WEBVTT - It was in the Stars: Nancy Reagan’s White House

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth Dutton Zaren Burnette.

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<v Speaker 1>So good to see you, really good to see you.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been good. That's great. I got a question for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know it's ridiculous?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh heavens, do I listen? Valentine's Day is ridiculous? Oh

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<v Speaker 1>don't you think?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's like a garbage day.

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<v Speaker 2>What is even the story of that one? Really? Saint

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<v Speaker 2>Valentine like shot someone in the heart with an arrow

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<v Speaker 2>and we all celebrate. What is the real story?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you know he's the patron saint of lovers?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? I did know that, Eliabeth, I did. Okay, Epleptics, No,

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<v Speaker 2>I did not know that one. And Beekeepers I did

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<v Speaker 2>not know that one either. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>But see that's I'm saying Valentine's date. But we're not

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<v Speaker 1>here for Saint Valentine. We're just gonna go somewhere different

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<v Speaker 1>with Valentine's state. Okay, we got a hot tip from

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram friend Sophia Techno.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, thank you Sophia tech.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, oh she's the best. She passed along, are they?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Sophia Techno passed along a really terrifying company.

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<v Speaker 1>It's called manly Man. Manly Man. Yeah, they're tough. It

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<v Speaker 1>said his love language, cured meat God. So basically it's

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<v Speaker 1>a beef jerky company.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that just as an adjective. This is a

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<v Speaker 2>beef jerky company. It's like it's Mickey Mouse. It's beef jerky.

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<v Speaker 1>So they sell jerked beef and they have meat hearts,

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<v Speaker 1>which are like you know those candy hearts.

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<v Speaker 2>I know it. Beef hearts aren't.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's me meat hearts and they're heart shaped and

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<v Speaker 1>it says stuff like XO XO love. Some say beefmine

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<v Speaker 1>Hello the hearts.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but there's there's jerky, but it's meat yeah, looks

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<v Speaker 2>oh god.

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<v Speaker 1>So some of them say you plus me, meet me, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but then there's naughty hearts.

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<v Speaker 2>They meet me was not naughty meat hearts? What's the noughty?

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<v Speaker 2>Can you give me an example?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to look, and it's like they won't show

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<v Speaker 1>pictures of the naughty. Oh wait, it says hot, wild, spicy,

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<v Speaker 1>eat me sexy, and then a devil emoji. Anyway, So

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<v Speaker 1>they have all these Valentine's Day gifts for men because

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<v Speaker 1>most men apparently only eat meat and not chocolate. They

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<v Speaker 1>sell beef jerky flowers, so you can do a bouquet

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<v Speaker 1>of beef jerky.

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<v Speaker 2>Flowers edible arrangement essentially quote.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of our manly gift sets are available in three

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<v Speaker 1>different versions, gift boxes, ammo can gift baskets and tactical

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas stocking kits. EAT are based on different themes and

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<v Speaker 1>include products both curated through a thoughtful selection process and

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<v Speaker 1>custom designed at our headquarters located in sunny southern California.

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<v Speaker 1>This is so Orange County. I can't take it. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a bloody Mary gift set, bacon scented gift wrapping paper.

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<v Speaker 1>This is edible greeting cards like they write on beef jerky. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>and the whole thing is just like fragile, toxic masculinity.

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<v Speaker 1>But aside from that, Zaren, maybe if you're good, Saint

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<v Speaker 1>Valentine will give you some beef.

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<v Speaker 2>He'll meet me something.

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<v Speaker 1>Will yeah, spicy anyway, sorry about that. I'm just going

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<v Speaker 1>that was a long daddy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was ridiculous though, Thank you, Elizabeth. I know

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<v Speaker 2>as a California native.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, you know, I love to talk about that. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>like the Anthony Kias over here.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to test that today. You know that Ronald

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<v Speaker 2>Reagan was once the governor of this great state? Oh man, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>but you may not know this next one. Did you

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<v Speaker 2>know that when Ronald Reagan was sworn in as governor

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<v Speaker 2>of California in nineteen sixty seven, Yes, he scheduled his

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<v Speaker 2>inauguration to occur exactly at twelve ten am.

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<v Speaker 1>What like, right after midnight?

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<v Speaker 2>Why would Ronnie Reagan want to become governor at exactly

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<v Speaker 2>ten past midnight? I don't know, great question, Elizabeth. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>because at that precise moment, Jupiter would be at its zenith.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait are you kidding me?

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<v Speaker 2>And as any good occultists can tell you, Jupiter is

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<v Speaker 2>the symbol for kings. But not only that, Elizabeth, Jupiter

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<v Speaker 2>is also the zodiacal symbol for fame and prosperity, all

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<v Speaker 2>things governors desire.

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<v Speaker 1>And boys go to Jupiter to get stupider. Exactly midnight,

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<v Speaker 1>it was Wait, that's what he inaugurated? What?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, this is all true story. If you asked the

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<v Speaker 2>newly elected governor's executive secretary that night, he would have

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<v Speaker 2>told you, as he told reporters at the time, Governor

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<v Speaker 2>Reagan quote is not guided by the stars, nor do

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<v Speaker 2>we intend to have stargazers in the administration. He was

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<v Speaker 2>lying they had stargazers in the administration anyway. But if

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<v Speaker 2>you asked the newly elected governor's wife, she would have

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<v Speaker 2>told you, oh that that was my idea, because Ronnie

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<v Speaker 2>and I are we're down with the mysticism. Not a

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<v Speaker 2>direct quote, but that woman, of course was Nancy.

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<v Speaker 1>Reagan and nance Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Get ready for a wild one.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh boy, this is Ridiculous Crime a podcast about absurd

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<v Speaker 3>and outrageous capers, heists and cons It's always ninety nine

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<v Speaker 3>percent murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, Nancy Reagan, Yeah, all right. Now, these days you

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<v Speaker 2>see her get mentioned from time to time on social media,

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<v Speaker 2>usually for what she did as a First Lady of

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<v Speaker 2>the United States. Either you know about like the just

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<v Speaker 2>Say No drug wearing his campaign, she did sit on

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<v Speaker 2>lap she did for a Christmas photo. Very yeah, he

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<v Speaker 2>puts he was a Santa and she was I think

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<v Speaker 2>miss Elf. She was an elf.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, these days you'll read also read online about how apparently,

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<v Speaker 2>back in her Hollywood days, the former First Lady was

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<v Speaker 2>rumored to be quite a crowd pleaser, Elizabeth. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>not just says an act, more of a people pleaser.

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<v Speaker 1>One might say, yeah, a little bit saucy.

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<v Speaker 2>She liked a party.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, in like risk ways.

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<v Speaker 2>She was a goat.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I am. I have a relative who was sort

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<v Speaker 1>of in the circles Pasadena kind of like.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that whole like wild like uh, astronomers in Hollywood,

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<v Speaker 2>people getting into sex parties them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she knew the Reagans. I mean, this isn't like

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<v Speaker 1>a contemporary of mine. It's she's long deceased, but like

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<v Speaker 1>she's amazing, sounds amazing, And she knew them, and she's

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<v Speaker 1>always like, they're freaks. They are freaky deaky. Now I'm

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<v Speaker 1>like ten, being like tell me, tell me everything, and

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<v Speaker 1>she's like they are one for No, she didn't tell me.

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<v Speaker 2>She told them all, Oh okay, you're just like listening

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<v Speaker 2>around the corner. Yeah, I'm like, what, what's a freak?

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<v Speaker 2>You're looking up freaks? You just shut down, you're more confused.

