0:31:43.720 abandoned and then Pacific. Even if you come up short, 0:31:43.760 --> 0:31:45.960 I mean it's a demanding shot in all three of them, 0:31:46.200 --> 0:31:48.280 or all four of them, really, I mean, you just 0:31:48.400 --> 0:31:51.480 have to either hit the shot or you were really 0:31:51.520 --> 0:31:55.280 scrambling for par I don't honestly have a strong feeling. 0:31:55.320 --> 0:31:57.560 I think you could put honorable mention on any of them. 0:31:58.160 --> 0:32:00.920 Well, you got to make a decision one to one, 0:32:01.600 --> 0:32:04.720 all right, Well, then my honorable mention goes to Bandon. 0:32:05.360 --> 0:32:06.280 I think that's a fun shot. 0:32:06.320 --> 0:32:10.840 In No, we haven't even brought up Sheep Ranches par 0:32:11.000 --> 0:32:15.000 threes that are all play to infinity edges on the ocean. 0:32:15.320 --> 0:32:17.760 And I think there's a reason that we haven't brought 0:32:17.800 --> 0:32:22.240 them up is that there are three six consecutive par threes, 0:32:22.640 --> 0:32:25.800 you know, close together in the routing three five and seven, 0:32:25.920 --> 0:32:29.880 three five and seven that are all feel extremely similar. 0:32:30.720 --> 0:32:33.600 And I think that's probably one of the weakest parts 0:32:33.760 --> 0:32:37.520 of Sheep Ranches. And I think it was very intentional 0:32:37.560 --> 0:32:40.600 to play these par threes to the ocean. I think 0:32:40.640 --> 0:32:44.120 that is something that you know, is a big thing 0:32:44.240 --> 0:32:48.000 for the retail golfer, you know, is getting these par 0:32:48.120 --> 0:32:51.200 threes facing the ocean, and I think it works against 0:32:51.280 --> 0:32:54.160 Sheep Ranch in terms of like it doesn't they all 0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:58.000 feel the same And to eight and eight is for 0:32:58.120 --> 0:33:02.240 me Sheep Ranch. This is a hole that plays. It's 0:33:02.280 --> 0:33:07.520 one of the pieces of pizza, as Bill core would say, 0:33:07.680 --> 0:33:12.640 but explain that well, it plays from the edge. Everything 0:33:12.840 --> 0:33:15.240 narrows as you get to the edge, right, So it's 0:33:15.320 --> 0:33:19.640 either par three's or the green sites of par four's 0:33:19.840 --> 0:33:23.360 or tea boxes. So it's a tea box that fans out. 0:33:23.560 --> 0:33:26.120 It's a wide area, so it's like a piece of 0:33:26.160 --> 0:33:27.080 pizza coming up. 0:33:27.720 --> 0:33:31.440 It's the routing. It's the routing principle that they use 0:33:31.560 --> 0:33:36.960 to get people to the ocean and back inland. At 0:33:37.000 --> 0:33:40.440 Sheep Ranch. A lot of the holes make these triangles 0:33:40.800 --> 0:33:42.959 that Bill Corry referred to on a video that we 0:33:43.160 --> 0:33:45.400 do in the podcast, and it was on the on 0:33:45.440 --> 0:33:48.240 the podcast and the video as a piece of pizza. 0:33:48.280 --> 0:33:50.920 And as you can tell, it tickles Andy and. 0:33:50.880 --> 0:33:53.920 So to visualize it for people, so seven plays into 0:33:53.960 --> 0:33:57.479 this point, eight plays out, nine plays back in, and 0:33:57.520 --> 0:34:00.000 then ten comes back out. And I mean you really 0:34:00.240 --> 0:34:04.240 could walk from both greens and Tea's in a matter 0:34:04.280 --> 0:34:06.640 of thirty seconds. They're all very close to each other. 0:34:07.400 --> 0:34:11.840 So eight you're going with sheranch. 0:34:11.360 --> 0:34:14.680 So it plays away from the ocean and plays back 0:34:14.920 --> 0:34:18.040 into this wooded you know, behind the green is this 0:34:18.680 --> 0:34:23.279 these woods, and the whole bends very severely. It might 0:34:23.360 --> 0:34:25.960 be the most And I noticed this when I was 0:34:26.000 --> 0:34:29.319 flying the drone even more than playing it really like 0:34:29.360 --> 0:34:33.600 it almost horseshoes. The thing turned so hard and you 0:34:33.640 --> 0:34:36.640 don't really you can't really tell because the t shots blind. 0:34:37.640 --> 0:34:41.320 But it adds this huge variability in wind, like you 0:34:41.360 --> 0:34:43.399 can be on one side of the fairway and then 0:34:43.440 --> 0:34:45.200 you can be on the other and the wind hits 0:34:45.239 --> 0:34:48.600 so much different. And then the other thing about it 0:34:48.680 --> 0:34:54.720 is the green. The green is absolutely incredible. Cameron, who's 0:34:54.800 --> 0:34:59.080 not on this podcast, compared it, you know, to like 0:34:59.160 --> 0:35:03.360 the road hole road Hole Green at Augusta National five. 0:35:03.920 --> 0:35:07.240 Like it's got those two huge mounds in the front 0:35:07.239 --> 0:35:11.000 of it that are like this big kind of false front. 0:35:11.040 --> 0:35:13.799 If you play up the left off the fairway, it's 0:35:13.840 --> 0:35:16.480 a much easier approach in because you don't have to 0:35:16.520 --> 0:35:19.160 contend with those mounds as much. You're hitting kind of 0:35:19.200 --> 0:35:22.239 diagonally over them as opposed to right into them. 0:35:22.880 --> 0:35:23.759 If you're up the right. 0:35:23.840 --> 0:35:26.520 Now, the right yields a lot shorter of an approach, 0:35:26.840 --> 0:35:29.840 so you know, from there you can get you a 0:35:29.920 --> 0:35:32.840 shorter approach, but it's not necessarily an easier one to 0:35:32.840 --> 0:35:36.359 get to certain pins because those huge mounds just eat 0:35:36.400 --> 0:35:38.799 golf balls and divert them over to the front right 0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:40.960 of the green or off the front of the green. 0:35:41.280 --> 0:35:43.840 And then the behind the mounds is this channel that 0:35:43.920 --> 0:35:46.360 kind of cuts across the green as well. It's just 0:35:46.560 --> 0:35:49.680 it's one of my favorite greens on the property, and 0:35:49.719 --> 0:35:51.640 I just I really like the golf hole. 0:35:52.400 --> 0:35:54.480 Yeah, and when you consider I mean even the left 0:35:54.520 --> 0:35:56.960 pins that we didn't play on this trip, but with 0:35:57.040 --> 0:35:59.200 the predominant winds coming out of the north, this hole 0:35:59.280 --> 0:36:02.000 is playing. It starts north and bends northeast, and so 0:36:02.040 --> 0:36:04.799 when the winds coming out of the north, you're it's 0:36:04.840 --> 0:36:07.680 off your left as the golfer, and getting it to 0:36:07.840 --> 0:36:10.720 the left side of that green, there's a back shelf. 0:36:11.200 --> 0:36:14.080 I mean, it's it is really a difficult shot to 0:36:14.120 --> 0:36:17.400 get up there, and it makes it a very interesting approach. 0:36:18.160 --> 0:36:19.239 Is that your choice as well? 0:36:19.360 --> 0:36:19.480 Well? 0:36:19.520 --> 0:36:20.040 Absolutely? 0:36:20.080 --> 0:36:25.000 Eight cheap ranch, oh man, I'd go with eight abandoned trails. 0:36:25.520 --> 0:36:28.480 I love that. I mean, I think that you could 0:36:28.480 --> 0:36:31.960 play that in any number of different ways. It's a 0:36:32.000 --> 0:36:37.680 short part four. It drifts slightly to the left. There's 0:36:38.280 --> 0:36:41.560 a good amount of room out to the right from 0:36:41.840 --> 0:36:45.400 certain tees and for certain players it could be drivable. 0:36:45.840 --> 0:36:47.800 You could get your drive on the front edge of 0:36:47.840 --> 0:36:51.240 the green, but it's very uncomfortable to do that because 0:36:51.360 --> 0:36:54.719 along the left side is a lot of nastiness that 0:36:54.760 --> 0:36:57.640 you just don't want to get involved in. But the 0:36:57.760 --> 0:37:00.439 right side and the right side, if you it's too 0:37:00.440 --> 0:37:03.200 far to the right side, if you're gone, you're you're Yeah, 0:37:03.480 --> 0:37:07.200 the hole's over. But there is there is some room 0:37:07.200 --> 0:37:07.600 out there. 