Speaker 1: Previously on Queen of the Con.
Speaker 2: She was very pleasant in the beginning and I really
Speaker 2: really did love her like a sister. And as things progressed,
Speaker 2: she took my kindness as weakness and weaponized it against me.
Speaker 2: Things became very very chaotic.
Speaker 3: Shriek hasn't been home since Saturday.
Speaker 4: Toxic, You've decided to bring it to me.
Speaker 2: Abusive.
Speaker 1: That's what happened when we're in theta and.
Speaker 2: It ended pretty abruptly.
Speaker 1: But not before video gets leaked on the Internet showing
Speaker 1: jen Shaw being abusive to Cola Johnson and the rest
Speaker 1: of her staff. No, and while all this is going on,
Speaker 1: jen is publicly being very vague about what exactly she
Speaker 1: does for a living and where all her money comes from.
Speaker 5: Do you know how much traffic is on the internet
Speaker 5: every second, all the people clicking. I'm making money on
Speaker 5: every click, every time you click on anything, I'm getting
Speaker 5: some money.
Speaker 1: But the truth is actually far more sinister than anyone
Speaker 1: could have ever imagined. It was awful what she did
Speaker 1: to those people, It really was. She turned up their
Speaker 1: lives for what a fake Fendi bag. Congrats girl, I'm
Speaker 1: Jonathan Walton and this is Queen of the Con. The
Speaker 1: Unreal Housewife Episode three, sunk cost.
Speaker 6: Fallacy scandal sells reality TV like literally nothing else.
Speaker 1: That's the internet's go to legal list and former prosecutor
Speaker 1: Emily D. Baker she's been following the Genshaw case closer
Speaker 1: than most on the Emily Show podcast.
Speaker 6: And so when this all broke, it was like, Oh
Speaker 6: my god, how how is this happening? Well, cameras are rolling.
Speaker 6: It made very compelling television, and now everyone was kind
Speaker 6: of gripped, and people went back and started watching Salt
Speaker 6: Lake City because of this Genshaw prosecution. People wanted to
Speaker 6: play detective and go see if there were any clues
Speaker 6: in what they could put together. They all wanted to
Speaker 6: share in that oh my god moment.
Speaker 1: But the cons Genshaw pulls are pretty complicated and so
Speaker 1: far removed from her that it's hard to track the
Speaker 1: actual crime. Some even say there is no crime and
Speaker 1: that she did nothing wrong. Of course, one of the
Speaker 1: people saying that in March of last year, anyway, is
Speaker 1: Genshaw herself. Here she is on the Real Housewives of
Speaker 1: Salt Lake City reunion show, addressing the federal case against her.
Speaker 1: She looks like a movie star ensconced in purple feathers
Speaker 1: shooting up from the top of her gown, anchored by
Speaker 1: dozens of chandelier crystals dangling below as she speaks. I'm
Speaker 1: posting a video clip at Queen of the Khan on
Speaker 1: Instagram so you can see how emphatic Jen is that
Speaker 1: she did nothing wrong.
Speaker 4: I'm fighting this she's I am innocent, and I will
Speaker 4: fight for every person out there. They can't fight for
Speaker 4: themselves because they don't have the resources or the means,
Speaker 4: so they they don't fight. I will fight because number one,
Speaker 4: I'm instant, and number two, I'm going to represent every
Speaker 4: other person out there that can't fight and hasn't been
Speaker 4: able to.
Speaker 1: She really does sound like a falsely accused person trying
Speaker 1: to get out from under a tremendous injustice that the
Speaker 1: federal government has wrought against her. But make no mistake,
Speaker 1: she actually did do everything she's accused of doing. At
Speaker 1: this point, we know who the who is. It's Genshaw.
Speaker 1: We just can't figure out the when, the where, and
Speaker 1: the why. So I ask former prosecutor Emily D. Baker,
Speaker 1: if you had to explain to a five year old
Speaker 1: what Genshaw is guilty of what is her crime, what
Speaker 1: is her scam? What is the con What would you say?
Speaker 6: Jenshaw stole money by lying. The types of lies and
Speaker 6: the way that the lies worked are a little more complex,
Speaker 6: but she lied and stole people's money based on those lies.
Speaker 6: If I was explaining it to like a nine year old,
Speaker 6: I'd be like, look, it's as if she was going
Speaker 6: to sell you a skin for Roadblocks.
