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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Polason, Gwenett County told General

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Speaker 1: twos Baron Peterson he's wanted in several states for the

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Speaker 1: same crime. This is thirty five year old John Hill,

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Speaker 1: a sharp dressed man who Gwenett County police say is

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Speaker 1: onmatch dot Com in late March and that the two

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Speaker 1: But shortly after the money was exchanged, He'll disappeared. Police

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Speaker 1: say they tracked him to a home in Duluth, where

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Speaker 1: And I'm saying house in air quoties, I mean as

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Speaker 1: he Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank you for being

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Speaker 1: with us. Please don't let it happen to you. And

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Speaker 1: I'm going to reveal to you how I was scammed once.

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Speaker 1: You were just hearing our friend Baron Peterson at WSB

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Speaker 1: the same crime you're hearing Officer Corporal Michelle Pierra talking

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Speaker 1: about this smooth, sharply dressed con guy the name John

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Speaker 1: Martin Hill. Of course, if you've ever had interactions with him,

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Speaker 1: it may be under a different name. Joining me in

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Speaker 1: all Star our paddle. Former FBI Supervisory Special Agent Jeff Cortez,

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Speaker 1: Randy Kessler, renowned defense attorney, author of Divorce Protect Yourself,

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Speaker 1: your kids, and your future. You can find them at

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Speaker 1: divorce protect dot com. Special guests joining us. Doctor Ryan Fuller,

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Speaker 1: clinical psychologist, and executive director New York Behavioral Health and

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Speaker 1: lecturer at NYU. Also right now, Debbie Montgomery Johnson, she

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Speaker 1: lost one million hold hold on Jackie sent down before

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Speaker 1: Jackie lost one million dollars in an online dating scam.

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Speaker 1: She turned that around and wrote the book The Woman

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Speaker 1: Behind the Smile. Debbie Montgomery Johnson, are you surprised at

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Speaker 1: all that this very intelligent and I must say beautiful

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Speaker 1: but I'm not surprised that she ended up doing it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what you do for love, But I mean

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Speaker 1: Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter Lee. There are so

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Speaker 1: many women getting scammed out of their life savings, their

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Speaker 1: I think women, many women believe that to make their

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Speaker 1: already heard that much. Tell me who this guy is.

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Speaker 1: Tell me something I don't already know. Okay, Well, he

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Speaker 1: He's a twenty nine year old. He comes from Long Branch,

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Speaker 1: mouth because you were captivating fruscut and we missed those bass. Okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: heart races and you feel restless, and your preoccupation with

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Speaker 1: your love object. And this has been proven even in

430
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Speaker 1: MRII scans. It's those scans show that when you're in love,

431
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,640
Speaker 1: it lights up the pleasure center of your brain. So

432
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 1: this is a real chemical reaction, and that's the way

433
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: we're wired, that's the way we're built. So Jeff Cortez,

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Speaker 1: a former FBI Supervisory special Agent. When you factor that in,

435
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,400
Speaker 1: no wonder, it's so easy for people to be taken

436
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,640
Speaker 1: advantage of, just like Debbie Montgomery Johnson and just like

437
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 1: this victim eighty five grand Absolutely, you know, Debbie hit

438
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 1: on a lot of critical points, UH, one of which

439
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: being that this is just a very common method of

440
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: exploitation of individuals. And tier point, it doesn't matter what

441
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: your education level is. We're all victim or could be

442
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:22,360
Speaker 1: potential victims. Vigilance in protecting ourselves is critical to the defense.

443
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 1: That you know, the FBI has an Internet Crime Complaint

444
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 1: Center and whereby they monitor some of these online investment

445
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Speaker 1: or an online scams and frauds. UH. Just in the

446
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 1: last four years, according to their reporting, they've had a

447
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 1: thirty percent increase in the number of complaints, but almost

448
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: or over a three increase in loss due to these frauds.

449
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: I think that really highlights the significance. Wow, that is

450
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Speaker 1: a lot. I mean. And Randy Kessler, it's even my

451
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: children can tell when I try to lie to them.

