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Speaker 1: We're back another episode of the Friday Podcast. I'm here
Speaker 1: with Garrett Morrison and Will Knights. We're in Bandon. We're
Speaker 1: in our little humble abode here at Bandon Dunes. It's
Speaker 1: not ours, it's the but after a long week, an
Speaker 1: exhausting week, six days of golf, six days of shooting
Speaker 1: footage and lots of talk about the golf courses, we
Speaker 1: played all the golf courses. We didn't play trails or
Speaker 1: play preserve. My bad on that we did not play preserve.
Speaker 3: We played trails twice.
Speaker 1: We did play trails twice and yeah, so we thought
Speaker 1: it would be a fun little exercise. We'll do debriefs
Speaker 1: on every golf course. But we came up with our
Speaker 1: so called dream eighteen from the properties and we figured
Speaker 1: this would be a really neat way to go through
Speaker 1: each course. In general, at a high level is going
Speaker 1: through some of the best holes. So we're going to
Speaker 1: do an honorable mention and a winner for the Dream eighteen.
Speaker 1: We might be a little light on par threes, it
Speaker 1: sounds like, which is crazy given how many good par
Speaker 1: threes there are here. We're gonna have a go at it,
Speaker 1: you guys, just kick things off. Any general impressions from
Speaker 1: the week here at Bandon, I.
Speaker 4: Think we should level set on the conditions we were playing.
Speaker 4: It is November, so the golf courses were a little
Speaker 4: softer than they could be, just as a note to
Speaker 4: keep that in mind during this ranking. But I think
Speaker 4: as we were going through this, we kept in mind
Speaker 4: how they would play in different conditions too.
Speaker 3: That was Will, by the way, and I will so yes,
Speaker 3: I mean we and we played in very different conditions
Speaker 3: on this trip. The first day we played was at
Speaker 3: Trails and it was essentially a monsoon.
Speaker 1: It was like the worst conditions I've ever played golfing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, these guys were all saying it was the worst conditions.
Speaker 3: The caddies were a little bit knocked off kilter as well,
Speaker 3: even though both of them have been here for two
Speaker 3: decades each.
Speaker 1: And you know, big ups to Brooks and Casey are
Speaker 1: caddies awesome guys.
Speaker 3: Absolutely fantastic yeaddies, amazing.
Speaker 2: Both been here for like about twenty years each.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just the best guys. So we had a great
Speaker 3: time with them, and they stuck with us through the
Speaker 3: really difficult conditions at trails on the first day, and
Speaker 3: then we just played it today our last day abandon
Speaker 3: in beautiful weather. So we got a true sample of
Speaker 3: what this area can throw at you, which is some
Speaker 3: really unpredictable, contrasting weather.
Speaker 2: All right, so let's kick this off.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Dream eighteen. Whole one should we start with? Will
Speaker 3: Number one is Sheep Ranch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a christ for me.
Speaker 1: I think that's it's an incredible hole, sweeping kind of
Speaker 1: dog leg left down the hill, and I mean it
Speaker 1: just hits you right in the face with what you
Speaker 1: see all day long. And Sheep Ranch the ocean, and
Speaker 1: I think, like beyond just the ocean, it's a really
Speaker 1: fun opening hole.
Speaker 3: There's a great reveal. I mean you do see the
Speaker 3: ocean and most of the property when you walk into
Speaker 3: the Sheep Ranch Clubhouse, like there's a big view of
Speaker 3: the whole course.
Speaker 5: But when you.
Speaker 3: Start one, it's a little bit blind, it's a little
Speaker 3: bit concealed, and you walk over the crest in the
Speaker 3: fair way around I don't know what two hundred and
Speaker 3: fifty yards or so, and you see it all spread
Speaker 3: before you, and it's just a great dramatic way to
Speaker 3: open the round. And it's it's an easy hole, right,
Speaker 3: it's a gentle handshake.
Speaker 1: Things I like about it, like if you go up
Speaker 1: the left side, you get a big kick, but you've
Speaker 1: got some danger with the trees there. You could easily
Speaker 1: hit a ball into them. But if you hit it
Speaker 1: up that left side, you get really rewarded because your
Speaker 1: ball is going to go further. And then you get
Speaker 1: the helping contours at the green, like the green slopes
Speaker 1: from right to left, and it just is a much
Speaker 1: easier shot than if you're over on the right side.
Speaker 4: And it does still have some internal contour too, so
Speaker 4: it's not like it's a gimme birdie. But yeah, it's
Speaker 4: something that if you hit two good shots, you're setting
Speaker 4: yourself up for the start year round in a good way.
Speaker 1: What's the honorable mention? Second best first hole? I've got
Speaker 1: Packed Dunes as mine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Pacific Dunes is a good choice for that. I
Speaker 3: think that Old Mac is a good choice as well.
Speaker 3: The double Plateau hole, Yeah, just such a cold green
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, the drive is you can hit
Speaker 3: it pretty much anywhere, but you want to be really
Speaker 3: in the right position to hit an approach into the green,
Speaker 3: especially if the pin is up on one of those plateaus,
Speaker 3: either front left or back right.
Speaker 4: It sounded like from our caddies that the back right
Speaker 4: plateau isn't used all that much, which is unfortunate because
Speaker 4: it is, it's pretty small. It would make for a
Speaker 4: very interesting opening wedshot.
Speaker 1: I think maybe the best ground for a first hole
Speaker 1: is Packed Dunes because it's in the really like, kind
Speaker 1: of choppy part of the golf course. That's where the
Speaker 1: clubhouse kind of sits back on the dune ridge, and
Speaker 1: that dune ridge has really good land right inside of it.
Speaker 1: Will you're the deciding vote, which one you got Old Mac.
Speaker 2: Or Packed in?
Speaker 4: It has to be one honorable mention. Yeah, it has
Speaker 4: to be one cool honorable mention. I also had Pacific
Speaker 4: on my list.
Speaker 2: Wow, oh man, Garrett loses out.
Speaker 3: It's all right, I love I love one at Packed Dunes. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna argue that one too much,
Speaker 3: all right.
Speaker 2: Second hole?
Speaker 3: Yeah, are you going to go first? On the Andes?
Speaker 3: Andy is it is it Will and I. We've got
Speaker 3: Will and I have our computers in front of us. Andy.
Speaker 3: Andy's winging it.
Speaker 4: Andy's the judge, jury, and executioner over there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess so well. For for the second hole
Speaker 3: of the Dream eighteen, I have Pacific Dunes, just a
Speaker 3: fantastic part four center line bunker separates the high right
Speaker 3: side of the fairway from the low left side of
Speaker 3: the fairway, and depending on the pin position, you'll want
Speaker 3: to be on either level. In addition to that, from
Speaker 3: the tee you can see some of the rest of
Speaker 3: the course behind the green. There's a nice little reveal
Speaker 3: that happens when you walk up from the first green
Speaker 3: to the second tee, and I just think that's that's
Speaker 3: a cool hole and a fantastic green that you really
Speaker 3: only you only see the full proportions of the green
Speaker 3: once you get behind it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I also had Pacific. I think we're
Speaker 4: all in agreement there. But what I love about the
Speaker 4: opening two holes there is that they're both.
Speaker 5: Short par fours.
Speaker 4: In general, when with a southern wind you have driver
Speaker 4: wedge pretty much, but within winds coming out of the north,
Speaker 4: those short holes play a lot longer and those interesting
Speaker 4: greens become even more difficult to traverse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's a great hole, I think. You know,
Speaker 1: I really like sheep Ranch's second hole. I think that's
Speaker 1: like really clever, but I don't think it's at the
Speaker 1: same level. It just doesn't have the topographical interests of
Speaker 1: the second hole at Pacific.
Speaker 5: You know, I think.
Speaker 1: Trail's second hole of the part three downhill is really
Speaker 1: really a neat hole as well.
Speaker 2: And then Old Mac the eden is I.
Speaker 1: Think that's probably my honorable mention is the second Atuld Mac.
Speaker 2: It's that that is, you know.
Speaker 1: I think most American eden holes are are a huge
Speaker 1: disappointment on Rainer MacDonald courses. I think they're oftentimes the
Speaker 1: weakest holes at these really great golf courses. And at
Speaker 1: Old Mac, I think that second hole is one of
Speaker 1: the strongest holes because of the green. It's no nothing land,
Speaker 1: but that green is is really wild and fun.
Speaker 2: So I think that's my honorable mention mine as well.
Speaker 3: Yep, I had that one too. Sounds like we're in agreement.
Speaker 2: It was easy third hole.
Speaker 1: Moving on, there's a lot of good third holes out there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think three and four or we might even
Speaker 4: differ in opinion here. I'll start it off with My
Speaker 4: third is definitely Old Mac. That par four up over
Speaker 4: the dune is just incredible.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, it's a neat hole, I think, one that
Speaker 1: you have to consider as well as the third at Trails. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's part of it is like just the wow of
Speaker 1: the t shot when you're walking off of the second
Speaker 1: hole at at at Trails it is it's just an
Speaker 1: amazing reveal. And then just the green I really loved
Speaker 1: the green back there in the in the woods, like
Speaker 1: kind of back in the trees, and it's got that
Speaker 1: back and right side that run off. I think like
Speaker 1: it's in the shade so much that you sometimes like
Speaker 1: miss it and you're so wowed by like just the
Speaker 1: surroundings of that meadow that you don't really pay that
Speaker 1: much attention to it. But it's a really clever green
Speaker 1: back there, So I like that whole. I mean three
Speaker 1: at Pacific Tunes is an amazing hole too, That's one.
