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Speaker 3: dot com. Let's get to Tesla, shall we, Because this

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Speaker 3: is in terms of some of the fallout overseas, and

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Speaker 3: actually this is the curiosity of as.

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Speaker 1: Elon becomes more political.

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Speaker 3: Yes, as wealth is extraordinary and all of that, how

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Speaker 3: much of it, if it declines, will affect his overall performance,

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Speaker 3: his doge image and all of that. Yeah, I genuinely

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Speaker 3: have no idea. I tend to think Tesla is still

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Speaker 3: his baby. It's the center of gravity of all of

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Speaker 3: his net worth and power. But maybe he just doesn't

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Speaker 3: care anymore. He's realized in enough gains he doesn't care

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Speaker 2: So Tesla I was looking makes up about a third

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Speaker 2: I mean the stock price is way dounk. Put this

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Speaker 2: really I saw someone describe it.

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Speaker 4: It's basically like a meme stock.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the valuation doesn't really comport with reality anyway.

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Speaker 2: And now they have this huge drop in sales, and

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Speaker 2: that's part of what is driving this drop in terms

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Speaker 2: of the stock price. Let's put the next piece up

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Speaker 2: on the screen so I can explain more of the

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Speaker 2: numbers behind the drop in sales. In Europe in particular,

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Speaker 2: Tesla sales have dropped almost by half forty five percent

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Speaker 2: it actually has dropped by half year over year. So

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Speaker 2: back in January of twenty twenty four they sold some

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Speaker 2: fifteen one and thirty Tesla's in the EU. This year

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Speaker 2: it was only seven one thousand, five hundred and seventeen.

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Speaker 2: Now you may say, okay, well, maybe EV sales overall

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Speaker 2: are declining. Not so ev sales year over year are

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Speaker 2: actually up. It's just Tesla sales which are way down.

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Speaker 2: I do think a lot of it has to do

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Speaker 4: And you have to remember he weighed in.

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Speaker 2: I mean, obviously he's like controlling our entire political system

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Speaker 2: at this point, but he also intervened in Germany, and

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Speaker 2: the sales in Germany are down something like sixty three percent,

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Speaker 2: so it's an even greater drop. He also was meddling

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Speaker 2: and there's been sort of a general European rejection of

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Speaker 4: Most of them are liberal or lefties.

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Speaker 2: So to have someone who is so closely associated themselves

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Speaker 2: that's going to be problem for the Tesla brand. Now,

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Speaker 2: there are some other factors that I think play into

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Speaker 2: then the other one is people are potentially waiting for

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Speaker 2: But I don't think it's deniable at this point that

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Speaker 2: And of course they also have just become this very

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Speaker 2: Significant to his net worth. But I wish I thought

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Speaker 2: And I do think his primary at this point ideological

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Speaker 2: I don't know if this is going to mean anything.

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Speaker 1: To him or not very possible. I'm not sure.

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Speaker 3: the Chinese evs, because I saw a video of him

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Speaker 3: just talking about how good they are and about why

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Speaker 3: he's like, without tariffs and if we have pure capitalism,

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Speaker 3: he's like, we're going to get destroyed in this market.

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Speaker 3: So I'm actually really curious see if we can try

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Speaker 3: They cut a lot of their prices for this this.

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Speaker 3: If there is lessening demand, it could feed more into

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Speaker 3: opposed to every other company. There's still big questions as

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Speaker 1: That are there.

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Speaker 3: It's actually a big open question as to whether Elon

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Speaker 3: we even want those.

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Speaker 4: Evns, wants them to go away, and in this.

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Speaker 3: Right because it would subsidize the competition, which, let's be honest,

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Speaker 3: not as good and has way bigger production problems. So

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Speaker 3: it's much more of a subsidy for Ford, GM and

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Speaker 2: No, I think he sees it as a benefit, yeah,

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Speaker 4: Credits to go away.

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Speaker 2: That is hurting his competitors more than it hurts him.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I do think it's important to remember,

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Speaker 2: like Tesla benefited from huge amounts of government cash. They

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Speaker 2: were really on the verge of going under, and Elan

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Speaker 2: personally begged the Obama administration the elans the emails that

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Speaker 2: Released of him really hat in hand, like we have

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Speaker 2: The other thing I didn't realize, this is all from

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Speaker 2: those Washington Post reporting. The other thing I didn't realize

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Speaker 4: And it's not just federal.

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Speaker 2: A lot of that is state too, because California, of

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Speaker 2: course has very stringent emission requirements, and so Tesla as

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Speaker 2: an EV zero emissions. They can then sell their credits

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Speaker 2: to other automakers who need to, you know, be able

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Speaker 2: to lower their emissions, so they they sell and trade

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Speaker 2: these credits on the market. That makes up about a

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Speaker 2: third of their revenue. In fact, the first year that

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Speaker 2: these state and federal credits that they were able to sell. So,

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is really the story of Elon. He

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Speaker 2: benefited massively from government taxpayer subsidies, dollars, loans, contracts, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: But now that he's made it into this post position,

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Speaker 2: that other companies can't also benefit from that kind of

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Speaker 2: industrial policy, which is why he would be perfectly happy

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Speaker 2: thinks that will hobble his competitors here domestically. Now, I'm

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Speaker 2: sure what he doesn't want to see the go away

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Speaker 2: are the ban.

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Speaker 4: On importing BYD's.

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Speaker 2: I think that he will make sure that that restriction

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Speaker 3: For me, it's out about this, It's just it's true.

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Speaker 3: We just can't allow that if we're going to destroy

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Speaker 3: And I don't begrudge the Chinese, you know good. If anything,

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Speaker 3: We should absolutely study it and see what we can

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Speaker 3: do to copy it. But yeah, I mean, this is

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Speaker 3: not even about Tesla. I'm just like, we cannot let

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, No, I don't even I don't disagree with you.

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Speaker 2: I don't even disagree with elon getting that loan at

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Speaker 2: Tesla aut a time when he needed it, because I no,

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Speaker 2: I think it should have come with requirements for like

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Speaker 4: Do you unionize? And things like that.

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Speaker 2: What I object to is that the industrial policy he

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Speaker 2: any case, there's another piece of this that is really important,

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Speaker 2: which is Ryan and Dropsite did a fantastic job breaking

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Speaker 2: the story about this supposed four hundred million dollar contract

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Speaker 2: for armored Tesla's coming out of the State Department. So

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Speaker 2: you know, they just looked at like the list of

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Speaker 2: and lo and behold it is for Tesla's four in

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Speaker 2: State Department. So let's put the story up on the screen.

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Speaker 2: This was Ryan's original story, now updated. It says armored

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Speaker 2: Tesla was forecast to win four hundred million dollar State

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Speaker 4: Well, Ryan's reporting seems to spike the deal.

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Speaker 3: Let's blow this last one up here from USAID. This

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Speaker 1: In our mind. This isn't the biggest scandal, but it

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Speaker 2: It's just important to realize how many whether this was

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Speaker 4: To a significant competitor.

