1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: Music Saved Me. I'm Lyn Hoffman and welcome to the 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: Music Save Me podcast. Now. If you like this show, 3 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:09,040 Speaker 1: you're going to love another show from Buzznight Media Productions 4 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:11,559 Speaker 1: that I happen to host called Comedy Saved Me, and 5 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: it's available wherever you get your podcasts. So I hope 6 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: you check that out today. 7 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 2: Though. 8 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: I am so happy you're here because we have a 9 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 1: guest who is a JUNO nominated singer songwriter from one 10 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: of my most favorite places, British Columbia, Vancouver, whose music 11 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: has quietly found its way into the hearts of listeners 12 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: around the world more than one hundred and eighty million 13 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: streams and counting. That's just incredible. He's known for his 14 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: warm vocals, his minimalist production, and a rare willingness to 15 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 1: go inward, which we talk about a lot on the show. 16 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: Luca Fagale makes music that doesn't rush you. His latest 17 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: album is called Challenger and it's on Network and it's 18 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: a meditation on who we are and what we've inherited 19 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: and what we choose to carry forward with us. Believe me, 20 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: you're not and I want to miss this one. Luca 21 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: Fagalle is next on Music Save Me, Don't go Anywhere. 22 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: Music Saved Me. Well, Luca, welcome to Music Save Me. 23 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 1: It's so nice to have you here, especially after the 24 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: morning that I've had. It's almost like I get to 25 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: have you all to myself, but I'm sharing you with 26 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: the audience at the same time when I really needed 27 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: to be brought down from all the challenges of the morning. 28 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: So thank you. 29 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 2: Oh sure, it's my pleasure to be here. Then thank 30 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 2: you well. 31 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: The album is called Challenger, but it feels less like 32 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: a challenge issued sort of outward and more like one 33 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: turned inward. And I love this. What were you challenging 34 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: in yourself when you made this record? 35 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 2: You know a whole lot of things. I think as 36 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 2: I get older, I've started to really sort of look 37 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 2: at the things that have shaped me, not the people 38 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 2: and the experiences who have made me who I've become, 39 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 2: and wonder a lot about what to carry forward, you know, 40 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 2: Like you said in the intro, I am making a 41 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 2: lot about what comes in the next step and who 42 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 2: do I want to become in every different chapter of 43 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 2: my life. And I feel like I have the time 44 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 2: and the space, especially in this beautiful, bizarre career that 45 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 2: I've been lucky enough to continue on with I have 46 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 2: the time in the space to consider a lot of 47 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 2: things about myself and who I am, and the time 48 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 2: and space in my relationships and friendships, and the trust 49 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 2: in that to be able to sort of look at 50 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 2: myself honestly and wonder about how to carry forward the 51 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 2: best parts of myself and leave behind a whole lot. 52 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: You've talked a lot about unpacking generational beliefs from what 53 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: I've read and inherited sort of patterns, Which generational beliefs 54 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:49,239 Speaker 1: inherited patterns we all. I mean, it's coming at us 55 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: heavy and hard every single day and from so many angles. 56 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: Was there a moment or a song or a conversation 57 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: where you realize you were care something that wasn't actually yours? 58 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 2: Does that make sense? Yeah, it makes it makes sense 59 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 2: for sure. You know, I don't know if there was 60 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 2: one specific moment, just sort of a just a just 61 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 2: a general feeling of especially as this world changes so much, 62 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 2: and as our sort of understandings of who we are 63 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 2: and sort of our place in this world. I think 64 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 2: I share this with with a lot of people, where 65 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 2: it's it's sort of a new era of self exploration 66 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 2: and sort of understanding our own you know, challenges with 67 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 2: whether it's mental health or you know, any of the 68 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 2: things that we we've been recognizing in this modern world 69 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 2: that no one is perfectly saying, you know, no one 70 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 2: is perfectly happy or peaceful in any moment. And so 71 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 2: I think there's a there seems to be a new 72 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 2: and deeper understanding of our own humanity in this in 73 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 