1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a gorgeous young woman plans 2 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 1: to date through ok Cupid. She's never seen again. Where 3 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: is Leslie? I mean, see Grace. This is Crime Stories. 4 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation. 5 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: In series XM one eleven, the talk talk of the 6 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: clot is driving Leslie's family insane because with every hour 7 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 1: that passes, the likelihood I've heard coming through this alive Dwandols. 8 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:50,279 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at wc R A well. 9 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: The family of a Sacramental woman says she's been missing 10 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: for several days now and they need your help. Take 11 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: a look at your screen here. This is Leslie Benanissa. 12 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: Today we spoke with her brother, who says the last 13 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 1: time the family had contact with Leslie was nine days ago, 14 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: back on April fifteenth, to tell us she was supposed 15 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: to go on a date with someone that she met 16 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,639 Speaker 1: on an app, a dating app. Her family says, Leslie 17 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: is currently taking classes at Sacramento State and it's out 18 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: of character for her to disappear like this. Her birthday 19 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 1: was just passed on Sunday, and it is very unlike 20 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: her to not be in contact with any of us. 21 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: Family did follow a report with police officers tell us 22 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: that they are investigating and right now they do not 23 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: suspect foul play. But if you have any information about 24 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: Leslie's whereabouts, please call the Sacramento Police so her family 25 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 1: won't worry. You know what, that sounded pretty benign, because 26 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: this woman has never disappeared in her life, and now 27 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: she's missing her own birthday and it has not had 28 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: any contact with her family. I don't think she just 29 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: went on a walk about, you know, which leads me 30 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: to the question doctor Bethany Marshall is joining us psychoanalyst 31 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: from Beverly Hills. Bethanie, why did they always say the 32 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: same thing? It almost makes me physically hurt. No suspicion 33 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: of wrongdoing. The woman has been gone now for weeks, Nancy, 34 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: my heart sank. Family asn't heard from her work, nothing, Nanthy, 35 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: did you hear the tone of voice of the reporter. 36 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,519 Speaker 1: We don't suspect, They don't suspect foul play. Of course 37 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: there's foul play. This woman was in touch with her family. 38 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: Did you see her photographs? She's beautiful. The one photograph 39 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,239 Speaker 1: I saw she's actually facing a relative. I think a 40 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: baby is though, you know, sitting on his shoulders and 41 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: she's laughing, and she seems connected. This woman loved her family. 42 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: She was in school. That means she was probably reading, 43 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: preparing for class assignments. There would be some sign of 44 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:51,679 Speaker 1: activity in her life if everything was okay. She went 45 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 1: on a date in the morning, Nancy the sky picked 46 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 1: her up in the morning, and she's never been heard 47 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 1: from since. Something is terrible, terribly wrong, terribly wrong. No 48 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: activity on the ATM, no activity on the credit cards. Nothing. 49 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: I'm now hanging onto the hope they were going to 50 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: get a ping on her phone, but here you're hearing 51 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: it again. No suspicion of foul play. Take a listen 52 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 1: to our cut four from Fox forty. Police tell Fox 53 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: forty that Leslie left on her own from her home 54 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: and there was no indication of foul play. Family say 55 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: their mother became worried after text messages she sent last 56 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 1: week went unanswered. I text her back and I could 57 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: see that the message wasn't going through, which is not 58 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: like my sister. I would she would at least turn 59 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: her phone on, even if she didn't always reply right away. 60 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: She would have her phone on. And what they find 61 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: especially disturbing is that Leslie's birthday was on Saturday. The 62 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: family always celebrates birthdays, but Leslie's phone was turned off 63 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: when her birthday came. I sent her another message, and 64 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: by midday, without her turning her phone on or texting 65 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: us or anything, I knew that there was something wrong, 66 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: something very very wrong. And this beautiful young woman, Leslie 67 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: ben Aisa, the ben Aisa family, it says that she 68 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: is loving and trusting to all the qualities that you 69 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: want in a person, may actually be working against her. 70 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,559 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut five Our friensy Fox forty. 71 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 1: They described their sister as a loving and trusting person 72 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 1: who was full of life. They want her to know this, Leslie, 73 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: if you're if you're watching this, if you see this, 74 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: you know that we are looking for you. We love you, 75 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: We want you to come home and hopefully you're safe 76 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: and we'll see you soon. And although police said that 77 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: they don't suspect any foul play, the family is of 78 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 1: course very worried. They said this is very out of 79 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: character for her, especially because she didn't answer text messages 80 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 1: from their mother. So if you have any information on 81 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: her whereabouts, you're encouraged to contact Sacramento police. Guys, we 82 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: are talking about a beautiful young woman, Leslie ben Aisa 83 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: joining me right now. Special guest Aleena shot X joining 84 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: us from Katie l X Sacramento. Lena, thank you so 85 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: much for being with us. If we could just go 86 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: through the day that she goes missing. What happened that day? 87 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: Her sisters tell me that she was getting ready to 88 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 1: meet someone that she met on a dating app. She 89 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: was very excited about it. It was in the morning 90 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: time of the fifteenth, and so they one sister in 91 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: Sacramento that I met in person with. She said that 92 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 1: she was going to be brought up to date the 93 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: details of this date from her sister from Leslie, but 94 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: she never heard back from her. And that Tuesday, I 95 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: believe that I spoke with them. They had just gotten 96 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: in formation from the wireless carrier that there's been absolutely 97 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: no activity on her cell phone since that day. Have 98 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: the police tried to pay it rowing a shattucks? That 99 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 1: is something that we were trying to find out from 100 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 1: Sacramento Police. I was communicating with them through text messages. 