1 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:08,799 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius x M Triumph 2 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: Channel one thirty two. Atlanta police say it doesn't make 3 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: sense why this scientist with a sixth of your job 4 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: at the CDC would just vanish. Timothy Cunningham's a Harvard 5 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: educated epidemic intelligence officer. Colleagues at the CDC say he 6 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: went home sick on February twelve and was never seen again. 7 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 1: His car, keys, wallet, credit card, phone, and even his 8 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: dog were found locked inside his house. There is a 9 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 1: lot that I cannot simply explore this. This is an 10 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 1: extremely unusual set of circumstances. It is not common and 11 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: missing person cases for us to find someone's entire blong. 12 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: Police are searched the home, jail, hospitals, even a nearby cemetery. 13 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: This week they helped to research a wooded area near 14 00:00:53,400 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: this scientists neighborhood. Are you awake? Are you away? Mom? 15 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:09,759 Speaker 1: Are you awake? Seemingly the very last text message sent 16 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: by a c d C doctor to his mother and 17 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: then he vanishes into thin air? But what happened? I 18 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: Meancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being 19 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: with us. The search is on as heart broken parents 20 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 1: to this missing c d C star want answers. Tim 21 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: Cunningham asked his mom early, early in the morning, Mom, 22 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: are you awake? That's the kind of thing that you 23 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 1: send to your parents or to your loved one or 24 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: the closest person to you when you have something you 25 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: want to talk to them about. Hey, are you awake? 26 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: And if you are, then I want to talk to 27 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: you about something that's commonly how that has perceived well, 28 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:57,919 Speaker 1: that urgent text, mom are you awake? Is the last 29 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: time anyone has scene heard from no of Tim Cunningham, 30 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 1: a bright star at the Center for Disease Control at 31 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: a time when the c d C is on the 32 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: forefront of so many volatile issues. With me right now. 33 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: Dr William Moroney, renowned medical examiner and author of a 34 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: brand new book on Amazon, American narcan, George Siro, forensics expert, 35 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: and Robin Willinski, investigative reporter with w s B on 36 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: the scene. Robin, let's start at the beginning. What do 37 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: we know? Here's the thing, Nancy. Timothy Cunningham is thirty 38 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: five years old, and he was an epidemiologist at the 39 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 1: CDC and Shambly, Georgia, and by all accounts he's a 40 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: really good guy. Break it, yeah, Robin will Lynsky, I 41 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 1: know the way epidemiologists just trips off your tongue, but 42 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: not everybody knows what that is us. Well, he was 43 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: involved in, you know, the study analysis of diseases in 44 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: certain populations, how diseases affect whites versus how diseases affort 45 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: affect black people. And he was very involved in this, 46 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: and he was up for a promotion at his job. 47 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: By all accounts, he lived in his own house by himself. 48 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: He had an suv. He has a beautiful, adorable dog 49 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: by the name of Bou Bou Jangles. And friends tell 50 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: me who I've spoken to that were very close to him, 51 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: that he was an all around good guy with a big, 52 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: wide smile on his face, very handsome man. Five eleven 53 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: two town right now, Robin Willinski and somebody's parents put 54 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: all pumped a lot of money into that mouth of his, 55 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: because he has got the most beautiful, the widest it 56 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: looks like a picket fence smile. I know, I just 57 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: got the twins brices off. And let me tell you 58 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: I had to do a keepon book for that. Um. 59 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: You know how our parents used to pay the mortgage 60 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: with the Q pop book. Yeah, that's not the kind 61 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: of thing you just chunked down. One check four. I'm 62 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: looking at this guy, this guy Tim Cunningham, and he's 63 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: everything Robin Willinsky is describing. He's got he's in his 64 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: suv and this shot it looks like it could be 65 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: a selfie maybe, And he's got a big smile, happy, 66 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: beautiful brown eyes, a loving family. And now I'm looking 67 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 1: at all of the missing flyers that have been attached 68 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: to trees and telephone poles, all in my old neighborhood. 69 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 1: I lived right by the c d C for a 70 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: period of time, Robin Willinsky, when I was prosecuting in 71 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: inner City Atlanta. Then, um, it was too far away 72 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: from the courthouse, and I would have to be at 73 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: the courthouse at the drop of the hat, so I 74 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 1: moved even closer. But this is near the c d C. 75 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: And I'm looking at everything we know. Are you awake? 76 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 1: That text is confounding to me. At five one a m. 77 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 1: He is a noted epidemiologist, noted and if you don't 78 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: know about the c d C Center for Disease Control, 79 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: it's been at the forefront of the flu zeka Um 80 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: s t D s all types of life threatening ailments 81 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:36,559 Speaker 1: and this guy as one of their shining stars. What 82 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: else do we know Robin Walinski, Well, we know that 83 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: he was up for a promotion and this this was 84 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: taking place right before Valentine's Day. I was with the 85 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: police Major Michael O'Connor with Atlanta p D the other day. 86 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: He had sort of had an open Q and a 87 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 1: question and answer with the media because there's been so 88 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 1: much press about this gentleman Timothy Conningham who's missing. And 89 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: I asked, what was he in a relationship? Uh, they 90 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: do not believe he was involved in any sort of 91 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 1: love triangle or anything like that. Two days, the Thursday 92 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: and Friday before he was to have this meeting, he 93 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: calls out sick Thursday, calls out sick Friday. The weekend 94 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: goes by. He texts his mother the timeline five o'clock 95 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,359 Speaker 1: in the morning, are you awake? He goes into the 96 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: office in the seven am hour, he calls his sister. 