1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: Money. Well, say, take Valentine, we are the authority. What's 2 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: going on? Is your boy Tank? This is Mr Valentine. 3 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: I'm I'm Valentine. You are the Valentine. Sometimes you missed 4 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: the Valentine was saying. We all go with the Valentine 5 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: to Day and this is the R B Money Podcast, 6 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: the authority on all things R and B. Listen, let 7 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: me pause for a second. The Valentine. I feel like, 8 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: you know, I always do the intros. You know, the 9 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,919 Speaker 1: intros is my place, That's why. But I feel like 10 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: I feel like this is your intro. I feel like 11 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: you should have handled this. This was because today, talking 12 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: about to Day, we went back to the essence, right, 13 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: we went back to where this whole R and B 14 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: money things started. Now, R and B music might have 15 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: been around, but they wouldn't getting to the money. So 16 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: today on the R and B Money Podcast, we have 17 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: Sir m hmm, Capital s Capital Capital are Ray Parker, Junior, 18 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 1: the Ghost Weston himself in the Mill, Harris and Bills. 19 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: I don't care it my god, sir, just having Sunday night. Yeah, 20 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: that's why I looked at JA, said Sir Ray Parker 21 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: to you. Now I'm gonna respected. But can you can 22 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: you just before we dive back into the archives, can 23 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: you give us like, how do you become sir? What's hell? Am? 24 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: I know? I had a neighbor who was who was 25 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: a guy he knew the Prince of Spain and the 26 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: next year, I guess the two of them were talking about, 27 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: you know, he lived down there, and they thought I 28 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: was worthy. You don't need to check my background, make 29 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: sure I ain't done. They already knew it was out 30 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: because the neighborhood though, yeah catch that part though I 31 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: had a name, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we know, 32 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: so we had to check. You didn't check me out, 33 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,119 Speaker 1: make sure I have done no deeds, you know, wrong 34 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:21,959 Speaker 1: deeds and all this stuff, and you're worthy of royalty. 35 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:23,679 Speaker 1: And they said, would he'd be a good guy to 36 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: having the order, you know, the royal in the Royal 37 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: Royal Order? Yeah, what you know about that? The Royal Order? Yeah, 38 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 1: I have no idea about black I'm a black guy 39 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: from Detroit. I mean, I'm as far away from the 40 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: Royal watched the Game of Thrones. The Game of Thrones, 41 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 1: so no, it's got something to do with that. Vikings 42 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: is a good show. There's a royal order on there. Yeah, 43 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 1: but you're part of the royal order. So that means 44 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: when when it all goes down, you're gonna get one 45 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: of the phone calls. You're protected. Yeah, and then they 46 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: have sovereigns exactly about the sovereignation. So I may get 47 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: dual citizenship, I may have a second citizenship. Will give 48 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: you some tax advantages, and there's some other things that 49 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: can go along with this. I'm just learning. So yeah, 50 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: so we spoke about, you know, your sovereignty. You're being 51 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: survey from now on, they can't call you nothing else. 52 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: But let's go back. Because it's the R and B 53 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: Money podcast. We like to uh, we like we like 54 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: our podcast to be informative. It's funny and you know, 55 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: we want to tell real stories and we want people 56 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: to have an understanding of where the music truly comes from. 57 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: So from my understanding, it's Motown? Am I right? Kind 58 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: of right? I wouldn't say it came from Motown. The 59 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: Motown obviously played a big part of my career. It's music. 60 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: Music started for me as six years old. I didn't 61 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: want to dance with the girls in gym class. The 62 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: head is doing some kind of dance in elementary school 63 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: if you can remember, being five or six, I remember, 64 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: and we had to switch girls, and I'm like, I 65 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: don't like this girl, think you know, switching partners. So 66 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: I went to the principal of the school at six 67 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: years old and told the principle I wasn't happy with 68 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: the curriculum. And so she's, first of all, she paused 69 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: for about five minutes, like you gotta be kidding a 70 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: little kids coming in my office, to the principal's office. 71 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: You know, you don't like. I don't I don't like. 72 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: I don't like, I don't like, I like. I ain't 73 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: feeling it, you know. So she took me to a 74 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: music class, of which one I got there. I didn't 75 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: know what the music class was, by the way, so 76 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: it's not like I wanted to play an instrument. I 77 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: didn't even know what that meant. But when I got there, 78 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: my best friend Ali Brown and Nathan Watts were already there. 79 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: And by the way, they're still musicians to today. So 80 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: remember those names because it's relevant. And uh so the 81 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: teacher looked at me, says, what instrument you want to play? 82 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: I wanted to play the flute because you got to 83 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: carry the instrument home. Man. I didn't want to take 84 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,919 Speaker 1: the tube but home, it's too heavy. So I picked 85 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: the clarinet, and I became very good at the clarinet. 86 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: I didn't care, but the teacher was so motivating. My 87 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 1: elementary school teacher was everything to me, you know, And 88 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: he was so motivating that he put the three of 89 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 1: us best friends together and formed the band and called 90 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: the band the Sting Rays at six. Now, what was 91 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: interesting about that? He named the band after me? Put 92 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: sting Raids with already White. The other two guys they 93 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: didn't know. They just got screwed all day. They hadn't 94 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: figured out they got stuff they got. Yeah, they didn't 95 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 1: figure out the name band was named after me, and 96 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 1: they just got screwed. So they didn't do that, and 97 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: so we did that for a while. Then when I 98 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: got older, about eleven years old, my brother had a 99 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 1: little cheap guitar and I started playing a guitar. Now, 100 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: the guitar for me was like magical. It was like 101 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: the clarinet. I was working at it. Everything else. I 102 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,559 Speaker 1: was working at it, but somebody they put the guitar 103 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 1: in my hand. It was like, yeah, God, just bless me. 104 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 1: This is it, this is where I am. And then 105 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 1: I broke my leg at eleven, and so I practiced 106 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: all day every day. And to make the story shorter 107 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 1: for you, by the time I was thirteen, I was 108 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: on tour at the Spinners What yeah. So then I 109 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: then by the time I was fourteen, fourteen and a half, 110 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: then I started on Motown. I started working with Marvin Gaye, 111 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: last night, Smokey Robinson. I was in the studio with 112 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 1: all the guys. So you were to do the house 113 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 1: of music, whoever that is. Yeah, yeah, I know, dude, 114 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: I'm remember. Yeah yeah. So I got it going, and 115 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: by fifteen I was pretty much financially independent by fifteen, 116 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 1: and my dad swore I was selling drugs and doing 117 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 1: something right. I mean, so he went to my cousin 118 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: and said, you go following him around. There's nowhere in 119 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,119 Speaker 1: the world that kid can make that much money playing 120 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 1: the guitar and he's only fifteen years old. And so 121 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 1: my cousin followed me around. I didn't know why he 122 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: was hanging with me, was like, his older cousin was like, 123 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: you ain't up hung with me before, why are you 124 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 1: hanging with me now? You know. But he was trying 125 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: to figure out what I was doing and he had 126 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: to go back and report. Well, you know, Ray ain't 127 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: really going to class. He's skipped in school, but he 128 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: is playing music because the sessions were going on the daytime. 129 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: I wasn't going to school. I'm going to play the 130 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 1: Motown We don't go stupard, you know. And I was 131 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: working with Hollandojo Holland when they separated from Motown because 132 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: they couldn't use the Funk Brothers, which was the Motown band, 133 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: so they ended up using me at Hollando Holland and 134 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: all their records. So I was doing that three days. 135 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 1: So back then it doesn't sound like a lot of money, 136 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: but it was at the time. We can make a 137 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: hundred bucks playing three hours every three hours, so I 138 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: could do that three times a week. I was playing 139 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: at the club called the twenty Grand, which was the 140 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: famous club. It's like Cotton Club and Hound and all 141 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: the big bands smoke, you know, smoking. Robinson would come 142 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: their glass ninety pips. I was making three hundred fifty 143 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: dollars a week there and then I do Jewish by 144 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: mrs and weddings and I can make another thirty five, 145 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: you know, dollars a trip, and so I'm making I 146 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: can make it like seven eight hundred bucks a week. Now, 147 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: you gotta understand a brand new Lincoln Continental is only 148 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: five grand back then, what you got to so like 149 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: you look at your car and say, oh, I only 150 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: got to work too three weeks and I got the 151 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: whole car, you know, And I'm like, yeah, it wasn't nothing. 152 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: I could buy a sept a bicycle for fifty bucks 153 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: and all the time I had, You know, there was 154 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: there was one month I worked with Marvin Gator Studio 155 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: all month at fifty I think I was sixteen in 156 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: and I made eighteen thousand dollars for the month. That's 157 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: more money than my father made all year working at four. 158 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: So you gotta kind of, yeah, you gotta kind of 159 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: get into that and get a picture that. Yeah, where 160 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: were you season can ask this question, you worked with 161 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: Marvin Gay. Youre working Marvin for a month. What did 162 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: that entail? Where is it? Was it just session work 163 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: or were you able to input? Oh? Yeah, yeah, yeah 164 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: that working with Marvin game was the most fun I 165 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: had at that age because he would let us write 166 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: songs with him. In fact, there's an album that came 167 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: out last year called Funky Town or something, and it's 168 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,839 Speaker 1: the unfinished tracks that Marvin never finished singing. He says 169 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 1: my name on the record while I was naming on 170 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: the record, and behind his name on the record, and 171 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: all our names on we all got co writers on 172 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: all the songs. And so what would it be as 173 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: we go all day in the studio going in the world, 174 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: we record with Marvin, then we go over Marvin's house 175 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: and listen to tapes. Now I'm the youngest one there, 176 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: so I'm sitting to taple cord. They're telling me loaded 177 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: seven and a half inch tape, you know, put the 178 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: tape cord in. And that was the first time I 179 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 1: saw a rack of Macintosh Ampson tan Oi speaker. His 180 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: his house sounded better than the studio, you know. And 181 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: I'm too young to figure we're just kicking Marvin's house. 182 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: You go to Marvin's house every day, I mean, that's 183 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: no big deal, you know. And Marvin liked to smoke 184 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: a little weed from time to time. So my favorite 185 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: story they were they were doing a documentary one time 186 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,199 Speaker 1: on Marvin. They were interviewing me because I'm on his 187 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: greatest hits and a bunch of stuff. And so he 188 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: was smoking a little weed and he looked over at 189 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: me and he went his kids under age, and he 190 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: got the drivers like yet. So he just looked at 191 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: me and says, man, why don't you take my car 192 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: and go for you know, go get lost for a 193 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: couple hours. You know, I'm still getting paid. But he 194 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,319 Speaker 1: gave me the car, not the car he had. If 195 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: you saw the current super Fly, the bug Carolin with 196 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: the things, Marvin had a burger. Marvin had a Burgundy 197 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: when it was cold, love it right through me. The keys. 198 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't have a driver's license, you know. Me, 199 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: I get in the car, man, I'm not, I'm not. 200 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: I'm in this fifty thousand all in Catillac. Man. I'm 201 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: leaning over to me and the mirror. My head's under 202 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: the mirror like this. And I went to my high school, 203 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: you know, rolling because you gotta go somewhere. You gotta 204 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: go to the high school. And I'm looking all my boys. 205 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: Then it occurs to me that the guys get that 206 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: close to me. Man, they're gonna hop in the car. 207 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: I just burned, rubbing left all. But they were like 208 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: what's that ringing? So I thought that was the most 209 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 1: exciting thing, and I told that story in his documentary. 