1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: You're listening, waiting on reparations a production of I Heart 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: Radio two Head of Rose, wet together, the wet in 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,399 Speaker 1: genital central to which the pleasure parenthood is parenthetical to 4 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: your periods missing, and it's being missing gets conspicuous. You're 5 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: pissing on a stick and ship shit, shit, Okay, what 6 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: the issue wins? A pincher feed'll tissue. It's an utter, 7 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: it's a parent site, it's an honor, it's gotten. You're terrified. 8 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: It's a daughter, but she's got to go that could 9 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:26,240 Speaker 1: you spared life? Could you prepare her right if you tried? 10 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: Are you the parents type prepared to fight for the 11 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: writer's choice? And yeah, embarrassed by the choice if it's 12 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: just a parasite. Why your eyes all boys? Because it's 13 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: difficult to call the child the choice when a tiny 14 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: boys inside you was crying out that it's your bright 15 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: and joy is nobody tells you you conceive it, you 16 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: could grieve it because I always see is the stigmatization 17 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: of a procedure, feeding off this information and trait and 18 00:00:47,479 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: conversation for secrets. I am dope knife franca, So how's 19 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 1: everybody doing? I don't know why I keep sucking, asking 20 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: how everybody's doing out there. I want to know. I 21 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: keep thinking, I keep thinking that we're alive. I misperforming anyway. Okay, 22 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: so it is a little bit after eleven and in 23 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: a little under an hour is going to be Lingua 24 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 1: Franca's birthday. If I sound really excited, you feeling you're 25 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: feeling good there about that. It's funny because I was 26 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: talking to my family today and they were talking about 27 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 1: next year the Big three, oh for me, and so 28 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: how we're gonna all get together once hopefully coronavirus is 29 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: behind us, and it's like the last big birthday milestone 30 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: I have tilling forty. I mean after that, then it's 31 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: I think it's it's best to start celebrating it in 32 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: five years and rules after that, you know what I'm saying. 33 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: I don't know what is going to occur politically between 34 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: when we're recording this Monday night and on Thursday, when 35 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: you guys hear this. I have some predictions, you have 36 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,839 Speaker 1: some predictions. This is this is in a way, this 37 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: is similar to our very very first episode, The Emergency, 38 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: because something happened on the fly that we felt, hey, 39 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 1: we we took a break, so we could work on 40 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 1: some new episodes, and then something else happened that we 41 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: kind of felt we had to address. But before we 42 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: get into all that, Mariah, won't you tell everybody about 43 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: the work that you're doing this past weekend. Yeah. So 44 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: on Saturday, I drove down to us of the Georgia. 45 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: It's about three and a half hours from here to 46 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: the Irwin County Detention Center where a group called SOMMO 47 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: South Georgia reporting it together a protest in support of 48 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: the folks being held there as well as the women 49 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: who um, it was revealed, have been given for sister 50 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 1: actomy is at the center there. And so there were 51 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: folks who came out from all over there. I met, um, 52 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: some folks from Florida, folks from Atlanta representing Yeah, it's 53 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: like a hundred people came through. Yeah, I met a 54 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: girl who drove down from Indiana. So folks came from 55 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: all over and we had like a caravan's last march. Um. 56 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: They wanted us at the first to all just be 57 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: in like a car caravan, like honking, to let the 58 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 1: t dannies inside know that we were outside. You know, 59 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: it's all dirty with them, partially because there was like 60 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: an armed fascist presence. I was just about to say 61 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: it was there was there police presence, heavy police presence. Yeah, 62 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: cop cars everywhere everywhere everywhere, UM, as well as like 63 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: some like armed got some pickup trucks with like Trump 64 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: flags hanging. Yeah. And so thankfully we didn't have much 65 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: interaction with the cops or with the UM the fascists. 66 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: There was like a small altercation, but I wasn't really 67 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: UM there for that. I just saw some video online afterwards. 