97 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: He meets with his superiors at the CDC, finds out 98 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 1: he's not getting this promotion. Co workers say that he 99 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: was upset, as you would be if you're not getting 100 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: the promotion and then at in the nine o'clock hour, 101 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: early in the nine am hour, there is a twenty 102 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: second call the police major told me to the mother, 103 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 1: to his mom again that does not go through to 104 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: her phone. You know how sometimes you dial on the 105 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: cell phone, you dial out, but the other person doesn't 106 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: receive eve the call. There's a twenty second call to 107 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: his mother's cell phone that she never receives and from 108 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: that point he's gone. Guys, what has become of this 109 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: Harvard grad? This guy worked on the Ebola and Zeka teams, 110 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: putting his own life at risk to help other people. 111 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: Perfectly stable, young, good looking, great job. The last person 112 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: we know he reached out to is his mother. Right now, 113 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: his parents begging for his return. Very close with his family. 114 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: And this is what is very intriguing to Dr William Moroney, 115 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: medical examiner and author of a brand new book. You 116 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: can find it on Amazon. Like me, American Narcan you know? 117 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: Dr Maroney? When we are looking at cause of death, 118 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: often medical examiners take into account not only what they 119 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: see on the body, but the surrounding circumstances that they 120 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: can confirm. I can tell you this much, Dr Moroney. 121 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: His family reports him missing. Tim Cunningham. Valuables that he 122 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: cared about are left behind his suv, his wallet, his phone, 123 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: and his puppy bow. These are situational um environmental facts 124 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: that don't make sense. They don't add up. He was 125 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: taken away in haste, and I mean taken away, because 126 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: you don't leave these things and go there's something wrong here, 127 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: and if it's related to his state of mind after 128 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: the not being promoted, whether it's a conspiracy related issue 129 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: or a professional opportunity, that he discovered something that he 130 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 1: can't go public with and he had to leave things 131 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: because he didn't want to be traced. Those are the 132 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: two things that are most likely. Either that he was 133 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: taken away in haste sometimes security forces, um national security agencies, 134 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 1: or he needed to drop off the grid. Drop off 135 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: the grid. Don't you leave a trail, whether you want 136 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: to or not. With me. Dr William Moroney, medical examiner, 137 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 1: an author of American Narcan, Robin Willinsky, reporter, WSB. Also 138 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: with me, George Escira, forensics expert. I mean, George, I'm looking. 139 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: I'm looking at his home, which is gorgeous. It's a 140 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:58,079 Speaker 1: two story yellow uh yellow boarded home with green shutters. 141 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: The yard is a mac The home looks like it's 142 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: just been painted and reroofed um. It's a sidewalk in 143 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: front of it. It's like, you know, a dream an 144 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: American dream home. Okay, so like a family hunt. There's 145 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: his suv, his burgundy colored suv parked in his garage, 146 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: which I might also add as completely immaculate. There's his 147 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:27,959 Speaker 1: dog Bow. I mean, everything is in order. His family, 148 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: his mom and dad have driven down from Maryland. There 149 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 1: in his house right now, everything's there, but Timmy two 150 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: George Skiro forensics expert, what kind of trail could he 151 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:46,599 Speaker 1: possibly have left behind? Well, the investigation ground zero is 152 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: going to be his house, and at his house, they're 153 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: going to be looking at what type of perhaps electronic 154 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: footprint he's left through uh, computers, social media. His phone 155 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:00,839 Speaker 1: evidently was left behind, and that's where they investigation is 156 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: going to start. And that's where they're gonna branch out 157 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: from there and check the surrounding area because obviously we 158 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,439 Speaker 1: know he left his vehicle behind, he left his keys behind. 159 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: He couldn't have gone too far unless he had some 160 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: assistance or was with someone. Uh So I'm assuming that 161 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: they're examining all of the video, any videos in the area, 162 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: and he checking any wooded areas, and he parks any 163 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 1: bodies of water things like that to see if they 164 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: can if they can locate this very important doctor. Police 165 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: are holding onto Jim Cunningham's phone. Guys, this is not 166 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,079 Speaker 1: the kind of guy that just drops off the map. 167 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: He graduated from a distinguished college, more House and Harvard University. 168 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: That's no cake walk. First of all, you can hardly 169 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 1: get in number one, and then once you do get 170 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: in it it's very a very difficult course of study. 171 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: This guy is, as I said, an alumni more House 172 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 1: in Harvard. But also we're is a commander for the U. 173 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 1: S Public Health Service. Right now, we know that he 174 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: has been working on highly sensitive cases and he had 175 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: worked on Zeka, he had worked on Ebola, putting his 176 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: life before others. What is he working on right now? 177 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:27,199 Speaker 1: I find it very very perplexing that he left behind 178 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: his cell phone. Let's go right now to a police 179 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: press conference. So. Dr Cunningham is an epidemiologist and the 180 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: Chronic Disease Unit at the cdc UM. He last reported 181 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: to work on Monday, February twelve. While on his way 182 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: to work. At about approximately zero seven fifteen, he would call. 183 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: He calls his sister UM and speaks to her briefly. 184 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 1: He arrives at work, and when he arrives at work, 185 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: he meets with his supervisor and the purpose of that 186 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: meeting was to explain a promotion that that he did 187 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: not receive eve to branch manager. He had been informed 188 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: and formed the previous Monday that he was not getting 189 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: the promotion, but the explanation occurred on the morning of 190 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: the twelfth, shortly after the meeting, explaining that he tells 191 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: the supervisor that he's not feeling particularly well, he had 192 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: actually called in sick the two previous work days and 193 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: decides to go home. While going home, the last known 194 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 1: phone call that he makes occurs at zero nine twelve 195 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 1: hours and he calls his mother while traveling home from 196 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: the c d C. We believe the call is missed. 