2: this sort of era of where we are, and I 74 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 2: think it's challenging but a really special thing. And so 75 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 2: I think in that just starting to again trust myself 76 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 2: to be honest with myself in how I'm how I'm 77 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 2: doing day to day, how I you know, how things fluctuate, 78 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 2: and if that's if the the swings are getting, you know, 79 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 2: further away from each other or closer together. And I 80 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 2: think it's just been sort of a steady hum of 81 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 2: wanting to wanting to find more peace, wanting to find 82 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 2: more trust and joy and happiness and courage, you know, 83 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 2: all all the beautiful things that humans are capable of. 84 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 2: I think it's it's just it's been a steady sort 85 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 2: of hum in my life for as long as I 86 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 2: can remember. It feels like quite an opportunity to have 87 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 2: the time to explore that. I know that as life 88 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 2: gets busy or not, everyone does, and so trying to 89 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 2: sort of honor that time in my own way. 90 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: Ain't that the truth? That is? Yeah, you know a 91 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 1: lot of men are raised with this strong and silent script. 92 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 1: You know it. You seem to have consciously stepped away 93 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 1: from that. What did that cost you and what did 94 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: it also give you at the same time? 95 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, working on it for sure. 96 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: I haven't work in progress. 97 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, as we all are, which is you 98 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 2: know again, something that feels feels very new. It's confusing, 99 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 2: you know, it's a confusing thing. I grew up, you know, 100 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 2: as as competitive as anyone else in this wanting to 101 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 2: be strong and assertive and powerful and you know all 102 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 2: the things that I think of that young young men 103 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 2: grow up kind of aspiring to be the I think 104 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 2: the male. The male figures in my life as I 105 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 2: was growing up were oh yeah, quite silent. And if 106 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 2: there was something you're dealing with, you swallow it and 107 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 2: you deal with it yourself. And I work on that 108 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 2: every day now. There's always something that comes up where 109 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 2: I'm trying to sort of not even unlearned, but just 110 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 2: sort of just just learn, you know, learn what serves 111 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 2: me in this time now, and also you know, learn 112 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 2: what sort of what version of masculinity I want to embody, 113 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 2: because I think it can be a lot of things. 114 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 2: What gets lost, I don't know. I think maybe just 115 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 2: the the default mechanism gets lost. It gets a little 116 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 2: less easy to fall into patterns, which you know can 117 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 2: be comforting sometimes, you know, the thought of I know 118 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 2: who I am, I know how I react in this way, 119 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 2: it feels a bit more difficult to sort of have 120 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 2: to have to sort of monitor oneself in that way 121 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 2: and you know, be sort of the best version of 122 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 2: a friend to yourself, which is someone who says it 123 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 2: is that really the way that you want to be, 124 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 2: and sort of being again the sort of closest version 125 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:38,919 Speaker 2: of a friend or a family member who can be 126 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 2: really honest with oneself, and so trying to move towards 127 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 2: that while also having a lot of patience for myself, 128 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 2: which both things are tough. And I feel like, yeah, 129 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 2: I navigate through every day. I know that so many 130 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 2: of us do, especially you know, I don't really count 131 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 2: myself as a young man anymore, but I feel like 132 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 2: young men especially now are dealing with so much, so 133 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,919 Speaker 2: much in the meat and social media, and you know, 134 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, everyone knows the answer to everything, 135 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 2: and it sort of seems to be broadcast that there 136 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 2: is only one way to be a man these days, 137 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 2: and I think that that's less true than ever, and 138 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 2: I think that so much needs to be you know, 139 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 2: the ven diagram is getting sort of closer together about 140 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 2: just sort of what it means to be a human being. 141 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: And that's a great way of putting in You're right, well. 142 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 2: Sure, I mean, you know, I think that we're all 143 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 2: we're all just trying to understand ourselves and understand each other. 