101 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 1: That was one of the questions that I had asked. 102 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: I didn't get an answer to it. So I got 103 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: the feeling that that was maybe some hold back information. 104 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: Maybe that's something that they were working on that they 105 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: weren't ready to share at that time. What they did 106 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: tell us that they were aware of is that they 107 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:39,799 Speaker 1: believe that she did leave from her place on her own, 108 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: and that they again didn't suspect any foul play. But 109 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: that's difficult to believe because talking with the sisters, they said, 110 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: this is just very out of character for her, because 111 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: she always communicates with them, even though she might not 112 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: text back immediately. You know, when it comes to their mother, 113 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: that's someone that she always will communicate with, and she 114 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: just hasn't done that. You know, we know that she 115 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: was on ok Cupid and I'm looking at it right 116 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: now and you see all these attractive It's very inviting. 117 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: You see all these attractive people, smiling men and women, 118 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: and you know it gives you tips about how to 119 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: find the right single for you. You know, these online 120 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: dating websites are fraught with peril. I started to write 121 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: about one story in my last book, Don't Be a Victim. 122 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: One story. It turned into a massive chapter about online dating, 123 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: what to do and what not to do. One of 124 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: the things you must do is you've got to tell 125 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: somebody where you're going. I don't know if she did that, 126 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: but I do know that there is a restaurant in 127 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: town Aaron, Sacramento call the Orchid Tie Thie Restaurant. What 128 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: can you tell me about information from the Orchid Thai 129 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: restaurant and bar rowing is shattucks. Honestly, I'm not familiar 130 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: with that, and from what the sisters told me, I 131 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: don't believe that she had told them specifics about where 132 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: the date was to take place. That was one of 133 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: their concerns, and that was one of the pieces of 134 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: advice that they gave to our viewers is that if 135 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 1: you are going to meet someone on a dating app 136 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: for the first time, to definitely make sure that your 137 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: relatives of friends, someone knows you're whereabouts, even if it's 138 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: a public place that you were supposed to be meeting at, 139 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 1: to make sure and share the location wherever that may be. 140 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: Always meet at a public place. Do not give the 141 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: person you're dating all your info, Like, from what I'm understanding, 142 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: she was picked up at her home. No, No, they 143 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: don't need to know where you live or where you 144 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: were until you decide they're trustworthy and you hand that 145 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: information over to them. Don't post pictures that have your 146 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: car with your car tag or out in front of 147 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: your work that says WMAZ and you're standing under it. 148 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 1: Don't have your address, your car, your work address, anything 149 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: that identifies how you can be found. What if you 150 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: have the first date and you realize the person is 151 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: a stark or freak, you don't want them to have 152 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,319 Speaker 1: your information and they can easily pull the wool over 153 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: your eyes online or kid Tie has been called Sacramento's 154 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: best authentic tie food. And what I like about it 155 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: is it's very open. If you look, I mean, you 156 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: don't have to have been there, but if you look online, 157 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: the whole front wall is glass, it's very well lit. 158 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: It's in an area where other businesses are around it. 159 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: That's just the kind of place you'd want to meet 160 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: on a first date. But from what I'm hearing, Rowena Shattucks, 161 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: the he picked her up at home? Is that correct? 162 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:05,959 Speaker 1: From what I can recall from what the sister said 163 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:10,199 Speaker 1: is that she had communicated with this person and they 164 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: were to meet somewhere I believe. I think it was 165 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 1: somewhere in the Midtown area, perhaps not far from where 166 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: she lives. Okay, but back to him picking her up, 167 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: do we know that happened. I do not know that 168 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: that happened for certain. As her sisters, that was the 169 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: last information was that they were to meet, But no 170 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: one knows for certain. But they're all assuming that that's, 171 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: of course what happened. Something happened, and that they assumed 172 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: that he picked her up or that they met there there. 173 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: From what I was told from the sisters is that 174 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: they were going to meet, not necessarily that he picked 175 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 1: her up from her residence, but they were going to meet. Okay, 176 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: let me ask you a couple of more questions. Did 177 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: she drive a vehicle? Does she have a vehicle that 178 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,319 Speaker 1: I don't know? I have no idea because that's the 179 00:10:56,400 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: first thing I would do immediately, Time Stories with Nancy 180 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: Grace Matthew Mangino joining US former prosecutor, former Parole Board 181 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: member and author of The Executioner's Toll. Matthew Mangino, Here's 182 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: what I would do, like in the first hour, determine 183 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,839 Speaker 1: if she has the vehicle, find out the making model 184 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: and the tag number even the then put an alert 185 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: out for that vehicle. That's the first thing you want. 186 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: Toll bridges, you want, tag grabbers, you want if you 187 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: can get it, and it'll take a minute to turn 188 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: this around. Red light cams, anything you can find from 189 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: local businesses near where her car would have gone. First thing. 