197 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 1: She does not receive a call, and he does not. 198 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: He does not leave a voicemail. We presume, and I'll 199 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: explain why. We presume that he drives home from the 200 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: c d C and his cars parked in in the 201 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: garage at his residence. UM. That's the last time anybody 202 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 1: sees or hears from him, is that that it was 203 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: basically at that point, his family tries, over a period 204 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: of time to call him. They don't receive any answer. 205 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: They then call a relative of the mothers who has 206 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: a key to the home, who goes by to check 207 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 1: on the house. He comes over, he finds the houses 208 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: been secured, but there are two upstairs bedroom or windows 209 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: that are open, one to a bathroom and one to 210 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: a laundry a laundry room. Um. But they were on 211 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: the upper level and it appeared as if everything else 212 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 1: was in order, and the and the windows may have 213 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: been left open because he had a dog that was 214 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: inside of the residence. Um. The relative reports that to 215 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: the parents. They abviolually become somewhat concerned because now they 216 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: haven't heard from him, and they decided to make the 217 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: drive at some point Tuesday afternoon or evening down from Maryland. 218 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: They arrive approximately at zero seven thirty hours in the 219 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: morning of the fourteenth, which is the Wednesday, and by 220 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: zero nine thirty they have dialed nine one one to 221 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: report Dr Cunningham missing. UM. The most unusual factor in 222 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: this case is that every single belonging that we are 223 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: aware of was located in the residence. So his keys, 224 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: his cell phone, credit cards, depit cards, wallet, all his 225 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: identification passports, anything you could and of we've been able 226 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: to locate. None of those items are missing. So what 227 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: have we done from that point forward. Well, obviously we 228 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: created immediate blow and we released that information to you 229 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: that he was a missing person. We've processed his home, 230 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: We've canvassed the neighborhood. We've searched the immediate wooded area 231 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: around his house with a dog. We've checked local hospitals 232 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: and jails. We so searched the cemetery Crest Lawn, which 233 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: is nearby his home. We've gotten with the CDC and 234 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: we've gone through and made sure that his government credit 235 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: cards aren't being used. We've looked at the browser history 236 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: on his desktop computer at work to make sure there's 237 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: nothing suspicious on it. We've checked his swipe card activity. 238 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: We know the last time he clocked in or out 239 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: at the c d C. We've gone through his government 240 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: phone records to ensure that that phone is not in use, 241 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: and we've been provided some access to his email so 242 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: we know that nothing suspicious went back and forth on it. 243 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: We asked specifically whether the CDC felt that anything related 244 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: to his job would have contributed to this and they 245 00:15:57,920 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: did not believe so that they did notice. They did 246 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: note that he had been up for this promotion which 247 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: he did not receive, and obviously any to I think 248 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: any of us would agree that if you didn't receive 249 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: a promotion you thought you might get your somewhat disappointed. 250 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: But beyond that, we don't have any information that his 251 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: employment would lead to is being missing. Before I take 252 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: you back to the investigation into the disappearance of a 253 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: doctor at the CDC involved in very sensitive research, I 254 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: want to thank our partner making today's program on serious 255 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: sex possible. 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Check out check out legal 274 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: zoom dot com today legal Zoom where life meets legal 275 00:17:56,119 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: legal zoom dot Com. Thank you police. He lost out 276 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: on a promotion and learned why the morning he disappeared. 277 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: On his way home, they say, he calls his mother 278 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: in Maryland, but the call goes to voicemail. His family 279 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: is offering a ten dollar reward. This is not normal. 280 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 1: This is definitely out of the ordinary. It's not the 281 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: type of news you want to hear that your child 282 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: is missing. Straight back to the disappearance of Timothy Cunningham. 283 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 1: His parents distraught. They have driven from Maryland uh through 284 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 1: the night to get to his home and everything's there, 285 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: his dog, everything is perfectly in place in the home, 286 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: his wallet, his suv is parked in the garage, his 287 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: cell phone is there, everything is in place, but he 288 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: is gone. George Sciro, forensics expert, what's the first thing 289 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: police were doing in that home? The first thing that 290 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: they're doing is they're checking any of his electronic footprint, 291 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 1: his computer, checking his cell phone, probably downloading all the 292 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: data from that, and then hopefully they're fanning out from 293 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: there and checking any video that maybe of the street area, 294 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,919 Speaker 1: public transit videos, and any any things along lines of 295 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 1: bus stations and things like that. UM, that's how I 296 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 1: assume they're they're proceeding with the investigation. And to Dr 297 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:31,679 Speaker 1: William Moroney, medical examiner, author of American narcan on Amazon, 298 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: Dr Moroney, they say that they have done an extensive 299 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: search in the densely wooded area around and behind his home. 300 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: What could they possibly find there? What they'd be looking 301 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: for is a secondary crime scene. The primary