1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 3: Welcome to move the sticks. 4 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 4: DJ Buck with you, and we have our good friend 5 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 4: Jim Naggy, the general manager at the University of Oklahoma. 6 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 4: Join us, Jim, anything going on this weekend? Any plans? 7 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 5: There's a whole game on Saturday. We'll see how that goes. Yeah, 8 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 5: just a little something. 9 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 2: How the heck have you been? Man? Let's start. 10 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 4: First of all, we'll get to the game, a huge, 11 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 4: huge game coming up this weekend in the SEC, but 12 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 4: we wanted to catch up with you and just see 13 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 4: how you've enjoyed this transition, going from running the Senior Bowl, 14 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 4: doing a phenomenal job there after a long scouting career 15 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 4: where we became friends, to taking this leap here into 16 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:43,160 Speaker 4: this whole new world as a GM at Oklahoma. 17 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, guys, it's been awesome. It's something I never thought 18 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 5: I would work in college football. You guys probably never 19 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 5: thought you would work in college football. But you know, 20 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 5: when they started paying players and putting value on players, 21 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 5: our skill set kind of fit. I just never saw 22 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 5: our skill set fitting in college football, but but here 23 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 5: we are. It's been Uh, it's been awesome. It's been awesome. 24 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 5: It's been a really busy seven months, I think since 25 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 5: I think we're at the seven month point here. But yeah, 26 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 5: every day is a new day, learning a lot. I 27 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 5: knew a lot of the guys on the staff, I 28 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 5: mean old enough now. I scouted a bunch of the 29 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 5: guys on our coaching staff, about half the staff probably, 30 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 5: But no, it's been it's been great. 31 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 6: Coach venables has been great. 32 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 5: Just put a great staff together on the scouting side, 33 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 5: you know, hire ten guys and uh, you know, just 34 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 5: trying to earn the coaches trust every day, build that, 35 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 5: build that relationship, build their trust. 36 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 6: But yeah, it's been, it's been. It's been a lot 37 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 6: of fun so far. 38 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 7: What's been the biggest surprise in terms of the difference 39 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 7: in working in college compared to being in an NFL landscape? 40 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 5: You know, Buck, I thought I was coming into this 41 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 5: job with my eyes wide open. 42 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 6: I really did. But there's things that always surprise you. 43 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 5: I would say probably the biggest thing was, uh, that 44 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 5: everyone in the locker room talks and uh, you know 45 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 5: has grown men like I would never ask either of 46 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 5: you guys what you make for a living without you know, 47 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 5: expecting to get punched in the face. But this is 48 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 5: a different generation and uh, you know, they share a 49 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 5: lot down there, so uh, you just got to know, 50 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 5: you got to know whatever you're you're paying the players like, 51 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 5: it's gonna get it's gonna get out in the locker room. 52 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 5: So you know, I heard I heard a head coach 53 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 5: at media days in the summer talk about how he 54 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 5: lost his football team last year and because of you know, 55 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 5: some of those dynamics, some of the upper classmen found 56 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,799 Speaker 5: out what some of the younger guys were making and 57 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:33,959 Speaker 5: kind of threw the team out of whack. 58 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 6: A little bit. 59 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 5: And I have a responsibility to the coaching staff who's 60 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 5: built an incredible culture here in Norman in my role 61 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 5: not to do that. So that's probably that's probably been 62 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 5: the biggest thing. 63 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 4: Jim, is there been an opportunity for you to uh, 64 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:49,959 Speaker 4: you know, have an impact on a personal level with kids. 65 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 4: I mean, I know it's a whole new landscape and 66 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 4: these guys are getting paid and it's different. But one 67 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 4: of the things you always heard from guys who worked 68 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 4: in college versus the NFL is like, you know, hey, 69 00:02:57,880 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 4: we can have an impact on on the person as 70 00:02:59,919 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 4: well as the player in this environment. Is that opportunity 71 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 4: Does that still exist in college? 72 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 2: Absolutely? 73 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 5: Absolutely, and especially in a place like Oklahoma. I mean 74 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 5: that's what we know that there's certain things that we 75 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 5: can sell here that other schools maybe can, and there's 76 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 5: there's certain things other schools. 77 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 6: Sell that we can't, but we can sell. The development. 78 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 5: In just pouring into these players, coach Venables is huge 79 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 5: into developing the whole person. In Lake Dawson, another one 80 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 5: of our former scouting friends, Lake says, Hello, By the way, 81 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:32,519 Speaker 5: that was a big. 82 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 6: Draw to get Lake leave to leave the Buffalo Bills. 83 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 5: Quite frankly, I mean he he wanted to come down 84 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 5: to the college level and help affect, affect these young guys. 85 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 6: You know. 86 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 5: He you know, he walked the same path as you did, 87 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 5: Buck from college to Senior Bowl to the to the NFL, and. 88 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 6: And that's something Lake wanted to do. 89 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 5: So Yeah, since we got here in March, I had 90 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 5: a lot of different conversations, you know about the NFL. 91 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 5: And then on a daily basis, I said, at lunch 92 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 5: with these guys, you know, see him out of practice, 93 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 5: see him over the weekend. So yeah, a lot of opportunities, 94 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 5: But like with this year's senior class, all these draft 95 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 5: eligible guys, we'll get through the season then I'll probably 96 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 5: pick up that way. But they've come to me about 97 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 5: you know, agent selection and draft process. There's been a 98 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 5: lot of those questions so far. And then really just 99 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 5: trying to help the young guys with the transition to college, 100 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 5: because that's that's really a difficult thing. 