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<v Speaker 1>She got down with a lot of fellas.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, Nancy, yeah, not your no, no, no, no, no, of course, Now, Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing to know about Nancy Reagan is she was

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<v Speaker 2>always crazy cunning, a true operator, as this story will

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<v Speaker 2>in particular go to show, she was also the real

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<v Speaker 2>power behind the throne. Right, that's not a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people know that. It's not a big secret, but we'll

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<v Speaker 2>get into that anyway. To keep them hold that power

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<v Speaker 2>for her and Ronnie, Nancy relied on a cadre of

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<v Speaker 2>psychics and astrologers. In fact, Nancy Reagan let astrologers decide

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<v Speaker 2>American foreign policy. Amazing, Yeah, because that same policy that

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<v Speaker 2>her husband as the president would then make real because

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<v Speaker 2>he listened to her and she listened.

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<v Speaker 1>To the astrology, and then everyone listens to him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we'll get into all that, but first, let's go

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<v Speaker 2>back in time. You're gonna go, yeah, do you want

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<v Speaker 2>to do a Huey Lewis Esse.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know my first concert that I ever saw

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<v Speaker 1>was Huey Lewis State Fair Calexville's amazing, He's incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, Yes, could you give us a little

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<v Speaker 2>Huey Lewis Sands the News?

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<v Speaker 1>UHM, gonna go back.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Huey Lewis Sands the News Right, Well, I was

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<v Speaker 2>just you know, calling him up for the eighties of

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<v Speaker 2>it all. They're back in time. But anyway, Ronald Reagan,

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<v Speaker 2>what was that all about? Right? Who knows you remember

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<v Speaker 2>how they called each other mommy and daddy? Yes, right,

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<v Speaker 2>that's kind of what you're saying with the freaky right.

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<v Speaker 2>I always thought that was eerie. Anyway, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>do that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna call everybody Mommy, Andy, just anybody.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's cool. Like I like you. You earned it.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw you've been across the bar Mommy and Daddy.

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<v Speaker 1>Continue Mommy, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway. The year's nineteen forty seven. Ronald Reagan's movie career

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<v Speaker 2>has been sidelined by World War Two. The star of

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<v Speaker 2>New Rockney All American aka Win One for the Gipper, right,

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<v Speaker 2>that guy? That was his biggest hit, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>but that was back in nineteen forty, so now he's

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<v Speaker 2>seven years past that. He's not been getting parts after

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<v Speaker 2>the war. In total, I don't know if you know this,

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<v Speaker 2>Reagan was in fifty three films really. His last film

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<v Speaker 2>was The Killers. Anyways, At this point is stalling, Reagan

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<v Speaker 2>decides I'm gonna run for office. He's elected to be

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<v Speaker 2>the president of SAG YEP Screen Actors Guild March tenth,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen forty seven. Now in April, he's interviewed by the

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<v Speaker 2>FBI and he supplies the agents with a list of

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<v Speaker 2>suspected communists and Communist sympathizers in Hollywood. Right now, here's

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<v Speaker 2>a little Tinseltown history for you, Elizabeth. The Hollywood Blacklist

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<v Speaker 2>was created under Reagan's presidency of SAG. Yeah, in October

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<v Speaker 2>of that same year, forty seven. He had known commed

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<v Speaker 2>hater Walt Disney. They like tag team together, and they

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<v Speaker 2>went to Washington and appeared before the House un American

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<v Speaker 2>Activities Committee, which were the first They were the first

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<v Speaker 2>witnesses in the hearings that would eventually give us the

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<v Speaker 2>Hollywood Blacklist and the Red Scare.

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<v Speaker 1>And destroy careers of geniuses.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, completely, and when it was Reagan's turn, he

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<v Speaker 2>sang like a bird. Reagan took their stand. He named names,

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<v Speaker 2>and I mean he was like a phone book just

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<v Speaker 2>spitting out names.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>He was like he named friends, co workers on film sets,

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<v Speaker 2>anyone he suspected being likely communists.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, Like that's the thing is that it was

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<v Speaker 1>just even if he had a whiff, it's not like

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<v Speaker 1>he suspected the actual party.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't have like a picture of their card you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, oh, he's a card carrying communist. No, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just like he.

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<v Speaker 1>Smokes clothes, cigarettes and suspicious.

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<v Speaker 2>He likes too many German expressionist films. I think he's

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<v Speaker 2>a communist Anyway, big moment in the beginning of the

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<v Speaker 2>wave would be called Red Scare. Okay, Reagan plays his part.

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<v Speaker 2>This turn by the Reagan into becoming an anti commi

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<v Speaker 2>witch hunter. This caused tensions with his wife at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>actress Jane Wyman, and the two prepaired divorced. Now, this

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<v Speaker 2>was about when Ronald Reagan made his big switch from

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<v Speaker 2>being a Democrat who had backed Truman in forty eight

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<v Speaker 2>and once called Roosevelt a true hero. Right, he becomes

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<v Speaker 2>an Eisenhower Republican in fifty two. Yeah, just switch a road. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>there was another big change in his life around this

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<v Speaker 2>same time. Well, Reagan was president of SAG. This young

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<v Speaker 2>actress came calling upon him. Right, the year was nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>forty nine. The actress was named Nancy Davis. Can you

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<v Speaker 2>guess why Nancy Davis first came into Ronald's office that

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<v Speaker 2>day when he was SAG president?

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<v Speaker 1>Like you, Susponso.

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<v Speaker 2>Is the chimp in the office. Excuse she was worried

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<v Speaker 2>about her name appearing on a list of communist sympathizers. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's not what you would suspect, Elizabeth. It turns

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<v Speaker 2>out the suspected comedy was a different Nancy Davis, and

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<v Speaker 2>she's like, I don't want that girl getting my career

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<v Speaker 2>all messed up.

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<v Speaker 1>She's like, let's change my name by you marrying me.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly simplified things now, just as sure as Quentin Tarantina

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<v Speaker 2>Love's feet. Nancy Reagan was no comy, right, but she

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<v Speaker 2>was single and the two hit it off. Nancy was

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eight, Ronnie was thirty eight, and then, obviously, she

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<v Speaker 2>married Ronnie. She becomes Nancy Reagan now. According to her biographer,

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<v Speaker 2>Nancy had been scheming for months about how she get

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<v Speaker 2>into Ronnie's pants. Right. She finessed it so she felt

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<v Speaker 2>she had to now lock it down and make him

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<v Speaker 2>put a ring on it. Nancy's plan work breage brilliantly

0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:47.319
<v Speaker 2>he did, and she had more plans, many many more

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<v Speaker 2>plans for him. Right now, let's get forward again. This

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<v Speaker 2>year is now nineteen fifty three. For it, we've gone

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<v Speaker 2>four years forward. Right. The name Reagan is now practically

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<v Speaker 2>mud in Hollywood. He's not only not getting parts of Reagan.

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<v Speaker 2>At this point, the name Reagan wouldn't even get you

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<v Speaker 2>like a a table to Brown Derby. Right, he's just

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<v Speaker 2>like falling off. Ronald Reagan was on his way to

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<v Speaker 2>officially becoming a has been B movie actors right. Right

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<v Speaker 2>by this point, he's making mostly forgettable westerns. He's already

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<v Speaker 2>made his classic man in a Chimp movie, Bedtime for Bonzo.

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<v Speaker 2>That's in the past. Right at this point, he's he's

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<v Speaker 2>making B movies with the titles like quote, She's working

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<v Speaker 2>her way through college.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the name of the movie.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the name of the title. Trust me, that

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<v Speaker 2>title makes the flick sound far more interesting than it was.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, legitimately just like a cinema verite, a lady.