crime scene 302 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: is where he disappeared. A secondary crime scene would be 303 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: a sign of struggle, a sign of um blood or 304 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: damaged full liliage to show there may have been vehicles 305 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: near the house that took non traditional access. He left. 306 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: He left somewhere and his vehicles in his house, So 307 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: somebody either took him out the front door or out 308 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 1: the back door, and that's what they need to look for. 309 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 1: And then you connect signs of a struggle, blood, clothing 310 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: and footprints. Now, Tim Cunningham was last seen in his uniform. Um, 311 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 1: he's highly decorated. I'm looking at him right now in 312 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:39,919 Speaker 1: his uniform, and police are saying he may have changed 313 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 1: into civilian clothing. But it seems to me that's an 314 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: obvious thing they should look for. George Skiro. If his 315 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: uniform isn't there, then he's in his uniform. If he's 316 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 1: not in his uniform, he's in civilian clothing. And I 317 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: want to know why he was last seen in his uniform. 318 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: That could tell me a lot. If he went to 319 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: his home after work, where what was he planning to do? Why? 320 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: Why would he change out of his uniform? And by uniform, 321 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,199 Speaker 1: I don't mean like a work uniform like you know 322 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 1: you were at McDonald's, I mean his military uniform. Why 323 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 1: why did he change? What was the reason that could 324 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: give me a lot of clues? George Skiro, that's correct, Um, 325 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 1: if he did change into civilian clothes, It may mean 326 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: that he has, uh, he wants to drop off the grid, 327 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: that he is, you know, trying to disappear um. Or 328 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:35,400 Speaker 1: it may mean that he just wanted to be essentially 329 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 1: not being able to be recognized as easily out on 330 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 1: the street, or something else. Let me go to Robin 331 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 1: Wolinski with w s B. There's a ten thousand dollar reward. 332 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 1: The tip line is four zero four four or five 333 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,640 Speaker 1: six four two three five repeat four oh four four 334 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 1: or five six four two three five. Robin Wilinsky with WSB, 335 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 1: he worked on highly insitive matters. Did he not? He did? 336 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 1: But it was very interesting that at the news conference 337 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 1: they said that the CDC and his work there was 338 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: not related to his disappearance. How they can rule that out, 339 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:14,719 Speaker 1: I don't know. But I have to tell you, Nancy. 340 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 1: The thing that's missing for me and all this is 341 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: where is this? And I asked us at the news conference, 342 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 1: where is the surveillance video at CDC. The entire compound 343 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: is on camera. Is he getting into his car alone 344 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: or is there someone else with him? I'm told there's 345 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: no cameras, no surveillance at his house, but there is 346 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:38,120 Speaker 1: definitely surveillance if he left in his car alone. There's 347 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: gonna be a picture of it with the license plate 348 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: and the suv And is there a second passenger in 349 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,439 Speaker 1: the seat in the back and the front. They have 350 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: yet to be able to tell me if he was 351 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: alone leaving the CDC. And where is that video? You know, 352 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: Robert Willinsky. The c d C is off the road. 353 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: It's a huge facility or Emmy University in Atlanta. But 354 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: there has actually been quite a bit of crime surrounding 355 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: that area, and it's on a bus route. What scares 356 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: me about that is it makes it harder to identify 357 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: who may be involved because people are coming and going 358 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 1: that are not connected to the area in any way, 359 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: like people that don't work at the c d C, 360 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 1: or that don't live in the area, or don't work 361 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: in the restaurants and the businesses that are all around 362 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: the c d C that support it. So we've you've 363 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: got an influx of unrelated people that as like looking 364 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: for a needle in a haystack. So that makes the 365 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 1: surveillance video all the more important as well as these 366 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: surveillance video along that street where there are numerous restaurants, uh, 367 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:55,439 Speaker 1: dry cleaners, banks, you name it. That support the huge 368 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: amount of people that work at the c d C. Also, 369 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: not number one to you been sky, but number two. 370 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: I don't know how the Hey, they can jump up 371 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: and say, oh, we know this is not related to 372 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: his research. They don't know that. They don't know that. 373 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 1: And I felt that there were a lot of there's 374 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: a lot of outstanding questions. There's also a report, Nancy, 375 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: I want to leave you with this that there is 376 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: a neighbor that claims that a male a female like 377 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: a couple. And the gentleman says that on Saturday before 378 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 1: the Monday that he goes missing. That the neighbor says, oh, 379 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: by the way, uh, this guy came to him and said, hey, 380 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: can you delete my phone number from your wife's cell phone? Now? 381 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 1: Why would you tell somebody to take my number out 382 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: of your directory, out of your contact lists in your phone? 383 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 1: That to me is a very suspicious nugget. Okay, that's 384 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: just odd. I don't mean weird, I mean odd in 385 00:24:56,040 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: a sense obscure. I don't believe I've ever in my life. Hey, 386 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: you had the time to go back to all contacts 387 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 1: and ask him to delete me from there. This is 388 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 1: a neighbor with him. They seemingly haven't had problems with him, 389 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,640 Speaker 1: no neighborhood feed or anything like that. Why in the 390 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:21,919 Speaker 1: world would he do that? Robin Wilinski, I think the 391 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 1: only thing that makes sense is is are you Are 392 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 1: you going off the grid, are you disappearing? Are you 393 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 1: in trouble? Do you feel that someone's gonna kidnap you? 394 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: Do you have secrets about the flu or the Bola 395 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,959 Speaker 1: virus or any of these other viruses. I mean, you know, 396 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 1: you hate to go all conspiracy theory, but what was 397 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: he thinking in his head? And then the other thing is, 398 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: you know, when you go to the most obvious, here's 399 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: someone who's a Harvard graduate at you know, my mother 400 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 1: has this expression, you know, if you don't bend your break. 