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Speaker 1: And Dan and Tye welcome back to the Saliverbal Boys

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Speaker 1: fine gentleman over there is Dan Rubinstein the Soliverbal, of course,

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Speaker 1: It's cold, it's blustery. It's winter out in your parts

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Speaker 1: of Chicago, Illinois, Sir, how you holding up? So far? Okay?

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Speaker 2: I asked Twitter for tips driving in the snow and winter,

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Speaker 1: where did we want to start today? Do we want

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and whether it's weird at all, this is a

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Speaker 2: there's still all sorts of movement around the sport. But

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Speaker 2: it could very well make sense. It could very well

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Speaker 1: Right, absolutely. Absolutely. The other point that I wanted to

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Speaker 2: Which is entertainment and hope. And it's helped via recruiting,

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Speaker 1: That's right then, you know, on occasion we like to

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Speaker 2: And you don't need to be you don't need to

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Speaker 1: So shout out to GAK for BAK if bringing that up.

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Speaker 1: I get it. I think you're one hundred percent onto something.

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Speaker 2: Brian Kelly's been there forever. He's led them to the playoff.

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Speaker 2: And I don't have a romantic analog to Mario Cristobaul

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Speaker 1: Like five, all right, so here we go. Yeah, first

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Speaker 1: titled Brutal, Yeah, Brutal. This is a song about self pity. Dan.

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Speaker 1: It's a song about feeling inadequate despite all your best efforts,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, expectations play a big role in that I have.

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Speaker 2: You're in Atlanta, you're revamping everything, you got everybody excited

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: in Washington. Is the same way Florida, where when it

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Speaker 2: seems like things are going right, they go sideways on

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Speaker 2: the recruiting trail. When it seems like things are going

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Speaker 2: well recruiting, the offense is a nightmare. Like there's this

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Speaker 2: treadmill of disappointment at these places that resonated with me

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Speaker 2: when re listening to the song and looking at the

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Speaker 2: lyrics that you provided, that you know these teams are

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Speaker 2: and these coaches are trying everything they can, but at

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Speaker 2: the same time they have just enormous blinds.

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Speaker 1: It's brutal out there, man, it is brutal, brutal out

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Speaker 1: there in the world of college football coaching. In the program,

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Speaker 1: it's brutal. Well.

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Speaker 2: I think the experience of being a fan of any

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Speaker 2: one of those teams right, brutal. Like think about the

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Speaker 2: year over year experience of being over the past five

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Speaker 2: six years a fan of as you mentioned, the USC

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Speaker 2: Clay Hilton years. Like you get this, like tiny little

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Speaker 2: you get these just these crumbs of excitement. Drake London,

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Speaker 2: Drake Jackson, most people are named Drake that excite USC fans.

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Speaker 2: Oh we're gonna hire Graham Harrell. You get these crumbs,

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Speaker 2: and you're moving away from this old, stodgy offense to

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Speaker 2: the air raid and it's just week in and week

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Speaker 2: out there's emotional daggers.

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Speaker 1: There's a fatalistic quality to it. Yeah, of being a

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Speaker 1: fan of some of those teams. I'm with you, I'm

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Speaker 1: with you. So here's what we do. At this point,

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Speaker 1: I say pause it. Alexa played Trader by Olivia Rodrigo.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that now, maybe it won't not for me, but

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Speaker 1: for people. Not A sponsor could be, not, a sponsor

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Speaker 1: could be. We don't have any clips for this song, no,

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Speaker 1: of course not. We don't have the rights to these. Again,

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Speaker 1: Trader Trader is Trader is the name of this song.

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Speaker 1: M hmm. A piano driven ballad. If you go and

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Speaker 1: listen to it, it expresses deep feelings of betrayal. Obviously

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Speaker 1: while watching an X move on with someone else. Yep,

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Speaker 1: what did this conjure up for you? Dan?

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Speaker 2: This conjured up Nick Saban from LSU and LSU perspectives. Oh,

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Speaker 2: this is a deep cut, So I'm going there. You're

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Speaker 2: you're sort of focusing on twenty twenty one. But the

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Speaker 2: idea of and this way he had he was sort

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Speaker 2: of laundered through the NFL Nick Saban where you're like,

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Speaker 2: you understand as an LSU fan, Nick Saban has taken

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Speaker 2: the Tigers to a national champion chip level program, and

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Speaker 2: you're like, man, and he's got an opportunity in the NFL,

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Speaker 2: how do you begrudge him that he comes into your program,

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Speaker 2: a dormant program, takes him to a humongously impressive level,

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Speaker 2: goes to the NFL, and after two short years, is like,

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Speaker 2: what if I went to LSU's rival And you're cool

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Speaker 2: with it as an LSU fan that he's leaving for

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Speaker 2: the NFL on a certain level because you understand it

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Speaker 2: his backgrounds in the NFL. And then you see him

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Speaker 2: wearing Crimson. Yeah, you're like, well, if you wanted to

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Speaker 2: coach a major SEC WES team, we're right here. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: LS you had moved on to LS Miles at that point,

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Speaker 2: But that's what that conjured up, that you're seeing your

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Speaker 2: ex move on, and not just move on, but to

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Speaker 2: somebody and to somewhere in your periphery that you're reminded

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Speaker 2: of it constantly. Yeah, and in this case on the

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Speaker 2: opposite sideline.

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Speaker 1: There is a line in this song about brown guilty

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Speaker 1: eyes and little white lies Dan mm hmm, which I

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Speaker 1: think resonates. It also resonates with the Manny Diaz situation

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Speaker 1: at Miami. That's rough. That's rough, brown guilty eyes, little

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Speaker 1: white lies. I played dumb, but I always knew that

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Speaker 1: you talk to her, maybe did even worse. I kept

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Speaker 1: quiet so I could keep you. That's true.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Manny Diaz watching his now ex speak to I

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Speaker 2: don't know how you would relate Mario Christbaul somebody and

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Speaker 2: Manny Diez's friend group.

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Speaker 1: I think I don't even know. I mean, they're all

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Speaker 1: on the coaching fraternity.

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Speaker 2: Right, that's true, across the across the hallway. Uh, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean he was. He was done pretty dirty, like

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Speaker 2: it or not. It's a dirty industry. But and then

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Speaker 2: that works.

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Speaker 1: Dan, you talk to her when we were together, loved

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Speaker 1: you at your worst, but that didn't matter. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: took you two weeks. It almost took literally two weeks

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Speaker 1: for this to happen, to go off and date her.

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Speaker 1: You didn't cheat, but you're still a trader.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, whoa I would. By the way, I mean not saying,

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Speaker 2: but saying, like the way Oregon finished their season may

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Speaker 2: have been reflective of a head coach with a foot

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Speaker 2: out the doors.

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Speaker 1: Playing footsies under the table.

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Speaker 2: Right, all due respect to the power and impressive season

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Speaker 2: of the Utah Utes. The best of Oregon probably is

519
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Speaker 2: more competitive against Utah with a fully weaponized staff and

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Speaker 2: fully focused staff, especially at the top.

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Speaker 1: How ridiculous was that set up for many daz We've

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Speaker 1: all just sort of moved on. Not a coaching world

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Speaker 1: that's messy, these relationships. It's a business thing, and don't

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Speaker 1: take it personal. And Manny Diaz now caught on with

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Speaker 1: Penn State, which I love. I'm fine with, but everybody's

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Speaker 1: just cool with it. We moved on despite the fact

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Speaker 1: that it was not like the athletic director like in

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Speaker 1: a normal circumstance like at Notre Dame or at Oklahoma

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Speaker 1: or even at USC. It's not like where you had

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Speaker 1: a guy and they picked the next guy. And now

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Speaker 1: we move on and we do the presser, and we're

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Speaker 1: all excited. We're all kind of swimming in the same direction. Sure,

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Speaker 1: these were the boosters who got pissed. They got money

534
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Speaker 1: from a health network or whatever and decided we're going

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Speaker 1: to go get this guy who played here. We're going

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Speaker 1: to continue the trend of getting the most Miami guy available.