101 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,359 Speaker 7: Hey, I'm really appreciative and excited for Lake Dawson joining 102 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 7: you there. You talk about walking a similar path. Not 103 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 7: only did we play together at the Senior Bowl, but 104 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 7: we also were together in Seattle where it helped him 105 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 7: get on board or whatever. So it's kind of great 106 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 7: to see him make that. 107 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 2: Transition and think about the transition. 108 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 7: I got to ask you, man, because you know, you 109 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 7: spend so much of your time looking at college guys 110 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 7: getting ready for pros. Now you're a mix of looking 111 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 7: at guys in college getting ready to jump into portal 112 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 7: and high school guys. Like, how do you cast your 113 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 7: eyes when you have such a wide range of skills, talents, ages, 114 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 7: all that other stuff. It just seems like it'd be 115 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 7: a very difficult task to kind of cast your on 116 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 7: the right level. 117 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, it has been. It has been a change watching 118 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 5: the high school stuff. I mean, my my son played 119 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 5: high school ball a couple of years ago on mobile 120 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 5: and obviously watched him. But you guys know, I mean, Buck, 121 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 5: you coach Djun's play, it's a different animal. So you know, 122 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 5: just depending on what parts of the country, if you're watching, 123 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 5: you know, a ball in California or Texas or Florida 124 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 5: like some of these really good high school football states, 125 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 5: it's a little easier. But I always boil it down 126 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 5: to this way, guys, you know, from a just from 127 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 5: a scouting perspective, I mean, you focus on the athlete, 128 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 5: You focus on the movement, the explosion, you know, all 129 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 5: the things that carry over. Then you look at instincts. 130 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 5: You know, instincts are instincts, right, Do they have a 131 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 5: feel for the game. Can they find the ball? 132 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 6: You know? 133 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 5: And then and then play and then uh, you know, 134 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 5: play style, you know, like motor, motor. 135 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 6: Tempo, physicality, violence. 136 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 5: We're trying to build a long, violent, fast, urgent football team. 137 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 5: So so those things carry over. Those things transcend the 138 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 5: level of competition. And I kind of look at some 139 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 5: of the high school guys, guys when you're looking at, 140 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 5: you know, some of these you know, not great high 141 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 5: school football playing states. It's like watching small school college tape. 142 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 5: It's like watching Division two guys, Division three guys, and 143 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 5: they have to dominate, they have to stick out immediately, 144 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 5: they have to uh, you know, kind of have that 145 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 5: man amongst boys quality to them. 146 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 2: So that's that's it. 147 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 5: But yeah, it's certainly certainly has its challenges. It's certainly 148 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 5: different than watching college tape. Projecting to the NFL. 149 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, man, your eyes, your eyes are working on three 150 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 4: different levels. Man, that's uh, that's incredible, Uh, Jim. One 151 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 4: of the things we've talked about a lot on here 152 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 4: this last year has been kind of a theme and 153 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 4: and looking at a background on players and character and 154 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 4: football character and those things. 155 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 3: And we've kind of come up with this phrase. 156 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 4: We just talk about having a high care factor when 157 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 4: you're bringing guys in, whether it is the portal, whether 158 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 4: it's a high school kid, what are ways you can 159 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 4: go about learning what their care factor looks like. 160 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's really similar guys to what what we did 161 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 5: when when we were in the NFL. Just sitting across 162 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 5: from McKinnon at you know, asking him about why he 163 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 5: does this and what's important to him. And that's the 164 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 5: great thing about getting these guys on campus multiple times 165 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 5: because you're kind of, for lack of a better phrase, 166 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 5: you're kind of peeling back that that onion every time 167 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 5: and getting a little deeper into who the person is. 168 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 5: And to me, that's critical. You know, we saw it 169 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 5: in the NFL that when you get those guys in 170 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 5: as rookies and they've got a lot of money in 171 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 5: their pocket for the first time and a lot more 172 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 5: time on their hands. 173 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 6: You know, the guys that could manage that transition if 174 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 6: they if they had. 175 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 5: The maturity to do it, if they had the care 176 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 5: factor football was really important to them. Now we're having 177 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 5: to deal with that at this level. And you know, 178 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 5: it was an issue for NFL guys, you know when 179 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 5: there were twenty two twenty three transitioning out of college. 180 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 5: And now we got you know, kids having the same issues. 181 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 5: You know, with a lot of money in their pocket 182 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 5: and a lot of you know, time on their hands 183 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 5: and being away from home for the first time. 184 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 6: I mean, it even makes it more complicated. So we 185 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 6: got it. 186 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 5: We have to get the person right. You know, we've 187 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 5: talked about it on the show before the three of us. 188 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 6: Oh, you know, when you really get a player wrong. 189 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 5: And going back in our in our scouting times, the 190 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 5: three of us, I mean, I feel like we've all 191 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 5: missed on the on the person more than we've missed 192 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 5: on the player. I think that the tape is the 193 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 5: easier part of the evaluation to you know, figuring out 194 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 5: how the person is wired. 