210 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: They took me out the whole documentary because I told 211 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: the story. They said they wanted to hear about the 212 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: real deal. I gave him the real deal and then 213 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: they kicked me out the whole documentary for that. So 214 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: I was like, okay. But Marvin was the coolest guy. 215 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: He was a great football player. You know. They were 216 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: going to sign him to the Detroit Lions, so he 217 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: because I think I heard that he tried out for 218 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 1: the Redskins, but he was well, he was with Lyn 219 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: Barney all the will come to the studio. So they 220 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: were going to sign him to the Detroit Lines. But 221 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 1: he had to say that he wasn't going on two 222 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: effects amount of time. I didn't want to do that. 223 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: He was gonna really get a real party. He was. 224 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: It was a receiver, right something. Yeah, but he I 225 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: was too young though he was. But he was also 226 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: a great boxer. By the way, Mom had the hands 227 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: to Mark, b Oh, yeah, you messed with Marvin's woman. 228 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: He was punching this woman guys out, literally punching guys out. Mark, 229 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: you don't mess heavyweight. You don't you don't play. But 230 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: he said all the records with Jaz you know, you know, 231 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: you know, you know, jan said hello stuff. Don't talk 232 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: to me him because Marvin would knock you out. So 233 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: but he was. He was a wonderful guy, just a 234 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: great human being, wonderful guy. One of my So you've 235 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: been around all of them because the other the other 236 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: person I wanted to ask you about, Verry White, very White, 237 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: wasn't one of our closest friends. Yeah, me and very 238 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: White man. We you know, Barry comes from Houston, Texas 239 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: and grew up here in competent and stuff. So he's 240 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: like sort of a roughneck kind of guy. But I 241 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:08,559 Speaker 1: like those kind of guys because I grew up in Detroit, 242 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: and so we we showed her identified each other. You know, 243 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 1: when I first made Barry White, Gene Page invited me 244 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: to the studio and he had speakers of really really 245 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: loud champion. You'll be like going like this got his 246 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: diamonds on here, diamonds or he's doing that way before 247 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: the rappers, he had aling out. Oh he was blame 248 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: blaing out yellow suit. You know, he's like he's sitting 249 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: there around like that, and I had an idea for 250 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: a song and in me from Detroit, and I'm like, well, 251 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: how do I get this guy's attention? And I would 252 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 1: never do this now, I'm way too refined, and you know, 253 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: I been living here for too long. But at that 254 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,959 Speaker 1: time I went to stop on the button, stopped this music. 255 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 1: He turned around, looked, he looked in the back. Let's go, 256 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: and I got a big afro, and I've got my shirt. 257 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: I got my little tank top on says I'm a 258 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: fucking genius on the shirt. So I'm trying to I'm 259 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: not hiding myself. I mean, I'm feeling over maybe a 260 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: little overcomfident people more, saying he was the most modest 261 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: guy in the world. So I mean, I had to 262 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: go on. And then he looked back and before he 263 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: could like shoot me or kick me out, he says, well, 264 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: didn't get in there and play it there, you know. 265 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: So I went in and worked on one of his 266 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: earlier albums and I played the line, and I thought 267 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: he's gonna back up and let me play it all 268 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: the way down. He came on the speaker said keep 269 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: playing like that, you know, and so on the actual 270 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 1: record that I did. There's like two bars where I'm 271 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 1: not even playing, right he because that's who I'm saying, 272 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: keep playing, And he just kept the whole thing and 273 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: just played it and we were good ever since. Yeah, 274 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: and then we had other things that were you know, 275 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: his scene was that he got ten writer signed him, 276 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: he says, but nobody gets a song on Barry Waite, 277 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: no way, no how. And he had a Love and 278 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: Limited and then he had Loving Limited Orchestra. So the 279 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: first thing I did is I condom into getting me 280 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: a song on Love and Limited. You know, Love Limited. 281 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: He used to write him all himself. Oh yeah, he 282 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: write them on himself. So I kind of into getting 283 00:13:51,760 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: me one on Love Limited Orchestra. Yeah, And so I 284 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 1: had him, I had to. I had Jeane Page was 285 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 1: doing the chart, the famous arrange, and he was with 286 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: my buddy. So Jeane had done the charts from me 287 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: all the stuff. So when I pushed Barry and by 288 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: the way, Barry White, he paid us all triple scale. 289 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: And if you were done with the music early, you 290 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: can go home. You still get paid. So we were 291 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: done one day early, and I waited to that day 292 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: and the music radio and all this stuff ready, and 293 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: then you know, he was in my car which he 294 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: cut his arm, sitting a little Mercedes convertibles. Look, that 295 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: was a good idea, idea, But I played in the music. 296 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, that's nice, real, Okay, I'm going home. 297 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: I said, some wanting him to cut this song. He said, well, 298 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: we're finish, the musicians are going home, and said, you 299 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: ain't got no chart to get that. I said, I 300 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: got the charts, I got everything. I said, why don't 301 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: you just going home? I beat there like half and 302 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: I don't worry about this that so I talked to 303 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: all the guys in the band. Didn't cut the track. 304 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: He put it on the Wreck pent my song now, 305 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: but that wasn't I wasn't satisfied with that, which everybody 306 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: else said. Man, we thought he kidding. I want a 307 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: song on Barry White that I wrote that he wrote 308 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: together the whole thing. So his manager live upstairs with 309 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: me on Ali Drive, Shoka can live next door here, 310 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: very White lit upstairs. I wrote this tune for Verry 311 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: White card you got the Love right. He wouldn't record 312 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: it unless Stevie here. He wouldn't record, so I cut 313 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: it on Shotka. Can we have number one record on 314 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: Rufus and Shotgun. Yeah you got the love Rubig Shotgun. 315 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: So now I'm getting a little more respect from Barry Whitey. 316 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: You know. It's like that little kid, that little punk 317 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: kid rolled a hit some of that, and that's when 318 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: they call me a little punk kid, you know, because 319 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: it was snody knows punk kid talks too much. Where's 320 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: too much flashy stuff. So you know, Barry white comes 321 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: over to the department because his road manager and lived upstairs, 322 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: and he's very white. So he's parking wherever he wants. 323 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: He parked his kind of right where the gate thing is. 324 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: It's O can't nobody to get in there. You can't 325 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: abody get in. So me not thinking about that. All 326 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about is I want him to cut my song. Yeah, 327 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: So I get in my car, I go get it, 328 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: put the cassette and the corn. I'm a blast and 329 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: I drive around thing. Then I triggered the thing up. Oops, 330 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: and he's got his white Mark three and the gates 331 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: kid it. It lifted the front of his car up 332 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: off the ground and then the car was heavy to 333 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: the gate, so the gate fell off the thing and 334 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: then crashed on top of his car and for and 335 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: for the people that's watching. I don't know if y'all know, 336 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: but in R and B music, Very White it's probably 337 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: top two gangsters all time, probably not number two. He's 338 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: probably my number two real gangster, real gangster. So he 339 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: looked at me and said, thanks for I needed that, 340 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: you know. His cards off to him, and I said, yeah, 341 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: but man, you know, I'm sorry, Mr White, but you 342 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: gotta listen to this song. So I played him the song. 343 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: Believe it that I actually play him the song that 344 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: I give him a copy of song. He wrote the 345 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: lyrics to it, and that song it's called You See 346 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: the Trouble with Me We're so six man, right, And 347 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: then all of his writers were like, but you told 348 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: us nobody gets a song on Very White. No way, 349 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: no how, nobody's writing a song everyway. And I'm like, 350 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: I got me a song fifty with Barry White, you know, 351 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: so that's it. Congratulations. Yeah, Now, by the way, it's 352 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,479 Speaker 1: business wise. I wanted to publish it, but I couldn't 353 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: get the post. Beery White said, you ain't getting the 354 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: publish you know, and nobody got published and at that 355 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: time in your career, and I like to tell new 356 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: people too. Sometimes you got to give up some stuff 357 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: that you normally wouldn't give up later, you know, once 358 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: you become Stevie wonder, you ain't gotta do that, you know, 359 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: but in the beginning you might have to give up 360 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: a little bit to get something, you know. And having 361 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: a cut on Barry White at that time was very significant, 362 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: you know. So I did that one. It was happy. 363 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: I did, made a lot of money. You know, I'm 364 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: gonna mess up his car. Man said, if I get that, 365 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: do whatever you want to do, whatever you want your question, 366 00:17:56,200 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: then what no room for this? So this full here, 367 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: this seguay till our next name. This fool here just 368 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 1: did an interview and he says, because listen, you you 369 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,199 Speaker 1: here now, and you're somebody that can either confirm or 370 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 1: deny this this food gonna get on an interview and 371 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: say that Stevie wanted can see a little bit? No 372 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: he can't, right, you see a little bit? Can he? 373 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: Me and Stevie wanted the boys, I mean, we were 374 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:29,120 Speaker 1: like more than just working together. And he feels see no, no, 375 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 1: see like could he stay in a lane while driving 376 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: if you coached him and we did that, you did 377 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: what Lets Stevie want to drive? You have to tell 378 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: us how that plays out, because you're still here first. 379 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: I but I mean, I mean back in the day, 380 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: you know. But this is before you know, all the 381 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: bodyguards and no, this is here. Yeah, but this is 382 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: after I quit the band too. I mean I'd already 383 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 1: quit the band and I'm out here and he's out here, 384 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 1: and where were you still go pick him up all 385 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: the time with him and go hang out. We go 386 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: go girls house and just do some crazy stuff, you know, 387 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:25,640 Speaker 1: and Steve were kicking. Yeah, yeah, I gotta you gotta 388 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 1: hurry if it becomes Stevie, I have that kind of 389 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 1: talk man killing us right now. So there, if you 390 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,880 Speaker 1: go down let's see, I think San Vicente wherever it ends, 391 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 1: somewhere near Pico or something goes way down there. There 392 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 1: was like a may company or a big department store 393 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 1: something down there, you know. So anyway, Stevie thought we 394 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: were on lost the end of or something. He wanted 395 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 1: to drive, So I put in the car and I 396 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: told him when we get to the light, you're gonna 397 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: do this. And then but we really were in the 398 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,679 Speaker 1: parking lot of Make Company, like two in the morning. 399 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: What nobody there, right, So he wanted to drive. He's 400 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: really good at driving. But I said, when I say left, 401 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: you go left. When I say stop, you stop. When 402 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: I go right, you go right. And so he did it, 403 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: you know, and we were good. He didn't hit nothing. 