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Speaker 1: up down Tyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces.

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Speaker 1: All that was nasty right there? Rights the latest news

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Speaker 1: and notes from the guys who cover the teams. Rilled

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Speaker 1: by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling, Bring it on, bring

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Speaker 1: it on. Slam the ground by foota baker like a torpedo.

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Speaker 1: He came flying into the backfield. I scared of nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul CALVICI. I'm looking to my game notes right now.

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Speaker 1: I think it was Darren. We are on the one

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Speaker 1: road trip and you saw my game notes, and I

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Speaker 1: think he winced just at the sight of the scribbling

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Speaker 1: and want to know exactly how anybody could read that.

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Speaker 1: And I don't blame you, I really don't. That's the

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Speaker 1: general reaction. But I am able to read this with

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Speaker 1: my Dakota ring and as I go through it, I'm

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Speaker 1: looking and I was trying to figure out not only

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Speaker 1: was there a total of five sacks by a son Reddick,

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Speaker 1: but I have four in the fourth quarter by a

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Speaker 1: So for all the things that were great about the

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Speaker 1: tri State trifecta, as we termed it on the air

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Speaker 1: after the game, between beating the New York Giants, the

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Speaker 1: Jets and the Buffalo Bills, the number was five? Was it? Not? Here?

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Speaker 1: On Cardinals Underground Paul calBC, Darren Urban Kloda guard all

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Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals. Who's gonna get started? And where

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Speaker 1: do you start? Guys? Darren? Do you start with the

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Speaker 1: tears of joy from a Son Reddick? Because yes, the

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Speaker 1: win was imperative and it was paramount and all that,

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Speaker 1: but man, the game within the game, the Jersey guy

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Speaker 1: making like I don't know, the musical Jersey Boys, there's

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Speaker 1: some sort of connection there as well, saved me from myself, Darren,

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Speaker 1: please talk. I have to say, I have to say

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Speaker 1: that it was I don't know what it is about

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Speaker 1: going up to MetLife Stadium. You know, Chase Edmonds made

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Speaker 1: and then this year and and now it's a Son

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Speaker 1: eight sacks total, Paul Dennis Gardeck and Marcus Golden and

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Speaker 1: a Son Reddick. You're not going to find three guys

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Speaker 1: guys in the locker room. And a Son Reddick in particular,

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Speaker 1: he's a dude that quite frankly, you know, I've known

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Speaker 1: proved that completely wrong. It's not like this was a

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Speaker 1: think about it, Paul, the eight sacks were collected by

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Speaker 1: have to account for him. That being said, I really

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Speaker 1: like the scheme that Vans Joseph has used this year.

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Speaker 1: I think it can confuse quarterbacks. It confused Russell Wilson,

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Speaker 1: who has a lot of experience in the NFL, and

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Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts is in his second career game in the

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Speaker 1: NFL fell so they're gonna have to keep things really

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Speaker 1: simple offensively, and if they get in third and long,

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Speaker 1: I think the Cardinals can feast in this game. So

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Speaker 1: we'll see. I mean, maybe the Eagles are a markedly

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Speaker 1: improved team, but I'm not ready to champion that after

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Speaker 1: one game. You're saying you're not willing to crown them

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Speaker 1: yet a small sample size. So are you also saying

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Speaker 1: advance Joseph might be apt to use some of those

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Speaker 1: eight man line of scrimmages. No one's in a three

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Speaker 1: point stance, blitz bail who's coming, who's going, and maybe

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Speaker 1: try and confuse the kid in his second career start. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that's been a dynamic package for them. And

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Speaker 1: when you've got a blitzer with the ability of Isaiah

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Speaker 1: Simmons and a blitzer with the ability of Buddha Baker,

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Speaker 1: and then you can have Buyer Murphy coming from the

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Speaker 1: slot or even Devondre Campbell has a couple of sacks

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Speaker 1: this season. I think there's a lot of athletic guys

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Speaker 1: on that you know, second wave or the third with

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Speaker 1: the defensive backs, and I dislike it. And we've talked

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Speaker 1: about the outside linebackers. Dennis Gardeck is part of that package.

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Speaker 1: Reddick and Golden. There's a lot of guys that can

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Speaker 1: drop or can rush the passer, and that versatility is

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Speaker 1: going to be really hard for Jalen Hurts to dissect,

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Speaker 1: you know, within two seconds when it's either going to

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Speaker 1: be an all out blitz or it's going to be

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Speaker 1: some sort of stunt or something, or you know, a

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Speaker 1: zone blitz where he doesn't know who's dropping and who's

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Speaker 1: coming after him. I thought Byron Murphy played a nice game.