195 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 6: Is the harder part. 196 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 5: And then you know, again for us, just in Oklahoma, 197 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 5: I'll speak specifically to how we're looking at this thing. 198 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 6: It's not it's not just the player anymore. It's also 199 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 6: the family. 200 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 5: You know, there's there has to be stability in the 201 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 5: home because this transfer portal is really easy to jump into. 202 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 5: And I don't care what the family structure looks like. 203 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 6: I don't. 204 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 5: It's not you know, it doesn't have to be two 205 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 5: parent or single parent. It can be grandparents and give 206 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 5: me an at and uncle. But there has to whatever 207 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 5: that looks like, there needs to be stability there. So 208 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 5: we're not only looking at the at the players now, 209 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 5: We're we're also looking into the family structure. 210 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 3: You know. 211 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 7: It's fun to as you talk about like looking into 212 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 7: the family structure, and I just remember now, we can't 213 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 7: really say it because hr concerns. Remember we just talking 214 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 7: about when you get here, who's coming with you, Like, 215 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 7: who's the support system around you? 216 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 2: All of those things. 217 00:08:57,960 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 7: But it was a big part of trying to figure 218 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 7: out who the player is and who he could be 219 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 7: in your building. I'm fascinated about what you're talking about, DJs, 220 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,959 Speaker 7: talking about the care factor and those things. How many 221 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 7: times do you have to get them on campus before 222 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 7: you really get a feel for who they are? Unlike 223 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 7: the thirty visits and all the stuff that we kind 224 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 7: of restricted on at the NFL level, What does that 225 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,839 Speaker 7: look like now as you're dealing with college players and 226 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 7: high school recruitsing those things? 227 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. 228 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 5: I mean again, that was a big selling point for 229 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 5: guys coming to Mobile because I would always tell players like, 230 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 5: these scouts have been coming in your buildings for forever 231 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 5: trying to find out about you. But this is you 232 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 5: only really have that, you know, February through April timeframe 233 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 5: to tell your own story and let the teams get 234 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 5: to know you and then the big scheme of things. 235 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,079 Speaker 5: That's a short period of time, you know, and we're 236 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 5: kind of dealing with the same thing here. So if 237 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 5: we can get him out here, you know, for a 238 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 5: fall visit, get them back in the spring for a workout, 239 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 5: then get them for an OV. But this whole recruiting thing, 240 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 5: and I'm certainly new to it, there's a lot there's 241 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 5: a lot of people in college football that can speak 242 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 5: to it more than I can. But it seems like 243 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 5: it's getting accelerated, and these guys are one to make 244 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 5: up their minds earlier. 245 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 6: So again, I get that we're recruiting players. 246 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 5: You know, everyone says that talks about the NFL, you 247 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 5: know this is an NFL model, and it's not because 248 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 5: we're not drafting players. There's a difference, And I certainly 249 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 5: get that we have to recruit the players they have 250 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 5: to choose us. But at the same time, I mean, 251 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 5: we can be selective as well. You know, we can't 252 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 5: just bring guys in because they want to come to Oklahoma. 253 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 5: They have to be the right fit. So I don't 254 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 5: know if there's a certain number, Buckey, but but when 255 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 5: they're on campus, we've got a big enough staff. That's 256 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 5: the great part of our new structure is that we've 257 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 5: got ten full time guys on the scouting side and 258 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 5: they're not just evaluators. The way we put the staff together, 259 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 5: and I think Lake Dawson is a great example, Like 260 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 5: Lake's not just sitting in an office watching tape every day. 261 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 5: Like he's got a lot more value to owe you 262 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,559 Speaker 5: football than that. I mean, when we get families on visits, 263 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 5: it's crazy. We're like the parents' age right now. So 264 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 5: we're like Lake, Lake and I are relating with the parents. 265 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 5: And we've got some younger guys on the staff that 266 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 5: can relate more to the players. But but you know, 267 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 5: it's it's that's a really important part is to get 268 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,839 Speaker 5: these guys on campus, and we have enough manpower. We 269 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 5: have a lot of different people spending time with these 270 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 5: guys on each visit, and and we do a lot 271 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 5: of preparation before we guys, before we get players to 272 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 5: come in. Michigan was probably the biggest recruiting weekend in 273 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 5: the history of Oklahoma, at least in recent recent memory. 274 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 5: We've got a big weekend coming up at Old Miss 275 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,839 Speaker 5: here in a couple of weeks, and we talk about it. 276 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 5: We have a strategy for each player that's coming in 277 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 5: and who's meeting with him, and who's spending time, so Yeah, 278 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 5: it's a collective effort, and then you got to download 279 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 5: just like you were. You know when you sit in 280 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 5: draft meetings and talk about, you know, who picked them 281 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 5: up from the airport, what was that exposure? Like, you know, 282 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 5: like we we we have that broken down so as 283 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 5: many people that can get in front of these kids. 284 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 5: It's not just the position coach, it's not just the coordinator. 