404 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: I mean, we had a lot of space, but we 405 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: have a lot of space. But still my heart was 406 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,239 Speaker 1: beating a little bit. And you know, did you at 407 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: some point telling you Finesta, did you No, he's gonna 408 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: find out. We got a bunch of other crazy stuff 409 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: we did too, but you know, we don't need we 410 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: don't need to confess to everything. Yeah, but no, he 411 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 1: could drive. He's good at it, you know. In fact, 412 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: when he did that, was it James Corman Show or whatever, 413 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 1: you know, when they put you in the car with you, 414 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,439 Speaker 1: I thought he was gonna drive. I was like, watch 415 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: any minute now, Steve, he's gonna drive. And they were 416 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: in there singing, and at the end of the show 417 00:20:56,040 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 1: he didn't drive. I was like, that would have been 418 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: the bar. Sure. I was sure they're gonna mess up 419 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: the world because Stevie gonna start driving, and that's gonna 420 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: be it. You know, if I had known James Cordon. 421 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: Then I would have said, let's Stevie drive. Tell your show. 422 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:15,679 Speaker 1: Your show would be number one. Let's see the world 423 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: in the world. I just let's Stevie drive. Let's Stevie drive. 424 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: I don't know what to say after that. But no, 425 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: he can't see. But I'll tell you this. You wouldn't 426 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 1: know it. Yeah, it's incredible. I mean we were when 427 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: I got in the band. Man, I remember he got 428 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 1: into a argument with the drummer and I don't know why. Man, 429 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: the drummer, by the way, Stevie those days, he's only 430 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: a few years old me, so he was. He was built, 431 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: rip buffed, push up to the whole thing. And the 432 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: drummer got the attitude and said, man, I'm tired of Steven. 433 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 1: Put a blindfold on me. I'm gonna fight Stevie. Think 434 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: that this is not a good idea. This is just 435 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: not a good stee the drum This is the way 436 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 1: I mean, so I can fight Steve. Wh This the 437 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 1: way I got my best friend Alie Brown in the 438 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: band from Detroit is the drummer got I think if 439 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:07,919 Speaker 1: the drummer is gone, then I can get my guy in. 440 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 1: But it wasn't that. It was like, here's the moment 441 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 1: where the drummer getting ready. I got the blind phold. O, 442 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,640 Speaker 1: yeah that's good. Yeah, I put the blind phold on him. 443 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: And we put the blind phold on the drummer and 444 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 1: they're gonna do it out. And you should have seen 445 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: together the guy man is doing like this. He's trying 446 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:28,199 Speaker 1: to find Stevie. And every time he went bam, I 447 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 1: mean it was like just pu, I mean, straight punch. 448 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 1: We just went on for a couple of minutes and 449 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: we we threw the towel. We're like, you gotta stop. 450 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: Oh he Stevie was beating him that. I don't think 451 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: he got one punch on Steve. And every time he 452 00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 1: yause he could hear it heightens and yeah he he 453 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: was hitting the gup so fast, and it was just 454 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: like this ain't no fight. This ain't the fifth to 455 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 1: the town throwing it town like Rocky thro the town. 456 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 1: At some point out it took off the blind photo. 457 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: And how about this, if he took the blindfold off, 458 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: he may still have gotten the same it's probably got 459 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: because he was Stevie was ripped. He was built. Stevie 460 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: beating niggas out man. You were killing me right now, 461 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 1: the drumma sound drum, I got a whole new meeting. 462 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: Are you kidding? No, we had a lot of fun. 463 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: Stevie's a nice cat. He's he's a wonderful guy. I 464 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: sit next to Stevie and we sang and played together 465 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: one night. So you got a picture. If I'm eighteen, 466 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: he's twenty one. Oh yea, he's the boss. So who's 467 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: controlling this stuff? I mean, we got the boss is 468 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: just as crazy as the rest of us doing it. 469 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: And you know how you are at nineteen twenty. It's 470 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 1: that krand of crazy. So I go pick, we go 471 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: dry right, were doing crazy stuff, you know girls, I 472 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 1: mean we're just doing whatever. So how old are you 473 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: when you moved to l A. I was nineteen? Okay, yeah, 474 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: just turn the nineteen. May have been eighteen, but just 475 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: turned the nineteen because I got with Stevie when in 476 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 1: the Rolling Stones when he called me outside, hey, hey, hey, 477 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: just you can't rolling Stone. You'll see. And this is 478 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 1: a this is a great story because I'm in college, 479 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: which I hated, and I got to college early. So 480 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: I'm seventeen in college and and they're making me draft 481 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: car parts and all that stuff. All I want to 482 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: do is drive the car. I don't build no car, 483 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I'm just not feeling it. 484 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: But my dad worked for for forty eight years, and 485 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: he's like, son, you got to get a white college job, 486 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 1: pension retirement. You know this after you make an eighteen 487 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 1: thousand and them's way past that. Yeah, and I'm seventeen. 488 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,360 Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think that work seven ain't 489 00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: gonna work there. I'm seventeen and I'm in the lunch 490 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: roing with some friends of mine, and I'll never forget 491 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: they looked at me and they said, we're tired of 492 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: hearing about you and Smokey Rob. If you knew Marvin Gay, 493 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: you wouldn't be sitting here with us, right. And I 494 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 1: looked at the guy said that's the first thing anybody 495 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,880 Speaker 1: said to me that made me sense. Watch this, take 496 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 1: my books, and I just walked out to lunch room, 497 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 1: never to return. So I went home, talked to my 498 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 1: dad and and Stevie Wonder had called just then, and 499 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 1: I'll never forget when he called me. Music from My 500 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: Mind was my favorite album of all time. I mean, 501 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: I never heard those news sounds that was the first 502 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: time anybody heard synthesized days. Yeah, remember Stevie started all that. 503 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: I mean, so when you heard in your car, you 504 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: just went, is it good? Is it bad? I don't 505 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: even know what it is that I never heard it before. 506 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: It was like, you just never heard it before. What's that? 507 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: What's all these sounds? You know? And he had the 508 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: voices with the sounds. So the only album I hand 509 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: in my car was music from my Mind. So when 510 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 1: he called me up, he needed to get time from 511 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: I guess everybody said, he said. Everybody spoke to said 512 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,199 Speaker 1: call Ray, you know, call this kid Ray. So he 513 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 1: called me. The first thing I did was hang up 514 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: on him, you know, click. Then yeah, I thought, I 515 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: ain't know Stevie, want to come? Me's some one of 516 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: my friends, and you know, then he called a couple 517 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: he was first. He called a couple of times back 518 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: then I hung up, and I think the third time 519 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 1: I put some four letter words and then hung up. 520 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 1: You know. But it wasn't it wasn't pretty, you know. 521 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: So you called back again, said, man, I don't think 522 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 1: we filmed each other. Uh, let me let me play 523 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: you a little bit. And he played me the rhythm 524 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 1: track the Superstition he was working. I was like, holy 525 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,439 Speaker 1: crap a tongue I am about Stevie one. I mean, 526 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 1: I got, you know, correct this. And so he asked 527 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 1: me to go on tour with him and the Rolling Stones. 528 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: They were doing that. That's the biggest tour of the 529 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: year at that time. There was nothing bigger than the 530 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 1: Rolling Stones and Stevie wanted together. I'm just gonna be 531 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: stadium tour. Everything sold out, limbousines, tear gas, you know, 532 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: massive stereo, British. Yeah. It was that kind of stuff, 533 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: you know, you got to back them up. Yeah, yeah, 534 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 1: So it was crazy. I mean it was like, you know, 535 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: but I told him first, I got to talk to 536 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,479 Speaker 1: my dad, you know, get because I'm respecting by my parents. 537 00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 1: And my dad was crying. He was like, son, I 538 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: eving money for you to go college since before you 539 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: were born, you know. And I was like, yeah, but 540 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: I don't want to do that. I want to go 541 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 1: with the rock and roll band, you know. So we 542 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: headed out, you know, and then I repeated back to 543 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: my dad and very respectfully. After about two days, he 544 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: gave up, you know, he said, I can't do nothing 545 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: with this poor kid, he's going down. You know, he's 546 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,959 Speaker 1: gonna make twenty to night. I said, I don't think so, Dad, 547 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do a little better than that, you know. 548 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 1: And so I went on that tour and that that 549 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,479 Speaker 1: was a life changing for me. That was the big 550 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: eye opener life because everything I did was in Detroit, 551 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: and this is the first time I got to see 552 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: the rest of the world and see what everybody else 553 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: on at any team, what everybody else was doing, you know, 554 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,239 Speaker 1: And it just opened my eyes to everything. I mean, 555 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: I didn't know no publishing and no writing songs or produced. 556 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 1: I didn't know what none of this stuff. I don't 557 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: even know what it was. I just want to play together. 558 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 1: When you had any form of representation at all, know 559 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,360 Speaker 1: what not. The only person you just had to talk 560 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: to his pops. Exactly, can I go, yeah, exactly. And 561 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: my dad was pretty smart, by the way, especially with money. 562 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 1: My dad, I'm never forget even when we were younger, 563 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 1: he used to There were no calculators and computers, but 564 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: he used to make me amateurize the mortgage and figure 565 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: out each payment, which is difficult because the interest rate. 566 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 1: Once you make a payment last month, it's a different 567 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 1: payment the next one between the principle in the in 568 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: the in the in the the interest. Each month the 569 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 1: payment is the same, but the balance is I had 570 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 1: to figure that out. Like eleven years old. He was 571 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: setting Yeah, he was setting me up. So my dad 572 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: had some great ideas, some of them should have listened 573 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 1: to a little more, especially with the girls and accountants 574 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: and a bunch of others. We're gonna get that. They 575 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: have a look at the dollar bill and his thing. 576 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 1: We says, see that way, says what is this sayce 577 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: in God? You trust? You know God? We trust. My 578 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 1: dad says, Now if you trust anybody else, it says 579 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: right here who to trust? He says, if you trust 580 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: anybody other than God, you're in trouble. In trouble. And uh, 581 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: later in life I found out, boy, he's really he's 582 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: really right. You pay attention to this. You should have 583 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 1: put some red marks beside that. I said by my 584 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: mom all the time, I'll be mad something she said 585 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: from teen years ago, like you know what she told 586 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: me that. Yeah, so you're going on tour with Stevie 587 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: and the Rolling Stone. Yeah, biggest tour in the world, 588 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: tear gas limousines and we you know the other things 589 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: that I'm sure, oh my God, can get into. Yeah, 590 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: we don't. We don't have to a little more x rated. 591 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: So you said at this point you don't know publishing. 592 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: You don't know none of these songs. When did you 593 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: start being like the soft after songwriter. Yeah, but that 594 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: took a while, by the way. That came after the 595 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: very white stuff, after you got the love, And I'll 596 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 1: tell you exactly when it really flipped for me in 597 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: a big way. You know where I could with things change. 