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Speaker 1: We're going to bring him down here and now we're

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Speaker 1: going to get this thing going crank it up.

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Speaker 2: The most Miami gu available was Pitbull. Okay, but that's cool, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: of course, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Rekindled a swagger, Dan, Let's do it. How ridiculous was that?

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Speaker 2: So it was a tough situation in Miami's defense, life

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Speaker 2: is about timing and Mario chris defense. Life is about timing.

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Speaker 2: And where where Mario Christobal was in terms of reputation

545
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Speaker 2: was probably at its absolute apex with the four years

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Speaker 2: he spent at Oregon winning the Rose Bowl, you know,

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Speaker 2: justin Herbert succeeding and that being a good reflection fair

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Speaker 2: Ornat on the Oregon program and Miami saying, look, here

549
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Speaker 2: is our moment. You know, Oregon beats Ohio State, this

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Speaker 2: is this is our moment to whip our fans into

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Speaker 2: a frenzy. And so many Diez is a handsomely paid

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Speaker 2: victim of that moment. And Mario Christobal, you know, he

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Speaker 2: doesn't know if if Miami hires an absolute killer, who's

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Speaker 2: there for the next eight years? He missed his window.

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Speaker 2: So there is in life a certain degree of dice

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Speaker 2: rolling and saying I know this is not going to

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Speaker 2: look great, but this is what feels right.

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Speaker 1: No, I mean you gotta follow your heart.

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Speaker 2: And I can't say, as as co host of this show,

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Speaker 2: I can't say that I am batting a thousand in

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Speaker 2: terms of doing absolutely right by everybody I have been

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Speaker 2: linked to romantically. Oh Settle, okay, this is are you

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Speaker 2: batting a thousand?

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Speaker 1: Are you batting a thousand?

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Speaker 2: Let he who has I don't know the stone in

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Speaker 2: the houses, I don't know all that stuff, but I

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Speaker 2: just I am sympathetic on a certain level about their life,

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00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 2: including tough decisions in terms of timing and doing the

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Speaker 2: right thing. Even though it doesn't make everybody feel good.

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Speaker 1: Dan, it was messy at Miami. Manny Diaz was treated poorly.

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Speaker 1: Miami is still a trader. They didn't she Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: there's still a trader. Let's move you have you?

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Speaker 2: By the way, have you seen the movie Forgetting Sarah Marshall?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 2: So the entirety of or like, the first two thirds

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00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 2: of that movie is uh Jason Siegel like as the

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00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 2: sympathetic character in Sarah Marshall as the like how could she?

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Speaker 1: She's awful? Look what she did?

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Speaker 2: Blah blah blah, And then you have this showdown of like, oh,

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Speaker 2: maybe she's not as evil, right, she like talks about

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Speaker 2: how she tried to save the relationship and he was

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00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 2: like always sad and wasn't working in the relationship and

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00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 2: stuff like that. So maybe maybe there's more to this

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Speaker 2: saga that we know.

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Speaker 1: I like that you call it a saga. I like that.

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Speaker 1: It's good, good kind.

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Speaker 2: Of I mean, with the big personalities, big school involved.

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Speaker 2: I think there was you know, it's Miami. Everything's a

589
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 2: little bit more dramatic and pronounced there, So.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. Track three is called Driver's License. M hmm.

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Speaker 1: I won't tell your voice activated speaker to play it.

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00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: I don't want to be that guy. Yeah, this is

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Speaker 1: this is it gets dark. This song Driver's License was

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Speaker 1: the smash hit. It was the first single. I believe

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Speaker 1: Olivia Rodrigo the first artist in the history of the

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Speaker 1: Billboard one hundred to have three albums debut in the

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Speaker 1: top ten, three singles, three singles. Excuse me, yeah, the

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Speaker 1: debut in the top ten, debut singles to debut in

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Speaker 1: the top ten. So yep, this is banger of an album.

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Speaker 1: This one clearly is about lamenting the end of a relationship.

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Speaker 1: It's about trying harder, and you know, perhaps trying harder

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Speaker 1: than your partner, about trying to build up to a

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Speaker 1: key milestone, a key moment, about wanting it more and

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Speaker 1: then being let down. Mm hmm as the relationship dissolves.

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Speaker 2: You said forever now high drive alone pass.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that's the operative lyric here, right.

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Speaker 1: And I knew we weren't perfect, but I've never felt

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Speaker 1: this way for no one. Dan. I just can't imagine

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Speaker 1: how you could be so okay now that I'm gone. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I guess you didn't mean in that No, I guess

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Speaker 1: you didn't mean what you wrote in that song about me,

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Speaker 1: because you said forever now, I drive alone down your street.

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Speaker 1: This is Brian Kelly in Notre Dame. You think so okay?

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00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: Brian Kelly almost literally said he'd be there forever, right,

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Speaker 1: He almost literally said it. And it really has appeal,

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Speaker 1: I think, to the Notre Dame community because Notre Dame

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Speaker 1: for a long time, and you know this, we've talked

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00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,919
Speaker 1: about on the podcast since two thousand and eight, it's

619
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: always been this plight to try and get back to

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00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: the mountaintop, to get back to former glory. They have

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Speaker 1: not been able to get there as quickly as maybe

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Speaker 1: some other programs and perhaps that's because of academic requirements

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00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: or being independent, or who knows what. Who knows what.

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00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: A lot of people would say that's because of Brian Kelly.

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00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:39,280
Speaker 1: But it's long been this plate, this journey to get

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00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: back to or Notre Dame feels it should be right.

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00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: Notre Dame at the time that Brian Kelly decided to

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00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: go to LSU had won double digits in five consecutive years.

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Speaker 1: They had been to the playoff a couple times. It

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Speaker 1: was clear this program was building to a crescendo. They

631
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 1: went eleven and won this season one Jack Cone quarterback.

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00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,720
Speaker 1: It's a good team. He got them to a good place,

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00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: finally building to this moment where perhaps they can take

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Speaker 1: the next step. Dude gets ten million a year to

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00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: go to LSU. Thanks for coming out. Yeah. And then

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00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: there was the quote before he left, and this is

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Speaker 1: what I referenced earlier. There was a quote where he

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Speaker 1: said something to the effect of it. At the time,

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00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: you recall Mike Tomlin was being asked about his interest

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00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 1: in college jobs and Tomlin swatted it away. It was like, yeah,

641
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: an awesomely dismissive quote. And somebody asked Brian Kelly about

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00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: other gigs, and he said, Mike Tomlin had it right,

643
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: and unless a fairy godmother shows up with two hundred

644
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Speaker 1: and fifty million dollars, come on, let's be real like

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00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: he was equally as dismissive. Then he leaves, and then

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Speaker 1: he leaves.

647
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 2: It happened in the span of like that might have

648
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:53,240
Speaker 2: been a negotiating play and under the radar, under the table,

649
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 2: like well if the fairy god lsu gulls together with

650
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 2: a hundred.

651
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: But it wasn't. It wasn't because from what we understand,

652
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: from what Jack Swarbrick said, there wasn't an ongoing negotiation.

653
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: He could sense through his working relationship, because Kelly had

654
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: been there a while that there was some restlessness and

655
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: maybe he was looking to take a different job, to

656
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: change the scenery and the landscape and maybe put himself

657
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: in a better position to I don't know, do a

658
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 1: fake Southern accent. Whatever it was. He could sense that

659
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: something was up there, but at no point was there

660
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: an active negotiation back and forth. This was very much

661
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,439
Speaker 1: Brian Kelly wanting to go elsewhere, and so Notre Dame

662
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: fans I think after that, Notre Dame as an institution

663
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: you could look at what some of the players said.

664
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,879
Speaker 1: I mean, many were grateful for what Brian Kelly did

665
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,760
Speaker 1: for them, but the good old two minute farewell speech

666
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: followed by him going on the basketball court seventy two

667
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: hours later and doing the accent that was tough pill

668
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 1: to swallow. Dan. It was tough to not feel jilted

669
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: by that.

