WEBVTT - Sowing the Seeds 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:14.520 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to okay f Daily with 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:18.439 Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording from the home Bunker 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:24.680 the Folks. In today's conversation, I chat with Sean Shaw, 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:31.280 who is the founder of People Over Profits, an organization 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:36.680 in Florida that is seeking to wake people up to 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:42.000 the electoral process and understand that, you know, the reason 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:45.160 why we don't have the kind of rights and protections 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:48.680 that we do is because guess what, we put profits 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:52.040 over people on a regular basis. And Sean and I 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:56.880 who he is a former Florida state delegate. We'll get 0:00:56.920 --> 0:01:00.480 into a conversation about what the Democrats are doing wrong 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:03.760 in Florida. I open up the conversation by talking about 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:06.560 the fact that Florida was indeed a purple state. And 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:09.680 he said, no, no, no, He's like, if you remove 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:15.119 Miami Dade, if you remove you know, certain areas. He's like, basically, 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:19.679 Florida is incredibly read and incredibly rural, and he's like 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:22.640 and incredibly old. And Democrats do not do a good 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:27.240 job in talking to the older set, the retirees who 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:29.160 have enough money, by the way, to go down to 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:31.600 Florida and to retire and to buy homes or go 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:34.440 into a retirement village. About the fact that you know, 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:37.400 Republicans take control and guess what's going to be gone. 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:40.759 They're so security that they're living off of their Medicare 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:44.520 that is taking care of their elderly care. Why aren't 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:48.000 we having those conversations. Sean will push back against me 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:51.080 and talking about, you know, the fact that he believes 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:53.880 that Democrats get caught up in the culture wars, And 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:56.520 I say, I don't think that Democrats get caught up 0:01:56.520 --> 0:01:58.800 in the culture wars. They don't have a good comeback 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:01.080 and nor do they have a way to them pivot 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:04.440 back to the ways in which Republicans are working overtime 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:07.000 to take away your rights, take away your entitlements, and 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:09.800 take away all of the things that Americans have earned. 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:14.120 And so folks, you know, as we continue to make 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:18.839 the march to the midterm elections. As it stands right 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:21.800 now and some states, turnout is very high, but we 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:24.359 don't know who these people are turning out for. Are 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:27.880 they turning out for death Santis? Who is using Florida 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:31.400 as an evil Petrie dish to see just how many 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:35.320 you know LGBTQ kids, he can assault, or how many 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:39.120 voters he can arrest, or you know, how many you know, 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:44.639 white people he can celebrate while erasing people of color 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:48.040 in the history books and you know, pushing teachers out 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:50.959 of the classroom. When you look at the numbers, who's 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:54.000 running for governor right now against him, he's in a 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:57.160 comfortable spot if you believe the polls. And I'm just 0:02:57.320 --> 0:03:03.639 like the fuck man. You people in Florida are underwater, 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:07.160 your homes have been destroyed. Climate change is going to 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:09.880 engulf the whole fucking state at some point, and you 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:12.680 are voting for a man who doesn't believe that climate 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:17.080 change exists. Take out LGBTQ people, take out women in abortion, 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:20.160 take out white grievance, take out all of those things, 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:23.440 and just think about your fucking bottom line. This is 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:25.799 what I don't understand. But you know then I don't 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:30.560 understand racists, right like I don't understand the hate so 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:33.480 deep inside yourself that you will vote against your own 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:36.560 best interests just so you can ensure that people who 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:41.160 you don't know right don't have any idea or understanding 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:43.960 about except for the stories that you've made up in 