598 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: I wrote this tune call you made Me feel like dance? Okay, 599 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: you make me feel like and won won the Grammy 600 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: Song of the Year. Yeah we we No. Well, here's 601 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: what's bad. My name ain't on the song nowhere, and 602 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 1: I got no credit. I got completely screwed. Should have 603 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: been millions of dollars. I got nothing. And not only 604 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: did I write the song at home and bring it in, 605 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 1: the producer did me in, by the way. And I 606 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: mean I thought he was my boy because I had 607 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: my name on the sign to bring me fresh cut 608 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 1: watermelon juice every day, and he just did me in 609 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: big time to me, And not only did I write 610 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: the song at home, but I mean, i's me playing 611 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: on the record. I put the band together, so there's 612 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: no question of what happened everybody. I wrote it and yeah, 613 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: put the band in it because all the producers, Yeah, 614 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 1: pretty much. And so the good news to that is 615 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: that's like me being a basketball player winning and winning 616 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: the series and I ain't got no deal. I wouldn't 617 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 1: sign anybody. So Clide Davis like this song I had 618 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: called Jack and Jill, which I had also given to 619 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 1: the same guy who stolen song. Yeah, that's that's the thing. 620 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: Not to cut you off, but in this business, right 621 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,959 Speaker 1: when you when you when you link in with somebody 622 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: and you believe that there you're in two things, you 623 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: kind of give them whatever you you're the best of 624 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 1: the best of you. So like you said, he had 625 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 1: already stolen one, but you were giving him another. Well, 626 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: I'd already given him that at the same time before. 627 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: So this is part of the bat. I don't think 628 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 1: I gave him the second one after Okay, okay, no, no, 629 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: because something we got some people do and that's why 630 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 1: I wanted to. I wanted to say that. Yeah, And 631 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: so when Clive Davis got wind of it, I think 632 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: I was like twenty one or two years old. He says, 633 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 1: get me this ray Pocket guy here. He got a 634 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: little studio in his house. You know, he's got all 635 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 1: this stuff going on. He's written these songs. Just bring 636 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: him to me. So I got to him. And what 637 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 1: was nice about it. I'm like an athlete, not who 638 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: don't hand no deal. I'm I'm out in the street. 639 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: Are So, I'm my first deal was like somebody else's 640 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 1: second record deal. He's like, he's already proved himself. He 641 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: did this, this and this, and we're gonna do this. 642 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: He said, don't worry about the other guy. He says, 643 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 1: we don't even call him to tell him he ain't 644 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 1: got the other song to more. He says, I'll do that. 645 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 1: He says, I'm your divorce attorney. He says, I'll take 646 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: care of all that. He's all I want you to 647 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 1: do is cut jack and jail for me. He said, 648 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 1: you were about the music. I got the rest of it. 649 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: And he did, and we've cut like I just went 650 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: to a ninety of birthday party a month ago. And 651 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 1: he's a wonderful guy. Aretha Franklin says, the wonderful guy. 652 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: He is a wonderful guy in the music business. He's 653 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: the guy. Yeah you've heard that before probably, but he's 654 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 1: he's a mazing yeah. Okay there, Yeah, he's the man. 655 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 1: So he's he's a really good guy and he took 656 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: good care of me and the rest is history after that. 657 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: So then you got the money. Yeah, you got the 658 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: right lawyer, right, stuff going on and around, So you 659 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 1: got it. Okay, that's a big change for me because uh, 660 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: and we're skipping over this, so let's not. But when 661 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 1: I got to l A, I became one of the 662 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 1: top session guys. So what you got the pictures I'm 663 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: making just playing the guitar, not writing songs two d 664 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 1: a year in Yeah. Uh, A lot of people that's 665 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: that's gonna be tuning in may not even know what 666 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 1: a session player is computer exactly. But I'm the guy 667 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 1: who's playing on Seals and Cross, Tom Jones, Ingleberd Hunter 668 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 1: and the carpenters and guitar and all this stuff and 669 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: then then more and so for just playing the guitar 670 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 1: right in those days, I'm making like two hundred plus ran. 671 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 1: To give you some idea what it is. You could 672 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 1: buy a house in Trusdale for three fifty and I'm 673 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: making two hundreds and the houses is crazy. Okay, so 674 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 1: you got to cut a picture in your mind. If 675 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 1: I work for two years about that's how much money 676 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: that was back in It's like millions, you know, over 677 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: a million dollars just playing the guitar and nobody even 678 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: knows who I am. I anathing it. So I did that, 679 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,800 Speaker 1: and the big flip came. And I'll give you the numbers. 680 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 1: When I turned twenty three, that's the first time I 681 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 1: hit over a million. But I went to like two 682 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,799 Speaker 1: point two million a year, and that was a lot, 683 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 1: a lot of money back there. Yeah, and this in 684 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:27,919 Speaker 1: the seventies, Oh my god. So since it's a money show, 685 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 1: it's important to say that because if I knew what 686 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 1: I knew now, I would have kept all the real 687 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: to state about all the stuff. But I didn't know 688 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:36,880 Speaker 1: that much about stock. I should have been invested in that. 689 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 1: I could be worth a billion dollars. I could see 690 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:43,879 Speaker 1: the billion easy from then to now, but I didn't 691 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 1: know what I was doing. I'm buying cars and have 692 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 1: a good but I could have done the living too. 693 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 1: It's still done other stuff. I just didn't know about it. 694 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,840 Speaker 1: I come from Detroit, the inter city. Nobody in my 695 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: family even knew what a mortgage was, but you know 696 00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 1: sort of back then. Yeah, yeah, so you learned a 697 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 1: lot of stuff. Then you look back at the money 698 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:04,800 Speaker 1: and go. But I thought, that's a little bit of it. 699 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: That was a lot of money. I could have bought 700 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: the whole area. If I came to the valley, I 701 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: could have bought the whole block for that. Back then 702 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 1: your houses were like valley. Yeah. Yeah, that is amazing, 703 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 1: And that's the that's one thing I learned. It's true. Uh, 704 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 1: I regret every piece of real estate, and so I 705 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 1: regret just about a couple of just about every stock 706 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 1: I've ever sold. Would have held on everything. I wish 707 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 1: I would have held on everything. I could have been 708 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 1: super rich just holding on everything. Yeah, every time, I 709 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 1: thought every time I sold the property for three or 710 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 1: four times. But the one I bought in the next 711 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 1: near Lamont Dog, I think we paid me and my 712 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 1: best friend on We bought it when we were teenagers 713 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 1: for like a hundred and five grands. Dusty Springfield's house, 714 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 1: the Singer which we bought her house man. We sold 715 00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 1: that house for four hundred thirty grand we thought we robbed. Yeah, 716 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:05,439 Speaker 1: we call people three four million maybe more, maybe more, 717 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 1: you know, And so I wish I kept every house, 718 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,359 Speaker 1: you know. And so when you look at it now, 719 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 1: you said, man, I paid this, and you think I 720 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:13,759 Speaker 1: paid a little bit too much. I mean, they really 721 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,399 Speaker 1: bait me over a little bit later. Man, that's that's 722 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,799 Speaker 1: It's gonna be chump change. You know. It's just just 723 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 1: just the way the things. People told me that in 724 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: the day. But I mean I didn't really see it, 725 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 1: you know, to me. I mean I looked at the 726 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,399 Speaker 1: house on Sunset Plants and Drive. It was forty five ground. 727 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,279 Speaker 1: They ain't paying on forty five graph in the house? 728 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 1: Are you crazy? Now? You play for the parking space, 729 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 1: you had one of those sitting exactly. That's what I'm saying, 730 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 1: you know. I think I think that's also in our 731 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 1: in our community and amongst our people, with everything that's 732 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:44,920 Speaker 1: going on, with everything that we go through in life. 733 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 1: I think a lot of the younger guys, younger than 734 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,399 Speaker 1: even us, they don't even see that far. They don't 735 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:56,719 Speaker 1: see reaching sixty five, reaching seventy years old, still being 736 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 1: in good shape, still moving around, still living your life 737 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,920 Speaker 1: good at like I don't know what's going on tomorrow. Yeah, 738 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:04,799 Speaker 1: so I'm gonna go ahead and get this. Yeah, yeah 739 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 1: do that's not yeah right, which, like you said, you 740 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,759 Speaker 1: can do that, and still you can. You can you 741 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,759 Speaker 1: can put the money up, set yourself up, and still live. 742 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,759 Speaker 1: They still live. Yeah, absolutely, Because I think guys start 743 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 1: to think that they you know, they're gonna take away 744 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 1: from how much fun. It's not gonna take away from 745 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,439 Speaker 1: how much fun you got. And then at the same time, 746 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 1: nobody needs thirteen of the same car. Either. These guys 747 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 1: go out by thirteen show I thought I used to think. 748 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,240 Speaker 1: I used to think I needed four or five cars. 749 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 1: I had them. You know what I'm saying. I'm reading 750 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,400 Speaker 1: about guys who buy third They got way more than 751 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,359 Speaker 1: four or five cars, but they got thirteen of the 752 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 1: same car. I'd be like, why did you buy thirteen? 753 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 1: It's crazy. I was talking. I'm talking to uh, your nephew, 754 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 1: talking to Jordan, because he's, you know, he wants to 755 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: get a car. He's talking about I'm gonna hook him 756 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,479 Speaker 1: up with my guys, you know, to get in my car. 757 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,239 Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, what do you want to do. 758 00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,399 Speaker 1: He's like, well, you know, I just want to get 759 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 1: something nice. You know. I pull up and I said, 760 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,240 Speaker 1: I said, no, I said, I get it, I said, 761 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,120 Speaker 1: I said, but think about this, all the cool things 762 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,759 Speaker 1: you've been able to do up until this point, you've 763 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:16,080 Speaker 1: done without a car. You've done without this crazy thousand 764 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:20,799 Speaker 1: dollar overhead. Like when you walk into a place, your 765 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,719 Speaker 1: car don't go with you. Now, I said, you pull 766 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,280 Speaker 1: up in an uber, walk in there, and what happens? 767 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:31,840 Speaker 1: He said, I'm lit. I said, so let's just we 768 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,719 Speaker 1: gotta go crazy. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Get 769 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,399 Speaker 1: something cool, get something nice. I said, you're you're the bar. 770 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,360 Speaker 1: It's you. They want to see you. So so I 771 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 1: get I have one car. Now I've graduated to a point. 772 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 1: I've elevated my nice car. It's nice, don't get wrong, 773 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,239 Speaker 1: but it's one. I mean I come from. I come 774 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:06,920 Speaker 1: from landing in the back of the hatchback of a picture. Yeah, okay, 775 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 1: that's where I come from. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. 776 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,080 Speaker 1: You know, not getting the new pair of shoes until 777 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,640 Speaker 1: my foot was out of the shop, right, Yeah, you 778 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:20,000 Speaker 1: understanding that. So certain parts, certain things for me are triggers. Yeah, 779 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 1: you're making that for lost time. I'm making for lost time, baby. 780 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,880 Speaker 1: But let me tell you one car care what it was. 781 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,360 Speaker 1: One car is fine, And I'm gonna give you an example. 782 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,080 Speaker 1: This is what I tell my kids. Like back in 783 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,759 Speaker 1: the day. See, I lived in Beverly Hills. I think 784 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,400 Speaker 1: I was twenty four and I had and I was 785 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,239 Speaker 1: twenty four. I know it was because I had a 786 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 1: Rose Royce. I had a Rose Royce at a Porsche, 787 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,200 Speaker 1: at a g Hat, a Honda or something like that. 788 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,400 Speaker 1: And I'll never forget I made when I made the 789 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,560 Speaker 1: big money, I wanted to buy a Rose Royce convertible 790 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,960 Speaker 1: because Slide the family stone Head one on his album. 791 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,919 Speaker 1: Because I just gotta have Rose rog convertible. I gotta 792 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,160 Speaker 1: be gram Street and Rose RoCE convery. But it was 793 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,600 Speaker 1: important to me. Yeah, I'm like, what was so important 794 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,759 Speaker 1: about that? But it was important at the time I had. 795 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:06,040 Speaker 1: It was the driver, it was it was something give 796 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,399 Speaker 1: me as Corniche convertible. It's definitely a foss And I'll 797 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,080 Speaker 1: never get the car at that time was a hundred 798 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,480 Speaker 1: and seven thousand dollars. Now, so I made that first money. 