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<v Speaker 2>Working her way through college. Anyway, year nineteen fifty three,

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<v Speaker 2>Eisenhower's president. We're in a very staid time in America.

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<v Speaker 2>Reagan is forty two years old, and he's looking around

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<v Speaker 2>for what's he gonna do. You know, if big time,

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<v Speaker 2>like lasting Hollywood fame was gonna happen, it would have

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<v Speaker 2>happened by now. He knows that ship is saled, so

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<v Speaker 2>he's willing to face the writing on the wall. He

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<v Speaker 2>has to come up with a new Reagan. Reagan, also,

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<v Speaker 2>mind you, was deeply in debt. He's got a Malibu

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<v Speaker 2>ranch cost him eighty five thousand dollars. He's got another

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen grand and assorted debts all told, that's one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and three thousand dollars. I know you like the translation,

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<v Speaker 2>give it to me one point two million in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so he's one point two million in debt.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but like, imagine what a Malibu ranch. What does

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<v Speaker 1>the Malibu ranch go for today?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, yeah, it's like fifty million dollar proper.

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<v Speaker 2>It would be ridiculous. Yeah, you know he got in early.

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<v Speaker 2>He got in good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, the dude also has responsibilities. His divorce from Jane

0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:27.800
<v Speaker 2>Wyman's left him paying five hundred month in child support.

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<v Speaker 2>He's got a new baby with his wife Nancy. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I remember, as I said, he's not getting cast much.

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<v Speaker 2>So Reagan's income is basically coming from whatever roles he

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<v Speaker 2>can get from one off appearances on TV shows or

0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:41.360
<v Speaker 2>personal appearances for corporations like he's doing as he's doing

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<v Speaker 2>trade shows ads like conventions. Right, So Reagan's talent agency

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<v Speaker 2>is still a big time agency. It's MCA Lou Wasserman's

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<v Speaker 2>old place. His agents tell Reagan they got a new

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<v Speaker 2>gig for him right now. It would be a show Well,

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<v Speaker 2>it's in a show room, right, and then it's in

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<v Speaker 2>the newly made pleasure Oasis in the desert Las Vegas.

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<v Speaker 2>They're looking to bring in like, you know, Hollywood types,

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<v Speaker 2>recognizable faces from TV to impress the tourists and make them,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, give a little touch of glamour Hollywood. Who, right,

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<v Speaker 2>come on, what do you think Reagan? Regan's I don't know,

0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:13.360
<v Speaker 2>is there maybe he kind of thinking about it, know

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<v Speaker 2>what he wants to do now. They thought Reagan would

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<v Speaker 2>just do absolutely fine as a touch of Hollywood, because

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<v Speaker 2>that's basically what his career is, a touch of Hollywood. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>He is recognizable, but he's not a big star. People

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<v Speaker 2>know him. So his agents they know he needs the money.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're like, Regan, come on, let's take it. He's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, he's not the ideal career move right. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's nineteen fifty three. Vegas at this point is still

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<v Speaker 2>the sticks.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, totally.

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<v Speaker 2>He's making Vegas into what we know. It's not even like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know Sinatra at nineteen sixty Yeah, nobody exactly right.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is like when Fremont Street was completely downtown?

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<v Speaker 2>Is the scene? Right? So the Frontier, the casino, The

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<v Speaker 2>Frontier offered Reagan a bunch of money to come out

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<v Speaker 2>there because they know he didn't want to come, so

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<v Speaker 2>they gave him thirty thousand dollars for two weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>In their show in the in those days, that's three.

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<v Speaker 2>Hundred and forty two thousand dollars in twenty twenty four

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<v Speaker 2>money for two weeks work for Ronald Reagan. He's like,

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<v Speaker 2>Reagan's like, let me think about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you kidding me?

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, let me think about He goes on to Nancy.

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<v Speaker 1>They discussed, Oh, I can imagine she's right.

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<v Speaker 2>She's like, she's not totally into it, but she likes

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<v Speaker 2>the numbers, like that was a big number, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>So they decided they need to follow the advice of

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<v Speaker 2>someone they can trust to help them make these decisions.

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<v Speaker 2>So they turned to Hollywood astrologer Carol Wrider. Oh boy, Now,

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<v Speaker 2>at the time, he had an astrology column in the

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<v Speaker 2>La Times. So the Reagans they flipped through the La

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<v Speaker 2>Times and they found Carol Writer's zodiac breakdown. His horoscope

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<v Speaker 2>on the day for Reagan's horoscope was this is a

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<v Speaker 2>day to listen to the advice of experts. So He's like,

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<v Speaker 2>my agents are experts. I'm taking the job. So Reagan says, yes, Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>you listened to his agent MCA and the.

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<v Speaker 1>Horoscope toty three thousand.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly. Now, that one choice, it was not made by him,

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<v Speaker 2>radically changed his fortunes and the future of America. Two

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<v Speaker 2>years later, Reagan gets a new gig hosting the General

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<v Speaker 2>Electric Theater, which is on TV for the next decade.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that consistent fame to basically plan his next move

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<v Speaker 2>a political career. Soon enough, Reagan's elected the governor of California,

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<v Speaker 2>and both Ronnie and Nancy credited the zodiac and the

0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:15.040
<v Speaker 2>newspaper Psychic for guiding their fate. Exactly. That's when he

0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:17.400
<v Speaker 2>took power as governor. There was that whole Jupiter is

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<v Speaker 2>ascending an event because now they're locked into this lifestyle. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>now that we laid down our star crossed foundation, Elizabeth,

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<v Speaker 2>let's take a break and when we get back I'll

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<v Speaker 2>tell you all about the psychic that shadow ran the

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<v Speaker 2>Reagan White House. And we're back Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, how are you all right?

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<v Speaker 2>So we're talking mommy and Daddy, Yes, Ronnie and Nancy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes. Father.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like a really different Nancy's story. Okay. Over the years,

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<v Speaker 2>after he had guided.

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<v Speaker 1>Them, imagining her like all smeared like coal eyeliners, blood hair,

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<v Speaker 1>like what do you.

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<v Speaker 2>Call baby pin through the nose to Okay, Ever, the years, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>what's his name? Carol Writer? Right, he'd been guiding them

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<v Speaker 2>from his newspaper column, and Nancy Reagan eventually initiates a

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<v Speaker 2>close personal relationship with this Hollywood astrologer to the stars

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<v Speaker 2>Carol Writer. And by the way, this guy is a

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<v Speaker 2>flamboyantly gay man, Okay, like just flamboyant as flamboyant can be.

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<v Speaker 2>And somehow this didn't bother the wagons back then when

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<v Speaker 2>they needed his help. I guess it was like Hollywood hairdressers.

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<v Speaker 1>He's playing roles for.

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<v Speaker 2>Men to be gay if they could, you know, style

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<v Speaker 2>your hair to divine the stars.

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<v Speaker 1>And in that situation, and I think it carries out

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<v Speaker 1>in some communities to this day that if you have

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<v Speaker 1>like if you play a certain role, like you're saying

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<v Speaker 1>a hairdresser or an astrologer.

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<v Speaker 2>What did they prescribe for it?

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<v Speaker 1>But you have to be you can be flamboyant, but

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<v Speaker 1>they have to be kind of sexless. Definitely say yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to you know, they don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>see them like in a relationship or living their life.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really weird. Yeah, I know what you mean with

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<v Speaker 1>that whole scene.