144 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 2: And I think that wherever there's patients, I think there 145 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 2: will be learning and trying to be patient. I guess 146 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 2: that's the thesis to all that. 147 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: Wow, that's beautifully said. And you touched on so many 148 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: things there, and I was going to go there with 149 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: you as the social media aspect of it, And I mean, 150 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: how do you find that place in yourself when you 151 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: need it? For example, I told you when you first 152 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: called in, and I had never met you before, but 153 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: I had a morning where there was one hundred million 154 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: things that came at me that were clearly unexpected, and 155 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: I'm trying to, you know, get myself into a space 156 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: where I can actually slow down. And your music has 157 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: this quality of slowing things down, Luca, almost forcing the 158 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: listener to be present. And I got to tell you, 159 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: I've been listening to your music leading up to this interview, 160 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: but this morning I needed your music and it actually 161 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: pulled me right to a place where I needed to 162 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: be to talk to you, of all people, which was 163 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: really kind of cool too. On the other side of. 164 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 2: What beautiful thing is that? 165 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 1: Is that a philosophy? Sure? I mean it's true. Is 166 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: it a philosophy you live by or something that you 167 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: discovered through the creative process of being slowing down and 168 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: you know, just really taking stock of yourself on an 169 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: inward trajectory. 170 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, and another beautiful question. And I think you're right. 171 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 2: I think I discovered it through the creative process. I 172 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 2: think that I think a lot of things in my life. 173 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 2: I are quite intentional, quite meticulous, you know, which I 174 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 2: frustrate myself sometimes with the how slow things can go. 175 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 2: But you know, it comes down to things. Everything matters 176 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 2: to me a lot, everything, and especially in music, you know, 177 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 2: in my life. There are a few things that matter 178 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 2: to me so much, and there's a lot that that 179 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:15,439 Speaker 2: that I that I you know, a lot of a 180 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 2: lot of things that I try not to pay it, 181 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 2: you know, give attention to, but there you know, anything 182 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 2: anything in regarding human beings. I everything matters to me 183 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 2: so much, and so especially now to know that my 184 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 2: you know that there is an audience for my music, 185 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:30,839 Speaker 2: that there will be someone who listens to everything I do. 186 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 2: The meticulousness that I kind of approach music with and 187 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 2: the intentionality is is sort of a way to honor 188 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 2: that that knowledge of that attention, that I know that 189 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 2: there's there's a zero a zero percent chance that no 190 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 2: one will listen to what I create. At this point, 191 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 2: I try to keep that in mind when I'm making something, 192 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 2: and I I also understand that can swing too far 193 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 2: in a direction of thinking too much about the audience 194 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 2: while you're creating something. I'm trying to find the balance 195 00:09:55,880 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 2: between really being uh and intentional with what I make 196 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 2: and in order to only create something that provides something 197 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 2: of value to this world. I never want to just 198 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 2: add to the noise of everything, because there's so much, 199 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 2: so much of that and so I feel as though 200 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:17,839 Speaker 2: if I have something that I want to say, that 201 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 2: I take the time to sort of get that right 202 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 2: and to say it in a way that's going to 203 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 2: serve something in this world. So I think that's where 204 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 2: it all comes from. 205 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: What made you this way? 206 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 2: Luca? 207 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: You're such an anomaly. You're so thoughtful, You're so you know, 208 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:37,079 Speaker 1: when you were just describing like water on a duck's back, 209 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: like letting things go. We have a hard time letting 210 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: things go, even the minute show of things that is 211 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: so unimportant in the grand scheme of life. Was that 212 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: intentional later in life or did you grow up that way? 213 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 2: That's a good question. I think it's come out of necessity. 