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Speaker 1: I thought Drake Kirkpatrick played a better game. Did the

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Speaker 1: numbers bear that out to we get the pro Football

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Speaker 1: Focus grades any of those guys. Yeah, those guys, they

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Speaker 1: said they did good. That Drake Ker Patricks weren't as

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Speaker 1: good as I thought they would be, but they said

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Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson was actually the best among the cornerbacks. He

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Speaker 1: grated out the highest. Interesting, by the way, and I

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Speaker 1: don't want to get into this whole sidebar discussion, and

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Speaker 1: this is an honest question. I'm not taking a shot

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Speaker 1: at analytics, but how can you not believe in the

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Speaker 1: quarterback change, Kyle? When you go from the guy who's

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Speaker 1: leading the world in turnovers to a quarterback who came

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Speaker 1: in and didn't throw an interception? Doesn't that alone The

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Speaker 1: almighty aalytic that we start with square one, which is

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Speaker 1: turnover takeaway ratio, When that seemed to indicate that there's

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Speaker 1: plenty of value in that quarterback change. The almighty analytic

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Speaker 1: is sample size, and you have to make sure that

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Speaker 1: there is a big enough one to realize this is

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Speaker 1: this guy truly not turnover prone? And if we had

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Speaker 1: four seasons worth of data with Jalen Hurts, then I

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Speaker 1: would believe it. But we're talking about one game, and

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Speaker 1: anything can happen in one game, and I think he

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Speaker 1: has a lot to prove. He doesn't have the pedigree

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Speaker 1: of being a number one overall pick or even a

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Speaker 1: first round pick. So I think when you look back

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Speaker 1: at Jalen Hurts' college career, he did a lot of

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Speaker 1: good things, but he had some games where he struggled.

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Speaker 1: So that's why I feel like he still has to

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Speaker 1: prove himself at the NFL level, even though that first

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Speaker 1: game was great. Yeah, this is this is where it

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Speaker 1: really goes all sideways, Paul, because Kyle was sitting there

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Speaker 1: looking at the TV in two ten going Max Hall

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Speaker 1: beat the Saints. I don't believe in Max Hall. We

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Speaker 1: don't have a big enough sample size. Moxie, my ass.

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Speaker 1: Check out the box score from that game and say

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Speaker 1: backs Hall got the wine. Jim Omohundro alert, there's a

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Speaker 1: good quote from Darren Moxie Mike belief that needs to

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Speaker 1: give in a future radio open. So that occurred here

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Speaker 1: at the halfway mark, Holmes. If you're looking for something

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Speaker 1: there on Darren, that's a good highlight that'll work. By

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Speaker 1: the way, last thought about the defense in this matchup,

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Speaker 1: in particular, as I get the thumbs up from moments

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Speaker 1: there via Zoom's honestly if I'm Doug Peterson and i

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Speaker 1: have a quarterback in a second career start, and I'm

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Speaker 1: looking to the Cardinals secondary, and I'm looking at the

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Speaker 1: pass rush that Daniel Jones just got Jack stopped by.

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Speaker 1: And then I'm looking at the Cardinals defensive line, Darren

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Speaker 1: and I'm seeing a lot of names I don't recognize.

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Speaker 1: And Joan Phillips is going to be out this week

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Speaker 1: after the recurring hamstring injury. I mean, why not try

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Speaker 1: and replicate two hundred forty six yards rushing you just

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Speaker 1: pulled against a Saints defense that was at the top

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Speaker 1: of the most rankings in the NFL. I'm guessing the

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Speaker 1: Eagles is gonna come out and held out on running

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Speaker 1: the ball if they don't get behind. I would tend

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Speaker 1: to agree with you on a lot of levels. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Hurts didn't throw for a lot of yards. I think

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Speaker 1: I saw you only through for like thirty eight yards

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Speaker 1: in the second half, so it's not like their passing

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00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: game was all there. And you know you had said

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Speaker 1: something earlier, Paul about the Eagles defense. The one thing

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Speaker 1: the Eagles do have is a decent defensive line, and

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Speaker 1: so now their offensive line is terrible. And that's that's

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Speaker 1: where I'm curious to see how that plays out, because

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Speaker 1: they just had another injury on one of their offensive lineman.