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:47.600 your head, suffer more than you suffer. And that somehow 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:50.600 means winning to you. I don't get it, but that's 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:55.200 the reality that we're in. And so my conversation with 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:57.600 Sean will unpack a lot of this and he will 0:03:57.680 --> 0:04:00.720 provide some eye opening ways into which we need to 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:03.680 be thinking about the state of Florida and sowing the 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:06.760 seeds right, because that's the thing that Democrats are not 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:09.920 good at, which is sowing the seeds. Instead, they seed 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:13.640 ground to the Republican Party when they've decided, oh, well, 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:15.880 this is a red state and it's always gonna be. Yeah, 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:17.720 it's always going to be if you don't fucking invest 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:21.159 in it, right, if you don't actually give money to 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:23.400 local folks that are on the ground, that are doing 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:25.320 to get out the vote, that are doing the messaging 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:28.000 campaigns right. And I know that the folks will say, well, 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:31.960 Democrats can't be everywhere, We'll fucking Republicans are. They seem 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:35.200 to be everywhere and doing just fine. It's the rest 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:37.200 of us that are sitting around scratching our heads saying, 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:39.919 how come people are not waking up to the ways 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:42.640 in which Republicans are lying to the American people and 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:45.560 have turned into a vicious cult. Well, because nobody is 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:48.200 repeating that information to them day in and day out, 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:54.200 and that's why we're here. So, you know, I hope 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:56.840 that you enjoy this conversation with Sean, and if you 0:04:56.880 --> 0:04:59.400 are a woke a f listener from Florida, please do 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:02.560 in the comment section let me know what you think 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:06.719 about your red state, right, and whether or not you 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:10.160 have some pointers that the Democrats could actually use in 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:13.599 terms of what messaging does resonate with your neighbors and 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:18.040 your friends, right, what messages will get through that aren't 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:22.240 being thought about right now, because clearly if death Santens 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:26.600 is up in the polls and yet the state is underwater. 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:30.880 He denied, you know, FEMA to other states, namely New 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:33.600 York during Superstorm Sandy, and then coming out with this 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:37.640 fucking handout for the state of Florida. I'm just like, guys, 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:40.720 there's got to be somebody better than this motherfucker. And 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:43.640 so I want to know what messaging do you think 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:46.920 is going to resonate in Florida that Democrats have yet 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:51.800 to utilize. 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It is an indisputable 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:41.520 fact that you will love this show. Listen to Indisputable 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:45.520 with Doctor Rashad Ricci on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:48.120 you get your podcasts. If you like what you hear, 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:59.000 be sure to subscribe so you never miss a new episode. Folks, 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:02.760 I am very excited to welcome to wok F for 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:08.080 the very first time Sean Shaw, which is who I 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:11.400 was practicing so that I would not mess that up, 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:14.040 So let me say that again. I'm very happy to 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:17.440 welcome to wok F Daily for the very first time 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:21.800 Sean Shaw, who is the founder of People Over Profits 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:27.200 and former Florida State representative and also nominee for Florida 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:33.240 Attorney General, Sean, before we get into your very very 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:40.240 special state, talk to us about what People Over Profits is. 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:44.480 It's good to be here. I'm happy to be on here. 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:46.320 As soon as I saw the title of the show, 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:47.800 I knew it was one I wanted to be on. 