68 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 1: But it was really cool, mostly because UM the speakers 69 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: that we you know, afterwards gathered and heard from some 70 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: folks from throughout South Georgia and the intersectionality of the 71 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: struggles related to UM, you know, ice and like the 72 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: president industrial complex and like women's bodily autonomy, especially with 73 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: the passage of the passing of Ruth Bader Ginsburg Um 74 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: the night before thinking about UM, the pro life movement 75 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 1: and like it's silence around, like what what's been happening 76 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: down in Irwin County Attention Center, Because we had folks 77 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: talking about the fact that they UM had seen this 78 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: this doctor before, have been treated by him, and he 79 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: had actually like recommended his directors for folks who wanted 80 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: to have children, and so like the way that we 81 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 1: can see of our roman's right to choose as kind 82 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: of unidirectional, like we think about the right to an abortion, 83 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: but also how important it is to enable folks to 84 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: have kids if they wanted to have like the economic 85 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,359 Speaker 1: conditions in their lives and the healthcare options available to 86 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: them in their lives to like have kids if they wanted, 87 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: and like that that autonomy is is bi directional, like 88 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's your right to do whatever you want. Um. 89 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: And so we heard from folks representing like Black Lives Matter, 90 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: who was like highlighting they had speakers, yeah, who were 91 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 1: um talking about how many uh, you know, black detainees 92 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: there are. We think of it as a struggle that 93 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: is faced by folks from you know, South America and 94 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: Central America and Mexico, but like actually a lot of 95 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: data detainee is our Haitian or Cameroonian or you know, 96 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,559 Speaker 1: for a lot of places, and so you know, black 97 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: immigrant lives matter too, um. And so yeah, it was 98 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 1: really exhilarating, uplifting, um, even though I kind of departed wishing, 99 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: like protests, we gotta do what we can. We gotta 100 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: be back here in the streets. But like, you know, 101 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,679 Speaker 1: we drove away, and those detainees are still behind those walls, 102 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: and you know, we're still still there tonight. We're still 103 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: there tonight. And yeah, that kind of like haunted means 104 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: staying with me. And so I'm kind of glad we're 105 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: talking about Roe v. Wade today with like some of 106 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: those messages lingering after that protest, of like hearing from 107 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: folks talk about their experiences with the reproductive healthcare reproductive 108 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: rights um and remembering how all these struggles are intertwined. 109 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 1: So with the sudden passing of Supreme Court Justice Ruth 110 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: Bader Ginsburg over the weekend, it just felt particularly timely 111 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: to talk about the subject of abortion and Roe v. Wade, 112 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: the struggle for women's bodily autonomy and what hip hop 113 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 1: is that to say about the topic over the years. 114 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: So let's get into a little history about this epic 115 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: landmarks Supreme Court ruling back in nineteen seventy three. So 116 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: in nineteen sixte twenty two year old Texas resident Norman 117 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: mccorby became pregnant with their third child. She decided two 118 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: kids was enough, but in Texas, at the time, abortion 119 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: was illegal except when necessary to save the mother's life 120 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: and some m Corby, or Jane Roe, as she was 121 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: known in the courts of the media, got a lawsuit 122 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: in federal court against her local district attorney, Henry Wade, 123 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:44,239 Speaker 1: claiming that the law banning most abortions in Texas was unconstitutional. Now, first, 124 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: the U. S. District Court of the Northern District of 125 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: Texas ruled in her favor, but the Supreme Court of 126 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: Texas appealed this directly to the Supreme Court, who would 127 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: go on to hear the Roe v. Wade case. So 128 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,679 Speaker 1: in January of nineteen seventy three, the Supreme Court ruled 129 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: seven to two that the you process clause of the 130 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution, providing for the right of privacy, 131 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: also protects a pregnant person's right to choose to have 132 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: an abortion or not, which struck down many state and 133 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: federal abortion laws. Of note, the author of the Supreme 134 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: Court world view Wade opinion, Justice Harry Blackmun. Blackmun, I 135 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: think so yeah. Well, he was a Nixon appointee, and 136 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: he was joined by two of the other three Knicks 137 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: and appointees at the time so there was a point 138 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: in time in which Rob Wade enjoyed bipartisan support de 139 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: facto by the you know, by right of their appointee, 140 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: their appointment to the Court by Nixon. So they're not 141 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 1: even doing it for necessarily ideological reasons, but because yeah. 142 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: So Granted, this did not strike down all state restrictions 143 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: on abortion. Indeed, the court ruled that these mights must 144 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: be balanced against the government's interests in protecting women's health 145 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: and protecting prenatal life, a balancing test. They resolved by 146 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: saying that during the first tribmester of pregnancy, governments could 147 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: not prohibit abortion at all. During the second trimester, the 148 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 1: government could require reasonable health regulations, and that during the 149 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 1: third trimester of pregnancy, abortions could be entirely been except 150 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: in cases where they were necessary to save the life 151 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: or health of a pregnant person. Trying to remember which 152 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: comedian it was. I think it might have been like 153 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: Bill Maher back in the day, who had a little 154 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: a bit where he was like, if dudes could get pregnant, 155 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: you'd be able to get an abortion at the drive 156 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: through McDonald's. Yeah, you can get the vending machine some ship, 157 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: But as a result of this balancing test in the 158 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: way that it allowed for some state restrictions on abortion. 