670
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 2: If you were a Umber Dame fan, I hear you.

671
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 2: I am awarding this one to Joe Castiglione, the Oklahoma

672
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 2: ad who put out a statement, a full on public statement,

673
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 2: to say, Caleb Williams is great, but if he indeed

674
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 2: does decide to leave, will be good.

675
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: Will be great.

676
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 2: It is he is merely a representative Joe Castiglion, who

677
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 2: is a very good reputation as an athletic director. I

678
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 2: think he is an example of and I took this.

679
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 2: I think your example was very good. I took that

680
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 2: as an example of the process of a Notre Dame

681
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 2: didn't really have the opportunity to do this recruiting a

682
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 2: coach or recruiting a player who is very clearly thinking

683
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 2: about leaving. So somebody and a player on your roster, right,

684
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 2: this just happened with you know, Oregon players but it

685
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 2: happens everywhere where there's a new coach, like I'm sure

686
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 2: it happened with Lincoln Riley and say Jackson Dart right

687
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 2: where a play you're recruiting somebody and you're clearly the

688
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 2: one trying harder to make this relationship work, Whereas they

689
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 2: have eyes elsewhere and perhaps they're considering staying in the relationship,

690
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 2: but the mere fact that they have eyes wandering is

691
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 2: probably an indicator. Right where Like Caleb Williams and his

692
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 2: statement was saying like I'm still considering Oklahoma, He's like,

693
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 2: I don't know if you are, bro, I don't know.

694
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: If you really are.

695
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 2: And so that statement by Jokistiglione where he very openly said.

696
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: We're still trying, we still want to make it work,

697
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: but well we all came without you. That's Is that

698
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 1: what Jocastiglio sounds like?

699
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 2: No, no, we believe so at all. But that's what

700
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 2: I hear when I read that statement. There's a helium, yeah,

701
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 2: where when you are at your most vulnerable, that's what

702
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 2: your thoughts sound like.

703
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: Okay, so.

704
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 2: That's what I get because of how active the transfer

705
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 2: portal is, because of how active coaches are, that when

706
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 2: you are recruiting somebody to stay, which is a very

707
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 2: weird thing because usually you're recruiting somebody in the sports

708
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 2: to come to you. That is the unique dynamic of

709
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 2: lamenting that you have to be the one putting in

710
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 2: all the efforts, whereas the other person is just trying

711
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 2: to find a way to do something new again.

712
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 1: This is a good spot to pause it.

713
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 2: Have you wanted to recall something in your own life.

714
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 1: I've been there. I've definitely been there. I've been there.

715
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: It's been a while, I've been there. I had a

716
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: literal driver's license moment, not not so literal that it

717
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: was pertaining to a driver's license, but yeah, driving alone

718
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: down the street. Yes, sure, you're only human. Let's go

719
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: to one step forward, three steps back. Okay, this pertains

720
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: to pretty much everyone to college football. Yeah, of course.

721
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: Also my favorite song on the album. For what it's worth,

722
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,879
Speaker 1: and going through this a multitude of times to try

723
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 1: and piece this show together, I've determined this is my favorite.

724
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 1: This is a song about feeling hopeless and frustrated. You're

725
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: in an up and down relationship of sorts. It's knowing

726
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 1: that something's off, it's working hard to try and make

727
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: things better, but really never getting there. And I think

728
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: also about seeing the writing on the wall that no

729
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: matter how hard you try, this thing's gonna blow up.

730
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: It's destined for failure. There is one key passage in

731
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 1: this work of lyrical artwork that I think resonates with

732
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: me in a specific college football instance. I'm ready. It's

733
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: always one step forward and three steps back. I'm the

734
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: love of your life until I make you mad. It's

735
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: always one step forward and three steps back. Do you

736
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: love me? Want me hate me? Boy? I don't understand. No,

737
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:59,479
Speaker 1: I don't understand. Yeah, Oh, I got some for these.

738
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: If Scott Frost sang this tomorrow to the Nebraska fan base,

739
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: I think it would fit perfectly. I think it would

740
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:12,760
Speaker 1: fit perfectly. Scott Frost is fifteen and twenty nine at Nebraska.

741
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. But he's always been on the verge, right,

742
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 1: always been on the verge. They lost? Was it nine

743
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 1: games this year by one score or fewer? Something like that? Like, yeah,

744
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 1: has it happened since the twenties? Always on the verge,

745
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 1: he tells us, always, I just need to I just

746
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: need to put it all real close. We're right there,

747
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: it's real close. Yeah, you've got a sound for it, right,

748
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: like just always so close to Oh.

749
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 2: I replaced it with an the Libya Rodrigo, So I

750
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 2: just don't I don't have it.

751
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, stay tuned for that. One's coming up in two tracks. Yeah,

752
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: Scott Frost was supposed to be the savior. You remember

753
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: all the Welcome Home Scott Frost stuff. That hasn't really

754
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: worked out thus far. The question I asked is he

755
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: is he could coach? Oh?

756
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a good coach. He might be a bad

757
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 2: fit in Nebraska. He might not be a good coach

758
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 2: at Nebraska, but what he did at UCF tells me

759
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 2: that at his best he's a good coach. At his

760
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 2: best he was thirteen to zero. But he's been a

761
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,879
Speaker 2: head football coach now for six seasons. Five of those

762
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 2: seasons have been losing seasons. Yeah, so it's taken a

763
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 2: little bit longer at Nebraska. It is clearly an up

764
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 2: and down relationship there. It is clearly an up and

765
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 2: down relationship. It is evident from what we've seen thus

766
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 2: far in his time in Lincoln that every little step

767
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 2: forward they take.

768
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: There is some sort of regression. He can't quite put

769
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: it all together it's clear that both want it to work,

770
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 1: but it's very much a rocky circumstance. Their new athletic director,

771
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 1: trev Alberts has said, you know, he gave a voice

772
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,760
Speaker 1: of support for Scott Frost. To the extent that anybody

773
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: buys that longer than the first five weeks of this

774
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 1: coming season remains to be seen. But for the time being,

775
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: Scott Frost still the guy in Lincoln. We still root

776
00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: for him, we still want it to work. It'd be

777
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: a cool story if it does. But if you're Scott Frost,

778
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: if you're looking at this, there has to be feelings

779
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: of frustration, hopelessness, all of what I just described sort

780
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: of just bleeding out into your normal, every day life. Right.

781
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 2: Sure, you took this, You interpreted this song as sort

782
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 2: of seeing the writing on the wall for failure for

783
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 2: the end, saying that you're not, you know, for everything good,

784
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 2: I'm clearly not enough, right, correct? And how I chose

785
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 2: to interpret that within college football is like, and I

786
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,280
Speaker 2: have this for Scott Frost as well, the coach of quarterback.

787
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 2: You want to succeed that You're like, it would be

788
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 2: very cool if they did.

789
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: But it's just.

790
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 2: Obvious that it's not going to a great place. And

791
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 2: I thought Scott Frost was a good example. I also

792
00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 2: have down here Cliff Kingsbury at Texas Tech right where

793
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 2: you're like, how great would it be former quarterback local

794
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 2: what he did with Johnny Manziel at Texas A and

795
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 2: m what he's done with Patrick Mahomes and offense in general.

796
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 2: Wouldn't it be amazing if he hired a defensive coordinator

797
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 2: and helped to recruit and build a defensive operation in

798
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 2: line with what he was able to do on offense.

799
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 2: Wouldn't it be great if Cliff Kingsbury were to succeed?

800
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 2: And I think it's applicable of both likable coaches and

801
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 2: Alma maters, Like, wouldn't it be great if ed Orgeron

802
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 2: was the coach at LSU for the next fifteen years

803
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 2: and kept making savvy coordinator hires after you know, the

804
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,240
Speaker 2: Joe Brady passing game coordinator thing, and you know, retaining

805
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 2: Dave Randa and him being local and the you know,

806
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 2: the accent and the presence, and you know how excited

807
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 2: LSU fans were for twenty nineteen. Wouldn't it be nice

808
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 2: for that situation to play out? Like everybody kind of

809
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 2: wants it to. Like Mac Brown at Texas, right that

810
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 2: he's so beloved, he takes them to a national championship.