452
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Speaker 1: You got you got smart children. Right now, defense that

453
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Speaker 1: Atorney author of Divorce Protect Yourself, Your Kids, and Your

454
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: Future on Amazon. You can find him at divorce protect

455
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: dot com. Randy Kessler, I'm just thinking about how he

456
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: pulled a scam off. It's one thing like Debbie Montgomery Johnson,

457
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: the author of The Woman Behind This Smile, say, she

458
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 1: has all these volumes and volumes of the chats, the

459
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 1: online chats that she had with her predator. But this

460
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 1: guy takes it to a whole new level. He actually

461
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 1: gets the woman in the car and they go house

462
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 1: hunting for days. They go in and out of this house,

463
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 1: in that house, trying to find their love nest, and

464
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 1: the whole time he's looking at her always sees as

465
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: a cash register. I mean, that's really quite the Oscar

466
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: winning performance. Randy Kessler. Well, you know, he's apparently had

467
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 1: a lot of practice at it, and maybe trill and

468
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,199
Speaker 1: error gets him to a better place in his craft.

469
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: How can you even say practice and his craft and

470
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 1: trial and error. This is not a craft. This is

471
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 1: a felony. Remember, you know, the way you paint these

472
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 1: things as a defense lawyer always amazes me, Always come

473
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: up with something new. Now, a probably million dollar scam

474
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: artist is practicing his craft. Well, you know what, that's

475
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: the way make him sound like an artist. The way

476
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 1: criminals look at it. And you there's some pride among thieves,

477
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,239
Speaker 1: you know, you know who can pull off. Look at

478
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: the movies we watch Nancy Oceans eleven, we glamorize that

479
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. I mean that's crime, that's pure crime,

480
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: stealing millions and millions of dollars. Well, to remind you

481
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 1: that Danny Oceans ended up in jail at the end,

482
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: and it wasn't until Oceans twelve that he got out.

483
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: Wait didn't he die behind bars? He's dead. When Sandra

484
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 1: Bullet takes over, Danny Oceans is dead. Now. I always

485
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 1: thought he was going to make a comeback, But that's

486
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: just me dead. And people in the audience loved him,

487
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 1: and they all want to be him, they all want

488
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: to be her, and they look at that as role models,

489
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: and that's just a problem with society. I wish everyone

490
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 1: did it the good way, in the right way, and

491
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: it'd be a perfect world. But it ain't. You know what,

492
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,959
Speaker 1: I'm going to have to argue with you on that.

493
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 1: I don't think that it's necessarily human nature. I think

494
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 1: human nature includes a desire to be good. I really do.

495
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 1: And that does not include, as you put it, clawing

496
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: your way to the top and taking everything. This woman

497
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 1: had Clime stories with anancy grace. I'm sorry, man, it's

498
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: bringing here. I'm an owner of US and Fresh Stars.

499
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 1: I'm on my way to my office. I'm following them

500
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: on day morning. Yeah, I don't want to read you're

501
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: ready for the work, So on my way to voting,

502
00:28:55,560 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: starry start my day, Thank my emails, check feasible, call

503
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: some parents. Okay, really that's Gregory Hill if that's even

504
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: his name in a promo video and I know it

505
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: was scratchy and there's music playing under it, but I

506
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: had to have you hear it because it sounds like

507
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: it looks like a little kid. You ever seen little children?

508
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: Lee Egan, You have a gorgeous daughter. Remember when she

509
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: was little and she might dress up and grown up clothes.

510
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: Lee Egan with me Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter.

511
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: He sounds like he's just saying things. He maybe a

512
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: scene on TV, like I'm gonna go send some facts

513
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna go make some calls and I'm gonna

514
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: check some emails. What I mean? That sounds like something

515
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: John David said when he was about three years old.

516
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: Lucy was above it all. She would not suggest that

517
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: she would ever actually send facts as or emails or

518
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: check messages forget it. Okay, she wants us to do

519
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: that for her, But it sounds like something John David

520
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: would have say, Mom, I gotta go check my emails.

521
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: It's just it just sounds fakely Egan. And he says

522
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: that he was the owner of Varsity Prep Stars. Is

523
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: that why he's saying he's calling some parents? That's exactly

524
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: what he says. But he was never the owner of anything.