401 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: Maybe he was just so distraught about the not getting 402 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 1: the promotion that he just took off and wanted to 403 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: be buying him. Wait wait, wait, wait a minute. I'm 404 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: sure there is not one person on this panel right 405 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: now or somebody even listening that hasn't gotten the boot. 406 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 1: I remember the first time I got fired. Let me 407 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: just start with that. It was in law school and 408 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 1: I was working at a sandwich shop, Zed's Sandwich shop, 409 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: and I had the most horrible hours, and I was 410 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 1: violating every rule of safety. First, I would sit at 411 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: zed sandwich shop until ten or eleven o'clock at night, 412 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 1: working alone in its trips center where everything else had closed, okay, 413 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: and studying for law school. And I would get so 414 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 1: absent minded during exams. I remember one dentist came through 415 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 1: every day and wanted the number four. I think it 416 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: was turkey, this and that, and two days in a row, 417 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 1: I gave him nothing but cheese because I was just 418 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 1: so thinking about my exams. Finally, I said, look, I've 419 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: got to study for these exams. As much as I 420 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 1: love my career here at the sandwich shop, mopping and 421 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 1: cleaning the bathrooms at night and yes, washing my hands 422 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:13,199 Speaker 1: before I made sandwiches, Um, I'm gonna have to study 423 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: for at least the next week to get through exams. 424 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: And they fired me so obviously I was not a 425 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: valued member of the sandwich making team. Okay, that was 426 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 1: the first time I've been fired. So you know, Dgr 427 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: William Moroney, George skiro let me go to Maroney first. 428 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: Dgr Moroney, You've seen a lot of dead bodies, as 429 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 1: have I. I mean, if somebody committed suicide every time 430 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,920 Speaker 1: they got fired, for Pete, say, would all be dead? Moroney, 431 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 1: you're so awesome. Have you ever been fired ever? At 432 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: least every five to seven years on a regular It's human, 433 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: you know. And if I wasn't fired, I was told 434 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: that I wasn't going to go anywhere and I should 435 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: look for some other kind of job. Um, you know, 436 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: And I think you're talents to be better suited not here, 437 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: something like that. Okay, So it's not just me. I 438 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 1: had a dean of a medical school tell me that 439 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: he didn't want addiction patients in the lobby of the clinic. 440 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 1: And I said, they're here, you just don't know who 441 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: they are. And he said, you're never going to be 442 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,160 Speaker 1: assistant dean, Dr Brooni. You know, I thank god you're not. 443 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:31,159 Speaker 1: Thank you Lord. So I've gotta put I've got to 444 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: put that in my next book. You're never going to 445 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: be assistant Dan. Okay. Yeah. So he obviously began to 446 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: position and stage things he knew something was up, and 447 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: the fact that he left so many things behind that 448 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: could be tracked on GPS that just leads you to 449 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,719 Speaker 1: say he's either knowing something's coming and he's gonna do 450 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 1: something or he's worried for his own safety. And at 451 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 1: one point I reported fraud to the attorney general in 452 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: my state about a federally qualified health center, and I said, 453 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: do I become a whistle blower because they tell you 454 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: stand up for your taxpayers, do what you need to do. 455 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: And I had somebody come to me from the Attorney 456 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: General's office from the state and say, if you become 457 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: a whistle blower on this clinic, they're gonna take your 458 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 1: head off, duck turn walk away and forget everything you 459 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: saw and do something else. Moved to another city. Whistle 460 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: you believe the whistle anyway, and got fired. Yeah, okay, 461 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: all right, let me just want Let me win up here, 462 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: or try to anyway. So when I was still a prosecutor, 463 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: I guess i'd been putting away the bad guys for 464 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: I don't know how many years, and a judge ship 465 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: cape open and my now husband said, you know, you 466 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: should really try to get on the bench. And I'm like, okay, 467 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: I'll try. So you had to submit all this information 468 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: and go for um an interview, and I'll never forget 469 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: there is a you know about this Robin Lensky. There 470 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 1: is a lawyer's newspaper, you know, like business. There's like 471 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: you know, business chronicles. There's a little I legal newspaper. 472 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: And the defense bar got together and wrote a scathing 473 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: for front page article about why I should not be 474 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: a judge ever, and had the most unflattering picture ever 475 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: of me screaming at a defendant in court like I 476 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: was about to attack him. That was the picture. It 477 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 1: was horrible, and I, needless to say, I did not 478 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: make judge. But I remember about a year later my 479 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 1: now husband said, I was in the courthouse today for 480 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 1: jury duty, and I saw it was a woman I 481 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: had prosecuted with that made judge several years before, and 482 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: she was asleep on the bench. She had dozed off, 483 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 1: and she was an incredible prosecutor and one of the 484 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: brightest people I know. Frankly, and he said, aren't you 485 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 1: glad you didn't You didn't make it. You'd be asleep 486 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: up there right now too. And I thought about it, 487 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 1: and sometime firing or getting the boot is not necessarily 488 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: a bad thing. So in this case, I don't know, 489 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 1: just because he got passed over by a promotion that 490 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: is necessarily a bad thing to George Skira, forensics expert. 