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<v Speaker 2>So that seen they were cool with it. Then apparently anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>Nancy Reagan, what was that all about? What she like? Okay,

0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:12.560
<v Speaker 2>Nancy Reagan back when she was Nancy Davis was a

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<v Speaker 2>total trooper, and I mean like an actress, like she

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<v Speaker 2>was showfolk, the daughter of show folks. Oh really yeah,

0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:19.679
<v Speaker 2>her mother was an actress and her mother helped her

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<v Speaker 2>secure a future in Hollywood. So Nancy Reagan, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>she took care of the rest. She was always a

0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:28.000
<v Speaker 2>shrewd personality. And but she and Ronnie they were, as

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<v Speaker 2>I said, a peculiar couple. And as you know, those

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<v Speaker 2>close to them they say that they as you pointed out,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're kind of freaky. They adored each other in

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<v Speaker 2>more white terms, right, I told you they call each

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<v Speaker 2>other mommy and daddy. But they were also apparently super

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<v Speaker 2>horny for each other, like when they were always down

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<v Speaker 2>for PDA, like the heavy petting in the Oval office.

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<v Speaker 2>Years later, like when they're like, you know, kind of

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<v Speaker 2>wrinkled and old. The White House Doctor said quote, I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like I was a kid watching a sister necking

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<v Speaker 2>on the couch with her boyfriend. Oh my god, you're

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<v Speaker 2>welcome for that visual.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like shuddering. But I'm also kind of like proud

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<v Speaker 1>of them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, call him super prouder. I might get it, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like I want him like lick smacking each other.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're just like they She takes some beef jerky

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<v Speaker 1>in her mouth and she leans over and he receives it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so sweet, and then like as that to the

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<v Speaker 2>jelly beans in his mouth already she like bird fed

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<v Speaker 2>to him.

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<v Speaker 1>She chews up the jelly bellies and choose them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah exactly. They're still warm but half cheered. He

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<v Speaker 2>likes to suck out anyway. Are you trying?

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<v Speaker 1>It can't happen?

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<v Speaker 2>We all rad it, Carol writer, what's up with that guy?

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<v Speaker 2>Why did the Reagans love him so much? Great question?

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<v Speaker 1>I learn more about him.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, as I said, dude was a newspaper astrologer, but

0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:39.960
<v Speaker 2>he was also a personal fortune teller of fabulous psychic

0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:42.520
<v Speaker 2>to the stars. He'd first been recognized as a boy

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<v Speaker 2>having psychic powers by a renowned astrologer named Evangeline Adams,

0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:48.520
<v Speaker 2>who we should do a story about it. Anyway. She

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<v Speaker 2>was a curious one. It was illegal for her to

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<v Speaker 2>be like a psychic and astrologer in New York at

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<v Speaker 2>the time. This is the Madam x era of like

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteen twenties. She was like writing astrology books. The

0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:01.480
<v Speaker 2>ghost writer for her books on astrology was a young

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<v Speaker 2>Aleister Crowley. No, yeah, she was about about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know what's weird again, We've done this for

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<v Speaker 1>a few weeks in a row now and I'm not

0:20:08.480 --> 0:20:11.720
<v Speaker 1>sure how this is happening. I'm talking about a Hollywood

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<v Speaker 1>psychic really yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>On Thursday, so we don't tell each other our stars.

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<v Speaker 1>Its like keeps happening of like compendium. I'm sorry, this

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<v Speaker 1>is just I'm kind of I can't process this. This

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<v Speaker 1>is really weird. It's in the stars totally.

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<v Speaker 2>We're in sync, I guess, yeah, like college roommates.

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<v Speaker 1>Like we were now in the band in sink.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly now, as I said Carol Ryder, when he was fourteen,

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<v Speaker 2>the famous astrologer of Angeline Adams, she told him you

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<v Speaker 2>have great powers, right, and he he's like, oh you

0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:39.760
<v Speaker 2>think so he doesn't listen to her. He's like, that's cool,

0:20:39.840 --> 0:20:42.200
<v Speaker 2>that's neat. But he was like, you know, like I

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<v Speaker 2>would have run away and joined the circus, right. He

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<v Speaker 2>was like, no, I'm going to go become a.

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<v Speaker 1>Lawyer, so I want powers. I want psychic powers.

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<v Speaker 2>Totally.

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<v Speaker 1>That'd be down right, totally want that.

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<v Speaker 2>He went the other way. We kind of denied him.

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<v Speaker 2>He went to U Penn. He gets a law degree,

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<v Speaker 2>he gets a job as a lawyer in a big

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<v Speaker 2>Philadelphia firm, and then he finds he hated it. He's like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is hello, Oh not for Carol Ryder. So he

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<v Speaker 2>did what you would counsel a little to do, Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 1>He quit nice.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, he threw up his deuces and walked down.

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<v Speaker 1>I love quitting jobs.

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<v Speaker 2>He would have made you feel real proud with this,

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<v Speaker 2>because next he started feeding the poor. That was his

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<v Speaker 2>mission was. It was the Great Depression at this point

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<v Speaker 2>in early nineteen thirties, and there was plenty of hungry

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<v Speaker 2>mouths to feet and he's like, I used to be

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<v Speaker 2>a lawyer. I got a little coin in my pocket.

0:21:21.920 --> 0:21:24.840
<v Speaker 2>And so he goes around feeding the homeless and the forgotten.

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<v Speaker 2>So around this time, this is when Carol decides he's

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<v Speaker 2>going to get into astrology full stop. Right, he starts

0:21:30.880 --> 0:21:34.400
<v Speaker 2>reading people's horoscopes. He embraces his powers, but soon, since

0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:36.560
<v Speaker 2>it is the Great Depression, he mostly starts to get in,

0:21:36.920 --> 0:21:40.240
<v Speaker 2>focusing on helping forgotten men get jobs. Oh wow, right,

0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:42.040
<v Speaker 2>he's not even like over there like enriching his pocket.

0:21:42.119 --> 0:21:43.520
<v Speaker 2>He's like, I can get you a job. Go down

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<v Speaker 2>to and he puts his fingers to his head and

0:21:45.560 --> 0:21:48.639
<v Speaker 2>he's like the stockyards and talk to a man named

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<v Speaker 2>Larry or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, there's a man there with a mustache.

0:21:53.000 --> 0:21:56.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so big walrus mustache. Tell him you're from Brooklyn,

0:21:56.680 --> 0:21:58.760
<v Speaker 2>so out of nowhere. He receives this crazy news from

0:21:58.760 --> 0:22:00.880
<v Speaker 2>his doctor. Right, he has a pain in his back

0:22:00.920 --> 0:22:03.159
<v Speaker 2>that won't go away, so he visits a doctor. The

0:22:03.160 --> 0:22:05.000
<v Speaker 2>doctor tells him he has six months to live, and

0:22:05.040 --> 0:22:07.160
<v Speaker 2>he's like, I did not see this coming. What kind

0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:09.840
<v Speaker 2>of powers are these? Anyway, Carol writer freaks out, but

0:22:09.920 --> 0:22:11.600
<v Speaker 2>rather than give in to despair. What does he do?

0:22:11.640 --> 0:22:13.840
<v Speaker 2>He decides, uh, I know what to do. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>read my own horoscope. So he goes to see he

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<v Speaker 2>is a doctor, right, and the stars inform him that

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<v Speaker 2>he just needs to relocate, and he's like, I knew it.

0:22:20.920 --> 0:22:21.760
<v Speaker 2>So he goes west.

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<v Speaker 1>What was it like a parasitic twin.

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<v Speaker 2>That's your guests, the parasitic.

0:22:27.119 --> 0:22:30.480
<v Speaker 1>Anytime anyone's like my back hurts, I'm like you probably twin.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds like parasitic twin.

0:22:32.560 --> 0:22:34.880
<v Speaker 1>Got a calcified parasitic twin in there.