799 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,239 Speaker 1: Jack and Joe the album Radio albums Head and I 800 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,000 Speaker 1: first made I first passed a million for the first time. 801 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,680 Speaker 1: I got the money, not my accounting lawyer. They're all 802 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,000 Speaker 1: giving it up. You gotta pay you all your bills, 803 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,160 Speaker 1: pay your manager, pay your account pay your lawyer, pay 804 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,400 Speaker 1: all the bills, pay your taxes, gotta pay your taxes. 805 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,080 Speaker 1: I paying all my taxes, and I had enough money left. 806 00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,120 Speaker 1: I got my mom and dad a house, and I 807 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,520 Speaker 1: upgraded my house, and and I had this money left. 808 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 1: And I'll never forget my lawyers said, man, he said, 809 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,240 Speaker 1: you like Slice so much. I got this whole catalog 810 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,319 Speaker 1: you can buy for four and fifty thousand dollars. I 811 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 1: was like, what am I doing with them old songs? 812 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,920 Speaker 1: You know, just being uneducated. I'm like, you know, yeah, 813 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,200 Speaker 1: I know what. I'm dance to the music every day. 814 00:40:56,239 --> 00:41:00,640 Speaker 1: People with a my heart, my heart, And so I said, well, 815 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,400 Speaker 1: I said, I gotta get my mama house. That's that. 816 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,400 Speaker 1: And then there was so much of money left. I 817 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,160 Speaker 1: wasn't thinking of finance. I just said, man, I gotta 818 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,360 Speaker 1: get my rolls Royce. Don't y'all mess up the budget 819 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,279 Speaker 1: with my rolls Royce, and I'll never get my lawyer 820 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 1: look at me, says, well, can't you use these songs. 821 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,279 Speaker 1: He says, you know, people, we were both young. He said, 822 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,680 Speaker 1: you know people are buying published and now they you know, 823 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,360 Speaker 1: maybe they some value to but it was so early 824 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,920 Speaker 1: nobody was doing that yet. You know, I said, man, 825 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:27,320 Speaker 1: skip that pubs and at Rose Royce convertable right, and 826 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,239 Speaker 1: and so in hindsight now I'm now we're gonna go 827 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:36,600 Speaker 1: in hindsight, which is always okay. So in hindsight, Frankie 828 00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,719 Speaker 1: Cronker WBLS was the biggest station in New York. I 829 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,120 Speaker 1: passed him on Las Airelea. He took my music off 830 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,640 Speaker 1: the air for a year and a half in New York. 831 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,000 Speaker 1: So I got no airplane in New York. Now, luckily 832 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:48,400 Speaker 1: for me, I was selling so many records. I was 833 00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,880 Speaker 1: gonna go and planet anyway. But I know I felt 834 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,959 Speaker 1: that missing. The New York said, what was that million? 835 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,759 Speaker 1: I don't know how many million to that lost back? 836 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,399 Speaker 1: I mean seventies dollars a million plus because I had 837 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,479 Speaker 1: no air in New York for a year and a half. 838 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,200 Speaker 1: Because he was pill Don Cornea saw me driving. I 839 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,960 Speaker 1: passed him, and they'll give you that look like so 840 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,440 Speaker 1: the Rolls Royce is making him feel this way Oh, 841 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,040 Speaker 1: they liked me until they saw me rolling down the 842 00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,000 Speaker 1: Rose Royce and they're in the Rose Royce. They looked 843 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,360 Speaker 1: at me like this. When I went frank Frankie Crocker, 844 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,120 Speaker 1: who I thought we were boys. I mean, I played 845 00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,000 Speaker 1: his concerce for for free and you know all the 846 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,440 Speaker 1: other stuff. Man, When he saw me pulling in the road, 847 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,480 Speaker 1: he looked at me like this. I knew I was 848 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,319 Speaker 1: in trouble when he when he looked at me like this, 849 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,840 Speaker 1: he folded his arms at the red light and like that, 850 00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,719 Speaker 1: you know, and just the way he looked at me, 851 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,200 Speaker 1: I knew I was in trouble. You know. I was like, 852 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,560 Speaker 1: I know, if Clive Davis called me and said, what 853 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,319 Speaker 1: did you do? Bang his wife or something? He said, 854 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,520 Speaker 1: I can't buy your music on the radio. He said, 855 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:46,759 Speaker 1: they won't even take the money to put you on 856 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,960 Speaker 1: the radio. He said, what did you do? And I went, 857 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,480 Speaker 1: I know, I know what happened. I saw it in 858 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,200 Speaker 1: his eyes when I drove, you know, and I'm like happy, 859 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,399 Speaker 1: like you're proud of me on having no No, that's 860 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,319 Speaker 1: the other that's the other side of it. So now 861 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,600 Speaker 1: let's let's talk about that. Like when just tell people 862 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,799 Speaker 1: don't buy to me cars. How much did the rules 863 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,480 Speaker 1: first cost? It did not cost me a hundred and 864 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,239 Speaker 1: seven thousand dollars. First of all, I didn't buy a 865 00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,439 Speaker 1: Slack Catalog that's worth a hundred million dollars just that. 866 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:23,720 Speaker 1: So the car cost me over a hundred million dollars. Okay, 867 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,680 Speaker 1: it's cost So you gotta think, you know, and I'm 868 00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,680 Speaker 1: trying to teach my kids, you know, give him take. 869 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,160 Speaker 1: I did really well. My best investment in all is 870 00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,880 Speaker 1: that little electric car that came out with Tesla. You know, 871 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,520 Speaker 1: I heard I heard about it that on the streets. Man. 872 00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,640 Speaker 1: I had a whole bunch of Tesla stock. Okay. And 873 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,560 Speaker 1: and when did you do that? Oh? I did in 874 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:45,360 Speaker 1: two thousand twelve a lot of it, like over a 875 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:50,680 Speaker 1: hundred thousand ships. Okay. So I took so some shares 876 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,799 Speaker 1: when it was on its way up because I wanted 877 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,120 Speaker 1: to build a studio. I want to build a house 878 00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,399 Speaker 1: next to my house, put a nice studio, and all 879 00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,919 Speaker 1: this to cast a couple of million dollars. That cup 880 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,360 Speaker 1: a million dollars of what I sold just to building 881 00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:06,440 Speaker 1: that costs me like million, right, So you look at 882 00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,240 Speaker 1: it back and go if he just waited, not build 883 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:14,120 Speaker 1: that put the bill there. Yeah, so everybody looks at 884 00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,439 Speaker 1: the different that's really nice, man, increase the value your house, 885 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,520 Speaker 1: but not twenty five millions and didn't increase the vout 886 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,080 Speaker 1: my house. But that costs that. You know, I sold 887 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:22,920 Speaker 1: something I did carefully. I didn't keep all of it. 888 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,360 Speaker 1: I sold it on the way I made it. You 889 00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,680 Speaker 1: made it reasonable, but it had I held just that 890 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:31,799 Speaker 1: people just that one portion another twenty five million. Now, 891 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:33,480 Speaker 1: so I tell my sons, I said, it's not that 892 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,120 Speaker 1: you And by the way, you can't count everything like that. 893 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:37,719 Speaker 1: Like you said, you get your one. You gotta have 894 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,560 Speaker 1: some fun you're working for. You gotta have something to 895 00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,680 Speaker 1: motivate you to go. He's a nice place. You gotta 896 00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:43,560 Speaker 1: have something to motivate you to go to the next step. 897 00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,960 Speaker 1: But just know that some of those extra little things. 898 00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,040 Speaker 1: Did you think it ain't a big they only spent 899 00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:53,800 Speaker 1: three hundred grand that right, you know what exactly it 900 00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,640 Speaker 1: could cost you. I mean I got examples of that 901 00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:58,919 Speaker 1: all day long. Cause you're a lot more than that. 902 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,960 Speaker 1: You think you can't to do this, then that went 903 00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:07,719 Speaker 1: there because even crazier part right, just aside from just 904 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,520 Speaker 1: like the money stuff right and its success and in 905 00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:18,200 Speaker 1: the waves of different times, right of your successes from 906 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:23,000 Speaker 1: the Motown days, Very White to Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, 907 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,160 Speaker 1: all those things. The way I found out about you 908 00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:31,680 Speaker 1: was missed a Telephone Manah right like you are? You 909 00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:36,480 Speaker 1: are generations of R and B music. No, it's a 910 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,680 Speaker 1: wealth of catalog and a wealth of stories and amazing things. 911 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,080 Speaker 1: And I remember the first time I heard that record, 912 00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,360 Speaker 1: and I remember what the video looked like, and and 913 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,680 Speaker 1: they on the street and the guys got the little 914 00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:52,640 Speaker 1: telephones and they man, you know what I'm saying, Like 915 00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,080 Speaker 1: I remember it vividly. For me, that's a screw up. 916 00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,800 Speaker 1: What yeah? I mean? Telephone Man is a song called 917 00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,200 Speaker 1: a Woman's Love just like you did? Remember the hit 918 00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,040 Speaker 1: on hand and one of these loves number one. I 919 00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,000 Speaker 1: don't know that. I don't know. You better listen to 920 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,000 Speaker 1: that because that was a huge record. And I didn't 921 00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,280 Speaker 1: like what I did with Telephone Man, which I wrote first, 922 00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,640 Speaker 1: so I changed the move. The music is almost the same. 923 00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,239 Speaker 1: I changed the words and wrote a Woman's Loves just 924 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,240 Speaker 1: like You with number one record pop everything I just smashed. 925 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,560 Speaker 1: Then the new edition heard Telephone man, which I should 926 00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,080 Speaker 1: have recorded myself, because you know, if you're the star 927 00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,359 Speaker 1: and you wrote it, it's much better than just giveing 928 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,799 Speaker 1: it to somebody else. Okay, so what I do that for? 929 00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,320 Speaker 1: So the new edition did it, and I was nervous 930 00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,520 Speaker 1: and scared, and even when I gave it to the 931 00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,719 Speaker 1: Joe Buzzby the record come, I got slid under the 932 00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,640 Speaker 1: door and ran out, you know, and he's like, this 933 00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,000 Speaker 1: is the second thing I said it is. I'm like, 934 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,280 Speaker 1: oh my god, You're like, I just missed. I misread 935 00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,160 Speaker 1: that song. I didn't think that was gonna be any 936 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,520 Speaker 1: didn't really think anything I told. I told the guys 937 00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,799 Speaker 1: that too. I said, man, you guys really delivered this 938 00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:57,440 Speaker 1: one because I just didn't think it was gonna do 939 00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,200 Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna do that, you know, And it 940 00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:05,000 Speaker 1: was a smash supersmanish that mistake. It's like, well, what 941 00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,160 Speaker 1: did not? That could have been another one? Another notch 942 00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,000 Speaker 1: in my bilt? You know what am I doing? Do 943 00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,080 Speaker 1: you think? Though? Okay? So here we go with that 944 00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,440 Speaker 1: from from the artist side and the writer's side, because 945 00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:18,200 Speaker 1: you know, Tank is fully immersed on both. But with me, 946 00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:22,680 Speaker 1: I just you know, I learned early. I forgot. I 947 00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,120 Speaker 1: don't know who even told me this, but they told me, 948 00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:29,000 Speaker 1: don't fall in love with the records as a songwriter. Right. 949 00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:30,960 Speaker 1: They were like, because you know your feelings that get hurt, 950 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,239 Speaker 1: your feelings that get hurt in this thing by you know, 951 00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,319 Speaker 1: you're giving away your children in a sense because you 952 00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:39,520 Speaker 1: know this this comes from us, right, and so for you, 953 00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,960 Speaker 1: how how was that process at times? Thinking? You know, 954 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,319 Speaker 1: I see you had a piece of it where you're like, well, 955 00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,440 Speaker 1: I should have kept it. But do you think you 956 00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,480 Speaker 1: at this point you're grown? Man? You probably what thirty 957 00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,760 Speaker 1: years old when you were man or somewhere in there? 958 00:47:56,600 --> 00:48:00,799 Speaker 1: Are you still nineteen? Then? Yes, it was I wrote Jack, 959 00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,560 Speaker 1: when I wrote Jack and Jill another song, So this 960 00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,640 Speaker 1: record don't come out for a minute, don't come out 961 00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:09,840 Speaker 1: for almost ten years. They don't come out till they're 962 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,920 Speaker 1: almost a team. And there the age I was when 963 00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,640 Speaker 1: I wrote it, Mr telephone man, it's ten years old 964 00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:19,279 Speaker 1: when it comes out. Yes, oh yes, and you would 965 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:20,920 Speaker 1: have been you would have been a kid singing it too, 966 00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:30,560 Speaker 1: because that's that was my question. Oh yeah, yeah, I 967 00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:32,560 Speaker 1: would have been the kids singing it. Yeah. We gotta 968 00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,520 Speaker 1: go in the computer and see if there's some ten 969 00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:38,960 Speaker 1: year old records. It would have been more relevant if 970 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,480 Speaker 1: I sang it, because cell phones were coming out when 971 00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,600 Speaker 1: they sing it, and it wasn't no party lines and stuff. 972 00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:46,520 Speaker 1: You know, some of the stuff in the song didn't 973 00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,640 Speaker 1: even exist. Sort of later, all that party line stuff 974 00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,320 Speaker 1: your your MoMA take. But that's the seventies. When you 975 00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,480 Speaker 1: pick up the phone and the neighbor down the street 976 00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,320 Speaker 1: is on the same line you on, that's what that means. 