811
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 2: He wins a national championship, you know, bringing in Vince Young.

812
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 2: I have like even quarterbacks, right, you can look at

813
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 2: a quarterback You're like, how how great would it be

814
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 2: if Christian Hackenberg were Christian Hackenberg for three years at

815
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 2: Penn State where you know that the potential is there,

816
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 2: and that would be an amazing story. He sticks with

817
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 2: Penn State during his recruitment. He looks super promising with

818
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 2: Bill O'Brien. Wouldn't it be great if he kept progressing?

819
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 2: We all want this to happen, but it doesn't. Know,

820
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 2: It just doesn't the wheel and it's it's apparent to everybody,

821
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 2: and hard decisions need to be made, Uncomfortable decisions need

822
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 2: to be made. And that's that's what I drew from

823
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 2: from the lyrics of this song and your interpretation thereof.

824
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,760
Speaker 1: Let's move on to the fifth track of the album,

825
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:42,879
Speaker 1: Yep Deja vus hm hm, one of my favorites as well.

826
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: This is about seeing an ex do oh yeah, the

827
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: same stuff with somebody else mm hmm, same stuff. That

828
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: they used to do with you going to the same

829
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: place as doing the same things restaurants, what have you.

830
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: Of course, and to some extent you look, you see

831
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: that maybe it's posted on social media like everything these days,

832
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 1: and you feel cheapened by that. Dan, of course, feel

833
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: cheapened by that. You thought it was unique to you,

834
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: but maybe it wasn't. This is actually the song that

835
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: gave me the idea. So I was in the car,

836
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: I was driving up to Mommy Ah's, and I heard

837
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: the line car rides to Malibu strawberry ice cream one

838
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 1: spoonful or two? Yeah, And I thought, wouldn't it be

839
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: funny if Steve Sarkisian and Lane Kiffen were singing that

840
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: to Lincoln Riley right now?

841
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 2: Hmmm, we're really hammering Linco Riley with this, Okay, continue,

842
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 2: wouldn't it.

843
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 1: Be Wouldn't it be funny? Wouldn't it be funny if

844
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: they were singing that not just because of the Malibu connection,

845
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: but because of right. So, when you're gonna tell her

846
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: that we did that too, she thinks it's special, but

847
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: it's all reused. That was our place I found at first.

848
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 1: I made the jokes to tell to her when she's

849
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 1: with you. USC Dan has done this thing before. This

850
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: is not their first rodeo. They've got the affinity for

851
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 1: going after the hot offensive mind, don't they. Of course,

852
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: we're going after the latest and the greatest. Now, this

853
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 1: was the big hire of the coaching offseason by I

854
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 1: think an incredible margin. Lincoln Riley going from Norman out

855
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,439
Speaker 1: to USC is a big deal. Granted, in those other

856
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: cases with sarking with Lane, those are USC guys. Those

857
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: are Pete Carroll era guys. They were supposed to come in.

858
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: They were gonna know how how to bring it back

859
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:37,919
Speaker 1: to the way it was in two thousand and five

860
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,280
Speaker 1: and get USC back. And it didn't work. Of course,

861
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 1: Lane got fired on a tarmac like it didn't. It

862
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: clearly didn't go the way they expected. But there is

863
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 1: a bit of reuse here, yeap that I think if

864
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: you were any of those coaches in the recent past

865
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 1: for USC, clearly you're probably still a little bitter the

866
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: way things shook. I'd imagine you got to be looking

867
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: at what's going down with Lincoln Riley, even though it's

868
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: new administration, new people, what have you. But you got

869
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 1: to be looking at and thinking, hey, what gives like this,

870
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 1: this is the literally the same stuff that happened when

871
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: they were brought in to run the Trojans. So deja vu.

872
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: This is this is Sark. This is Lane looking out

873
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: at Lincoln Riley and saying what gives men? I hear you.

874
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: I think that's good.

875
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 2: I think that's absolutely a clear, clear line to draw.

876
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 2: I looked at it, and I'm sort of looking at

877
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 2: it from an off season perspective, like this clear one

878
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 2: where it's players or even assistant coaches following that coach

879
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 2: who left to that you know, I don't know the

880
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,760
Speaker 2: new place, right, So it's it's Jane Orvell taking Nevada

881
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 2: players to Colorado State. It's you know, Sark with you know,

882
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 2: taking the the assistance from Alabea. And I don't think

883
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 2: Alabama fans feel a particular affinity for like Kyle Flood.

884
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,399
Speaker 2: Well maybe after this year's season they did. But yeah,

885
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 2: it wasn't a good offensive line at times, even like

886
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 2: when you're looking at like the ex doing the same

887
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 2: things that they did with you with like the new

888
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 2: person or whatever, like the transfers within the same conference

889
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 2: to maybe even a rival type school that they're immediately

890
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 2: shining like, do you think Tennessee fans are cool with

891
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 2: Henry to Toe going to Alabama and seeing him thrive there? Like,

892
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think they're fully Like I understand

893
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,439
Speaker 2: Tennessee themselves is where they are with Hendon Hooker because

894
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 2: of the transfer portal and the ability to vomit downfield

895
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 2: is suddenly new and exciting in Tennessee. But you look,

896
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 2: I mean, especially the guys at Alabama, right, Eli Rix

897
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 2: going from LSU to Alabama, Frank Ladson going from Clemson

898
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 2: to Miami, like within the conference, and Frank Ladson was

899
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 2: never a star at Clemson, of course, But I don't know,

900
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:02,479
Speaker 2: I mean, who am I am? I missing anybody else?

901
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 2: Travis Dye from Oregon to USC now, Jermaine Burton just

902
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 2: changing sides of the National Championship next charge to Alabama. Yeah,

903
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 2: but I don't. I don't think the emotion was there

904
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 2: with LSU fans and Max Johnson to Texas A and

905
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 2: m like it perhaps was within the sec from like

906
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 2: Henry to Toe or sure, I'm just throwing out names,

907
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 2: but yeah, no, I hear you. I considered that, but

908
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 2: I think that's what it is, and I mean even

909
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 2: I mean I mentioned Sark going to Texas and bringing

910
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 2: Alabama assistance, but like Stark going from Washington to usc

911
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 2: staying in the conference, doing Sark things. You know, he

912
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 2: brings Washington back from a zero win program to respectability,

913
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 2: a bowl program, recruiting on a big level, and all

914
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 2: of a sudden he's just on a plane and staying

915
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 2: within the conference. And I have that sort of for

916
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:57,280
Speaker 2: another one as well. But those are the vibes I got.

917
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 1: I like that, Dan, I like where we're at. Where

918
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 1: we're at, Okay, let's keep moving. We've got a couple

919
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: more tracks to get through again. A good spot to

920
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: pause it to queue up. Good for You a sarcastic

921
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: rock ballad, Daniel. It is talking about an ex moving on,

922
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: being unaffected by the breakup. Yeah, unaffected to the point

923
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 1: of they're gonna move on a little too quickly. Yeah,

924
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 1: little too quickly. Good for you. You look happy and healthy,

925
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 1: not me, if you ever care to ask. Good for you.

926
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: You're doing great out there without me, Baby God, I

927
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: wish I could do that. I've lost my mind. I

928
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: spent the night crying on the floor of my bathroom.

929
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 1: But you're so unaffected. I really don't get it, but

930
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 1: I guess good for you. Yeah, this is also about

931
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley.

932
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 2: It could be on Lincoln Riley. I mean Mario Cristobal

933
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 2: and a Miami polo and with his hair suddenly darker

934
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 2: and speaking Spanish and like just looking happier than he

935
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 2: ever looked in Eugene, Oregon.