525
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: And if this is the same company he's had so

526
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: many But there was one company where he was scamming

527
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: people into paying him for a background check and for

528
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: work badges to become a part of this company where

529
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: he was giving scholarships or he was specializing in scholarships

530
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: for high school kids, and he like, over and over

531
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: and over these people would apply, he would take one

532
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five dollars each, pocket the money and

533
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: never call him back. So in that video, it sounds

534
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: like that could be part of this, you know, the

535
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: total scam that he's trying to pull off. Kind of

536
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: question for you, Doctor Ryan Fuller, Clinical psychologists joining me,

537
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: Doctor Fuller, why do people overshare? Why do I care

538
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: about the chili in his fridge? And have you ever

539
00:30:55,720 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: noticed I've looked online and people post for it since

540
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: what they're cooking for dinner? Or you actually sent a

541
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: shot of your closet crammed with designer stuff? Why what

542
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: is that? Well, in the day of social media, certainly

543
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: people are sharing a lot more publicly than ever before.

544
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: I don't pretend to have the best answer, but I

545
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: think to some extent people people do like to share

546
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: because they think what's important to them is going to

547
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: be important to everyone else. And with social media or

548
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: even a promotional video like this, we don't get a

549
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: lot of negative pushback, so why would we stop? It

550
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: feels a little good. Every once in a while we

551
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: get alike and this person's case, he actually was getting

552
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: victims to give him lots of money. So even if

553
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: you know ninety eight percent of people are turned off,

554
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: if two percent meet up with him, and you know,

555
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: right over checks for eighty thousand dollars, it works for him. Now,

556
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: I was trying to explain the other day, doctor Fuller,

557
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: to my son. He knows another kid that's always saying, well,

558
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: I've got the brand new Apple Watch and I have

559
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: the new Galaxy whatever. I said, John David, don't dislike

560
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: him for you need to feel badly for him, because clearly,

561
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: of course I'm no shrink like you, Doctor Fuller. He

562
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: must feel bad about himself in some way or insecure,

563
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: and to make up for that, he boasts about things

564
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: that he may or may not have to I don't know,

565
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: feel more important, And that's his way of getting to

566
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: be liked or to try to be popular. Does that

567
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: make sense or because here we see this guy totally

568
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: lying to scam women out of money like almost one

569
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: hundred grand, But is that why people boast? Yeah? I

570
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: mean I certainly think that's a very reasonable ipothosity have

571
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: about your your son's friend. I mean, you know what

572
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: we do know about people's level of happiness is. It

573
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: has a lot to do with our perceptions of social comparisons,

574
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: and so, you know, we do want others to respect

575
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: us and to value us, and you know, many times

576
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: in our culture that comes down to things like material items.

577
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: To Debbie Montgomery Johnson, who lost a million dollars in

578
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: an online dating scam, author of The Woman Behind the Smile,

579
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: you can get it on Amazon. It's awesome, Debbie. When

580
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,719
Speaker 1: you hear this guy's self promo video, does it just

581
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: make your skin crawl? Well, I you know, I see

582
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: it from a different point of view when when I

583
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: was scammed by a man that was in Nigeria. Of

584
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: course I didn't know that at the time. But over

585
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: there they're called the Yahoo We called them the Yahoo boys.

586
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: They're called the Yahoo Boys, and they're very creative, but

587
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: talk about bragging. There are pictures of these young men

588
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: that can think of the economic situation over there. Many

589
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: of them were unemployed or underemployed, and there's this is

590
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: a great way to make money for them. So they're

591
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: showing up with jewelry and cars and money all over

592
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: and they're looking at Americans and Europeans and I mean

593
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: people are being scammed all over the world. But these

594
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: young men are there with this cash and with these

595
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: items that they feel is wealth and it's it's just

596
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: over abundance. And I'm sure it's annoying to the locals

597
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: that see these kids running around like that, but it

598
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: doesn't surprise me because that you know, this is their

599
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: gain and they are good at what they do. Their

600
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: job is to get money from us, and they are

601
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: very very good at it. They're well trained, they're trained

602
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: in universities over there. They know what they're doing, they

603
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: know how to do it quickly. And does it irritate

604
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: me absolutely because I see the money they were getting,

605
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: and it's not the boys themselves aren't getting a lot

606
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: of it. This is an international web of deceit and

607
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 1: it's being you know, the money is being used for terrorism,

608
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,919
Speaker 1: it's being used for trafficking, it's being used for who

609
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: knows what. And if we knew, as victims, you know

610
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: at the time a love interest, that that money was

611
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: being used for those things, I would never, obviously never

612
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 1: have done it. But that makes my skin crawls what

613
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: they're doing with what they're getting. Now, this guy that

614
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: on this John or Gregory He is all about him,

615
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: and you know, it's self aggrandizement and look what I

616
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: can do. And I think he got bolder with time

617
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 1: because he's just out there. I mean, my guy. The

618
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: only reason I found out about my scam is because

619
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: he actually confessed online and I saw him. The most

620
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: online victims never find out who they've been scammed by,

621
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: and there's no closure, and that's that's very difficult to

622
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: recover from because you don't know who really scammed you.