285 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 5: It's not just myself or coach menibles. It is truly 286 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 5: a collective group effort. And then we we try to 287 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 5: see where we land on the player. Hopefully we're seeing 288 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 5: the player all the same way. 289 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, you can tell this is something that's very thought out, 290 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 4: very organized, very detailed, which is basically the NFL coming 291 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 4: to the collegiate level and taking that model. 292 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 3: That's fascinating to me. I was looking at your schedule. 293 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,079 Speaker 4: Obviously a huge game we'll get to in a second 294 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 4: here coming up with Texas Oklahoma. 295 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 3: Doesn't get any bigger than that one. 296 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 4: But I was just looking at a Jim, You've go 297 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 4: South Carolina after that, and then it's number four Ole, 298 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 4: miss number twelve, Tennessee number eight, Alabama, number fourteen, Missouri 299 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 4: number eleven, LSU. 300 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 3: How much now that you're in it. 301 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 4: Now, you're in the SEC gauntlet and you're getting an 302 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 4: up close personal view. How challenging is it for all 303 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 4: these teams when it is just one after another every 304 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 4: single week. 305 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 5: Well, there's certainly no Saturdays off, you know, there's no 306 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 5: get right week when you're in the SEC. Really, you know, 307 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 5: I look at look at the schedule for some other 308 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 5: conferences and there's there's a game in there, and we've 309 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 5: had We've had a couple, you know, early in the 310 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 5: year where we can kind of you know, we had 311 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 5: Michigan and then a break and then Auburn. But from 312 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 5: here on out, it is you got to show up 313 00:12:58,120 --> 00:12:59,839 Speaker 5: every Saturday and put your best foot forward. 314 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 6: So to me, in that sense, the SEC is is 315 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 6: very much like the NFL. 316 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 5: You know, I've read the whole you know, on any 317 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 5: given Sunday thing for the NFL, it's certainly I think 318 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 5: it applies to the SEC any given Saturday. We're seeing 319 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 5: what Vandy's doing this year in the program that Clark 320 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 5: Lee's building. 321 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 6: So yeah, there's there's never a Saturday off. 322 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 5: You rattled off where all those teams are ranked, It's 323 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 5: going to be a dogfight, you know, similar to the NFL. 324 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 5: Those those NFL games come down to like three or 325 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 5: four plays every Sunday, And we had a close game 326 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 5: against Auburn here at home a couple of weeks ago. 327 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 5: I think we're gonna be in a lot of those. 328 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 5: I think we're gonna be in a lot of those. 329 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 5: And we we love our veteran football team and guys 330 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 5: that step up in big moments like our Mason Thomas 331 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 5: did against Auburn in some big spots, we think we 332 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 5: have the guys to do that. 333 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,719 Speaker 6: But but yeah, it's it's certainly the word gauntlet has 334 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 6: been thrown around a lot in the local media here. 335 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 6: It is it is certainly going to be a gauntlet. 336 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:50,839 Speaker 7: You know, you've been a super Bowl champion at the 337 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 7: NFL level, so you understand what championship caliber team looks 338 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 7: like at at the pro level. But now that you're 339 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 7: at the collegiate level, uh to change at all in 340 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 7: terms of you we're thinking about building the ideal team 341 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 7: where we just talk about the marquee spots being quarterback 342 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 7: and left tackling those things. Is it different in the 343 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 7: college game in terms of how you have the stockpile 344 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 7: of talent where the blue Chippers need to be on 345 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 7: the positions on the chessboard. 346 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 5: I mean for us, Bucky, I mean, we just have 347 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 5: our philosophy and the positions we value. You really do 348 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 5: have to take a roster building look at this thing 349 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 5: similar to the NFL, and you can only you can 350 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 5: only invest in certain positions. And it's not to say that, 351 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 5: you know, if there's a player at one of our 352 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 5: spots that maybe we we don't value as much. If 353 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 5: we're in a position to get a really good player 354 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 5: out of high school that we wouldn't or in the 355 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 5: portal to take a shot there and go after that player. 356 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 6: But yeah, we're gonna build with the guys up front. 357 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 6: We're we're much improved on the offensive line this year. 358 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 5: We've got a young left tackle, we've got a transfer center, 359 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 5: we've got a transfer right tackle. And then on the 360 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 5: defensive side, I mean, we go, I mean, we go 361 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 5: are too deep? Is really really competitive? You're it's really 362 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 5: hard to build competitive depth in college football right now 363 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 5: with the portal and really get guys to buy in. 364 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 5: And that's again, I think what what our roster looks 365 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 5: like looks like right now is indicative of what coach 366 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 5: nnables and the staff have done here. I mean, this 367 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 5: is not you know, when I took this job in March, 368 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 5: this team was coming off a six and seven season, 369 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 5: and when I came in an interview, it didn't feel 370 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 5: like a six and seven building at all. And then 371 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 5: we got into full we got into spring practice in 372 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 5: fall camp, and I'm like, yeah, this isn't a six 373 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 5: and seven roster. So we we we legitimately go too 374 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 5: deep across the board on defense. So I really like 375 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 5: how we're built on both sides of the ball. And obviously, 376 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 5: you know, like just like the NFL, you need to 377 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 5: have a quarterback and uh, you know John Matteer. So 378 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 5: far this year in Michael Hawkins last week, we've got 379 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 5: really good play at that spot so far. 380 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 4: Tell me about Matier and I'm not gonna I'm not 381 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 4: going to do the Hey, let's get a detailed breakdown 382 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 4: on his health. What's his status, like just a healthy job, mateer. 