159 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: As a result, laws very significantly from state to state. 160 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: For example, twelve states restrict coverage abortion and private insurance plans, 161 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: and forty five states allow individual healthcare providers to refuse 162 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: to participate in an abortion, and then forty two states 163 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: also allow institutions to refuse to perform abortions. Eighteen states 164 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: mandate that women be given counseling before abortions that include 165 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: information on at least one of the following the purported 166 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: link between abortion and breast cancer. At five states, the 167 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 1: ability of a feat is to feel pain. That's in't 168 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: thirteen states, or the long term mental health consequences for 169 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: the woman, and that's in eight states. Twenty states require 170 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: women seeking an abortion to wait a specified period of time, 171 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: usually twenty four hours, between when she receives his counseling 172 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: and when the procedure is performed. Thirteens of these states 173 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: have laws that effectively require the women to make two 174 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: separate trips to the clinic to obtain a procedure. In 175 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 1: places like Georgia, where we have I don't know three 176 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: providers in the whole state. That would mean driving several 177 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 1: hours to go get your counseling, also not only afford 178 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: the abortion, but also afford a hotel room to stay 179 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: the night to then actually have the procedure the next day, 180 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: and then like the last is parental involvement. In thirty 181 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: seven states requires some sort of parental involvement in the 182 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: minor's decision to have an abortion. Twenty seven states require 183 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: one or both both parents to consent on the procedure, 184 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: while ten require that one or both parents be notified. 185 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 1: So the idea that anywhere in America that there exists 186 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: abortion on demand, Whether you think that's wrong or right 187 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,479 Speaker 1: or not, it's another thing. But the fact that anybody 188 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 1: thinks that that exists is proof of how effective the 189 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: propaganda is. Yeah, it's it's really interesting that folks I think, 190 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: like a lot of like libs that in blue states 191 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: aren't even going to be impacted by this at all. 192 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: The way, Um, that's the point. The point. The point 193 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: is that it becomes a privilege and that only rich 194 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: people can do it. Yeah, abortion will always be available 195 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: to rich people. This just makes it harder for poor 196 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: people to have the right to choose what happens in 197 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: their lives and of worse comes to worse, and Trump 198 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 1: is able to install a new Supreme Court justice before January? 199 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:08,199 Speaker 1: Who would seek to overturn Roe v. Wade. Planned Parenthood, 200 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: the nation's largest abortion provider, says that sweeping bands could 201 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: be imposed in twenty states that are home to an 202 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: estimated twenty five million women of childberry age. So yeah, 203 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 1: I mean a lot drafted consequences for the rest of US. 204 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 1: Last year's anti abortion legislation in several Southern states sparked 205 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: a many outcry from some mainstream hip hop figures. Atlanta 206 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: rapper Offset from the group Me Gooes, as well as 207 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: Dreamville rapper j I D had some tweets to say 208 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: about the topic, with Offset stating, quote the new laws 209 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: as slavery to force rape victims to keep the child 210 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: as slavery, I'm not proud to say I'm from America, 211 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: and j I D chimed in with quote the Georgia 212 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 1: abortion bills ship is fucking dumb. This country don't give 213 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 1: a funk about women for real. Perhaps the most outspoken 214 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: of the mainstream hip hop figures to speak about those 215 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: abortion bands was Alabama rapper Chica who got to use 216 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: the Jimmy Kimmel stage to do her song Richie Versus Alabama, 217 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 1: which was directly about the issue at hand. Alabama they 218 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 1: were trying to criminalize abortion by passing a heartbeat bill, 219 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: meaning the six week banning abortion after the six week mark, 220 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 1: wherein most women have no idea that they're pregnant, but 221 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 1: that's when the fetal heartbeat is first detected. I mean 222 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 1: bands like these impact for people and people of color 223 