Speaker 3: Of the another part five. I mean there's a lot
Speaker 3: of parallels between three at Pacific Dunes and three at Trails.
Speaker 3: There are similar part fives in the sense that the
Speaker 3: big wide fairways and some center line bunkers that that
Speaker 3: ask you some questions along the way.
Speaker 2: So what are you what's your your number one?
Speaker 3: I'm totally vacillating between three at Trails and three at
Speaker 3: Old Mac. I mean, just to describe what three at
Speaker 3: Old McDonald is. You tee off from the inland side
Speaker 3: of this huge dune ridge and you're literally just hitting
Speaker 3: right over the dune ridge just to the right of
Speaker 3: the huge ghost or left or left like if if
Speaker 3: the t position uh demands that. Yeah, so that is
Speaker 3: a possibility.
Speaker 1: It's a center line tree dead tree.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it's great and and some people would be
Speaker 3: would be fans of that, I guess I don't think. No,
Speaker 3: I know JT hates the ghost tree, but uh, but
Speaker 3: it's just really fun walking up it and then and
Speaker 3: then seeing the rest of the course unfold in front
Speaker 3: of you and then finding your ball on the other side.
Speaker 3: It's pretty forgiving, like there's not too much trouble on
Speaker 3: the other side except for a bunker always out on
Speaker 3: the right. And so like, I like, I like that
Speaker 3: hole because how dramatic it is. It's got a great
Speaker 3: green But three at Trails is really a fun strategic
Speaker 3: hole that you could play a bunch of different ways.
Speaker 3: You know, you could zig zag your way down that
Speaker 3: fair way in any number of ways. And I think
Speaker 3: I just have I have to give it to Trails.
Speaker 1: Wow, I'm the ext I'm the I'm the vote, you're
Speaker 1: the deciderbreaker, the decider. Well, we already have a par
Speaker 1: five and uh, I like other par fives and and
Speaker 1: you know I'm as.
Speaker 2: A I'm gonna go with three at uh at Old.
Speaker 3: Mac overrolled again.
Speaker 2: But my honorable mention is Trails.
Speaker 3: But one of them is the honorable mention.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: I think that three at Old Mac three and Old
Speaker 1: Mac reminds me a little bit of two at National
Speaker 1: Golf Links of America. Like it's got a similar thing
Speaker 1: where you have to hit it uncomfortably left, like you're
Speaker 1: just like you want to hang it right, but then
Speaker 1: you run out of space and you tumble down into
Speaker 1: like kind of a bad spot. And they're both like
Speaker 1: you can get it up by the green if you're.
Speaker 2: In the right wind.
Speaker 1: With with Old Mac, you can get it, you know,
Speaker 1: on the green at National Nationally you have to push
Speaker 1: it up by the windmill. Here you have to push
Speaker 1: it up by the ghost tree. It's a really and
Speaker 1: it's got that same massive landforms. All right, So fourth hole,
Speaker 1: I think most people will be expecting one.
Speaker 2: And I think it's going to go a different direction.
Speaker 3: If I had most people, most people would say Bandon
Speaker 3: Dune's four.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just don't think.
Speaker 3: Why not.
Speaker 1: I just you know, you hit it into this one
Speaker 1: spot and there's like this little neck that you hit
Speaker 1: it into, and the Yeah, I care about all these
Speaker 1: things that nobody else cares about. But the containment mounts
Speaker 1: on the left just make me want to vomit. And
Speaker 1: then the green site's really cool, but I just can't
Speaker 1: get over how how bad some of the shaping is
Speaker 1: around the around the hole.
Speaker 3: The green green itself is it's cool.
Speaker 2: Fun, Yeah, it's a fun.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just don't think in comparison to the other fourth holes.
Speaker 1: I think, like for me, it comes down to abandoned
Speaker 1: trails and old mac and and I guess Pacific Dunes.
Speaker 1: You can't not have Pacific Dunes on that list. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's the hard thing. Like I think the ocean
Speaker 1: is is really alluring and you want but the one
Speaker 1: of the things with Bandon Dunes, just in general, in
Speaker 1: the for the most part with it. There's some exceptions,
Speaker 1: but a lot of the whole, a lot of the
Speaker 1: land on the oceans the least interesting. And it just
Speaker 1: is the ocean creates this huge hazard that you have
Speaker 1: to avoid, which makes it really easy for strategy. And
Speaker 1: that's the fourth that at Pacific Dunes is a perfect
Speaker 1: example of that. Like if you play close to the water,
Speaker 1: you get a huge reward.
Speaker 2: If if you.
Speaker 1: Find yourself close to the water, you know, don't try
Speaker 1: and hit it up the right edge.
Speaker 3: You're saying that people shouldn't hit it at the ocean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I just try and hit a cut off
Speaker 1: the bunkers, Like that's what I do.
Speaker 3: But the the strategy is a sensitive topic.
Speaker 5: These days, exactly.
Speaker 3: But there are a lot of people who get very
Speaker 3: upset about proclamations about strategy exactly.
Speaker 1: But if you're if you find yourself on the right
Speaker 1: side there like the green, everything helps you. And then
Speaker 1: if you the more and more left you go, everything
Speaker 1: works away where it like will you you could barely
Speaker 1: hold the green or you didn't hold the green shot
Speaker 1: off the side.
Speaker 4: Because perfectly struck long iron hit the front left corner
Speaker 4: and shot all the way off the back.
Speaker 1: So that's like a perfect strategy hole, like, but it
Speaker 1: is a connector and there's not that much interesting stuff
Speaker 1: to topographically in the fairway. It's like very very flat,
Speaker 1: you know, and you play over a dune into the green.
Speaker 1: The green site's really good. But then you've got four
Speaker 1: at Bandon Trails and four at Old Mac that both
Speaker 1: have these like kind of jarring and breath taking hogs
Speaker 1: back fairways that cut most importantly diagonally across the fairway,
Speaker 1: which makes you know, playing over these huge and by
Speaker 1: what I mean by a hog's back fairway, it's a
Speaker 1: huge rise and it's like a hump, like a back
Speaker 1: of a hog as as you would it's a hump
Speaker 1: that cuts through the fairway.
Speaker 2: And these i'd say that.
Speaker 1: Are like thirty feet tall roughly, yeah, and these divide
Speaker 1: the fairway and they create like all this interest off
Speaker 1: the tee where it's blind where you're hitting too and
Speaker 1: you're having to pick a spot and you're having to
Speaker 1: really commit to it.
Speaker 2: And they both cut from left to right.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 1: The fourth at Old Mac is a long part four
Speaker 1: and the fourth Bandit Trails is a shorter part four.
Speaker 1: Both of them like the hogs back is perfectly placed,
Speaker 1: like where you have to hit a really good t
Speaker 1: shot to get over the right side, which is ideal
Speaker 1: in both cases. For the most part, I think I
Speaker 1: would lean towards the fourth at Old Mac.
Speaker 3: I'd agree with that. I'm going to go with the
Speaker 3: fourth at Old Mac, but going back for a second
Speaker 3: to the fourth hole at Pacific Dunes. The main thing
Speaker 3: I think working against that hole in this exercise and
Speaker 3: the Dream eteen exercise is the existence of the thirteenth
Speaker 3: hole at Pacific Dunes. You know, you compare those two
Speaker 3: holes and it's just sort of no contest. I mean,
Speaker 3: both of them occupy cliff side pieces of land, but
Speaker 3: thirteen has a bit more going for it.
Speaker 2: I'm changing my vote to trails.
Speaker 3: You just got influenced by Cameron, by the silent presence
Speaker 3: in this room. I saw Cameron give you the stare
Speaker 3: and wow, Wow, he's not going to be on the podcast, but.
Speaker 1: We talked about We've talked. I was Trails all the
Speaker 1: way till the moment. Yeah, I'm back on Trails. I'm
Speaker 1: not laying the spur of the moment decision.
Speaker 3: Okay, will what have you got?
Speaker 4: I also had Old Mac However, I think the after
Speaker 4: playing Trails again the second time today, Hey, no, and
Speaker 4: so the first time.
Speaker 3: And does Cameron have something on you guys?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 4: No, I love the fourth at Old Mac, but today
Speaker 4: I had a really squirrely drive on for Trails and I.
Speaker 5: Didn't get over that ridge.
Speaker 4: And seeing the difference on how it played on the
Speaker 4: left and how it played on the right, it really
Speaker 4: got to me and how cool and the emphasis on
Speaker 4: that drive.
Speaker 1: One of the things I think that is an advantage
Speaker 1: for Trails is that you know, just like in terms
Speaker 1: of if you get over, you're you're over, and you
Speaker 1: have a scoring opportunity.
Speaker 2: At Old Mac you.
Speaker 1: Get over or you're on the right, it's still like
Speaker 1: so frickin' hard.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's still a hard shot from the top of
Speaker 3: the hogs back, is what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, And
Speaker 3: and I like that. I think that's all right for me.
Speaker 3: The fourth at Trails is really dependent on the wind.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's that great of a hole into
Speaker 3: the wind, or I don't think it's as great of
Speaker 3: a hole as it was for us on this trip
Speaker 3: was did we We played it way up into the
Speaker 3: wind though, So you.
Speaker 2: Have to adjust the t position wouldn't matter.
Speaker 3: So I think that the fourth hole at Trails, that
Speaker 3: the strategic question that it asks is very dependent on
Speaker 3: your ability to hit it far enough to get over
Speaker 3: the ridge. Because I've played that in a wind where
Speaker 3: there was really no chance, I don't think so. I think,
Speaker 3: Old Mac, you can get on top of that hogs
Speaker 3: back with accuracy. That's really what it's about. It's not
Speaker 3: about hitting it super far. It's about, you know, hitting
Speaker 3: your drive accurately and staying on top of the hogs back.