977 00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,080 Speaker 1: Just so you don't know, we say this ain't no, 978 00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,759 Speaker 1: I ain't got no already lined the party line is. 979 00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,360 Speaker 1: In the old days, you didn't get your own phone line. 980 00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:06,920 Speaker 1: You shared it with the two or three neighbors. Now. Man, 981 00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:08,200 Speaker 1: when I was a kid, I just thought that was 982 00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:13,160 Speaker 1: something that means it's going up, he's going out, it's 983 00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,000 Speaker 1: going up. But that's not what it means. There was 984 00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,600 Speaker 1: really a party line where you pick up the phone 985 00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,319 Speaker 1: and you be cussing out your neighbor like, hey man, 986 00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:21,480 Speaker 1: you've been on the phone for a long time. I 987 00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,680 Speaker 1: gotta call my friend, I gotta call you, gotta get 988 00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,520 Speaker 1: off the phone. And so nobody had their own lines 989 00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,600 Speaker 1: back in the early late sixties and early seventies when 990 00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,840 Speaker 1: we grew up. So when you hit party and everybody 991 00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,640 Speaker 1: knows what I'm talking about, who's older. So there's things 992 00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,640 Speaker 1: in that song were not a whole thing though. They 993 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,640 Speaker 1: ain't no miss the telephone. They ain't no telephone no 994 00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,239 Speaker 1: more so not the whole song is different, you know. 995 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,480 Speaker 1: But I mean they heard now I'm play I'm gonna 996 00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,480 Speaker 1: play that song for my kids later. Yeah, and there's 997 00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,160 Speaker 1: a kid on the m c A named Junior Tucker 998 00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:53,160 Speaker 1: who released it first. So the new edition heard Junior 999 00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,160 Speaker 1: Tucker sothing and he sounds almost like the new edition. 1000 00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,160 Speaker 1: They got that kind of frill scareboys. And they heard 1001 00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,040 Speaker 1: that and when they when they met me, they said, look, 1002 00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,759 Speaker 1: we want you to cut it this. I'll give them 1003 00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,600 Speaker 1: credit for They said, don't update it, don't make it 1004 00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,279 Speaker 1: sound like the new stuff. Cut it like you would 1005 00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:21,160 Speaker 1: have cut it ten years. We sold the record twice, 1006 00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,480 Speaker 1: so yeah, dude, they said, cut it like you would have. 1007 00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:26,480 Speaker 1: In fact, they wanted to track from another kid that 1008 00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:28,279 Speaker 1: can we had that. I'll make it better than that, 1009 00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,400 Speaker 1: they said. We don't make it too better, just make 1010 00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,800 Speaker 1: we want that old We need that feel, so we 1011 00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:34,840 Speaker 1: get that old field. We got our steps and everything 1012 00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,080 Speaker 1: we do to it, and we flew a jet down 1013 00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,520 Speaker 1: to the Bahamas and saw them performing and all that 1014 00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,480 Speaker 1: kind of stuff hung out and so I cut it 1015 00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,640 Speaker 1: just like I would have cut it if I was there. 1016 00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,279 Speaker 1: And the song was the song the nine years old 1017 00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:54,359 Speaker 1: for it came out, they released it. I'm stuck now. 1018 00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,879 Speaker 1: This is this is this is amazing because the other 1019 00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:01,799 Speaker 1: thing is that we haven't even gotten gotten to get 1020 00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:05,360 Speaker 1: to it. So when I was in preschool, there's a 1021 00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:09,160 Speaker 1: picture of me and I have a shirt on that 1022 00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:19,080 Speaker 1: says I ain't fraid of know. I have a mouthful 1023 00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,840 Speaker 1: of silver teeth and a T shirt that said I 1024 00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:27,040 Speaker 1: Ain't afraid of no ghost and the only And that's 1025 00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:31,960 Speaker 1: the thing, like for black people, right, for black people especially, 1026 00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:37,880 Speaker 1: Like Yes, Ghostbusters is a great movie. It's about your records. 1027 00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:42,800 Speaker 1: It is about your song. And I'm sure you've talked 1028 00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,440 Speaker 1: about this song a trillion times over and over, but 1029 00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:50,560 Speaker 1: while you're here, I just want to say, I'm sure 1030 00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:55,280 Speaker 1: he wants to say thank you, thank you for that record. 1031 00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:59,319 Speaker 1: That record was, that record was my childhood with that 1032 00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:03,520 Speaker 1: record almost didn't happen at all. And why is that? 1033 00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,120 Speaker 1: Because I didn't think that was any kind of music 1034 00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,120 Speaker 1: that I should be cutting. Really yeah, and it wasn't 1035 00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:13,239 Speaker 1: supposed to be no record that the guy, the guy 1036 00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,280 Speaker 1: that no, this is better than that, the guy who 1037 00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,360 Speaker 1: worked with me on Barry White. When I said I 1038 00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,440 Speaker 1: did the songs and I didn't get the publish was 1039 00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,319 Speaker 1: Barry White was always published by Aaron Schroder Music. And 1040 00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,080 Speaker 1: the guy who was there was Gary Lemil, who's this 1041 00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,879 Speaker 1: this contact person. So we worked together in the very 1042 00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,360 Speaker 1: white days, and then I started dating years later, I 1043 00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:38,280 Speaker 1: started dating back to this kind of stuff, dating his secretary, 1044 00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,400 Speaker 1: Gary Secord. So that hooked me and Gary back up, 1045 00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,040 Speaker 1: and he thought I was the right guy to write 1046 00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,319 Speaker 1: a song for this film. But it wasn't gonna be 1047 00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,760 Speaker 1: a song, which because they need like a twenty seconds 1048 00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:52,160 Speaker 1: or something over the library scene, and the guy wanted 1049 00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,480 Speaker 1: to chant Ghostbusters in it. So he let me. They 1050 00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:56,480 Speaker 1: let me see the film and I went okay. So 1051 00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,080 Speaker 1: I met with the director and the director started telling 1052 00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:00,560 Speaker 1: about how he wanted to be need to go and 1053 00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,000 Speaker 1: all that kind of like that name what they might be. 1054 00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,560 Speaker 1: You know, it's like a rapper. That ain't what I do. 1055 00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:07,560 Speaker 1: That's just not and my sons are always that ain't 1056 00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,359 Speaker 1: what they're doing. I tell me you better watch that. 1057 00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:14,799 Speaker 1: That ain't what you right do it, you know, and 1058 00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,560 Speaker 1: nothing defines that for me better and Ghostbusters. I mean, 1059 00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,160 Speaker 1: if you listen to my whole catalog and music and 1060 00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,560 Speaker 1: you were familiar with it, you say, what, he's never 1061 00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,560 Speaker 1: gonna write that. I mean, that has nothing to do 1062 00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:26,680 Speaker 1: with that. Ain't his groove. That ain't where he comes from. 1063 00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,600 Speaker 1: He's funking that. Just think that. And so you know, 1064 00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,759 Speaker 1: the director told me what he wanted, and then they 1065 00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,040 Speaker 1: threw the what I'll call a nice curveball. It's it's 1066 00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,480 Speaker 1: only gonna be twenty seconds. He has write us a 1067 00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:42,080 Speaker 1: minute of music, and you've got three days, and if 1068 00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,359 Speaker 1: we don't like it, you keep the fifth. We're gonna 1069 00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:48,440 Speaker 1: get a fifty grand, you know. Now that's in nineteen 1070 00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,120 Speaker 1: eighty three or eighty four. That's a lot of money. 1071 00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:55,880 Speaker 1: Fifty grand give me that, but three about this fifty grand? 1072 00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,120 Speaker 1: Then that's like four grand. Now you know, you're gonna 1073 00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,680 Speaker 1: get some music for me in three days. Gonna get something, 1074 00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,040 Speaker 1: But I don't care what it's gonna get something. So 1075 00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:06,359 Speaker 1: I listened to what the director said, and I came 1076 00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:07,920 Speaker 1: up with a piece of music. I didn't think it 1077 00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:09,360 Speaker 1: was bad. I didn't think it was nothing right at 1078 00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:10,920 Speaker 1: home about. But I don't think it was bad, you know. 1079 00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,520 Speaker 1: And uh, the voices all that, I ain't for you 1080 00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:14,960 Speaker 1: to go to you So that was supposed to be 1081 00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,200 Speaker 1: the background voices and all that stuff. The director said, 1082 00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,440 Speaker 1: I like the way you're saying it. I said, yeah, 1083 00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,200 Speaker 1: but what am I saying that? There's nothing on it. 1084 00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:23,400 Speaker 1: I'm just saying I ain't for you to go. I'm 1085 00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:24,960 Speaker 1: gonna get some girls this thing that. He was like, no, 1086 00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:26,239 Speaker 1: I don't want a girls singing that. I like the 1087 00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:27,960 Speaker 1: way you're saying it, you know. And then he was 1088 00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:31,600 Speaker 1: like he had already said at the meeting, the music 1089 00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:33,759 Speaker 1: is not that important, but the movies coming out in 1090 00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,000 Speaker 1: a few weeks, we're in a hurry. Just give us 1091 00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,200 Speaker 1: twenty seconds of music and things. I only cut. I 1092 00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,279 Speaker 1: only cut like a minute of it. I mean there's 1093 00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,920 Speaker 1: there's really I cut one verse in one chorus. That's it. 1094 00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,120 Speaker 1: And so they heard that, and then he directed liked 1095 00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:49,160 Speaker 1: it a little bits, and so my lawyer drew up 1096 00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,880 Speaker 1: a big contract looked like the book, and he said, man, 1097 00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:53,680 Speaker 1: did you read what I wrote over the weekend. I said, 1098 00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:55,320 Speaker 1: I don't read more than one page, just things like 1099 00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:59,200 Speaker 1: twenty pages. What are you talking about long? And he says, 1100 00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,920 Speaker 1: if anything happens other than them using it in the 1101 00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:06,799 Speaker 1: twenty seconds, it's gonna be good. That's what he says. 1102 00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:08,760 Speaker 1: It's gonna be good. But the first thing that happened 1103 00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:12,160 Speaker 1: is the director called Bank says, man, uh, can you 1104 00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,440 Speaker 1: make it longer? He says, maybe we should make a record. 1105 00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,680 Speaker 1: I'm like record, They can't make no record to me 1106 00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:18,399 Speaker 1: singing about the team and to it go something. I'm 1107 00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,240 Speaker 1: the guy in the ladies. Man, what are you talking about? 1108 00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,120 Speaker 1: I mean, what are you talking about? Yeah, I'm the man? 1109 00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,440 Speaker 1: What are you doing? I don't do that feeling that. 1110 00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,279 Speaker 1: I'm not feeling that, you know. So we're tossing this 1111 00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,880 Speaker 1: around and Clive Davis didn't really like it in the beginning, 1112 00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,239 Speaker 1: and so we're tossing all this stuff around, and so 1113 00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:36,960 Speaker 1: finally I come up with idea. I said, well, you know, 1114 00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,359 Speaker 1: you got Dan Accord them guys, And I said, maybe 1115 00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,880 Speaker 1: if you get the Saturday Night Live guys in the video, 1116 00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:45,400 Speaker 1: we can curve it, make it go somewhere else. And 1117 00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,640 Speaker 1: he took that and put everybody. He put everybody in 1118 00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:50,799 Speaker 1: the video, you know, and I was like, man, this 1119 00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:52,600 Speaker 1: is this is crazy. You know. Then all of a 1120 00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,120 Speaker 1: sudden he says, you know, we should make it a record, 1121 00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:58,920 Speaker 1: you know record. I really got nervous, give me like 1122 00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:02,520 Speaker 1: longer and yeah, that's standing there. You know. So when 1123 00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:05,840 Speaker 1: I was done, and we were really nervous, right, the 1124 00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,600 Speaker 1: record company was nervous. I was nervous, And I'm playing 1125 00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:12,319 Speaker 1: this song back. Who doesn't sound like anything I've ever 1126 00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,680 Speaker 1: done before, I mean nothing. I'm like playing the song 1127 00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,239 Speaker 1: day like, Man, I don't know if they're gonna think 1128 00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:20,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna sell out or you know, you know. And 1129 00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,000 Speaker 1: when most people heard it from the beginning, they were like, 1130 00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,040 Speaker 1: they ain't know Ray Pocket Jr. They ain't what that 1131 00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:25,719 Speaker 1: ain't what we used to hear it. You know, that 1132 00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,640 Speaker 1: ain't it. And that song came out and just went 1133 00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:31,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I'll never forget. It's the only record I 1134 00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,879 Speaker 1: had in my life. Would a head of promotion called 1135 00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,720 Speaker 1: me five days after the record came out and he says, 1136 00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,480 Speaker 1: I'm done with your record. I've closed it out. It's 1137 00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:47,640 Speaker 1: on every station five days, five days. Something strange. He 1138 00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:51,600 Speaker 1: had all the P one stations, He had all the stations, 1139 00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:56,200 Speaker 1: anything that was available, anything it was available, everything, anything 1140 00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,759 Speaker 1: that was available to play it on was done in 1141 00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,359 Speaker 1: five days. He says, I'm done with your record. He said, 1142 00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:03,520 Speaker 1: we'll just my guys will just monitor. He said, but 1143 00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,439 Speaker 1: it's closed out, and I went, what does that mean? 1144 00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,439 Speaker 1: He says, there are no more places to play your music? 