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Speaker 2: We don't know, And maybe it was none of those.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's get to the Golden Visa. I felt

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Speaker 1: I will give you some analysis. Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 5: Does this reflect a view on your port that the

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Speaker 1: Okay, So let me just go off on this a

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Speaker 3: Of the company the countries that currently have so called

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Speaker 1: This is not a novel idea.

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Speaker 3: It already exists across Europe and most Caribbean nations. So

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Speaker 3: Now what do all of these countries have in common.

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Speaker 1: All of these are held.

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Speaker 3: Specifically by the types of shady characters that we don't

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Speaker 3: that's my long screed. The Golden Visa is a preposterous

439
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Speaker 3: and stupid idea. The current Investment Visa is plenty fine

440
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Speaker 3: because it actually requires business investment, which would allow job

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Speaker 3: creation and all of that to happen. That's the way

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Speaker 3: that Australia and a few other countries do it. But

443
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Speaker 3: even then again, I have seen this program so perverted

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Speaker 3: by the ultra rich, like Olive art class.

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Speaker 1: And in America.

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Speaker 3: If we're going to sell our passport, this is my

447
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Speaker 3: final thing, we need to be a much bigger number

448
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Speaker 3: than five. It needs to be like a hundred, and

449
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,359
Speaker 3: that money needs to have a proven track record of

450
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Speaker 3: actually going to its citizens. And they shouldn't be allowed

451
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Speaker 3: to buy up a shit ton of real estate. So

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Speaker 3: that's the end of my long runt. I just think

453
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Speaker 3: it's disaster. It will massively if this were to go

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Speaker 3: into effect. Can you imagine the real estate markets in

455
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Speaker 3: Los Angeles, in Chicago, in Miami, here in Washington, d C.

456
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Speaker 3: What do you think these people are going to do?

457
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Speaker 3: American real estate is the gold standard market of the world.

458
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Speaker 3: That's why they already parked their cash here through all

459
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Speaker 3: these shady LLCs. We don't need your money, you know,

460
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Speaker 3: we don't need you you know at all. You guys

461
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Speaker 3: can stay in cibrists or wherever the hell you're from.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, this is another This is like sort

463
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Speaker 2: of an extractive parasite class of global elites. And to

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Speaker 2: your point, I'll just add this. In Spain they actually

465
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Speaker 2: have rolled back their Golden visa program, which was initially

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Speaker 2: put into place in like twenty thirteen. And the reason

467
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Speaker 2: that it became really unpopular and they rolled it back

468
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Speaker 2: is because of exactly what you said. It was associated

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Speaker 2: with like criminality and money laundering, and it helped you

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Speaker 2: drive up the already high prices of housing in major cities. So,

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Speaker 2: I mean, this has already been somewhat of a problem

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Speaker 2: in places like Miami and New York, where so many

473
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Speaker 2: of the condos are just permanently vacant because they're owned

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Speaker 2: by these various oligarch like billionaires from around the world

475
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Speaker 2: who are never there. So it really does sort of

476
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Speaker 2: you know, strip the vitality out of communities. It drives

477
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Speaker 2: housing prices up and encourages and facilitates illegal activity.

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Speaker 4: So not a great direction.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just can't stand it, you know, I was

480
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Speaker 3: thinking about it if you want to now I don't.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying everybody should be able to retire or whatever.

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Speaker 3: But in the most beautiful place in America, I acknowledge

483
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Speaker 3: supply and command. But when you look at the most

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Speaker 3: at the Crown jewel places in the United States, places

485
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Speaker 3: like La Joya in San Diego, and the average home

486
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Speaker 3: price is like seven.

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Speaker 1: Million dollars, You're like, okay, so who the fuck are you?

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Speaker 3: You know, it's like and you start digging into it, yeah,

489
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Speaker 3: and you're like, oh, so a bunch of Saudi's own this,

490
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Speaker 3: this and this same thing.

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Speaker 1: In Beverly Hills.

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Speaker 3: They literally make a joke about it over there about

493
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Speaker 3: all the people there are from Saudi Arabia or who

494
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Speaker 3: are foreign nationals who'd use it as some sort of plaything.

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Speaker 1: Do you think it should be a plaything? My modest

496
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Speaker 1: ask is it should be.

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Speaker 3: A plaything at least of American entrepreneurs, okay, and not

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Speaker 3: necessarily of the global elite class.

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Speaker 1: We've basically same with Miami. I love Miami. I think

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Speaker 1: it's a cool place. Wouldn't want to live there, but

501
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Speaker 1: it's nice.

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Speaker 3: Should it really just be the playground of South American

503
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Speaker 3: criminals and or like oligarchs who are afraid that the

504
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Speaker 3: Argentinian or Brazilian government could fall and seize their money

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Speaker 3: at any time.

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Speaker 1: No, yeah, it's not right. And then people what happens.

507
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Speaker 3: You start to get pushed out more and more and more,

508
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Speaker 3: and your city just becomes like a haven and extractive

509
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Speaker 3: place where people drive in from the burbs to serve

510
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Speaker 3: some Chilean oligarch.

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Speaker 1: It's like, that's not how America is.

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Speaker 3: Not a thing works, it's not a real city, has

513
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Speaker 3: no character and that or it becomes like ultra segregated

514
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Speaker 3: and in some sort what's that movie I'm thinking of

515
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Speaker 3: the Matt Damonfield Elysium, Elysium, it becomes some sort of

516
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Speaker 3: elysium type place. That's already the case in my opinion

517
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Speaker 3: for all of America's gray cities. They're completely unaccessible to

518
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Speaker 3: even people in the top five percent, let alone the

519
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Speaker 3: top two percent of wealth.

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Speaker 1: It's outrageous.

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Speaker 3: So that's my my modest proposal is America should be

522
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Speaker 3: a place that Americans can afford and or have, like

523
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Speaker 3: somewhat aspirations to Beverly Hills, San Diego, all these other places.

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Speaker 1: Good luck. You know, it's like it's it's not going

525
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Speaker 1: to happen.

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Speaker 3: You could be filthy rich and you're still competing against

527
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Speaker 3: some Saudi prints.

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Speaker 1: I just don't think it's right.

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Speaker 3: And that's the problem I have with this Golden Visa program.

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Speaker 3: And as you said, a lot of the places that

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Speaker 3: have implemented them, they hate the type of people that

532
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Speaker 3: end up buying this.

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Speaker 2: It's been Portugal hasn't liked it either. The EU is

534
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Speaker 2: really discouraging it because.

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Speaker 3: Right because you're selling access to the European Union.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you're just basically selling out your country. And

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Speaker 2: then it also has not like raised that if Trump's

538
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Speaker 2: all it's going to raise trili I No, it's not

539
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Speaker 2: like that has also not panned out in any of

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Speaker 2: the countries that I've tried it.

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Speaker 3: What's about so I don't need some Russian oligarch or

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Speaker 3: whatever coming over here and buying even more property in

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Speaker 3: Williamsburg or Tribeca or Manhattan. Those places are plenty expensive.