0:37:07.640 --> 0:37:10.000 You know, you're you're a drawer of the ball. So 0:37:10.080 --> 0:37:13.440 you didn't even see the right side, that's all. 0:37:13.560 --> 0:37:16.840 I was thinking a shorter hitter than you guys, so 0:37:17.160 --> 0:37:19.839 I didn't have to worry, right. 0:37:20.440 --> 0:37:22.880 Yeah, one of the times I played it, I just 0:37:22.960 --> 0:37:25.160 parked it in there a couple of years ago. 0:37:25.560 --> 0:37:28.319 Yeah, yeah, so there. Yeah, you don't want to miss 0:37:28.320 --> 0:37:30.160 on either side really, but there is some room out 0:37:30.200 --> 0:37:32.120 to the right. If you want to take a long 0:37:32.160 --> 0:37:35.320 iron off the tee or a hybrid or whatever, then 0:37:35.560 --> 0:37:37.759 you know you aren't going to get in too much 0:37:37.760 --> 0:37:40.680 trouble on the right. But that web shot to the 0:37:40.719 --> 0:37:44.160 green is pretty dicey because from the right the green 0:37:44.400 --> 0:37:47.239 is running away from you, and if you go a 0:37:47.320 --> 0:37:50.000 little bit long, you're running into the bunkers or the 0:37:50.040 --> 0:37:53.000 short grass on the other side. And that shot from 0:37:53.120 --> 0:37:57.160 over there below the green is just no fun at all. 0:37:57.680 --> 0:38:00.319 And so it's a It's a great little at part 0:38:00.400 --> 0:38:03.759 four that can be drivable sometimes if you if you 0:38:03.880 --> 0:38:06.160 push your drive toward the left and get up on 0:38:06.200 --> 0:38:08.640 the kind of front edge of the green, then you 0:38:08.760 --> 0:38:11.640 have a fairly easy kind of bump and run up 0:38:11.680 --> 0:38:15.640 to most of the pins. But if you're you know, 0:38:15.640 --> 0:38:18.000 if you miss to the left, or if you aren't 0:38:18.040 --> 0:38:20.560 so courageous and go out to the right, then I 0:38:20.600 --> 0:38:22.919 can things can start moving quickly on that hole. 0:38:23.200 --> 0:38:26.280 Eight might be one of the strongest all round holes 0:38:26.360 --> 0:38:29.359 across the resort, because I really think you could make 0:38:29.400 --> 0:38:31.040 a case for any of the eighth holes. 0:38:31.280 --> 0:38:33.200 Yeah, the beer it's part three. 0:38:33.280 --> 0:38:35.800 Coming down the hill at Old Mac is jaw dropping 0:38:35.840 --> 0:38:39.160 in difficult. 0:38:40.200 --> 0:38:43.080 Yeah, now that I think about it, Old Mac eight, 0:38:44.000 --> 0:38:44.520 it's fun. 0:38:45.080 --> 0:38:48.840 I only go eight as at Old Mac is my 0:38:48.920 --> 0:38:50.239 honorable mention, I'd like to know. 0:38:50.280 --> 0:38:55.359 I'm not totally sure how the wind is on that 0:38:55.400 --> 0:38:59.200 hole usually, but I I don't think it's ever downwind. 0:38:59.400 --> 0:39:02.840 Now that I actually actually brought that up with Casey, 0:39:02.880 --> 0:39:04.800 I asked him one of our cast. 0:39:04.880 --> 0:39:06.240 Pr right to left helping. 0:39:06.840 --> 0:39:10.319 Yeah, maybe maybe he just said it's really He says, 0:39:10.360 --> 0:39:13.840 the rarest wind is the one that comes from the ocean, 0:39:14.520 --> 0:39:16.879 and and that's that hole is facing directly away from 0:39:16.920 --> 0:39:19.399 the ocean. I think it would be a somewhat more 0:39:19.440 --> 0:39:22.279 fun hole if it were downwind, because then you would 0:39:22.360 --> 0:39:26.160 really be running the ball through the green. You would 0:39:26.160 --> 0:39:27.880 be running it, you know, from the front of the 0:39:27.920 --> 0:39:31.239 beer it's through the trough to the other side. When 0:39:31.280 --> 0:39:33.040 we were playing it into the wind on one of 0:39:33.040 --> 0:39:35.560 the days, I'm not saying that's a common wind. Then, 0:39:36.040 --> 0:39:38.000 I don't know, it's it loses a little something. 0:39:38.719 --> 0:39:40.560 It did say that the pin is in the back 0:39:40.640 --> 0:39:43.600 almost always, which is great, which is where it should be. 0:39:43.680 --> 0:39:46.279 Yeah. Absolutely, And then I think you. 0:39:46.239 --> 0:39:48.960 Started to say this chart, but Ada Pacific is really 0:39:49.000 --> 0:39:52.200 cool too. That green site the bunker pushed into it 0:39:52.239 --> 0:39:55.440 in the punch bowl effect in the backside is it's 0:39:55.840 --> 0:39:57.520 makes for such a fun approach. 0:39:57.200 --> 0:39:59.640 And the vicious false front in the front. Like the 0:39:59.640 --> 0:40:03.920 front pins really cool because it has this really severe 0:40:03.960 --> 0:40:06.279 false front that it kind of blends in. 0:40:06.760 --> 0:40:09.000 It's such a beautiful place for a green there. 0:40:09.200 --> 0:40:12.160 I also like the t shot because like, if you're 0:40:12.160 --> 0:40:14.240 playing a downwind and you hit it up the left, 0:40:14.280 --> 0:40:16.600 you can get blocked out by those trees and it's 0:40:16.680 --> 0:40:19.080 just a sneaky thing. You don't want to play up 0:40:19.080 --> 0:40:22.840 the right, but you kind of need to when it's downwind. 0:40:23.120 --> 0:40:25.640 There's a ton of room out to the left. But yeah, 0:40:25.880 --> 0:40:27.680 it gets worse and worse as you get over there. 0:40:27.840 --> 0:40:30.480 And I do like a whole like eight at Pacific 0:40:30.560 --> 0:40:33.360 Dunes where you can get in a really nasty looking 0:40:33.400 --> 0:40:36.279 green side bunker. There's this little pot bunker right in 0:40:36.280 --> 0:40:38.799 front of the green. You get in there and you're like, okay, 0:40:38.840 --> 0:40:41.480 I'm dead. But for a lot of pins, you have 0:40:41.520 --> 0:40:44.040 a backstop that you could play off of, and so 0:40:44.120 --> 0:40:46.359 you very well could get in that bunker and say 0:40:46.360 --> 0:40:48.279 the person you're playing against is on the green and 0:40:48.800 --> 0:40:51.960 they're like, oh, I'm set. But you could bank it 0:40:52.160 --> 0:40:55.400 off of that backboard and get it pretty close to 0:40:55.440 --> 0:40:57.480 the hole out of that bunker. So I think that's 0:40:57.600 --> 0:41:00.319 there's a cool opportunity for sort of reverse. 0:41:00.360 --> 0:41:03.840 In a match between two people, hold nine, hold nine, 0:41:04.000 --> 0:41:07.880 lots of choices, lots of choices, five choices on every 0:41:07.920 --> 0:41:09.080 single one of these. 0:41:09.920 --> 0:41:12.520 And we're talking about just about all of them on 0:41:12.560 --> 0:41:15.440 every hole. Maybe maybe we should go quicker. 0:41:16.440 --> 0:41:18.920 Maybe I think I think this one. I think we're 0:41:18.960 --> 0:41:22.600 all on board with nine at Pacific. Yes, I don't know. 0:41:23.520 --> 0:41:25.439 I might go a different direction with it. But let's 0:41:25.480 --> 0:41:26.719 talk about nine at Pacific. 0:41:26.960 --> 0:41:29.680 He won't be going nine at Old Mac. We know that. 0:41:30.160 --> 0:41:32.120 No, I'm not. I'm not a huge fan of Night 0:41:32.200 --> 0:41:34.439 at Old Mac, though the people in this room are 0:41:34.440 --> 0:41:38.160 bigger fans of it than I am. But go go ahead. 0:41:38.360 --> 0:41:39.880 Let's talk about nine at Old Mac first. 0:41:40.200 --> 0:41:41.319 No, not at nine at all. 0:41:41.440 --> 0:41:49.520 Manea Pacific par four up the hill really blind t 0:41:49.719 --> 0:41:53.880 shot two greens as well. The upper green is the 0:41:53.920 --> 0:41:57.080 one we played too, But there's a lower green, but 0:41:57.080 --> 0:41:59.960 at least thirty yards I mean it is way down there. 