190 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: Then immediately paying the cell check for her at m 191 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: her credit card. It's anything that could give you an 192 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: electronic trail. Now I've been asking about the Orchid Tie 193 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:11,719 Speaker 1: restaurant and bar in Sacramento. Apparently grasps the security footage 194 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:17,319 Speaker 1: were shared showing Leslie there the same day that she 195 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: went missing. That's a big deal. That's the start of 196 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: the timeline. Matthew Mangino. Yeah, so I agree with you, Nancy. 197 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: You know, the one issue here that's a bit problematic 198 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: is I don't think law enforcement got into this case quickly. 199 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: I mean I think some time went by before her 200 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:42,679 Speaker 1: family even acknowledged that there might be something wrong and 201 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 1: that so that set a law enforcement back a bit. 202 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:47,839 Speaker 1: But I agree with you. You know what you want 203 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 1: to do is immediately see you know, is there any 204 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 1: transactions you know, where was she did she used a 205 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: credit card, so you can find out where she might 206 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 1: have been or where that credit card was used after 207 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: the fact, certainly you want to know if you had 208 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: a vehicle, you want to you want to look at 209 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,959 Speaker 1: that cell phone and see what history you can find, 210 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: or if you can ping that cell phone to see 211 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: where she was when that cell phone went off. Apparently 212 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:15,559 Speaker 1: the cell phone was turned off on that day that 213 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 1: she had this blind date through the dating service. And 214 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: of course, as you've already acknowledged, you want to go 215 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: right to that dating service and see if there's some 216 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: information you can gain from from from that area as well, 217 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: particularly about the person that she was corresponding with or 218 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 1: communicating with who ultimately she had this blind date with, 219 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: and try to get that information as quickly as you can, 220 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: even if you are a little bit behind the eight ball, 221 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:46,719 Speaker 1: so to speak, that you didn't get involved in this 222 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: case immediately, but in a missing person as we all know, uh, 223 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 1: you know, time is extremely important and you need to 224 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: do those things immediately. Yeah, you know, right, Matthew mean Gino. 225 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: Typically when someone has been abducted, they're going to be 226 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 1: killed with especially youth, but they're going to be killed 227 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: within the first three days if they're kept, if they're 228 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 1: raped and left a whole nother thing. But when you 229 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: keep the victim with you, they very rarely come out 230 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: of that alive. Another thing we know is that she 231 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: was seen in Orchidtai. Then she was observed walking up 232 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: sixteenth Street. They're in Sacramento, toward the University of Beer Bar. 233 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: She was supposed to meet a person she met on 234 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: okay Cupid. When you'll look at the page, it's very benign, 235 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: it's very welcoming, all these happy people that apparently have 236 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: met their mate on okay Cupid or pictured. The person 237 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: she was supposed to meet goes by the name b 238 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: B as in brother e A goes by the name 239 00:14:56,440 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: B now. Matthew Mangino mentioned that there was a delay 240 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: between the last day she was seen, which was the fifteenth, 241 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: that was April fifteen, and the time she was reported. 242 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut three from Fox forty. 243 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: Family says Leslie was last seen around the fifteenth in 244 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: the area around the Capitol. Her sisters tell Fox forty 245 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: News that she was getting ready to go out on 246 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: a date with someone she'd met on a dating app. 247 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: If anybody uses the site okay Cupid, I would like 248 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: them to reach out if they have any information on 249 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: a person that goes by the name of b that 250 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: would really help me and my family or if they 251 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: had seen her calls a Sacramento police tomorrow too. Derry 252 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: Ellington just joining us. Certified forensics Examiner, licensed private investigator 253 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: at Ellington Digital Forensics. That's Ellington dot Net. Derek, thank 254 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: you for being with us. I want to follow up 255 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: on this. This area is right around the capitol of 256 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: California and Sacramento. It has to be crawling with state 257 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: officials and cops, but no one noticed anything untoward. That 258 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: tells me she must have gone willingly with her purp 259 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: and that's when things went sideways. Well and absolutely Nancy, 260 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: And one of the things I would say is that 261 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: everything we know about her is that she was a 262 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: very outgoing, happy, loving person and unfortunately that tends to 263 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: be the same type of person that gets more sucked 264 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: in to the people that unique online. And I think 265 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: that there's a disconnect where people think that as people 266 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: are on some type of dating site meeting him through 267 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: something that is as credible as Okaycupid, that there's some 268 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: type of protections in place, and unfortunately that's not the case. 269 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: There aren't protections in place. On the morning of her date, 270 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: Leslie ben Aisa texted her sister and told the sister 271 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: of her plans to have a date. The sister, Caroline 272 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: says that Leslie's phone has been turned off ever since 273 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: that day, and the sister Caroline can tell that Leslie 274 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: has not read any of the family's texts. I mean, 275 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: this is just like a wolf crawling up sneaking up 276 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: on a sheep. The phone is turned off, there's no ATM, 277 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: there's no credit card activity, nothing. So Derek Ellington to me, 278 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: the best lead we've got right now is knowing where 279 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 1: she last was at the Orchid Thai restaurant, walking up 280 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:43,120 Speaker 1: the street away and okay Cupid. I mean, when you're 281 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: sign up for okay Cupid, you have to put in 282 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: unless you lie about it, your d ob, your email. 