544
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Speaker 3: As it is anyway, all right, So that my rant

545
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 3: is over. Screw the Golden visa. We don't need it.

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Speaker 3: You guys can stay wherever you are. Let's get to Southwest.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So, air travel has been obviously a consistent concern over

549
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Speaker 2: the past several months and even going back years, we've

550
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 2: been tracking how the decline and air safety and how

551
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Speaker 2: nervous people are now to fly. And this image I'm

552
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 2: about to show you is not going to make you

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Speaker 2: any less nervous.

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Speaker 4: Let's put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 2: This is a near collision as the Southwest plane is

556
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Speaker 2: landing at Chicago Midway Airport and just as it's about

557
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Speaker 2: to touch on the ground, it has to pull back

558
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Speaker 2: up to avoid this frickin private jet that then is

559
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Speaker 2: taxiing down the runway in front of it. So quick

560
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Speaker 2: thinking and quick acting by this Southwest pilot.

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Speaker 4: Kudos to them.

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Speaker 2: You can see it here in slow mo just how

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Speaker 2: close they are to a horrific collision. But that was

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Speaker 2: not the only incident where this occurred. Within ninety minutes,

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Speaker 2: and we could put this next piece up on the

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Speaker 2: screen with some of the details here. Within the span

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Speaker 2: of ninety minutes on Tuesday, morning. Two airplanes, one at

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Speaker 2: Reagan National which was just the site of that horrific

569
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Speaker 2: deadly passenger plane crash just a couple weeks ago, and

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Speaker 2: the one we just showed you at Chicago's Midway International Airport.

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Speaker 2: Both were forced to abort landings to avoid collisions, according

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Speaker 2: to Federal aviation officials. So an American Airlines flight that

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Speaker 2: was arriving at National Airport from Boston was making its

574
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Speaker 2: final descent, suddenly had to cancel its landing, climbed toward

575
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Speaker 2: the skies, accelerated away from the airport. The last minute

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Speaker 2: move allowed it to avoid colliding with another plane that

577
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Speaker 2: was about to take off from the same runway, And

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Speaker 2: that's according to the FAA. The airplanes pilots were told

579
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Speaker 2: to scrap the landing by an air traffic controller to

580
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Speaker 2: ensure separation was maintained. And then the incident that you

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Speaker 2: just saw around eight fifty am Central time, the pilots

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Speaker 2: of suth West Airlines flight two five oh four, traveling

583
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Speaker 2: from Omaha had to cancel the planes landing at Chicago

584
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Speaker 2: Midway after a business gent entered the runway without authorization.

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Speaker 2: So two insane and terrifying incidents like I said, kudos

586
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Speaker 2: to both of those pilots for being able to make

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Speaker 2: those maneuvers. My understanding is the one that you saw

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Speaker 2: in midway was a bit of a closer call than

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Speaker 2: the other one, but both of them, it's like, what

590
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Speaker 2: the hell is going on here? And in addition, Katie Pavlich,

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Speaker 2: who can put this up on the screen, She was

592
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Speaker 2: on a flight headed to some conference and she says

593
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Speaker 2: her flight was just about to take off and the

594
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Speaker 2: pilot slammed on the brakes upon departure. We were secreents

595
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Speaker 2: from being off the ground. Terrifying incident, apparently, Saga. She

596
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Speaker 2: updated and said this was some sort of a mechanical

597
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Speaker 2: issue or failure. I don't know what the hell is

598
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Speaker 2: going on. Of course, you know this comes amid the backdrop.

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Speaker 4: Of air traffic.

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Speaker 2: The FAA has not been immune from DOGE cuts. They

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Speaker 2: say that they aren't firing any air traffic controllers, but

602
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,479
Speaker 2: a lot of the support staff, it's been reported, have

603
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 2: been some of the support staff have been let go.

604
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Speaker 2: You've got now DOGE engineers are sorry, Yeah, SpaceX engineers

605
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 2: affiliated with elon running around this place and continuing to

606
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 2: have terrifying incidents like this. The air trave There are

607
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Speaker 2: has been a shortage of thousands of air traffic controllers

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Speaker 2: for years now. You know, I have no doubt that

609
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Speaker 2: there are some federal government agencies that should and could

610
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Speaker 2: be trimmed down and you know, too much staff or whatever.

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Speaker 2: The FAA is not one of them. This is one

612
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 2: where you really need to staff up, you really need

613
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Speaker 2: to invest because air travel safety matters to people, and

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Speaker 2: all of these incidents are horrifying.

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Speaker 3: Well, what's interesting about air travel is, if you think

616
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Speaker 3: about it, it's got the it's got a very different

617
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Speaker 3: permission structure than almost everything else.

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Speaker 1: The number of acceptable accidents is what zero.

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Speaker 3: It's so even with a failure rate of like minute percentile,

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Speaker 3: it's still too high.

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Speaker 1: And it's one of the those where you need to

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Speaker 1: have the hundreds of.

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Speaker 3: Billions of dollars that flow through the airlines, and that

624
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Speaker 3: the bedrock of like international travel and all is built

625
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Speaker 3: on is when you get on a plane, it's not

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Speaker 3: a problem.

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Speaker 1: And so that's why even events like this.

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Speaker 3: Or like nine to eleven for example, can wipe out

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Speaker 3: an entire sector of the economy. And it's one of

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Speaker 3: those it's just fundamentally different. I mean, you and I

631
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Speaker 3: are a business, like we operate on a very different

632
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Speaker 3: risk profile, right, Like we can absorb various different hits,

633
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Speaker 3: or we can think and take risks, et cetera. You

634
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Speaker 3: can even do that in a car. As a society,

635
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Speaker 3: we've just taken and accepted like we're going to have

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Speaker 3: like X amount of fatalities a year, and like that

637
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 3: is what it is. But it's different for airlines just

638
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Speaker 3: because it's like control thing in terms of who's in power,

639
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 3: but also just because if you started to see like

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00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 3: cascading events and all that, it would remove and stuck complete.

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Speaker 1: Trust out of the system. So that's where I worry

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Speaker 1: about the most.

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Speaker 3: And I just think, what we're watching here, it's not

644
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Speaker 3: a doze issue, because this is like a decade long thing.

645
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 3: It's about lack of prioritization by the government. It is

646
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 3: also a lot of privatization and financialization in the airline sector,

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00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 3: a lack of oversight in over the probably the last

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Speaker 3: twenty years, like when we talk about mechanical failure and

649
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Speaker 3: all that, and it just culminates where it's kind of

650
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Speaker 3: like the Chinese EV thing. One day you just wake

651
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 3: up and you're like, oh shit, like maybe these planes

652
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 3: are not nearly as safe as they used to be.

653
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Speaker 3: So it both happened over a long period of time.

654
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Speaker 3: But it also wasn't that, you know, it wasn't that

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Speaker 3: long ago that we didn't have incidents or questions like

656
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 3: this all the time. It could be a matter of information,

657
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Speaker 3: but I do still think it's unacceptable to have things

658
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Speaker 3: where they are.