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<v Speaker 2>You got like your little baby brother inside you. He's

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<v Speaker 2>all he's all bone now. Anyway, he goes out there

0:22:41.720 --> 0:22:44.760
<v Speaker 2>and he finds quote physical protection in the Southwest, just

0:22:44.960 --> 0:22:47.080
<v Speaker 2>like the stars in his horoscope had told him.

0:22:47.080 --> 0:22:48.000
<v Speaker 1>Did he go to Sedona?

0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:50.879
<v Speaker 2>No, he went to La. Oh yeah, he ignored his doctor,

0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:52.879
<v Speaker 2>listened to the stars, moves out to La.

0:22:53.040 --> 0:22:54.520
<v Speaker 1>You know what, that's what you gotta do. Sometimes.

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<v Speaker 2>He arrives just in time for the Golden age of Hollywood.

0:22:57.040 --> 0:22:58.920
<v Speaker 2>It's such a good time in the great era of

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<v Speaker 2>studios and Darlot's and like, I don't know, party scenes.

0:23:03.359 --> 0:23:05.679
<v Speaker 2>It was great for Carol writer. Somebody who's fabulous and

0:23:05.760 --> 0:23:09.320
<v Speaker 2>looking to be fabulous for money, right, So the studio

0:23:09.440 --> 0:23:11.320
<v Speaker 2>bosses and the Hollywood power brokers and a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the actors, the actresses, they're big believers in the occult.

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<v Speaker 2>They love this stuff. So they love you know, they

0:23:16.160 --> 0:23:17.440
<v Speaker 2>love stars out there, Elizabeth.

0:23:17.720 --> 0:23:17.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:23:17.960 --> 0:23:19.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So the Carol writer, he finds a happy home

0:23:19.920 --> 0:23:22.439
<v Speaker 2>in Hollywood. He works his way into the Hollywood crowd.

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<v Speaker 2>His big debut as an astrologer to the stars took

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<v Speaker 2>place at Charlie Chaplin's house. He goes to a Charlie

0:23:28.160 --> 0:23:30.760
<v Speaker 2>Chaplin party and just starts reading people's cards and stuff,

0:23:30.800 --> 0:23:33.639
<v Speaker 2>and they're like, this guy's amazing, and everyone's like super

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<v Speaker 2>into it. Anyway, from then on, he's got all the

0:23:35.680 --> 0:23:37.960
<v Speaker 2>Hollywood glitterati around him. They all eager for him to

0:23:37.960 --> 0:23:39.800
<v Speaker 2>come to their parties or for them to go to his.

0:23:40.280 --> 0:23:43.600
<v Speaker 2>So he has I'm talking stars like Clark Gable, Tyrone Power,

0:23:43.960 --> 0:23:46.760
<v Speaker 2>Marlene Dietrich, Betty Grabil, Hetty.

0:23:46.640 --> 0:23:48.720
<v Speaker 1>Lamar personal amazing.

0:23:48.800 --> 0:23:51.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I total a friend of the show, Hetty Lamar,

0:23:51.880 --> 0:23:54.360
<v Speaker 2>great girl, Greg Gal, I love her. Anyway, Apparently this guy,

0:23:54.359 --> 0:23:58.360
<v Speaker 2>he threw incredible parties. As I said, Soares really so imagine, like, well,

0:23:58.359 --> 0:24:00.159
<v Speaker 2>you don't have to imagine. I found one account of

0:24:00.160 --> 0:24:04.720
<v Speaker 2>one of his parties, the Reagan biographer Kitty Kelly. She

0:24:04.840 --> 0:24:07.359
<v Speaker 2>recorded the details of a Carol Ryder party at his

0:24:07.400 --> 0:24:10.720
<v Speaker 2>Hollywood Hills home, and I quote fish were swimming around

0:24:10.800 --> 0:24:13.480
<v Speaker 2>in his pool. For the Pisces party, he rented a

0:24:13.520 --> 0:24:16.560
<v Speaker 2>live lion for my Leo party, and he lined up

0:24:16.560 --> 0:24:20.520
<v Speaker 2>sets of twins for the Gemini party. He served astrologically

0:24:20.560 --> 0:24:23.480
<v Speaker 2>appropriate food such as meat and potatoes for moon children,

0:24:23.800 --> 0:24:26.800
<v Speaker 2>lemon pie for the tart tastes of aries people, and

0:24:26.880 --> 0:24:29.360
<v Speaker 2>hot red peppers for passionate scorpios.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I want his life. I want psychic powers, which

0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:37.800
<v Speaker 1>would be amazing. Seriously, I would love.

0:24:37.600 --> 0:24:41.720
<v Speaker 2>That wanding around in a I want to wear a momoo.

0:24:41.359 --> 0:24:45.439
<v Speaker 1>And throw lavish parties. Guy, I love lavish parties them.

0:24:45.480 --> 0:24:48.800
<v Speaker 1>I like throwing and to go back in time and

0:24:48.840 --> 0:24:50.359
<v Speaker 1>live in that time in Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, totally. It's a good time, very simple in

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<v Speaker 2>some areas.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd just like to imagine what it looks like pre development,

0:24:58.920 --> 0:25:02.399
<v Speaker 1>very burgeoning development of things. Well, you know, there's slice

0:25:02.440 --> 0:25:05.959
<v Speaker 1>and Ladies open black dalliole Oh.

0:25:06.080 --> 0:25:09.000
<v Speaker 2>Nancy Reagan, she was a Carol Writer superfan. Right, so

0:25:09.080 --> 0:25:13.400
<v Speaker 2>she attended his weekly Tuesday night astrology class. Yes, their

0:25:13.440 --> 0:25:16.600
<v Speaker 2>relationship blossomed into a full on like Fengali deal.

0:25:16.720 --> 0:25:16.840
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:25:16.880 --> 0:25:20.320
<v Speaker 2>Okay, he was the Reagans like therapist, their marriage counselor

0:25:20.359 --> 0:25:23.359
<v Speaker 2>their love coach, their life coach, their everything. Right, So,

0:25:23.760 --> 0:25:26.400
<v Speaker 2>following his advice, he coached them right into the California

0:25:26.480 --> 0:25:29.199
<v Speaker 2>Governor's mansion in nineteen sixty seven. He's amazing and this

0:25:29.359 --> 0:25:31.359
<v Speaker 2>was noted by others. This wasn't like a big secret

0:25:31.359 --> 0:25:33.919
<v Speaker 2>because Time magazine took note, because two years later they

0:25:33.960 --> 0:25:36.120
<v Speaker 2>put him on the cover of Time magazine and announced

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<v Speaker 2>it with the headline Astrology and the New Cult of

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<v Speaker 2>the Occult.

0:25:39.480 --> 0:25:39.800
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

0:25:39.960 --> 0:25:42.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like they were about about it. So the article

0:25:42.080 --> 0:25:45.240
<v Speaker 2>mentioned how writer, no longer young, had still attended to

0:25:45.320 --> 0:25:48.439
<v Speaker 2>as many personal clients as Time article noted, quote, the

0:25:48.480 --> 0:25:51.080
<v Speaker 2>phone rings constantly and writer spends much of his time

0:25:51.119 --> 0:25:54.800
<v Speaker 2>in a soft voiced swivet of ooh, moonchild, I'm happy

0:25:54.800 --> 0:25:56.720
<v Speaker 2>to tell you that this is a very good day

0:25:56.800 --> 0:25:59.679
<v Speaker 2>for you. So that's what he was doing towards, you know,

0:25:59.720 --> 0:26:03.640
<v Speaker 2>his golden years. Right after this same man was able

0:26:03.640 --> 0:26:05.720
<v Speaker 2>to guide the Reagans to power. Once the couple were

0:26:05.760 --> 0:26:08.000
<v Speaker 2>in the governor's mansion, you can imagine how the Republican

0:26:08.040 --> 0:26:10.959
<v Speaker 2>staff reacted to this life. They got there right, but

0:26:11.119 --> 0:26:13.639
<v Speaker 2>they had to swallow whatever they thought, because, as the

0:26:13.680 --> 0:26:16.080
<v Speaker 2>campaign consultant Stu Spencer.