491 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: Don't you think that there would be some indication of 492 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: a suicide if that had happened. Um, it's very possible, 493 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: and it's and we don't know if you know, if 494 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: that was part of if he voluntarily left, if that's 495 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: something that was on his mind, because evidently he had 496 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: some professional and personal issues that brought up, um and 497 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 1: again being passed over for his promotion, and we can't 498 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 1: exclude that pop stability. Yeah, right now, we don't know 499 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 1: enough to really exclude anything. Robert Wellinski have been working 500 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: on some highly sensitive issues like ZEKA, like Ebo LA 501 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 1: that have really worldwide implications, but particularly for our country 502 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 1: as well as immigration issues. Yeah, because he was the 503 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: person who was studying how these diseases affect different uh populations, 504 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 1: So you're studying how the flu affects a black man, 505 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 1: how it affects white women, how it affects children. So 506 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: how that they can say that he wasn't working on 507 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 1: sensitive material. To me, that makes no sense at all, 508 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: because he was working on all of these things in 509 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 1: my mind that are sensitive. Did he have access to 510 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 1: any kind of government secrets? Uh? Is there something that 511 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: he knew that that's true, that's not out there in 512 00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 1: the public. Can I just storia? I get And I'm 513 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: not a conspiracy person, Robin, as you know, because I 514 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 1: think typically people can't keep their pie holes shut, so 515 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: you can't really have a conspiracy or they'll blab about it. 516 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: There's no doubt in my mind. And I'm a diet 517 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: in the whole anti conspiracy theorist, There's no doubt in 518 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: my mind that there is a trove of an avalanche 519 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: of highly sensitive information regarding Zekea and Ebola that have 520 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: been kept from US. I guarantee you that when you 521 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: see people in moon suits at the immigration offices, you 522 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: know there's something bad wrong right there. Okay, now I 523 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: don't know what it is. It's what I said. It's 524 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: a great point. I'd also like to know why was 525 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 1: he passed over for the promotion? And I've asked that 526 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 1: question over and over and over again. Why was this 527 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: gentleman Harvard grad, brilliant doctor by by what everybody says, 528 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 1: really at splint, at his job, at his work, why 529 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 1: was he passed over for the promotion? Nobody can tell me. Well, 530 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 1: according to the parents, his father, uh Mr Cunningham says, quote, 531 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: there were some exchanges via phone and text that alerted 532 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: me to be concerned about our son, but he did 533 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: not specify what they were. The sudden disappearance of Tim 534 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 1: Cunningham Doctor Cunningham is surreal and heartbreaking for his family, 535 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:40,360 Speaker 1: including his parents, his brother, convinced that Tim would not 536 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: just walk away from an awesome job, a beautiful home, 537 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 1: a dog, a community, a family. This thirty five year 538 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 1: old Moorhouse and Harvard grad is an epidemiologist at the 539 00:34:53,960 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: c d C, highly decorated and dealing with highly sensitive matters. 540 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,760 Speaker 1: There is a go fund Me page for a reward. 541 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 1: It's up to twenty three thousand dollars a reward to 542 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:16,719 Speaker 1: locate Dr Tim Cunningham. And if you look online and 543 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 1: you see his beautiful brown eyes and that beautiful smile 544 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 1: of his, the tip line please contact four zero four 545 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 1: five four six four two three f Tim Cunningham. Where 546 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:36,759 Speaker 1: are you? Man with beautiful sky blue eyes and a 547 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:41,800 Speaker 1: gorgeous smile? Hather a Lotlier one of the biggest stars 548 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 1: all the way through the eighties and nineties and still 549 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 1: just as gorgeous. What happened? How in the world is 550 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 1: she booked for attacking police officers and nearly biting the 551 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 1: nose off her boyfriend. You heard me right, biting the 552 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:06,920 Speaker 1: nose off her boyfriend. Right, Okay, I need Alexis dress 553 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 1: chuck rightar online dot Com investigative reporter Alexis, please tell 554 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 1: me I'm wrong. I would love to do that, but 555 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:18,239 Speaker 1: I cannot. Heather Lockleyer was got any fight in her 556 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 1: home on Sunday night with her boyfriend Chris Heiser. They 557 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,320 Speaker 1: have been dating about a year. She has been really 558 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:27,839 Speaker 1: and I want to say the Heather off there also 559 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:29,840 Speaker 1: is one of my favorite actresses. I love her. I 560 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,320 Speaker 1: love Melrose Place actually worked in the building where they filmed, well, 561 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: where they pretended they filmed Nero's Place, D and D advertising. 562 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 1: I love her, but she has just as someone told 563 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 1: us the other day, she has been struggling with inner 564 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:46,759 Speaker 1: demons lately. So she gets any huge working out your 565 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:48,879 Speaker 1: enter demons. But do you have to buy somebody's nose 566 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 1: off to do it? Apparently? Yes, Yes, apparently you do 567 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,440 Speaker 1: have to buy somebody's nose off. Okay, Alexis, I'm not 568 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 1: buying that. And let me just say the tip of 569 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 1: his nose was still attack to his body, so it's 570 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 1: not technically bitten off completely. Just let's just start at 571 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,279 Speaker 1: the beginning. Go ahead. So Sunday evening, Heather Locklear was 572 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,759 Speaker 1: at her home. Her home by the way, her beautiful 573 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 1: mansion that she lives in and she gets is Thousand Oaks, 574 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 1: um Alan do. Where is Thousand Oaks in California? That's 575 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 1: where she lives. It's up the one oh one past 576 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:32,399 Speaker 1: Calabasas where the Kardashians live, probably another ten miles from there, 577 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 1: so it's pretty far out. Okay, go ahead, Sorry, that 578 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 1: was just a curious question. Go ahead. And it's a 579 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:43,799 Speaker 1: very wealthy suburb of Los Angeles. Um. She and her 580 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,280 Speaker 1: boyfriend get in a fight, a huge fight, and they 581 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 1: startled on hold on, sorry, Alexis, we just got the 582 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:56,799 Speaker 1: nine one one call. Take a listen. I did disturbance. 