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Speaker 2: Right now, of course, and you know, the way it

660
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 2: relates to DOGE is because the whole ethos of DOGE

661
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 2: is privatization, is stripping the government down and outsourcing everything,

662
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 2: and that is the ideology that has led to the

663
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Speaker 2: FAA being so bare bones that you have that you're

664
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Speaker 2: short thousands of air traffic controllers. That is the mentality

665
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 2: that led the fa to basically outsource their own like

666
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 2: safety regulations to the industry where they're effectively like regulating

667
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 2: themselves and oh yeah, this plane is safe, no problem,

668
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 2: don't worry about it. That's the mentality and the ideology

669
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Speaker 2: that led us to that place. And now Dog has

670
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Speaker 2: put that ideology on steroids.

671
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Speaker 4: That's why it matters. And it's also you know, I mean,

672
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Speaker 4: this is.

673
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Speaker 2: A perfect emblem of as you were saying, soccer like

674
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 2: when you're running Twitter and you cut a huge proportion

675
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 2: of the staff, and the Twitter spaces with Ronda Santis

676
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 2: fails like, that's really bad for Rondo Santis and it

677
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 2: didn't did not help him. It was embarrassing for Elon.

678
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 2: It was really pathetic.

679
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Speaker 4: And then you know Trump does spaces as well, and

680
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Speaker 4: it also.

681
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 2: Didn't go all that well. But no one's going to die, right.

682
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 2: Some functions of government are absolutely critical. They're critical for

683
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 2: life and death. They're critical for food safety, they're critical

684
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 2: for veterans benefits. They're critical for you know, elderly people

685
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 2: who are relying on that Social Security check. They're critical

686
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 2: for moms who are shown up at the hospital have

687
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 2: a baby in horror on Medicaid. It shouldn't be run

688
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 2: like a business because sometimes the results of failure are

689
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 2: truly truly catastrophic. And so you know, this is a

690
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Speaker 2: primary emblem of that where the core ideology of privatization

691
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 2: and strip the government down that is being pushed by

692
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 2: Doge is exactly how we got to this place where

693
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Speaker 2: people are now second guessing air travel in a way

694
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 2: that has never been the case in my life. I mean,

695
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 2: I can speak for myself like I don't want to

696
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 2: get on a plane right now.

697
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Speaker 3: Well, because it's not just this, it's near misses, it's

698
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 3: the Boeing shit like blowout. It's like, I'm.

699
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 4: Not going to discribe it.

700
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: I still think people should get on a plane.

701
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Speaker 3: It's good for you. Get on a plane and go

702
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 3: and travel. I've flown plenty since all of these crazy things.

703
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: Am I clutching the thing a little bit more?

704
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 3: Am I looking over in the window just making sure

705
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 3: and be like, all right, you know what's going on here?

706
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 3: Every time we land even not.

707
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 4: Just makes it so much less of a pleasant experience.

708
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

709
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Speaker 4: I used to get on a plane not think about anything.

710
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Speaker 2: And they actually interviewed a dude who was on this

711
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 2: plane that had to quickly like take back off, the

712
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 2: one at Reagan National, and he was like, I was

713
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 2: already really nervous because of the crash that just happened

714
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 2: to here, and I was feeling the sense of like, Okay,

715
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 2: we're only we're two minutes to landing, Like we're almost there,

716
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 2: it's going to be fine.

717
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 4: He's kind of white white knuckling it.

718
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 2: And then just before they touched down, this sharp, you know, ascent,

719
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 2: and he's freaking out freaking out. I'm sure everybody on

720
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 2: that plane was absolutely freaking out, like what the hell

721
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 2: is going on? So yeah, it makes you so that

722
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 2: if you're on the fence, you're like, I don't really

723
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 2: want to sit there in terror for several hours.

724
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 4: I'm not really in the mood for that. I'm not

725
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 4: asdrennaline junkie.

726
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 3: It doesn't help that every single day I drive past

727
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 3: sixty six crosses or whatever, which is for all of

728
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 3: the people who died on that Reagan and flight. So

729
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 3: if you live in the DMV area, there's yeah, it's

730
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 3: it's like a literal I mean, it's a good thing,

731
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 3: you know, obviously, remember, Yeah, it's just every day I'm like, oh, man,

732
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 3: just see that there were actually planes come in.

733
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Speaker 2: There were actually a bunch of people from my little

734
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 2: town that have been coming back from a hunting trip.

735
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: Really that read about that, Yeah.

736
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 4: A hunting trip.

737
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 2: They were they were like contractors, like, you know, working

738
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 2: in the construction industry, and so yeah, that that hit

739
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 2: close to home.

740
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Speaker 4: For sure for a whole lot of people.

741
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 2: But you know, it just it gets into your head

742
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 2: and even though you could tell yourself the statistics, oh

743
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 2: it's safer than you know, you're more you're safer there

744
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 2: than you are driving in your car to get to

745
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 2: the airport or whatever.

746
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 4: But when you're up in the air, it's a different

747
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 4: kind of a vibe.

748
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 2: You want to know that, like, Okay, everything is locked

749
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 2: in and they got this under control.

750
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 3: Let's get onto Joe Biden. So this just had to

751
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 3: put this one on the show because it's like a

752
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 3: little bit too perfect in terms of the way that

753
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 3: this all works. So obviously, what was the greatest scandal

754
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,879
Speaker 3: of the Biden administration. If you're a Republican, you're gonna

755
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 3: be like, oh, Hunter Biden, It's like no, it was

756
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 3: the fact that this senile, dementia ridden old man was

757
00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 3: basically given a free pass up until six months before election. Yeah,

758
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 3: up until you melt it down in front of all

759
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 3: of our eyes, and that we basically had like some

760
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 3: shadow morons like Jake Sullivan and others run the entire

761
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 3: United States government. It was like, it was genuinely like

762
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 3: a Republican fever dream of reality. And yet now we're

763
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 3: allowed to talk about it, and that's perfect. In terms

764
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 3: of a new book that's being released has put this

765
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 3: up there on the screen. It was announced yesterday from

766
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 3: CNN's Jake Tapper and Axios's Alex Thompson. It's called original sin,

767
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 3: President Biden's decline, its cover up, and his disastrous choice

768
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 3: to run again. Okay, and actually, if you read the

769
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:45,439
Speaker 3: book Jacket, it's even more shocking because they talked specifically

770
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 3: on the back of the book where they're like, it

771
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 3: wasn't a bad debate, it wasn't a cold. It was

772
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 3: a systematic campaign to cover up. Yeah, here I have

773
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 3: it in front of me. What the world saw in

774
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty four debate was not an anomaly. It

775
00:36:58,680 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 3: was not a cold. It was not someone who was

776
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 3: under or over prepared. It was not someone who was

777
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 3: just a little tired. It was the natural result of

778
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 3: an eighty one year old man whose capabilities had been

779
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 3: diminished for years. Biden, his family, and his team let

780
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,280
Speaker 3: their self interest in fear of another Trump term justify

781
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 3: an attempt to put, at times an old man in.

