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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I am so excited

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Speaker 1: did the country seem to take such a quick right turn,

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Speaker 1: and we're just in a totally different direction than when

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Speaker 1: I grew up. And today we have Katie Gorka with us,

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Speaker 1: who is going to explain because she is the co

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Speaker 1: author of a new book called Next Gen Marxism. What

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Speaker 1: it is and how to combat it? That is what

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Speaker 1: we need to know. Katie, thank you for joining me.

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Speaker 2: Tudor, thank you so much for having me on. Great

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Speaker 1: And I'm so glad because I mean it when I

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Speaker 1: say everybody talks about Marxism and I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: but they haven't really defined it and what it actually means.

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Speaker 1: And as I was going through some of the things

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Speaker 1: that you're talking about in this book, I'm like, man,

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Speaker 1: this is exactly what's going on. And just before we

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Speaker 1: got on air, I was saying to you when you

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Speaker 1: said that it was like the generation from the sixties

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Speaker 1: that then got into schools, got into you universities, and

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Speaker 1: I think about Jane Fonda and talking about down with

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Speaker 1: government and all of this. Explain a little bit about that,

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Speaker 1: because I don't think anybody's really saying this right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and I'm surprised they're not saying it, because honestly,

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Speaker 2: with all the student protests that happened this past April

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Speaker 2: more proof and a lot more clarity that Marxism is

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Speaker 2: at work here students themselves and those who are kind

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Speaker 2: of organizing the protests, which, to be fair, is many

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Speaker 2: people who are not students, right, but they are all

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Speaker 2: bandying about the term Marxism very freely. So, I you know,

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Speaker 2: Marxism is a tricky term, right. When Mike and I,

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Speaker 2: I think there was maybe initially some hesitation to use

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Speaker 2: the word Marxism because I worry that it's almost like

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Speaker 2: about it, the more strongly. We felt that we have

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Speaker 2: to use this term. It's so important that people understand

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Speaker 2: what is at the root of what we are seeing

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Speaker 2: for anybody who sort of has studied foreign affairs and

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Speaker 2: pivotal moments in the fight against communism. One was George Kennan,

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Speaker 2: who worked for the State Department at the time. He

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Speaker 2: not something that can coexist peacefully in the United States

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Speaker 1: So to define a little bit what you're seeing when

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Speaker 2: Okay, let me say first of all, so what makes

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Speaker 2: Marxism is the exact opposite. Marxism says the world is

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Speaker 2: they divide the world into what they call oppressor and oppressed.

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Speaker 2: the other. That's what they want, right, And how have

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Speaker 2: exactly through the university. So you know, one of the

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Speaker 1: Don't understand how powerful that is, but you are making

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and and you know that, thank you. That's how

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Speaker 2: and you know, again it's it's there's too much there

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Speaker 2: they went in through different paths. But you know, all

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Speaker 1: You talk about the oppressed and the oppressor, and I

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Speaker 1: and that is a different terminology. It's a kinder way

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Speaker 1: Which you're right, we thought was new. So this is

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Speaker 2: there were there were five or six really important books

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Speaker 2: I think what happens is you have these these professors,

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Speaker 2: So I used to say, like, get it from your

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you this is what they've been after from

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Speaker 2: more reason why if people understand what's behind this. You know,

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Speaker 2: truly have been led to believe that they are doing

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I think there's so much going on.

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Speaker 1: is something special that will change you forever. And that's

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Speaker 1: something that you do when you're married. And it's just

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Speaker 1: such a hard thing in this world to have that conversation.

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Speaker 1: But I think that those are These are the conversations

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Speaker 1: So I appreciate you taking the time to come on

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Speaker 1: the book. Thank you so much, Katie Gorka. It's been

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Speaker 1: a pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Thanks didter great being on with.

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