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Speaker 1: They've struggled there. They're really bad and pass protection, which

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Speaker 1: is another reason why I think they're going to try

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Speaker 1: and run is because they don't have the pass protection there.

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Speaker 1: So the question becomes is this does this end up

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Speaker 1: becoming a battle of what these defensive lines end up doing.

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Speaker 1: You just mentioned the Cardinals and all the injuries that

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Speaker 1: they've had and losing Jordan Phillips again. And when I

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Speaker 1: say defensive line, I'm talking about the big uglies up front,

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Speaker 1: not necessarily the guys on the edge who might be

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Speaker 1: able to pressure Hurts, but can they hold up against

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Speaker 1: that run? And on the other side of the ball,

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Speaker 1: can the Cardinals run the ball a little bit like

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Speaker 1: they did last week? And they were over one hundred

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Speaker 1: and sixty yards before Kyler started kneeling at the end

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Speaker 1: of the game in rushing yards and they did a

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Speaker 1: really nice job of bringing that back to where it

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Speaker 1: was earlier in the season. Can they do that kind

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Speaker 1: of damage against the strongest part of Philadelphia's team right now,

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Speaker 1: which is their defensive line. That's true. Jason Kelsey, the

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Speaker 1: starting center, a standout center, has been the only constant, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean that both guards and both tackles have been

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Speaker 1: injury prone and swapped out all season long. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's a valid point of fact. I asked Cliff Kingsbran

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Speaker 1: his weekly TV show game Plan, and I said, how

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Speaker 1: vital is it that you have a full game worth

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Speaker 1: of game film on Jalen Hurts? And as you might imagine,

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Speaker 1: he didn't elaborate on anything involving game film or x's

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Speaker 1: and ohs, but he just said, well, it's better than

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Speaker 1: an alternative, Paul of not having any game film like

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Speaker 1: the Saints had pretty much going into their game. So

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Speaker 1: there you go. That was so much. Which brings us

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Speaker 1: to the Cardinals offense and whether indeed we did see

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Speaker 1: significant change. What's your opinion on that Kylode guard? Probably

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Speaker 1: not nificant, but I think there was noticeable changes. I mean,

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Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins was not lining up strictly on the left

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Speaker 1: side of the formation, and I think people are misunderstanding

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Speaker 1: that part of it a little bit. I mean, maybe

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Speaker 1: that did take away a little bit from DeAndre hopkins productivity,

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Speaker 1: but I do think it was helpful for Kyler Murray

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Speaker 1: in that situation when things are pretty black and white,

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Speaker 1: when DeAndre Hopkins is on one side, three receivers are

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Speaker 1: on the other, and you can just figure out where

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Speaker 1: that safety is going, and Kyler Murray knows which side

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Speaker 1: of the field he wants to throw too. But considering

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Speaker 1: they weren't getting enough production out of that anymore, I

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Speaker 1: thought it was smart that Hopkins went in the slot.

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Speaker 1: Hopkins went to the right side of the formation. They

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Speaker 1: definitely moved him around more in this game, and the

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Speaker 1: under center stuff stood out to me, the bootlegs and

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Speaker 1: handing off from under center. So I certainly think there

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Speaker 1: were some adjustments, and I'd expect those sort of things

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Speaker 1: to be in the offensive packages moving forward. And it's

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Speaker 1: good because it's just another thing a defense is going

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Speaker 1: to have to prepare for, and Kyler Murray on a

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Speaker 1: bootleg that's going to stress the defense a lot, So

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Speaker 1: I think it's a good idea. I think, Paul, it's

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Speaker 1: just quickly to touch on the moving Hopkins around thing,

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Speaker 1: and that's that's the one thing that did bother me

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Speaker 1: a little bit about everybody who saw the infamous Next

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Speaker 1: Gens stats DeAndre Hopkins root tree thing from the loss

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Speaker 1: against the Rams where he was only on the one side.