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:51.200 So I'm happy to be here. You know, after my 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:53.880 Attorney general is raising twenty and eighteen, I wanted to 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:56.440 stay involved. I wanted to have a vehicle to do 0:07:56.640 --> 0:08:00.520 things on issues that I cared about. And so People 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:03.280 Over Profits as a C four and we spend a 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:06.480 lot of time on ballot initiatives here in Florida, killing 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:08.840 bad ones and trying to help good ones. And of 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:11.960 course we do a lot of support to candidates, Democratic 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:15.240 candidates here in Florida. And so it's just a way 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:18.760 for me to stay involved on issues that I care about, 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:22.840 whether that's those are voting issues, whether those are you know, 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:26.720 issues that have a disportion impact on black folks, those 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:29.480 are ones that I really care about. You know, we 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:32.760 have a redistricting issues here in Florida as well, So 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:36.480 things like that are ones that we like to be 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:39.440 involved in because, as you said, Florida we got a 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:40.960 lot of work to do in a lot of places, 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:43.560 and so I wanted to remain involved, and I wanted 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:45.560 the freedom to be able to do what I wanted 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:48.440 to do, right. I didn't want to have to work 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:51.360 through existing channels necessarily. I wanted to be able to 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:55.679 do work on issues that I cared about. So you know, 0:08:55.880 --> 0:09:00.160 one of the things that caught my attention, right, which 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:04.840 was a tweet that you sent after or maybe actually 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:10.640 during Hurricane Ian, which is, if you are a Fuloridian, 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:14.400 you should know every single one of your Republican congress 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:19.400 people and US senators voted against FEMA aid for your state. 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:23.600 And you know, I want to lift that up because 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:28.960 it is outrageous to me. Right, the state of Florida 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:33.800 is essentially, you know, pieces of it are in Hurricane Alley. 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:37.640 We have seen as climate change, as the climate crisis 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:41.560 has gotten worse, that the hits are going to cost 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:45.240 into the billions for this state. So what do you 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:49.880 make of it, Sean, that all of these representatives at 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:53.320 this state, which was once purple, right, which once flip 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:58.440 has flipped blue, is still considered purple, continues to elect 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:03.680 people who are absolutely out to launch when we are 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:07.520 talking about the climate crisis and investments that need to 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:10.440 be made in order to keep people safe. Well, I 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:12.560 might have some bad news for you because I don't 0:10:12.559 --> 0:10:15.120 think Florida's purple. I think that's part of the answer. 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:19.720 Damn okay, And a purple state doesn't elect Ron de Santis, 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:25.240 Marco Rubio, Rick Scott Ashley. Those are not moderate Republican politicians. 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:29.040 Those are extremely right wing politicians. And I think we 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:31.240 need to come to terms in this state. We keep 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:33.480 trying to say we're purple, but look who leads us. 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:37.800 Look who every statewide elected official is except one that's 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:40.960 a Democrat. All the Republicans that are elected stay wide 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:43.319 are not moderates, and they don't claim to be moderates, 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:46.920 and they don't act like moderates. They race each other 0:10:47.400 --> 0:10:50.680 to be as conservative as they can. The Santis is 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:54.520 shipping migrants from Texas to Martha's Vineyard. That sounds like 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:58.240 a moderate. No, So they are doing what you know, 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:01.560 they believe the conservative playbook, which is to lockdown against 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:04.439 anything that's democratic. And so if Biden wants it, if 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:06.959 Pelosi wants it, if Humor wants it, they don't. And 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:10.440 so all the Republicans voted against that build that contain 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:13.480 that FEMA money. But like you said, you bite your 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:17.200 nose to spite your face, and so now I think 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:19.760 it's the height of hypocrisy. Now they are all saying, 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:22.520 man I sure wish we need some more FEMA money 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:24.760 down here. These people are hurting it. Well, damn you 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:28.679 had a chance to actually vote to literally help those people, 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:32.720 and you took this partisan way out. And their excuses, well, 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:36.000 it wasn't a standalone bill, and YadA YadA. People are 