Speaker 1: A popular video game, and you.
Speaker 6: Paid money for the skin, but then the Roblock skin
Speaker 6: never worked, and she's like, oh no, you just need
Speaker 6: this other program to make it work, and then sold
Speaker 6: you that program to make it work, and then that
Speaker 6: didn't work, and you were like, but this isn't working.
Speaker 6: It's like, oh no, but you need this other thing,
Speaker 6: so pay me for this other thing and then it
Speaker 6: will work. And then you end up down this chain
Speaker 6: of all these things you tried to do to make
Speaker 6: the one thing you wanted work that was never ever
Speaker 6: intended to work. It was intended to milk you out
Speaker 6: of all of your money.
Speaker 7: Once they get your phone number, you are their best friend.
Speaker 7: They keep calling you NonStop until you know you Eventually
Speaker 7: you cave in.
Speaker 1: That's Joseph L. Flatley a journalist who's written extensively about
Speaker 1: the kinds of telemarketing scams Jenshaw was masterminding, and about
Speaker 1: one of the companies in particular where Jenshaw got her start,
Speaker 1: a Utah company called Prosper.
Speaker 8: What is Prosper.
Speaker 7: It's essentially a high pressure sales floor. They say that
Speaker 7: they sell distance learning, So it's kind of like modern
Speaker 7: day versions of correspondence courses where if you want to
Speaker 7: work on anything from professional development to more like new
Speaker 7: age secret y course in miracles type stuff, you enlist
Speaker 7: in one of their programs and you get information in
Speaker 7: the mail, or you get coaching over the phone. But
Speaker 7: what we've found about Prospers products is that they're basically worthless.
Speaker 7: It's basically like any other scam where you're buying something
Speaker 7: that promises the world and then you get it and
Speaker 7: it's practically useless, if not totally useless.
Speaker 8: It's like a bait and switch. Right, there is no
Speaker 8: real product. Right.
Speaker 1: In the Utah Valley Magazine article day of July one,
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, there's a write up about Genshaw
Speaker 1: and her work at Prosper, and the article includes a
Speaker 1: picture that barely looks like the Genshaw we all know.
Speaker 1: I'm posting it at Queen of the Con on Instagram
Speaker 1: so you can see the gen in that photo is
Speaker 1: uncharacteristically plain, dressed in what looks like an Ann Taylor worksuit,
Speaker 1: like she could be the head of HR for some
Speaker 1: big company or something. And she's quoted in that article.
Speaker 3: Saying since starting with prosper I have been a maze
Speaker 3: at the quality of people we have here. Everyone is
Speaker 3: focused on delivering the best possible product to our students,
Speaker 3: and the camaraderie is invigorating. There's something special about working
Speaker 3: with people who are passionate.
Speaker 1: In the early two thousands, prosper Inc. Was a Utah
Speaker 1: based telemarketing company that sold career coaching and worked from
Speaker 1: home instruction over the phone. They were also affiliated with
Speaker 1: the now defunct Trump University, selling scammy real estate classes.
Speaker 8: We teach success.
Speaker 9: That's what it's all about. Success, It's going to happen
Speaker 9: to you.
Speaker 1: A lot of people who bought what prosper Ink sold
Speaker 1: have since filed complaints with the Federal Trade Commission and
Speaker 1: even filed lawsuits alleging fraud. Other prosper Ink customers have
Speaker 1: posted numerous complaints online.
Speaker 10: We paid almost fourteen thousand dollars with the belief that
Speaker 10: we'd have a money website. We're much deeper in debt
Speaker 10: now than when we started, and our websites didn't earn
Speaker 10: any money. We're left feeling completely ripped off.
Speaker 1: Prosper Learning is a scam.
Speaker 6: The high pressure call with the success stories and the
Speaker 6: claim that we could reasonably expect to do that too
Speaker 6: is not true.
Speaker 2: My elderly mother was swindled by this company as well,
Speaker 2: with non filed complaints with the FTC.
Speaker 7: One of the most pernicious things about these products is
Speaker 7: that they tend to cost pretty much whatever you have
Speaker 7: on your credit line.
Speaker 1: Joseph L. Flatley wrote a huge expose about prosper Inc.
Speaker 1: For The Verge, an online technology news publication.