383 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 4: What does he bring on the grass as well as 384 00:15:58,880 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 4: in the building. 385 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate you for. 386 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 5: Not asking about the current situation, but no, John, John's 387 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 5: awesome man. Seriously, like we scouts come through every day. 388 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 5: I talk to those guys he's got another year left 389 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 5: after this year, we'll see what what he wants to do. 390 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 5: He is hyper competitive, so you know, I would expect 391 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 5: you know, I know he expects to win a lot 392 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 5: of games this year and for the team to have 393 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 5: great success. And I think that matters to him. I 394 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 5: think he wants to leave his mark here at Oklahoma. 395 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 5: But but man, he's he's been unbelievable. You guys know 396 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 5: how hard it would be to come in as a 397 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 5: transfer quarterback and win the team over and uh, that 398 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 5: did not take very long at all. And I think 399 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 5: the great thing about John is he's got a he's. 400 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 6: Got a he's he's got. 401 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 5: A genuine quality about him that everyone buys into. Like, 402 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 5: I guess the best way to say, he connects with 403 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 5: everyone on the team. There's not a certain group of 404 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 5: guys like he could go into any position room and 405 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 5: click with all those guys. And that's not many quarterbacks 406 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 5: have that nowadays, at least the ones that I've come across. 407 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 5: He's got a really cool ability to connect with with 408 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 5: guy and they buy into him. And then and then 409 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 5: you get him on the field on game days and 410 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,439 Speaker 5: he's just hyper hyper competitive. You guys, see that on 411 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 5: the tape, you see it on the highlights on the weekends. 412 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 5: I mean, he is a real dude. He's got kind 413 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 5: of a throwback quality that way. There was a lot 414 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 5: of Baker Mayfield comparisons in the off field, just in 415 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 5: the off season because of his play style, and you 416 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 5: know he's got some of that to him. 417 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 6: But yeah, I tell. 418 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 5: All the all the scouts like there's there's there's no box. 419 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,640 Speaker 5: He doesn't check. When it comes to the makeup part 420 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 5: of it. He's in the building all the time. He's here. 421 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:33,880 Speaker 5: I mean he's here first one in, last run out, 422 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 5: all those cliches, he's all that stuff. And then the grittiness, 423 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 5: the toughness is off the charts. And then just his 424 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 5: ability to lead guys and guys follow him. That's a hard, 425 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 5: hard quality to find it. He's got it. 426 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 7: You know. I have to ask you, Nandy, we're talking 427 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 7: about the robbery and those things, Like I've always believed 428 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 7: there's some special rub being at a blue blood place, 429 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 7: a place that has a lot of tradition. How have 430 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 7: you wrapped yourself into the lore of Oklahoma Sooners football? 431 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 5: Well, yeah, this is there is a reason why I 432 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,880 Speaker 5: jumped at this opportunity. I'm really grateful I had the opportunity, 433 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 5: but jumped at it because again, it is a special place. 434 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 5: There's not many places like ou. You know, we all 435 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 5: park under the stadium every day, but I park out 436 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 5: front in front of the Switzer Center at least once 437 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 5: a week because I want to walk by those. 438 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 6: Trophies every day. 439 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 5: There's seven National Championship trophies and seven Heisman trophies downstairs. 440 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 6: And we had we had the nineteen eighty five. 441 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 5: Team with the bos and all those guys back for 442 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 5: the forty three Union of the National Championship over the weekend. 443 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 5: And I told that group that I said, guys, you 444 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,919 Speaker 5: built this thing like you guys are Oklahoma football and 445 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 5: you're what. 446 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 6: We aspire to be is a program, And so I 447 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:46,679 Speaker 6: told them. 448 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 5: I intentionally walk through the lobby of the Switzer Center 449 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 5: just to remind myself because I think we all get 450 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 5: in our daily grinds a little bit and uh, you know, 451 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 5: kind of lose sight of things I want to. I 452 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 5: want like a weekly reminder of where I'm at. So, yeah, 453 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 5: it's really it's really a special place. I wanted to 454 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,239 Speaker 5: go somewhere where there was no limits and went at 455 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 5: the highest level. I got spoiled working for some good 456 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 5: teams in the NFL, so just wanted to go a 457 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,479 Speaker 5: place where we could win championships. And you can certainly 458 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 5: do that here. 459 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 2: I got to tell you this story. 460 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 7: So mag Brown was Barry Switzer's offensive coordinators. I think 461 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 7: maybe when Troy Aikman was there, and he said, the 462 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 7: one thing that he learned from Barry Swisser was how 463 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 7: to design a bowl ring. And he said in the office, 464 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 7: Barry swiss used to keep all of the bowl rings 465 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 7: in like a little ten cigar box, and every day 466 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 7: he would have to figure out which. 467 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 2: Ones he would wear on the thing. 468 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 7: And so when you talk about going by those trophies 469 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 7: or whatever, it makes me think about Coach Brown saying 470 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 7: the one thing that I learned at Oklahoma was how 471 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 7: to design an exemplary bowl ring. So you get a 472 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 7: chance to see all of the hardware on a daily 473 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 7: basis at the Swissess Center. 474 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 6: That's cool. 475 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 4: I never knew that Mac was with Barry Switzer. That's 476 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 4: an interesting combination. I would have liked to have been 477 00:19:58,800 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 4: in there. 