WEBVTT - Not A Lot To Be Optimistic About:  Sarah Westwood Talks to A&G

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<v Speaker 1>Much to talk about politically, as there always is, we

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<v Speaker 1>thought we'd have our old friends, Sarah Westwood on. She

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<v Speaker 1>was previously a White House reporter for the CNN. She's

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<v Speaker 1>currently an investigative reporter with the Washington Examiner. We've been

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<v Speaker 1>talking to her for years. Sarah west would welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>the Armstrong and Getty Show. How are you. I'm great,

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for having me. I'm kind of interested in following

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<v Speaker 1>how everybody is treating the economic news. It's just come

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<v Speaker 1>out because obviously economic news becomes political news very quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>But CNN has been a neutral to positive on it.

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<v Speaker 1>The Wall Street Journal was pretty positive. The New York

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<v Speaker 1>Times I just read from, was very grim on the

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<v Speaker 1>very same numbers that don't get excited. This still means

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<v Speaker 1>a recession is coming. Was the New York Times version

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<v Speaker 1>of it, which I thought was kind of interesting. But

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<v Speaker 1>I suppose Biden will be talking to about it at

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<v Speaker 1>some point today. You have any thoughts on the economic news, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that there's not a lot of reason for optimism.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, whatever boost that the bind administration would potentially

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<v Speaker 1>be able to get out of this politically, um, I

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<v Speaker 1>think is mitigated by people's big exerience. You know, they

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<v Speaker 1>can't they can't afford uh, you know, the same things

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<v Speaker 1>that they could two years ago. They're real income is

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<v Speaker 1>therefore dropping, and the bind administration with when they have

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<v Speaker 1>played up good economic news and when they have focused

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<v Speaker 1>on their economic agenda, it's actually turned people off because

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<v Speaker 1>they want to hear Democrats and Republicans, but they want

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<v Speaker 1>to hear the president speaking to the problems that they're

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<v Speaker 1>feeling and taking it seriously. And when he cherry picks

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<v Speaker 1>good numbers that suggestings are better than they are, I

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<v Speaker 1>think that that can backfire. Do know it does on

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<v Speaker 1>me if I if I get gas and go to

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<v Speaker 1>the grocery store, any rosie talk about the economy doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>make me happy anyway. UM, I just brought that up

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<v Speaker 1>because it was kind of breaking news. You called Fetterman.

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<v Speaker 1>We played a bunch of clips, just like everybody did,

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<v Speaker 1>of the Democratic candidate there for the Senate in Pennsylvania

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<v Speaker 1>who had the stroke. You called Fetterman's performance a disaster.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a strong word. I think it's inappropriate word for

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<v Speaker 1>we saw on Tuesday. I mean, it was at times,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, quite frankly painful to watch. John Cutterman struggled

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<v Speaker 1>to keep up with the pace of the debate, to

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<v Speaker 1>understand the questions, to remember his own policy positions, at

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<v Speaker 1>least two of which he bungled. I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously there was a strategy behind waiting this long to

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<v Speaker 1>have the debate with your the Sederman campaign, right, they

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to sort of bank as many early votes as

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<v Speaker 1>they possibly could before they had it. More than half

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<v Speaker 1>a million Pennsylvanians have voted already, in the vast majority

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<v Speaker 1>of those are Democrats, so you know, potentially the damage

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<v Speaker 1>from the debate could be somewhat limited. But yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>to the extent that there were questions about his health

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<v Speaker 1>before the debate, I think they were answered in a

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<v Speaker 1>way that's really unflattering for the Sederman campaign. Much how

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<v Speaker 1>much do you think it would how much do you

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<v Speaker 1>think it would affect his ability to be a U

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<v Speaker 1>S Senator? Um, I don't want more brain addled people

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<v Speaker 1>in the Senate. But is he worse off than Diane

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<v Speaker 1>finds Stein or Jesse helms Back was back in the

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<v Speaker 1>day people like that? I mean, the problem is that

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<v Speaker 1>part of being an effective senator is being able to,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, speak on the Senate floor, to negotiate with

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<v Speaker 1>your colleagues, to advocate for your state, uh in the media,

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<v Speaker 1>and those are all things that he can't really do capable.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it is fair for voters to wonder if

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<v Speaker 1>he would be uh an effective advocate for Pennsylvania, if

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<v Speaker 1>he would struggle so much on all of the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the public facing parts of the job. And you know

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<v Speaker 1>this this attempts by the media to shield him from

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<v Speaker 1>criticism because he's had a health problem. Obviously, everyone who

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<v Speaker 1>watched him felt sympathy for him and had you know,

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<v Speaker 1>empathy and could relate to their own relatives having health challenges.

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<v Speaker 1>But elections are about determining fitness for office, and so

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<v Speaker 1>it's a completely fair question to ask whether he's physically

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<v Speaker 1>capable of doing the job. Yeah, that that NBC re

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<v Speaker 1>order that said he struggled to make small talk before

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<v Speaker 1>the interview, and you know, she got beat up for

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<v Speaker 1>that pretty bad by the left leaning media for saying

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<v Speaker 1>something so awful about him. But from watching c Span

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<v Speaker 1>over the years, it looks like there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>quick little conversations that happen among senators. They're like when

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<v Speaker 1>they're voting and all that sort of stuff, and he

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't be able to do that, right, I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's an important part of doing the job, beyond just

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<v Speaker 1>the facts that you have to represent the state to

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<v Speaker 1>the public and sort of forums that he struggled with.