Speaker 7: It kind of exists in this legal area where if
Speaker 7: you don't look at it too closely, you think it
Speaker 7: is the legit side of the marketing industry, when in
Speaker 7: fact Internet marketing can be described as really just using
Speaker 7: the Internet as a tool for criminal con you know,
Speaker 7: selling people get rich quick schemes, selling people, getting people
Speaker 7: on mailing lists. So they're constantly being inundated by criminals
Speaker 7: around the world. And you know, I in my reporting,
Speaker 7: I've got to spend time with these people, got to
Speaker 7: go to their conference that they hold every year, and
Speaker 7: it's just a fascinating group of characters. I've spoke to
Speaker 7: one guy that worked in Prosper in the boiler room.
Speaker 1: A boiler room is like a crowded office with rows
Speaker 1: and rows of workers crammed into desks, sometimes inches away
Speaker 1: from each other, all on the phone, desperately trying to
Speaker 1: make a sale.
Speaker 7: Just like Prosper is scamming people for their money, they're
Speaker 7: also scamming their employees in a way. You join, you
Speaker 7: don't know that it's a boiler room or what a
Speaker 7: boiler room is. Oftentimes it's like, you know, I want
Speaker 7: a white collar job. Nobody in my family's ever had
Speaker 7: a white collar job. I can't go to Wall Street
Speaker 7: and get a job there, but I can start in
Speaker 7: one of these you know, sales floors in Utah and
Speaker 7: finally climb my way up into the you know, the
Speaker 7: middle class. So you join, and training is very much
Speaker 7: it's almost cultish in the sense, almost brainwashy in the
Speaker 7: sense that you know you're in a new world, you're
Speaker 7: in a new environment. You don't know the business. It's
Speaker 7: very easy to not understand until you're in very deep
Speaker 7: that what you're doing is taking advantage of people. Then,
Speaker 7: of course the people who are glad to take advantage
Speaker 7: of people last and they do really well.
Speaker 1: And in two thousand and eight, Jenshaw is one of
Speaker 1: those people who last and do really well, so well
Speaker 1: in fact, she eventually becomes Prosperous Director of Development.
Speaker 7: I don't know how Jenshaw joined, and I don't know
Speaker 7: what she thought when she started working for the company,
Speaker 7: But I don't know how she lasted as long as
Speaker 7: she did without realizing just what an insane scam it
Speaker 7: all is.
Speaker 1: Jenshaw eventually leaves prosper Inc. And works for several other
Speaker 1: telemarketing companies, including one called Thrive and another one called Guidance,
Speaker 1: running the same kinds of scams prosper inkran. Then it's
Speaker 1: not long before Jenshaw and the company she works for
Speaker 1: incur the wrath of the Federal Trade Commission. Back in
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, she was a part of this FTC case
Speaker 1: with Thrive and Guidance. Is it the same kind of
Speaker 1: thing where she's operating telemarketing floors scamming people over the phone.
Speaker 6: It was the same kind of business services.
Speaker 1: Yes again, former Prosecutor Emily D.
Speaker 6: Baker and those companies got shut down for their marketing practices.
Speaker 6: If jen had stopped there, this case probably wouldn't come up.
Speaker 1: The current criminal case against her.
Speaker 6: It's much easier for a federal prosecutor. And this is
Speaker 6: what I said from the moment we started seeing this
Speaker 6: information about the FTC case, is it's really easy to
Speaker 6: show intent that Jen knew this went beyond just marketing practices.
Speaker 6: When you have her confronted by another government agency in
Speaker 6: a deposition, questioning her about the business, and instead of stopping,
Speaker 6: she finds ways to be sneakier about it. So it
Speaker 6: makes it really easy to show intent with Jenshaw's actions.
Speaker 1: After the FTC shuts down Thrive and Guidance, the company's
Speaker 1: Jenshaw held high positions at companies that were essentially scamming people.
Speaker 1: She conspires with her former bosses and starts her own
Speaker 1: telemarketing companies, one called Red Steel and another one called
Speaker 1: Learning Systems, using the same coercive techniques. She's kind of
Speaker 1: affected at this point to ultimately trick thousands of people
Speaker 1: out of millions of dollars.
Speaker 11: I was ashamed, and I thought, you know, kind of
Speaker 11: smarter than that. I shouldn't have it shouldn't have happened
Speaker 11: to me.