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:39.680 sick of hearing that bus. Right, that's Washington, DC. Speed 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:42.679 those people in Lee County and call your county whose 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:46.320 house blew away, who have no house, who haven't had 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:50.319 electricity for two weeks. They need to know that everyone 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:53.959 who's a Republican that had a chance voted against more 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:57.240 money for them in exactly a situation like this. That's 0:11:57.280 --> 0:11:59.920 what we've got to keep lifting up and make that 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:04.120 message known, because you know, all the culture wars in 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:07.760 the world don't make that fat go away. And that 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:10.120 is what a lot of this culture war foolishness, at 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:12.360 least in Florida, that they like to do is to 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:15.000 make you try to forget about the other bad stuff 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:16.760 we're doing over here, because we're gonna get you'all riled 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:19.080 up about black folks. We will get y'all rolled up 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:21.880 about LGBTQ issues. We gonna get y'all riled up about 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:24.840 migrants at the border. Florida ain't got no border, but 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:27.320 we will get y'all routed up about these other things. 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:30.079 So you don't pay attention to the fact that your 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:33.480 insurance is too high, that Florida is the most unaffordable 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:35.880 country in the state, in the country to live in, 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:39.839 and all these other things. So then, Sean, what is 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:43.840 it that you think that Democrats are getting wrong about 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:46.319 the state of Florida, right, Because it's not as if 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:51.280 y'all haven't had, including yourself, good candidates to run. So 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:57.160 clearly the message or the messages are not penetrating to 0:12:57.400 --> 0:13:01.520 the people who need to be vote Democrat because they are, 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:04.320 like you said earlier, you know, cutting off their nose 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:08.720 despite their face. So what are Democrats getting wrong about 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:12.240 the messaging in Florida? I think a lot. I think 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:17.160 the messaging needs to be based on pocketbush pocketbook economic issues. 0:13:18.160 --> 0:13:21.800 I think we're coming across as weird to the average person. 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:27.280 Because we concentrate on things that they don't necessarily want 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:30.640 to talk about all the time. And just because you 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:32.800 don't want to talk about race and you don't want 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:35.120 to talk about gender issues doesn't make you a bigger 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:37.240 or a fold It just means I want to talk 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:40.400 about that because I want to talk about insurance, and 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:42.120 I want to talk about my rent, and I want 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:43.839 to talk about why my like I want to talk 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:48.120 about those things. And I think sometimes we focus on 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:51.400 issues over here, like the culture war issues. They get 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:54.600 us so riled up and mad that we forget to 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:57.160 pivot to the fact that people are paying you know, 0:13:57.240 --> 0:13:59.440 the sciantists under the scientists, insurance rates have gone up 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:01.880 I think a hundred And I keep mentioning an insurance 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:04.520 because everyone pays that. And I don't care if you're 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:06.240 a different count or a a Republican you don't like an 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:09.240 insurance rates going up. And in Florida we are especially 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:11.560 sensitive to it because we're the highest in the country. 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:14.880 All this beachfront property, all these hurricanes that hit, and 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:17.360 I think that we need to concentrate on those issues. 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:20.520 And I think we also and climate change that cuts 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:23.400 across a lot of aisles in Florida, because in Florida 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:26.680 even Republicans want their water to be nice, and we 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:29.200 have so many beaches and springs and all those things. 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:34.320 But I think sometimes people don't understand what Florida is right, 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:38.680 So Florida is more than just Miami, Fort Laidadale, West 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:42.960 Palm Beach, Tampa, Jacksonville, Orlando. Florida is a lot of 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:48.160 rural counties where Democrats get smoked. And we do very 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:51.520 well in eight to ten counties, but there's sixty seven 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:53.920 counties in Florida, and we do very badly in the 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:55.600 other counties. And we've got to figure out a way 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:57.200 to get into that. And I think part of the 0:14:57.200 --> 0:15:00.040 messaging I just told you is the way to do it. 