0:42:00.960 --> 0:42:02.759 That's off to the left. The upper green is on 0:42:02.800 --> 0:42:07.880 the right side. To the right green, I think is 0:42:08.000 --> 0:42:10.839 just a remarkable hole. Even if you have wedge into 0:42:10.880 --> 0:42:15.000 that green, everything cascades away from you. If you're on 0:42:15.000 --> 0:42:16.920 the left hand side of the fairway, and I mean 0:42:16.920 --> 0:42:20.880 the fairway is one hundred yards wide, it's almost impossible 0:42:20.920 --> 0:42:21.279 to miss it. 0:42:21.320 --> 0:42:22.920 Yeah, you can miss it right if you're trying to 0:42:22.920 --> 0:42:24.799 push it up the right, which you have to do 0:42:24.920 --> 0:42:27.960 for the right green, the top green, which is on 0:42:28.000 --> 0:42:31.160 the right side. You you really need to be up 0:42:31.320 --> 0:42:34.840 on the right. It's so so difficult from the left. 0:42:35.560 --> 0:42:37.279 Yeah. So, I mean that's a great hole. But what 0:42:37.320 --> 0:42:38.560 do you think about the lower Did you get a 0:42:38.640 --> 0:42:39.600 good look at the lower green? 0:42:39.640 --> 0:42:41.680 Well, I got to look at it, but I know, 0:42:41.760 --> 0:42:43.759 I guess so I haven't played down there. I would 0:42:43.760 --> 0:42:45.239 be interested to hear what you guys have to say 0:42:45.239 --> 0:42:45.799 about that one. 0:42:46.080 --> 0:42:49.720 I'm taking as the best. We're making our best holes 0:42:49.719 --> 0:42:51.840 on property. I don't even have to talk about the 0:42:51.880 --> 0:42:52.359 lower hole. 0:42:54.520 --> 0:42:56.759 So you're just going to deny the existence of that 0:42:56.840 --> 0:43:00.400 lower green. That's my holes to the upper It's not 0:43:00.480 --> 0:43:02.839 your hole. It's the hole that's at the course. We're 0:43:02.920 --> 0:43:04.240 judging the holes at the course. 0:43:04.360 --> 0:43:04.919 My hole. 0:43:05.320 --> 0:43:08.400 The pin is on the People often play Pacific Dunes 0:43:08.440 --> 0:43:12.200 once in their lives, and frequently the pin is down 0:43:12.200 --> 0:43:12.880 on the left. 0:43:13.160 --> 0:43:14.600 It's fine it's fun down there. 0:43:14.640 --> 0:43:16.719 It is fun down there. It's not as good of 0:43:16.760 --> 0:43:17.720 a hole though, right. 0:43:17.680 --> 0:43:19.440 No, it isn't. 0:43:19.800 --> 0:43:22.040 What is weaker when the pins down there? 0:43:22.080 --> 0:43:25.880 Well, there's just less strategy, like you you don't there's 0:43:26.320 --> 0:43:29.960 not really there's a preferred like you'd rather be left then, 0:43:30.520 --> 0:43:34.000 but it's not anyway. You do not pay the sharp 0:43:34.040 --> 0:43:36.920 penalty you pay if you're left when you want to 0:43:36.920 --> 0:43:38.560 be right to the upper green. 0:43:38.719 --> 0:43:42.480 And the upper green is so cool too, by the way, there's. 0:43:42.040 --> 0:43:45.080 This little bins really cool too, but the upper green 0:43:45.160 --> 0:43:46.000 is just like better. 0:43:46.719 --> 0:43:50.239 Yeah, so that Yeah, this would be my issue with 0:43:51.160 --> 0:43:54.640 putting this hole over the one that maybe you guys 0:43:54.640 --> 0:43:57.440 will give honorable mention to it. I don't know, But 0:43:58.040 --> 0:44:01.320 what is it? Sheep Ranch? Yeah, I love ninep Branch. 0:44:01.520 --> 0:44:02.120 I think that's a. 0:44:02.080 --> 0:44:04.319 Great golf We have no par threes on our front 0:44:04.400 --> 0:44:05.279 nine Yeah, I know. 0:44:06.160 --> 0:44:07.920 So well, So what do you like about nine and 0:44:08.000 --> 0:44:08.839 sheep Branch so much? 0:44:08.920 --> 0:44:11.520 Okay? So nine and sheep Ranch Part four that plays 0:44:11.520 --> 0:44:17.480 from inland out to the cliffs. And what I really 0:44:17.560 --> 0:44:20.520 like about that hole is that there's plenty of room 0:44:20.560 --> 0:44:23.200 in the fair way, but it's still a pretty intimidating 0:44:23.320 --> 0:44:28.040 drive because uh, you know, it really does kind of 0:44:28.120 --> 0:44:30.920 narrow down, and so it's it's a lot safer if 0:44:30.920 --> 0:44:32.839 you decide to lay back, But if you really want 0:44:32.840 --> 0:44:35.080 to push it up like Andy did today, he had 0:44:35.120 --> 0:44:36.960 a bomb on this hole if you want to. If 0:44:36.960 --> 0:44:38.839 you want a nice little wedge into this green. 0:44:38.960 --> 0:44:41.160 It's not a nice wedge though, it's not like you 0:44:41.200 --> 0:44:41.800 don't like it. 0:44:42.360 --> 0:44:44.680 If you want a wedge into the screen. And but 0:44:44.760 --> 0:44:47.440 it's important that you have that you have a shorter 0:44:47.520 --> 0:44:51.720 club into this green because it's it's very very hard 0:44:52.120 --> 0:44:55.360 to hold this greens, especially in its back set section 0:44:55.800 --> 0:45:00.520 it runs away. There's there's sort of great creative rounds 0:45:01.040 --> 0:45:03.480 to the green, like little hazards that you can get into. 0:45:03.680 --> 0:45:06.640 There are obviously no sand bunkers at Cheap Branch. I 0:45:06.680 --> 0:45:09.319 think most people know this at this point, and that 0:45:09.360 --> 0:45:12.200 means that there's this great variety of green side hazards 0:45:12.200 --> 0:45:15.479 that are there instead, and this green is a great 0:45:15.480 --> 0:45:18.360 example of that. I just think it's a really simple 0:45:18.440 --> 0:45:22.920 golf hole on a fantastic piece of land, and you know, 0:45:22.920 --> 0:45:25.200 I could play it over and over. But the upper 0:45:25.239 --> 0:45:29.279 Green hole at Pacific Dunes is overall that one is 0:45:29.360 --> 0:45:30.600 I would admit stronger. 0:45:31.560 --> 0:45:33.360 Oh okay, so we're. 0:45:33.520 --> 0:45:37.160 But there's two. But but there are two greens at 0:45:37.239 --> 0:45:38.640 Pacific Dunes. Ninth ball. 0:45:38.920 --> 0:45:42.000 We're only playing. 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It's it's a 0:48:53.239 --> 0:48:57.520 wide fairway, it's a rumpled fair away, lots of contours. 0:48:57.560 --> 0:48:59.600 If you hit it right down the middle, you're you're 0:48:59.640 --> 0:49:03.600 blind to everything, which is a feature I always love. 0:49:04.040 --> 0:49:05.759 If you want to build a hole that I love, 0:49:05.920 --> 0:49:08.000 make the center of the fairway the worst place you 0:49:08.000 --> 0:49:12.440 can be and from there the green has got a 0:49:12.520 --> 0:49:16.359 neat green is kind of like shallow and wide, which 0:49:16.400 --> 0:49:19.520 is another thing I like a lot. And depending on 0:49:19.560 --> 0:49:21.080 where the pin is, you want to be on the 0:49:21.120 --> 0:49:23.400 left or the right side of the fairway because that'll 0:49:23.400 --> 0:49:26.399 give you an actual look into the green. And if 0:49:26.440 --> 0:49:30.160 it's windy, it's just really a difficult hole. If it's 0:49:30.280 --> 0:49:33.360 down wind, you know, or you know, kind of coming 0:49:33.520 --> 0:49:36.319 across and down, it's gonna be. 0:49:36.239 --> 0:49:37.280 Hard to hold the green. 0:49:38.000 --> 0:49:41.000 If it's coming the other way, it's just like hard 0:49:41.040 --> 0:49:43.799 to keep the spin off the ball and get it 0:49:43.920 --> 0:49:45.600 far enough to get onto the green. 0:49:46.000 --> 0:49:48.239 And the blind approach, I mean really adds to like 0:49:48.320 --> 0:49:51.120 the left side of the tenth green like falls off 0:49:51.239 --> 0:49:54.120 so hard, and unless you've played the hole before, you 0:49:54.239 --> 0:49:56.200 might not know that, so you need a caddy to 0:49:56.239 --> 0:50:00.040 tell you or you could be just chipping for five really. 0:50:00.000 --> 0:50:04.880 So there's uncertainty in the heavy winds that you get 0:50:05.000 --> 0:50:08.839 at the resort, Like that really is an added thing 0:50:08.960 --> 0:50:11.680 that makes the shot very difficult. 