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Speaker 1: And I've heard Rod Willfley make this point on you know,

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Speaker 1: his radio show many times. I mean there's nuance to this,

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Speaker 1: as all those years when the Colts were awesome, they

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Speaker 1: lined up their receivers the same place every time and

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Speaker 1: they were perfectly successful. It just because he lines up

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Speaker 1: in one place doesn't mean it's a terrible idea. Now,

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Speaker 1: if it's not working, you need to do some things

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Speaker 1: to fix it. And I do think they made that

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Speaker 1: effort and made some of those adjustments there too, But

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Speaker 1: in itself, DeAndre Hopkins staying in the same place and maybe,

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Speaker 1: like Kyle was saying, giving Kyler little bit more comfortability

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Speaker 1: of knowing where his best receiver is all the time

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Speaker 1: isn't the worst thing in the world. But they needed

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Speaker 1: to do some things. I do think, as Kyle wrote

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Speaker 1: about on Easy Cardinals dot Com earlier this week, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I do think they need to figure out some things

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Speaker 1: of guys catching the ball beyond DeAndre Hopkins. It's it's

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Speaker 1: great if he's getting ten catches. It's important if he's

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Speaker 1: getting ten catches. But you know, I feel like Christian

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Speaker 1: Kirk has kind of disappeared in a lot of ways.

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Speaker 1: Dan Arnold has made some big catches, but in terms

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Speaker 1: of volume, it's not like they're targeting them a whole bunch.

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Speaker 1: So I feel like they need to find a little

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Speaker 1: bit more balance in the passing game to really put

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Speaker 1: some fear into other teams. Because as I go back

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Speaker 1: to my game log in my notes here and I

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Speaker 1: buy myself some time to read my own writing by mentioning,

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Speaker 1: we're brought to you by a Pacific Office Automation, proud

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Speaker 1: partner of the Arizona Cardinals. Do you look at that drive, Kyle?

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Speaker 1: It was eleven plays, seventy seven yards. That's right, Kyle,

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Speaker 1: take a drink. This is going to take a minute.

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Speaker 1: There was a completion to Christian Kirk, there was one

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Speaker 1: to d Hop, There was a Kenyan Drake big run.

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Speaker 1: There was a run by Chase Edmonds. There was a

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Speaker 1: past to Max Williams. In other words, everyone got involved.

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Speaker 1: And to me, when the Cardinals have gotten to win,

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Speaker 1: you see like you did in this game against the Giants,

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Speaker 1: eight or nine different receivers on the receiving end making

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Speaker 1: catches from Kylo when different guys are involved and it's

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Speaker 1: somewhat organic, and it kind of comes to him and

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Speaker 1: he's the finding the guy that's open at different times.

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Speaker 1: That just seems to me to indicate the Cardinals offense

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Speaker 1: at that point is really functioning at its best. Akin

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Speaker 1: to that eleven place seventy seven yard touchdown drive. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I get that train of thought, and I

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Speaker 1: don't disagree with it, but I also feel like this

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Speaker 1: offense would be better if they had that number two.

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Speaker 1: Like I feel like Christian Kirk was going to have

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Speaker 1: a bigger season, I thought after what he did in camp,

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Speaker 1: and then he started a little slowly with the injury.

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Speaker 1: He came on pretty strong for four or five weeks

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Speaker 1: there and he was a big time target, and the

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Speaker 1: last four or five weeks it hasn't been there. And

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Speaker 1: I feel like if you have DeAndre Hopkins on one

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00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: side making plays, and if Christian Kirk is on the

641
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: other side consistently having these big catches and really drawing

642
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: the attention of the defense, then it naturally trickles down

643
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: to the guys you mentioned, and then it really helps

644
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: the offense. But I think the passing game hasn't clicked

645
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: to what we thought it would be. And to me,

646
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: that's because there's not that clear cut number two target

647
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: that's making a lot of plays either making contested catches,

648
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: making plays yards after the catch. There isn't a guy

649
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: that's kind of broke it out, and I personally thought

650
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: that was gonna be Kirk. He hasn't quite done it yet.

651
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: He's averaging fewer yards per game this season than he

652
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: did even as a rookie. You know that opening drive

653
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: against the Giants where it's stalled at the one yard

654
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: line after the Marcus goal in strip sack. If you

655
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: go back to the second down play once they got

656
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: first in goal, it was Christian Kirk on the jet

657
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: suite the handoff. Didn't we not all see that? The

658
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: moment he got the ball, you're thinking touchdown and somehow

659
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: he didn't get in. And I thought of the last

660
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: drive before halftime in New England where they got stuffed

661
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: on fourth and goal from the sixth inch line. He

662
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: had to going to the halftime was zero points coming

663
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: out of that drive. On the second down play of

664
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: that drive, Christian Kirk had dropped a touchdown pass. So

665
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: I'm with you, guys, if I don't know if it's

666
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: a matter of targeting him early. Does he need action early,

667
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: does he need to get into the game. You need

668
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: to throw him some bubble screens to get him going.