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:03.560 But think about who's moving to Florida. Florida has no 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:06.480 income tax. We're one of the lowest tax states in 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:10.880 the country. You know who's moving to Florida, retirees that 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:13.800 are escaping high taxes. Guess what you ought to be 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:16.640 talking to them about now, don't be talking to them 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:20.720 about economic issues. They also don't come they're not Democrats, 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:23.280 like people are moving here, are escaping high taxes. They're 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:25.320 not our voters. To start with but you can get 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:28.400 to them if you can convince them. Look, Republicans have 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:31.360 run the state of Florida for twenty years. What have 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:34.480 they done. They've made it unaffordable. You know, They've spent 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:37.600 money on everything but the environment. They've made the you know, 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:40.320 they've done all these other things that maybe you ought 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:42.240 to give the Democrats a shot, but I think we 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:45.480 spend a lot of time. Let me give an example. 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:47.880 You don't think critical race theory the ban on? It 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:49.360 pisses me off, And that's all I want to talk 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:53.320 about it is. It's infuriating, as frustrating, as terrible. 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Let me 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:15.560 push back a bit because the issue I think with 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:19.760 regard to the culture wars and who is pushing right 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:23.760 and lighting up and adding fuel to the fire. Are 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:26.879 Republicans right? And so you're and I agree with you 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:31.360 because they are using the LGBTQ community, the black community, 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:35.199 the Latin X community, and others as their scapegoats for 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:37.159 what it is that they're not doing and have no 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:41.520 intention of doing. But when they bring these issues up, 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:46.280 do you think that it is Democrats that need to 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:50.200 address it and pivot or not address it at all. 0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:53.280 Because this is because this is where I find the issue. 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:56.080 If you have roun de santists that is using Florida, 0:17:56.160 --> 0:18:00.600 for instance, as a petri dish to test not policies 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:03.359 that they want to see nationalize, like for instance, that 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:06.600 don't say gay bill, and Democrats don't have a proper 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:11.280 response to that, then are we just allowing them to 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:14.639 run away again with the narrative If we're like the 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:19.320 state of Florida rally together to allow you know, felons 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:22.159 who had served their time to be reinstated to be 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:24.879 able to vote, and then a bunch of Republicans in 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:29.240 the state House decide, now the people voted against the 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:32.080 people voted for this, we don't care. We're overturning it. 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:35.399 If we don't talk about the attacks on black voters 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:39.040 in particular, right, then like are we missing the marks? 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:42.119 So is there a way that you have seen or 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:44.959 you see that we can do both? And because I 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:47.240 believe that we can walk and chew gum at the 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:50.359 same time, I don't think, yeah, you're right, it's pivot. 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:52.480 You gotta address it, pivot, because if you don't address it, 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:54.560 your voters are going to look at you like, well, 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:57.280 what are we doing here where everybody is trash? But 0:18:57.520 --> 0:19:01.040 it is addressing in pivot. And you know, I do 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:04.600 a lot of my independent research in the black barbershop, 0:19:05.080 --> 0:19:07.960 so I test out a lot of these messages. And 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:12.840 you know, the Santis is somewhat popular, as is Trump, 0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:15.840 which is very strange because they give them so much 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:19.080 credit for economic stuff, and they give the Santas so 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:22.520 much credit for reopening the state so fast. And so 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:24.560 I asked, well, what about this critical race theory band? 