0:50:12.040 --> 0:50:15.040 Yeah, and it's a what I like about the tenth hole. 0:50:15.160 --> 0:50:16.680 One of the things I like about it is that 0:50:16.760 --> 0:50:21.640 it's a hole where big hitters can get into more 0:50:21.719 --> 0:50:25.480 trouble than shorter hitters, you know, because if you're a 0:50:25.520 --> 0:50:28.279 shorter hitter, you just play out to the left, like 0:50:28.360 --> 0:50:30.880 as far out left as you can get, and you 0:50:31.000 --> 0:50:33.719 might get a little peek at the green and it's 0:50:33.880 --> 0:50:36.919 very safe out there and you can hit a nice 0:50:36.920 --> 0:50:41.320 little approach in there. But if you are an aggressive player, 0:50:41.400 --> 0:50:43.479 if you hit the ball a long way, you're looking 0:50:43.560 --> 0:50:45.760 up the right and thinking, I want to go straight 0:50:45.800 --> 0:50:47.799 at the screen. I want to get as close as 0:50:47.960 --> 0:50:49.480 close as I can. I don't want to take the 0:50:49.520 --> 0:50:52.560 long route around. I think I can carry this bunker 0:50:52.719 --> 0:50:55.000 that bunker, and you really can get in a lot 0:50:55.040 --> 0:50:56.799 of trouble out there. It's not a very good angle 0:50:56.840 --> 0:50:59.640 into the green. You can't see anything on your second shot. 0:51:00.080 --> 0:51:02.040 So I like that little dynamic. 0:51:02.960 --> 0:51:06.920 Other tenth holes that are strong, I mean Old Mac. 0:51:07.040 --> 0:51:10.200 The bottle hole is really that. That green is incredible. 0:51:11.640 --> 0:51:13.560 Bottle Hole might be might be the one. 0:51:13.440 --> 0:51:16.520 Tent, but I mean Andy started anyone with band I 0:51:16.520 --> 0:51:19.439 think I think Bandon and Old Mac are one two 0:51:19.440 --> 0:51:22.439 for me. I mean Pacific's part three down the Hill 0:51:22.520 --> 0:51:25.560 is incredible to first of two really good back to 0:51:25.600 --> 0:51:28.120 back holes. I don't know, Garrett what we were thinking. 0:51:28.520 --> 0:51:31.959 I like too, Yeah, that that green with a big 0:51:32.000 --> 0:51:35.080 bank up on the right, and uh, there's lots of 0:51:35.280 --> 0:51:38.759 lots of cool possibilities there. It's a good drive with uh, 0:51:39.160 --> 0:51:41.200 you know, a high side and some and and a 0:51:41.239 --> 0:51:44.360 low side and that that's a really fun hole too. 0:51:44.560 --> 0:51:48.799 But I think that I would give it to I 0:51:48.800 --> 0:51:52.480 would give it to old Mac the honorable mention. All right, eleven, 0:51:53.760 --> 0:51:55.640 are we gonna swerve here? 0:51:56.000 --> 0:51:59.960 I think so, I mean, I like, it sounds ridicul 0:52:00.400 --> 0:52:04.839 to not pick eleven at Pacific, but I think, I. 0:52:04.760 --> 0:52:06.399 Mean, we're still not going to pick up Heart three. 0:52:06.640 --> 0:52:09.160 Maybe I and we maybe who knows, Maybe I'll be 0:52:09.239 --> 0:52:12.160 just decided here. But I mean eleven at Trails is 0:52:12.239 --> 0:52:13.719 just so fantastic. 0:52:13.840 --> 0:52:15.320 Yeah, I don't know what you guys think. 0:52:15.960 --> 0:52:18.160 Yeah, I love eleven and Trails up and over a 0:52:18.200 --> 0:52:22.160 part four bending to the right, little uh water feature 0:52:22.440 --> 0:52:25.960 along the right side of the green, unusual site, abandoned dunes, 0:52:25.960 --> 0:52:29.520 but a very natural looking little pond next thing and 0:52:29.520 --> 0:52:32.520 next to what's really a fantastic green. I think I'd 0:52:32.520 --> 0:52:34.399 still have to give it to eleven at Pacific Dunes. 0:52:34.440 --> 0:52:38.600 So that's just one of the great Pacific Dud I 0:52:38.680 --> 0:52:42.560 talked about in my mind made out that I'm going 0:52:42.640 --> 0:52:46.120 to do eleven Trails. I love eleven in Trails is 0:52:46.239 --> 0:52:51.200 so awesome. I love that hole. It'd be hard for 0:52:51.239 --> 0:52:53.960 me to not pick that hole against so but I 0:52:54.000 --> 0:52:57.359 am going to pick Pacific Dunes eleventh hole. 0:52:57.719 --> 0:53:00.880 Yeah, eleven of trails. Anything more say about that For 0:53:01.040 --> 0:53:03.520 people who don't know the hole very well, I. 0:53:03.520 --> 0:53:07.080 Just I think it's such a neat hole. I really 0:53:07.239 --> 0:53:10.319 like when it plays into the wind. Yeah, because you 0:53:10.400 --> 0:53:13.439 have this big downhill approach and there's a bunker that's 0:53:13.440 --> 0:53:16.400 set thirty yards off the green. If you carry the bunker, 0:53:16.800 --> 0:53:19.000 it just shoots the ball right into the green. 0:53:19.719 --> 0:53:20.680 It's a neat green. 0:53:20.920 --> 0:53:25.240 The green's always in shade, so you don't the features 0:53:25.239 --> 0:53:28.239 don't like pop off the page at you. But it's 0:53:28.239 --> 0:53:31.520 got the left side of the greens really got some 0:53:31.680 --> 0:53:37.040 nice contour. And I think, just to me, I meant 0:53:37.080 --> 0:53:39.080 to bring this up when we were talking about nine, 0:53:39.080 --> 0:53:43.879 but like nine and eleven at Bandoned Trails or two 0:53:44.120 --> 0:53:47.680 moments like in that forest setting where I just like 0:53:47.760 --> 0:53:50.480 am like And it might be because I'm from Chicago 0:53:50.600 --> 0:53:52.239 and I haven't played much golf. 0:53:52.320 --> 0:53:53.719 In the Pacific Northwest. 0:53:54.040 --> 0:53:56.200 You know, I never went to Reno as a kid, 0:53:58.840 --> 0:54:01.440 but I get back and I'm just like, God, this 0:54:01.600 --> 0:54:05.000 is amazing with those those huge trees. I don't know 0:54:05.040 --> 0:54:06.640 exactly what kind of trees they. 0:54:06.560 --> 0:54:09.719 Are, but well, so back to eleven a Pacific. Then 0:54:09.800 --> 0:54:11.360 what makes it such a good Part three? 0:54:11.760 --> 0:54:14.440 I mean, it's just you're right on the ocean and 0:54:14.560 --> 0:54:17.680 just the naturalness of it. And one of the things 0:54:17.719 --> 0:54:20.960 about it is like everybody gets I think, really freaked 0:54:20.960 --> 0:54:23.880 out on that tea but there's a lot of space 0:54:24.000 --> 0:54:26.799 right and the right kind of banks you in so 0:54:26.840 --> 0:54:29.279 you don't have to necessarily take it on. And I 0:54:29.280 --> 0:54:32.800 think it's just one of those moments. It's a moment 0:54:32.880 --> 0:54:36.400 in the round that really demands your attention. Like you 0:54:36.600 --> 0:54:39.400 stand on that tea box and you're uneasy no matter what, 0:54:39.520 --> 0:54:42.200 because you've got your the ocean on the left, these 0:54:42.440 --> 0:54:46.640 massive bunkers in front, like front pins, back pins. Any 0:54:46.719 --> 0:54:51.200 pin is a challenging shot there, like where you really like, 0:54:51.480 --> 0:54:53.560 you know, when you stand up, you have to hit 0:54:53.600 --> 0:54:54.640 a very good shot. 0:54:55.080 --> 0:54:57.960 Yeah, it's it's all about the visual deception because it 0:54:58.000 --> 0:55:02.239 looks like a small grain from the tea but you're 0:55:02.320 --> 0:55:05.719 often hitting a pretty long club there because it is 0:55:05.880 --> 0:55:08.600 frequently into the wind and they can get those teas 0:55:08.680 --> 0:55:12.239 back pretty far. And so you're sitting there looking at 0:55:12.320 --> 0:55:15.239 this what looks like a pretty small green from the 0:55:15.239 --> 0:55:18.319 tea and you have a five iron in your hand 0:55:18.760 --> 0:55:21.759 or you know, or something longer, and it can be 0:55:21.800 --> 0:55:25.520 really intimidating. But as Andy said, there is some room 0:55:25.680 --> 0:55:29.600 short right to leave your ball that that is pretty 0:55:29.640 --> 0:55:30.120 safe there. 