936
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: Back to what we said at the top, the visceral

937
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:12,359
Speaker 1: response among the Oklahoma community to Lincoln Riley, leaving not

938
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: to say that everybody else in college football that lost

939
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 1: a coach is just over it at this point. They're

940
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: not right, but the raw emotion that I think still persists,

941
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: Like a month and a half later, with the Lincoln

942
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: Riley move to USC, this is the Oklahoma fan base

943
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: singing to Lincoln Riley. This is their anthem right now, Dan,

944
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 1: after here it went down. I hate to make it

945
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 1: two tracks in a row that deal with the same Dude.

946
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 2: You're just you're reflecting the energy of our listeners who

947
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 2: suggested Lincoln Riley and Oklahoma and USC over and over

948
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 2: and over again.

949
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: Miss Rodrigo is an artist with range. However, there was

950
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: just too much raw emotion in that Oklahoma community to

951
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:05,879
Speaker 1: pigeonhole it into one track. Dan, Now, this just sort

952
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: of happened without warning. He left. I remember when this

953
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: was reported. You and I got on slack. We were messaging

954
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 1: back and forth. We were like, come on, come on.

955
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: Nobody believed it. It was a lot like the Brian

956
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 1: Kelly thing, only it was worse because it happened quicker.

957
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:27,240
Speaker 1: And the ease with which Lincoln Riley converted from verbal

958
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 1: kint to kaiser SoSE was ridiculous to me. It just

959
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: happened in the blink of an eye, right, and so yeah,

960
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: the ease with which he went from Oklahoma, this place

961
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: that had been like home, where'd you say, mule shoe

962
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: doorth Texas? He's from the area Panhandle, right, and suddenly

963
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: he wants the challenge of rebuilding a fallen brand. What what?

964
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 1: They hadn't given him whatever he wanted, whatever he wanted.

965
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: Maybe he didn't want to go to the SEC. I

966
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 1: don't know that's that's a popular theory. But outside of that,

967
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: they'd have done whatever the hell he wanted. Cyonara, I'm

968
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 1: going to usc This is about Blinken Riley jilting the

969
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 1: Oklahoma fan base. Dan, I'm not going to go Lincoln Riley.

970
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: I'm going to go.

971
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 2: You know what actually comes to mind is we we

972
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 2: haven't mentioned a school. I mean I mentioned obviously, I

973
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 2: always mentioned Oregon, but like losing coaches out of choice,

974
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 2: right chose always, you know, looking at the new school

975
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,760
Speaker 2: or a new situation as being better than the current one.

976
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 2: What about Pitt about a decade ago and having both

977
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:44,839
Speaker 2: Paul Christ and before that Todd Graham, they didn't leave

978
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 2: for enormous playoff caliber jobs for Arizona State and Wisconsin,

979
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 2: And you understand on a certain level.

980
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,399
Speaker 1: Paul Christ and his Wisconsin tize whatever, but he leaves

981
00:54:55,400 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 1: pretty quick. Do you think Paul Well Christ is conjuring

982
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 1: up those kinds of emotions in any fan base.

983
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 2: I think because Paul Chris did it right after Todd Graham,

984
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 2: that you are looking inward and saying, what's wrong with me?

985
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 1: There was that moment where yeah, there was a revolving door.

986
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 2: Todd Graham is the modern pioneer of the like one

987
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 2: and done and so yeah that on that level, I

988
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 2: understand that you know, you're wearing the new gear, you're

989
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 2: making the move whatever, and you seem so great, like

990
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 2: Todd Graham's going to the desert wearing a silly little

991
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 2: microphone whatever. But if you're a Pit fan, the combination

992
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 2: of Todd Graham and Paul Chris leaving the way that

993
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 2: they did, and then you know Oregon Willy Tagger or

994
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 2: whatever he leaves after a year. Oh it's my dream

995
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 2: of jobbing from Florida Florida State. I'm gonna turn it

996
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 2: around after the end of Jim. But whatever, that's the

997
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 2: energy I get. I definitely see the value in Pitt

998
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 2: fans saying, oh, look at you, look at You're so

999
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 2: much better. And like, if you're a Pit fan, like

1000
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 2: you see yourself maybe as not the top of college football,

1001
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 2: but you see your program as a big program with

1002
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 2: a storied history and huge, huge players that have affected

1003
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:20,800
Speaker 2: the game of football. And you can look at Arizona

1004
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 2: State in Wisconsin is like what do they have? What

1005
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 2: do they have that we don't? And so like, if

1006
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 2: you're a Houston fan and you see Tom Herman leave

1007
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 2: for Texas, yeah, it's difficult to see him go to

1008
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 2: Texas and say like, this was the end game, this

1009
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,800
Speaker 2: was the dream, this was the goal. But you understand

1010
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:42,399
Speaker 2: Houston is not Texas, right of course. But I could

1011
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 2: see the plight of Panther fans h twop. Let's keep moving, Dan,

1012
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 2: We've got four more to get through, all right. Quote

1013
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 2: you found someone more exciting the next second, you were gone,

1014
00:56:56,360 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 2: and you left me there crying, wondering what I did wrong.

1015
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 2: And you always say I'm never satisfied. But I don't

1016
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:07,760
Speaker 2: think that's true, because all I ever wanted.

1017
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: Was to be enough for you. Yeah. Yeah. The name

1018
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 1: of this song is enough for you. It's about giving

1019
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: a relationship. You're all coming to the realization it'll never

1020
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: be enough. Right, And it's not your fault. It's not

1021
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: your fault. It's a bad situation. Yep, an untimely situation.

1022
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. This is Bob Bowlsby's ballad to Oklahoma and Texas,

1023
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 1: isn't it. He's saying to them, it's not your fault.

1024
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 1: He's talking about himself. He's talking about the Big Twelve.

1025
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: He's talking about the situation as he sings this song.

1026
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure he sings a song frequently at his board meetings. Quote.

1027
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 1: Their chances of advancing to the College Football Playoff are

1028
00:57:56,120 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 1: better through the Big Twelve. That's the silly part of it.

1029
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 1: It's not very much money difference and competitively, they've got

1030
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 1: a better path in the Big Twelve. It makes no sense. Quote.

1031
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 1: If it's not about the money, and if it's not

1032
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 1: about the competitiveness, what's it about. I haven't gotten any

1033
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 1: answers to that. I mean, do you want to know

1034
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 1: the answer? Bob Bowlesby. Bob Bowlesby is looking at this situation.

1035
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 1: He's saying, I didn't do anything wrong. We gave you

1036
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 1: everything you wanted, and you're leaving anyway.

1037
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:34,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bob Bowlsby's handling of the Big Twelve tip top,

1038
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 2: tip top, Yeah, it's attention and status obviously.

1039
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 1: Enough for you. Bob Bowlesby's saying, I we tried everything.

1040
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: It's it's just it's not gonna be enough for you

1041
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: to money grab in programs. Mm hmm. Not gonna be enough.

1042
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 1: You want the fame of the SEC, go take it.

1043
00:58:56,000 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 2: The The whiff I got from this tie was a

1044
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 2: good quarterback replaced or passed over for a potentially great one.

1045
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 2: You're col Stout. You're Kelly Bryant mostly just you know,

1046
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 2: above average climes and quarterbacks. You're Jalen Hurts when Tua

1047
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 2: comes in and supplants him. Even though Jalen Hurts is

1048
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 2: the current NFL starter? Is he not Max Brown at

1049
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 2: USC with Sam Darnold. You know, Max Brown starts a

1050
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 2: couple of games and you're just like, look, it's not working.

1051
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 2: It's not that you're bad, it's just not working. We

1052
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:34,479
Speaker 2: got this other guy, and we think he can be

1053
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 2: more for us. I I'm trying to I was trying

1054
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 2: to think of like even Jack Cone at Wisconsin right

1055
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 2: with like Oh gram Mertz, is there a rated quarterback recruit?

1056
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 2: Is there a Spencer Rattler version of this Caleb Williams.