782
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: The Oval office for four more years. What was the

783
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: extent of it? Who knew?

784
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 3: Was it a conspiracy? We will let the facts speak

785
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 3: for themselves. They say it was based on two hundred

786
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 3: interviews with Biden, officials. So I want to split the

787
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 3: difference here for Alex Thompson, as people know, we had

788
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 3: Alex Thompson on the show Legit Dude. Now, did he

789
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 3: call out the Biden stuff as much as I would

790
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 3: have liked?

791
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 4: No?

792
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 3: But was he ever denying the reality of Joe Biden

793
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 3: being an adult old man?

794
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,720
Speaker 1: Also? No, he took it seriously.

795
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 3: He did a lot of reporting about it, and actually

796
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 3: he was one of the only critical Biden reporters the

797
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 3: entire time about how shit was really going on in

798
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 3: the inside and about how people were terrified really of

799
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 3: Biden's age. And so when Biden dropped out of the race,

800
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 3: he was a go to for here on this show

801
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 3: for a lot of other people. Tapper, though, is a

802
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 3: whole other story in terms of CNN and how they

803
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 3: treated the Biden age allegations until it became undeniable.

804
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: We're gonna show people a clip in a little bit.

805
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 3: But I just think it's ridiculous that Tapper is acting

806
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 3: as if he was some sort of like lone voice

807
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 3: out there trying to tell the truth when he was

808
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 3: just as complicit in attacking people who were bringing up

809
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 3: Biden's age as all these other idiots in the mainstream media.

810
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,720
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna read the book. I'll be honest and honestly.

811
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Speaker 4: Jake's gonna be a blockbuster.

812
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 1: Jake, please still come on the show.

813
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 3: I want to talk to you that we could talk

814
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 3: about this base to face Alex.

815
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: I know it'll come on. Well, I at least I

816
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: hope so after all of this, But I don't.

817
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 3: I just feel like if it's a little too cute

818
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 3: right now to put something like this out there and

819
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 3: just act like you.

820
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Speaker 1: Had no idea the whole time.

821
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Speaker 3: Jake, You're one of the best source reporters in Washington, man, Like,

822
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 3: if you wanted to, you could have, but you just

823
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 3: decided not to.

824
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's for me the biggest question, because

825
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 2: we're going to show a clip that is really bad

826
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,439
Speaker 2: about him being oh he has a stutter, like, oh

827
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 2: my god.

828
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,479
Speaker 4: Anyone who engaged in that is like.

829
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 3: Yes, you're done if you believe that you're an idiot.

830
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 2: Well, in fairness, that was back in like twenty twenty

831
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 2: stupid early it was. I mean, obviously we know how

832
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 2: we covered the time, right we see, like it was

833
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 2: so obvious if you looked even in twenty twenty if

834
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 2: you compared him then to when he was vice president,

835
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,800
Speaker 2: it was very clear this was not about a stutter.

836
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 2: This was about this is an old man. And guess what,

837
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 2: aging only goes in one direction. You're not going to

838
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 2: get younger over the course of your time in the presidency.

839
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 2: So anyone who wanted to see the signs could see

840
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 2: the signs. But even beyond that, because he wasn't the

841
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 2: worst of the mainstream press in terms of you know,

842
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 2: covering up even into the you know, his presidency and

843
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 2: running for reelection whatever, there are some clips floating around

844
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Speaker 2: of him challenging Korean Jumpierre on his age and concerns

845
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 2: around that, et cetera. But I I think your point

846
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 2: is a really important one, which is that like you

847
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 2: are deeply entrenched in the firmament of DC, you are

848
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 2: very well sourced. You keep those relationships like did they

849
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 2: trick you?

850
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 4: Did you? Were you part of the cover up?

851
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 2: Like how did this get by you to the extent

852
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 2: that it did? When you know, the just regular Americans

853
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 2: across the country, Democrat, Republican, independent alike, were able to

854
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 2: more accurately understand the extent of his decline than the

855
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 2: Washington Press corps and Jake Tapper being one of them.

856
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 2: So that's that's my question here. Like you said that

857
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 2: being said, I'm going to read the book. I have

858
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 2: no doubt it's going to be a blockbuster. I know

859
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 2: probably Alex wanted to have Jake on it because it

860
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 2: will also like they'll get every media appearance like possibly

861
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 2: want to with this, and it's an extraord's it's kind

862
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 2: of amazing to me that it still is not seen

863
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 2: as it's the massive scandal that it truly was.

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Speaker 4: I mean, this was a gigantic cover up.

865
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Speaker 2: And if you're someone like me who's very upset about

866
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 2: Donald Trump being back in the White House, like you

867
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 2: should care the most deeply because I think if there

868
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 2: had been a democratic primary process that people have been

869
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,720
Speaker 2: allowed to run and they've been voters have been allowed

870
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 2: to truly make a choice, Democrats would have been a

871
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 2: much better position going into this election, and given the

872
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 2: closeness of the election, I think it's reasonable to say

873
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:30,720
Speaker 2: it's very likely they would have prevailed. So yeah, it's

874
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Speaker 2: you know, it's going to be interesting to read. It's

875
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Speaker 2: going to be interesting to see who knew what and when.

876
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Speaker 2: But I have some questions for Jake Tapper, like, for you,

877
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 2: what did you know and when? Why weren't you ask

878
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 2: them questions? Why weren't you really taking it seriously? Were

879
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 2: they just able to trick you? Or were you, you know,

880
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 2: part of sort of intentionally intentionally hiding just how bad

881
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 2: the extent of the decline truly was absolutely so.

882
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 3: With all that, let's take a listen to the tap

883
00:41:58,040 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 3: Equipment's from twenty twenty.

884
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: But this is him on Biden's age.

885
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 5: How do you think it makes little kids with stutters

886
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 5: feel when they see you make a comment like that.

887
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Speaker 7: First and foremost, I had no idea that Joe Biden

888
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 7: ever suffered from a stutter. I think what we see

889
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 7: on stage with Joe Biden Jake is very clearly a

890
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 7: cognitive decline.

891
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: That's what I'm referring to.

892
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 4: It makes me uncomfortable.

893
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 5: You are, No, that's so amazing. It's so amazing to

894
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 5: me that.

895
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 7: Try and figure out an answer a cognitive decline.

896
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:29,879
Speaker 1: You're trying to.

897
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 7: Tell me that what I was suggesting was I think.

898
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 5: That you were mocking his stutter. Yeah, I think you

899
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 5: were mocking his stutter. And I think you have absolutely

900
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 5: no standing to diagnose somebody's cognitive decline. I would think

901
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 5: that somebody in the prompt family would be more sensitive

902
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 5: to people who do do not have medical licenses diagnosing

903
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 5: politicians from Afar. Plenty of people have diagnosed your father

904
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 5: from Afar, and I'm sure it offends you, your father

905
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:57,720
Speaker 5: in law from a far I'm sure it defends you.

