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Speaker 2: She was very pleasant in the beginning and I really

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Speaker 2: really did love her like a sister. And as things progressed,

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Speaker 2: she took my kindness as weakness and weaponized it against me.

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Speaker 2: Things became very very chaotic.

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Speaker 3: Shriek hasn't been home since Saturday.

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Speaker 4: Toxic, You've decided to bring it to me.

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Speaker 2: Abusive.

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Speaker 1: That's what happened when we're in theta and.

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Speaker 2: It ended pretty abruptly.

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Speaker 1: But not before video gets leaked on the Internet showing

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Speaker 1: jen Shaw being abusive to Cola Johnson and the rest

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Speaker 1: of her staff. No, and while all this is going on,

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Speaker 1: jen is publicly being very vague about what exactly she

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Speaker 1: does for a living and where all her money comes from.

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Speaker 5: Do you know how much traffic is on the internet

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Speaker 5: every second, all the people clicking. I'm making money on

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Speaker 5: every click, every time you click on anything, I'm getting

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Speaker 5: some money.

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Speaker 1: But the truth is actually far more sinister than anyone

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Speaker 1: could have ever imagined. It was awful what she did

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Speaker 1: to those people, It really was. She turned up their

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Speaker 1: lives for what a fake Fendi bag. Congrats girl, I'm

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Walton and this is Queen of the Con. The

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Speaker 1: Unreal Housewife Episode three, sunk cost.

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Speaker 6: Fallacy scandal sells reality TV like literally nothing else.

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Speaker 1: That's the internet's go to legal list and former prosecutor

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Speaker 1: Emily D. Baker she's been following the Genshaw case closer

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Speaker 1: than most on the Emily Show podcast.

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Speaker 6: And so when this all broke, it was like, Oh

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Speaker 6: my god, how how is this happening? Well, cameras are rolling.

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Speaker 6: It made very compelling television, and now everyone was kind

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Speaker 6: of gripped, and people went back and started watching Salt

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Speaker 6: Lake City because of this Genshaw prosecution. People wanted to

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Speaker 6: play detective and go see if there were any clues

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Speaker 6: in what they could put together. They all wanted to

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Speaker 6: share in that oh my god moment.

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Speaker 1: But the cons Genshaw pulls are pretty complicated and so

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Speaker 1: far removed from her that it's hard to track the

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Speaker 1: actual crime. Some even say there is no crime and

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Speaker 1: that she did nothing wrong. Of course, one of the

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Speaker 1: people saying that in March of last year, anyway, is

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Speaker 1: Genshaw herself. Here she is on the Real Housewives of

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Speaker 1: Salt Lake City reunion show, addressing the federal case against her.

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Speaker 1: She looks like a movie star ensconced in purple feathers

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Speaker 1: shooting up from the top of her gown, anchored by

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Speaker 1: dozens of chandelier crystals dangling below as she speaks. I'm

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Speaker 1: posting a video clip at Queen of the Khan on

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Speaker 1: Instagram so you can see how emphatic Jen is that

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Speaker 1: she did nothing wrong.

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Speaker 4: I'm fighting this she's I am innocent, and I will

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Speaker 4: fight for every person out there. They can't fight for

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Speaker 4: themselves because they don't have the resources or the means,

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Speaker 4: so they they don't fight. I will fight because number one,

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Speaker 4: I'm instant, and number two, I'm going to represent every

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Speaker 4: other person out there that can't fight and hasn't been

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Speaker 1: She really does sound like a falsely accused person trying

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Speaker 1: to get out from under a tremendous injustice that the

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Speaker 1: federal government has wrought against her. But make no mistake,

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Speaker 1: she actually did do everything she's accused of doing. At

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Speaker 1: this point, we know who the who is. It's Genshaw.

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Speaker 1: We just can't figure out the when, the where, and

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Speaker 1: the why. So I ask former prosecutor Emily D. Baker,

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Speaker 1: if you had to explain to a five year old

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Speaker 1: what Genshaw is guilty of what is her crime, what

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Speaker 1: is her scam? What is the con What would you say?