Speaker 4: The interesting part about Ford, Old Mac is when you
Speaker 4: get up there after hitting your T shirt, you realize
Speaker 4: how much room is left. And so after I think
Speaker 4: I played before Garrett and I hit mine, and what
Speaker 4: I thought was the perfect spot, I was fifteen yards
Speaker 4: to the left of the hogs back, and our Caddie
Speaker 4: Brooks says to Gary, He's like, all right, I want
Speaker 4: you twenty yards left of that point. And when you
Speaker 4: get up there and you realize I mean you, I mean,
Speaker 4: you hit an awesome drive up there too. But there
Speaker 4: is a good amount of visual intimidation and deception going
Speaker 4: on there where you think there's not much room up there.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, the The enormity of Old Mac is on
Speaker 1: full display on the fourth hole. Like that, that is
Speaker 1: just a huge golf course.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we might have talked ourselves into Old Mac here.
Speaker 3: And at the same time like that. That second shot
Speaker 3: I think is pretty fun. You can you can run
Speaker 3: it up to that green with your second shot. Uh
Speaker 3: through the left side.
Speaker 2: All right, well, we'll let you have it.
Speaker 3: Well, don't do it out of pity. I'm fine with
Speaker 3: being over.
Speaker 1: Year old Mac. It helps balance it. We've got some
Speaker 1: short par fours.
Speaker 3: What do you think, Cameron, it's a tie. He says,
Speaker 3: how diplomatic to the people. I think. I think it's
Speaker 3: pretty clear that Cameron likes four trails, which is, by
Speaker 3: the way, I'm not arguing that that's not an awesome hole.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 1: No. I like the balance it gives us. It gives
Speaker 1: us a long part four. We've got a couple of
Speaker 1: short part fours. It's a good, good added balance in there.
Speaker 1: All right on to five. Some good options for five
Speaker 1: mm hmm.
Speaker 5: Really good options for five.
Speaker 3: Yep. We've got the Old Mac shorthole, which has one
Speaker 3: of the most amazing greens that they'll ever see. You
Speaker 3: have the fifth at Trails, which has one of the
Speaker 3: most amazing greens you'll ever see. Both of those are
Speaker 3: par threes, short par threes, fairly short part threes that
Speaker 3: you know, big greens with just lots of different sections
Speaker 3: to them, lots of different places to put the pin.
Speaker 3: I think those are extremely different on different days because
Speaker 3: of the pin position. For me, though, the fifth at
Speaker 3: Bandon Dunes is an iconic ocean cliff side hole where
Speaker 3: the cliff side really isn't even the most important part
Speaker 3: of the whole. It's just about the kind of gradual
Speaker 3: narrowing of the fair away from a fairly wide landing
Speaker 3: zone on the drive, and it just gradually kind of
Speaker 3: chokes and chokes and chokes until you get to a
Speaker 3: pretty narrow green site with hazards all around. The dunes
Speaker 3: are great there. You know that that shaping that you
Speaker 3: talked about on the fourth hole, the containment mounting along
Speaker 3: the left side, Suddenly that's absent here. You're in a
Speaker 3: much more natural looking environment. I'd have a hard time
Speaker 3: not giving it to that one.
Speaker 4: Uh complete agreement Bandon. I mean we played it dead
Speaker 4: downwind on a really windy day, and that choke point
Speaker 4: at the end of the fairway was very much in play.
Speaker 4: I mean we all tried to lay back and me
Speaker 4: and Andy still got really close to that choke point.
Speaker 2: On I mean, no, I had mine way right. Oh,
Speaker 2: that's the fans going.
Speaker 4: But I mean I think into the wind that hole
Speaker 4: the the center line. I don't know if they're full
Speaker 4: bunkers or they're just tall grasses, but so intimidating gas. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and they mean they make you feel like you really
Speaker 4: need to hit it solid off that tea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really entices you to play left too, Like
Speaker 1: I found myself on that tee just wanting to bust
Speaker 1: it up the left side because it just like your
Speaker 1: eye draws there because of those little kind of I
Speaker 1: don't know exactly, like kind of clumpy mounds of native grass.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're almost like mini dunes or something in the
Speaker 3: middle of the fairway. And what what they do is
Speaker 3: that they they divide the hole into the left and
Speaker 3: right sides, and the left side is guarded by the ocean. Right,
Speaker 3: So you have you have those little dunesy things in
Speaker 3: the middle of the fairway, and you have that left route,
Speaker 3: then you have the right route. Obviously, it's it's much
Speaker 3: safer to bust it up the right. It's it's wider
Speaker 3: out there, there's plenty of room. But once you get
Speaker 3: out there, you look at that approach where it kind
Speaker 3: of narrows down into this into this you know, choked
Speaker 3: down green site, and you're thinking, I might need to
Speaker 3: lay back here, that this might not be worth it
Speaker 3: to push it all the way up to the hole.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and hitting a long iron into that green, if
Speaker 1: it's into the wind, would just be absolutely terrifying.
Speaker 3: Usually, yeah, usually this hole is playing into the wind.
Speaker 3: We didn't play it into the wind this week. I
Speaker 3: think you have different feelings about it when it's into
Speaker 3: the wind, very very hard.
Speaker 2: What's the honorable mention?
Speaker 5: Somehow?
Speaker 4: I don't think we've mentioned it, at least for me.
Speaker 4: I think there are so many. We talked about the
Speaker 4: Old Mac part three and Trails part three, But the
Speaker 4: Pacific fifth Hole is really good, Yeah, uphill, really good
Speaker 4: part of green.
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah? Is that is that your honor?
Speaker 5: That's my pick for an honorable mention?
Speaker 3: I don't know about you guys, all right, what about you? Andy?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Bandon Trail's fifth I really like
Speaker 1: that whole. I love just the whole, that whole gathering
Speaker 1: point there. I love the the greens, kind of like
Speaker 1: a modified Burrits in a way. It's super fun. The
Speaker 1: backpins are tough, though the front pins are more gettable.
Speaker 1: And one of the things, I just love the feel
Speaker 1: of the whole place right there. It's just really delightful.
Speaker 1: I could just sit there all day, I think, in
Speaker 1: that meadow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think i'd go. I'd go fifth at Trails too.
Speaker 3: Maybe doesn't have anything to do with the hole itself.
Speaker 3: I think as a golf hole. I might be a
Speaker 3: little more interested in the short hole at Old Mac,
Speaker 3: but it's just hard to deny the beauty of that
Speaker 3: place and how fun it is to be in it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: all right, six six, I would go with Pacific Dunes.
Speaker 3: I think that's a perfectly representative short par four at
Speaker 3: Pacific Dunes. I already chose two at Pacific Dunes, though,
Speaker 3: so I might be persuaded to go another direction with this.
Speaker 3: Also have the long hole at Old Mac, I think
Speaker 3: in contention, because the green is so great, And then
Speaker 3: six at Trails is a really cool part. Four back
Speaker 3: into the woods a little bit, or getting into the woods.
Speaker 3: So I'm not sure what do you guys think.
Speaker 4: I think this is another one that has a lot
Speaker 4: of strong options. I mean, six at Cheap Ranch has
Speaker 4: that drive up over the cliff too, if you're playing
Speaker 4: the right tea and.
Speaker 3: Six Abandoned Dunes is Andy's favorite hole.
Speaker 1: Oh, come on, why you got why you have to
Speaker 1: bring that in?
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm sorry. Six Abandoned Dunes is not in contention
Speaker 3: for this, I don't think.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I think I think six a Pacific.
Speaker 1: For anybody this wonder I did make berdie there? You know,
Speaker 1: it's not that has nothing to do with how I
Speaker 1: played the hole. It's just a bad golf hole. It's
Speaker 1: a bad golf hole in a beautiful place. But it's
Speaker 1: it's a but yeah.
Speaker 4: Back to the good golf hole in a beautiful place.
Speaker 4: Sixth at Pacific. I think it's just, oh, it's so cool.
Speaker 4: I mean, when you that fairway must be close to
Speaker 4: one hundred yards wide, and when you're on the left
Speaker 4: side of it, your webshot is it must be like
Speaker 4: hitting onto a table from over there. Luckily I was
Speaker 4: on the right side, and I think most of our
Speaker 4: group was. But from the right side, even you got
Speaker 4: to hit a really good shot.
Speaker 5: In there to hold that green.
Speaker 1: It's the smallest green on property, I believe that, one
Speaker 1: of our caddies said. And the way it angles back
Speaker 1: is just it sets up everything and you have to
Speaker 1: carry the bunker on the right, which if you're playing
Speaker 1: into the wind, isn't necessarily a foregone conclusion. So six
Speaker 1: it six at a pack dunes, Six at Old Mac
Speaker 1: honorable mention.
Speaker 2: Absolutely on seven.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're you're you're on board with that, well, yep. Cool.
Speaker 2: Seven for me is Old Mac. Uh.
Speaker 1: It is a wonderful kind of drive wedge hole.
Speaker 3: Not a template. This hole is called Ocean. It is
Speaker 3: just an original.
Speaker 1: Hole and this is where you play up to the
Speaker 1: dune ridge at the back of the property and this
Speaker 1: is where you get your first look at the ocean
Speaker 1: at Old Mac.
Speaker 2: So you play up to this.
Speaker 1: It's a great green and off the tee, you know,
Speaker 1: you want to play it up the left side if possible.