583 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 1: Just rives her VOICEOD. Okay, alex it's go ahead, sorry 584 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 1: thought okay, So have they and her boyfriend getting to fight? 585 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 1: It is actually, as you just heard on the call, 586 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 1: it's her brother that calls the police because he is 587 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,920 Speaker 1: so worried that these two are fighting so much and 588 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 1: she is attacking him. She she's really what they're saying 589 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: is she was out of control, angry, and they assumed 590 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 1: that she was actually going to do serious physical harm 591 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,920 Speaker 1: in him. But she she's about five ft and probably 592 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,880 Speaker 1: weighs a hundred pounds, soaking wet, so it seems a 593 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,799 Speaker 1: bit extreme. Well that's not that's just the tip of 594 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,920 Speaker 1: the iceberg. Because apparently, and when cops arrived at her home, 595 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 1: they see a mark on the boyfriend's body and decided 596 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,160 Speaker 1: to take her head their law clear, into custody for 597 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 1: domestic violence. But as they were trying to handcuff her, 598 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:54,040 Speaker 1: the mail Rose play star allegedly kicks and strikes the 599 00:38:54,040 --> 00:39:00,480 Speaker 1: three officers, calling one of the female officers, well, as 600 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:07,240 Speaker 1: see you blank tea, that's bad, okay number one, alexis 601 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,840 Speaker 1: just the whole binding the nose off the boyfriend. But 602 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 1: then when you attack police, you're begging to get arrested 603 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 1: and call a lady cop that, Yeah, you're gonna get booked. 604 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,359 Speaker 1: You're about to have a brand new mug shot. You're 605 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,240 Speaker 1: exactly right. I mean, she got completely out of control 606 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,839 Speaker 1: with the cops. They were physically trying to drag her 607 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 1: out of her house, and she was fighting them every 608 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,080 Speaker 1: step of the way because they saw her boyfriend, so 609 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,000 Speaker 1: they were going to take her into custody, and she did. 610 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,359 Speaker 1: She she lunges at the cops. She screams the Sea 611 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:42,520 Speaker 1: word at them, and they arrest her. Then they take 612 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:48,319 Speaker 1: Heather down to jail. The boyfriend leaves Heather's house, drives away, 613 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,880 Speaker 1: gets pulled over by the police. He gets a d 614 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,720 Speaker 1: u I. So he was not in any better condition 615 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,160 Speaker 1: than Heather was. She's had a tough time, had a 616 00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,800 Speaker 1: lot clear Mary twice, first to the Motley Crew drummer 617 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:06,239 Speaker 1: Tommy Lee and then to bon Jovi guitarist Richie Sambora. 618 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:11,440 Speaker 1: She had a daughter, Eva, is that correct? And she 619 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:16,400 Speaker 1: had two very tough marriages. They break up. Then she 620 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:20,600 Speaker 1: has one relationship with a Melrose Place star, Jack Wagner. 621 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,960 Speaker 1: They were together for a while, that broke up. And 622 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,879 Speaker 1: now this this guy was her high school sweetheart. From 623 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,719 Speaker 1: what I understand now, it's alleged that there have been 624 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,799 Speaker 1: many d uise and problems with prescription drugs. Is that 625 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,160 Speaker 1: the genesis of all this alexis That is what her 626 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,960 Speaker 1: family members are saying, Yes, that she has been dealing 627 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,760 Speaker 1: with a substance abuse issue, that they're been prescription drugs 628 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,279 Speaker 1: and alcohol and that this is what is contributing to 629 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:52,440 Speaker 1: her insane behad straight out to Joe Scott Morgan, forensics 630 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:56,680 Speaker 1: expert Professor Forensics at Jacksonvia State University. Jo Scott, I 631 00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:02,760 Speaker 1: mean between alcohol and prescription drugs. Wow, she she's in trouble. 632 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 1: But that is not going to be a defense at law. 633 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:06,759 Speaker 1: But how could it be used and how can it 634 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 1: be determined that that was the root of the problem 635 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,920 Speaker 1: in the middle of all this brawl in her home. Yeah, 636 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:18,920 Speaker 1: that she's she's so uh, you know, disconnected from reality 637 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 1: as a result of this chemical storm she's got going 638 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,320 Speaker 1: on in her body. But hey, you know what chemical 639 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,520 Speaker 1: storm has been going on for a long time. Based 640 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,920 Speaker 1: upon a lot of these reports, she's got multiple d 641 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,040 Speaker 1: u I s. You know, who knows what else she's taking. 642 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,360 Speaker 1: I do know that she did assault a police officer. 643 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,520 Speaker 1: It's one. It's one thing. You know, you can engage 644 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,239 Speaker 1: in this behavior in your house. Uh, you know, who 645 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,680 Speaker 1: knows what was going on. Boyfriend's drunk, she's drunk, police 646 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,080 Speaker 1: show up, you get abusive with them. And one thing 647 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:50,080 Speaker 1: that wasn't mentioned, Yeah, she screamed, uh you know, uh, 648 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,960 Speaker 1: you know, she the C word at this female cop. 649 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,239 Speaker 1: She also scored a groin shot with her foot to 650 00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,759 Speaker 1: one of the police male police officers that was there 651 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,920 Speaker 1: as well. So this is not gonna This is not 652 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,479 Speaker 1: gonna go well for her, particularly if they appear before 653 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:08,120 Speaker 1: judge that you know doesn't take kindly to people assaulting 654 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,680 Speaker 1: the police. Plus she's been downage Road multiple times. I 655 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,239 Speaker 1: just you know, I'm not an attorney, obviously, but I 656 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:18,640 Speaker 1: just gotta tell you, based upon my backgrounding investigations, this, 657 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,360 Speaker 1: this generally does not go well into court when you 658 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,839 Speaker 1: have a person that appears multiple times. Here's the thing, 659 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:28,960 Speaker 1: Troice Layton, l a defense attorney. As far as beating 660 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:33,480 Speaker 1: up the boyfriend, I guarantee you he'll probably drop charges. 