214 00:10:55,679 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 2: I think I realize how finite all this is, you know, 215 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 2: I recognize just how valuable our time here is. There's 216 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:09,439 Speaker 2: such a desire in me to not spend my time 217 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 2: or my energy in a way that doesn't give something 218 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 2: to this world or give something back to myself, you know, 219 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 2: trying further, might like to stay away from, you know, 220 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 2: social media in a way that very hard time describing it. 221 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 2: I say, it's a goodquestion. Don't think I've ever been 222 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 2: asked before. 223 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 1: But sorry, no, it's great. 224 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no, it's this is what this 225 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 2: is what interviews are for. I think, I think it's 226 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 2: just just wanting to reflect something of value into this world. 227 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 2: And I think that my my own way of doing 228 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 2: that is not is not sort of like a the 229 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 2: rapid creativity that I see a lot of people have 230 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 2: and and that I envy sometimes because I again, I 231 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 2: get frustrated with myself. I get you know, I get impatient, 232 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 2: but trying to to to start to really understand myself 233 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 2: as a creative and really understand the best way that 234 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 2: I could show up each day to do some sort 235 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 2: of creative or you know, some kind of spiritual work 236 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 2: or something in order to to find a deeper truth 237 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 2: inside myself for and so I think at this point 238 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 2: it's the only way I know. Now. I would love 239 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 2: to make an album five times faster than I usually do, 240 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 2: but it doesn't really seem to work that way. 241 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: Never does does it. Yeah, you know, it comes fast 242 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: and you got to get it out. But you know, 243 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: when I was little growing up, I want it like you. 244 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: I just I felt this inherent thing that I wanted 245 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 1: to fix everybody's problems and save everybody and help everybody. 246 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: And I remember my mom told me, you know, if 247 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: you carry the weight of the world on your shoulders, 248 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: you'll never get anywhere. You'll just get bogged down right 249 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: where you are and you'll never fly. So take some 250 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: of that off of you. And I feel like that's 251 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:57,319 Speaker 1: what you're describing to me, Like you know, in some sense, well, 252 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: when you just have it within you, you don't know 253 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: where comes from, but you found a way to channel 254 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: it in such an incredible way where it gives to yourself, 255 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: but it also gives it at least that's what I'm 256 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 1: understanding from you, is that you know you don't want 257 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: to do something that's selfish for you only you want 258 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:17,319 Speaker 1: to make sure that without thinking too much about what 259 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: other people want, more just sharing the things that you 260 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,359 Speaker 1: need for yourself that you think might be helpful to them. 261 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 2: I think so, I mean, I think that's what you know. 262 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:29,719 Speaker 2: I don't ever want to pander to anyone or come 263 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 2: from a place of self interest. I think that I 264 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 2: firmly believe that the most valuable thing that we have 265 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 2: and create any kind of creativity is our individual voice. 266 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 2: I think that that's the most interesting thing that we 267 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 2: we have and also one of the most valuable that 268 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 2: it's the reason we find the friends that we find, 269 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 2: is the reason that we connect with a partner. It's, 270 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 2: you know, because someone sees the world in a way 271 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 2: that's complimentary to ours. Oftentimes, I think of the opportunity 272 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 2: that I have is you know, a chance to say 273 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 2: something that perhaps someone needed to hear, as you know, 274 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 2: if they haven't heard it from a friend or you know, 275 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,839 Speaker 2: someone they love, and maybe a song could be that 276 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 2: for them. Maybe the song could could be the first 277 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 2: thing to say it. And so whether that's you know, 278 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 2: giving someone a break, or or trying to empower them 279 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 2: in a small way, or helping them feel understood and 280 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 2: you know, in a lyric, or just connected to something. 