0:55:30.480 --> 0:55:34.279 Yeah, I'd be remiss if I didn't mention the eleventhil 0:55:34.440 --> 0:55:35.000 Cheap Ranch. 0:55:35.239 --> 0:55:36.959 That's a great, great par five. 0:55:37.040 --> 0:55:40.560 Yeah, that green site is incredible. I don't even know 0:55:40.560 --> 0:55:43.640 how to describe what it's in. It's like in this 0:55:43.880 --> 0:55:49.279 saddle and there's rocks and sand and I mean it's 0:55:49.360 --> 0:55:50.319 just spectacular. 0:55:50.440 --> 0:55:52.920 It's not clay, but it's like a really dark sand. 0:55:52.960 --> 0:55:56.480 It's almost like a sandstone. Yeah, I'm not sure, but 0:55:56.920 --> 0:55:59.719 it's it looks like, you know, like this green is 0:55:59.719 --> 0:56:01.320 set into a monument or something. 0:56:01.320 --> 0:56:04.960 A great green too, with those rolls that kind of 0:56:05.760 --> 0:56:09.719 knobs in the high leftier and then the knobs in 0:56:09.800 --> 0:56:12.360 the middle of the cut through the middle of the 0:56:12.400 --> 0:56:14.560 green really neat green. 0:56:15.000 --> 0:56:19.440 So my honorable mention would go to Trails. 0:56:21.040 --> 0:56:23.000 Yeah, it has to be Trails. That's a great hole. 0:56:24.000 --> 0:56:26.640 Who's going to take on the twelfth hole first? This 0:56:26.719 --> 0:56:28.360 is this is a tough one. 0:56:28.239 --> 0:56:28.640 I think. 0:56:28.800 --> 0:56:31.000 Yeah, I mean it's a tough one in the sense that, 0:56:31.520 --> 0:56:33.799 unlike some of the past decisions we've had to make, 0:56:33.880 --> 0:56:36.359 this one doesn't have one that jumps out. 0:56:36.600 --> 0:56:40.120 Yeah, there's no good one. Really. This is the weak are. 0:56:40.040 --> 0:56:43.000 Some of the weaker holes of course, all the courses. 0:56:43.080 --> 0:56:45.839 Banded Dune's weak point is that there aren't any great 0:56:45.920 --> 0:56:46.760 twelfth holes. 0:56:47.200 --> 0:56:51.239 Yeah, I mean Pacific Dunes Part five, you know whatever, 0:56:51.280 --> 0:56:53.120 it's not one of the best holes of the course. 0:56:53.239 --> 0:56:56.799 It's a great hole, but it's just twelve Trails is a. 0:56:59.080 --> 0:57:02.239 Old mac twe twelve is the Red Dan, which is 0:57:02.360 --> 0:57:05.200 not one of the more successful templates at. 0:57:05.239 --> 0:57:11.600 The old eleven had the road hole too, road sheep 0:57:11.680 --> 0:57:13.400 ran eleven stacked. 0:57:14.560 --> 0:57:19.080 Any of the eleven holes outside of maybe Bandons would 0:57:19.400 --> 0:57:20.480 win the twelfth hole. 0:57:20.840 --> 0:57:21.480 I think you're right. 0:57:21.640 --> 0:57:22.520 I agree. Maybe. 0:57:22.600 --> 0:57:25.600 I think probably Bandon's eleventh would win the twelfth. 0:57:25.280 --> 0:57:27.400 To Bandon's eleventh. 0:57:27.640 --> 0:57:29.240 Yeah, really maybe. 0:57:29.760 --> 0:57:32.520 I don't know if Bandon's eleventh is better than Bandon's twelfth. 0:57:34.720 --> 0:57:36.280 Because that's what's probably winning the. 0:57:36.280 --> 0:57:40.360 Twelfth A Bandon's twelfth it is. 0:57:41.200 --> 0:57:44.160 Yeah, that's what we're left with. One of the most 0:57:44.200 --> 0:57:48.920 famous holes in America. Yeah, Abandon's twelfth hole, part three 0:57:49.000 --> 0:57:50.640 plays out to the ocean. It was on the cover 0:57:50.680 --> 0:57:52.480 of every magazine in nineteen ninety nine. 0:57:52.760 --> 0:57:55.920 I like the green side. I like how it's pressed 0:57:56.000 --> 0:57:58.720 up against the dune, and I like how that back 0:57:58.800 --> 0:58:02.120 wing on the right kind of serves as a natural 0:58:02.200 --> 0:58:03.440 extension to the dune. 0:58:03.720 --> 0:58:05.280 I think this is a neat hole. 0:58:05.600 --> 0:58:08.040 I think the twelfth Green and Sheep Ranch is pretty 0:58:08.040 --> 0:58:11.200 interesting too. The drive is really nothing to marvel at. 0:58:11.400 --> 0:58:13.000 You just kind of hit it out there. But then, 0:58:13.720 --> 0:58:16.000 as I found out, if you get long at all, 0:58:16.240 --> 0:58:18.280 it really falls away back there too. 0:58:18.960 --> 0:58:22.800 All right, thirteen, this is right back into the gauntlet. 0:58:22.960 --> 0:58:26.560 You know wherever the twelfth shortcomings are are made up 0:58:26.600 --> 0:58:30.040 on the eleventh and the thirteenth holes across the resort. 0:58:30.360 --> 0:58:32.440 Yeah, to me, you know. 0:58:32.480 --> 0:58:35.760 Pacific Dunes is you have to pick this hole. This 0:58:35.880 --> 0:58:38.320 is one of the greatest holes in the world. This 0:58:38.480 --> 0:58:42.120 golf hole is just tremendous. You have these massive dunes 0:58:42.160 --> 0:58:44.080 on the right side, you have the ocean, on the 0:58:44.160 --> 0:58:48.720 left side, you have a wide fairway that narrows as. 0:58:48.520 --> 0:58:49.560 You move forward. 0:58:49.920 --> 0:58:52.800 But also I think what makes the hole is the 0:58:52.840 --> 0:58:56.240 feature in the middle of the fairway. There's a feature 0:58:56.720 --> 0:59:00.320 it's almost like a hog's back where you know, it's 0:59:00.400 --> 0:59:03.040 kind of rounded and it kicks balls left or right. 0:59:03.600 --> 0:59:07.160 If if it kicks you right, you're not not gonna 0:59:07.200 --> 0:59:09.720 be happy with your next shot. It's a delayed penalty. 0:59:09.880 --> 0:59:12.800 That would be you're playing away from the ocean, like 0:59:13.000 --> 0:59:15.960 you know, you stand on the tea box and you 0:59:16.040 --> 0:59:17.120 need to hit it left. 0:59:17.400 --> 0:59:20.520 You really need It sounds crazy to say yeah, because 0:59:20.560 --> 0:59:22.960 there's not much room up there visually, and we. 0:59:22.880 --> 0:59:25.760 Should mention the more obvious thing about the thirteenth Hole, 0:59:25.800 --> 0:59:28.120 aside from, you know, the strategic aspects of it, I 0:59:28.160 --> 0:59:31.960 think are somewhat underappreciated, partly because you have, of course, 0:59:32.000 --> 0:59:35.720 the spectacular cliffs to the left and some of the 0:59:35.760 --> 0:59:40.240 biggest dunes anywhere on this entire property to the right, 0:59:40.760 --> 0:59:44.040 and if you look at pictures of where this hole 0:59:44.200 --> 0:59:48.480 is from before construction, it was basically just there. This 0:59:48.640 --> 0:59:53.560 is a natural hole that just fit beautifully in between 0:59:53.960 --> 0:59:57.280 these massive dunes in the ocean, and it's just such 0:59:57.320 --> 1:00:00.240 a cool place. Anything to add to that, will or 1:00:00.240 --> 1:00:01.640 do you have a honorable mention? 1:00:01.960 --> 1:00:03.120 No, I was gonna yeah. 1:00:03.440 --> 1:00:07.640 Andy said that what the twelve flax? The thirteenth really 1:00:07.640 --> 1:00:10.320 brings it. So I was curious about what is other 1:00:10.440 --> 1:00:11.840 strong thirteen holes were. 1:00:12.840 --> 1:00:16.560 Oh wow, yeah, great Part five that yeah, that has 1:00:16.600 --> 1:00:18.240 a great rumpley Part five. 1:00:18.680 --> 1:00:22.800 That fairway feature on Bandoned Dunes is unbelievable, like the 1:00:22.920 --> 1:00:24.320 rumbles and everything. 1:00:24.720 --> 1:00:26.320 It's a really neat Part five. 1:00:26.520 --> 1:00:31.760 I would say I'm gonna go with with Bandoned Trails though. Yeah, 1:00:31.760 --> 1:00:35.880 I love the green, I love the green site sitting 1:00:35.960 --> 1:00:38.800 up in the in the dunes there, that's a really 1:00:39.080 --> 1:00:40.040 really great hole. 1:00:40.760 --> 1:00:41.280 Fourteen. 1:00:41.640 --> 1:00:45.040 Lots of options on fourteen, Will what are you taking? 