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: the most. Um, Black women have been found to be 224 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: four times as likely as white women to have an 225 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:44,439 Speaker 1: abortion in our lifetimes, and these laws are often passed 226 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: in states like Georgia, like Alabama that have high populations 227 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: of people of color UM and who also through you 228 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: know defunding of social services through like a weekend social 229 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: safety net, have little the way is of time and 230 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: resources to be traveling multiple hours to go to a 231 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: clinic or to go make an appointment twice and give 232 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: to sit through counseling UM or even you know access 233 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: in the healthcare to have an O B G Y 234 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: in you see regularly too, you know, find out if 235 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: you're pregnant for sure, without a time frame where you 236 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: can actually go see someone to get the procedure if 237 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: you need it. So, um, it's no surprise, really, um 238 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: that hip hop has spoken out given the way that 239 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: does impact communities of color disproportionately. So what do you 240 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: think is at the heart of the argument for those 241 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: who are against abortion, like those people who would call 242 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: themselves pro life? Do you do you think it's like 243 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: a genuine argument or that that is coming from a 244 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: genuine place, or we you know the or at the 245 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: root of it, or we're just talking about misogyny, internalized 246 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: and original recipe. It's hard for me to say, because 247 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: I'm I don't know intimately a ton of pro life 248 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: people or don't choose to spend a lot of time 249 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: discussing these matters with those who I do know. I 250 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: can't help but feel like it's about just grinding the 251 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: least among us into abject misery through and purely because 252 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: of its coupling with you know this, this staunch opposition 253 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: to abortion, with this commitment to do funding social services 254 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: to make it impossible, or if you have a child, 255 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: that you can put them, put the child in in 256 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: pre K and have access to childcare, that they have 257 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: good schools, that they could go to that you have 258 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: a job that pays you enough to make sure the kid, 259 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: can you know, have the right baby books and get 260 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: the nice formula and have you know, all the diapers 261 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: and all the things that you need. Like, I can't 262 00:15:54,520 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: help but see these two um, these policy fetiship is 263 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: wedded together within a singular ideology. It can't be anything 264 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: but pure malice if you show me the person that 265 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: exists that is like anti gun, is against every war, 266 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: who's saying no death penalty for anyone, feed the homeless, 267 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: take care of the poor, and also there are pro life. 268 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: I don't have to agree with that person, but at 269 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: least I can accept that person is coming from a 270 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: genuine place that it's like, hey, you believe that ship, 271 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But some motherfucker who's got 272 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: Trump on the back of their pickup truck and then 273 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: they own like seventy five guns and having wet dreams 274 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: about killing Antifa and ship talking about save the children, 275 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: pro life, get the fuck out of here with that ship. Yeah, 276 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: And like I love war and I can't I can't 277 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: look past that because it's you of honesty. At that point, 278 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: it's like the whole premise of the argument is false. 279 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: So then it just comes across like you're disingenuous and 280 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 1: you feel like a big fucking troll. And then I 281 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: don't even want to engage with you to hear any 282 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: of you blah blah blah. I can't help but feel 283 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: that way. And I think it might be, you know, 284 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: a lack of understanding, like maybe if I truly understood 285 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: where people are coming from with like empathy factor. Yeah, 286 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: but just when you look at that whole suite of 287 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 1: policy obsessions together, it just doesn't it doesn't seem like 288 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: anything but uh, trying to make life totally miserable for 289 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: a certain subsect of the population, subset of the population. 290 00:17:46,160 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: It looks like a duck cracks like a duck. So, Mac, 291 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: you came across some original research right on this topic. Yeah, 292 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 1: it came across an original research article titled Abortion and 293 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: Contemporary Hip Hop a Thematic Analysis of Lyrics from two 294 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: thousand and fifteen. It's pretty formal research with the objective 295 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: to evaluate the representation of abortion and contemporary hip hop, 296 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: gaining insight into a myriad of attitudes of abortion in 297 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: the black community. And it was put together by She's 298 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: from Kumar, Catherine Brown, Bisa, and Andrew F. V. Jackson. 