283 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: I mean, can't they track the internet provider, the ipn 284 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: of who was texting writing on okay Cupid. Well, what 285 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 1: we hope, Nancy, is that law enforcement is following those 286 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 1: leads and there is a lot of information that they 287 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: could glean from OKQ. But even if the profile was 288 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: completely fake, you know, they'll they'll know where that person 289 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,199 Speaker 1: connected from where the account was set up from I 290 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: think the more concerning is the absence of cell phone data. 291 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 1: I think it's important to note that if the cell 292 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: phone is active, law enforcement's ability, like we talked about 293 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 1: paying the phone, there's a very very high accuracy of 294 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 1: locating a person, maybe even looking at other phones that 295 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 1: were active at the same time in the same area. 296 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: The problem is un go ahead, well and exactly we've 297 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: had We've had other crimes where the law enforcement can 298 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: look for other phones that were in the area and 299 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:54,679 Speaker 1: maybe even traveled the same path from tower to tower. 300 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: Now in real time, our ability to do that while 301 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: the phones are on is highly accurate. Unfortunately, and we 302 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: know law enforcement if they are looking, they didn't start 303 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 1: looking until days later. The information we can glean after 304 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 1: the fact is not as accurate and not as reliable. 305 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: What he's talking about anybody can jump in is a stingray. 306 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: It's um it's almost like, well, it is like a 307 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: portable cell tower and it gets data as it is 308 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: in a location. I believe it's harder to get that 309 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: information retroactively correct and so when we're talking about stingray, 310 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 1: we're talking about technology that allows us to basically go 311 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: into an area, pretend to be a cell tower, and 312 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: then track everybody that connects to it in that moment 313 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 1: at that moment. And because she wasn't reported missing, they 314 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: can't all of that would have been at the time 315 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: and we're not going to know correct So what we're 316 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 1: working from is going to be historical information. Now, what 317 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: we would start art with is, let's start with all 318 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,880 Speaker 1: of the people who were connected to that same tower 319 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: she was connected with the last time the phone, you know, 320 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 1: talk to the tower. Now, that could be a dozen people, 321 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 1: it could be hundreds of hundreds of people. You know, 322 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 1: we're going to be thousands capital well sort of, but 323 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: a we self towers are actually directional and they actually 324 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 1: have multiple transponders, So in some cases we can limit 325 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: it to like two hundred and fifty six people for example. Now, 326 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 1: again that sounds like way too much, but if we're 327 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: also working the OkCupid at exactly then you know we're 328 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: narrowing that. Plus, we want to look for people who 329 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: may have traveled, like if she traveled with him, then 330 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: her tower usage and her travel pattern would match his 331 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: travel pattern or our suspects travel patterns. So there are 332 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: tools that law enforcement can use Unfortunately, the longer law 333 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 1: enforcement waits to get involved, the less we have to 334 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 1: work with. I've got another clue, Guys. Rowena Shattucks from 335 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: forty KTLX and I were talking about it. I do 336 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 1: know this about whether she was picked up or not. 337 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 1: It's both both. She went to location near Orchid Tie 338 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 1: and it was there, quote, somebody was on their way 339 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,479 Speaker 1: to come pick her up. She was not picked up 340 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: at her home, but she was in fact picked up 341 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: at that location wherever the two of them had agreed 342 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 1: to meet. She's not picked up at home, Caroline, the 343 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: sister tells Fox forty. Quote, she told me there was 344 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 1: somebody on the way to come pick her. And do 345 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 1: you have a question about this? She apparently had arranged 346 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: to meet her day near the Capitol Building in Sacramento. Okay, 347 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: doctor Bathony, jump in. I'm wondering if she was picked 348 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: up from a familiar place. Did she know the bartender 349 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: Dara there, did she know the bouncer, did she know 350 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 1: the waiters waitresses? You know, it was super smart that 351 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,360 Speaker 1: she did not have the perp pick her up at 352 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: her home, right, she had to pick her up at 353 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: a public place. But what that tells me is that 354 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: there may have been people in that environment who knew her. 355 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,919 Speaker 1: Was this a familiar place to her? Did she know 356 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: the waitresses, the bartender, maybe the parking attendant who was 357 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: in that public environment that might have known her, who 358 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: could have idea the purp or at least had a 359 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 1: conversation with her. You know, when you are going out 360 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: on a date with someone you've met, you're going to 361 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,120 Speaker 1: be super excited. Rite finding a mate is such an 362 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: important developmental task. You start telling everybody all around you, Hey, 363 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 1: I'm going on a date. Hey do you like my 364 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: new dress? Was she talking to someone there who maybe 365 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: is going to recollect who she was with and who 366 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 1: she left with and what about it? Derek, Well, and 367 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: that's exactly right. We always tell people, you know, you 368 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: want the public place you wanted to be on your turns. 