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:26.480 Y'all cool with that? And they're like, no, it's bad, 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:30.400 but I'm glad this barbershop was open. See, so you're 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:32.760 it proves I think exactly what you're saying. We got 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:35.359 we gotta talk about the critical race band, but we 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:38.000 also got to pivot to the fact, well he was 0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:40.280 he didn't give enough unemployment check, so none of y'all 0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:42.479 were able to keep your job if you got fired. 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:46.359 And you know, three hundred thousand people died needlessly because 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:49.000 he opened the state too. That's you gotta be able 0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:53.680 to do both, like you said, because often it's you 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:55.359 gotta be able to do both because if we spend 0:19:55.359 --> 0:19:56.960 too much time in one or the other. I don't 0:19:56.960 --> 0:19:58.720 think we're getting the job done, but you do have 0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:03.160 to do both totally gree You know, the the point 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:07.080 of your organization right is to identify the fact that 0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:10.680 we are living in a time or have probably always 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:14.200 been where profiteers right are able to create these kind 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:17.800 of smear campaigns to come in and hoodwink the American 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:21.840 people to falling for their ropadope. You talked about Florida being, 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:24.480 you know, the land of retirees, which we all know that, 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:26.840 but you have a Republican Party that is saying that 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:28.560 we're going to take away your social we want to 0:20:28.680 --> 0:20:31.359 end you know, quote unquote entitlements, we want to get 0:20:31.480 --> 0:20:34.520 rid of Social Security, we want to get rid of Medicaid. 0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:38.720 So in that respect, what kind of messaging do you 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:43.280 think we need to have right in your state that 0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:46.440 gets people to pay attention? Because it's scares the hell 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:48.560 out of me. I got to tell you that the 0:20:48.600 --> 0:20:51.280 Republican Party under Donald Trump is able to peel off 0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:54.760 fifteen percent of the fifteen percent of blackmails. That to 0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:58.320 me is terrifying. I don't know if that's just the 0:20:58.359 --> 0:21:01.159 alignment with white supremacy. I don't know if that's self hatred. 0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:03.439 I don't know what it is. And maybe you know 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:07.600 from your you know, from your anecdotal research, because like I, 0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:09.760 for one, I have never met those brothers and I 0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:11.919 don't know, and I don't think I ever will. But 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:16.040 I'm concerned about the peel off right because they're not 0:21:16.119 --> 0:21:19.920 actively trying to go after these groups. It's just trying 0:21:19.920 --> 0:21:25.000 to peel off enough to upset democrats. I heard a 0:21:25.040 --> 0:21:28.120 comment in the barbershop again that was fascinating to me, 0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:31.159 and it was one that I dismissed as soon as 0:21:31.160 --> 0:21:32.719 I heard it, But the more I thought about it, 0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:35.280 the more it worried me, because I think there's some 0:21:35.320 --> 0:21:38.160 truth to it. And there's a barber. There's a barber 0:21:38.160 --> 0:21:40.960 in the barbershop with a maccaht literally, and you know, 0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:44.199 sometimes the barbershop is just about trolley, you know. And 0:21:44.240 --> 0:21:46.040 I told the brothers, I wish you could just arguing 0:21:46.040 --> 0:21:48.200 about Lebron and Jordan like normal. I'm tired of talking 0:21:48.200 --> 0:21:50.320 about politics every time I come in here, but that's 0:21:50.320 --> 0:21:54.359 where it goes to. And this guy said, Sean, both 0:21:54.480 --> 0:21:58.000 parties treat black folks bad. Just talk to me about 0:21:58.000 --> 0:22:00.680 the one that's going to do the most my business 0:22:01.000 --> 0:22:03.080 and the one that's gonna help me build money to 0:22:03.200 --> 0:22:05.760 the best. Both of y'all got problems when it comes 0:22:05.760 --> 0:22:08.960 to treating black folks right, And I of course got defensive, 0:22:09.000 --> 0:22:11.159 and I said, you know, well, Democrats have done this. 0:22:11.320 --> 0:22:14.480 And when I got home, you know, the more I 0:22:14.520 --> 0:22:16.720 thought about it, the more I think that might explain 0:22:17.359 --> 0:22:21.439 that some of that Trump stuff. And because you know, 0:22:21.480 --> 0:22:23.280 all Trump tried to talk about, even though he didn't 0:22:23.280 --> 0:22:25.680 do it, was economy and wealth and that kind of stuff. 0:22:25.720 --> 0:22:28.399 But it is scary. I'm like you, I'm scared. And 0:22:28.840 --> 0:22:31.280 if I had the answer to that in Florida, I'd 0:22:30.760 --> 0:22:35.600 be a very rich man. But I'm still convinced it 0:22:35.720 --> 0:22:41.480 is about economic issues at its core. And because you know, 0:22:41.520 --> 0:22:44.560 I named my organization People over Profits, because you know, 0:22:44.600 --> 0:22:47.480 my entire career has been built really on pushing back 0:22:47.840 --> 0:22:50.919 on corporate greed. Of course, I talk about black folks 0:22:50.920 --> 0:22:53.720 issues a lot, but I am convinced that no matter 0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:58.720