281 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 2: You know, I've been able to see, especially just having 282 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 2: gotten off a tour for a month where I get 283 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 2: to meet you know, a lot of the people at 284 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 2: the shows that we are also we are all so 285 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 2: ready for connection. We always have been. But I think 286 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 2: as this world becomes sort of more and more digital, 287 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 2: there's a reason why people are looking more for for 288 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 2: for religion or spirituality or whatever they're looking for. I 289 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 2: feel it in the in the shows now it's things are, 290 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 2: things are a bit different. There's a bit more of 291 00:14:54,720 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 2: an emphasis placed on wanting and craving that connection and 292 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 2: and people feel really feel ready for it, ready for 293 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 2: this sort of to become as human as we can. 294 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 2: I think of my shows more now is almost a 295 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 2: gathering place, less of a concert, you know, I think 296 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 2: the music seems to be a bit of a bonus. Rather, 297 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 2: it's just a place for human beings to gather together 298 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 2: and spend time and celebrate something, you know, art and community. 299 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 2: And yeah, I really feel that, I feel that more 300 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 2: than ever. 301 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 3: Now we'll be right back with more of the Music 302 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 3: Saved Me podcast. Welcome back to the Music Saved Me Podcast. 303 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: Hapathy is one of the themes on Challenger, your new album, 304 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: and that feeling of being stuck between caring or shutting down. 305 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: What do you think drives people there and how did 306 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: music help you find a way through it? 307 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 2: You know, I think again the feeling of being understood 308 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 2: helped a lot that. Yeah, it's a it's a it's 309 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 2: a feeling I've struggled with a lot of my life 310 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 2: is not feeling as as anything inside myself worth caring about. 311 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: Why was there something going on? 312 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 3: You know? 313 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 2: I've had some things kind of transpire my life and 314 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 2: in the ways that we all have in different challenges, 315 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 2: and I think just a certain sort of difficulty in understanding, well, 316 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 2: what this is all for? You know, what what am 317 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 2: I here for? 318 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 3: You know? 319 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 2: What is my purpose on this planet? And I had 320 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 2: a long a lot of trouble sort of understanding what 321 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 2: that reason was. And I think looking outside of myself 322 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 2: for you know, some inherent meaning in this life. And 323 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 2: and so I think that that's where that came from, 324 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 2: is that everything feeling a bit too far away. I 325 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 2: think what music did for me in that moment was, 326 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 2: you know, when I started to really develop and a 327 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 2: love and understanding for music when I was in my 328 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 2: early twenties. Before that, I didn't really understand what music 329 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 2: was was for what it did for me was allowed 330 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 2: me to feel connected to some to something in a 331 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,719 Speaker 2: way where there was no there was no weight on it. 332 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 2: It wasn't the friends I had that knew me so well, 333 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 2: it wasn't the family that I've spent my life with. 334 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 2: It was just it was a stranger and they were 335 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,439 Speaker 2: singing a song and it made me feel something that 336 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 2: I had felt before in my life. You know, a 337 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 2: placelessness or a sadness or a melancholy or a heartbreak 338 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 2: or something feeling understood by someone who I had never met, 339 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 2: was a very powerful feeling. And so that was sort 340 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 2: of the outset of my songwriting is that I thought, well, 341 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 2: if these songs can do that for me, how much 342 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 2: can I find myself inside of a song? The best 343 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 2: case scenario now is that that I've been able to 344 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 2: be that for you know, someone else, be that sort 345 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 2: of point of connection for you know, I say, a stranger, 346 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 2: but of course we're not strangers if we're if we're connected. 347 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,199 Speaker 2: And so finding a lot of a lot of purpose 348 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 2: through that, which has really been a beautiful cycle of 349 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 2: what feels very a symbiotic. 350 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, you're very thought. You think a 351 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: lot those listening right now can't see. But I'm looking 352 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 1: at Luca and he thinks he's thinking a lot about 353 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 1: his words. He's choosing how to express his feelings, and 354 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: you're taking your time and you're not feeling rushed. And 355 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: that's hard for a lot of us to do, myself included, 356 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 1: but it's just so wonderful and it's such a great 357 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: feeling and You're making me feel so calm and sort 358 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: of very present right now just having a conversation with you. 359 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: So I can imagine what it's like when you have, 360 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 1: you know, thousands of people and you haven't even played 361 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: songs yet and you're just talking with them and they 362 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: all feel very disarmed and comfortable. So that's quite a 363 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: gift that you have. But you also self produce your work, 364 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: which I find really incredible. How much of that is 365 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 1: creative control and how much of it that is about 366 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: protecting sort of the emotional truth of what you're making. 