1057
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 2: I consider that Spencer Ratler I think had every opportunity,

1058
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 2: Like I don't think he had any real reason to

1059
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 2: look over his shoulder as Heisman contender at Caleb Williams,

1060
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 2: even though you know the ceiling of Kayleb Williams was obvious.

1061
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 2: I think the Clems, excuse me, the Oklahoma offense, that

1062
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 2: was a loaded misstep I made with brand Vennables. The

1063
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 2: I think Spencer Rattler was in a different situation than

1064
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 2: like Kelly Bryant, where even though Kelly Bryant took them

1065
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 2: to the playoff knowing Trevor Lawrence, like the disparity between

1066
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 2: those two ceilings. I think was pretty clear to the

1067
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 2: coaches pretty quickly, whereas Spencer Ratler was considered be like

1068
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 2: a top five NFL draft pick, something Kelly Bryant never was.

1069
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 2: So that's why I think it's a little bit different.

1070
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 2: Spencer Rattler earned. I think the benching that he got. Yeah, Now,

1071
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 2: there were still problems with the Oklahoma offense overall, Right,

1072
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 2: the offensive line wasn't where it was, the depth a

1073
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 2: running back receiver which just wasn't where it was with

1074
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 2: in terms of electric playmakers. What about like Arkansas State

1075
01:00:56,600 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 2: fans losing what Hugh Freeze gotmus on Brian Harrison and

1076
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 2: in quick succession that like, it's no disrespect to Arkansas State.

1077
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 2: Now Blake Anderson leaves for Utah State, it's no disrespect.

1078
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 2: But also I'm going somewhere that is a little bit

1079
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 2: better than the school.

1080
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's not their fault that I very much fault.

1081
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 1: I very much considered that group of five angle to this, Yeah,

1082
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 1: because it's so true and it's it's one of the

1083
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 1: great injustices in the sport that we love the fact

1084
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 1: that these awesome programs in the American or the MAC

1085
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 1: or the Mountain West or anywhere. Yeah, they can put

1086
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 1: together a banger of a program that does everything the

1087
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 1: right way and it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It's

1088
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 1: still a stepping stone job for better or worse. Mm hmm.

1089
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you. And there's not that many places

1090
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 2: like that, and that's that's a testament to Arkansas State

1091
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 2: that this is a place that allows coaches to succeed,

1092
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 2: allows them to fulfill their visions, allows them to raise

1093
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 2: their profile. And there are are just not that many

1094
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 2: places like Boise has kind of been that place. Dan Hawkins,

1095
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 2: Chris Peterson, and Brian Harson now moving on. But no,

1096
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 2: there are not that many of those places where you're

1097
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 2: just like, look, we're pursuing greatness, no disrespect, but we're

1098
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 2: not here to be you know, the hall of good

1099
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 2: and reality.

1100
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 1: Moving on to a track called Happier track number eight.

1101
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 1: I hope you're happy, but not like how you were

1102
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 1: with me. I'm selfish, I know I can't let you go. Yeah,

1103
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 1: so find someone great, but don't find no one better.

1104
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 1: I hope that you're happy, but don't be happier. Happier. Yeah,

1105
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 1: this is obviously coming to grips with I think moving

1106
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 1: on after a relationship, feeling a little spiteful though right

1107
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 1: towards the next spie, still wanting to feel that twinge

1108
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: of pain, a little bit of passive aggressiveness going on.

1109
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 2: This is every coach leaving, every fan base after our

1110
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 2: coach leaves, like, look, I don't want him to be

1111
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 2: unemployed and poor, but also I want some embarrassment.

1112
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of feel like there are vibes here

1113
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 1: with Dabo Sweeney losing all of his assistance and support staff. Okay,

1114
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 1: I feel like Dabo's looking out and he's happy, right,

1115
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 1: He's happy for Brent Vannables. Venables has been with him forever.

1116
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 1: Tony Elliott's been there a while. But I have this

1117
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 1: feeling that he's looking out and he's saying, Okay, I

1118
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 1: hope you're happy at Virginia. Yeah, I hope you're happy

1119
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 1: at Oklahoma. I hope he still beat you by sixty

1120
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 1: five the next time we play. Of course, of course,

1121
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 1: Dan Radakaevich left, the athletic director went down to Miami.

1122
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 1: I hope you're happy deal with that situation. I hope

1123
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 1: it works out. I really do. It's a cave at

1124
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 1: your Kovich. I don't know, Okay, but don't be happier.

1125
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 1: Don't be happier going elsewhere. Todd Bates, what is it

1126
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 1: the line coach right tackles coach whatever it was for Oklahoma,

1127
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 1: he followed Venables out to Oklahoma. Ted Roof, oh god,

1128
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 1: not Ted Roof. Yeah, you can have Ted Roof, but

1129
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 1: just like that Twins, you know, Dabbo's got that side

1130
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 1: to him. Yeah, I was.

1131
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 2: I was trying to think of the coaches, and I

1132
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 2: had mentioned Todd Graham and Paul Christ leaving, but then

1133
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 2: I wanted to think about like a coach who inexplicably

1134
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 2: left for a team within the conference, which is rare,

1135
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:26,520
Speaker 2: which is definitely rare, And my mind went to Tom

1136
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 2: O'Brien moving from Boston College to NC State.

1137
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:31,360
Speaker 1: That's a real deep cut there.

1138
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 2: Where you're just if you're a BC fan, like some

1139
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 2: good seasons with Tob and he leaves for NC State

1140
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:41,920
Speaker 2: and he's like, well, I think we can do just

1141
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 2: as well as Tob.

1142
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 1: But also, was Tob a thing? Did people call him Tob?

1143
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe I do.

1144
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 2: Where you're you can make peace with it, he's not

1145
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 2: end all, be all. You can make peace with it,

1146
01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 2: but you don't want him. You don't want it to

1147
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:01,080
Speaker 2: be seen as you were the school holding him back.

1148
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 2: And ultimately Tob was Tob right wherever he was, and

1149
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 2: I think is credited with not sticking by Russell Wilson. Now,

1150
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:11,480
Speaker 2: I know Russell Wilson wanted to go play baseball, and

1151
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 2: Mike Glennon was this up and coming guy who was

1152
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 2: on a certain level defensible. But then when you actually

1153
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 2: watch the two of them play, you're like, maybe not so. Yeah,

1154
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 2: Tob is Tob And I could imagine BC fans saying

1155
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 2: that's weird, that's just yeah, it just doesn't strike me

1156
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:26,439
Speaker 2: the right way.

1157
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are twinges here. I think of any great

1158
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:34,800
Speaker 1: number of coaching changes, any great number of coaching changes.

1159
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 1: Even caught notes of this from some of the Notre

1160
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 1: Dame players talking about Brian Kelly leaving. Kyle Hamilton, I

1161
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 1: think is one that comes to mind. I heard some

1162
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 1: of his comments in the immediate news of the departure,

1163
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 1: Brian Kelly going to LSU. Very grateful for Brian Kelly,

1164
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 1: very grateful for what he did, and you know, we

1165
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 1: wish coach Kelly and his family the best. But come on, dude,

1166
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 1: come on, I agree, Come on, dude, what are we

1167
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 1: talking about here? All right? Two tracks left? Jealousy, jealousy,

1168
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 1: I'm ready jealousy jealousy. This is feeling frustrated. This is

1169
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 1: feeling jealous. Obviously looking around at everybody else, seems like

1170
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 1: they all have it so good. And I think it's

1171
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 1: about having the self awareness to realize you shouldn't be jealous,

1172
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 1: but at the same time you kind of are and

1173
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 1: you can't help it. And that's just see the way

1174
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 1: it is your thoughts here so obviously usc fandom post

1175
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 1: Pete Carrolls, like everybody else is having so much fun.

1176
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 1: We've got these stupid sanctions. We keep hiring these coaches,

1177
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 1: these boy wonder coaches who aren't good enough. There's that

1178
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,480
Speaker 1: to it, I would say, Tennessee, at the end of

1179
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 1: the Phil Folmer era, looking around the SEC, everybody's recruiting everybody.