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Speaker 6: Jenshaw stole money by lying. The types of lies and

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Speaker 6: the way that the lies worked are a little more complex,

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Speaker 6: but she lied and stole people's money based on those lies.

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Speaker 6: If I was explaining it to like a nine year old,

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Speaker 6: I'd be like, look, it's as if she was going

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Speaker 6: to sell you a skin for Roadblocks.

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Speaker 1: A popular video game, and you.

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Speaker 6: Paid money for the skin, but then the Roblock skin

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Speaker 6: never worked, and she's like, oh no, you just need

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Speaker 6: this other program to make it work, and then sold

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Speaker 6: It's like, oh no, but you need this other thing,

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Speaker 6: of all these things you tried to do to make

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Speaker 7: Once they get your phone number, you are their best friend.

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Speaker 7: They keep calling you NonStop until you know you Eventually

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Speaker 1: That's Joseph L. Flatley a journalist who's written extensively about

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Speaker 1: the kinds of telemarketing scams Jenshaw was masterminding, and about

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Speaker 1: one of the companies in particular where Jenshaw got her start,

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Speaker 1: a Utah company called Prosper.

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Speaker 8: What is Prosper.

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Speaker 7: It's essentially a high pressure sales floor. They say that

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Speaker 7: they sell distance learning, So it's kind of like modern

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Speaker 7: day versions of correspondence courses where if you want to

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Speaker 7: age secret y course in miracles type stuff, you enlist

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Speaker 7: what we've found about Prospers products is that they're basically worthless.

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Speaker 7: It's basically like any other scam where you're buying something

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Speaker 8: It's like a bait and switch. Right, there is no

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Speaker 1: In the Utah Valley Magazine article day of July one,

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Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, there's a write up about Genshaw

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Speaker 1: and her work at Prosper, and the article includes a

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Speaker 1: I'm posting it at Queen of the Con on Instagram

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Speaker 3: Saying since starting with prosper I have been a maze

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Speaker 3: at the quality of people we have here. Everyone is

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Speaker 3: focused on delivering the best possible product to our students,

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Speaker 3: and the camaraderie is invigorating. There's something special about working

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Speaker 1: In the early two thousands, prosper Inc. Was a Utah

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Speaker 1: based telemarketing company that sold career coaching and worked from

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Speaker 1: the now defunct Trump University, selling scammy real estate classes.

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Speaker 8: We teach success.

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Speaker 9: That's what it's all about. Success, It's going to happen

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Speaker 1: A lot of people who bought what prosper Ink sold

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Speaker 10: We paid almost fourteen thousand dollars with the belief that

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Speaker 10: now than when we started, and our websites didn't earn

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Speaker 1: Prosper Learning is a scam.

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Speaker 6: The high pressure call with the success stories and the

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Speaker 2: My elderly mother was swindled by this company as well,

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Speaker 7: One of the most pernicious things about these products is

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Speaker 1: Joseph L. Flatley wrote a huge expose about prosper Inc.

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Speaker 1: For The Verge, an online technology news publication.

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Speaker 7: It kind of exists in this legal area where if

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Speaker 7: you don't look at it too closely, you think it

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Speaker 7: fact Internet marketing can be described as really just using

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Speaker 7: selling people get rich quick schemes, selling people, getting people

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Speaker 7: around the world. And you know, I in my reporting,

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Speaker 7: I've got to spend time with these people, got to

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Speaker 7: it's just a fascinating group of characters. I've spoke to

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Speaker 7: one guy that worked in Prosper in the boiler room.

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Speaker 1: A boiler room is like a crowded office with rows

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Speaker 7: Just like Prosper is scamming people for their money, they're

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Speaker 7: also scamming their employees in a way. You join, you

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Speaker 7: a white collar job. Nobody in my family's ever had

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Speaker 7: very easy to not understand until you're in very deep

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Speaker 1: And in two thousand and eight, Jenshaw is one of

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Speaker 1: in fact, she eventually becomes Prosperous Director of Development.