669
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: Whatever you can do to get Christian Kirk going. I

670
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: completely agree with you, unless for some reason he doesn't

671
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: excel as much against zone coverage. That's the only thing

672
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: I can think of. You know, Larry seemingly does a

673
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: great job. DeAndre Abkins did a great job finding the

674
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: soft spots in the zone. It is Christian Kirk not

675
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: quite experienced enough to excel in that area. Darren, I

676
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: don't know. Let's just be thinking out loud. Well, I

677
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: certainly can't speak to that. I have that part. I

678
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: don't know. And it was nice to see, quite frankly,

679
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: Christian Kirk be able to make a couple of big

680
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: punt returns, which I thought help special teams. Was so good.

681
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: In fact, they had that rough game against the Patriots,

682
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: and I think the last two games they played really

683
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: really well, especially in the coverage units. And again Christian

684
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 1: Kirk made a couple of nice part returns in that game,

685
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: and I thought that helped them. And I just I think,

686
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: like Kyle said, I just I think he's one of

687
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: their dynamic people on this roster, and I think he

688
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: can help this team in more ways than he is

689
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: right now, and you just you hope that that can

690
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: keep moving in the right direction dan Arnold. Did I

691
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 1: see right that Travis Kelsey leads all the receivers and

692
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: receiving yardage a tight end? I mean, is there any

693
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: reason dan Arnold can't continue this upward trend, Kyle? I mean,

694
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: to what degree we all want to see Christian kirkinball

695
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 1: a little more about that tight end number eighty five? Yeah,

696
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,760
Speaker 1: I think he's He's done a nice job in his reps.

697
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 1: I hesitate hit to even put him in the same

698
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: ballpark as Travis Kelsey or any of the top tight

699
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 1: ends at this point. I think he's got a ways

700
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: to go with that. But he's certainly a guy who

701
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray seems to be developing a nice chemistry and

702
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,439
Speaker 1: relationship with. He's got pretty good hands, he can move

703
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: pretty well. But I mean, you still look at the

704
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: numbers overall, and it's not like he's he's had an

705
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: outstanding statistical season. So I don't want to make too

706
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: big of a deal out of touchdown catches. They were

707
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: nice plays, but as far as from predictive value, I'm

708
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: not sure how much that means going forward, but he

709
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: is another guy, Like you're searching for a number two

710
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 1: standout weapon, and if it's not Christian Kirk, can Dan

711
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: Arnold fill that void? I'm not sure at this point,

712
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: but I do feel like it'd be nice for somebody

713
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,760
Speaker 1: to step up and give him that fifty sixty yards

714
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 1: a game consistently, you know, and when it comes to

715
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: Dan Arnold, you know. And again, I know there are

716
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: times when he's lined up as a true tight end

717
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: and everything. He's not always necessarily split out a little bit,

718
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: but they do do that with him. I feel like

719
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: when you watch this offense and you watch this team,

720
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: when people ask about where Larry Fitzgerald's targets have gone,

721
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: I think that's where they've gone. I mean, if you

722
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: think about the kind of targets that Larry Fitzgerald would get,

723
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: I feel like those are the Dan Arnold targets down

724
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: in the end zone or in the intermediate area. I mean,

725
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: obviously Larry's still out there, but it feels like when

726
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: you talk about proportionally putting this stuff out there, I

727
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: think that's it feels like that's those those are the

728
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: kind of catches that Larry would normally be making for.

729
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: You know, speaking of Larry in his prime, right, he

730
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: used to go up and above guys. I mean, Dan

731
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: Arnold has six foot six. If I see him on

732
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 1: a dB under six foot, I mean, just keep it simple.

733
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: Just throw it to him, Just just throw it up,

734
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 1: just just go basketball, throw them a lob, just feed

735
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: him in the post. Just throw it above the little guys.

