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Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to bok F Daily with

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Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody. Recording from the Home Bunker,

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Speaker 1: So friends. At the time of this recording, we are

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Speaker 1: still on indictment watch for Donald Trump. But regardless of

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Speaker 1: whether or not we see the indictments later this week,

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Speaker 1: next week, or beyond, what is really amazing, and by amazing,

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Speaker 1: I mean absolutely breathtaking, is the fact that Republicans, particularly

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Speaker 1: led I used that in air quotes, are just hell

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Speaker 1: bent on staking their career, staking the parties, staking their legacy,

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Speaker 1: happened seven years ago. He used his own money. And

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Speaker 1: I'm just like, dude, you are sitting down as a

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Speaker 1: speaker of the House talking about your presidential candidate who

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Speaker 1: is twice impeached, using his quote unquote own money to

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Speaker 1: pay a porn star hush money. How do you justify this?

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Speaker 1: But you see, the thing is, particularly with reporters, and

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Speaker 1: the way that these people are allowed to just have airtime,

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Speaker 1: If I were a reporter and I'm sitting down with

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Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy and he offers up this, oh it was

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Speaker 1: to you, Speaker McCarthy, regardless of Donald Trump, like, let's

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Speaker 1: say you're right, and we actually need to go through

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Speaker 1: the legal process in order to recognize or find out

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Speaker 1: if in fact your assertion is correct. One you claim

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Speaker 1: that with every time that there is a member of

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Speaker 1: they have broken the law. Right, So I'm confused about

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Speaker 1: desperate desire to quote unquote lock her up as it

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Speaker 1: to go through? Just sit there and wait. Also, following up,

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Speaker 1: you claim to be the party that cares about family values.

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Speaker 1: So let's put all the hush money and illegal payments

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Speaker 1: and campaign finance stuff aside. Donald Trump is a married

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Speaker 1: so confused about why these easy moves and questions can't happen. Similarly,

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Speaker 1: So when we think to ourselves that our democracy is

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Speaker 1: And clearly by the last several interviews in the last

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Speaker 1: I'm very excited to welcome to woke f Daily Ellie

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Speaker 1: Merrit whose new book How to Save Democracy. It has

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Speaker 1: be taking place on March twenty ninth, And you'll learn

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Speaker 1: our conversation that is coming up next, folks, I am

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Speaker 1: very first time doctor Eli Merritt, who is a political

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Speaker 1: And Magadam, I want to start off with asking you

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Speaker 1: I think you've already made some important allusions to what

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Speaker 1: to democracy is the demagogue. Democracy in the Western tradition

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Speaker 1: And so at the same time was the word demagogue.

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Speaker 1: and it starts with understanding actually how democracy works. I

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Speaker 1: say again at this summit, there is no better system

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Speaker 1: of government than representative democracy. It is wonderful. Even if

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Speaker 1: we lose it for a spell, it is wonderful. And

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Speaker 1: so if you lose it, you just have to figure

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Speaker 1: out how to go about finding it again or building

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Speaker 1: it anew That's hopeful to me. That is hopeful to me.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Eli and Merritt, thank you so much for making

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Speaker 1: the time to join will Gate F folks again. His

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Speaker 1: newsletter on sub stack is called American Commonwealth and his

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Speaker 1: new book is How to Save Democracy Advice and Inspiration

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Speaker 1: from ninety five world leaders. Thank you for making the

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Speaker 1: time for woke F and I hope to have you

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Speaker 1: back again on in the future. Thank you, Danielle. Great

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Speaker 1: to talk to you. That is it for me today,

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Speaker 1: dear folks on woke f as always, Power to the

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Speaker 1: people and to all the people. Power, Get woke and

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Speaker 1: stay woke as fuck.