369 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: But the perpetrator's goal is going to be to create 370 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 1: that sense of comfort, that sense of connection, but then 371 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 1: probably get her to go to a different location, get 372 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 1: her to go somewhere else where they're more comfortable and 373 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: they're more in control. Now, that's unfortunate, but as we 374 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: talked earlier, the more time that we can have the 375 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 1: two of them together while her phone was still active. 376 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 1: The more possibilities we have. Guys, we are talking about 377 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,479 Speaker 1: a beautiful young woman now missing. We know that she 378 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: had connected for a date. That date, the last date 379 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 1: she was seen alive. As each day passes, the likelihood 380 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: of bringing her home alive decreases drastically. I noticed another 381 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:51,199 Speaker 1: very very odd thing. To Matthew Mangino, former prosecutor and 382 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: now author, the last time her phone was connected to 383 00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: the network was eight forty five a m m. The 384 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 1: morning she went missing. That's very odd because typically violent 385 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: crimes such as kidnap don't occur first thing in the morning. 386 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 1: Have you ever noticed that? I mean, I know it's anecdotal, 387 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: not statistical, but have you ever noticed that? Well, yeah, 388 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:21,479 Speaker 1: and it's unusual that, you know, she would be having 389 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 1: a date, uh you know, I mean I could see, 390 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 1: you know, you're meeting for coffee or something like that. 391 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,919 Speaker 1: But but she had discussed with her sister that she 392 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: was meeting somebody that she had met on this dating service, 393 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: and that does seem unusual. And she said she was 394 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 1: going to meet him at the at the Capitol in Sacramento. 395 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: I would just think that there would be much more 396 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: video available if you were, if investigators should go back, 397 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: I mean, the capital's got to have a lot of 398 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: cameras on the streets and outside of the building. You know, 399 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,679 Speaker 1: the restaurants in that whole area are going to have cameras. 400 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: And all we really know right now is that she 401 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 1: was She was in the one restaurant and then she 402 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: was walking up to the to the other bar area. 403 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: It's curious that there hasn't been more video of her, 404 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 1: which could help fill in some of the blanks in 405 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: terms of who she met and how she was lured 406 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: from that area in the morning. You know, a lot 407 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: of focus has gone on to who is online dating. 408 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: I can answer that in one word, everybody. It's looked 409 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: down upon in certain circles. But I can tell you 410 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:41,239 Speaker 1: my nephew met a wonderful lady. They got married, and 411 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,199 Speaker 1: now they're expecting their second child. They've been married I 412 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 1: don't know eight years. I guess, oh, five years, So 413 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall. The shunning of people who meet online 414 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 1: or go online to get dates, I think it's way misplaced. Yeah, 415 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: it's get to replace. It's so misplaced. As I said earlier, 416 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: finding an appropriate mate is this such an important and 417 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 1: vital developmental task. You know, your marriage or the relationship 418 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 1: with that special someone you'll end up with hopefully for 419 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: the rest of your life. It is the most powerful 420 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: relationship you'll ever have. It's also the most difficult relationship 421 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: you'll ever have. The statistics show that people who are 422 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: actually able to find a good partner, it increases their 423 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: happiness over the lifespan, their ability to connect with other 424 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: family members, it increases their ability to earn a living. 425 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: I mean, it helps in multiple areas of their lives. 426 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:47,679 Speaker 1: So these dating sites actually increase the opportunity for dating. 427 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 1: They increase your chances that you will find the right 428 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: person if you make a good choice, because you don't 429 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:55,679 Speaker 1: just have to walk down the block, you know, in 430 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 1: your small town and date the gas station attendant. You 431 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 1: can choose from multiple equal But as we're talking about 432 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 1: on this show, you have to be wise. You have 433 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: to protect yourself because there's so much anonymity. You know, 434 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 1: think about when when well I started dating before there 435 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 1: was the all these dating services, and you know, so 436 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: in my dating life, whoever I dated, everybody in my 437 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 1: social circle knew them. You know, the Minister of the 438 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: Sunday school teacher, the professor in the college. There's so 439 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: much anonymity on these sites, Nancy, and that's why these 440 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,479 Speaker 1: crimes occurs. It's such as a double edged sword, isn't it? 441 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 1: So much good and so much bad can happen? Crime 442 00:27:53,760 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. This haunting surveillance video shows this 443 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: young woman, Leslie ben Aisa, walking away from the Orchid 444 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:12,919 Speaker 1: Thai restaurant, headed up to meet a day in the morning, 445 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: right there in broad daylight at the Capitol of California 446 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 1: in Sacramento. And I find that very odd. We do 447 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: know this person had access to a cell phone, access 448 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: to computer be at an iPad or a laptop, that 449 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: he was active on the Okay Cupid website, and that 450 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: he had the vehicle to go pick her up. So 451 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: where do we go