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Speaker 1: Abbey's dad, who created Abbey's Ride for Life, you can

427
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Speaker 1: find them online. When you hear it's all about making

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Speaker 1: another dollar and your daughter is dead, what is your response, Well,

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Speaker 1: I guess what I do is I think about the

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Speaker 1: people outside of our family and how many people have

431
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Speaker 1: lost somebody and they've had no recourse. Um, it makes

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00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: me sad that these people are doing this and it's

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00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: a part of their livelihood. And so what I what

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00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: I hope to do with Gary and with Raquel and

435
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: is to this needs to be put out on the

436
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: in the in a bigger light, and it has to

437
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: be paid attention to. It's it's just been shoved under

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00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: under the rug for too many years, and it's just

439
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: all I all I hope for is someday that people

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00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: I can't imagine somebody losing their child like we did

441
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: and then go home and then have no recourse. You

442
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: can't find the right lawyer, you can't find the right

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00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: person to help you with your tragedy. And I mean,

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00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: if it wasn't for Raquel and Gary Um, we wouldn't

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00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: be here, you know, Bill, just hearing you just it's

446
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: it's just it's it's sickening. It's just sickening. It is.

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00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: It is sickening. And doctor Bethany Marshall, I want to

448
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: understand the frame of mind. I'm going to go back

449
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: to Roquel to give us all of her knowledge that

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00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: she can. Bethany, for instance, you know how I love

451
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: taking the children on a Disney cruise. You know why?

452
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: Because I feel safe. I feel like everything's going to

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00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: be okay. They're s they're having fun, there are staff

454
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: people everywhere. I've got my eyes on them, and it

455
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: feels safe and secure and happy. That's just me. But

456
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: when people go on vacation, especially with your children. We

457
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: are kind of lulled into a sense of complacency that

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Speaker 1: we're on vacation and nothing bad is going to happen,

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00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: and that really and Bill, Bill and Abbey spurred me

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Speaker 1: on to write a whole chapter about travel mishaps and

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00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: how to avoid them. What happens to us when we

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Speaker 1: go on vacation. Why do we think, oh, nothing bad's

463
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Speaker 1: going to happen here? Nancy is like a suspension of disbelief,

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00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: meaning like when you watch a movie and there's all

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Speaker 1: these stunts going on, you're going to believe the visual

466
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: cues rather than dismantling and taking apart. You know, oh

467
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: that was a dunt man on that rig. You know,

468
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: you're you're gonna want to watch the story rather than

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00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: the underpinnings. And I think like in Disney World and

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00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: Cruises and all these all inclusive resorts, they look so good.

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Speaker 1: There are greets when you come to the front of

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Speaker 1: the hotel. They serve you a nice drink or a cocktail.

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00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: The people behind the desk call you sir, and my

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Speaker 1: case doctor or miss or madam. And there's this idea

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00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: of how could these lovely young people behind the desk

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00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: or these cute, you know, college students working during the summer,

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00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: you know, handing you pals by the pool. How could

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00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: there be such a horrible underpinning to all of this.

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00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: I went on a cruise once with Good Morning America.

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00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: It was called Girls week Out, and they took I

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00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: think three hundred women on Norwegian Cruise lines. We had

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Speaker 1: a talk show every morning with Gayle King and a

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00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: Diane Sawyer, and they were all these different restaurants on

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Speaker 1: the boat. So there was the cafeteria and then there

485
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: was this high end restaurant, and then a Mexican restaurant,

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00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: then a steakhouse. And I realized as I went to restaurant,

487
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: from restaurant to restaurant, they were serving the exact same food.

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00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: It was chopped up as a hamburger when you went

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Speaker 1: to the cafeteria, and then it was served with a

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00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: sauce as a steak, as a high end steakhouse. But

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Speaker 1: the visuals of being whether you're in the cafeteria or

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Speaker 1: the high end steakhouse were supposed to trick you into

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Speaker 1: thinking you were having a better experience. Well, obviously, Bethany,

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00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: you need to go in a Disney cruise with me.

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00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: Because it's nothing like that. Yeah, I want to figure

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00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: out how this is happening and why it's happening. And

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Speaker 1: I want to go back to Raquel Rutledge investigating every

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00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: reporter who really cracked this whole the whole issue wide

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00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: open at the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. And if this reaches

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Speaker 1: even one family as you head out for summer vacation

501
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: with your family, it will all be worth it. Everybody

502
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: of this panel, We'll be happy if one person here's

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00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: this and heeds this warning. Raquel, it's not just Abbey

504
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: at Austin, Raquel, take a listen to our cut seventeen

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00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,719
Speaker 1: Griff Jenkins, Fox News. Just when you thought it couldn't

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00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: get worse, another mysterious death. There were six Americans in

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Speaker 1: the last twelve months that have diedled John Corkrane, one

508
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: of her favorite brothers. The family issuing this statement acknowledging

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00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: the passing quote. John Corkrane passed away at the end

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Speaker 1: of April in the dr from what is believed to

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00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: be natural causes. He loved and frequently visited the Dominican Republic.

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00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: The hotel where he was staying is unknown at this point.