661 00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:39,680 Speaker 1: Watch it unfold just like that. Do I think it's right? No, 662 00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:44,280 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think it's right. But well it happened, 663 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,960 Speaker 1: most likely, yes, and there won't be a darned thing 664 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:51,000 Speaker 1: the prosecutor can do about it. But attacking police officers, 665 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,960 Speaker 1: Troice Layton, I don't care how drunk you are or 666 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:59,080 Speaker 1: what prescription drug you have abused. That's a big in 667 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:05,319 Speaker 1: Cops show up to calm things down. Yes, I know 668 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,759 Speaker 1: there are a few bad cops out there. I know that, 669 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,200 Speaker 1: and they make everybody else and the justice system look 670 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:15,960 Speaker 1: bad and I hate them. But when cops show up 671 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:20,400 Speaker 1: at home, they are not signing up to getting kicked 672 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:25,240 Speaker 1: in the groin, attacked with misogynist slurs by another woman, 673 00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:31,000 Speaker 1: cursed out, spit on, bitten, the works. Uh No, those 674 00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,200 Speaker 1: charges must not be dropped. And I gotta tell you, 675 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,760 Speaker 1: I've always sided with her. They're a lot layer because 676 00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,760 Speaker 1: I felt that she was fighting an alcohol problem and 677 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,120 Speaker 1: she had had a tough time of it. But that 678 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,759 Speaker 1: is no excuse for attacking cops. I mean, this has 679 00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,399 Speaker 1: got to stop with her Nancy. From my perspective, there's 680 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,600 Speaker 1: a lot of things to unpack here. First of all, 681 00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:56,200 Speaker 1: since the O. J. Simpson case, when police respond to 682 00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:00,239 Speaker 1: a domestic violence incident, someone's going to jail. One of 683 00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,120 Speaker 1: the parties is going to jail if there is any 684 00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,800 Speaker 1: kind of evidence of anything. And what tiny red mark 685 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,560 Speaker 1: and someone's going to jail. So I don't really have 686 00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:13,600 Speaker 1: a problem with that. Was somebody going to jail if 687 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,720 Speaker 1: the victim, well, you say they're just coming to calm 688 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,239 Speaker 1: things down. You say they're just coming to calm things down. 689 00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,279 Speaker 1: But no, they're coming to bring someone to jail. And 690 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,879 Speaker 1: it was neither the victim nor the aggressor that called 691 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,360 Speaker 1: the police. It was Heather Locklear's brother. Oh yeah, you 692 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,080 Speaker 1: know what, You're right, because her boyfriend was too busy 693 00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,640 Speaker 1: trying to hold his nose on his face. Remember it 694 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,800 Speaker 1: was nearly bitten off. And you say he's going to 695 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,680 Speaker 1: drop the charges, Well, it's not up to him. Now. 696 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,680 Speaker 1: Once the police get involved, it's up to the prosecutor 697 00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,239 Speaker 1: to decide whether or not they want to contest. You 698 00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,640 Speaker 1: whether or not he's a willing witness. He there's no 699 00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:57,520 Speaker 1: boyfriend girlfriend privilege that would prevent him from being forced 700 00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,400 Speaker 1: testify against her. Well, you're right about that is up 701 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,640 Speaker 1: to the prosecutor. He does not have the power to 702 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,840 Speaker 1: drop charges. He does have the power to get on 703 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,200 Speaker 1: the stand and we can't that's what he can certainly 704 00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:13,000 Speaker 1: do that which practically speaking guts the state's prosecution, but 705 00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,120 Speaker 1: not so with the police. And also police can testify 706 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,080 Speaker 1: to what they saw that night. Yes, and Nancy, if 707 00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,400 Speaker 1: I was her attorney, I would certainly be looking to 708 00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:27,080 Speaker 1: work out a disposition that involved drug and alcohol treatment, 709 00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:31,800 Speaker 1: even residential rehabilitation in lieu of jail, and if she's 710 00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,680 Speaker 1: already had that, you know, she's already had treatment, and 711 00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:40,000 Speaker 1: she's already been to maybe four to five rehabs. And 712 00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,680 Speaker 1: when you kick a cop and call a lady cop 713 00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:49,200 Speaker 1: a misogynistic, that's not a prime. It's either time for 714 00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,640 Speaker 1: you to go to jail or start picking up trash 715 00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,479 Speaker 1: on the side of the road. It's not a crime 716 00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,759 Speaker 1: to call a cop the C word, however a born 717 00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,400 Speaker 1: it might be. If not a crime, I say it 718 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:01,840 Speaker 1: was a crime. I said she needs to go to 719 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,600 Speaker 1: jail or pick up trash. That's what I said. And 720 00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,600 Speaker 1: there's not a question in my mind that she did 721 00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,759 Speaker 1: say it, And there's not a question in my mind 722 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:13,920 Speaker 1: that she attacked the police officers physically in California. If 723 00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,319 Speaker 1: we can get a judge to order her, as a 724 00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,960 Speaker 1: condition of her oh R, her own recognizance release, or 725 00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,719 Speaker 1: as a condition of bail, to do some residential rehab, 726 00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,600 Speaker 1: then that means we get day for day credits towards 727 00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:31,960 Speaker 1: any eventual sentence. So that may be something strategically that 728 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,160 Speaker 1: we want to get going right at the beginning of 729 00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,920 Speaker 1: the kid But you know what, how many times Alexis 730 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:42,120 Speaker 1: torres check, how many times can the court with a 731 00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:48,920 Speaker 1: straight face order Betty Ford Center. You know, community service, 732 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:50,920 Speaker 1: but I mean how many times before is just a 733 00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,520 Speaker 1: big joke. Well, it is California, it is Los Angeles. 734 00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,640 Speaker 1: She has a celebrity, they can order it pretty much. 735 00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:00,400 Speaker 1: Four and fifty times celebrities get major special treatment in 736 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,279 Speaker 1: Los Angeles. All the cases I've covered, as long as 737 00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,960 Speaker 1: I've been covering, Heather Locklier for the last ten years, 738 00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,200 Speaker 1: has been in trouble. Never has she spent really more 739 00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:12,960 Speaker 1: than five seconds arrested this past weekend, It's endless. She 740 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,759 Speaker 1: can get. Look at Lindsay Lohan, which you covered with me. 741 00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,200 Speaker 1: You were the one leading the charges against Lindsay for 742 00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:23,399 Speaker 1: all those years, multiple rehab assignments, multiple and and well 743 00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,440 Speaker 1: you know, Alexis. I don't want to bring down a 744 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,600 Speaker 1: star or an icon. I don't care about. What I 745 00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:34,400 Speaker 1: care about is people being treated equally under the law. Okay. 746 00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:40,040 Speaker 1: If this had been a lower income, uneducated female that 747 00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:44,440 Speaker 1: the cops arrived and got kicked and cursed out that way, 748 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,840 Speaker 1: she would have been thrown down on the asphalt handcuff 749 00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,480 Speaker 1: and dragged the jail. She's still be sitting there right now. Correct, Okay, 750 00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:55,840 Speaker 1: because it's a Hollywood star, it's all different and with 751 00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:02,880 Speaker 1: that I disagree. Nancy Gray Crime Stories, signing off goodbye friend. 752 00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:04,480 Speaker 1: H