478 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 7: Yeah, I think, man, I think Coach Brown was there 479 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 7: when Troy Aigman was there when they were trying to 480 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,439 Speaker 7: transition to the eye and Aikman gets hurt and then 481 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 7: Barry goes back to running the option and away they go. 482 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 7: And so yeah, he said, he's just you talking about 483 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 7: Coach Swisser and just the unbelievable confidence and ara that 484 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 7: he had. 485 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 2: And I think now to. 486 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 7: Think about putting seventy plus points on people running the wisp, Bawn, 487 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 7: it's kind of crazy. That speaks to the talent that 488 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 7: was an ou that you could beat people to sleep 489 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 7: running the ball on every play. 490 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 6: So let me jump in on this. 491 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,400 Speaker 5: So this eighty five team that we just honored, Troy 492 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 5: Aikman was the starter to start the season, So think 493 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 5: about that, a future number one pick. He goes down. 494 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 5: You guys will remember this name. We were kids. I 495 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 5: mean I was eleven years old. 496 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:52,439 Speaker 6: Remember Jamail Holloway, real Holloway. Yeah, freshman, true freshman comes in. 497 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 5: Everyone probably thought the sky was falling that Troy Aikman 498 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 5: got hurt. Jamail Holloway, true freshman comes in and leads 499 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 5: him to a national championship. And I'll tell you what, 500 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 5: Coach Switzer still believes that we could run the wishbone. 501 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 5: Wishbone would work in today's football and he could score 502 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 5: seventy points. 503 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:08,719 Speaker 6: We've had that conversation. 504 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,120 Speaker 2: He said that. He says that all the time. He says, 505 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 2: I believing. 506 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 7: All the time that hey, the first major college with 507 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 7: elite athletes that ran the wishbulle win a national title. 508 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 2: He swears by it, he says all the time. 509 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 5: So I had I got had to get up and 510 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 5: speak in front of that group on Saturday and just 511 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 5: doing a little research. So here's the difference in college 512 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 5: football now. That Oklahoma team had eighteen running backs on 513 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 5: the roster. We have six on the roster right now, 514 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 5: and they only had eight wide receivers. 515 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 4: And they call him blockers there, Jim that what at 516 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 4: that time, they're not called wide receivers. They were called Yeah, 517 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 4: oh that is fantastic. Last one for me, just out 518 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:57,880 Speaker 4: of curiosity, Uh, what is your busiest day of the week. 519 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 4: I'm just curious about the the flow here. So your 520 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 4: busiest day of the week, and like what does that 521 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 4: day look like? Give us a little breakdown of someone 522 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 4: that's in your role in a program like this. Give 523 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 4: me give me a busy day and what that could entail? 524 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 6: Monday's definitely the busiest. 525 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,640 Speaker 5: I mean, Sunday, we come in and watch the tape 526 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 5: from the day before, download as the staff that way, 527 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 5: get with the sports performance team after they've seen all 528 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 5: the players and go over the injury stuff, injury report 529 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 5: and what that's going to look like for the upcoming week. 530 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 5: But then Monday it's just heavy meetings, you know, heavy 531 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 5: staff meetings with coaches, our scouting staff. Yeah, Monday, mondays, 532 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 5: I feel like I'm in meetings from eight am till 533 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 5: about four pm and then try to get a workout 534 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:46,719 Speaker 5: in and then get back in, watch a little more 535 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 5: tape and head home. But yeah, Monday is definitely the 536 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 5: busiest day in season at least. 537 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right, all right, neg ahead of you, 538 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 2: big game. 539 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 7: I hate to say, like you and I go way 540 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,120 Speaker 7: back to our time with the Packers, and I've always 541 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 7: been like the biggest fan. 542 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 2: I support you wholeheartedly. 543 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 7: But now we're rivals because my daughter is at the 544 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,400 Speaker 7: University of Texas. He's a freshman. I forgot and so 545 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 7: now so now it's personal. So now so now as 546 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 7: a as a as a Longhorn parent, I have to 547 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 7: throw up to hook him. 548 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: On Saturday, and it pains me. We're sitting on the 549 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 1: opposite sides for the first time ever. But yeah, I 550 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:32,360 Speaker 1: think we're sarking them. 551 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 4: You better rethink that, man, You better rethink that. If 552 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 4: Texas were to win, tuition is probably going up, man, 553 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 4: So you better you better rethink that strategy. 554 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 7: Look, it can't get much higher, like like like like, 555 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 7: it's like sugar on top. I mean, what are we 556 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 7: talking about when it comes to well Buck. 557 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 5: If it were any other week, I would congratulate you 558 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 5: on your daughter because that. 559 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 6: Is that is a great academic school. 560 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 2: But not not this week. Maybe. 561 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 4: Hey, this has been fun nags. Everybody shooting, not just us. 562 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 4: Everybody will be watching this weekend. It's really one of 563 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 4: the great traditions in college football, one of the great matchups. 564 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 4: I can't wait for it and excited for you to 565 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 4: experience it firsthand. Here man, we appreciate your time, appreciate 566 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 4: your friendship. 567 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, I appreciate you guys. It's amazing. 