736
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: And honestly, at this point, when he made that catch

737
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 1: on third and goal and Kyler's backpedaling and he lost

738
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,439
Speaker 1: four dbs and caught it above their head, I thought

739
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: of his first impression his first week of practice, where

740
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 1: supposedly the antidote goes, he's a practice squad guy they

741
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: pick up from the Saints, and he's just going up

742
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: and above everyone at practicing, yanking down balls in the

743
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: end zone. I mean, nobody's stopped it yet. Just keep

744
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: feeding the guy, Honestly, if you're looking to solve your

745
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: red zone woes. Now, going into the game, the Cardinals

746
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: were atop the NFL and red zone touchdown percentage, but

747
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: not against the Giants, just two A seven, and luckily

748
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: for them, Mike Nutent went for for foreign field goals.

749
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 1: All that might be foreshadow we do an upcoming topic.

750
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: As for as for Dan Arnold, I mean, what do

751
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: you think Kyle is there? Should they be you know,

752
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: using not just targeting more, but targeted more in that manner,

753
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: it just seems like what the players are called barbecue chicken.

754
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: I mean, if there's a six inch shite difference in

755
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: certain situations, it makes sense. I don't think it's gonna

756
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: be a staple of the offense by any means. I mean,

757
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: like you said, the red zone before this game was

758
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: perfectly fine. It was very impressive. I think moving forward

759
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: with their personnel, with a mobile quarterback, it's gonna be fine.

760
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,040
Speaker 1: So I think, hey, if you get that matchup and

761
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: and you like a jump ball to Dan Arnold because

762
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: he's got a huge height advantage, go for it. But

763
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: I don't think you're gonna be designing a lot of

764
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: things to put him in that situation. I mean, it's

765
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 1: it's easier said than done to consistently catch those type

766
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: of passes. I mean, there aren't a lot of fades

767
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: thrown in the NFL for a reason because they aren't

768
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: super efficient. I think you have to be in the

769
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: right situation to make those work. Right. So, Darren, earlier

770
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: you dropped Daryl Washington, these things happen in threes, Daryl Washington,

771
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 1: Lightning Rod. I brought up Donovan McNabb, Lightning Rod. Now

772
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: we get to the kicker questions. These things happen in threes.

773
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: I'm many kicker questions. Have you fielded in the mail

774
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: bag this week? You know what, there weren't a whole

775
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 1: lot in the mailbag, per se, But I will say

776
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: that there was a resounding response on Twitter when the

777
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: news came out that Zing Gonzalez wasn't gonna be able

778
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: to play with his back injury, and they're bringing in

779
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: Mike Nugent or promoting him from the practice squad. And look,

780
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: I get where everybody is on that. You know, I

781
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: think Mike Nugent is a solid replacement when you're in

782
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: this situation. You know. I think we saw with a

783
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,760
Speaker 1: fifty five yard attempt, it was just a little short.

784
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 1: At Nugent's age, I don't know how far he really had,

785
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: what kind of range he has and everything he converted

786
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: in the game. And this isn't to take anything away

787
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: from him, but that's what Zane Gonzalz has done the

788
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: same thing all year inside forty yards, Zane Gonzalz hasn't

789
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: missed either, So you know, look, I get where the

790
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 1: frustration is for the fans. But until we see Nugent

791
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,760
Speaker 1: make a couple of those forty eight forty nine yarders

792
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: that we don't even know if he's got the leg

793
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: four still, you know, I think you need to be

794
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: careful what you wish for, and I think there's just

795
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 1: a lot of displaced anger for a team. And don't

796
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: get me wrong, Zane Gonzalz has got to make more

797
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,720
Speaker 1: than he had in those situations. But at the same time,

798
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 1: guys aren't going to make everything. I mean this kickers

799
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: aren't going to make a hundred percent. I just saw

800
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 1: as we're sitting here on my Twitter feed, somebody put

801
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: together a highlight highlight reel in quote of the eight

802
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: mixed missed extra points in the NFL around the league

803
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: this past weekend. I mean, they really missed extra points.

804
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: Every fan base expects their kicker to make every single

805
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: extra point, even though it's you know, not necessarily a gimme,

806
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: and there's gonna be missus. I mean, that's the kicking game,

807
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: and I think people forget that sometimes and the fact

808
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 1: that the Cardinals are close enough that a single field

809
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: goal means that much. It just puts more emphasis on it.

810
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: But I think that also goes to some other things

811
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: than just what the kicking game is. Zae Gonzal is

812
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: a more talented kicker right now, I think we all

813
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,720
Speaker 1: agree the answer there is yes, But where is he mentally?