1:00:45.600 --> 1:00:47.360 There are a lot and yeah, I mean lots of 1:00:47.520 --> 1:00:49.920 we I think this has been a common theme throughout 1:00:49.920 --> 1:00:53.439 this but I gotta go with the fourteenth at Sheep 1:00:53.520 --> 1:00:57.760 Ranch that hogs back fairway. I mean we played it downwind. 1:00:57.880 --> 1:00:59.960 I think into the wind that would be an absolute 1:01:00.200 --> 1:01:04.160 bear of a hole. But as we played it, and 1:01:04.200 --> 1:01:06.360 as I think a lot of people would see it 1:01:06.360 --> 1:01:09.080 with the wind out of the north, that it's a 1:01:09.080 --> 1:01:12.960 par four that goes over this huge fairway mound and 1:01:13.000 --> 1:01:14.920 then once you cross it you get to see the 1:01:14.920 --> 1:01:18.680 ocean again. There's a really great green lying in the distance. 1:01:19.440 --> 1:01:21.160 I mean, it is just very dramatic. 1:01:21.600 --> 1:01:25.080 I mean, the feature in the fairways is huge. You 1:01:25.640 --> 1:01:27.680 have to hit it over like almost the peak of 1:01:27.720 --> 1:01:32.000 it too. It's not like a uniform mound per se. 1:01:32.320 --> 1:01:35.200 It kind of like goes up and it gets to 1:01:35.240 --> 1:01:37.720 the top, and then from the top it kind of 1:01:37.760 --> 1:01:41.400 has this like spine that runs down that you can 1:01:41.520 --> 1:01:44.240 ride this like, you know, it's like fifteen yards wide's 1:01:44.240 --> 1:01:47.360 spine down, but then on either side it kind of 1:01:47.400 --> 1:01:49.760 like cascades down to the right and to the left. 1:01:50.040 --> 1:01:54.360 It creates these blind approaches from side hill downhill lies 1:01:54.920 --> 1:01:59.200 semi blind approaches, and then it's to the screen. One 1:01:59.240 --> 1:02:01.600 of the neat things. This is a subtle thing. It's 1:02:01.640 --> 1:02:05.080 just the green is tilted from right to left. It 1:02:05.160 --> 1:02:11.000 really rewards those who take on the girth of the hill. 1:02:11.400 --> 1:02:15.960 Yeah. Absolutely fantastic hole, but really close to it, maybe 1:02:16.000 --> 1:02:18.560 surpassing it would be the fourteenth hole at Old Mac 1:02:19.320 --> 1:02:22.760 the Maiden Hole, though it's not really the Maiden Hole 1:02:22.840 --> 1:02:25.880 as you would understand it from Royal Saint George's. 1:02:26.000 --> 1:02:28.280 Well, this maiden Green just got the Maiden Green. 1:02:28.640 --> 1:02:30.120 So could you describe a maiden green. 1:02:30.200 --> 1:02:32.680 Yeah, it's almost like a double plateau. Oh my god, 1:02:32.720 --> 1:02:34.080 our a raccoon is back. 1:02:34.480 --> 1:02:37.200 Oh, a raccoon friend is back. So we're staying in 1:02:37.280 --> 1:02:41.720 a cottage here at Bandon Dunes, and last night a 1:02:41.800 --> 1:02:44.880 raccoon came and visited us and he's not scared of 1:02:44.960 --> 1:02:46.760 us at all back. 1:02:47.240 --> 1:02:48.840 In fact, I think he wants to be our friend. 1:02:50.120 --> 1:02:51.720 He doesn't look friendly to me. 1:02:51.800 --> 1:02:53.760 Well, yeah, he doesn't at all. 1:02:53.840 --> 1:02:55.080 Well we don't know that, Karen. 1:02:55.160 --> 1:02:56.600 He looks like he wants to fight. 1:02:58.080 --> 1:02:58.600 Anyways. 1:02:59.160 --> 1:03:03.320 The maiden hall, the main it's like a double plateau, 1:03:03.440 --> 1:03:07.960 but there's almost like a slit in the middle, and 1:03:08.000 --> 1:03:11.600 then it's like a low front with two high backside 1:03:11.880 --> 1:03:12.560 back parts. 1:03:12.960 --> 1:03:17.560 Well, what's your honorable mention? Well old Mac for sure, okay, 1:03:17.680 --> 1:03:20.480 but but you oh so yeah. Actually the discussion is 1:03:20.480 --> 1:03:23.480 over the winner here, so you'd say Sheep Ranch winner. 1:03:23.680 --> 1:03:28.520 I think, yes, I'll go with that. I'll go with 1:03:28.560 --> 1:03:30.360 a flow on that. I think the fourteenth that sheep 1:03:30.400 --> 1:03:34.520 Ranches is really fantastic. Yeah, but I could easily be 1:03:34.600 --> 1:03:37.960 convinced to flip those two. The fourteenth the trails we 1:03:37.960 --> 1:03:41.480 should mention is that that's one of the most discussed 1:03:41.520 --> 1:03:46.040 holes at the Bandon Dunes Resort, Big Downhill short part four, 1:03:47.120 --> 1:03:49.919 where if you don't stay up to the left, you're 1:03:50.000 --> 1:03:56.880 basically dead for the rest of the hole. Yeah. Yeah, that. 1:03:58.480 --> 1:03:59.960 Hole got me full time. 1:04:01.040 --> 1:04:03.360 Very difficult to stay left on that hole, but you 1:04:03.760 --> 1:04:05.640 have to do it or you're just. 1:04:05.680 --> 1:04:10.240 Well it left, you're not out of the woods. That's 1:04:10.280 --> 1:04:12.400 where I made a mess of it last time. Was 1:04:12.600 --> 1:04:15.680 the perfect spot. You can still miss the green with 1:04:15.720 --> 1:04:17.040 a thirty yard pitch. 1:04:17.280 --> 1:04:19.080 That green is incredibly hard to hit. 1:04:19.360 --> 1:04:25.320 Yeah, yeah, it's uh so fifteen I'm going with abandoned trails. 1:04:25.080 --> 1:04:28.760 It's got this center line bunker. It's a huge bunker 1:04:29.040 --> 1:04:32.280 that you have to play short of or play left of, 1:04:32.720 --> 1:04:35.320 and then it opens up to probably the best, one 1:04:35.320 --> 1:04:38.560 of the best green sites on property. Sending into this hill. 1:04:38.640 --> 1:04:42.800 This wildly undulating green has got these bunkers on the right, 1:04:43.000 --> 1:04:46.040 and for some reason, the ball just goes right there. 1:04:46.880 --> 1:04:50.360 It just like it's like a gravitational pull, like you 1:04:50.560 --> 1:04:53.320 just hit the ball into the right gunk. 1:04:53.800 --> 1:04:54.439 Every time. 1:04:54.560 --> 1:04:57.240 I just feel like the ball just goes right there. 1:04:57.600 --> 1:05:01.000 You know certain holes, you know, you just hit it there. 1:05:01.280 --> 1:05:03.640 But that green site, it just sits up in this 1:05:03.800 --> 1:05:07.680 like kind of little pocket right before this big kind 1:05:07.720 --> 1:05:08.120 of hill. 1:05:08.720 --> 1:05:11.480 The orientation of it is kind of like five at 1:05:11.520 --> 1:05:14.600 Pacific too. Just imp squeeze in between those dunes and 1:05:14.680 --> 1:05:15.560 narrows in the back. 1:05:16.040 --> 1:05:18.320 I mean, it is a really cool place for a green. 1:05:19.280 --> 1:05:20.040 Honorable mention. 1:05:20.800 --> 1:05:23.360 I think sheep Ranch short part four of the place 1:05:23.400 --> 1:05:24.760 straight to the ocean. 1:05:25.040 --> 1:05:27.240 That's what I have too. Are there are there any 1:05:27.320 --> 1:05:29.280 other convincing options? 1:05:29.760 --> 1:05:32.040 I don't think any other ones are as strong as 1:05:32.080 --> 1:05:35.160 those two. I mean the part as for as short 1:05:35.200 --> 1:05:36.680 as it is when the wind is into you, it 1:05:36.760 --> 1:05:39.880 plays rather long. I mean, even if you bust a 1:05:40.000 --> 1:05:42.800 drive out there, you're gonna have at least a half 1:05:42.880 --> 1:05:45.880 wedge in there, and that green you don't necessarily want 1:05:45.880 --> 1:05:48.320 to have a half wedge into the wind because you're 1:05:48.360 --> 1:05:50.360 gonna spin it all the way down that hill. 1:05:50.720 --> 1:05:53.160 The green itself is just delightful. 