Speaker 1: They're scarded by bunkers, and then you've got a gorse
Speaker 1: bush over there and.
Speaker 2: From there you get a really nice angle into the green.
Speaker 1: But it's a really hard approach shot because you're hitting
Speaker 1: significantly uphill. You can't really tell where the pin is,
Speaker 1: and like you don't know where the green edges are
Speaker 1: because it's so uphill, and then you're also contending with
Speaker 1: if you're at Old Mac, likely a pretty big wind.
Speaker 1: So it is a golf hole that demands good shots
Speaker 1: into the green and.
Speaker 2: It's one of just my favorite holes out there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I agree with that. We saw what
Speaker 3: can happen when you go long.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've found out.
Speaker 3: I had a little adventure back there that there's a
Speaker 3: huge drop off, big bunker back there, and it's.
Speaker 2: Just you don't want to come up short.
Speaker 3: That's the place to be. Yeah, you can see what
Speaker 3: upshort is, but long is.
Speaker 4: You know, from what I nderstand that putting the green
Speaker 4: all the way up there wasn't a foregone conclusion, right.
Speaker 4: They kind of thought about that for a while, and
Speaker 4: I mean, I think everyone who's played that hole now
Speaker 4: is very grateful that they put it up there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a cool hole. I think that there are
Speaker 1: other good seventh holes. I really like Bandon seventh hole.
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the strongest holes on the
Speaker 1: abandoned rumbold Land. Yeah, I also really like the seventh
Speaker 1: that Bandon Trails. I think that's a really good golf
Speaker 1: hole too.
Speaker 3: Uphill par four seventh and seventh and Pacific Dunes is
Speaker 3: a great I think. I think that's probably my honorable mention.
Speaker 3: I'm deciding between that one and and Bandon Dunes because
Speaker 3: I agree that that Bandon Dunes hole, just the land
Speaker 3: is is great, the green side is great, It's a
Speaker 3: it's a stronghole, and a nice follow up to the
Speaker 3: to the relative disappointment that is six there. But you
Speaker 3: know seven at Pacific Dunes pretty long, difficult par four.
Speaker 1: Five to seven, and you get rid of the one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty yard walk back to the seventh. T
Speaker 1: you could walk right off the fifth green abandoned dunes
Speaker 1: and gone to seven, which is a great hole, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden four five, six, seven, eight. It
Speaker 1: would have been like a really good and you could
Speaker 1: have found a par three somewhere else.
Speaker 3: Because eight is a really good hole. Tao, Yeah, what
Speaker 3: do you think? Well for honorable mention? Seventh hole? I
Speaker 3: think I'm undecided on this one.
Speaker 5: No, I mean, I think you could sway me either way.
Speaker 5: I think was really.
Speaker 4: Cool about all these holes though, is that they all well,
Speaker 4: at least the three were talking about Old Mac Trails,
Speaker 4: abandoned and then Pacific. Even if you come up short,
Speaker 4: I mean it's a demanding shot in all three of them,
Speaker 4: or all four of them, really, I mean, you just
Speaker 4: have to either hit the shot or you were really
Speaker 4: scrambling for par I don't honestly have a strong feeling.
Speaker 4: I think you could put honorable mention on any of them.
Speaker 1: Well, you got to make a decision one to one,
Speaker 1: all right, Well, then my honorable mention goes to Bandon.
Speaker 5: I think that's a fun shot.
Speaker 1: In No, we haven't even brought up Sheep Ranches par
Speaker 1: threes that are all play to infinity edges on the ocean.
Speaker 1: And I think there's a reason that we haven't brought
Speaker 1: them up is that there are three six consecutive par threes,
Speaker 1: you know, close together in the routing three five and seven,
Speaker 1: three five and seven that are all feel extremely similar.
Speaker 1: And I think that's probably one of the weakest parts
Speaker 1: of Sheep Ranches. And I think it was very intentional
Speaker 1: to play these par threes to the ocean. I think
Speaker 1: that is something that you know, is a big thing
Speaker 1: for the retail golfer, you know, is getting these par
Speaker 1: threes facing the ocean, and I think it works against
Speaker 1: Sheep Ranch in terms of like it doesn't they all
Speaker 1: feel the same And to eight and eight is for
Speaker 1: me Sheep Ranch. This is a hole that plays. It's
Speaker 1: one of the pieces of pizza, as Bill core would say,
Speaker 1: but explain that well, it plays from the edge. Everything
Speaker 1: narrows as you get to the edge, right, So it's
Speaker 1: either par three's or the green sites of par four's
Speaker 1: or tea boxes. So it's a tea box that fans out.
Speaker 1: It's a wide area, so it's like a piece of
Speaker 1: pizza coming up.
Speaker 3: It's the routing. It's the routing principle that they use
Speaker 3: to get people to the ocean and back inland. At
Speaker 3: Sheep Ranch. A lot of the holes make these triangles
Speaker 3: that Bill Corry referred to on a video that we
Speaker 3: do in the podcast, and it was on the on
Speaker 3: the podcast and the video as a piece of pizza.
Speaker 3: And as you can tell, it tickles Andy and.
Speaker 4: So to visualize it for people, so seven plays into
Speaker 4: this point, eight plays out, nine plays back in, and
Speaker 4: then ten comes back out. And I mean you really
Speaker 4: could walk from both greens and Tea's in a matter
Speaker 4: of thirty seconds. They're all very close to each other.
Speaker 3: So eight you're going with sheranch.
Speaker 1: So it plays away from the ocean and plays back
Speaker 1: into this wooded you know, behind the green is this
Speaker 1: these woods, and the whole bends very severely. It might
Speaker 1: be the most And I noticed this when I was
Speaker 1: flying the drone even more than playing it really like
Speaker 1: it almost horseshoes. The thing turned so hard and you
Speaker 1: don't really you can't really tell because the t shots blind.
Speaker 1: But it adds this huge variability in wind, like you
Speaker 1: can be on one side of the fairway and then
Speaker 1: you can be on the other and the wind hits
Speaker 1: so much different. And then the other thing about it
Speaker 1: is the green. The green is absolutely incredible. Cameron, who's
Speaker 1: not on this podcast, compared it, you know, to like
Speaker 1: the road hole road Hole Green at Augusta National five.
Speaker 1: Like it's got those two huge mounds in the front
Speaker 1: of it that are like this big kind of false front.
Speaker 1: If you play up the left off the fairway, it's
Speaker 1: a much easier approach in because you don't have to
Speaker 1: contend with those mounds as much. You're hitting kind of
Speaker 1: diagonally over them as opposed to right into them.
Speaker 2: If you're up the right.
Speaker 1: Now, the right yields a lot shorter of an approach,
Speaker 1: so you know, from there you can get you a
Speaker 1: shorter approach, but it's not necessarily an easier one to
Speaker 1: get to certain pins because those huge mounds just eat
Speaker 1: golf balls and divert them over to the front right
Speaker 1: of the green or off the front of the green.
Speaker 1: And then the behind the mounds is this channel that
Speaker 1: kind of cuts across the green as well. It's just
Speaker 1: it's one of my favorite greens on the property, and
Speaker 1: I just I really like the golf hole.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and when you consider I mean even the left
Speaker 4: pins that we didn't play on this trip, but with
Speaker 4: the predominant winds coming out of the north, this hole
Speaker 4: is playing. It starts north and bends northeast, and so
Speaker 4: when the winds coming out of the north, you're it's
Speaker 4: off your left as the golfer, and getting it to
Speaker 4: the left side of that green, there's a back shelf.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's it is really a difficult shot to
Speaker 4: get up there, and it makes it a very interesting approach.
Speaker 3: Is that your choice as well?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 5: Absolutely?
Speaker 3: Eight cheap ranch, oh man, I'd go with eight abandoned trails.
Speaker 3: I love that. I mean, I think that you could
Speaker 3: play that in any number of different ways. It's a
Speaker 3: short part four. It drifts slightly to the left. There's
Speaker 3: a good amount of room out to the right from
Speaker 3: certain tees and for certain players it could be drivable.
Speaker 3: You could get your drive on the front edge of
Speaker 3: the green, but it's very uncomfortable to do that because
Speaker 3: along the left side is a lot of nastiness that
Speaker 3: you just don't want to get involved in. But the
Speaker 3: right side and the right side, if you it's too
Speaker 3: far to the right side, if you're gone, you're you're Yeah,
Speaker 3: the hole's over. But there is there is some room
Speaker 3: out there.
Speaker 1: You know, you're you're a drawer of the ball. So
Speaker 1: you didn't even see the right side, that's all.
Speaker 3: I was thinking a shorter hitter than you guys, so
Speaker 3: I didn't have to worry, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the times I played it, I just
Speaker 1: parked it in there a couple of years ago.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so there. Yeah, you don't want to miss
Speaker 3: on either side really, but there is some room out
Speaker 3: to the right. If you want to take a long
Speaker 3: iron off the tee or a hybrid or whatever, then
Speaker 3: you know you aren't going to get in too much
Speaker 3: trouble on the right. But that web shot to the
Speaker 3: green is pretty dicey because from the right the green
Speaker 3: is running away from you, and if you go a
Speaker 3: little bit long, you're running into the bunkers or the
Speaker 3: short grass on the other side. And that shot from
Speaker 3: over there below the green is just no fun at all.
Speaker 3: And so it's a It's a great little at part
Speaker 3: four that can be drivable sometimes if you if you
Speaker 3: push your drive toward the left and get up on
Speaker 3: the kind of front edge of the green, then you
Speaker 3: have a fairly easy kind of bump and run up
Speaker 3: to most of the pins. But if you're you know,
Speaker 3: if you miss to the left, or if you aren't
Speaker 3: so courageous and go out to the right, then I
Speaker 3: can things can start moving quickly on that hole.