Speaker 1: That's sixty four year old Penny Pucket. She used to
Speaker 1: be a farmer in Kansas, and she was planning to
Speaker 1: retire soon with her husband. But jen Shaw's telemarketing scheme
Speaker 1: changed all that.
Speaker 11: We probably will never be able to be retired. We'll
Speaker 11: have to work until it can't work anymore. Wow, we
Speaker 11: had to stop farming. We actually hold our part of
Speaker 11: the farm. We happened to have enough equity in our
Speaker 11: house that we was able to refinance so that we
Speaker 11: could get out from underneath the credit card debt.
Speaker 8: Wow, I'm so sorry you lost all this money.
Speaker 11: I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: It all starts back in twenty fourteen. You see, Penny
Speaker 1: has a knack for sewing baby carseat back in her
Speaker 1: spare time.
Speaker 8: You would sew these car seat blankets by hand.
Speaker 11: Yes, on a sewing machine.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and Penny wants to start a business, a
Speaker 1: side hustle to the farming, really to make some extra money.
Speaker 1: So she googles around and eventually lands on one of
Speaker 1: the many websites that Genshaw and her network of sophisticated
Speaker 1: scammers create to lure the blankets sewing Penny Puckets of
Speaker 1: the world. In a few clicks and a few hundred
Speaker 1: dollars later, Penny is enrolled in an online course that's
Speaker 1: guaranteed to get her baby car seat blanket into the
Speaker 1: hands of paying customers all over the country.
Speaker 11: Yes, it was a course that was designed to teach
Speaker 11: you how to market steff on social media.
Speaker 1: But Penny has no idea that the Jenshaw underling who
Speaker 1: takes her contact information for what turned out to be
Speaker 1: a fake course because it doesn't actually help Penny sell
Speaker 1: any car seat blankets using social media at all, is
Speaker 1: sharing Pennies contact information with a bunch of other scammers
Speaker 1: working in unison to now scam Penny some more.
Speaker 11: I started getting a lot of different phone calls, and
Speaker 11: these people are pretty smooth. They knew that you was
Speaker 11: going to have to put money in in order to
Speaker 11: get money, you know, kind of like a return on investment.
Speaker 11: So when they started telling me, well, maybe you need
Speaker 11: to do a website. You know, if you do a website,
Speaker 11: you can make a thousand dollars a week. Well, if
Speaker 11: it costs eight thousand dollars to do a website in
Speaker 11: a couple months, if if one thousand dollars a week
Speaker 11: is what you brought in, it wouldn't take much to
Speaker 11: get a return on your investment. I mean, there was
Speaker 11: contacts and everything that they had you signed.
Speaker 8: And that's very clever of them, because at no point,
Speaker 8: and they're making you sign contracts and they're telling you
Speaker 8: hard numbers dollar amounts you'll be able to make, it
Speaker 8: seems like it's on the up and up right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Plus Penny is guaranteed she'll make at least
Speaker 1: one thousand dollars a week or her money back.
Speaker 7: The operators they pump you for information.
Speaker 1: Journalist Joseph L.
Speaker 7: Flatley, and they find out you have five thousand dollars
Speaker 7: available on your visa card and the first tier is
Speaker 7: five thousand dollars. But if you really want to improve
Speaker 7: your life and you really want to benefit, you got
Speaker 7: to spend fifteen thousand dollars. So now you're going out
Speaker 7: of your way to get more credit or to get
Speaker 7: loans or whatever to morget your house. And there's never
Speaker 7: an end to the products, or I should say the
Speaker 7: products don't end until you're bankrupt.
Speaker 1: And keep in mind, victims of this particular scam aren't
Speaker 1: worried about losing their money at all, because it's guaranteed.
Speaker 1: Here's a clip from an actual recording of one of
Speaker 1: these telemarketing scams in progress. The elderly victim here is
Speaker 1: concerned about the initial outlay of funds.
Speaker 9: So she asks what happens if I don't make good
Speaker 9: money at this at.
Speaker 1: The end of thirty at This recording, by the way,
Speaker 1: is from an investigative piece titled Scam World that Joseph L.
Speaker 1: Flatley wrote for The Verge.
Speaker 12: At the end of thirty days, if you have not
Speaker 12: returned on your investment, we will give you a refund back.