906
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 5: You don't have any standing to say.

907
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,240
Speaker 7: Noticing how what I'm saying just talking about a cognitive

908
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 7: the clusid.

909
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: I have one last question.

910
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 7: Feel are times on stage and it's very concerning to

911
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,280
Speaker 7: a lot of people that this could be the leader

912
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 7: of the free world.

913
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: That is all I'm saying.

914
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 7: I genuinely sorry for Joe.

915
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 5: I appreciate it.

916
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, how do those kids, those persons inflicted with stuttering feel?

917
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 3: But I just this is the sanctimony, the attitude that

918
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 3: pray it was. That's the problem is that people like

919
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 3: us and others, any reasonable person was able to just

920
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 3: be like, yeah, I don't think so. He's like he

921
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 3: miraculously had a stutter that materialized in twenty twenty, even

922
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 3: though he's been on a camera for forty five years.

923
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 3: And you know, I personally saw Joe Biden at a

924
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 3: campaign rally in twenty twelve. I remember that is the

925
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 3: Biden in my head, and I remember seeing him in

926
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,919
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen. Just be like, oh man, I attended Joe

927
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 3: Biden's as a journalist, very last speech as vice president

928
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 3: in twenty and sixteen, which again is in my head

929
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 3: three years later, and I was like, dude, this is

930
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 3: totally the different person back then, and you as he

931
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 3: was president. It was the most openly discussed thing by

932
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 3: anyone who was not connected to institutional media. And this

933
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 3: is the type of bullshit that they used to basically

934
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 3: silence and to smear people who were bringing up the

935
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 3: most obvious. So like, as you said, I'll buy the book, Okay.

936
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 1: Sorry, but I will buy it.

937
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 3: You got it all right, reew cops some of us, Yeah,

938
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 3: that's true, since we're since we're since, yeah, we can

939
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 3: probably get a free review cop. But maybe honestly, at

940
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 3: this point, I should just buy it after this point

941
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 3: of talking about it. But the point I guess of

942
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 3: all of it is just to say you had the

943
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 3: opportunity to know, you did definitely participate in all of this,

944
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 3: and don't be coming around here acting like here's some

945
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 3: you know. So you're Seymour hirsh or whatever sniffing out

946
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 3: the greatest story in the world, like you're not and

947
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 3: it's fine.

948
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 4: Did he engage in any cheap fakes?

949
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, surely I'm not.

950
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 3: I'm not one of those Twitter discourse guys who goes

951
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 3: back and you know, checks everybody's past posting history.

952
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: And all that. But on this one, I just think.

953
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,760
Speaker 3: It's egregious to act as if you were a forward

954
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 3: facing person with credibility. And I actually feel bad for

955
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 3: Thompson because he genuinely was on the story at the

956
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:17,720
Speaker 3: time as opposed to Tapper.

957
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 1: But I get it. It's Washington. You need to make

958
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 1: some money, so we wish you the best.

959
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 2: All right, we got one more media story for you,

960
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 2: guys that this is actually pretty significant. So Jeff Bezos

961
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 2: yesterday puts out this tweet indicating that he is going

962
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 2: to end the Washington Post tradition of publishing a range

963
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 2: of viewpoints on their opinion page and is only going

964
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 2: to basically push a pro Oligarch agenda exclusively. Not that

965
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 2: it's a surprise that that's Jeff Bezos's preference, but pretty

966
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 2: interesting to make it just completely brazen. So let's go

967
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 2: ahead and put this up on the screen. This is

968
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 2: the message that he sent to all the staff and

969
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 2: journalists at the Washington Posts, which of course he owns,

970
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 2: but also he put this out on Twitter. He says,

971
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Speaker 2: I'm learning to let you know about a change coming

972
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 2: to our opinion pages. We are going to be writing

973
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 2: every day in support and defense of two pillars, personal

974
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,240
Speaker 2: liberties and free markets. We'll cover other topics too, of course,

975
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 2: but viewpoints opposing those pillars will be left to be

976
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 2: published by others. There was a time when a newspaper,

977
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:25,919
Speaker 2: especially one that was a local monopoly, might have seen

978
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 2: it as a service to bring to the reader's doorstep

979
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 2: every morning a broad based opinion section that sought to

980
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 2: cover all views. But today the Internet does that job.

981
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 2: I am of America and for America, proud to be so.

982
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 2: Our country do not get here by being typical. Big

983
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 2: part of America's success has been freedom and economic realm

984
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 2: and everywhere else. Freedom is ethical, It minimizes coercion and practical.

985
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 2: It drives creativity, invention, and prosperity. I offered David Shipley,

986
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,760
Speaker 2: whom I greatly admired, the opportunity to lead this new chapter.

987
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 2: I suggested to him. If the answer wasn't hell, yes,

988
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 2: then it had to be no. After careful consideration, David

989
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 2: decided to step away. This is a significant shift. It

990
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 2: won't be easy. It will require one hundred percent commitment.

991
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,399
Speaker 2: I respect his decision. We'll be searching for a new

992
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 2: opinion editor to own this new direction. I am confident

993
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 2: that free markets and personal liberties are right for America.

994
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 2: I also believe these viewpoints are underserved in the current

995
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 2: market of ideas and news opinion. I'm excited for us

996
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 2: together to fill that void.

997
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 4: This makes me.

998
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 2: Basically short circuit, because what I want you to understand

999
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 2: is when Jeff Bezos, the owner of Amazon, talks about

1000
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 2: free markets and personal liberty, he doesn't mean, like you know,

1001
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 2: for example, the freedom of his workers to be able

1002
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 2: to form a union, or to go to the bathroom

1003
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 2: when they need to, his drivers to have enough of

1004
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 2: a break to not have to pee in a bottle

1005
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 2: while they're delivering packages. When he talks about free markets,

1006
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 2: he does not mean the type of free markets that

1007
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 2: would lead to Amazon being broken up. Because it's a

1008
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 2: gigantic monopoly that has rigged its own algorithms. That's not

1009
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 2: the kind of free markets that he's talking about. What

1010
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 2: he's talking about is for the ability of him and

1011
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 2: oligarch to have unbridled power and freedom for himself in

1012
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 2: unlimited coercion and exploitation. When it comes to you, that

1013
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 2: is the agenda that he is talking about pushing here,

1014
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 2: and it is you know, also quite noteworthy coming after

1015
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 2: he blought the endorsement of Kamala to try to curry

1016
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 2: favor with Trump. Is it Trump's inauguration. Its completely trying

1017
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 2: to suck up to him. And you know, Trump has

1018
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 2: obviously handed his administration over to the richest man on

1019
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 2: the entire planet, the preeminent oligarch of all oligarchs, and

1020
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 2: Bezos is basically saying, I'm going to get rid of

1021
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 2: any of these hippies and liberals who might criticize that

1022
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 2: direction and make sure that when the CFPB is gutted, they're.

1023
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 4: On board with it.