Speaker 1: Eight might be one of the strongest all round holes
Speaker 1: across the resort, because I really think you could make
Speaker 1: a case for any of the eighth holes.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the beer it's part three.
Speaker 4: Coming down the hill at Old Mac is jaw dropping
Speaker 4: in difficult.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now that I think about it, Old Mac eight,
Speaker 1: it's fun.
Speaker 2: I only go eight as at Old Mac is my
Speaker 2: honorable mention, I'd like to know.
Speaker 3: I'm not totally sure how the wind is on that
Speaker 3: hole usually, but I I don't think it's ever downwind.
Speaker 3: Now that I actually actually brought that up with Casey,
Speaker 3: I asked him one of our cast.
Speaker 2: Pr right to left helping.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe maybe he just said it's really He says,
Speaker 3: the rarest wind is the one that comes from the ocean,
Speaker 3: and and that's that hole is facing directly away from
Speaker 3: the ocean. I think it would be a somewhat more
Speaker 3: fun hole if it were downwind, because then you would
Speaker 3: really be running the ball through the green. You would
Speaker 3: be running it, you know, from the front of the
Speaker 3: beer it's through the trough to the other side. When
Speaker 3: we were playing it into the wind on one of
Speaker 3: the days, I'm not saying that's a common wind. Then,
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's it loses a little something.
Speaker 4: It did say that the pin is in the back
Speaker 4: almost always, which is great, which is where it should be.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, And then I think you.
Speaker 4: Started to say this chart, but Ada Pacific is really
Speaker 4: cool too. That green site the bunker pushed into it
Speaker 4: in the punch bowl effect in the backside is it's
Speaker 4: makes for such a fun approach.
Speaker 1: And the vicious false front in the front. Like the
Speaker 1: front pins really cool because it has this really severe
Speaker 1: false front that it kind of blends in.
Speaker 2: It's such a beautiful place for a green there.
Speaker 1: I also like the t shot because like, if you're
Speaker 1: playing a downwind and you hit it up the left,
Speaker 1: you can get blocked out by those trees and it's
Speaker 1: just a sneaky thing. You don't want to play up
Speaker 1: the right, but you kind of need to when it's downwind.
Speaker 3: There's a ton of room out to the left. But yeah,
Speaker 3: it gets worse and worse as you get over there.
Speaker 3: And I do like a whole like eight at Pacific
Speaker 3: Dunes where you can get in a really nasty looking
Speaker 3: green side bunker. There's this little pot bunker right in
Speaker 3: front of the green. You get in there and you're like, okay,
Speaker 3: I'm dead. But for a lot of pins, you have
Speaker 3: a backstop that you could play off of, and so
Speaker 3: you very well could get in that bunker and say
Speaker 3: the person you're playing against is on the green and
Speaker 3: they're like, oh, I'm set. But you could bank it
Speaker 3: off of that backboard and get it pretty close to
Speaker 3: the hole out of that bunker. So I think that's
Speaker 3: there's a cool opportunity for sort of reverse.
Speaker 1: In a match between two people, hold nine, hold nine,
Speaker 1: lots of choices, lots of choices, five choices on every
Speaker 1: single one of these.
Speaker 3: And we're talking about just about all of them on
Speaker 3: every hole. Maybe maybe we should go quicker.
Speaker 4: Maybe I think I think this one. I think we're
Speaker 4: all on board with nine at Pacific. Yes, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I might go a different direction with it. But let's
Speaker 3: talk about nine at Pacific.
Speaker 2: He won't be going nine at Old Mac. We know that.
Speaker 3: No, I'm not. I'm not a huge fan of Night
Speaker 3: at Old Mac, though the people in this room are
Speaker 3: bigger fans of it than I am. But go go ahead.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about nine at Old Mac first.
Speaker 2: No, not at nine at all.
Speaker 4: Manea Pacific par four up the hill really blind t
Speaker 4: shot two greens as well. The upper green is the
Speaker 4: one we played too, But there's a lower green, but
Speaker 4: at least thirty yards I mean it is way down there.
Speaker 4: That's off to the left. The upper green is on
Speaker 4: the right side. To the right green, I think is
Speaker 4: just a remarkable hole. Even if you have wedge into
Speaker 4: that green, everything cascades away from you. If you're on
Speaker 4: the left hand side of the fairway, and I mean
Speaker 4: the fairway is one hundred yards wide, it's almost impossible
Speaker 4: to miss it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can miss it right if you're trying to
Speaker 1: push it up the right, which you have to do
Speaker 1: for the right green, the top green, which is on
Speaker 1: the right side. You you really need to be up
Speaker 1: on the right. It's so so difficult from the left.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, I mean that's a great hole. But what
Speaker 3: do you think about the lower Did you get a
Speaker 3: good look at the lower green?
Speaker 4: Well, I got to look at it, but I know,
Speaker 4: I guess so I haven't played down there. I would
Speaker 4: be interested to hear what you guys have to say
Speaker 4: about that one.
Speaker 1: I'm taking as the best. We're making our best holes
Speaker 1: on property. I don't even have to talk about the
Speaker 1: lower hole.
Speaker 3: So you're just going to deny the existence of that
Speaker 3: lower green. That's my holes to the upper It's not
Speaker 3: your hole. It's the hole that's at the course. We're
Speaker 3: judging the holes at the course.
Speaker 4: My hole.
Speaker 3: The pin is on the People often play Pacific Dunes
Speaker 3: once in their lives, and frequently the pin is down
Speaker 3: on the left.
Speaker 2: It's fine it's fun down there.
Speaker 3: It is fun down there. It's not as good of
Speaker 3: a hole though, right.
Speaker 2: No, it isn't.
Speaker 5: What is weaker when the pins down there?
Speaker 1: Well, there's just less strategy, like you you don't there's
Speaker 1: not really there's a preferred like you'd rather be left then,
Speaker 1: but it's not anyway. You do not pay the sharp
Speaker 1: penalty you pay if you're left when you want to
Speaker 1: be right to the upper green.
Speaker 3: And the upper green is so cool too, by the way, there's.
Speaker 1: This little bins really cool too, but the upper green
Speaker 1: is just like better.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that Yeah, this would be my issue with
Speaker 3: putting this hole over the one that maybe you guys
Speaker 3: will give honorable mention to it. I don't know, But
Speaker 3: what is it? Sheep Ranch? Yeah, I love ninep Branch.
Speaker 3: I think that's a.
Speaker 2: Great golf We have no par threes on our front
Speaker 2: nine Yeah, I know.
Speaker 5: So well, So what do you like about nine and
Speaker 5: sheep Branch so much?
Speaker 3: Okay? So nine and sheep Ranch Part four that plays
Speaker 3: from inland out to the cliffs. And what I really
Speaker 3: like about that hole is that there's plenty of room
Speaker 3: in the fair way, but it's still a pretty intimidating
Speaker 3: drive because uh, you know, it really does kind of
Speaker 3: narrow down, and so it's it's a lot safer if
Speaker 3: you decide to lay back, But if you really want
Speaker 3: to push it up like Andy did today, he had
Speaker 3: a bomb on this hole if you want to. If
Speaker 3: you want a nice little wedge into this green.
Speaker 2: It's not a nice wedge though, it's not like you
Speaker 2: don't like it.
Speaker 3: If you want a wedge into the screen. And but
Speaker 3: it's important that you have that you have a shorter
Speaker 3: club into this green because it's it's very very hard
Speaker 3: to hold this greens, especially in its back set section
Speaker 3: it runs away. There's there's sort of great creative rounds
Speaker 3: to the green, like little hazards that you can get into.
Speaker 3: There are obviously no sand bunkers at Cheap Branch. I
Speaker 3: think most people know this at this point, and that
Speaker 3: means that there's this great variety of green side hazards
Speaker 3: that are there instead, and this green is a great
Speaker 3: example of that. I just think it's a really simple
Speaker 3: golf hole on a fantastic piece of land, and you know,
Speaker 3: I could play it over and over. But the upper
Speaker 3: Green hole at Pacific Dunes is overall that one is
Speaker 3: I would admit stronger.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, so we're.
Speaker 3: But there's two. But but there are two greens at
Speaker 3: Pacific Dunes. Ninth ball.
Speaker 2: We're only playing. That's we're only playing.
Speaker 3: I don't think you can just say that because I
Speaker 3: don't think that's I don't think that's the reality.
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Speaker 5: I think any should start with this one.
Speaker 2: I just started.
Speaker 3: Ten. It's a tough one.
Speaker 5: Ten is a very strong did you straight?
Speaker 1: I'll go ten with bandoned Dunes ten abandoned Dunes. I
Speaker 1: really like this hole. You play away from the clubhouse,
Speaker 1: and it's like a mini little alpshole. It's it's a
Speaker 1: wide fairway, it's a rumpled fair away, lots of contours.
Speaker 1: If you hit it right down the middle, you're you're
Speaker 1: blind to everything, which is a feature I always love.
Speaker 1: If you want to build a hole that I love,
Speaker 1: make the center of the fairway the worst place you
Speaker 1: can be and from there the green has got a
Speaker 1: neat green is kind of like shallow and wide, which
Speaker 1: is another thing I like a lot. And depending on
Speaker 1: where the pin is, you want to be on the
Speaker 1: left or the right side of the fairway because that'll
Speaker 1: give you an actual look into the green. And if
Speaker 1: it's windy, it's just really a difficult hole. If it's
Speaker 1: down wind, you know, or you know, kind of coming
Speaker 1: across and down, it's gonna be.