367 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: Really it's powerful. 368 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, thank you so much. You know. I think 369 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 2: a bit of both for sure. I've started to let 370 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 2: some friends into my music, into writing it and making it, 371 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 2: and so each album is sort of a bit more collaboration, 372 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 2: which feels really really fantastic to sort of get these 373 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 2: ideas out of my own head and also get out 374 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 2: of my own way a little bit. I think it's 375 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 2: born out of the song to me being the real cornerstone. 376 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 2: And when I think about music, I think about it 377 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 2: as sort of a vehicle for the idea, the music 378 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 2: and the production of it and the recording. While I 379 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,439 Speaker 2: love it so much, is not always as critical to 380 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,439 Speaker 2: me as the song. I'm often trying to just match 381 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 2: the music to what I feel the idea to be 382 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 2: in my mind. The challenge there is that, of course, 383 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 2: nothing is ever perfect or write which is not what 384 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 2: I wanted to be, but getting it to feel congruent 385 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 2: with the idea can be a tough thing, and which 386 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 2: is why I'm starting to let more people in, and 387 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 2: also to build a bit more of a community around 388 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 2: my songs and not feel as though they are only 389 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,360 Speaker 2: mine and that I'm keeping them so precious I don't think. 390 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 2: I don't think I want that anymore, especially touring with 391 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 2: my band in the past few years, it feels so 392 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 2: good to think of these songs as with the word hours, 393 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 2: as opposed to mine. I think in future records there'll 394 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 2: be a lot more people involved, and it's a yeah, 395 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 2: it's a beautiful thing for so many reasons. 396 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 1: It's nice that you have some help too, I mean 397 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: it's a lot of course an album. Of course, the 398 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,640 Speaker 1: show is called music Save Me, so we have to ask, 399 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 1: of course, what is the moment or the song, or 400 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 1: maybe the era where music genuinely pulled you through something 401 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: that you were going through. 402 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 2: You know, it was right when I started trying to 403 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 2: be a songwriter and trying to be a musician up 404 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 2: until you know, for the first nineteen twenty years of 405 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 2: my life, I never expected this to be my career. Ever. Really, 406 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 2: I never really knew that it was even a career 407 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 2: to be a sort of in the working class of music. 408 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 2: The only show I had been to until I was 409 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 2: maybe eighteen was going to see the Rolling Stones at 410 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 2: the Arena in town, and so I didn't know that 411 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 2: this job existed. And yet I bought an acoustic guitar 412 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 2: when I was maybe eighteen or nineteen, and I was 413 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 2: sort of playing in bands with friends and just sort 414 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 2: of something to do. And then after I left high school, 415 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 2: I was by myself for the first time in a 416 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 2: way that I'd never been before, where you know, I 417 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 2: had never I had made any new friends at my school, 418 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 2: and I wasn't doing any of the extra extracurriculars that 419 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 2: you know, kids do, and all I was doing was 420 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 2: going to you know, taking the bus a couple hours 421 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 2: a day to a new place where I didn't know 422 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:53,239 Speaker 2: anybody yet and trying to you know, understand who I 423 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,919 Speaker 2: was as a person, you know, on my own for 424 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 2: the first time in my life and was really really 425 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 2: lost in a lot of ways. I was lost, very lost, 426 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 2: you know, having left behind Catholicism that I was, you know, 427 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 2: I had always been a Catholic when I was growing up, 428 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 2: and leaving behind you know, everyone I almost everyone I 429 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 2: knew for most of the day. And so after that, 430 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 2: I started to write, and I kept writing and writing, 431 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 2: and I was listening to more music, and I started 432 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 2: to find Nick Drake and Joni Mitchell and Nina Simone 433 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 2: and and started to feel what music was for again. 