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00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: The State Department also confirming it. We are in Santo Domingo,

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00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: the capital of the Dominican Republic, here at the US

515
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: in the sea. We came to talk to them about

516
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: this string of death. They're unable to go on camera

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Speaker 1: because of the ongoing investigation by Dominican officials at the

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00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: US is assisting, including the FBI, but they wanted to

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00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: stress that their highest priority is the safety and security

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00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: of Americans. You darn right you think it can't happen

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00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 1: to you. You know who that victim was is famous,

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00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: famous real tour in New York. I've heard her name

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00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: a million times. Barbara Corkran, her brother mysteriously dies after

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00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: drinking alcohol at a resort in the Dominican And to

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00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: twenty our friends at ABC listen to this about Layla Cox. Tonight,

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00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,760
Speaker 1: the State Department monitors yet another investigation of an American

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Speaker 1: tourist who died in the Dominican Republic and whose family

528
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 1: is asking questions. Just today, after her fifty third birthday,

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00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: Layla Cox, the radiologist from New York, died from what

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00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: officials say was a heart attack, but her son claims

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00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: she was healthy. It's been a NonStop nightmare just trying

532
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: to get her body and her remains back trying to

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00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: get answers. This after at least eight American deaths in

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Speaker 1: the last twelve months at different resorts across the island,

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00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: Families all around America asking questions. Nobody can give me

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00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: a solid answer on how she passed away. Everything is

537
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: being mistragged and miskewed. I get new information every single day.

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00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: It was just two weeks ago when Nathaniel Holmes and

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00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: Cynthia Day, seen here kayaking on the island, were both

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00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: found dead in a dr resort. Autopsies performed on the

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Speaker 1: island said they died of respiratory failure and pulmonary edema.

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00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 1: The husband of Miranda Warner says she died after drinking

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00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: from a mini bar in her room. He and the

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00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 1: relatives of Nathaniel Holmes and Cynthia Day now wait for

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00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: toxicology results. Officials they're saying there is no evidence so

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00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: far that the deaths are connected, and are urging tours

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00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: not to rush to judgment. Rachel Rutledge investigate every porter

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00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: of Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. How vast do you believe this is?

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00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: This phony alcohol business. I think it's much bigger than

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00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: anybody imagines. And I think it goes on early. I

551
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: mean in many places across the world. But because we

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00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 1: have so many tourists traveling to Mexico, just by the

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00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 1: vast numbers, we have more cases that show up there

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00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: than the rest of the Caribbean or anywhere else that

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00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: we vacation. But what happens is because of the nature,

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00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: as Gary mentioned, of the all inclusives, it gets it's

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00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: very easily hidden by the idea that you just have

558
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: college kids getting drunk, because the truth is, we do

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00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: have college kids getting drunk. So there's a lot of

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00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: things going on at once that make it easy to

561
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: hide this. There are some cases where perhaps people were

562
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: specifically drugged with date rate drug and raped, and there

563
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 1: are cases where people overdrank and got sick that way,

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00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: so it's easy to sort of love that all together

565
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: and just blame it on those things, when when actually

566
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: systemically there's there's something larger going on, and that has

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00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: been shown by the fact that they've they've cracked down,

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00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: even though as you said, yes a new bootlegger will

569
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: open up, but the fact that they did confiscate a

570
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: bunch of stuff does tell you that they that it

571
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: is in fact a problem and they are aware of it.

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00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: And to Bill Connor, Abbey's dad. You can find him

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00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:18,399
Speaker 1: online look up Abbey's Ride for Life Bill Connor. As

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00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: literally millions of people head out with their families on vacation.

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00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: What's your message, friend, Well, you got to be careful

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00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 1: no matter where you go. Um, you can't. You can't

577
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: be as trust trusting as we used to be. And

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00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: I think one of the big things that comes out

579
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: of this is I was talking to some of the

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00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: people in Wisconsin and the government. You know, when we

581
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: when we go out of the country or other other countries,

582
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: and you know, things like this happen. We don't have

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00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: like a nine one one type situation to I mean,

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Speaker 1: when you're in Mexico, you get in trouble, you're in trouble,

585
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 1: and but you know, yeah, your friends know you're down there,

586
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: but where exactly are you? I think we need to

587
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: have a system in which that families or individuals that

588
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: for whatever reason are in the wrong place at the

589
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 1: wrong time. I mean your cell phone. We need some

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00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:21,919
Speaker 1: type of communication that at least still will log where

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00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: you are, where you're at, and obviously that your phone

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00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: number will come up in some type of directory, um,

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00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 1: you know, with the just add add something. It's Roquel

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Speaker 1: here just talking about the State Department. I think we

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00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 1: as Americans do do imagine that when we travel we

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Speaker 1: are safe, that we can call our the consulate in

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Speaker 1: what our country we're visiting, and they will come to

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Speaker 1: our rescue and they will investigate. They don't have investigative

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00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 1: authority in most countries. They have contracted countries, and so

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00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: we have this false sense of security that our government

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00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: is going to protect us elsewhere, and it's just not true. Well,

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Speaker 1: I want to tell all of you guys how much

603
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: it means to us you're at Fox Nation in serious XM,

604
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: that you're joining together to literally save people's lives. With

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00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 1: all your investigative work, Raquel and Bill Connor your story,

606
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: you may very well save a life today. To everyone

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00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 1: listening or watching, please be careful as you head out

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Speaker 1: on vacation. Nancy Gray's crime Story signing off, goodbye friend,