623
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: You see a picture, but honestly, that picture is a

624
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 1: profile that's been taken by the scammers, and that's the

625
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: other victim. The other side of the house is the

626
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: victim of the picture, the men, the women, you know, whoever.

627
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: And it's it's a very difficult situation and it's it's

628
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: annoying in a lot of ways. Let me ask you,

629
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: Debbie mcgomery Johnson, when did you first realize you had

630
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: been scammed out of a million dollars? Well, not at

631
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: until after the two years. I think I had some

632
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 1: pink flags going on. I probably had the gut feeling

633
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 1: at different times, but I couldn't believe someone would lie

634
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 1: to me for two years. So it was when he

635
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: confessed to me. He came online one morning and asked

636
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,720
Speaker 1: me about forgiveness and it was a long chat for hours,

637
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: and he came on and said, I have a confession

638
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 1: to make and then he told me. And of course

639
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 1: at that point I said, you're lying. I said you're sick.

640
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 1: There's something wrong. And he actually came on online on

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Speaker 1: an online video and I saw him for the first

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Speaker 1: time over two years. And it wasn't my handsome brit

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Speaker 1: It was a young, dark haired, dark eyed, dark skinned,

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Speaker 1: young Nigerian man who said he fell in love with

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Speaker 1: me and wanted, you know, wanted to continue without the money.

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Speaker 1: But I'm just like, you're out of your mind, and

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Speaker 1: thank goodness, thank goodness for me. How did he get

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Speaker 1: the money from you? What was his excuse for nat?

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Speaker 1: It was never my little overtime. At the beginning, it was,

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Speaker 1: you know, I have this friend that wants to get

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Speaker 1: online dating and can you help him out. He's another

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Speaker 1: contract or overseas, and I said, sure, the more the

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Speaker 1: merry and we get more men on the online dating

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Speaker 1: site would be better for all of us women. And

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Speaker 1: so that's how it started. And the first thing, you know,

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Speaker 1: Eric had a an international he was an international contractor.

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Speaker 1: I have an international business. I know that sometimes when

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Speaker 1: you're overseas you have things that come up. He had

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Speaker 1: some visa thing, he had a tariff, and there were

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Speaker 1: many things over the two years. But it starts little,

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Speaker 1: and they want to see if you're willing to give

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Speaker 1: them money. They want to see if you're willing to

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Speaker 1: overlook grammatical errors in their They want to see how

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Speaker 1: willing you are. And and I've got to say that

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Speaker 1: they're looking for the prime victims are widows or recently

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Speaker 1: divorced men and women who have big hearts and are

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Speaker 1: willing to know love family. Family's big, so they pretend

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Speaker 1: to be your family. And over time, I would do

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Speaker 1: anything for my family, for my children, and he became

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Speaker 1: family throughout those two years, and I wanted to help them,

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Speaker 1: and so you know, I would send him at the

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Speaker 1: beginning very little money, and then at the end it

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Speaker 1: got to be very large amounts of money. But at

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Speaker 1: that point I was thinking, Okay, this next transaction, this

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Speaker 1: will be the last he'll get home. This will be

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Speaker 1: the last he'll get home. And then something would happen,

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Speaker 1: and yeat that point, you're like, okay, you're so far invested.

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Speaker 1: You don't want to stop because you know what you

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Speaker 1: would have lost. Wow. Still hoping that it's going to

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Speaker 1: end with a good ending. So Lee Egan, let me

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Speaker 1: ask you, based on what Debbie Montgomery Johnson has just

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Speaker 1: told us, author of The Woman Behind the Smile, where

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Speaker 1: is this ending with the scammer John Martin Hill, if

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Speaker 1: that's really his name, It's ending with him behind bars.

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Speaker 1: He fled Georgia. It happened in Georgia. He fled Georgia.

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Speaker 1: Somebody tipped him off that police were looking for him,

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Speaker 1: and he went to Nashville, Tennessee, and somebody saw his

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Speaker 1: picture on social media and called police and they found

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Speaker 1: him in a Marriott hotel or set him into custody.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Stories signing off, goodbye friend,