0:26:15.920 --> 0:26:17.320
<v Speaker 1>Noted, yes, I know that.

0:26:17.760 --> 0:26:19.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know that. The Nancy warned folks like him

0:26:19.960 --> 0:26:22.120
<v Speaker 2>that quote. She was going to be the bad guy.

0:26:22.520 --> 0:26:24.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah. She came in Darth Vader style, like he's

0:26:24.800 --> 0:26:26.800
<v Speaker 2>the Emperor. I'm Darth Vader. Fear me.

0:26:27.320 --> 0:26:30.640
<v Speaker 1>There is a listener of ours. I think what's her name,

0:26:30.760 --> 0:26:33.960
<v Speaker 1>fran I think I remember because she said she was

0:26:33.960 --> 0:26:38.399
<v Speaker 1>a second generation California and I'm going to want up

0:26:38.400 --> 0:26:42.440
<v Speaker 1>for being a fifth anyway. So she recommended a book

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<v Speaker 1>called The Last Days of the Late Great State of California.

0:26:45.600 --> 0:26:47.560
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, yes, and it has become one of my

0:26:47.560 --> 0:26:48.360
<v Speaker 1>favorite books ever.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes I am, then I have to check that out.

0:26:50.119 --> 0:26:52.399
<v Speaker 1>Eternal debt to her. But one of the so like,

0:26:52.440 --> 0:26:54.520
<v Speaker 1>the first chapter of the book is fiction. It's about

0:26:54.560 --> 0:26:58.800
<v Speaker 1>like an earthquake in California, the ocean. Last chapter fiction.

0:26:59.280 --> 0:27:03.040
<v Speaker 1>The middle part of it is all just like true

0:27:03.359 --> 0:27:06.400
<v Speaker 1>account of California through these years. It's like it came

0:27:06.440 --> 0:27:09.720
<v Speaker 1>out like sixty seven. The book interesting, and so they

0:27:09.800 --> 0:27:13.920
<v Speaker 1>talk about all the consultants, the political consultants who get

0:27:13.920 --> 0:27:16.480
<v Speaker 1>Reagan to where he he is, and so you know,

0:27:16.520 --> 0:27:18.040
<v Speaker 1>how do you get him in the governorship and the

0:27:18.080 --> 0:27:21.679
<v Speaker 1>manipulations of that. Yes, it's insane. It was he just

0:27:21.760 --> 0:27:23.240
<v Speaker 1>created a candidate exactly.

0:27:23.320 --> 0:27:25.440
<v Speaker 2>He was like very much like if you want to

0:27:25.440 --> 0:27:27.920
<v Speaker 2>say Kennedy was the first TV candidate, Reagan was the first,

0:27:28.000 --> 0:27:31.879
<v Speaker 2>like you know, like focus group. So anyway, this is

0:27:31.880 --> 0:27:34.160
<v Speaker 2>how his Republican staff learned to look past the gay

0:27:34.200 --> 0:27:37.399
<v Speaker 2>astrologer who was informing Nancy and Ronald's decision making and

0:27:37.440 --> 0:27:38.240
<v Speaker 2>guiding them to power.

0:27:38.600 --> 0:27:41.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to imagine like all these stiff suits, yes, exactly,

0:27:41.920 --> 0:27:44.080
<v Speaker 1>just like sixty six, right, we got.

0:27:43.920 --> 0:27:46.880
<v Speaker 2>Power you sixty seven, sixty six, sixty seven detectics. Sixty

0:27:46.920 --> 0:27:49.239
<v Speaker 2>six was the election year, sixty seventy takes power. So

0:27:49.600 --> 0:27:51.800
<v Speaker 2>this sort of management, though, wasn't a huge problem for

0:27:51.840 --> 0:27:54.800
<v Speaker 2>when Reagan was governor of California, but it would become

0:27:54.840 --> 0:27:57.280
<v Speaker 2>a problem for them once he considered running for president.

0:27:57.359 --> 0:27:59.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you can get away with a lot out here.

0:27:59.160 --> 0:28:02.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a land of Jerry Brown shaking earth.

0:28:02.520 --> 0:28:04.800
<v Speaker 1>I think it is just amazing. Love him. One of

0:28:04.800 --> 0:28:06.200
<v Speaker 1>the greatest governors we ever had.

0:28:06.119 --> 0:28:07.320
<v Speaker 2>Called Governor Moonbeam himself.

0:28:07.400 --> 0:28:09.480
<v Speaker 1>Well that's do you know why they call him governor Moonbeam. No,

0:28:09.560 --> 0:28:12.520
<v Speaker 1>why you'd think it was because it was all crystals

0:28:12.560 --> 0:28:13.000
<v Speaker 1>and what I.

0:28:12.920 --> 0:28:15.160
<v Speaker 2>Assume that he meditates at night under the moon to beams.

0:28:15.240 --> 0:28:19.600
<v Speaker 1>It's my understanding that he got called governor Moonbeam because

0:28:19.600 --> 0:28:22.760
<v Speaker 1>he wanted to have satellite connections to basically have like

0:28:23.240 --> 0:28:26.520
<v Speaker 1>early Zoom, like has oh wow, phone calls for meetings

0:28:26.720 --> 0:28:29.040
<v Speaker 1>so that you're not traveling all over the state and

0:28:29.119 --> 0:28:32.280
<v Speaker 1>use technology to your benefit. And they were talking about satellite.

0:28:32.280 --> 0:28:34.960
<v Speaker 1>So he wants to be moon That's what I've been told.

0:28:35.080 --> 0:28:39.280
<v Speaker 2>Interesting, well, when Reagan was governor of California, it wasn't

0:28:39.320 --> 0:28:43.160
<v Speaker 2>a problem to maintain all this like back channel with

0:28:43.240 --> 0:28:46.000
<v Speaker 2>the occult. Right. But now once he's going to become president,

0:28:46.040 --> 0:28:47.960
<v Speaker 2>this is going to be an issue. Right, But first

0:28:48.120 --> 0:28:50.920
<v Speaker 2>decide to even run for president, they have to go

0:28:51.000 --> 0:28:54.120
<v Speaker 2>and consult with the occult. Right, So of the Reagan's

0:28:54.160 --> 0:28:56.600
<v Speaker 2>they turned to their life coach and personal astrologer. And

0:28:56.680 --> 0:28:58.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, rather than me just talk about it, I'd

0:28:58.880 --> 0:29:01.280
<v Speaker 2>like to take you there Elizabeth, the fateful decision of

0:29:01.320 --> 0:29:04.960
<v Speaker 2>whether or not Ronald Reagan should run for president. Wait, Elizabeth,

0:29:05.000 --> 0:29:05.920
<v Speaker 2>I'd like you to close your.

0:29:05.800 --> 0:29:09.480
<v Speaker 1>Eyes as close and picture it.