1024
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 2: When the National Labor Relations Board can't issue rulings as

1025
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 2: has been done, they're going to be on board with it.

1026
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 2: That's what this is actually all about.

1027
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 3: I completely agree. And the thing is with Bezos is

1028
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 3: I also just think there's a lot of elon envy

1029
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 3: going on here in terms of his personal jail, My

1030
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 3: analysis of Bezos is that he is humiliated by the

1031
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 3: whole democracy dies in the darkness stuff previously and or

1032
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 3: didn't pay attention either. Or he wants to fire many

1033
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 3: of the people who work for him who think he

1034
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 3: thinks are too woke or are embarrassing or whatever. But

1035
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 3: the problem is is he doesn't just come out and

1036
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 3: say it, and so he invents all of this kakamemi.

1037
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 1: Bullshit that we're all supposed to believe.

1038
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,399
Speaker 3: So, for example, we're no longer going to endorse any

1039
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 3: candidates miraculously in twenty twenty four, right, so we're going

1040
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 3: to create this principle standard when everyone's like, dude, we

1041
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 3: all know what you're doing here.

1042
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:50,320
Speaker 1: Same thing. Personal liberty and free markets.

1043
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 3: Okay, sheerly from a business perspective, If I want personal

1044
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 3: liberty and free market opinion page, who am I going

1045
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 3: to the Wall Street Journal or sorry, Jeff Bezos at

1046
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 3: the New Washington Post or the Wall Street Journal, which

1047
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 3: has a century of standing up and literally carving out

1048
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 3: this niche for itself, or the Financial Times. I'm pretty

1049
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 3: sure I'm gonna go for the latter, just as a consumer.

1050
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 3: So what in an office space, meme Euan Way, what

1051
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 3: do you do here? What is your purpose here? It's like,

1052
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 3: the purpose here is to serve your own personal end.

1053
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 3: And okay, that's fine, it's your right. You own the paper,

1054
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 3: you can do as you would like. But spare us

1055
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 3: your sanctimony, Spare us all this fakery, Spare us this

1056
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 3: idea that you care about personal liberty and free markets.

1057
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 3: You don't care about personal liberty. You're the second largest

1058
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 3: employer in the United States who routinely cycles through all

1059
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 3: of these people and discards them as trash, you know,

1060
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 3: as completely realigned our markets, lobbied against free market like

1061
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 3: true free market principles. I mean, just you know, stop,

1062
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 3: just stop this idea that you believe in free speech.

1063
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 3: Do you know how many conservative books and others were

1064
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 3: banned on Amazon remain banned actually up until I think

1065
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 3: two weeks ago. There was a Ryan Anderson, who is

1066
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 3: a guy who wrote a book about some transgender issues.

1067
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 3: His book was banned on Amazon for five years and

1068
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 3: only recently was reversed. Obviously as a result of this somebody,

1069
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, like it's capricious. It's done in a

1070
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 3: nature where it's all up to his own personal whims,

1071
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 3: So just Sparris, dude, Please let's stop pretending.

1072
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 2: Also, many people pointed out the irony of backing supposed

1073
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 2: personal liberty and free speech at a time when you're

1074
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 2: censoring your own on your own platform, saying those view

1075
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 2: points aren't going to be allowed here.

1076
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this is.

1077
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 3: Where I gets where cost you can employ who you want.

1078
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 3: Is that censorship?

1079
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 6: Like?

1080
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,919
Speaker 3: No, not really, But the point is is that you're

1081
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 3: doing it out originally, which what do you believe?

1082
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 1: That's what I come back to.

1083
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 3: Was it democracy died in the darkness, which you did

1084
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 3: under your leadership? Was it reversing the editorial direction and

1085
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 3: hiring a British tabloid guy to rebuild your business? Because

1086
00:51:58,360 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 3: if you want a new business, let me tell it,

1087
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 3: take it from somebody who owns a media company with you. Uh,

1088
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 3: don't do this. This is really stupid. Who's signing up

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Speaker 3: for it? Anybody who wants this viewpoint subscribes to the

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Speaker 3: Wall Street Journal, and why would they trust you? Anybody

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Speaker 3: who wants this Democracy dies in the Darkness stuff has

1092
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 3: already canceled and has decimated your subscription business. So you're

1093
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 3: using this effectively as a propagandistic tool to bolster your

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00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 3: own net worth and to curry favor. Okay, fine, you

1095
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,320
Speaker 3: know you're actually just in the right tradition of William

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00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 3: Randolphurst and all these other people from the days of old.

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Speaker 3: But they were a lot more explicit about it, whereas

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00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 3: you're trying to dress it up in all of this

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Speaker 3: principle and I'm, you know.

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Speaker 1: Holier than now. We will never just endorse one candidate

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Speaker 1: or another. It's like, oh my.

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Speaker 2: God, like to shut up for how after we don't

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00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 2: do enforcements anymore, people can decide for themselves.

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Speaker 4: Then they weighe in with.

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Speaker 1: Dustment exactly every cabinet You're exactly right, the cabinet texts.

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Speaker 3: It's like what and miraculously picked all the Washington choices

1107
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,720
Speaker 3: and then we're like, oh, no, RFK Junior or whatever.

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00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 3: Just so happens that Amazon it wants to be a

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00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 3: huge player in the healthcare space. Right, It's like this

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00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,240
Speaker 3: in the same way we can talk about with Elon.

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00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,760
Speaker 3: I mean, remember, also, the problem is the press always

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00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 3: comes to their defense and in a sense, like their

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00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 3: crocodile tears today are useless. I'm not talking about Jeff Stein,

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Speaker 3: but I mean you and I remember when Bernie Sanders

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00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 3: pointed out the Washington Post ownership by Bezos.

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Speaker 1: They were furious with him.

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Speaker 3: They have never acknowledged oligarchy whenever it was used as

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00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 3: a tool for the Capital D Democratic Party. It's only

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00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 3: now that they're willing to talk about a part the

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Speaker 3: reason a lot of people don't even take them seriously

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00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:41,760
Speaker 3: and think they're full of shit, which I think is fine,

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Speaker 3: But can we all just like come together now and

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00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 3: be like this is ridiculous. You know, this whole Bezos project,

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Speaker 3: the way that he uses the op ed page and all,

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Speaker 3: there's no noble you know, idea or any of this.

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Speaker 3: And if anything, Zuckerberg's contortia and Elon's like actions and

1127
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Speaker 3: bays us and all that.

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Speaker 1: Just it tells us what they're all about. So like,

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Speaker 1: let's just be honest.

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Speaker 2: That's the only soil lining is that it's no longer deniable.

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00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, I mean, because yeah, that Bernie

1132
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 2: thing really sticks in my craw because their coverage of

1133
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 2: Bernie Sanders was so negative and so dishonest, the like

1134
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 2: total smears and fake fact checks and all this stuff.

1135
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 2: And he said like, hey, maybe the fact that it's

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Speaker 2: owned by this very wealthy oligarch, maybe that has something

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Speaker 2: to do with their perspective on my democratic socialist approach.