1180
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 1: You know, you're bringing in, you know, Butch Davis, Like,

1181
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:53,919
Speaker 1: you're bringing in guys who are just not anywhere near

1182
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:55,360
Speaker 1: as fun Derek Dooley.

1183
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 2: If you're looking around like we're the.

1184
01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 1: Ones with Dooley, Yeah, this is our guy. Had a

1185
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:03,880
Speaker 1: great head of hair. That was about That was about it.

1186
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 2: I would say Texas A and M that I think

1187
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 2: there is a complex is too strong a word. I

1188
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:13,920
Speaker 2: think there's a characteristic of Texas A and M fandom

1189
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:17,439
Speaker 2: that says, look at everybody else, why aren't you talking

1190
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 2: about A and M in the way you're talking about

1191
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 2: even Texas. Why isn't A and M given the attention

1192
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 2: of these other schools we're spending all this money. Oh

1193
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 2: that's someone we have, Jimbo Fisher, we have good. There

1194
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:35,480
Speaker 2: is that mentality of you're not talking about us enough,

1195
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 2: You're not considering us enough, you are not praising us enough,

1196
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:43,919
Speaker 2: you are not paying enough attention to us. I would

1197
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 2: also add any of the major schools who can't help

1198
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:52,440
Speaker 2: but field awful offenses that are stagnating and stuck in

1199
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 2: the past. Iowa, Michigan State, previous Michigan State administration. I

1200
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:00,960
Speaker 2: think those are like fan base that are looking around

1201
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 2: saying like, why aren't we running an interesting spread? Why

1202
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 2: aren't we doing why don't we have a running quarterback?

1203
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:09,480
Speaker 2: Why don't we create these mismatches? Why don't we why

1204
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:13,120
Speaker 2: can't we find Liam Cohen that Kentucky found to sort

1205
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:15,520
Speaker 2: of jumpstart things. I could see a lot of programs

1206
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 2: looking around and saying we're going through and out every

1207
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:20,840
Speaker 2: single time because we just have no we're throwing the

1208
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:23,680
Speaker 2: ball short of the sticks on third and seven. I

1209
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:26,519
Speaker 2: think there's jealousy among teams like that, Like if you're

1210
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:30,240
Speaker 2: rooting for a cal offense these past few years, I

1211
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 2: think you're probably jealous of a number of schools in

1212
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:35,280
Speaker 2: the PAC twelve. So that to me, yeah, A and

1213
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:40,760
Speaker 2: M fandom and then fans of teams rooting for ancient offenses.

1214
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 1: I like that one. That's a very good angle. Oh

1215
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 1: thank you, that's so good. Okay, as I look at

1216
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:49,360
Speaker 1: this one, this is James Franklin looking around at the

1217
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 1: coaching landscape. This is James Franklin saying I have this

1218
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 1: almost exactly. Yeah, this is James Franklin saying I love

1219
01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 1: Penn State. I would really like any of those other jobs.

1220
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:02,040
Speaker 1: I would really like to go to USC or maybe

1221
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 1: LS you or really anywhere outside of state college. But

1222
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 1: because we had a lousy year and because my stock dropped,

1223
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 1: there's no chance of it happening. Listen to some of

1224
01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:17,639
Speaker 1: these lyrics. Yep. I see everyone getting all the things

1225
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:20,960
Speaker 1: I want, and I'm happy for them. But then again,

1226
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:24,200
Speaker 1: I'm not their win is not my loss. I know

1227
01:09:24,280 --> 01:09:27,240
Speaker 1: it's true, but I can't help getting caught up in

1228
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 1: it all. I believe, I believe James Franklin will find

1229
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 1: some way within the next five years to jump to

1230
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 1: what he perceives as a greener pasture. Yeah. I don't know.

1231
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:42,360
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody turned over at this point, so I

1232
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 1: don't know what jobs are out there. But I have

1233
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:48,680
Speaker 1: believed for a long time that Franklin's looking to get out.

1234
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:53,080
Speaker 1: Sure didn't happen signed the big deal. The deal is

1235
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:57,599
Speaker 1: structured in such a way that there's a meager buyout

1236
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 1: in three years whatever, so if you want to at

1237
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 1: some point he camp m h. I believe that that

1238
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 1: was the deal for James Franklin this year. I believe

1239
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 1: that because of what went down, it just didn't work out.

1240
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:12,120
Speaker 1: I believe he's looking at the landscape and thinking, Man,

1241
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 1: all of these programs, all of these programs were out there,

1242
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:19,840
Speaker 1: were available, and it just wasn't going to happen for

1243
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:21,679
Speaker 1: me because of the way things went down at Penn State.

1244
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I sort of looked at this from

1245
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 2: the flip side of like knowing you were being taken

1246
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:31,760
Speaker 2: advantage of. It's every school being used for leverage, and

1247
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:36,040
Speaker 2: whether it's Penn State, whether it's jobs that James Franklin

1248
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 2: allegedly was looking at. I mean, this is just the

1249
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 2: entirety of the Jimmy Sexton Trace Armstrong experience exactly where

1250
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 2: he just like listening to coaches saying, why am I

1251
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 2: not there? Why am I not getting interviews for these

1252
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:48,920
Speaker 2: big jobs? Why am I not being floated for these

1253
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:52,120
Speaker 2: types of huge jobs. And we've seen coaches take advantage

1254
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 2: and we've you know, Lane Kiffin and Gus Malsan getting

1255
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 2: raises because of supposed interest. James Franklin, of course, like

1256
01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 2: just the repeated ability to I don't know, receiving a

1257
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:04,760
Speaker 2: lot of interest that might be very interesting to me,

1258
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:11,760
Speaker 2: and the schools saying it's school saying we like this guy.

1259
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:14,240
Speaker 2: We're not sure if we love him, but we definitely

1260
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:17,800
Speaker 2: don't love the idea of starting from scratch again. So

1261
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:21,480
Speaker 2: it's much easier to just pay the guy, then scramble

1262
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:25,680
Speaker 2: for two recruiting classes that could be dramatically affected and

1263
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:28,680
Speaker 2: fall apart, collapse, whatever if we have to start over

1264
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:30,360
Speaker 2: again and have to hire a new guy to build

1265
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:33,960
Speaker 2: up these relationships. So it's the sort of reality and

1266
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:35,599
Speaker 2: the lot that a lot of these places, a lot

1267
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 2: of these schools are in modern college football, where it's

1268
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:41,840
Speaker 2: just like, yep, we know we are being treated as

1269
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 2: an ATM and there's not much we can do about it.

1270
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 1: Final track titled favorite Crime quote. It's bittersweet to think

1271
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:55,120
Speaker 1: about the damage we do because I was going down,

1272
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:59,640
Speaker 1: but I was doing it with you. Yeah, everything we

1273
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 1: broke in, all the trouble that we made, but I

1274
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 1: say that I hate you with a smile on my face. Dan.

1275
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 1: This is about recounting a relationship knowing that to some

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Speaker 1: extent you were treated poorly, but at the same time

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Speaker 1: you were into it. You liked this person, this entity

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Speaker 1: so much that you kind of lost yourself a little bit,

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Speaker 1: and so it was a bit of a two way street, right.

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Speaker 1: It got caught up in it all clearly. Now on

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Speaker 1: the backside of things, it maybe wasn't the most productive

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Speaker 1: all the time, but there were bright spots, is what

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Speaker 1: I agree. There are bright spots. Favorite Crime, Dan, close

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Speaker 1: it out for us what you got. I think of

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Speaker 1: what it is.

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Speaker 2: It's coaches sticking with quarterbacks and tying their prospects their

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Speaker 2: job prospects, their job status is to quarterbacks. I don't

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Speaker 2: know if it's Tommy Armstrong. I don't know if it's

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Speaker 2: to Corey Harris. Like we've seen it across the sport

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Speaker 2: for a long time. We're just like, man, okay, like

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Speaker 2: I love you, you love me. I don't think we

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Speaker 2: can do better, So let's let's just see what happens.