Speaker 12: I was gonna say it's not a cash refund because
Speaker 12: it's on a credit card. It will be a refund,
Speaker 12: but you are guaranteed to make your money back. We
Speaker 12: have clients that actually within one week usually have a sale.
Speaker 1: This is exactly why victims like Penny Puckett felt comfortable proceeding.
Speaker 1: It's a money back guarantee. What did she have to lose?
Speaker 1: So Penny lets the gen Shaw scammers charge eight thousand
Speaker 1: dollars to a credit card. Actually, they have Penny do
Speaker 1: a wire transfer from her credit card to them for
Speaker 1: eight thousand dollars you'll see why later. And they create
Speaker 1: what looks like a website for Penny and assure her
Speaker 1: that her baby car seat blankets will be selling like
Speaker 1: hotcakes very soon.
Speaker 11: But after the second month, zero sales, then I started
Speaker 11: questioning things, and of course they had to do an
Speaker 11: LLC and then take another course on how to get
Speaker 11: them to draw themselves to that website. Like for Google,
Speaker 11: they had a service that would keep you at the
Speaker 11: top of Google Search and all of that, which made sense,
Speaker 11: but again there was more money out of your pocket.
Speaker 8: And were you ever the top of a Google search?
Speaker 8: Did any of those things happen?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 1: In all, Penny gives them thirty thousand dollars three thousand here,
Speaker 1: four thousand there, believing she'll start selling her baby car
Speaker 1: seep blankets and have a thriving online business very soon.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what they keep telling her.
Speaker 6: It seems that they were praying on the vulnerable that
Speaker 6: didn't understand the Internet well, saying no, this is how
Speaker 6: the Internet works. You just need a website and then
Speaker 6: it generates leads and those leads generate money and it
Speaker 6: all just works. And then once people spend so much
Speaker 6: money in this is where that shame part comes in.
Speaker 6: You don't want to tell someone else that you've lost
Speaker 6: this amount of money, So then you've got that sunk
Speaker 6: cost fallacy where people keep chasing it down because it's like,
Speaker 6: if I can just fix it, right, no different than gambling.
Speaker 6: If I can just fix it, if I can just
Speaker 6: get even, I can walk away. Like once I get
Speaker 6: back my investment, I can stop.
Speaker 1: You have so much invested, you just need a little
Speaker 1: more to make it.
Speaker 6: If I can just get back to the initial investment,
Speaker 6: I can get out.
Speaker 11: When I started questioning them, they just, I mean, well,
Speaker 11: you didn't do your homework, and I'm not one of
Speaker 11: the sleft things, one of those you give me a
Speaker 11: project and I get it done.
Speaker 8: But that was the first sign that something was off,
Speaker 8: that you weren't making any money, and you complained to them,
Speaker 8: and they turned it back on you. They blamed you.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I was upset because they had told me what
Speaker 11: happen had happened, even though I had done everything that
Speaker 11: they had asked. And then that's when I started questioning
Speaker 11: the legitimacy of what was going on.
Speaker 8: What actions did you take at this point? So you
Speaker 8: feel like you're not getting what they promised. It's kind
Speaker 8: of smelling like a scam.
Speaker 12: What do you do?
Speaker 11: I started disputing my credit cards because it was right
Speaker 11: at the one hundred and eighty day mark that you
Speaker 11: had to dispute it. But I found out that the
Speaker 11: first company they had me do a wired transfer on
Speaker 11: my card.
Speaker 8: That's another layer of cleverness on their part because they're
Speaker 8: not charging your credit cards directly, they're having you essentially
Speaker 8: charge cash to your credit card and transfer it to them.
Speaker 1: Right these scammers, working at the direction of the Queen
Speaker 1: of the con herself Jenshaw, know exactly what they're doing,
Speaker 1: as does Jen. Remember she's the one at the top
Speaker 1: scripting what these lower level scammers on the phone are
Speaker 1: telling victims like Pennypucket to keep milking them out of money.
Speaker 6: I think what Genshaw was leaning into is this is
Speaker 6: just marketing. Okay, so we're lying in our marketing practices,
Speaker 6: but that's not wirefraud. You don't go to prison for that.
Speaker 6: You pay a fine and your business get shut down.
Speaker 6: I think Jen thought that was what was going to
Speaker 6: keep happening. After the FTC shut down her businesses, she
Speaker 6: got fined, and she's like, oh, we'll starting a business as.