1145 00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:13,440 Speaker 1: And he just went like through the roof and the 1146 00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,320 Speaker 1: first thing we knew where it was big super big. 1147 00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,400 Speaker 1: Not only was that, but Clive called me up. He says, Man, 1148 00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:21,880 Speaker 1: we weren't going to release the record till the movie 1149 00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:25,280 Speaker 1: comes out, like Overseas, which takes nine months. He says, 1150 00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,800 Speaker 1: we've exported for a half night records in the first 1151 00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,520 Speaker 1: couple of weeks. He says, they don't know what you're 1152 00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:32,880 Speaker 1: saying over there. He says, why are they buying the record? 1153 00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,000 Speaker 1: They don't know what you're saying. I said, heck if 1154 00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:36,680 Speaker 1: I know. If I knew that I cut some are 1155 00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:44,760 Speaker 1: something four and a half, that tagline, yeah, that and 1156 00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:48,400 Speaker 1: that tagline. What was interesting. What was interested is I'm 1157 00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:50,720 Speaker 1: like a kid who does his homework late over the 1158 00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:52,960 Speaker 1: weekend Sunday night. Now you got turned in Monday morning. 1159 00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:55,680 Speaker 1: I had the music because he told me what he 1160 00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:59,080 Speaker 1: wanted for the music. But the the part that was 1161 00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,000 Speaker 1: gonna be in genius that I hadn't figured out yet 1162 00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:03,480 Speaker 1: was the hard part. How do you put go the 1163 00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,760 Speaker 1: word Ghostbusters to a song? It was impossible. It didn't 1164 00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,320 Speaker 1: sing right about how I sang it. No matter what 1165 00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:11,880 Speaker 1: I did, it sounded terrible. You couldn't sing it. And 1166 00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,760 Speaker 1: that's why that's why nobody else had it. Nobody else 1167 00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,360 Speaker 1: had it either, because he hired Lindsay Buggy, he had 1168 00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,040 Speaker 1: a hold bunch of famous people to do it before me. 1169 00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:22,440 Speaker 1: I was the first call. They've been working on this 1170 00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,640 Speaker 1: for a whole year, and they spent a fortune, and 1171 00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,360 Speaker 1: he hated every song. But I looked at it, and 1172 00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,959 Speaker 1: I'll never forget what it occurred to me. I knew 1173 00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:34,520 Speaker 1: right away to me, the Ghostbusters were soldiers, so the 1174 00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,040 Speaker 1: music had to be stiff. It had to be military time, 1175 00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:40,440 Speaker 1: so I knew it was military sound on then I 1176 00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:43,240 Speaker 1: saw a commercial on TV about I think it was 1177 00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:45,000 Speaker 1: rotary and one of these kind of things where they 1178 00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:48,760 Speaker 1: have the guy's insect guys or whatever. Just great, and 1179 00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,480 Speaker 1: the part of the Ghostbusters movie had the phone number. Brother, 1180 00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,480 Speaker 1: I said, that's it. I gotta go goldmer pound on 1181 00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:57,840 Speaker 1: these bad boys sound off too, So it's a up 1182 00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:02,200 Speaker 1: to three fourths on who you're gonna called about? You know, 1183 00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:06,200 Speaker 1: like a sound off. Even in the back, I go, 1184 00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,240 Speaker 1: I can't hear you louder, you know. So it's a 1185 00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:12,360 Speaker 1: military song. So when bands playing in the bar and 1186 00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:14,320 Speaker 1: they try to get cool, it's not a cool song. 1187 00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:17,200 Speaker 1: It's got to be a military song. It's gotta be stiff, 1188 00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,520 Speaker 1: and it's gotta be corny, and so you give it 1189 00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,280 Speaker 1: that military feel. And then I figured out I can 1190 00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,560 Speaker 1: never say the words ghostbusters and singing. I gotta say 1191 00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:30,160 Speaker 1: who are you gonna come? And let the crowd delivered ghostbusters. Yeah, 1192 00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:34,080 Speaker 1: And that's all for us as kids. That's exactly if 1193 00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,880 Speaker 1: you couldn't wait to yea yeah yeah. But all that's 1194 00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,440 Speaker 1: by accident, you know. So then it came out and 1195 00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:43,439 Speaker 1: so that record, now, that is my style. That defines me. Now, 1196 00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:45,520 Speaker 1: you know, whether I like it or not don't matter. 1197 00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:47,640 Speaker 1: That's it, you know. And they all the kids were happy, 1198 00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:49,400 Speaker 1: and the kids now are still happy. By the way. 1199 00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,000 Speaker 1: You get some kids that are seven years old now 1200 00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,360 Speaker 1: and and you can have a bunch of us rock 1201 00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:57,680 Speaker 1: stars or whatever, older guys. They'd be looking like me 1202 00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:01,360 Speaker 1: and Stevie And then you say rape Parker. Did you 1203 01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:03,080 Speaker 1: say that's the guy that did? Who you gonna call? 1204 01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:05,600 Speaker 1: All that time? They wanted to come hug you, hug 1205 01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:07,880 Speaker 1: your legs down here, take a picture into you like 1206 01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:11,480 Speaker 1: can we just watched We just watched the New Ones. 1207 01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:14,200 Speaker 1: And so the kids hear that song and it's just 1208 01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:16,960 Speaker 1: something in there. They just go crazy. I mean, it works, 1209 01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:19,800 Speaker 1: you know, And so that was that was the one. 1210 01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:23,959 Speaker 1: You know, who would have thought that was the one? Amazing? Yeah, 1211 01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,440 Speaker 1: I said that all the time. I never called him, 1212 01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:29,040 Speaker 1: And what's funny about that calling. I was only here 1213 01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:30,920 Speaker 1: to get the phone call and do all the rest 1214 01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,040 Speaker 1: of it because I was doing that song, Mr Telephone Man, 1215 01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:36,480 Speaker 1: because my parents were sick, so I was going I 1216 01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:38,919 Speaker 1: was staying in Detroit most of the time. I hadn't 1217 01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:40,480 Speaker 1: been in l A. I hadn't been in my studio, 1218 01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:42,920 Speaker 1: had been doing stuff. I'm thinking, Yeah, my career is over. 1219 01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:44,560 Speaker 1: I gotta take care of my mom and dad. And 1220 01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:47,280 Speaker 1: the good thing I saved my money. I'm gonna be okay. 1221 01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:49,440 Speaker 1: So I came out to l a just to do 1222 01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:52,280 Speaker 1: the new edition. And while I was doing a new 1223 01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:55,040 Speaker 1: edition across the Spot Street and Spargo, there was that 1224 01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:57,080 Speaker 1: black poster with the red they put in the red 1225 01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:59,720 Speaker 1: circle and like, the heck is that? Then my phone 1226 01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:02,680 Speaker 1: ring this garrety mail. Can you come down to Warner Brothers? 1227 01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:06,720 Speaker 1: And how and how old are you at this point? 1228 01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:10,240 Speaker 1: And You're saying to yourself, my career is old. Well, yeah, 1229 01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:12,080 Speaker 1: because my parents were sick and they're telling me to 1230 01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:13,640 Speaker 1: cut a new record. I ain't no item for no 1231 01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:15,800 Speaker 1: new records, ain't cutting no new anything. I'm going to 1232 01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:17,920 Speaker 1: stay with my mom. And they were like, yeah, go 1233 01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:20,000 Speaker 1: see your parents for the weekend, come back, come we 1234 01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:22,560 Speaker 1: in black folks, Wenna do that. I'm gonna stay. I 1235 01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:24,720 Speaker 1: want to stay with my parents. Yeah, this is this 1236 01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:26,880 Speaker 1: is it's two or three years. I'm gonna stay, you know. 1237 01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:31,040 Speaker 1: And so yeah, I'm thinking things might be a little 1238 01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:33,680 Speaker 1: over and and God's getting ready to get me the 1239 01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:36,720 Speaker 1: biggest blessing of all and two blessings at the same 1240 01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,320 Speaker 1: week or two weeks. First, you come out and cut 1241 01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:41,040 Speaker 1: the song in the new edition that you didn't like 1242 01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:47,680 Speaker 1: that you roam and the song and then already Ghostbusters 1243 01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:50,959 Speaker 1: the next weekend. I'm done. That was only two weeks. 1244 01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:54,600 Speaker 1: I worked all year those two man. Shout out to 1245 01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:59,720 Speaker 1: those two, shut up because those are amazing. Yeah. So 1246 01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:03,960 Speaker 1: when I come to l A, I had been here 1247 01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:08,320 Speaker 1: maybe six months. I meet you. I don't even know 1248 01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:13,400 Speaker 1: if you remember this. I'm gonna give your down Damon Thomas. 1249 01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:19,680 Speaker 1: At the time, he he doesn't even mention the Ghostbusters thing. 1250 01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:22,680 Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, you know this, he owns American Studios, 1251 01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:28,240 Speaker 1: right or Mayory I can studios Ray Yeah h they 1252 01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:34,560 Speaker 1: started you early with the raise everything he's putting every 1253 01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:40,760 Speaker 1: radio Mayor Ray can't. Yes. So and I was for 1254 01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:43,800 Speaker 1: me before he even said that anything about Ghostbusters. I'm 1255 01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,720 Speaker 1: eighteen years eighteen years old at the time, I didn't 1256 01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:50,680 Speaker 1: know of any black men owning studio. And I've been 1257 01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,040 Speaker 1: a kid of music and love music, and I just 1258 01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:55,400 Speaker 1: never knew of anyone. I've been to your studio and 1259 01:02:55,400 --> 01:03:00,800 Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, he owns he owns the studio? This right, 1260 01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:03,320 Speaker 1: This is what you're thinking when you're eighteen years old. 1261 01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:07,280 Speaker 1: And then he's like, oh yeah, and it's way Parker Jr. 1262 01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:13,480 Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, Parker, wait, goals bust. So when we 1263 01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:18,480 Speaker 1: had Damon's house and we start talking and I think 1264 01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:20,960 Speaker 1: I maybe I think that. I think I played you 1265 01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:25,560 Speaker 1: what became Tyrese's record I Like Them Girls, which was 1266 01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:31,200 Speaker 1: the first Underdog record ever, and I played you the 1267 01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:34,960 Speaker 1: record and he would like, I like you. I remember this, 1268 01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:37,919 Speaker 1: I'll never forget you. Were like like, I like you, man, 1269 01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:41,959 Speaker 1: good head on your shoulders. Good look kid, You're gonna 1270 01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,840 Speaker 1: make some money in this game. He's like, I'm gonna 1271 01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:47,360 Speaker 1: give you some advice. I'm thinking you're about to just 1272 01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:50,840 Speaker 1: start running on running down. Somebody said you like, get 1273 01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:56,160 Speaker 1: it a sector me and I was like, I told 1274 01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:59,720 Speaker 1: David the same thing. I'm thinking that. I'm thinking in 1275 01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:05,080 Speaker 1: my I can't even spell this sect is he talking about? 1276 01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:07,560 Speaker 1: But if breaking Parker JIU isn't here telling me that, 1277 01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:09,200 Speaker 1: I need to say, I'm gonna find out what it 1278 01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:12,439 Speaker 1: was set. And then you told me the story which 1279 01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:14,080 Speaker 1: is long and we won't go into that, but you 1280 01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:18,640 Speaker 1: told me a story about how getting INVOSECTI. He saved 1281 01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:21,560 Speaker 1: you millions of dollars. Yeah, and I did it too late. 1282 01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:25,080 Speaker 1: I should have done it a couple more years earlier. 1283 01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:27,560 Speaker 1: I would have been involved, man. And that's what you 1284 01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:32,400 Speaker 1: told me. I can look at him and see he's 1285 01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:36,040 Speaker 1: gonna get in trouble when it's younger. You can look 1286 01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:37,920 Speaker 1: at it. That's what I said, good looking guy, I 1287 01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:39,920 Speaker 1: can see where you hit it. I've been there. I 1288 01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:45,080 Speaker 1: just don't want to touch the Lord's work. I think 1289 01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:47,240 Speaker 1: if he meant for us to have a voalve to 1290 01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:50,160 Speaker 1: cut it on and off, he would have provided it. 1291 01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:52,640 Speaker 1: And I agree with you, but there's also people who 1292 01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:54,960 Speaker 1: made rubbers man. This is somebody who didn't know what 1293 01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:59,280 Speaker 1: I'm talking about, never heard of it. I agree with you, 1294 01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:01,280 Speaker 1: But he also meant for us to do a whole 1295 01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:04,680 Speaker 1: bunch of other things that would have prevented that too, 1296 01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:07,880 Speaker 1: that we didn't do. Think we're already cheating in the 1297 01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:10,560 Speaker 1: first place. I think you just gotta be responsible. You 1298 01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:12,600 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Your your hip, your hip game. 1299 01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:15,080 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You gotta be responsible with 1300 01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:17,120 Speaker 1: your hips. You gotta get out of it. You gotta 1301 01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:20,280 Speaker 1: pull that piece out. Sometimes you're getting lost in the sauce. 1302 01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:24,800 Speaker 1: Man this and man, I know I know how many 1303 01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:29,200 Speaker 1: kids you got, five got I got to I was 1304 01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:34,320 Speaker 1: in six. But I'm down to hold on, hold on, hold, 1305 01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:40,320 Speaker 1: on segue, how do you go from six to four DNA? 1306 01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:50,760 Speaker 1: Thank you God for DNA A lot on your kid 1307 01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:54,920 Speaker 1: is not my kid, not my fun. People don't realize. 1308 01:05:54,960 --> 01:06:00,160 Speaker 1: Michael Jackson was talking about that early about sometimes what 1309 01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:03,320 Speaker 1: they try to do to you, the two extra kids 1310 01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:07,560 Speaker 1: on you. Yeah, yes, and back then you couldn't swab 1311 01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:09,240 Speaker 1: them out. I mean, you know you had to like 1312 01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:13,040 Speaker 1: take care of the kids for three years. How much 1313 01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:18,280 Speaker 1: that cost before you could before you Yes, yes, mama's baby, 1314 01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:22,600 Speaker 1: daddy's maybe three years, three years, three years because that's 1315 01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:26,320 Speaker 1: the DNA wasn't that developed yet. When first of all, 1316 01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:30,560 Speaker 1: I'm lucky to have DNA before then you just paid period. 