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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. I'm kind of interested in following

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Speaker 1: he's behaved since that, you know, I I don't know

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Speaker 1: especially when there's some really exciting populist alternatives for conservatives

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Speaker 1: like um A, Rhonda Santists. And keep in mind, we're

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Speaker 1: of this election. I mean, Obama ran for president successfully,

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Speaker 1: Who could who could emerge. I'm amazed that that that

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Speaker 1: that Trump won't pivot away from the election being stolen.

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Speaker 1: Carry Lake, who was seen as a Trump protegee, she's

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Speaker 1: pivots the economy or CRT in schools. If Trump did

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Speaker 1: the same thing, I think he'd get elected president. But

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Speaker 1: he wants to stay with the election. That's right, And

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Speaker 1: you've seen that there's a path forward, uh, for for

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Speaker 1: people who sort of distanced themselves from Trump and rejects

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Speaker 1: the election language, like Brian Kemp in Georgia for example,

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Speaker 1: the future of the party anymore. UM like talking to

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Speaker 1: you about politics, Sarah Westwood, thanks for coming on, appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me