299 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: Pretty Much, what they did is they used the rap 300 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 1: lyric search engine Genius and compiled some keywords and phrases 301 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: having to do with family planning, abortion, et cetera. And 302 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 1: they analyzed it and you know, went through what they found. Now, 303 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: the most obvious and striking result to me was that 304 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: out of the six thousand, five hundred and seventy seven 305 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: songs available, a total of one hundred and one songs 306 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 1: performed formed by a hundred and twenty two individual artists 307 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 1: met the criteria. The majority of the artists were black men. 308 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: Five artists were black women. I mean, I think just 309 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: the propor like, I feel like that's proportionate to the 310 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: numbers the number of like professional recording artists, you know, 311 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 1: men versus women. It doesn't surprise me that there are 312 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: so many men speaking out an issue if it doesn't 313 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 1: really have fucking a thing to do with them, it's 314 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: not really their fucking business. I mean, like, okay, okay, 315 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 1: oh no, that number seems mad low yo, Like, Like, 316 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 1: I mean I think that, first of all, I think 317 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 1: way more women raped than is represented in that number, right, 318 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: or is that true. I mean, like, like if we're 319 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: also fostering it to the lens of just bias in 320 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: the industry, it was a lot fewer professional female recording 321 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: artists on a level that not even I don't haven't's 322 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: like five of us. I don't know. Well, I mean, 323 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: if this list has like a hundred or so male 324 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: rappers that are rapping about abortion and then you've got 325 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: like fifty or so female rappers talking about it, then 326 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: I but I mean five because I can think off 327 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 1: the top of my head five rappers that are female 328 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: that I know aren't on this list that I don't know. 329 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 1: Maybe I was naive, but I just expected that, whether 330 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 1: it be the issue of abortion directly or the things 331 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: around that, I thought this list was going to be 332 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: filled with female mcs. Now, some key themes that they 333 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: found in terms of how abortion was used in songs 334 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: was the use of abortion as braggadocio, equating abortion with sin, genocide, murder, 335 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: male pressure for women to seek abortion, and and specific 336 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: association of planned parenthood services with abortion. Now, I did 337 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: not use there their collection of songs to put together 338 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: our list. Um, but with that said, I found just 339 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 1: keeping it real The general attitude towards the topic of 340 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: abortion and hip hop over the years has been one 341 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 1: from a I think stark and undeniable conservative angle. I mean, 342 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 1: hip hop being what it is and you hearing the results, 343 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: it's obviously a male centric point of view, but even 344 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: when it's the women of hip hop speaking on the subject, 345 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: it's rarely, if ever presented as like a joyous celebration 346 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: of liberation, you know. And there's definitely a heavy religious 347 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 1: angle to it too, but you know that can be 348 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 1: something that we can't even cover another episode. But let's 349 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,199 Speaker 1: get to these songs. Yeah, so let's take into some 350 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: of these representations, starting with Fresh and the track abortion Baby. 351 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 1: Yis yo na what? Yeah? Y'all need to see Maria's 352 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,679 Speaker 1: face right now. So he's just buying into like the 353 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 1: fucking welfare queen even on eighties standards. That ship trash 354 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 1: trash trash song. Okay, So first of all, it opens 355 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,360 Speaker 1: up with Rockabye Baby. You know how like in all 356 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 1: the movie trailers now they play like a familiar theme 357 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,959 Speaker 1: but with creepy piano. Well, this ship's got the creepy 358 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: piano version of Rockabye Baby to start it out, Like 359 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: you're getting ready to watch the new Chucky movie or 360 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: some ship. It really comes across as like some Christian 361 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: right the more that you go into it, it really 362 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: is on some like Christian right ship. Some of the 363 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: lyrics include all of us were born into a life 364 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: of sin. That's something in the jeans buried deep within. 365 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 1: On the hookie raps about the world's morals being out 366 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: of proportion. And then, of course, to start off the 367 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: fucking song, he's saying, girl, you must be crazy to 368 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 1: kill a newborn baby, So I mean, heikes, but to 369 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 1: give or take life, you gotta pay the price. What 370 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: does that mean? What price does that mean? I'm pretty 371 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 1: sure that I remember in two thousand sixteen when Trump 372 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 1: was running for office and he was saying that if 373 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 1: if somebody, if a woman gets an abortion, that she should, 374 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, be charged prosecuted. So sounds 375 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 1: just in line with that straight out of the Duckie 376 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: Fresh joint. I mean, yeah, that should straight up. It's 377 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,919 Speaker 1: like it's like some religious propaganda. It's super high cringe levels. 