434 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 2: I think I mentioned that I said that earlier, that 435 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 2: it started to click with me, why people do this, 436 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 2: why people love this, why people need this? In that way, 437 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 2: I started to see myself in these songs, and I 438 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 2: started to try at something new, which was trying to 439 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 2: express myself through music, which I'd never done before. I 440 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 2: remember hearing I remember hearing which Will by Nick Drake. 441 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 2: I think it's on Pink Moon, and I didn't really 442 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 2: understand what the song was, which is you know, usually 443 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 2: the case in the first few times. But I felt 444 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 2: such a reflection of the very slow melancholy that I 445 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 2: started to understand in my life again. This is music 446 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 2: that was recorded fifty years or maybe sorry, maybe forty 447 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 2: years before I was born. And I felt so far 448 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 2: inside of that song and I still maybe don't even 449 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 2: know what it's about, and I probably couldn't even tell 450 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 2: you that the lyrics, but I remember feeling that was 451 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 2: what I wanted to try for and try to find 452 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 2: that finds that version, that part of myself to reflect 453 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 2: something and to make it in a way that I 454 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 2: couldn't stay in a conversation, you know, especially again, especially 455 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 2: as a young man, as a teenager, I'm trying to 456 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 2: express myself. So I think music saved me that in 457 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 2: that moment where I didn't have anywhere to put myself. 458 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 2: I didn't know what to do with my time, or 459 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 2: my energy, or my any of my you know, placelessness, 460 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 2: or my anger or my frustration about who I was 461 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 2: and where I was, And so I started to just 462 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 2: write music. And I know how much I've I've learned 463 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 2: about myself in the last fourteen years of trying to 464 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 2: write songs. I am such a I am so much 465 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 2: of a different person that I know I would be 466 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 2: without having all the time in the space and the 467 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 2: sort of like effort to try to connect with myself, 468 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 2: and so I often wonder who I'd be if I 469 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 2: if I didn't find music, But I know that I 470 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 2: would be quite different, maybe for better or for worse, 471 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 2: you know, who knows, but I know it would be different. 472 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 2: And so I'm very grateful for the opportunity that I've 473 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 2: been given to keep trying and over and over and 474 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 2: over and to be supported in this, in this sort 475 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 2: of search to be you know, I don't know, trying, 476 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 2: you know, trying to again, trying to find a truth 477 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 2: within myself that maybe reflects a truth within someone else. 478 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 2: But yeah, it was those first few years especially where 479 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 2: I really started to understand and that's what this is for. 480 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 2: It's for a human being to connect with themselves and 481 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 2: someone else in a way that I never felt before. 482 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 1: So well, keep trying, because we'll come along for the ride. 483 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: So this is your fourth, fourth album or fifth. 484 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:17,919 Speaker 2: That sounds right. 485 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: I think it's you can't even remember. That's good because 486 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: you're you're not paying attention. That's great. The album is 487 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 1: called Challenger. The artist Luca Fogale just wonderful being able 488 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: to spend some time with you and talk to you. 489 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,360 Speaker 1: You've really helped me through my day. I hope we've 490 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: helped many through their day just hearing you speak. But 491 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,199 Speaker 1: believe me, if you think that his voice is calming 492 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: and his demeanor, wait till you listen to his music. 493 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 1: If you need this, it is there for you and Lucas. 494 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. 495 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 2: Thank you, lind You're so generous. I really appreciate it 496 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 2: time today. 497 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: Well takes one to know one. Thank you. 498 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 3: I'm buzz Night and thanks for listening to Lynn Hoffmann 499 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 3: and the music. Save Me podcasts produced by Buzznight Media Productions. 500 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 1: Please check out our other shows, Taken a Walk Nashville 501 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: hosted by Sarah Harrelson, Comedy Save Me hosted by Lynn Hoffman, 502 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: and Taken a Walk hosted by Yours Truly. 503 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 3: All shows are available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and are 504 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 3: part of the iHeart podcast Network