0:29:09.480 --> 0:29:11.640
<v Speaker 2>It's early in the year in the bis Entennaial of

0:29:11.680 --> 0:29:15.120
<v Speaker 2>America nineteen seventy six, and everyone seems to be in

0:29:15.160 --> 0:29:19.120
<v Speaker 2>a patriotic mood, well most everyone. At the moment. You

0:29:19.240 --> 0:29:21.760
<v Speaker 2>are at a sprawling estate in the Hollywood Hills. The

0:29:21.800 --> 0:29:24.760
<v Speaker 2>house is a pillared, beauty, classical, well appointed. It's the

0:29:24.840 --> 0:29:26.840
<v Speaker 2>kind of house that has a nickname. The owner calls

0:29:26.840 --> 0:29:30.560
<v Speaker 2>it Harmony House. Once a month he hosts fabulous zodiac

0:29:30.600 --> 0:29:32.840
<v Speaker 2>themed parties for the Hollywood elite to come and act

0:29:32.880 --> 0:29:36.680
<v Speaker 2>out their eyes wide shut fantasies. Elizabeth, you are the

0:29:36.800 --> 0:29:40.400
<v Speaker 2>dog groomer for the astrologer to the Stars, Carrol Ryder. Yeah,

0:29:40.440 --> 0:29:42.960
<v Speaker 2>and you're currently using scissors and combs to shape the

0:29:42.960 --> 0:29:45.840
<v Speaker 2>fur puffs of a pair of French poodles. The one

0:29:45.840 --> 0:29:48.600
<v Speaker 2>you're currently trimming is thankfully willing to stand poised and

0:29:48.640 --> 0:29:51.880
<v Speaker 2>proud as you snip away across the great room, seated

0:29:51.920 --> 0:29:55.120
<v Speaker 2>on a seventeenth century chair, working on an an ornate

0:29:55.240 --> 0:29:58.520
<v Speaker 2>desk covered in framed photos of classic stars like Joan

0:29:58.600 --> 0:30:02.680
<v Speaker 2>Fontaine and Grace Kelly, Princess of Monaco. Is Carol Writer

0:30:03.120 --> 0:30:05.840
<v Speaker 2>wearing a silk smoking jacket. He's working at an old

0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:10.080
<v Speaker 2>royal typewriter, working on his astrology column. The quietude is

0:30:10.080 --> 0:30:13.800
<v Speaker 2>interrupted by a loud, gonging sound. That's the doorbell to

0:30:13.840 --> 0:30:16.360
<v Speaker 2>Harmony House. You hear a butler greet the visitor, and

0:30:16.400 --> 0:30:19.000
<v Speaker 2>then from their approaching footsteps you can hear what sounds

0:30:19.040 --> 0:30:22.440
<v Speaker 2>like a woman drawing near her high heels are staccato

0:30:22.520 --> 0:30:25.800
<v Speaker 2>against the marble tile floor. The butler and a woman

0:30:26.120 --> 0:30:29.480
<v Speaker 2>wearing a kerchief and sunglasses, clearly meant to avoid being seen,

0:30:29.880 --> 0:30:33.760
<v Speaker 2>enters the great room. The butler announces her, Nancy Davis,

0:30:33.840 --> 0:30:36.720
<v Speaker 2>to see you, mister Ryder. You look up from the

0:30:36.720 --> 0:30:39.160
<v Speaker 2>French poodle and you nearly spit out your big red

0:30:39.200 --> 0:30:42.560
<v Speaker 2>cinnamon gum because you see, despite her kerchief and sunglasses,

0:30:42.680 --> 0:30:45.320
<v Speaker 2>that's the first lady at California and you do not

0:30:45.480 --> 0:30:47.640
<v Speaker 2>like her. Her husband put a number of your friends

0:30:47.640 --> 0:30:50.880
<v Speaker 2>in San Francisco behind bars for minor possession charges. What

0:30:51.080 --> 0:30:53.760
<v Speaker 2>is she doing here? You give a look to Carol

0:30:53.840 --> 0:30:55.800
<v Speaker 2>Rider to see if you should leave, but with a

0:30:55.840 --> 0:30:58.840
<v Speaker 2>graceful hand he suggests you stay and finish grooming his

0:30:58.920 --> 0:31:02.920
<v Speaker 2>French poodles. The woman Nancy Davis aka Nancy Reagan greets

0:31:02.920 --> 0:31:06.360
<v Speaker 2>the astrologer Carol Rider. They air kiss and exchange pleasantries.

0:31:06.600 --> 0:31:09.080
<v Speaker 2>You look away and keep your scissors busy cleaning up

0:31:09.120 --> 0:31:12.480
<v Speaker 2>puffs of poodle. Nancy Reagan and Carol Rder huddle at

0:31:12.480 --> 0:31:15.200
<v Speaker 2>his desk. You're trying not to listen to their hush tones,

0:31:15.240 --> 0:31:18.160
<v Speaker 2>but then Nancy gets a little heated and says, rather loudly,

0:31:18.440 --> 0:31:22.080
<v Speaker 2>should Ronnie run for president? You're hoping the stars are

0:31:22.120 --> 0:31:24.600
<v Speaker 2>not aligned, but you can't help it. As you listen

0:31:24.880 --> 0:31:28.880
<v Speaker 2>to Carol Writer read Nancy and Ronnie's star charts. After

0:31:28.920 --> 0:31:31.840
<v Speaker 2>a moment of study of the stars, Carol Writer tells

0:31:31.920 --> 0:31:36.920
<v Speaker 2>Nancy the timing isn't right. Nancy does not want to

0:31:36.920 --> 0:31:39.600
<v Speaker 2>hear this. She barks back, why must we wait? Why

0:31:39.640 --> 0:31:40.360
<v Speaker 2>can't we go now?

0:31:40.480 --> 0:31:40.760
<v Speaker 1>Why?

0:31:40.920 --> 0:31:44.800
<v Speaker 2>Why? Why? This is a direct quote, You think to yourself,

0:31:44.840 --> 0:31:47.600
<v Speaker 2>She's like an angry little girl. Carol Writer smooths down

0:31:47.640 --> 0:31:50.160
<v Speaker 2>the lapel of his silk smoking jacket, thinks a moment

0:31:50.400 --> 0:31:54.040
<v Speaker 2>you wait to hear his reply. Carol Writer tells Nancy

0:31:54.720 --> 0:31:58.760
<v Speaker 2>the stars impel. They don't compel. What you make of

0:31:58.800 --> 0:32:03.080
<v Speaker 2>your life depends on you. This is not unique advice.

0:32:03.160 --> 0:32:05.640
<v Speaker 2>This is actually the disclaimer he adds to his astrology

0:32:05.640 --> 0:32:08.080
<v Speaker 2>column in the La Times. You have to fight back

0:32:08.120 --> 0:32:10.120
<v Speaker 2>a laugh, but you no longer want to laugh. As

0:32:10.160 --> 0:32:13.240
<v Speaker 2>for the next hour, you have to listen as you

0:32:13.320 --> 0:32:17.880
<v Speaker 2>groom the two French poodles. Nancy Reagan beg plead, badger,

0:32:18.120 --> 0:32:21.640
<v Speaker 2>browbeat and guilty astrologer to telling her what she wants

0:32:21.680 --> 0:32:24.400
<v Speaker 2>to hear. You admire how he stays firm and grace

0:32:24.400 --> 0:32:27.280
<v Speaker 2>will and unflappable. Finally, he tells Nancy Reagan that she

0:32:27.360 --> 0:32:30.040
<v Speaker 2>needs to go, to leave and to think deeply about

0:32:30.080 --> 0:32:32.920
<v Speaker 2>what the stars are telling her. She agrees to go,

0:32:33.000 --> 0:32:36.200
<v Speaker 2>but she'll contact him soon. Her high heels walk back

0:32:36.240 --> 0:32:38.360
<v Speaker 2>to the front door, led by the butler. You hear

0:32:38.400 --> 0:32:41.040
<v Speaker 2>the click clack recede into the distance. The front door

0:32:41.080 --> 0:32:45.160
<v Speaker 2>opens closes. That's when Carol Ryder finally lets out the

0:32:45.480 --> 0:32:48.440
<v Speaker 2>deeply annoyed sigh he's been holding in, and he loudly

0:32:48.480 --> 0:32:54.800
<v Speaker 2>exclaims that woman, she wears me out. You can't help it.