814
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: Only they know only behind the scenes do they know

815
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 1: where Zane Gonzalez is mentally? With the confidence so you

816
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 1: know that combined with the fact that you know, come on, now,

817
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: we know all the world works. You know, it's good

818
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: to have friends and I places. And when Nugent is

819
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: a former teammate of the head coach, well that goes

820
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: a long way. How about that for a knowledge drop

821
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: and the postgame presser, by the way, I mean that's teammates.

822
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: That's two thousand and five. I mean Cliff Kingsbury has

823
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,959
Speaker 1: wistfully talked about his aboarded NFL career for a few

824
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: times and how much he wishes he could have kept playing,

825
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: and to think he's still I mean, take that away

826
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: for a minute, Paul, we the last time the Cardinals

827
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: won a division under Ken wizzen Hunt in two thousand

828
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 1: and nine, Mike Nugent kicked for that team. He replaced

829
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: right for two games games, and now you're bringing them

830
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: back again. That's that's crazy. That's a very interesting question,

831
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: like you guys have talked about, like would you rather

832
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: have Mike Nugent who has shown good accuracy albeit, like

833
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: I said, small sample size in that first game, but

834
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: he was knocking him right through from inside forty And

835
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 1: what is his realistic range? Is it not more than

836
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 1: fifty fifty one yards? I mean, can you have an

837
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: NFL kicker who can't hit outside of fifty yards ever?

838
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: Because he doesn't have the leg strength that It's a

839
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: tough question. And like you said, Paul, where is Zane Gonzales? Mentally,

840
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 1: He's obviously got a bigger legs, He's you know, kick

841
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: for kick in no pressure situations. He would probably make

842
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: more in the long run than Mike Nugent. But with

843
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: three games left, with how important game winning kicks are,

844
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: who do you trust more? And can you keep Mike

845
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 1: Nugent knowing he doesn't have the same powerful leg as

846
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: a Gonzales. It's it's a very intriguing question for the

847
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: last three games, and then if they make the playoffs.

848
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 1: Kickoffs weren't a problem, right, I don't kickoffs. He wasn't

849
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 1: short on kickoffs. It wasn't a lack of leg power

850
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: on kickoffs, or was there. I'll be honest with you,

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Speaker 1: I may not have been paying as much attention as

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Speaker 1: I should have during kickoffs. I can't remember. I don't

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00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: think they were great. I mean, I think it was

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00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: pretty obvious he doesn't have the same juice in his

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00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:04,280
Speaker 1: legs as Zangnzales. By the way, speaking of the head coach,

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00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: I asked him, now, what does Lincoln Riley do? Because

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00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: he has two former Heisman winning Oklahoma quarterbacks in this game,

858
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 1: who is he pulling for? And Kingsbury quickly answered, oh

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Speaker 1: no, no no, no, no no. I'm a former teammate of

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Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley, so he better be pulling for the Cardinals.

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00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: So there was another knowledge drop. I forgot about that

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00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: the two of them were teammates at Tech. So you're

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00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: basically saying that Cliff has been a teammate of somebody

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00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: somewhere every no matter who we run into, is that

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Speaker 1: he's name dropping. He's been name dropping, whether it's Nugent

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Speaker 1: or Lincoln Riley, I guess, So, you know, I don't

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Speaker 1: know at this point. So I will say this, I

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00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: don't like the Rams sitting there in week seventeen, the

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00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: final game of the year, and you're only seven against

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Speaker 1: Sean McVay. So down the stretch, the Cardinals come and

871
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: this Eagles team is gonna play hard, just like just

872
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 1: like we figured the Giants would play hard. And so

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00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: guess what, Cardinals took care of them, made some early play,

874
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: set a tone. Marcus Golden coming out there, and you know,

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00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:06,240
Speaker 1: it was great. The anecdote for Marcus was that after

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00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 1: he had the strip sack and he took down Daniel Jones,

877
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: there was a break in the action a TV time

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00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 1: out a little bit later in the first quarter. He said, hey,

879
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: you're good. You all right? And Daniels showed, yeah, yeah,

880
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm good, junk, and he said good because

881
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: I'm coming again. And so that was that was Marcus Golden,

882
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 1: which was solid, and so you know, but to me,

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Speaker 1: I think you're gonna have to do that again, Kyle,

884
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: you have to do that against this Eagles team. That's

885
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: been enthused and revived, and you figured they're gonna come

886
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: out and play hard, and so you better be able

887
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: to match that, because we've seen a roller coaster of