568 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 5: I'm so fired up for Saturday because the only two boat, 569 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 5: the only two really big rivalry games that I've never 570 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 5: been to is a scout We're ou Texas and Army Navy. 571 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 3: So oh wow, Wow, first time. 572 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 5: I'm getting on. I'm checking one off the list. So yeah, 573 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 5: we can't wait. Heading down here to Dallas here in 574 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 5: a little bit. But appreciate you guys having me on. 575 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 6: This is fun. It's always a lot of fun. But 576 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 6: great to see you guys. 577 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 3: You're the best buddy. We'll be watching. We'll catch up soon. 578 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:44,719 Speaker 6: Okay, take care guys. 579 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,239 Speaker 4: All right, buck Well, there he goes. Great conversation with 580 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 4: our good friend Jim Naggy. 581 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 2: There. 582 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,439 Speaker 4: Interesting job, man, That's why I'm just kind of curious 583 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,360 Speaker 4: of like some of the behind the scenes and what 584 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 4: that looks like. Man, it's again, I think you asked 585 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 4: the question that I was thinking of too, is man 586 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 4: training your eyes on high school kids? After being in 587 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 4: the NFL space for so long and even at the 588 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 4: Senior Bowl, you're looking at the best of the best 589 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,959 Speaker 4: of college football, and then all of a sudden, now 590 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,719 Speaker 4: you're watching a seventeen year old kid trying to project 591 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:15,360 Speaker 4: what he's going to look like in three years. 592 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 7: I mean, in a weird way, DJ, It's it's like 593 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 7: my life going from watching an NFL game on Sunday 594 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 7: coming back to high school practice on Monday, and just 595 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 7: like the start differences between just the skill level. 596 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 2: And those things. But I think for him and Lake 597 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 2: and the rest of that staff, it has to be. 598 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 7: An unusual situation, right because your eyes have to go 599 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,640 Speaker 7: all over the gamut in terms of looking at guys 600 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 7: that are getting ready to go pros because they want 601 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 7: your advice about what do you think my draft stock 602 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 7: is going to be? To then in the portal trying 603 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 7: to build a championship program, to now the recruiting process, 604 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 7: and trying to project out how a seventeen eighteen year 605 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 7: old kid is going to advance over a four or 606 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 7: five year run. That is a lot to joke when 607 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 7: he talks about a ten man staff, that's man, that's 608 00:25:58,640 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 7: a lot. 609 00:25:58,880 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 2: And we didn't get a chance to. 610 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 7: Talk about like working together with the head coach in 611 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 7: terms of building the ideal team that the head coach once. 612 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 2: I mean a lot of different challenges when it comes 613 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:09,679 Speaker 2: to it. 614 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 7: But I'm excited to have so many friends of ours 615 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 7: that are in that business because we talked about it 616 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,479 Speaker 7: like four or five years ago that we knew it 617 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 7: was heading that way. But man, I don't think any 618 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 7: of us saw us so at exploding like has exploded now. 619 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 7: Where the collegiate game is literally like minor league NFL ball. 620 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 4: So one of the things I want to get your 621 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 4: thoughts on as someone who is a coach, how would 622 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 4: you handle what he referenced on there with players sharing, 623 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 4: they share all their information. You can't stop them from 624 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 4: doing that, so you know what players are making. He 625 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 4: referenced one coach saying he thought his locker room kind 626 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 4: of fell apart when some of the older guys found 627 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,400 Speaker 4: out how much the younger guys were making. But if 628 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 4: you're going to stand up in front of the room, 629 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 4: you are the GM at a blue blood program and 630 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 4: you got to get up in front of the room 631 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 4: and try and cut that off at the past. What 632 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 4: would your message be to the team about that that 633 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 4: specific thing? 634 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 7: One. I think you have to be transparent, and I 635 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 7: think is very similar to what Jimmy Johnson used to say. Hey, 636 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 7: we're gonna treat everyone fairly, but we're not treating everyone equally. 637 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 7: And the better to performance into production, the more the 638 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:15,399 Speaker 7: pay is going to be. 639 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,159 Speaker 2: But I think you have to get in front of it. 640 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 7: What I would like to do is kind of have 641 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 7: a rite of passage, try and put all of the 642 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,199 Speaker 7: guys that come in the young guys kind of like 643 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 7: a set system where the older guys are rewarded and 644 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 7: make the young guys earn their. 645 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 2: Keep before we pay them. So if you won't get them, 646 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:34,919 Speaker 2: I've heard that. 647 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 4: I've heard coaches said, look, our program is going to 648 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 4: be incentive based, like, once you perform, we will pay you. Well, 649 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 4: guess what, a kid's got an offer for a million 650 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 4: bucks coming in the front door. He's not going to 651 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 4: buy that. 652 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 7: I just think I just think it's hard from the 653 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 7: chemistry of the locker room. If you have like a 654 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 7: freshman who hasn't proven it making whatever, Like, I just 655 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 7: think it can kind of do it. So like my take, 656 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 7: I would try and do it that way because I 657 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 7: think it's really hard. If you pay the the high 658 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 7: school recruit a million dollars, then he shows up and 659 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 7: he doesn't look like a million dollars. 660 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,159 Speaker 4: That happen every It's going to happen in every building. 661 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,199 Speaker 4: I just don't know how you even get in the 662 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 4: game with the four with a high four star or 663 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 4: a five star talented kid and you need talent. 