Speaker 2: Hard to hold the green.
Speaker 1: If it's coming the other way, it's just like hard
Speaker 1: to keep the spin off the ball and get it
Speaker 1: far enough to get onto the green.
Speaker 4: And the blind approach, I mean really adds to like
Speaker 4: the left side of the tenth green like falls off
Speaker 4: so hard, and unless you've played the hole before, you
Speaker 4: might not know that, so you need a caddy to
Speaker 4: tell you or you could be just chipping for five really.
Speaker 1: So there's uncertainty in the heavy winds that you get
Speaker 1: at the resort, Like that really is an added thing
Speaker 1: that makes the shot very difficult.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's a what I like about the tenth hole.
Speaker 3: One of the things I like about it is that
Speaker 3: it's a hole where big hitters can get into more
Speaker 3: trouble than shorter hitters, you know, because if you're a
Speaker 3: shorter hitter, you just play out to the left, like
Speaker 3: as far out left as you can get, and you
Speaker 3: might get a little peek at the green and it's
Speaker 3: very safe out there and you can hit a nice
Speaker 3: little approach in there. But if you are an aggressive player,
Speaker 3: if you hit the ball a long way, you're looking
Speaker 3: up the right and thinking, I want to go straight
Speaker 3: at the screen. I want to get as close as
Speaker 3: close as I can. I don't want to take the
Speaker 3: long route around. I think I can carry this bunker
Speaker 3: that bunker, and you really can get in a lot
Speaker 3: of trouble out there. It's not a very good angle
Speaker 3: into the green. You can't see anything on your second shot.
Speaker 3: So I like that little dynamic.
Speaker 4: Other tenth holes that are strong, I mean Old Mac.
Speaker 4: The bottle hole is really that. That green is incredible.
Speaker 3: Bottle Hole might be might be the one.
Speaker 4: Tent, but I mean Andy started anyone with band I
Speaker 4: think I think Bandon and Old Mac are one two
Speaker 4: for me. I mean Pacific's part three down the Hill
Speaker 4: is incredible to first of two really good back to
Speaker 4: back holes. I don't know, Garrett what we were thinking.
Speaker 3: I like too, Yeah, that that green with a big
Speaker 3: bank up on the right, and uh, there's lots of
Speaker 3: lots of cool possibilities there. It's a good drive with uh,
Speaker 3: you know, a high side and some and and a
Speaker 3: low side and that that's a really fun hole too.
Speaker 3: But I think that I would give it to I
Speaker 3: would give it to old Mac the honorable mention. All right, eleven,
Speaker 3: are we gonna swerve here?
Speaker 4: I think so, I mean, I like, it sounds ridicul
Speaker 4: to not pick eleven at Pacific, but I think, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, we're still not going to pick up Heart three.
Speaker 4: Maybe I and we maybe who knows, Maybe I'll be
Speaker 4: just decided here. But I mean eleven at Trails is
Speaker 4: just so fantastic.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know what you guys think.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love eleven and Trails up and over a
Speaker 3: part four bending to the right, little uh water feature
Speaker 3: along the right side of the green, unusual site, abandoned dunes,
Speaker 3: but a very natural looking little pond next thing and
Speaker 3: next to what's really a fantastic green. I think I'd
Speaker 3: still have to give it to eleven at Pacific Dunes.
Speaker 1: So that's just one of the great Pacific Dud I
Speaker 1: talked about in my mind made out that I'm going
Speaker 1: to do eleven Trails. I love eleven in Trails is
Speaker 1: so awesome. I love that hole. It'd be hard for
Speaker 1: me to not pick that hole against so but I
Speaker 1: am going to pick Pacific Dunes eleventh hole.
Speaker 3: Yeah, eleven of trails. Anything more say about that For
Speaker 3: people who don't know the hole very well, I.
Speaker 1: Just I think it's such a neat hole. I really
Speaker 1: like when it plays into the wind. Yeah, because you
Speaker 1: have this big downhill approach and there's a bunker that's
Speaker 1: set thirty yards off the green. If you carry the bunker,
Speaker 1: it just shoots the ball right into the green.
Speaker 2: It's a neat green.
Speaker 1: The green's always in shade, so you don't the features
Speaker 1: don't like pop off the page at you. But it's
Speaker 1: got the left side of the greens really got some
Speaker 1: nice contour. And I think, just to me, I meant
Speaker 1: to bring this up when we were talking about nine,
Speaker 1: but like nine and eleven at Bandoned Trails or two
Speaker 1: moments like in that forest setting where I just like
Speaker 1: am like And it might be because I'm from Chicago
Speaker 1: and I haven't played much golf.
Speaker 2: In the Pacific Northwest.
Speaker 1: You know, I never went to Reno as a kid,
Speaker 1: but I get back and I'm just like, God, this
Speaker 1: is amazing with those those huge trees. I don't know
Speaker 1: exactly what kind of trees they.
Speaker 5: Are, but well, so back to eleven a Pacific. Then
Speaker 5: what makes it such a good Part three?
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just you're right on the ocean and
Speaker 1: just the naturalness of it. And one of the things
Speaker 1: about it is like everybody gets I think, really freaked
Speaker 1: out on that tea but there's a lot of space
Speaker 1: right and the right kind of banks you in so
Speaker 1: you don't have to necessarily take it on. And I
Speaker 1: think it's just one of those moments. It's a moment
Speaker 1: in the round that really demands your attention. Like you
Speaker 1: stand on that tea box and you're uneasy no matter what,
Speaker 1: because you've got your the ocean on the left, these
Speaker 1: massive bunkers in front, like front pins, back pins. Any
Speaker 1: pin is a challenging shot there, like where you really like,
Speaker 1: you know, when you stand up, you have to hit
Speaker 1: a very good shot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's all about the visual deception because it
Speaker 3: looks like a small grain from the tea but you're
Speaker 3: often hitting a pretty long club there because it is
Speaker 3: frequently into the wind and they can get those teas
Speaker 3: back pretty far. And so you're sitting there looking at
Speaker 3: this what looks like a pretty small green from the
Speaker 3: tea and you have a five iron in your hand
Speaker 3: or you know, or something longer, and it can be
Speaker 3: really intimidating. But as Andy said, there is some room
Speaker 3: short right to leave your ball that that is pretty
Speaker 3: safe there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd be remiss if I didn't mention the eleventhil
Speaker 1: Cheap Ranch.
Speaker 2: That's a great, great par five.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that green site is incredible. I don't even know
Speaker 3: how to describe what it's in. It's like in this
Speaker 3: saddle and there's rocks and sand and I mean it's
Speaker 3: just spectacular.
Speaker 4: It's not clay, but it's like a really dark sand.
Speaker 3: It's almost like a sandstone. Yeah, I'm not sure, but
Speaker 3: it's it looks like, you know, like this green is
Speaker 3: set into a monument or something.
Speaker 1: A great green too, with those rolls that kind of
Speaker 1: knobs in the high leftier and then the knobs in
Speaker 1: the middle of the cut through the middle of the
Speaker 1: green really neat green.
Speaker 2: So my honorable mention would go to Trails.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it has to be Trails. That's a great hole.
Speaker 3: Who's going to take on the twelfth hole first? This
Speaker 3: is this is a tough one.
Speaker 5: I think.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's a tough one in the sense that,
Speaker 4: unlike some of the past decisions we've had to make,
Speaker 4: this one doesn't have one that jumps out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no good one. Really. This is the weak are.
Speaker 3: Some of the weaker holes of course, all the courses.
Speaker 1: Banded Dune's weak point is that there aren't any great
Speaker 1: twelfth holes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Pacific Dunes Part five, you know whatever,
Speaker 3: it's not one of the best holes of the course.
Speaker 2: It's a great hole, but it's just twelve Trails is a.
Speaker 3: Old mac twe twelve is the Red Dan, which is
Speaker 3: not one of the more successful templates at.
Speaker 2: The old eleven had the road hole too, road sheep
Speaker 2: ran eleven stacked.
Speaker 1: Any of the eleven holes outside of maybe Bandons would
Speaker 1: win the twelfth hole.
Speaker 5: I think you're right.
Speaker 3: I agree. Maybe.
Speaker 1: I think probably Bandon's eleventh would win the twelfth.
Speaker 3: To Bandon's eleventh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, really maybe.
Speaker 3: I don't know if Bandon's eleventh is better than Bandon's twelfth.
Speaker 3: Because that's what's probably winning the.
Speaker 2: Twelfth A Bandon's twelfth it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what we're left with. One of the most
Speaker 3: famous holes in America. Yeah, Abandon's twelfth hole, part three
Speaker 3: plays out to the ocean. It was on the cover
Speaker 3: of every magazine in nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 1: I like the green side. I like how it's pressed
Speaker 1: up against the dune, and I like how that back
Speaker 1: wing on the right kind of serves as a natural
Speaker 1: extension to the dune.
Speaker 2: I think this is a neat hole.
Speaker 4: I think the twelfth Green and Sheep Ranch is pretty
Speaker 4: interesting too. The drive is really nothing to marvel at.
Speaker 4: You just kind of hit it out there. But then,
Speaker 4: as I found out, if you get long at all,
Speaker 4: it really falls away back there too.
Speaker 1: All right, thirteen, this is right back into the gauntlet.
Speaker 1: You know wherever the twelfth shortcomings are are made up
Speaker 1: on the eleventh and the thirteenth holes across the resort.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to me, you know.