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<v Speaker 1>But but yeah, deliberating with your colleagues, being able to

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<v Speaker 1>strike deals, being able to participate in committee hearings, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>closed door and public. You know, those are all things

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<v Speaker 1>that are required of a senator. That would be very

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<v Speaker 1>difficult given his recovery. That's not to say that he

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<v Speaker 1>could never do the job years in the future, but

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to be expected to do it come January.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, again, voters who may not have been

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<v Speaker 1>tuned into the race, but who are seeing clips of

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<v Speaker 1>the debate and watching coverage of it, maybe cluing in

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<v Speaker 1>on it, just how bad is health problems are for

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<v Speaker 1>the first time they have Obviously many Pennsylvania voters not

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<v Speaker 1>been following the whole able ism debate and the naval

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<v Speaker 1>gazing media story about the NBC reporter who made that

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<v Speaker 1>quick about but they're certainly tuned into his health problems now.

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<v Speaker 1>So you have your ear to the ground there. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard a couple of national reporters say pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>two days after the election, So we'll have the election,

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<v Speaker 1>will have the results the next day. Um, some of them,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of them, and uh, but then we're on

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<v Speaker 1>to quickly and the conversations are going to be start

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<v Speaker 1>to leak out about Joe Biden's ability to finish out

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<v Speaker 1>his term, whether or not Kamala Harris should be the candidate,

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<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah. Do you think that's the case that

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<v Speaker 1>that we're going to go? Presidential politics are really quick?

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<v Speaker 1>I do. That's typically how it happens, right, and if,

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<v Speaker 1>as expected, Republican take one or both chambers of Congress,

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<v Speaker 1>then Joe Biden has sort of the ability to announce

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<v Speaker 1>and open up the Democratic primary field that he's not

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<v Speaker 1>going to run because it won't matter if he gives

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<v Speaker 1>up some of his political capital by becoming a lame

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<v Speaker 1>duck president Republicans control Congress and he can't get anything done.

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<v Speaker 1>I do think you'll you'll see that announcement sooner rather

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<v Speaker 1>than later, because Democrats don't have a natural next successor

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<v Speaker 1>and they really need that time to one out. We

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<v Speaker 1>wait a second, here, sir, you seem to be you

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<v Speaker 1>seem to be implying that in your mind or in

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<v Speaker 1>your world of people you talk to, that's a done deal.

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<v Speaker 1>He's going to do that, you think. I think there's

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<v Speaker 1>an expectation that really, okay, more likely than not. Yeah, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>and and and so the next step would be he

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<v Speaker 1>opens up the field. So when he makes some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of speech races, I just think it would be good

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<v Speaker 1>for the country to have a good, you know, vigorous

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<v Speaker 1>debate about who should be the next president, kind of

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<v Speaker 1>overlooking hiss president. You know, it's sort of a something

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<v Speaker 1>that hasn't happened in a long time. So it's really

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<v Speaker 1>hard to see exactly what would be the most politically

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<v Speaker 1>strategic way to do that. If I was the Democratic advisor,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, I think that the for the good

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<v Speaker 1>of the party and for someone who is in his

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<v Speaker 1>twilight years in it would announced that he's not running.

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<v Speaker 1>As the other Republican candidates start to launch their campaigns,

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<v Speaker 1>which you'll start to see next summer, right summer three fall,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll see these candidates who have been sort of preparing

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<v Speaker 1>start to to formally jump into the race. That would

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<v Speaker 1>be a time for Joe Biden to sort of step

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<v Speaker 1>aside and let Democrats do the same thing. If he

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<v Speaker 1>knows he's not going to run and and continues to

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<v Speaker 1>maintain the pretense that he is, he sort of freezes

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<v Speaker 1>the field and he lets Republicans be out there getting

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<v Speaker 1>all the oxygen pushing their message and not allowing Democrats

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<v Speaker 1>to do the same thing. That's really setting up a

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<v Speaker 1>smooth trend into another Democratic president. The most bipartisan consensus

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<v Speaker 1>we've had on anything in so many years is the

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<v Speaker 1>war in Ukraine. Is it starting to fractory? You had

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<v Speaker 1>thirty progressive Democrats this week send a letter to Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Biden saying, hey, let's tap the brakes on this whole

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<v Speaker 1>Ukraine thing. You had Kevin McCarthy last week saying no

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<v Speaker 1>blank check. Now the Democrat progressives pulled their letter. McCarthy,

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<v Speaker 1>according to CNN yesterday, is behind the scenes trying to

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<v Speaker 1>reassure people that no, no, No, will continue to fund

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<v Speaker 1>re Ukraine. How how bipartisan is the support still for

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<v Speaker 1>Ukraine at this point? I think in the mainstream it's