1:05:53.320 --> 1:05:53.560 You know. 1:05:54.400 --> 1:05:59.040 It has those back two back plateaus that you're talking about, 1:05:59.840 --> 1:06:02.080 and then in the front section of the green, it 1:06:02.240 --> 1:06:05.080 just has this little spine that runs right through the 1:06:05.120 --> 1:06:07.240 middle of it. Yeah, it's it's a big spine. It's 1:06:07.280 --> 1:06:09.760 a little compared to the to the shelves at the back, 1:06:09.840 --> 1:06:13.720 but it's it's substantial and you can put a pin 1:06:13.840 --> 1:06:16.680 on either side of that, and if you're putting over it, 1:06:16.680 --> 1:06:20.520 it's it's a tough, tough lag putt, but just a 1:06:20.520 --> 1:06:22.640 really cool green to look at, one of those ones 1:06:22.640 --> 1:06:24.400 that you just want to walk around and kind of 1:06:24.600 --> 1:06:26.800 smile at for a few minutes. It makes you want 1:06:26.840 --> 1:06:30.320 to put sixteen. I'm going, I'm going, I have to 1:06:30.320 --> 1:06:32.840 go abandon. I have to. It's a it's a completely 1:06:33.400 --> 1:06:37.120 iconic golf hole and it holds up. It's wonderful to 1:06:37.160 --> 1:06:41.400 play par four running along the ocean in the most 1:06:41.400 --> 1:06:45.280 common wind. It's it's downwind and you just have this 1:06:45.280 --> 1:06:49.240 this huge kind of scab running across the fairway. Now, 1:06:49.360 --> 1:06:54.000 bunkers used to be more gorsy, running diagonally up to 1:06:54.560 --> 1:06:56.760 a green that's perched on the edge of the cliff. 1:06:57.440 --> 1:06:59.800 When you're on that green, like you have to pay 1:06:59.800 --> 1:07:02.960 it to the wind there and it just throws a 1:07:02.960 --> 1:07:05.640 whole wrench into you. Think you've hit a good webshot 1:07:05.880 --> 1:07:08.760 or even if you're fifteen feet away like you now 1:07:08.840 --> 1:07:10.240 need to execute and get this. 1:07:10.240 --> 1:07:10.800 Ball in the hole. 1:07:11.320 --> 1:07:15.120 Yeah, I think I go, I lean towards sixteen. I 1:07:15.160 --> 1:07:18.880 think sixteen at Old Mac deserves some mention here. It 1:07:18.960 --> 1:07:24.560 is a incredible alpshole. I mean that is a jaw 1:07:24.640 --> 1:07:28.920 dropping hole. The golf hole is a big par four 1:07:29.360 --> 1:07:34.040 plays downhill off the tee. The left side is completely blind, 1:07:34.080 --> 1:07:37.800 the right side can't is bunkered, but it can give 1:07:37.840 --> 1:07:40.840 you a look at certain pins and you don't know 1:07:40.840 --> 1:07:43.880 where the pin is on the tee. And the right 1:07:43.920 --> 1:07:46.760 side of the hole is set on the dune ridge 1:07:46.800 --> 1:07:51.040 that cuts across the entire property, really abandoned. And then 1:07:51.120 --> 1:07:54.120 the left side is the dune ridge that sits along 1:07:54.160 --> 1:07:58.800 the ocean, and it's just an that's an amazing hole. 1:07:59.200 --> 1:08:01.280 It's an amazing green and the. 1:08:03.280 --> 1:08:06.720 Enormity of the of the hill that you have to 1:08:06.800 --> 1:08:09.040 hit over, it's just incredible. 1:08:09.160 --> 1:08:11.800 That hole is a world class hole. 1:08:12.240 --> 1:08:15.040 And I mean the sixteenth it's sheep ranch is an 1:08:15.040 --> 1:08:17.479 incredible Part three. I mean, how can you not love 1:08:17.560 --> 1:08:21.760 that hole. I mean, the waves are crashing, it's a 1:08:22.400 --> 1:08:25.720 it's a one of you know, like just a absolute 1:08:26.200 --> 1:08:28.400 incredible I love that green too. 1:08:28.600 --> 1:08:30.439 The simplicity is kind of like a. 1:08:30.360 --> 1:08:33.680 Maxwell roll right in the middle of it and it 1:08:33.800 --> 1:08:35.799 just sits there right on that point. 1:08:36.479 --> 1:08:37.080 Seventeen. 1:08:37.280 --> 1:08:40.160 Are we to seventeenth? I think every single seventeenth hole 1:08:40.240 --> 1:08:41.759 is good, very strong. 1:08:42.080 --> 1:08:45.760 Yeah, this is a very very difficult one to pick from. 1:08:45.920 --> 1:08:49.160 Where would you go, Well, I mean it's cheap ranch 1:08:49.160 --> 1:08:52.640 for me, Like, despite how strong, really all five of 1:08:52.680 --> 1:08:57.120 them are the T shot depending I guess there's a 1:08:57.160 --> 1:09:00.400 tea right off the sixteenth green, a cheap ranch that 1:09:00.840 --> 1:09:04.720 really forces you to take that cliff on you have 1:09:04.800 --> 1:09:08.400 no choice. Yeah, the hitting over the cliff, I mean, 1:09:08.560 --> 1:09:10.760 and you're hitting up the cliff, that's the other thing. 1:09:10.760 --> 1:09:13.439 I mean six also hits over the cliff, but you're 1:09:13.479 --> 1:09:16.840 not going up as severely. But from the other te'es, 1:09:16.920 --> 1:09:18.800 I think you have a little gentler of a shot, 1:09:19.200 --> 1:09:22.840 but you still have I mean literally the continent of 1:09:22.880 --> 1:09:26.280 the United States of North America to your right, and 1:09:26.320 --> 1:09:28.200 then there's just the ocean left. 1:09:28.240 --> 1:09:29.960 But it is a remarkable shot. 1:09:30.040 --> 1:09:33.040 And then the second shot into that green, like you 1:09:33.600 --> 1:09:35.559 can bail as far right on the T shot as 1:09:35.560 --> 1:09:38.160 you want. But then kind of similar to thirteen oh Pacific, 1:09:38.479 --> 1:09:40.400 now the ocean is very much on play again. 1:09:40.640 --> 1:09:41.240 The trees. 1:09:41.479 --> 1:09:43.880 The dead trees are so cool in that hole in 1:09:43.880 --> 1:09:46.400 the green where it sits like with the dead trees 1:09:46.479 --> 1:09:49.040 around it, and then the green has this like kind 1:09:49.040 --> 1:09:53.040 of channel that runs through diagonally across it. It's it's 1:09:53.080 --> 1:09:56.280 a really brilliant hole. And one of the things that's 1:09:56.360 --> 1:10:00.000 underrated about it is like there are some really subtle, 1:10:00.000 --> 1:10:03.200 little neat fairway contours in the fairway. 1:10:03.320 --> 1:10:05.960 It's not a flat fairway. It's not like a pancake. 1:10:07.439 --> 1:10:11.320 I would go with the seventeenth a sheep ranch too, 1:10:11.360 --> 1:10:14.800 And then you know, for an honorable mention, there are 1:10:14.800 --> 1:10:17.360 a lot of choices here, and I think I would 1:10:17.400 --> 1:10:21.200 go with bandon seventeenth. I like that whole lot. I 1:10:21.320 --> 1:10:24.920 love that it incorporates the canyon. I wish the eighteenth 1:10:25.040 --> 1:10:29.280 incorporated the canyon more. I think that was definitely Yeah. 1:10:29.400 --> 1:10:32.360 I think the seventeenth. That green is really neat. It's 1:10:32.400 --> 1:10:35.799 a long, narrow green that's set right on the canyon. 1:10:36.760 --> 1:10:38.719 If you play your t shot up the right side, 1:10:38.720 --> 1:10:40.559 do you have a really nice shot into there. 1:10:40.920 --> 1:10:42.880 But if you play up the left, just like the 1:10:43.080 --> 1:10:43.439 what we. 1:10:43.439 --> 1:10:46.800 Talked about with the thirteenth at Pacific Dunes, you have 1:10:46.880 --> 1:10:49.080 to take on kind of the canyon and in your 1:10:49.120 --> 1:10:50.439 shot pattern. 1:10:51.040 --> 1:10:53.960 Yeah, you know, I think i'd I have to go 1:10:54.040 --> 1:10:56.080 with the seventeenth a sheep ranch too, but I'm not 1:10:56.280 --> 1:11:00.320 totally happy about it. I do think the seventeen that 1:11:00.479 --> 1:11:05.320 Bandon is sensational, maybe underrated, you know, because it comes 1:11:05.439 --> 1:11:07.559 right after the sixteenth, which is iconic. 1:11:08.360 --> 1:11:11.000 It's the best hole on the Bandon property. It's it's 1:11:11.040 --> 1:11:13.880 so good, and I think it would be sixteen or 1:11:13.920 --> 1:11:14.799 that it's. 1:11:14.640 --> 1:11:16.679 It's maybe maybe you can say it's like the best 1:11:16.680 --> 1:11:20.599 design hole at Bandon Dunes, because it might be. It 1:11:20.720 --> 1:11:26.560 just uses the ravine to perfection and the green is fantastic. 