664 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 7: I get it, and I guess I guess it depends 665 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 7: on where you're at. But I think also you remember 666 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 7: you talked about the care factor. Yeah, when you're at 667 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 7: a dependent on where you are, when you're at Ohio 668 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:25,919 Speaker 7: State or whatever, like, you still want it to be 669 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 7: as close to the ball as it can be in 670 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 7: terms of like, hey, let's a competitive environment. 671 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 2: So whatever you make, you make. 672 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,199 Speaker 7: But the people that play here are the people that 673 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,679 Speaker 7: earn the right to play. And I think it's a 674 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 7: unique trick. I think you have to be able to 675 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 7: like build it out. I'm not envious in anybody because 676 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 7: without a salary cap, I mean, it is the wild 677 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 7: wild West when. 678 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 2: It comes to acquiring players and trying to put it together. Whatever. 679 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 7: I don't envy any of these teams, and I do 680 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 7: believe that's why you can see a situation where two 681 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 7: years ago Florida State was at the top of the world, 682 00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 7: and then last year they're struggling because the inequities of everything, 683 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 7: like it is a. 684 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 2: Chemistry experiment with a lot of money being thrown at 685 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 2: to players. 686 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, I almost think the because I thought about that, Like, 687 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 4: what would your answer approach be. You still want to bring 688 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 4: in talented players, so you're going to have some younger 689 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 4: kids who are making more than haven't proven anything, and 690 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 4: you're going to have some younger kids come in who 691 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 4: don't end up being very good, and they're going to 692 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 4: look like, well, if that guy's making that, I should 693 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 4: be making this. I think that you have to get 694 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 4: the team in the room and say, guys, we we 695 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 4: did what we needed to do to get all of 696 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 4: you in this room, and some of you came in 697 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,959 Speaker 4: making more money than others. It will have zero impact 698 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 4: on who it plays, zero impact on who plays. And 699 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 4: these are the dollars like, these are the These are 700 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 4: the quarters. Like the money that we're talking about out 701 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 4: but it seems like a lot of money. 702 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 3: But these are the quarters. 703 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 4: The dollars are what's off into the NFL and off 704 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 4: into your professional future. So we got everybody in here 705 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 4: that we could and as you perform and play well, 706 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 4: you will be rewarded for that. But there are going 707 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 4: to be some guys who come in making more or 708 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 4: less than others. But if you keep your focus on 709 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 4: handling your business, two things, you're going to play and 710 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 4: number two, you're going to get opportunities to make the 711 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 4: real money in the future. So don't get too caught 712 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 4: up in what this money looks like for the younger guys. 713 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:08,719 Speaker 2: You know what it sounds like. 714 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 7: What you just sound what you just said sounds a 715 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 7: lot like what Pete Carroll used to talk about when 716 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 7: he was in Seattle when they had to make Russell 717 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 7: Wilson the starter even though they paid Matt Flynn a 718 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 7: ton of money. Hey, what we pay you is the 719 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 7: cost of doing business. When you play is old school football, 720 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 7: where you have to earn the right to be able 721 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 7: to do it. But I think it's a very transparent conversation. 722 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 7: I think if you're transparent with the players and everyone 723 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 7: knows what the rules of engagement are, you have a 724 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 7: better chance of keeping the team together. I think is 725 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 7: when you're operating in secret and no one knows. I 726 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 7: think you have to put it out there, like you said, 727 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 7: and everyone knows, and those who are okay with it 728 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 7: are going to be in your program, and those who 729 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 7: aren't aren't for you. 730 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 2: But I think you have to be okay with that 731 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 2: kind of approach. 732 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 4: The other thing, I don't know how you could even 733 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 4: do it. I don't know what the rules are on this, 734 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 4: because I don't think you can do I don't think 735 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 4: you can do performance based like contracts, not that I 736 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 4: know of, but one of the things I was thinking of. Man, 737 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 4: it'd be easy way to raise money if you went 738 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 4: to some boosters and said, hey, if we win ten games, 739 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 4: everybody on the whole team gets a bump, you know from. 740 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:12,719 Speaker 3: Where they're Yeah, you know what I mean. It's kind 741 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 3: of like you're building that. 742 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 4: Hey, at the end of the day, let's try and 743 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 4: get this together and we're all gonna be rewarded. 744 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like if you. 745 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 7: Put some team based incentives and you do some things 746 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 7: like that, Like yeah, I mean, look at DJ I 747 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 7: think some of those things haven't an opportunity to work. 748 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 2: I think you have to be creative. I think you 749 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 2: have to find a way to do it within the rules. 750 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 7: But yeah, there's a way to handle this because obviously 751 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 7: there's some people that are. 752 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 2: Finding a way to get it done. You know, Yeah, 753 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 2: no question. All right. 754 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 4: This was a fun one. Great to catch up with 755 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 4: our buddy Jim Naggy. Looking forward to watching that big 756 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 4: time game Texas Oklahoma. I didn't get better than that. 757 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 4: Some other really good games on the schedule this weekend 758 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 4: as well. It's a good weekend of college football. 759 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 2: We're back tomorrow with Randow episode. 760 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 3: We appreciate you here on move 761 00:31:52,400 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 5: The sticks, scents puts the open s