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Speaker 7: I don't know how Jenshaw joined, and I don't know

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Speaker 7: But I don't know how she lasted as long as

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Speaker 1: Jenshaw eventually leaves prosper Inc. And works for several other

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Speaker 1: telemarketing companies, including one called Thrive and another one called Guidance,

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Speaker 1: not long before Jenshaw and the company she works for

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Speaker 1: incur the wrath of the Federal Trade Commission. Back in

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Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, she was a part of this FTC case

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Speaker 1: with Thrive and Guidance. Is it the same kind of

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Speaker 1: thing where she's operating telemarketing floors scamming people over the phone.

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Speaker 6: It was the same kind of business services.

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Speaker 1: Yes again, former Prosecutor Emily D.

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Speaker 6: Baker and those companies got shut down for their marketing practices.

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Speaker 6: If jen had stopped there, this case probably wouldn't come up.

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Speaker 1: The current criminal case against her.

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Speaker 6: It's much easier for a federal prosecutor. And this is

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Speaker 6: what I said from the moment we started seeing this

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Speaker 6: information about the FTC case, is it's really easy to

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Speaker 6: show intent that Jen knew this went beyond just marketing practices.

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Speaker 6: When you have her confronted by another government agency in

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Speaker 6: makes it really easy to show intent with Jenshaw's actions.

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Speaker 1: After the FTC shuts down Thrive and Guidance, the company's

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Speaker 1: Jenshaw held high positions at companies that were essentially scamming people.

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Speaker 1: She conspires with her former bosses and starts her own

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Speaker 1: telemarketing companies, one called Red Steel and another one called

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Speaker 1: Learning Systems, using the same coercive techniques. She's kind of

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Speaker 1: That's sixty four year old Penny Pucket. She used to

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Speaker 11: We probably will never be able to be retired. We'll

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Speaker 8: Wow, I'm so sorry you lost all this money.

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Speaker 11: I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 1: It all starts back in twenty fourteen. You see, Penny

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Speaker 8: You would sew these car seat blankets by hand.

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Speaker 11: Yes, on a sewing machine.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, and Penny wants to start a business, a

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Speaker 1: So she googles around and eventually lands on one of

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Speaker 11: Yes, it was a course that was designed to teach

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Speaker 1: But Penny has no idea that the Jenshaw underling who

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Speaker 1: sharing Pennies contact information with a bunch of other scammers

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Speaker 11: I started getting a lot of different phone calls, and

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Speaker 11: So when they started telling me, well, maybe you need

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Speaker 8: And that's very clever of them, because at no point,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Plus Penny is guaranteed she'll make at least

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Speaker 7: The operators they pump you for information.

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Speaker 1: Journalist Joseph L.

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Speaker 7: Flatley, and they find out you have five thousand dollars

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Speaker 7: five thousand dollars. But if you really want to improve

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Speaker 7: to spend fifteen thousand dollars. So now you're going out

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Speaker 1: And keep in mind, victims of this particular scam aren't

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Speaker 1: worried about losing their money at all, because it's guaranteed.

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Speaker 1: Here's a clip from an actual recording of one of

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Speaker 1: these telemarketing scams in progress. The elderly victim here is

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Speaker 9: So she asks what happens if I don't make good

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Speaker 1: The end of thirty at This recording, by the way,

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Speaker 1: is from an investigative piece titled Scam World that Joseph L.

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Speaker 1: Flatley wrote for The Verge.

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Speaker 12: At the end of thirty days, if you have not

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Speaker 12: I was gonna say it's not a cash refund because

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Speaker 12: it's on a credit card. It will be a refund,

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Speaker 12: but you are guaranteed to make your money back. We

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Speaker 1: This is exactly why victims like Penny Puckett felt comfortable proceeding.

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Speaker 1: It's a money back guarantee. What did she have to lose?

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Speaker 1: So Penny lets the gen Shaw scammers charge eight thousand

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Speaker 1: eight thousand dollars you'll see why later. And they create

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Speaker 1: what looks like a website for Penny and assure her

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Speaker 1: that her baby car seat blankets will be selling like

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Speaker 11: But after the second month, zero sales, then I started

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Speaker 11: them to draw themselves to that website. Like for Google,

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Speaker 11: they had a service that would keep you at the

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Speaker 11: top of Google Search and all of that, which made sense,

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Speaker 11: but again there was more money out of your pocket.