Speaker 1: Pacific Dunes is you have to pick this hole. This
Speaker 1: is one of the greatest holes in the world. This
Speaker 1: golf hole is just tremendous. You have these massive dunes
Speaker 1: on the right side, you have the ocean, on the
Speaker 1: left side, you have a wide fairway that narrows as.
Speaker 2: You move forward.
Speaker 1: But also I think what makes the hole is the
Speaker 1: feature in the middle of the fairway. There's a feature
Speaker 1: it's almost like a hog's back where you know, it's
Speaker 1: kind of rounded and it kicks balls left or right.
Speaker 1: If if it kicks you right, you're not not gonna
Speaker 1: be happy with your next shot. It's a delayed penalty.
Speaker 1: That would be you're playing away from the ocean, like
Speaker 1: you know, you stand on the tea box and you
Speaker 1: need to hit it left.
Speaker 4: You really need It sounds crazy to say yeah, because
Speaker 4: there's not much room up there visually, and we.
Speaker 3: Should mention the more obvious thing about the thirteenth Hole,
Speaker 3: aside from, you know, the strategic aspects of it, I
Speaker 3: think are somewhat underappreciated, partly because you have, of course,
Speaker 3: the spectacular cliffs to the left and some of the
Speaker 3: biggest dunes anywhere on this entire property to the right,
Speaker 3: and if you look at pictures of where this hole
Speaker 3: is from before construction, it was basically just there. This
Speaker 3: is a natural hole that just fit beautifully in between
Speaker 3: these massive dunes in the ocean, and it's just such
Speaker 3: a cool place. Anything to add to that, will or
Speaker 3: do you have a honorable mention?
Speaker 5: No, I was gonna yeah.
Speaker 4: Andy said that what the twelve flax? The thirteenth really
Speaker 4: brings it. So I was curious about what is other
Speaker 4: strong thirteen holes were.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, yeah, great Part five that yeah, that has
Speaker 3: a great rumpley Part five.
Speaker 1: That fairway feature on Bandoned Dunes is unbelievable, like the
Speaker 1: rumbles and everything.
Speaker 2: It's a really neat Part five.
Speaker 1: I would say I'm gonna go with with Bandoned Trails though. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love the green, I love the green site sitting
Speaker 1: up in the in the dunes there, that's a really
Speaker 1: really great hole.
Speaker 2: Fourteen.
Speaker 1: Lots of options on fourteen, Will what are you taking?
Speaker 4: There are a lot and yeah, I mean lots of
Speaker 4: we I think this has been a common theme throughout
Speaker 4: this but I gotta go with the fourteenth at Sheep
Speaker 4: Ranch that hogs back fairway. I mean we played it downwind.
Speaker 4: I think into the wind that would be an absolute
Speaker 4: bear of a hole. But as we played it, and
Speaker 4: as I think a lot of people would see it
Speaker 4: with the wind out of the north, that it's a
Speaker 4: par four that goes over this huge fairway mound and
Speaker 4: then once you cross it you get to see the
Speaker 4: ocean again. There's a really great green lying in the distance.
Speaker 4: I mean, it is just very dramatic.
Speaker 1: I mean, the feature in the fairways is huge. You
Speaker 1: have to hit it over like almost the peak of
Speaker 1: it too. It's not like a uniform mound per se.
Speaker 1: It kind of like goes up and it gets to
Speaker 1: the top, and then from the top it kind of
Speaker 1: has this like spine that runs down that you can
Speaker 1: ride this like, you know, it's like fifteen yards wide's
Speaker 1: spine down, but then on either side it kind of
Speaker 1: like cascades down to the right and to the left.
Speaker 1: It creates these blind approaches from side hill downhill lies
Speaker 1: semi blind approaches, and then it's to the screen. One
Speaker 1: of the neat things. This is a subtle thing. It's
Speaker 1: just the green is tilted from right to left. It
Speaker 1: really rewards those who take on the girth of the hill.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely fantastic hole, but really close to it, maybe
Speaker 3: surpassing it would be the fourteenth hole at Old Mac
Speaker 3: the Maiden Hole, though it's not really the Maiden Hole
Speaker 3: as you would understand it from Royal Saint George's.
Speaker 2: Well, this maiden Green just got the Maiden Green.
Speaker 3: So could you describe a maiden green.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost like a double plateau. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: our a raccoon is back.
Speaker 3: Oh, a raccoon friend is back. So we're staying in
Speaker 3: a cottage here at Bandon Dunes, and last night a
Speaker 3: raccoon came and visited us and he's not scared of
Speaker 3: us at all back.
Speaker 5: In fact, I think he wants to be our friend.
Speaker 3: He doesn't look friendly to me.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, he doesn't at all.
Speaker 5: Well we don't know that, Karen.
Speaker 3: He looks like he wants to fight.
Speaker 2: Anyways.
Speaker 1: The maiden hall, the main it's like a double plateau,
Speaker 1: but there's almost like a slit in the middle, and
Speaker 1: then it's like a low front with two high backside
Speaker 1: back parts.
Speaker 3: Well, what's your honorable mention? Well old Mac for sure, okay,
Speaker 3: but but you oh so yeah. Actually the discussion is
Speaker 3: over the winner here, so you'd say Sheep Ranch winner.
Speaker 3: I think, yes, I'll go with that. I'll go with
Speaker 3: a flow on that. I think the fourteenth that sheep
Speaker 3: Ranches is really fantastic. Yeah, but I could easily be
Speaker 3: convinced to flip those two. The fourteenth the trails we
Speaker 3: should mention is that that's one of the most discussed
Speaker 3: holes at the Bandon Dunes Resort, Big Downhill short part four,
Speaker 3: where if you don't stay up to the left, you're
Speaker 3: basically dead for the rest of the hole. Yeah. Yeah, that.
Speaker 2: Hole got me full time.
Speaker 3: Very difficult to stay left on that hole, but you
Speaker 3: have to do it or you're just.
Speaker 1: Well it left, you're not out of the woods. That's
Speaker 1: where I made a mess of it last time. Was
Speaker 1: the perfect spot. You can still miss the green with
Speaker 1: a thirty yard pitch.
Speaker 3: That green is incredibly hard to hit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's uh so fifteen I'm going with abandoned trails.
Speaker 1: It's got this center line bunker. It's a huge bunker
Speaker 1: that you have to play short of or play left of,
Speaker 1: and then it opens up to probably the best, one
Speaker 1: of the best green sites on property. Sending into this hill.
Speaker 1: This wildly undulating green has got these bunkers on the right,
Speaker 1: and for some reason, the ball just goes right there.
Speaker 1: It just like it's like a gravitational pull, like you
Speaker 1: just hit the ball into the right gunk.
Speaker 2: Every time.
Speaker 1: I just feel like the ball just goes right there.
Speaker 1: You know certain holes, you know, you just hit it there.
Speaker 1: But that green site, it just sits up in this
Speaker 1: like kind of little pocket right before this big kind
Speaker 1: of hill.
Speaker 4: The orientation of it is kind of like five at
Speaker 4: Pacific too. Just imp squeeze in between those dunes and
Speaker 4: narrows in the back.
Speaker 5: I mean, it is a really cool place for a green.
Speaker 3: Honorable mention.
Speaker 1: I think sheep Ranch short part four of the place
Speaker 1: straight to the ocean.
Speaker 3: That's what I have too. Are there are there any
Speaker 3: other convincing options?
Speaker 4: I don't think any other ones are as strong as
Speaker 4: those two. I mean the part as for as short
Speaker 4: as it is when the wind is into you, it
Speaker 4: plays rather long. I mean, even if you bust a
Speaker 4: drive out there, you're gonna have at least a half
Speaker 4: wedge in there, and that green you don't necessarily want
Speaker 4: to have a half wedge into the wind because you're
Speaker 4: gonna spin it all the way down that hill.
Speaker 3: The green itself is just delightful.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: It has those back two back plateaus that you're talking about,
Speaker 3: and then in the front section of the green, it
Speaker 3: just has this little spine that runs right through the
Speaker 3: middle of it. Yeah, it's it's a big spine. It's
Speaker 3: a little compared to the to the shelves at the back,
Speaker 3: but it's it's substantial and you can put a pin
Speaker 3: on either side of that, and if you're putting over it,
Speaker 3: it's it's a tough, tough lag putt, but just a
Speaker 3: really cool green to look at, one of those ones
Speaker 3: that you just want to walk around and kind of
Speaker 3: smile at for a few minutes. It makes you want
Speaker 3: to put sixteen. I'm going, I'm going, I have to
Speaker 3: go abandon. I have to. It's a it's a completely
Speaker 3: iconic golf hole and it holds up. It's wonderful to
Speaker 3: play par four running along the ocean in the most
Speaker 3: common wind. It's it's downwind and you just have this
Speaker 3: this huge kind of scab running across the fairway. Now,
Speaker 3: bunkers used to be more gorsy, running diagonally up to
Speaker 3: a green that's perched on the edge of the cliff.
Speaker 4: When you're on that green, like you have to pay
Speaker 4: it to the wind there and it just throws a
Speaker 4: whole wrench into you. Think you've hit a good webshot
Speaker 4: or even if you're fifteen feet away like you now
Speaker 4: need to execute and get this.