from here? I think I heard 452 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: you jumping in with that you, Derek Ellington, go ahead, 453 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: Matt like they just And I know we touched on 454 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 1: this briefly, but I was looking at some statistics with 455 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: regard to the predators unfortunately that used these dating services. Certainly, 456 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: these apps can be very helpful to people, and they 457 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: do start relationships. As you mentioned, Nancy, but you know, 458 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: about twenty five percent of rapists or use dating apps 459 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: to try to find their victims, and they go through 460 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: a grooming process with these people, uh, you know, to 461 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 1: make them think that they're getting involved in the perfect 462 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: relationship and it's a serious, long term relationship and then 463 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: boom they they attack, and so well, it does some 464 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: good things for people, it also you know, puts people 465 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: in danger who are vulnerable to this type of activity. 466 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: And Nancy, oh yeah, go ahead, Derek Callington Nancy. And 467 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: as you covered in your book, we all know or 468 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: we all discuss the things that you're supposed to do, 469 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: you know, the meeting in a public place, so telling 470 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: your friends you know where you're going to be. There's 471 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 1: other things like, you know, making sure you video chat 472 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: with a person before you meet them so that they 473 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: are who they are, being wa ry of request for 474 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 1: money or financial assistance. You know, anyone who is on 475 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: a dating site has probably got an actual real world 476 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: social media footprint Facebook, Instagram, you know, you want to 477 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: check him out there. And I think the problem that 478 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: we run into is that we can tell people these 479 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 1: things and we all know these are the things to do, 480 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 1: but then we're still fighting with that. This is different. 481 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: This won't happen to me because the problem is the 482 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 1: predators are really good at being who you want them 483 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: to be. Well, i've got you, Darry Ellington, forensics examiner. 484 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: What about the cloud? We say, okay, we don't have 485 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: herself on she cut it off at eight forty five 486 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 1: am in the morning. But what about what's in the cloud? 487 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: Can't we get texts between her and the person unless 488 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: they communicated exclusively on OKAYQPID. Well, and that's what we're 489 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: hoping again we talked earlier, we're hoping that law enforcement 490 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: is doing that. You know, they'll they'll have access to 491 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: the profiles, they'll know who she talked to, They'll they'll 492 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 1: have access to our text message. The concern is, you know, 493 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: at the very beginning of this, we talked about how 494 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: law enforcement didn't want to use words foul play. They 495 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: didn't want to, uh, you know, categorize this as something 496 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: you know, predatorial. But the problem is the sooner they 497 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 1: make that decision and the sooner they take it serious, 498 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 1: the sooner they can have access to the things you're 499 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: talking about. Okay, Well, this is what I don't understand. 500 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: Let me rephrase my question to you, Derek Yellington, if 501 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: she had communicated with the perp via cell phone, wouldn't 502 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 1: that be in the cloud, the text messages and or emails. Yes, no, No, absolutely, 503 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: including text messages. Yes, absolutely, and it's yes, and it 504 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: is our hope that law enforcements that right mutely, and 505 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,479 Speaker 1: that's why we want law enforcement to take it. They 506 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: may have communicated strictly through the dating app. Like a 507 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: lot of times when I'm waiting through my twin cell phones, 508 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: it's just just like I look and look and I 509 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: catch and being good. So after a while I quit 510 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,719 Speaker 1: looking when I do look. You know, it's very easy 511 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 1: to communicate in ways other than texting their snapchat. There 512 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,479 Speaker 1: is what'sapp, there's this, there's that communicating through okay Cupid 513 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: where you send each other messages in real time. I 514 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: don't know how traceable that is. Would that be in 515 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: the cloud as well, Derek Ellington, I think any communication 516 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 1: you have from your cell phone would be yes, well absolutely, 517 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: And the okay Cupid communications should include the location information. 518 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: Law enforcement should have access, so when she was talking 519 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: to the suspect, they should know where that suspect was 520 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 1: communicating to her. From. So if the suspect had lied 521 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 1: or falsified the rest of their information, their actual physical 522 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 1: location when they were making these communications, even what cell 523 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 1: provider and the cell carrier, you know, their account information, 524 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: all that law enforcement will have. Here's something about okay 525 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 1: Cupid to everybody on the panel, to get ready for today. 526 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,479 Speaker 1: I went to okay Cupid and I was looking at it. 527 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: To even get on, you have to put of course, 528 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: you can lie. I just put in I don't even 529 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: know what I put in a female looking for mail. 530 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 1: I put in the quickest D O B O one 531 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: O one something and wanted a zip code. I gave 532 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: it a real zip code, But then it asked for 533 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 1: my email, and I'm just wondering if this guy would 534 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: put in his real email or fabricate an email. I 535 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 1: don't think you can fabricate because then it the okay 536 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: Cupid app would go back to your email that you 537 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: give and verify it. So I just don't understand what's 538 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: taken the cops so long on this. You mentioned the 539 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:52,959 Speaker 1: grooming process on line. What would that be doctor Bethany 540 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 1: Marshall grooming somebody so you can then kidnap them, rape 541 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 1: and kill them. Well, I think firstly, when you're grooming, 542 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 1: you make the victims feel that there's something special and 543 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 1: unique about them. Always you're beautiful, I love your picture, 544 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 1: You're so smart, always, always, always. Then you try to exactly. 