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Speaker 2: Is it Adrian Martinez, Yeah, but I think, I mean

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Speaker 2: he's gone. Altinaz was smart enough to say this isn't

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Speaker 2: healthy for me. I'm gonna move on to a new

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Speaker 2: new relationship. But a lot of these places, and maybe

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Speaker 2: this has to do with player freedom or lack thereof,

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Speaker 2: where they feel it tied to an indebted to finish

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Speaker 2: things out and improve their final season if they had

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Speaker 2: a rocky first two or three years. But yeah, they

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Speaker 2: are examples of this all over the sport where it's

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Speaker 2: just like this coach is not there anymore because they

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Speaker 2: said this is my guy, and I'm gonna ride this

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Speaker 2: situation to its natural end. And unfortunately that natural end

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Speaker 2: happens to be, you know, one with a pink slip

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Speaker 2: and a healthy buyout.

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Speaker 1: I relate this song to what went down at LSU

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Speaker 1: between Coacho and the administration. Sure, Coach Oh was the

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Speaker 1: native son of Baton Rouge. He was the guy who

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Speaker 1: had the presence and the accent and the energy and

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Speaker 1: the vibe that LSU wants. He was very authentic in

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Speaker 1: that regard. And look, there were years where it didn't

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Speaker 1: work that there was one in twenty nineteen where it

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Speaker 1: really did where it was a renaissance for LSU football.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about that team for generations to come.

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Speaker 1: And it was a year which he sort of had

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Speaker 1: an ultimatum. I guess he had to try and revive

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Speaker 1: the offense. He did, so that was the Joe Brady year, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean Joe Burrow. They transformed that LSU program seemingly

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Speaker 1: overnight and put in one of the greatest single seasons

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Speaker 1: that I think any of us as college football fans

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Speaker 1: will over recall LSU. I think in kicking coach Oh out,

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Speaker 1: they can say whatever they want. They can have published

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Speaker 1: reports coming out about coach Oh and the things that

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Speaker 1: he did or didn't do that maybe the didn't appreciate,

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Speaker 1: But at the same time they were party to this

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Speaker 1: all as well. They'll take that national championship, They'll take

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Speaker 1: that national championship. They'll take all of that authenticity, that

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Speaker 1: true cage and vibe. And they were part of it too,

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Speaker 1: Like this is a two way street.

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Speaker 2: But not the ad who hired him, right, this was

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Speaker 2: not this was Scott Wood where not Joe Oliva. So

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Speaker 2: this was not like the we know this partnership has

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Speaker 2: seen better days and is going down in flames. I

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Speaker 2: don't know what the romantic comparison would be of a

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Speaker 2: situation going poorly, but it's not the one necessarily you

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Speaker 2: signed up for. I don't know whether there's botox involved

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Speaker 2: or something gone awry, but uh yeah, I sort of

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Speaker 2: think that this is you know, maybe somebody lost a

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Speaker 2: ton of weight and it's like I can do better.

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Speaker 2: Look at me, I look so much better. I care

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Speaker 2: so much more.

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Speaker 1: The line in here about saying that I hate you

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Speaker 1: with a smile on my face is what resonated for

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Speaker 1: me with LSU because LSU, look, they were quick to

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Speaker 1: force him out in the end, and you know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: everybody understands it, we get it. Yeah, But at the

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Speaker 1: same time, they did have that one moment in twenty

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Speaker 1: nineteen that was once in a generation that LSU fans

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Speaker 1: will remember forever, and so you know, you can hate

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Speaker 1: the guy in the way out all you want, but

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Speaker 1: he was part of that transformational team and you're always

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Speaker 1: going to have that.

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Speaker 2: The thing that's not I don't know if it's not fair.

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Speaker 2: The thing that makes this sort of thing tricky when

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Speaker 2: talking about coaches and marriages going awry, coaching marriages with schools,

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Speaker 2: with administrators, whatever, is for obvious reasons, we're never gonna

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Speaker 2: know full stories. We're never gonna know the behind the

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Speaker 2: scenes inner workings of this coach did that. Nobody knows

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Speaker 2: this publicly, but it's completely unacceptable that we have this

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Speaker 2: per representing our school and we're not going to put

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Speaker 2: him on blast because it's such a personal thing. Whether

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Speaker 2: it's something about how somebody behaves let's call it dating,

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Speaker 2: let's call it, you know, in the public sphere as

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Speaker 2: they carry themselves there. Let's say, if it's something with

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Speaker 2: I don't know, and I'm literally I'm not alluding to

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Speaker 2: anybody when I say this, like intoxicants, stuff like that,

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Speaker 2: like drugs and booze, and how they carry themselves with

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Speaker 2: you know, perhaps overserving themselves. So the problem is we're

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Speaker 2: looking at this scenario whereas maybe fans on message boards,

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Speaker 2: maybe boosters know, maybe all these things. And this is

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Speaker 2: not an LSU thing either, where we're saying, oh man,

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Speaker 2: this marriage was a disascerin they weren't given enough time,

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Speaker 2: or they were this was handled in appropriately, Like we

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Speaker 2: know twenty seven percent of what's going on at a

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Speaker 2: place based on what is able to trickle out. So

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Speaker 2: I think that's also true. And that goes back to

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Speaker 2: forgetting Sarah Marshall. That's also true of that really relationship

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Speaker 2: where you're looking at Jason Siegel as the sympathetic character,

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Speaker 2: but maybe he wasn't putting in the effort and being

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Speaker 2: his best, the best partner he could be. And so

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Speaker 2: that to me is the interesting part of this song,

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Speaker 2: of this this question in the scenario is, man, do

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Speaker 2: we really know? Do we really know that Olivia Rodrigo

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Speaker 2: was the one who was wronged because we are.

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Speaker 1: Only hearing We're only hearing one side of the side,

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Speaker 1: her sour side of the story. Don't both sides me with.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, don't go relationship much like a season

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Speaker 1: is a living breathing thing that ebbs and flows.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Right in soliverbo at gmail dot com, follow along on

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Speaker 1: social media. Please do comment. There will be ample opportunities

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Speaker 1: to do so, let us know what we got right,

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Speaker 1: let us know what we got wrong. Surely there are

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Speaker 1: many things that we got wrong. Of course, I just

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Speaker 1: want to know people's examples. Yeah, if you want to

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Speaker 1: hate on the show concept, you can direct that to

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Speaker 1: me at Ty Hildon Brandt. Correct, correct, correct, But yeah,

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Speaker 1: let us know other examples, perhaps that we missed, because look,

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Speaker 1: look at the lyrics. Listen to the album. If you

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Speaker 1: really take yourself to that headspace, there's a serious college

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Speaker 1: football connection here. And despite what the Hollywood reporter might

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Speaker 1: say about this album, I believe there's a chance that

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Speaker 1: maybe that's why she wrote it.

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Speaker 2: Which track is most applicable? And you mentioned driver's license

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Speaker 2: is most applicable to the most down you've ever been

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Speaker 2: over a relationship.

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Speaker 1: Driver's License? I think probably?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, I think mine or good for you Good

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Speaker 2: for you too is another choice selection?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I would. What what's track two? Track two

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Speaker 1: is Trader?

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Speaker 2: I think Trader would be mine. I think that's the

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Speaker 2: one that resonated with me that like the X has

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Speaker 2: moved on, so easily. I was two thousand and one

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Speaker 2: for me, ty story for another day that set me down.

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Speaker 1: and rate and review the podcast wherever you can find us. Dan.

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Speaker 2: Yes, oh, and to be clear, I'm not talking about

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Speaker 2: nine to eleven with two thousand and one right that

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Speaker 2: is it is just talking about a high school relationship

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Speaker 2: slash college relationship gone around.

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Speaker 1: That's all for that guy there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein,

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Speaker 1: For myself, Tie Hildon Brandt, thank you so much for downloading,

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Speaker 1: for listening, for playing along in this weird game at home.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you all soon. Stay solid, peace. It's

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