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Speaker 8: And were you ever the top of a Google search?

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Speaker 8: Did any of those things happen?

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Speaker 10: No?

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Speaker 1: In all, Penny gives them thirty thousand dollars three thousand here,

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Speaker 1: seep blankets and have a thriving online business very soon.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's what they keep telling her.

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Speaker 6: It seems that they were praying on the vulnerable that

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Speaker 6: didn't understand the Internet well, saying no, this is how

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Speaker 6: all just works. And then once people spend so much

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Speaker 6: You don't want to tell someone else that you've lost

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Speaker 6: cost fallacy where people keep chasing it down because it's like,

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Speaker 6: if I can just fix it, right, no different than gambling.

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Speaker 6: If I can just fix it, if I can just

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Speaker 1: You have so much invested, you just need a little

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Speaker 6: If I can just get back to the initial investment,

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Speaker 11: When I started questioning them, they just, I mean, well,

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Speaker 11: you didn't do your homework, and I'm not one of

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Speaker 11: the sleft things, one of those you give me a

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Speaker 8: But that was the first sign that something was off,

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Speaker 8: and they turned it back on you. They blamed you.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I was upset because they had told me what

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Speaker 8: What actions did you take at this point? So you

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Speaker 8: feel like you're not getting what they promised. It's kind

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Speaker 12: What do you do?

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Speaker 11: I started disputing my credit cards because it was right

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Speaker 11: at the one hundred and eighty day mark that you

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Speaker 8: That's another layer of cleverness on their part because they're

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Speaker 1: Right these scammers, working at the direction of the Queen

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Speaker 1: of the con herself Jenshaw, know exactly what they're doing,

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Speaker 1: as does Jen. Remember she's the one at the top

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Speaker 1: scripting what these lower level scammers on the phone are

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Speaker 6: I think what Genshaw was leaning into is this is

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Speaker 6: but that's not wirefraud. You don't go to prison for that.

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Speaker 6: You pay a fine and your business get shut down.

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Speaker 6: I think Jen thought that was what was going to

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Speaker 7: One of the most important parts of the industry, if

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Speaker 1: Journalist Joseph L. Flatley talking about what's referred to as

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Speaker 7: If you have a product and somebody signs up for

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Speaker 8: Another hook that I see is regarding jen Shaw and

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Speaker 8: all these people. The way in for a lot of

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Speaker 8: So I imagine, you know human psychology. They think to themselves, well,

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Speaker 8: it's not a scam because I asked for information, I

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Speaker 7: Well, I think the Internet was a huge boon to this,

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Speaker 11: And I knew just enough to be dangerous.

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Speaker 1: Yep. But in the end, jen Shaw's telemarketing scammers have

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Speaker 11: Then I got to thinking, well, now what can I do?

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Speaker 11: you know, the better business hero ripoff dot com. I

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Speaker 11: did all kinds of stuff, putting out notices that these

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Speaker 11: that wouldn't do what they said that it would do.

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Speaker 11: They just took my money and they did some cookie

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Speaker 1: This all goes down in twenty fourteen. Pucket has no

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Speaker 11: My name is Molly McLaughlin.

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Speaker 3: I live in Iowa and I was, unfortunately a victim

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Speaker 11: Did not know who it was at the time.

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Speaker 1: The sophistication Jenshaw's minions employ to trick Molly is just

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Speaker 3: I personally thought I had done my research because obviously

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Speaker 1: Next time, on Queen of the Khan.

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Speaker 6: People trade on information with the Feds. Someone gets picked

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Speaker 6: I get it, but can I tell you about this.

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Speaker 1: How jen Shaw gets on the radar of homeland security

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Speaker 9: We don't target anybody who are targeting the find We're

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Speaker 9: following the facts. We know there's a corporation that's doing this,

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Speaker 9: we know that there's organizations and people that are involved.

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Speaker 9: Because not we're starting out. Let me look at Jenshaw.

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Speaker 9: That's not what this investigation unraveled.

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