1317 01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:33,920 Speaker 1: So whoever, whoever they just said, is the daddy, that's what. 1318 01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:36,560 Speaker 1: That's what. If you took a blood test and you 1319 01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:39,080 Speaker 1: were close, you would have if you were close, if 1320 01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:42,720 Speaker 1: you were close close, not nocent either, I'm talking about 1321 01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:44,920 Speaker 1: just if the real blood type was the same. You 1322 01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:49,280 Speaker 1: happen to be Black's right, Yeah, you happen to be 1323 01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:51,120 Speaker 1: the Only way you're gonna escape is if it's a 1324 01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:54,360 Speaker 1: Chinese kid comes out and you know, and in three years, 1325 01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:57,680 Speaker 1: how much you think you paid, Oh, hundreds of thousands 1326 01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:00,200 Speaker 1: of dollars. But first of all, you got the initial right, 1327 01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:05,600 Speaker 1: and you notice you don't, you're not it's not her lawyer, 1328 01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:10,080 Speaker 1: it's your son's lawyer. So since it's claimed to be 1329 01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:14,240 Speaker 1: your son, you have to pay for your lawyer, your accountant, 1330 01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:18,280 Speaker 1: his lawyer, his accountant. Of course he's in the cradle 1331 01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:20,960 Speaker 1: and she's constructing it. She's in charge of it. But 1332 01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:24,040 Speaker 1: you gotta pay for all four. So you're down a 1333 01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:26,200 Speaker 1: couple of hundred grand back in the early eighties. But 1334 01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:29,760 Speaker 1: that's before anything happens. Down a couple of rolls Royces. 1335 01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:31,720 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, a couple of rolls Royce being 1336 01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:34,640 Speaker 1: because they weren't that they were cheaper than they were. 1337 01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:38,920 Speaker 1: That's two rolls royces. You're down four rolls royces before 1338 01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:44,160 Speaker 1: you get how much you gotta pay man four roys. 1339 01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:48,720 Speaker 1: And then one day you get a phone call that says, no, 1340 01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:50,720 Speaker 1: you don't get a phone call. You gotta wait a 1341 01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:53,720 Speaker 1: few years. Then you gotta say everybody's you gotta hire 1342 01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:56,360 Speaker 1: the lawyers again, because you gotta get her and the 1343 01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:58,400 Speaker 1: kid to go to the house bill and you take 1344 01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:01,200 Speaker 1: the tests that ain't free either. You gotta get that. 1345 01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:04,000 Speaker 1: So you gotta go back again. Man, I hope you're 1346 01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:11,720 Speaker 1: paying attention. Yeah, I'm not getting overseting. The Lord designed 1347 01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:15,200 Speaker 1: me a certain way. If I didn't get y'all, I 1348 01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:17,680 Speaker 1: didn't get one. He's now married and he's taking an 1349 01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:21,080 Speaker 1: oath to do right. I'm as long as he does row. 1350 01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:23,360 Speaker 1: But if you're on a straight narrow that means you 1351 01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:29,080 Speaker 1: won't be on TMZ and pull out kim piece of hood. 1352 01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:32,800 Speaker 1: But anything other than that. I told my kids, by 1353 01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:35,920 Speaker 1: the way, my two younger kids for me getting the reversal, 1354 01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:40,040 Speaker 1: because you put some up. Oh no, no, no, I 1355 01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:41,960 Speaker 1: just gotta reverse. No, you get a reversal, you can 1356 01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:44,360 Speaker 1: do you can go right back to it. You don't 1357 01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:47,280 Speaker 1: putting up for I put I put some up because 1358 01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:49,800 Speaker 1: I was scared. You know, I'm wanted my immortality thing. 1359 01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:52,639 Speaker 1: But I didn't use that. I just gotta be versa, 1360 01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:57,080 Speaker 1: got married right back to where I was. Yeah. So, 1361 01:08:57,080 --> 01:09:04,960 Speaker 1: so guys, you don't lose, You don't lose all your bullets. 1362 01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:08,439 Speaker 1: It's not over. I'm just talking about putting in suspend 1363 01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:12,679 Speaker 1: putting in suspended animation for a little one. Save yourself 1364 01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:15,479 Speaker 1: a hundred million dollars or whatever you're gonna lose and 1365 01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:20,040 Speaker 1: just take you be responsible, you know. So we got 1366 01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:22,600 Speaker 1: a part of this show. We got a part of 1367 01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:24,800 Speaker 1: this show. It's a very important part of this show. 1368 01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:28,599 Speaker 1: This is gonna be good because you didn't. You didn't 1369 01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:32,040 Speaker 1: gave us so many bars, so many bars that are 1370 01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:34,439 Speaker 1: attached to people, right and wet. We were able to 1371 01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:38,320 Speaker 1: speak to names and you know, and speak freely. I 1372 01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:40,679 Speaker 1: need you to give us we got okay, before before 1373 01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:43,560 Speaker 1: I tell you that the name of the show, the 1374 01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:45,280 Speaker 1: name of the name of the portion of the show 1375 01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:50,400 Speaker 1: it's called. I ain't saying no names. So the story 1376 01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:55,680 Speaker 1: can be either funny or fucked up or both. But 1377 01:09:57,040 --> 01:10:00,280 Speaker 1: you can't say the name of the person in gonna 1378 01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:03,200 Speaker 1: be trying to figure out a guilty party. Yeah, he's 1379 01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:05,519 Speaker 1: a lot of people. They're gonna know the guilty party. 1380 01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:11,439 Speaker 1: I mean the streets out what the streets. I got 1381 01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:14,880 Speaker 1: a problem with that. So give us get off, give 1382 01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:16,639 Speaker 1: us a good one, Give us give us one, give 1383 01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:19,200 Speaker 1: us one. Give us. You mean I got to create 1384 01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:22,599 Speaker 1: the story. You have to create. But I'm telling your story. 1385 01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:25,120 Speaker 1: But I can't say the name. Can't say any name. 1386 01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:33,840 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, like, which one do we go here? Yeah? Well, 1387 01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:40,000 Speaker 1: I can think of it huge record executive, and she's 1388 01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:49,120 Speaker 1: not gonna say anything because she will be busted. Hey 1389 01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:53,800 Speaker 1: White and I didn't do it, but you know, she 1390 01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:55,720 Speaker 1: used to call me and wanted me to take her 1391 01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:58,439 Speaker 1: here and take her there, And I'm thinking, holy crap, 1392 01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:01,760 Speaker 1: I didn't know at first. I thought she was sincere 1393 01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:03,680 Speaker 1: and just wanted me to go somewhere with her. But 1394 01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:09,200 Speaker 1: I find like the opening of his clothing store, why 1395 01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:12,200 Speaker 1: we ain't gonna go to movies? What is going in 1396 01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:14,719 Speaker 1: the wrong direction? And if you know anything about girls, 1397 01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:17,360 Speaker 1: you can't really you know, guys, hey baby, give me 1398 01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:20,720 Speaker 1: a number. No, okay, smack, you're done. We used to 1399 01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:22,559 Speaker 1: that and we get to know all the time. But 1400 01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:27,720 Speaker 1: you don't really tell him no high prep high you know. 1401 01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:37,840 Speaker 1: You don't really tell unimportant, high end, high level. A 1402 01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:43,200 Speaker 1: woman know that a couple of syllables with you, you know, 1403 01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:45,880 Speaker 1: But I'm saying you don't really, So you got to 1404 01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:48,960 Speaker 1: like go you got to think about this, yes, because 1405 01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:51,439 Speaker 1: if you tell you know, women ain't really they don't 1406 01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:54,479 Speaker 1: really get into no. By the time they decided you're 1407 01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:56,840 Speaker 1: the one, You're lucky to get it, and you should 1408 01:11:56,840 --> 01:12:00,720 Speaker 1: be appreciative and thank your lucky stars. And so you 1409 01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:03,120 Speaker 1: can't just say no, I don't do that, because that 1410 01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:06,479 Speaker 1: could kill the whole thing too, you know, and this 1411 01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:10,240 Speaker 1: person could bury you easily. Yeah. And she even said, 1412 01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:12,920 Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm the one here forget him. He does 1413 01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:18,400 Speaker 1: what I you know, I'm here. I turned in yeah, yeah, yeah. 1414 01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:20,599 Speaker 1: And so I'm sitting here like, whole crap, I'm about 1415 01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:23,320 Speaker 1: to lose my whole career. I'm seeing how do I 1416 01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:25,519 Speaker 1: not do this? Because I said that there's no happy 1417 01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:27,680 Speaker 1: ending to this story. I mean, it only ends with 1418 01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:31,840 Speaker 1: me getting screwed like one way another. Yeah, So I 1419 01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:34,160 Speaker 1: had to. I had to wheeze on my way out 1420 01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:36,719 Speaker 1: of there. And I told her my religious beliefs and 1421 01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:39,040 Speaker 1: how much I really wanted to be with her and 1422 01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:42,479 Speaker 1: now that, but it was against my religious convictions Muhammad 1423 01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:44,800 Speaker 1: Ali style. You know, I said, it's nothing wrong with 1424 01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:46,439 Speaker 1: you name. I mean, I'm ready to go. I mean, 1425 01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:48,280 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I wish I could. Oh. I mean, 1426 01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:51,480 Speaker 1: I just you know, so I made her feel very 1427 01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:54,680 Speaker 1: wanted and fed her ego the way it needs to 1428 01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:57,040 Speaker 1: be fair. But I did not do the deed, because 1429 01:12:57,479 --> 01:12:59,560 Speaker 1: once you do the d that's like sign the contract 1430 01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:01,840 Speaker 1: that you don't you read the contract, you know, a 1431 01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:04,599 Speaker 1: million pages young. So I didn't do that. But if 1432 01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:08,599 Speaker 1: that was the dangerous one, I remember thinking, my life's 1433 01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:11,120 Speaker 1: gonna be over. How did that before? How is this 1434 01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:15,640 Speaker 1: gonna Did you ever in your mind think, well, if 1435 01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:19,720 Speaker 1: I knock it down, knock it down. If I knock 1436 01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:21,519 Speaker 1: it down the way I'm just supposed to knock you down, 1437 01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:25,360 Speaker 1: I'd be dead completely. Didn't. Yeah, that's the other thing too. 1438 01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:27,840 Speaker 1: This was one of those situations where if I took 1439 01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:29,840 Speaker 1: it down the right way, then I'd be a percent 1440 01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:32,519 Speaker 1: dead because by time, you know, if it went that way, 1441 01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:34,200 Speaker 1: then the husband found I me, I just he was 1442 01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:35,800 Speaker 1: in the whole another group I'd be I'll be out 1443 01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:38,120 Speaker 1: of here. That just big. We just they put him 1444 01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:45,000 Speaker 1: in the desert with the rest of the back part. Yea. 1445 01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:48,320 Speaker 1: He went to dinner with me, shook my head, came 1446 01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:50,479 Speaker 1: to my house dinner, and he's doing my put him 1447 01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:55,120 Speaker 1: into that Maryland and you don't mess what nobody's wife exactly. Yeah. 1448 01:13:55,760 --> 01:14:00,360 Speaker 1: Control shot out to religious beliefs. I think, well, I said, 1449 01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:05,680 Speaker 1: at least it's always to Lord, don't want me to 1450 01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:07,920 Speaker 1: do this, that's right, I want to do. I want 1451 01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:10,639 Speaker 1: to do it, I promise you and the Devil want 1452 01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:13,439 Speaker 1: to do in the Devil. I'm not gonna listen with him. 1453 01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:16,480 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go with it. Confirmed blowing your backhouse 1454 01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:19,200 Speaker 1: with the Lord and it ain't fair to you. But 1455 01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:21,880 Speaker 1: I don't want to be unfair to you. What kind 1456 01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:24,400 Speaker 1: of person would I be if I treated you like that? Oh? 1457 01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:27,880 Speaker 1: My god? R and b R and be the game 1458 01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:30,880 Speaker 1: he had, He had a top ten record called the 1459 01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:40,400 Speaker 1: Other Woman. So I happened right then. Listen to my brother, Sir, 1460 01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:46,920 Speaker 1: Sir Ray Parker Jr. We Um, I've been I've been 1461 01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:50,800 Speaker 1: messed up. I've been messed up. I'm a talker, but 1462 01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:55,719 Speaker 1: I have been in class taking notes from this session. 1463 01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:59,840 Speaker 1: You being able to sit here with you, Um, the 1464 01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:03,360 Speaker 1: is the best. This is fun. I'm having a good time. 1465 01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:08,600 Speaker 1: We we we truly honor you and appreciate you on 1466 01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:11,960 Speaker 1: a level that you probably will never understand, because we 1467 01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:15,479 Speaker 1: are here because of you and this platform, all these 1468 01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:18,360 Speaker 1: like you see, all of this, it's because of you. 1469 01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:23,920 Speaker 1: So we thank you wholeheartedly. Forgive your thanks. And can 1470 01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:28,040 Speaker 1: I give a little message to yourself to y'all, don't 1471 01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:31,080 Speaker 1: get crazy with this stuff, but get your a little 1472 01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:34,120 Speaker 1: real estate. We see all that Amazon and Apple all it, 1473 01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:35,679 Speaker 1: so if you gotta buy all of it, just get 1474 01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:37,439 Speaker 1: you a little bit of all that stuff and just 1475 01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:39,760 Speaker 1: put us like, get some cryptocurrencies, even though I don't 1476 01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:43,080 Speaker 1: understand why you cannot buy this with this currency, thinking 1477 01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:45,720 Speaker 1: about that, Just get a little bit of everything. You 1478 01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:47,479 Speaker 1: really don't need a lot of it, but just have 1479 01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:49,559 Speaker 1: a little bit of everything because if one of them 1480 01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:52,400 Speaker 1: thinks takes off, and one will surely go, if you 1481 01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:54,840 Speaker 1: have a bunch of it, you that could solve all 1482 01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:57,280 Speaker 1: your problems. Just that. And if you want to get 1483 01:15:57,280 --> 01:15:59,880 Speaker 1: more sophisticated that that's a whole another conversation. But just 1484 01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:01,839 Speaker 1: to make sure you have a little bit of everything. 1485 01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:04,840 Speaker 1: I wish i'd done more of that. Just a little 1486 01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:07,439 Speaker 1: bit of everything, you know, and when that takes off, man, 1487 01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:09,760 Speaker 1: you'd be shocked, you know. And that's the money I'm 1488 01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:12,000 Speaker 1: talking about. Is when you get your first porsh you 1489 01:16:12,040 --> 01:16:14,160 Speaker 1: don't have to buy the second and third one. Take 1490 01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:20,480 Speaker 1: that money. But yeah, that is a lesson from sir 1491 01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:25,880 Speaker 1: Ray Parker. Ray Parker, I'm tanking and this has been 1492 01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:31,160 Speaker 1: the R and B money Lise. 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