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<v Speaker 1>still relatively bipartisan, But there is, and there has been,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, of Conservative House members who think that sending

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<v Speaker 1>so much aid to Ukraine and seemed so little return

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<v Speaker 1>is not worth it. And in a Republican Congress, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a group like the House Freedom Caucus, for example, of

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<v Speaker 1>a voting block of conservative member would wield a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of influence on that issue. They could put pressure on

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<v Speaker 1>a on a then speaker, Kevin McCarthy not to continue

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<v Speaker 1>the funding. Um, it's it's certainly a populist position right

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<v Speaker 1>to say that that funding should be directed within the

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<v Speaker 1>United States when people are struggling, instead of being sent

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<v Speaker 1>to Ukraine. So I do think in a Republican House

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<v Speaker 1>you would see pressure on a speaker not to proceed

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<v Speaker 1>with more aid. How certain is it? Everybody, including me,

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<v Speaker 1>talks about Kevin McCarthy being the speakers If it's a

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<v Speaker 1>done deal? Is it pretty much a done deal? We

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<v Speaker 1>actually have known Kevin McCarthy since he was an assemblyman

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<v Speaker 1>from the Baker's Field area when we were all much

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<v Speaker 1>much younger. He'll be the most powerful person I've ever

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<v Speaker 1>actually known if he become a speaker. But is he

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty much a done deal? You know? It seems

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<v Speaker 1>that way there's no natural challenger. The Freedom Cocus would

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<v Speaker 1>be you know, has historically been the only real threat

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<v Speaker 1>to the ascendant speaker, you know, Majority Leader and um

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<v Speaker 1>and they have not threatened to withhold support. They threw

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<v Speaker 1>vaguely said if some of their demands about process and

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<v Speaker 1>committee assignments aren't met, they would consider it. But then

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<v Speaker 1>who would they back. Right, There's no one right now

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<v Speaker 1>in the conference who has as broad of an appeal

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<v Speaker 1>as Kevin McCarthy. So yeah, I think it's it's pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much a lock, but anything can happen, right. Sarah Westwood

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<v Speaker 1>is the investigative reporter for the Washington Examiner Era reporter,

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<v Speaker 1>Do you make predictions or is that something uncool for

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<v Speaker 1>for reporters? You know, I've been horrifically burned by making

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<v Speaker 1>I said, and what do you know what year I

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<v Speaker 1>said that about eating my truck, Michael, It was a

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<v Speaker 1>long long time ago. I think it was like two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand twelve. Yeah, I think so. For some reason, But

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<v Speaker 1>so Mitt Romney went to Trump Tower to basically get

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump's approval to, you know, be the nominee or

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<v Speaker 1>something like that, and I just I thought it was ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>Why why do people care what Donald Trump thinks? Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump is never going to be anything in the Republican Party.

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<v Speaker 1>Blah blah blah blah. I said, I'll eat my truck

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<v Speaker 1>if he's ever the nominee of the Republican Party. And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you follow the newspapers, but how

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<v Speaker 1>that turned out anyway, So yeah, that's a pretty bad

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<v Speaker 1>burning people regularly, almost every day somebody says, hey, to

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<v Speaker 1>eat your truck yet, you know, like in the grocery store,

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<v Speaker 1>parking lot or something. So yeah, I understand making predictions

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<v Speaker 1>like act burn. But it's Trump again. Trump gonna announce

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<v Speaker 1>he's running or not. Do you think that is the

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<v Speaker 1>hardest question to answer. I think most Republicans, pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>all of them in Washington are really hoping he does not.

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<v Speaker 1>I think his base is so eroded by the way

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<v Speaker 1>he's behaved since that, you know, I I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if that path to the nomination would still be there,

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<v Speaker 1>especially when there's some really exciting populist alternatives for conservatives

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<v Speaker 1>like um A, Rhonda Santists. And keep in mind, we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to have another crop of Republican stars come out

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<v Speaker 1>of this election. I mean, Obama ran for president successfully,

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<v Speaker 1>her winning, and you know, the mid terms right before,

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<v Speaker 1>so you're gonna have a good point all over the country.

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<v Speaker 1>Who could who could emerge. I'm amazed that that that

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<v Speaker 1>that Trump won't pivot away from the election being stolen.

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<v Speaker 1>Carry Lake, who was seen as a Trump protegee, she's

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<v Speaker 1>she gets asked that on a debate stage, she immediately

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<v Speaker 1>pivots the economy or CRT in schools. If Trump did

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing, I think he'd get elected president. But

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<v Speaker 1>he wants to stay with the election. That's right, And

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's frustrating for a lot of Republicans. And

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<v Speaker 1>you've seen that there's a path forward, uh, for for

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<v Speaker 1>people who sort of distanced themselves from Trump and rejects

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<v Speaker 1>the election language, like Brian Kemp in Georgia for example,

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<v Speaker 1>And so you know, I don't know that that is

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<v Speaker 1>the future of the party anymore. UM like talking to

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<v Speaker 1>you about politics, Sarah Westwood, thanks for coming on, appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for having me