378 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: All right, let's go to the next one. You got 379 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: laft or fetal, Yeah, lafem fetal by Digible Planets. The 380 00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: song is it has always been around, it will always 381 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 1: have a niche, but they'll make it a privilege not 382 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 1: accessible only to the rich. Hey dah talking about fighting 383 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 1: the fucking fascists ninety one, what's up? So Yeah, it 384 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: definitely has a strong narrative approach. Yeah, and it has 385 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 1: a storytelling approach. Um that finds Butterfly the rapper, being 386 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 1: called over to some friends house who just found out 387 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: they were pregnant. Um, they want to get an abortion. 388 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: They're worried about being harassed by anti abortion protesters at 389 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: the clinic, and the song just plays out is like, 390 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: you know, this guy having the conversation with his friends. 391 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 1: I can almost imagine the story taking place in like 392 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: the nineties, seventies or something. If you know Digible Planets 393 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 1: or have ever heard them, especially that first album Reaching 394 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: It has like that retro jazzy vibe to it, So 395 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 1: I can almost imagine this story playing out in the 396 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: seventies before Roe v. Wade or shortly after. Yeah, it's 397 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: very spoken word like and it's very political. They talk 398 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: about the socio economic like pressures that way into the 399 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,439 Speaker 1: decision of keeping a child or not and out of 400 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 1: all of these songs, it's the only one where Ropie 401 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: Wade is actually addressed directly by now yeah yeah yeah, 402 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 1: And then they clearly call out anti abortion activists that's 403 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 1: fascists and talking about fighting the fash and the way 404 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 1: the Butterfly went about writing that conversation with his friend 405 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 1: telling him that she's pregnant. Our love was a third 406 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: and spontaneity has brought a third, but due to our 407 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 1: youth and our economic state, we wish to terminate. And 408 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: for this we don't feel great with baby. That's how 409 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 1: it is. That's how it is. That's one of those 410 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: stink face bars, you know when a rhyme is so 411 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 1: dope that should just make you make a face like 412 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:51,199 Speaker 1: you smell something stink. The next the next one is 413 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 1: also like a really creative take on the issue. This 414 00:25:54,320 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: is Jane Gray with my story before friends that dope. 415 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,239 Speaker 1: So she spoke to dj booth dot com about the 416 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 1: song and said the following. The whole idea was, no, 417 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: I wanted to do a song that was this real 418 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 1: about it taking you into the room, the anesthetic you're 419 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: going through the whole process, especially experiencing as a teenager 420 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 1: and not having anyone to share it with. I'm not 421 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: really sure whether it's autobiographical or she's playing characters in 422 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 1: the different verses or not. It sounds like some of 423 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 1: it is drawing from Like it feels like some of 424 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: it's drawing from real experiences. Then some of it is like, oh, man, 425 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: I had no idea that Jean Gray went through that. 426 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,880 Speaker 1: If that's real, you know, Um, there's a part where 427 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: she talks about having three kids she'll never see it's 428 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 1: still being equated to murder someone. Yeah, but I think 429 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 1: that's that's real. Like that sense of regret regardless of 430 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: what your stance is, uh, you know, in my own experience, 431 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 1: like being like very staunch feminists and like, oh of course, 432 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 1: like you know, being twenty two three years old, I 433 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,160 Speaker 1: thought like, I can't you know, have a kid, but 434 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: you know, that lingering sense of that lingering sense of 435 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: like wondering what could have been and if you made 436 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: the right decision, et cetera. I think, yeah, that hits everyone, 437 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 1: and so that's really rude those thoughts. I think they 438 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: can exist at the same time for sure. Yeah. I mean, 439 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,679 Speaker 1: these days, I'm very glad for what I did that 440 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: I have the life that I have now, I definitely 441 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 1: still don't think, you know, I could have you know, 442 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 1: be a good parent at this point in my life, 443 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,679 Speaker 1: and I wouldn't want to put a kid through that. Um. 444 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: But uh yeah, you can like know you did the 445 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 1: right thing and feel bad about it at the same time. 446 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 1: So popular rapper Nicki Minaj is touched on the subject 447 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: a couple of times in her songs. With one of 448 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 1: her songs All Things Go, she makes a little bit 449 00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 1: of a reference about getting an abortion as a teenager. 