1:11:27.400 --> 1:11:31.760 So the other reason I'm unhappy with with having to 1:11:31.840 --> 1:11:34.560 choose one hole is that there are two great options 1:11:34.600 --> 1:11:38.679 for a par three seventeenth. The seventeenth Abandoned Trails, which 1:11:38.720 --> 1:11:43.519 is just absolutely gorgeous in the same way that five is, 1:11:43.920 --> 1:11:48.439 but maybe more so, and then the seventeenth at Pacific Dunes, 1:11:49.439 --> 1:11:53.320 which is suddenly revealed to you as you go up 1:11:53.360 --> 1:11:58.040 from the sixteenth green and is a Redan like but 1:11:58.200 --> 1:12:03.120 not really a Radan whole. It's its own thing, but beautiful. 1:12:03.360 --> 1:12:06.920 Part three. Are we on to eighteen. Yeah, so the opposite. 1:12:07.200 --> 1:12:11.920 Yeah again, week week choices. I don't I really don't 1:12:11.960 --> 1:12:15.400 know what to do here. I don't think that there's a 1:12:15.439 --> 1:12:16.240 great one. 1:12:16.400 --> 1:12:17.800 It's a it's a it's Old Mac. 1:12:18.479 --> 1:12:20.320 Yeah, oh yeah, it is Old Mac. 1:12:20.760 --> 1:12:21.840 That's a really good hole. 1:12:22.000 --> 1:12:25.800 Yeah yeah, Old Mac is without a doubt, the best 1:12:25.840 --> 1:12:27.559 fall best eighteenth hole. 1:12:27.800 --> 1:12:30.000 Yeah, it's a it's an absolute trouncing. 1:12:30.520 --> 1:12:34.479 Yeah, long par four. Hey, look at that. 1:12:34.800 --> 1:12:38.839 We're we're part thirty five. We're seventy two parseeventy two. 1:12:39.000 --> 1:12:40.519 With like two par three's. 1:12:41.120 --> 1:12:44.120 No, like Saint Andrews one, there's no part fives in 1:12:44.160 --> 1:12:44.439 the back? 1:12:44.479 --> 1:12:44.679 Wait? 1:12:44.720 --> 1:12:47.120 Were there only one par part three? 1:12:47.240 --> 1:12:48.799 There was only one Part three one. 1:12:48.680 --> 1:12:49.880 Part three one part five? 1:12:50.040 --> 1:12:54.760 No, no, no, no no. We did eleven at Pacific Dunes, right, yeah, 1:12:54.760 --> 1:12:57.519 then we did twelve Abandoned. Oh yeah, so we have 1:12:58.080 --> 1:12:59.519 three we have back to back. 1:12:59.400 --> 1:13:01.639 For three par seventy one. 1:13:01.880 --> 1:13:05.000 Well, if we use the Sheep Ranch model, then eighteen 1:13:05.000 --> 1:13:06.280 at Old Mac is a part five. 1:13:06.479 --> 1:13:16.200 Yeah, eighteen eighteen and Old Mac punch Bowl Awesome. 1:13:16.680 --> 1:13:18.320 It's almost a double punching ball. 1:13:18.680 --> 1:13:23.240 Yeah. It's like this little room with three different doors 1:13:23.240 --> 1:13:25.480 that go into it. One of the doors goes out 1:13:25.760 --> 1:13:31.679 toward the clubhouse, but there is a right gap between 1:13:32.040 --> 1:13:35.400 the mounds that surround the green, and there's a left gap, 1:13:35.720 --> 1:13:37.760 and I think you really could run it up through 1:13:37.760 --> 1:13:43.280 that left gap and down the slope toward a right pin. Now, 1:13:43.280 --> 1:13:46.479 I've only seen the pin on the right. I honestly 1:13:46.520 --> 1:13:50.040 don't know if they regularly put pins up on the 1:13:50.120 --> 1:13:52.600 left or if they even can, but it seems like 1:13:53.120 --> 1:13:55.200 the main thing is to have the pin down to 1:13:55.280 --> 1:13:58.439 the right and to offer that opportunity to kind of 1:13:58.840 --> 1:14:04.280 sling it around the right entrance down to those right 1:14:04.320 --> 1:14:06.400 pin locations, which are really cool. 1:14:06.600 --> 1:14:08.599 Yeah, And I mean that gap that you're talking about 1:14:08.640 --> 1:14:11.400 in the mounds is just such a cool little window 1:14:11.560 --> 1:14:13.880 as your water. You're say, you hit the ball on 1:14:13.960 --> 1:14:15.920 the left edge of the green and it's cutting, and 1:14:15.960 --> 1:14:18.439 you just it goes behind that mound and you're just 1:14:18.479 --> 1:14:20.920 waiting for it to come into the window to that 1:14:21.000 --> 1:14:23.599 right pin, and if it doesn't come, then you know, 1:14:23.640 --> 1:14:26.320 you got a really tough two putt. But if it does, 1:14:26.360 --> 1:14:28.000 then all of a sudden you're looking at Birdie on 1:14:28.040 --> 1:14:30.120 what's a very long, difficult part for. 1:14:30.520 --> 1:14:33.760 Yeah, Yeah, for sure, it's a great hole, but we're 1:14:33.800 --> 1:14:37.599 mentioning the other ones. You know, in general, the eighteenth 1:14:37.640 --> 1:14:40.559 holes that at abandoned Dunes are not up to the 1:14:40.640 --> 1:14:42.280 level of the rest of them. 1:14:42.600 --> 1:14:43.400 Honorable mention. 1:14:44.160 --> 1:14:47.400 Yeah, that's the that's the difficulty. I think. 1:14:47.439 --> 1:14:51.160 I go trails trails, Yeah. 1:14:50.120 --> 1:14:53.840 Yeah, I don't know. You know, the drives kind of 1:14:53.880 --> 1:14:57.440 end up in similar spots. I guess it's great ground. 1:14:57.840 --> 1:14:58.960 It's really great ground. 1:15:00.160 --> 1:15:04.360 Eighteen packed Dunes is on great ground. I'm not a 1:15:04.360 --> 1:15:05.759 big huge fan of the green. 1:15:06.439 --> 1:15:08.400 I think we were talking about it earlier. I think 1:15:08.479 --> 1:15:11.120 if that bunker on the left off the tee at 1:15:11.240 --> 1:15:14.360 pac Dunes was more carriable and you got like a 1:15:14.400 --> 1:15:17.320 distinct advantage, that would make it a really cool Part five. 1:15:18.439 --> 1:15:20.120 Is sheep ranch? Should you know? 1:15:20.800 --> 1:15:20.920 No? 1:15:21.080 --> 1:15:24.880 Decent? You don't. You don't like it's a part four five? Yeah, 1:15:24.960 --> 1:15:27.360 I mean, is that the main problem with it? 1:15:26.560 --> 1:15:28.160 It's a cool hole. 1:15:29.240 --> 1:15:31.240 I feel like there's a big advantage for going up 1:15:31.280 --> 1:15:33.360 the left there. I think that's a neat hole. The 1:15:33.360 --> 1:15:34.880 greens really interesting. 1:15:35.400 --> 1:15:37.679 So this is these are not really honorable mentions. 1:15:37.720 --> 1:15:41.759 They are mentions there, so they're mentioned dishonorable mentions. 1:15:41.840 --> 1:15:47.280 We're mentioning we're mentioning the eighteenth of Sheep Ranch. Yeah, okay, 1:15:47.320 --> 1:15:49.840 eighteenth eighteenth the trails I can be convinced of that. 1:15:50.320 --> 1:15:54.280 We have mostly just to complete the dream eighteen, which 1:15:54.280 --> 1:15:54.920 we've just done. 1:15:55.280 --> 1:15:56.080 Yeah, it's over. 1:15:56.439 --> 1:15:59.240 I think one thing I wanted to talk about just 1:15:59.280 --> 1:16:01.639 in general, that I should have talked about at the top. 1:16:02.320 --> 1:16:06.400 The green speeds abandoned dunes are delightful. They are not fast, 1:16:06.680 --> 1:16:10.000 they're the right speed. I saw pins in places that 1:16:10.080 --> 1:16:13.280 I hadn't seen them like all year because the speeds 1:16:13.280 --> 1:16:16.320 were right, Like on slopes that I had never seen. 1:16:16.560 --> 1:16:19.640 You know, I had putch just ripping across holes that 1:16:19.760 --> 1:16:25.519 made putting really really difficult. The green speeds at bandoned 1:16:25.600 --> 1:16:28.800 dunes is what every club should be striving for. 1:16:29.479 --> 1:16:32.920 Yeah, all right, Well they'll wrap it up. 1:16:33.000 --> 1:16:36.559 We'll be back with we'll have debriefs on every course 1:16:37.479 --> 1:16:40.920 in the coming weeks. And it's been just a delightful 1:16:41.280 --> 1:16:42.840 week here, really fun. 1:16:53.680 --> 1:16:57.840 Today's podcast was edited by Meg Atkins. Thank you Meg. 1:16:58.120 --> 1:17:01.000 This was probably a heavier lift than normal because we 1:17:01.360 --> 1:17:05.320 babbled for a long time about these golf holes. As 1:17:05.360 --> 1:17:08.559 a quick reminder, the FRIDAYGG Shop is having a Black 1:17:08.600 --> 1:17:11.639 Friday Sale. Today is the last day of Black Friday, 1:17:11.680 --> 1:17:15.960 Cyber Monday, Today's Tuesday. Today's the last day. 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