Speaker 7: One of the most important parts of the industry, if
Speaker 7: not the most important part, is making lists of people
Speaker 7: and whittling down those lists.
Speaker 1: Journalist Joseph L. Flatley talking about what's referred to as
Speaker 1: lead lists.
Speaker 7: If you have a product and somebody signs up for
Speaker 7: it just for information, that's great because you know they're interested.
Speaker 7: If they buy a product, that's great too, because you
Speaker 7: know they're buying stuff. You've already built them a little
Speaker 7: bit so that that lead is worth a little less money,
Speaker 7: and then they kind of winnow it down.
Speaker 8: Another hook that I see is regarding jen Shaw and
Speaker 8: the companies she worked with and the lead lists that
Speaker 8: she sold to other companies, working in unison to scam
Speaker 8: all these people. The way in for a lot of
Speaker 8: the victims was almost self inflicted. They click the link
Speaker 8: work from home, make twenty thousand dollars work from home.
Speaker 8: So I imagine, you know human psychology. They think to themselves, well,
Speaker 8: it's not a scam because I asked for information, I
Speaker 8: engaged them. I started this journey of working from home,
Speaker 8: so kind of like their defenses might be down because
Speaker 8: it's something they invited into their lives, they initiated.
Speaker 7: Well, I think the Internet was a huge boon to this,
Speaker 7: precisely because people didn't really understand how the Internet worked.
Speaker 11: And I knew just enough to be dangerous.
Speaker 1: Yep. But in the end, jen Shaw's telemarketing scammers have
Speaker 1: red Penny Pucket wrong. She's not taking what they did
Speaker 1: to her lying down. Yes she's upset, and yes she's
Speaker 1: now broke in the hole for thirty thousand dollars. She
Speaker 1: gets depressed with draws from life, but only licks her
Speaker 1: wounds for a couple days.
Speaker 11: Then I got to thinking, well, now what can I do?
Speaker 11: So I filed to the Attorney general in the state
Speaker 11: of Kansas, and then I was told that I had
Speaker 11: to file the company with the state that these companies
Speaker 11: worked out of, so in this particular case, this one
Speaker 11: was Utah. So I spent hours and hours and hours
Speaker 11: filming out forms for all of the attorney General's offices
Speaker 11: all over. I went to the FTC, I went in
Speaker 11: you know, the better business hero ripoff dot com. I
Speaker 11: did all kinds of stuff, putting out notices that these
Speaker 11: people were scammers. They were selling a bill of goods
Speaker 11: that wouldn't do what they said that it would do.
Speaker 11: They just took my money and they did some cookie
Speaker 11: cutter sites to make it appear that they were doing something,
Speaker 11: but none of them worked.
Speaker 1: This all goes down in twenty fourteen. Pucket has no
Speaker 1: idea that Jenshaw and her network of telemarketing scammers are
Speaker 1: doing what they did to her to thousands of other
Speaker 1: people across the country. And while most of these victims
Speaker 1: are older like Penny, who's sixty four, some victims are
Speaker 1: in their thirties.
Speaker 11: My name is Molly McLaughlin.
Speaker 3: I live in Iowa and I was, unfortunately a victim
Speaker 3: of a scam from Jenshaw.
Speaker 11: Did not know who it was at the time.
Speaker 1: The sophistication Jenshaw's minions employ to trick Molly is just
Speaker 1: next level.
Speaker 3: I personally thought I had done my research because obviously
Speaker 3: I knew that there were scams out there.
Speaker 1: Next time, on Queen of the Khan.
Speaker 6: People trade on information with the Feds. Someone gets picked
Speaker 6: up for something and goes to the FEDS. Look, yes,
Speaker 6: I get it, but can I tell you about this.
Speaker 1: How jen Shaw gets on the radar of homeland security
Speaker 1: is a story for the ages.
Speaker 9: We don't target anybody who are targeting the find We're
Speaker 9: following the facts. We know there's a corporation that's doing this,
Speaker 9: we know that there's organizations and people that are involved.
Speaker 9: Because not we're starting out. Let me look at Jenshaw.
Speaker 9: That's not what this investigation unraveled.
Speaker 1: Portions of public statements from court records and from online
Speaker 1: complaints were dramatized verbatim in this episode. Queen of the Khan.
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