450 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: It's really just in passing. It's not really a focus 451 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 1: at all, But in an earlier song Autobiography, she goes 452 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: into it with the whole verse keep conceive the concept 453 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: of w Yeah. I think she's working through a lot 454 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: of the questions that come up, the things that linger 455 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 1: on your mind. And I think that's like healthy and 456 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 1: I'm kind of happy for her that she had an 457 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: artistic space in which to do that, because they are 458 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 1: things that can stay with you for a long time. 459 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: I know want people to think that's all it is like, 460 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: to be too scared to go forward with something that's 461 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 1: right for you because of these representations of the mental anguish. 462 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: It's just like, uh, yeah, it is like a complex thing. 463 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: There's a sense of relief and a sense of getting 464 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 1: your life back, and then there's you know, also these 465 00:28:55,280 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: glimpses of just wondering, all right next to someone who's 466 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: kind of become a show favorite at this point. But 467 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:12,719 Speaker 1: this is no name with the song Bye Bye Baby, 468 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: like this muscle hesitated almost wait king, yeah, it's it's personification, 469 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: she says to DJ dot Com of a mother who 470 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 1: has an abortion and the baby. I feel like whenever 471 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: I hear people talking about abortion, they typically take the 472 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: love out of it, as if it can never be 473 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: a loving act, as if it's only done out of 474 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: hate or desperation. I know women who have gone through 475 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 1: that experience and there hasn't been like a song for 476 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: them or a moment of cartharsis and healing for them 477 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: in music. That ship was just important to me as 478 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: a woman, as someone who cares about these women. I mean, 479 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: I think that's dope to try to create through art 480 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: a space of healing for other people, since if catharsis 481 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: when they see themselves reflected in the content of a 482 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: song important part of normalized thing that the turbulence of 483 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 1: that decision making process. Books go through with the anguish 484 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: of of figuring out what's right for them, and so 485 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: I think it's really dope that you create up. That's 486 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: the famous Tupac line from the song keep your Head Up. 487 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 1: I can only speak for myself, but I would imagine 488 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 1: that there's a lot of men my age whole like 489 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 1: opinion on the topic is based off of hearing that 490 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 1: line when they were like twelve or thirteen. Yeah no, 491 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,239 Speaker 1: I was like, no, cat for real, Like, yeah, I 492 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: feel like I've given some of the pervasive stigma on 493 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: abortion within like the black community and then within the 494 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: hip hop community especially. This was sort of like the 495 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: vanguard of him to say at that point in time, 496 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,239 Speaker 1: even that just a couple of years or the air, 497 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: Douggi Fresh was talking about how our morals are all 498 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 1: blown out of proportion and ship all right up next, 499 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: oh boy, look, I'm just we keep it real on 500 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: the show, all right, just call it how I see it. 501 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 1: Next one is pretty cringe e as well, But this 502 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: is Nick Cannon with can I live? Oh my god, 503 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 1: that's the price of living? What mommy like this clinic? 504 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: Hopefully you make the right decision, Okay, Okay, okay, wrap 505 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: it up, Nick Cannon. Um, okay, So first thoughts, that's bad, 506 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 1: all right. So he wraps as if he's, you know, 507 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: like he's the baby in his mother's womb, and he's like, 508 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: I guess talking to her with telepathy or something, and 509 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: it's trying to convince her not to go through with 510 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: the abortion. So like he's saying, ship like, Mommy, I 511 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: don't like this clinic. Just throw up in my mouth 512 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 1: a little bit. Um. He's even squirming so that she 513 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 1: feels him moving, and the hook has the refrain cannot 514 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: live and they say that a couple of times. By 515 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: Anthony Hamilton's on the hooks, it's kind of cringe. But 516 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: at the end of it, he's got a little disclaimer 517 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 1: ad libs where you know, he kind of lets you 518 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: know that it's just a story and he's not passing 519 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: any judgment. It's a matter of fact. Let me read 520 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: this verbatim because I want to quote him on this, 521 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: all right, and these ad libs, Nick says, this is 522 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 1: real uplifting, y'all. I ain't passing no judgments, ain't making 523 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: no decisions. I'm just telling you my story. I love 524 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 1: life and I love my mother forgiving me life. And 525 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: I think those you know, those perspectives are valuable too, 526 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: to let people know that in a world where you 527 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: may feel forced to to uh not half a child, 528 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: if you choose to do that yourself and like find 529 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 1: joy in that and enjoying motherhood, that's the beautiful thing too. Um. 530 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 1: We didn't include the Lauren Hill song Zion on this list, 531 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 1: but her song Zion is pretty much about that same 532 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: exact concept of her getting pregnant at the height of 533 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: her fame and the people around her telling her, you 534 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: know that she should get rid of the child, but 535 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 1: her keeping it now the joy in her world is Zion. 536 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: Y'all know that fucking song. I didn't put it on 537 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: here because it don't got any wraps in it. Next 538 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 1: we got coming in. This song actually features Lauren Hill, 539 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 1: but this is a song retrospect for life with a gun. 540 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 1: What's the really thought? I was gone to take the 541 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: life on my side. I could have sacrifice going out 542 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 1: to think my home. We did it, I used to 543 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: choke about from now on you felt control instead of 544 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 1: control because we got an abortion for three I want that, 545 00:33:51,880 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 1: you gotta you know, Yeah, inflation is a bit is 546 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 1: either that or those are like fucking Walmart value sales 547 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 1: or something. I don't know. I don't want to hate, 548 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,799 Speaker 1: I don't want to judge anything. I think. I think 549 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 1: it does a very nuanced represent It's a very nuanced 550 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: representation of the conversation that people have. You know, No, 551 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think if for somebody who's 552 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 1: worried about messaging, the first verse by itself can might 553 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,359 Speaker 1: make you a little ways the song leading, but when 554 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 1: you take the whole song into account, paints like a 555 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 1: bigger picture about like what Commons trying to say with 556 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: the song as a whole. The first verse definitely find 557 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 1: with some of some of the other things that we've 558 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 1: listened to. But but that second verse does come in 559 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: strong to kind of just round it out and not 560 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,360 Speaker 1: even necessarily switch up what he's talking about from the 561 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 1: first verse, but just giving you a more you know, 562 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:57,359 Speaker 1: rounded uh opinion about it. But we're gonna end it there. 563 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: We've got a ton of notable mentions for you. Just 564 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 1: some other songs for you to check out that are 565 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,479 Speaker 1: about this topic if you're interested. Um J. Cole has 566 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 1: Lost Ones. Tech nine has a real interesting one called 567 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:17,880 Speaker 1: Real killer Um arrested development the group, not the show. 568 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 1: They had a track called Warm Sentiments and that was 569 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 1: dope as well. I think we got to end the show. 570 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,239 Speaker 1: What's about it for the day, trying to try to 571 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: feel like I mean, it's past it's past twelve, so 572 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:34,319 Speaker 1: it's your birthday. You're officially twenty nine. We gotta get 573 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 1: the birthday freestyle. Okay, birthday, since my mother chose to 574 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 1: have me, let's do a little do little celebration freestyle. 575 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 1: So make sure you go check out my heart reparations 576 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,720 Speaker 1: on Instagram. Shout out to jan Cosby for the beats. 577 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 1: This episode hit us up on our personal ship. Do 578 00:35:54,040 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 1: all that ship? I do it now? Uh uh yo? 579 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 1: Betteral abortion lot? How they gets struck down? What then? 580 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 1: How are they gonna go and pick a judge down? 581 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,720 Speaker 1: RBG so hasn't even see something now, but they're gonna 582 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: go and try to stop me from driving to Atlanta 583 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 1: and my gelapi sit down in a little clintic lobby 584 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 1: wheezing in savvy. When I think about trying to be 585 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,400 Speaker 1: a mop, me not me. I got too many jobbs 586 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:37,320 Speaker 1: and hobbies yo yo. But Counto said he got the votes, 587 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,879 Speaker 1: so he said, but they really want to overturn roby Way. 588 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,240 Speaker 1: They want to push the judge through with no delay. 589 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 1: It's like two thousand sixteen. They press replay. You can 590 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,800 Speaker 1: see the hypocrisy. But these motherfucker's looking like the Nazis 591 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 1: be if they get another judge, Homie, we will not 592 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,360 Speaker 1: be free protesting outside. They will lock these streets with 593 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,440 Speaker 1: a power to be killing true, and Trump's gonna parton 594 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,359 Speaker 1: out still in groop. Don't follow the mold, don't care 595 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,640 Speaker 1: what you told. You don't gotta like Buyen. I don't 596 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 1: care if he's old. But if you think that's crazy, 597 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 1: you're really gonna be bad when they bring back slavery ship. 598 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:17,800 Speaker 1: I'm legal, Franka, I'm dope Knife. 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