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Speaker 2: How dare you, sir, suggest that the one of the

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00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 2: wealthiest people on the planet who owns the newspaper would

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Speaker 2: have any say over the nature of their coverage. It's like, okay,

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00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 2: all right, well, now we see, we see what the

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00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 2: reality is, we see what is entailed when you have

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00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 2: oligarch owned media, and he's just effectively coming out and

1144
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 2: saying it. So yeah, I think that is the one

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00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 2: silver lining is it is no longer in any way

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Speaker 2: deniable whatsoever. And you asked, what does Jeff Bezos actually believe?

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Speaker 4: We know what he believes.

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Speaker 2: He believes in hisself, his own self interest, Like whatever's

1149
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 2: good for him, that's what he believes in. That's why

1150
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 2: when he thought it was good for him to be

1151
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 2: part of the resistance and democracy dies in darkness, that's

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00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 2: how he positioned things. And now that he feels this

1153
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 2: vibe shift and he wants to career favor with the

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00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 2: Trump administration, like he doesn't give a shit about the

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00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:23,280
Speaker 2: Washington Post as a business venture. He cares about it

1156
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 2: as a tool for his own power, and that has

1157
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 2: always That is not new, that has always been the case.

1158
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 2: So same with Zuckerberg. You know when it's b but

1159
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:36,359
Speaker 2: it was cool to be woke.

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Speaker 4: He was woke.

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Speaker 2: Now he's moving his content moderation to Texas and he's

1162
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 2: wearing his chain and hanging out with Joe Rogan. What like.

1163
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Speaker 2: These people are shameless in service of their own power

1164
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 2: and their own self interest, and that is what's going

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Speaker 2: on here. Absolutely, let me just roll through the rest

1166
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Speaker 2: of these elements. We mentioned Jeff Stein, who you know,

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Speaker 2: fantastic economics reporter there. He says, massive encroachment by Jeff

1168
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 2: Bezos in the Washington Post opinion section today makes clear

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Speaker 2: dissenting views will not be published or tolerated there.

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Speaker 4: I still have not felt.

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Speaker 2: Encroachment on my journalism on the news side of coverage,

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Speaker 2: but if Bezos tries interfering with the news side, I

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00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 2: will be quitting immediately. And letting you know, Marty Baron

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00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 2: had weighed in before, previous editor in chief of the

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00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 2: Washington Post, very well known. We put this up on

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Speaker 2: the screen from the Daily Beast. He says, there is

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Speaker 2: no doubt in my mind that Bezos is doing this

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00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 2: on a fear of the consequences for his other business interests,

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Speaker 2: Amazon source of his wealth, and Blue Origin, which represents

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00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 2: his lifelong passion for space exploration. Baron wrote Wednesday, he

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00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 2: has prioritized those commercial interests over the Post, and he

1182
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 2: is betraying the post long standing principles in order to

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00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 2: do so. I think that is fairly undeniable at this point.

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Speaker 2: And he also points out which I didn't even realize.

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Speaker 2: He says, it was only weeks ago the Post described

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Speaker 2: itself as providing coverage for quote all of America. Now

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00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 2: its opinion pages will be open to only some of America, though,

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00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:04,720
Speaker 2: who think exactly as he does. Also worth noting soccer

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Speaker 2: Amazon had floated that what forty million dollar Millennia documentary,

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Speaker 2: So also, you know, funneling cash into the First Ladies

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00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 2: Bank account to the Trump and the Trump family bank

1192
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 2: account there as well as one more way of careering

1193
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 2: favor the Trump administration. Pretty happy with this. You can

1194
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 2: put this tweet up on the screen. So this is

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00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 2: Stephen Chung's assistant is the President and White House Director

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00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 2: of Communications with the Little Grinch evil smile. In reply

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Speaker 2: to Jeff Bezos's note that he sent out here and

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Speaker 2: last piece I'll put up on the screen. This is

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Speaker 2: from Sarabamari, who actually writes a newsletter.

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Speaker 4: With Emily over at Unheard Ryan.

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Speaker 2: Emily had him on the show recently, and he says,

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Speaker 2: Jeff Bezos rebrands a Washington Post as the Billionaires think Tank.

1203
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 2: And he says, one of the world's richest men once

1204
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 2: his newspaper push policies that favor the rich. That's the

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00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 2: upshot of Jeff Bezos's announcement today. Henceforth, the Amazon boss

1206
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 2: decreed his paper's comment pages will promote libertarianism, quote free

1207
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Speaker 2: markets and personal liberty, and will not publish opinions contradicting

1208
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 2: these central principles. While the story has a dog bites

1209
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 2: man quality breaking tycoon prefers low taxes and weak unions,

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00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 2: it's still a dismaying turn since the Wall Street Journal

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00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 2: comment pages, where I cut my teeth, are also strictly

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00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 2: committed to free market libertarianism. It leaves the New York

1213
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 2: Times opinion page as the only national print outlet where

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00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 2: writers can argue for greater union density and more robust

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00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 2: antitrust enforcement, say or against Wall streets following out of

1216
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 2: the real economy. And I'm sure Stoler could spend hours

1217
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 2: regaling us with tales of how Jeff Bezos is the

1218
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 2: antithesis of someone who was committed to actual free market competition.

1219
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 2: So just coming out and overtly backing this pro alergarch

1220
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 2: agenda and also signaling like a right word shift for

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00:58:58,320 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 2: the paper in the era of.

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00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:03,919
Speaker 3: That's what I mean, though it's actually it's not right

1223
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 3: word in a sense. It's just the most naked like

1224
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 3: when you say personal liberty and free markets, it's really

1225
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 3: just a libertarian like mask off.

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00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 1: Actually it's not even libertarian.

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00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 3: It's what corporate capture libertarians, and it's like corporate libertarian.

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00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 1: And just openly saying it.

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Speaker 3: You don't believe in personal liberty, dude, Like you don't

1230
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 3: believe in free markets. It's just the worshiping of those

1231
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 3: ideals and frankly tricking a bunch of idiots into backing

1232
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 3: it so that you continue to get your tax benefit cuts,

1233
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 3: your you know, all preferential treatment, making sure that you

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00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 3: don't face even like modest workforce concessions.

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Speaker 1: That's what this whole thing is.

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Speaker 3: And look, I mean, in a way, thank you for

1237
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 3: telling us the truth. Finally, it was obvious for some

1238
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 3: of us. Perhaps it will be obvious to the rest

1239
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 3: of you, and maybe the corporate pressure will stop defending them,

1240
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 3: although I highly doobt that because they're subject to.

1241
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 1: Many of the same pressures. All Right, we will see

1242
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 1: you guys later.

1243
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Speaker 3: Make sure you guys subscribe so you can watch the

1244
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 3: row Hit Choprah interview. Really looking forward personally to taking

1245
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 3: a look at it. Supporting that type of work. Here

1246
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 3: we do a breaking points otherwise, we'll see you later.