545 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: Then then you try to tell the victim that you 546 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: have a unique and special life, and that you try 547 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,839 Speaker 1: to seduce them into feeling that you can offer them 548 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 1: something special that nobody else has offered them. So what 549 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 1: that might be is that the perpetrator could say that 550 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,320 Speaker 1: they're super wealthy, or I hear this from my female patients. 551 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 1: Oh I just met this guy online. Do you know 552 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,359 Speaker 1: he's a CEO of a Fortune five hundred company. That 553 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: one always comes up and usually I say, well, can 554 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 1: you google it and just show me the pictures of him? 555 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: And often there are pictures. It's very strange. These men 556 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,800 Speaker 1: will claim to have published books, they have private planes, 557 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: they have wealth. Often of course their wealth is overseas. 558 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 1: Did they start telling the victim that, oh, you know, 559 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 1: I'm busy, I can't talk today, I can't talk tomorrow. 560 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 1: They kind of selectively disappear and pop in and out 561 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: of the victim's life. Just been married, exactly, and there's 562 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,920 Speaker 1: always a reason for that. And then the money bids comes. 563 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,239 Speaker 1: You know, I don't have enough money for this, or 564 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,319 Speaker 1: could you just please, you know, loan me something for that. 565 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,839 Speaker 1: And often they create some special business enterprise. You know, 566 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 1: if you just gave me five thousand dollars, we could 567 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 1: start this business together. So the money bid comes in 568 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 1: a very seductive form of telling the victim that they 569 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 1: could start a whole new life together. It's a genius, Nancy. 570 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 1: I went to my kind ecologist the other day. I 571 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 1: won't tell you why I would to my kind ecologist. 572 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:51,840 Speaker 1: Single woman and in our middle fifties. She starts telling 573 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 1: me that she fell in love with a guy online, 574 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,280 Speaker 1: communicated with him for about three months, then he started 575 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,360 Speaker 1: asking for money. She was proud of herself for being 576 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: able to detach from the perpetrator. She'd already had feelings 577 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 1: of love and then detachment. And this is a highly 578 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: educated woman in m D. But women of all h's women, 579 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,840 Speaker 1: you know, what are you talking about? Rich people problem? 580 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,920 Speaker 1: I'm talking about this girl maybe dead. I know, Nancy, Okay, Okay, 581 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 1: she's worried she didn't invest twenty five to his bogus business. 582 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 1: You know, but everything you said was correct, as is 583 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,880 Speaker 1: so often the case. Hey, Rowena Shattucks joining me special 584 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 1: guests from Fox forty kat LX Rowena Shattucks. We've heard 585 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 1: this mentioned a couple of times during our program the delay. 586 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 1: So she goes missing April fifteen, She goes on her 587 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:49,399 Speaker 1: date April fifteen. When did the family finally report her missing? Yeah, 588 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 1: it was right around the following week, I believe, because 589 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,360 Speaker 1: this is a family like many that celebrate birthdays, and 590 00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:00,320 Speaker 1: they knew that she was turning forty two the following Saturday. 591 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 1: So when mom started trying to communicate with her, that's 592 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 1: when the sister Caroline got involved and saw that that 593 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 1: text messages to her sister's phone were not even read. 594 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 1: We're talking about the disappearance of a beautiful, young brunette 595 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,359 Speaker 1: woman who goes to meet an Okay Cupid date and 596 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:23,239 Speaker 1: has never seen alive again or cell phone cut off 597 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 1: almost immediately at eight forty five a m. That morning. 598 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 1: Her name is Leslie ben Iesa. She is not the 599 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 1: first to go missing after meeting someone online. Take a 600 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 1: listen to our twenty one our friends at w j 601 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 1: LA and breaking right now. Seven US is on your 602 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 1: side with the latest on a body found in DC 603 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 1: that investigators believe could be the fifth victim of the 604 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,680 Speaker 1: so called shopping cart killer. Tonight, they have released the 605 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 1: identity of that victim. Investigators say the victim is Sonja Champ. 606 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,760 Speaker 1: Her body was found in a shopping cart near Union 607 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,360 Speaker 1: Station back in September. Fairfax Police say they just found 608 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,640 Speaker 1: out about her death, which is being investigated by DC police. 609 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 1: As that continues, Fairfax investigators have confirmed the identity of 610 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,440 Speaker 1: two women they believe we're killed by thirty five year 611 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 1: old Anthony Robinson, and now they're hoping any potential survivors 612 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 1: will come forward and help them learn more about Robinson, 613 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:25,800 Speaker 1: in particular missing females who may fit the victimology profile 614 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 1: of our four victims. What we really need is information 615 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:36,920 Speaker 1: about previous contexts. Our investigators believe Robinson used dating apps 616 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,680 Speaker 1: like Plenty of Fish and tagged to meet his victims. 617 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,360 Speaker 1: He is currently in jail charged in the deaths of 618 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 1: two women in Harrison Burke. Four young women dead at 619 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:51,280 Speaker 1: the hands of the so called shopping cart killer. Bodies 620 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:56,280 Speaker 1: found just callously put in a shopping cart and pushed 621 00:38:56,360 --> 00:39:03,240 Speaker 1: away toward woods, one even near the street. But that's 622 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,280 Speaker 1: just the tip of the iceberg women going missing after 623 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:11,560 Speaker 1: having dates online. The name Laurence Smith feels may not 624 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:13,840 Speaker 1: ring a bell to you, but I will never forget it. 625 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,400 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut six from our friends 626 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 1: at twelve Knees, Westchester. Hi, guys, welcome back to my channel. 