888
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: a season so far for the Cardinals. Sometimes when it

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00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: comes to energy and intensity, Yeah, I mean, you're playing

890
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: for your playoff lives. I can't imagine the Cardinals are

891
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: gonna be flat in this game, and if they are,

892
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 1: that's a huge indictment on every single player on the

893
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: team if that happens, because you're sitting here where like

894
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,919
Speaker 1: you said, Paul, if if you win these next two

895
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: games against the Eagles and the Niners at home, two

896
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: winnable games, you're gonna be definitely in the catbird seat

897
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 1: to make the playoffs, maybe clinch after that too, depending

898
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: on what other things happen in the NFL. But I

899
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: think the way we're looking at it, you have to

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00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: get both of these and then we'll see what happens

901
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: in the Rams game if you need it or not.

902
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: But in order to take a lot of the anxiety

903
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: out of it, you need to beat both of these teams,

904
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: and certainly in aggregate, the Cardinals have been a better

905
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: team than the Eagles this season. They've been a better

906
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: team than the Niners this season. I think the Cardinals

907
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,879
Speaker 1: are above average team for sure, but we've seen them

908
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 1: lose some close games. And if either these next two

909
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: are close and it's a kicking issue or a turnover

910
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: or something happens and they lose, it's just gonna be

911
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: a gut punch. So I just feel like they have

912
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,760
Speaker 1: to take care of business in a pair of games

913
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: that honestly, they should be able to take care of

914
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Speaker 1: business in. And you know what to come full circle

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Speaker 1: here on Cardinals Underground, brought to you by Pacific Office

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917
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 1: Redick is from Philly, right, so here you go. The

918
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: Eagles are coming to town. They haven't really banged up,

919
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: dare we say bad offensive line? Now the quarterback is

920
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: much more mobile. Obviously, it's gonna be much tougher to

921
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: get to jail and hurts, you would think. But he's

922
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: still a rookie. And if he's confused by some of

923
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: these fans Joseph coverages and he's a little bit indecisive,

924
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 1: then look out as Son Reddick might be poised for

925
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: an encore here. If there's something about him going home

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Speaker 1: planning against his hometown team, that's all I'm saying. All

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Speaker 1: I know is five more in conclusion I will say

928
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Speaker 1: is this is that you know what I was living

929
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Speaker 1: vicariously through his homecoming, because every time, even though I've

930
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: lived here twenty five years plus, every time I go

931
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Speaker 1: home back to the Silicon Valley, my confidence is destroyed

932
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,879
Speaker 1: by the fact that basically bonehas I went to high

933
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Speaker 1: school with and now worth tens of millions of dollars

934
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Speaker 1: because they work for Apple and they have stock options

935
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: with Applied Materials or some other Silicon Valley company that

936
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,439
Speaker 1: they got in on twenty years ago. And all these

937
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: bones in the house that my dad bought for one

938
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand dollars. If I wanted to buy

939
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 1: it back right now, it costs me two point four

940
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 1: in some middle class suburb in San Jose. So you

941
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: know what, somebody's having a good homecoming. Was that a

942
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: little too personal? I'm sorry, No, that wasn't too personal. Hell,

943
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Speaker 1: we'll take it off that real quick, Paul. I just

944
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: want to give a shout out to our our celebrity listener,

945
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Speaker 1: Will Leach, the guy who invented Deadspin. He's a he's

946
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: a faithful listener of Cardinals Underground, big fan of yours, Paul,

947
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: So we've got that going for us. Well. Speaking of

948
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 1: cashing out, I mean my good will Leach, right, I

949
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: meant something. You know, he's probably listening from the country club.

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00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: I'm guessing at this point, right, we're talking about a

951
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: lot of millionaires and it's not a or his twelve

952
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: car garage. By the way, I'll leave you with this,

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00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: I'll do my own name drop. So I ran into

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00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: Larry and the team hotel when everybody's doing a lot

955
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: of nothing and it's basically quarantine. I said, Larry, come on, now,

956
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: do you really do redo your estate plan and your will?

957
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: And he's like yeah, and he kind of gave me

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00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: that look like keep walking CALVC and I said, I said,

959
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: I said, Larry, I got there's only one question when

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00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 1: you redo the will, which car did you leave me?

961
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: Which call out of the question did you leave me?

962
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 1: And he gave me a desk stare and I said, Okay,

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Speaker 1: he's ready for game day. And that'll do it for

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