Speaker 5: Ball in the hole.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I go, I lean towards sixteen. I
Speaker 1: think sixteen at Old Mac deserves some mention here. It
Speaker 1: is a incredible alpshole. I mean that is a jaw
Speaker 1: dropping hole. The golf hole is a big par four
Speaker 1: plays downhill off the tee. The left side is completely blind,
Speaker 1: the right side can't is bunkered, but it can give
Speaker 1: you a look at certain pins and you don't know
Speaker 1: where the pin is on the tee. And the right
Speaker 1: side of the hole is set on the dune ridge
Speaker 1: that cuts across the entire property, really abandoned. And then
Speaker 1: the left side is the dune ridge that sits along
Speaker 1: the ocean, and it's just an that's an amazing hole.
Speaker 2: It's an amazing green and the.
Speaker 1: Enormity of the of the hill that you have to
Speaker 1: hit over, it's just incredible.
Speaker 2: That hole is a world class hole.
Speaker 1: And I mean the sixteenth it's sheep ranch is an
Speaker 1: incredible Part three. I mean, how can you not love
Speaker 1: that hole. I mean, the waves are crashing, it's a
Speaker 1: it's a one of you know, like just a absolute
Speaker 1: incredible I love that green too.
Speaker 2: The simplicity is kind of like a.
Speaker 1: Maxwell roll right in the middle of it and it
Speaker 1: just sits there right on that point.
Speaker 2: Seventeen.
Speaker 3: Are we to seventeenth? I think every single seventeenth hole
Speaker 3: is good, very strong.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a very very difficult one to pick from.
Speaker 4: Where would you go, Well, I mean it's cheap ranch
Speaker 4: for me, Like, despite how strong, really all five of
Speaker 4: them are the T shot depending I guess there's a
Speaker 4: tea right off the sixteenth green, a cheap ranch that
Speaker 4: really forces you to take that cliff on you have
Speaker 4: no choice. Yeah, the hitting over the cliff, I mean,
Speaker 4: and you're hitting up the cliff, that's the other thing.
Speaker 4: I mean six also hits over the cliff, but you're
Speaker 4: not going up as severely. But from the other te'es,
Speaker 4: I think you have a little gentler of a shot,
Speaker 4: but you still have I mean literally the continent of
Speaker 4: the United States of North America to your right, and
Speaker 4: then there's just the ocean left.
Speaker 5: But it is a remarkable shot.
Speaker 4: And then the second shot into that green, like you
Speaker 4: can bail as far right on the T shot as
Speaker 4: you want. But then kind of similar to thirteen oh Pacific,
Speaker 4: now the ocean is very much on play again.
Speaker 2: The trees.
Speaker 1: The dead trees are so cool in that hole in
Speaker 1: the green where it sits like with the dead trees
Speaker 1: around it, and then the green has this like kind
Speaker 1: of channel that runs through diagonally across it. It's it's
Speaker 1: a really brilliant hole. And one of the things that's
Speaker 1: underrated about it is like there are some really subtle,
Speaker 1: little neat fairway contours in the fairway.
Speaker 2: It's not a flat fairway. It's not like a pancake.
Speaker 1: I would go with the seventeenth a sheep ranch too,
Speaker 1: And then you know, for an honorable mention, there are
Speaker 1: a lot of choices here, and I think I would
Speaker 1: go with bandon seventeenth. I like that whole lot. I
Speaker 1: love that it incorporates the canyon. I wish the eighteenth
Speaker 1: incorporated the canyon more. I think that was definitely Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think the seventeenth. That green is really neat. It's
Speaker 1: a long, narrow green that's set right on the canyon.
Speaker 1: If you play your t shot up the right side,
Speaker 1: do you have a really nice shot into there.
Speaker 2: But if you play up the left, just like the
Speaker 2: what we.
Speaker 1: Talked about with the thirteenth at Pacific Dunes, you have
Speaker 1: to take on kind of the canyon and in your
Speaker 1: shot pattern.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think i'd I have to go
Speaker 3: with the seventeenth a sheep ranch too, but I'm not
Speaker 3: totally happy about it. I do think the seventeen that
Speaker 3: Bandon is sensational, maybe underrated, you know, because it comes
Speaker 3: right after the sixteenth, which is iconic.
Speaker 2: It's the best hole on the Bandon property. It's it's
Speaker 2: so good, and I think it would be sixteen or
Speaker 2: that it's.
Speaker 3: It's maybe maybe you can say it's like the best
Speaker 3: design hole at Bandon Dunes, because it might be. It
Speaker 3: just uses the ravine to perfection and the green is fantastic.
Speaker 3: So the other reason I'm unhappy with with having to
Speaker 3: choose one hole is that there are two great options
Speaker 3: for a par three seventeenth. The seventeenth Abandoned Trails, which
Speaker 3: is just absolutely gorgeous in the same way that five is,
Speaker 3: but maybe more so, and then the seventeenth at Pacific Dunes,
Speaker 3: which is suddenly revealed to you as you go up
Speaker 3: from the sixteenth green and is a Redan like but
Speaker 3: not really a Radan whole. It's its own thing, but beautiful.
Speaker 3: Part three. Are we on to eighteen. Yeah, so the opposite.
Speaker 1: Yeah again, week week choices. I don't I really don't
Speaker 1: know what to do here. I don't think that there's a
Speaker 1: great one.
Speaker 3: It's a it's a it's Old Mac.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, it is Old Mac.
Speaker 3: That's a really good hole.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Old Mac is without a doubt, the best
Speaker 1: fall best eighteenth hole.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a it's an absolute trouncing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, long par four. Hey, look at that.
Speaker 1: We're we're part thirty five. We're seventy two parseeventy two.
Speaker 3: With like two par three's.
Speaker 5: No, like Saint Andrews one, there's no part fives in
Speaker 5: the back?
Speaker 3: Wait?
Speaker 2: Were there only one par part three?
Speaker 3: There was only one Part three one.
Speaker 2: Part three one part five?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no no. We did eleven at Pacific Dunes, right, yeah,
Speaker 3: then we did twelve Abandoned. Oh yeah, so we have
Speaker 3: three we have back to back.
Speaker 2: For three par seventy one.
Speaker 4: Well, if we use the Sheep Ranch model, then eighteen
Speaker 4: at Old Mac is a part five.
Speaker 1: Yeah, eighteen eighteen and Old Mac punch Bowl Awesome.
Speaker 2: It's almost a double punching ball.
Speaker 3: Yeah. It's like this little room with three different doors
Speaker 3: that go into it. One of the doors goes out
Speaker 3: toward the clubhouse, but there is a right gap between
Speaker 3: the mounds that surround the green, and there's a left gap,
Speaker 3: and I think you really could run it up through
Speaker 3: that left gap and down the slope toward a right pin. Now,
Speaker 3: I've only seen the pin on the right. I honestly
Speaker 3: don't know if they regularly put pins up on the
Speaker 3: left or if they even can, but it seems like
Speaker 3: the main thing is to have the pin down to
Speaker 3: the right and to offer that opportunity to kind of
Speaker 3: sling it around the right entrance down to those right
Speaker 3: pin locations, which are really cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I mean that gap that you're talking about
Speaker 4: in the mounds is just such a cool little window
Speaker 4: as your water. You're say, you hit the ball on
Speaker 4: the left edge of the green and it's cutting, and
Speaker 4: you just it goes behind that mound and you're just
Speaker 4: waiting for it to come into the window to that
Speaker 4: right pin, and if it doesn't come, then you know,
Speaker 4: you got a really tough two putt. But if it does,
Speaker 4: then all of a sudden you're looking at Birdie on
Speaker 4: what's a very long, difficult part for.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, for sure, it's a great hole, but we're
Speaker 3: mentioning the other ones. You know, in general, the eighteenth
Speaker 3: holes that at abandoned Dunes are not up to the
Speaker 3: level of the rest of them.
Speaker 2: Honorable mention.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the that's the difficulty. I think.
Speaker 2: I go trails trails, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. You know, the drives kind of
Speaker 3: end up in similar spots. I guess it's great ground.
Speaker 3: It's really great ground.
Speaker 1: Eighteen packed Dunes is on great ground. I'm not a
Speaker 1: big huge fan of the green.
Speaker 4: I think we were talking about it earlier. I think
Speaker 4: if that bunker on the left off the tee at
Speaker 4: pac Dunes was more carriable and you got like a
Speaker 4: distinct advantage, that would make it a really cool Part five.
Speaker 3: Is sheep ranch? Should you know?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: Decent? You don't. You don't like it's a part four five? Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, is that the main problem with it?
Speaker 2: It's a cool hole.
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a big advantage for going up
Speaker 1: the left there. I think that's a neat hole. The
Speaker 1: greens really interesting.
Speaker 3: So this is these are not really honorable mentions.
Speaker 4: They are mentions there, so they're mentioned dishonorable mentions.
Speaker 3: We're mentioning we're mentioning the eighteenth of Sheep Ranch. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: eighteenth eighteenth the trails I can be convinced of that.
Speaker 3: We have mostly just to complete the dream eighteen, which
Speaker 3: we've just done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's over.
Speaker 1: I think one thing I wanted to talk about just
Speaker 1: in general, that I should have talked about at the top.
Speaker 1: The green speeds abandoned dunes are delightful. They are not fast,
Speaker 1: they're the right speed. I saw pins in places that
Speaker 1: I hadn't seen them like all year because the speeds
Speaker 1: were right, Like on slopes that I had never seen.
Speaker 1: You know, I had putch just ripping across holes that
Speaker 1: made putting really really difficult. The green speeds at bandoned
Speaker 1: dunes is what every club should be striving for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Well they'll wrap it up.
Speaker 1: We'll be back with we'll have debriefs on every course
Speaker 1: in the coming weeks. And it's been just a delightful
Speaker 1: week here, really fun.
Speaker 2: Today's podcast was edited by Meg Atkins. Thank you Meg.
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