627 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,000 Speaker 1: Lauren was a familiar face to YouTube audiences. Her family 628 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,399 Speaker 1: says she had been a track star at Stamford High 629 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:34,120 Speaker 1: School and was now studying physical therapy at Norwalk Community College. 630 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,359 Speaker 1: A sweet child, they say, who had blossomed into a 631 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 1: beautiful young woman who had the whole world at her feet. 632 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,080 Speaker 1: They say Lauren had met quote an older white man 633 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,600 Speaker 1: on the dating nap bumble, and it was he who 634 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,080 Speaker 1: alerted police to Lauren's death. The family says they are 635 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,640 Speaker 1: not satisfied with answers they got from an investigator. I 636 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,760 Speaker 1: asked him about the guy. He just made it seem 637 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,839 Speaker 1: like the god was a nice guy. It was nothing 638 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,279 Speaker 1: to investigate. The only contact that we have had was 639 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:05,640 Speaker 1: from a very insensitive, condescending an arrogant detective. Lauren's dad 640 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,279 Speaker 1: reading a scathing statement saying police failed to extend the 641 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,280 Speaker 1: most basic courtesies and told his family to stop calling, 642 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,120 Speaker 1: And what we know about the case with Lauren is 643 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,719 Speaker 1: the guy she had the bumble date with says he 644 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 1: woke up the following morning beside her and she was 645 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:30,120 Speaker 1: dead with blood coming out off her nostril. Well, what 646 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:34,040 Speaker 1: about Madeleine Allen? Take a listen to our cut eleven 647 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,120 Speaker 1: our friends at Fox thirteen. This is the place Madeline 648 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,239 Speaker 1: Allen was last seen on Monday night. The college says 649 00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,800 Speaker 1: it's been all hands on deck ever since her roommate 650 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:47,040 Speaker 1: reported her missing. Local, state, and federal law enforcement agencies 651 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:51,240 Speaker 1: are involved, interviewing people, looking through phone records, doing everything 652 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,800 Speaker 1: they can to bring Maddie home. The Snowhall dorm security 653 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:59,000 Speaker 1: cameras capture Madeline Allen leaving at nine twenty two Monday night, 654 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,280 Speaker 1: heading out into the cold carrying a plastic bag, dressed 655 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:07,080 Speaker 1: in a white jacket and skirt. Freshman Arianna Maston has 656 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,920 Speaker 1: spent the last two days worrying about her friend's whereabouts. 657 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,400 Speaker 1: I had theater today actually, and it was just so different, 658 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,640 Speaker 1: like without her being there, because it's like she should 659 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,919 Speaker 1: be here, she should be sitting with us. She says. 660 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,200 Speaker 1: It's not in Maddie's character to just leave overnight. Like that, 661 00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,759 Speaker 1: especially during finals week. She would not just take off 662 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:31,000 Speaker 1: like that, Like that's not Maddie at all. Snow College's 663 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,680 Speaker 1: Public Safety and Police department is taking the lead on 664 00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:37,560 Speaker 1: the investigation. It's also working with several county sheriff departments, 665 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:42,319 Speaker 1: state troopers, and even the FBI. And according to court documents, 666 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 1: we know why Maddie went missing. She had met someone 667 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:52,480 Speaker 1: in an online chat room, and much like the case 668 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:56,680 Speaker 1: we're describing for you today, she went willingly and then 669 00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,960 Speaker 1: never came back. So at this juncture, let me go 670 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,520 Speaker 1: straight back out to Rowena Shattucks joining us from Fox 671 00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:07,520 Speaker 1: forty KATLX. Where does the investigation stand now? We've given 672 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,319 Speaker 1: so many ideas to local police, I don't know if 673 00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,239 Speaker 1: they're following up or not. Where does it stand? Yeah, 674 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,080 Speaker 1: that is the frustration that I faced two as well. 675 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:20,439 Speaker 1: I've only communicated with Sacramento police through text messages, and 676 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,320 Speaker 1: when I've asked them since doing the story a week ago, 677 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,800 Speaker 1: they said there's nothing new to report. There may be 678 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,359 Speaker 1: a lot to report, but I'm not privy to that. 679 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,960 Speaker 1: I did receive, though, a text message from Caroline, the sister, 680 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 1: just since we've all been chatting this morning and she 681 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:39,040 Speaker 1: says that there is some new information regarding her sister's 682 00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,160 Speaker 1: case that they're trying to confirm. She wouldn't share what 683 00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,600 Speaker 1: that is, but you know, I'm hoping, of course that 684 00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,560 Speaker 1: it's some good news, but it's you know, it's it's 685 00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,080 Speaker 1: very scary, and there's not a lot of hope that 686 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,200 Speaker 1: they're holding out that it's going to have a good 687 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,720 Speaker 1: ending to the speaking of the family and how they're 688 00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,560 Speaker 1: taking the disappearance of their sister, they're daughter Leslie. Listen 689 00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,920 Speaker 1: to our cut to our friends at Fox forty. We 690 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,280 Speaker 1: do know that Leslie was seen in this general area 691 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,560 Speaker 1: back on the fifteenth. That's also when that was the 692 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,440 Speaker 1: last time that they logged any activity on her phone. 693 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:18,080 Speaker 1: When they call it, it goes directly to voicemail. Every day, 694 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:22,120 Speaker 1: it feels like as another moment and something could be 695 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,040 Speaker 1: happening to her, and you know, our family were just 696 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,600 Speaker 1: breaking down. We can't, we can't eat, we can't, you know, 697 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,880 Speaker 1: try to sleep every second. I feel like, you know, 698 00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,160 Speaker 1: she could be who knows, or she could be. So 699 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,080 Speaker 1: the tip line if you have any information or think 700 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:44,200 Speaker 1: you have information about this missing woman, Leslie ben Iesa. 701 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:48,320 Speaker 1: The tip line nine one six eight zero eight five 702 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:53,680 Speaker 1: four seven one repeat nine one six eight zero eight 703 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:58,560 Speaker 1: five four seven one We wait as justice un bowls 704 00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,600 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace promised, or running off. Good Bye Frien