0:32:54.840 --> 0:32:56.360
<v Speaker 2>You laugh, and he laughs, and the two of you

0:32:56.400 --> 0:32:58.920
<v Speaker 2>share a laugh at Nancy Reagan's thirstiness.

0:33:00.800 --> 0:33:04.000
<v Speaker 1>No, two things. Yes, one, I want to live in

0:33:04.040 --> 0:33:09.880
<v Speaker 1>that picture. It's amazing. I want that too.

0:33:10.200 --> 0:33:10.520
<v Speaker 2>Yes.

0:33:10.640 --> 0:33:14.360
<v Speaker 1>Why did she think she could browbeat him to change

0:33:14.400 --> 0:33:15.160
<v Speaker 1>the stars?

0:33:15.720 --> 0:33:17.920
<v Speaker 2>I do not get You go to somebody to tell

0:33:17.960 --> 0:33:20.560
<v Speaker 2>you what the stars say and you yell at the sky. Yeah,

0:33:20.720 --> 0:33:23.200
<v Speaker 2>you gotta just listen. That's what you're going to them for.

0:33:23.400 --> 0:33:25.920
<v Speaker 2>Otherwise you can just tell yourself whatever, Why do you

0:33:25.960 --> 0:33:26.800
<v Speaker 2>need them involved?

0:33:26.800 --> 0:33:27.719
<v Speaker 1>And it is what it is.

0:33:27.840 --> 0:33:31.000
<v Speaker 2>It's got a fortune cookie and interpret it. Yeah, anyway,

0:33:31.080 --> 0:33:33.880
<v Speaker 2>Nancy Reagan, she decided not to listen to her astrologer's advice.

0:33:34.040 --> 0:33:37.080
<v Speaker 2>She found a different astrologer who'd tell her what she'd

0:33:37.120 --> 0:33:39.040
<v Speaker 2>want to hear, and then she told her husband that

0:33:39.120 --> 0:33:42.040
<v Speaker 2>he should indeed run for president in nineteen seventy six.

0:33:42.600 --> 0:33:45.760
<v Speaker 2>He was in the stars, He did, and he lost

0:33:45.800 --> 0:33:49.080
<v Speaker 2>the primary. Carol Ryder was correct, it.

0:33:49.120 --> 0:33:50.320
<v Speaker 3>Was not at times.

0:33:50.800 --> 0:33:52.520
<v Speaker 2>Well, that may have been not the right moment for

0:33:52.520 --> 0:33:54.280
<v Speaker 2>the Reagans. As we all know, they didn't have to

0:33:54.320 --> 0:33:57.080
<v Speaker 2>wait long because four years later, in nineteen eighty, Ronald

0:33:57.080 --> 0:33:59.400
<v Speaker 2>Reagan ran again for the White House, and that time

0:33:59.520 --> 0:34:03.520
<v Speaker 2>the Reagan spoiler alert. Carol Ryder became a frequent guest

0:34:03.520 --> 0:34:06.240
<v Speaker 2>at the Reagan White House, which did not play well. However,

0:34:06.440 --> 0:34:07.840
<v Speaker 2>by then he was a very old man and he

0:34:07.880 --> 0:34:10.080
<v Speaker 2>didn't care. And also he knew he would not outlive

0:34:10.080 --> 0:34:12.600
<v Speaker 2>the Reagan's presidency. If you can believe it, Carol Rider

0:34:12.719 --> 0:34:16.200
<v Speaker 2>correctly predicted the date of his own death. Really anyway,

0:34:16.320 --> 0:34:18.480
<v Speaker 2>Knowing he didn't have long, the astrologer knew he needed

0:34:18.480 --> 0:34:21.080
<v Speaker 2>to turn the reins over to another astrologer who could

0:34:21.080 --> 0:34:25.640
<v Speaker 2>divine the future for Nancy Reagan. Enter Joanne Quigley. She

0:34:25.800 --> 0:34:28.880
<v Speaker 2>was a San Francisco based astrologer. She was raised in

0:34:28.920 --> 0:34:31.920
<v Speaker 2>knob Hill. A child of wealth and privilege. She attended Vassar.

0:34:32.160 --> 0:34:34.160
<v Speaker 2>She went on to publish books on astrology. She was

0:34:34.160 --> 0:34:36.120
<v Speaker 2>also on the talk show circuit. You could find her

0:34:36.120 --> 0:34:39.799
<v Speaker 2>on MERV Griffin's show. It was MERV who brought her

0:34:39.840 --> 0:34:43.320
<v Speaker 2>to the Reagan's orbit. Yeah, okay, but what do you

0:34:43.320 --> 0:34:45.560
<v Speaker 2>think happened on March thirtieth, nineteen eighty one that pushed

0:34:45.600 --> 0:34:48.200
<v Speaker 2>Nancy Reagan to seek out an astrologer that she could

0:34:48.200 --> 0:34:50.560
<v Speaker 2>count on and depend on for life advice? Is that

0:34:50.600 --> 0:34:52.120
<v Speaker 2>when he shot her husband got shot.

0:34:52.239 --> 0:34:52.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:34:52.640 --> 0:34:55.799
<v Speaker 2>Yes, less than three months into his presidency, someone tried

0:34:55.800 --> 0:34:59.800
<v Speaker 2>to assassinate Ronald Reagan in order to impress Jodie Foster. Yeah,

0:35:00.400 --> 0:35:03.160
<v Speaker 2>nut job. Rightly, he was convinced that if he killed Reagan,

0:35:03.239 --> 0:35:05.280
<v Speaker 2>Jody Foster would want to go out with him or something.

0:35:06.360 --> 0:35:07.240
<v Speaker 1>A lot of barriers.

0:35:07.400 --> 0:35:09.480
<v Speaker 2>I got some bad news for you about who Jody

0:35:09.480 --> 0:35:12.239
<v Speaker 2>Foster prefers. Anyway, he went through with it. He damn

0:35:12.280 --> 0:35:14.160
<v Speaker 2>near killed Reagan. I don't know if you know this,

0:35:14.239 --> 0:35:17.360
<v Speaker 2>but how close he came to dying. Yeah, apparently the

0:35:17.360 --> 0:35:19.560
<v Speaker 2>press secretary took a note at the time, doctors believe

0:35:19.640 --> 0:35:23.400
<v Speaker 2>bleeding to death. Right. He also recorded other diagnostics doctors

0:35:23.400 --> 0:35:25.080
<v Speaker 2>had told him in the in the er, they said,

0:35:25.440 --> 0:35:27.799
<v Speaker 2>can't find a wound. Think we're going to lose him,

0:35:27.920 --> 0:35:31.480
<v Speaker 2>rapid loss of blood pressure, touch and go. Yeah. So

0:35:31.520 --> 0:35:34.120
<v Speaker 2>the bullet that hit Reagan left a quote, tiny jagged

0:35:34.200 --> 0:35:37.120
<v Speaker 2>slit in Reagan's side, and the doctor didn't notice it.

0:35:37.160 --> 0:35:39.480
<v Speaker 2>None of the doctors noticed it until they'd stripped Reagan.

0:35:39.719 --> 0:35:41.720
<v Speaker 2>After they cut off his clothes and he was naked

0:35:41.719 --> 0:35:44.520
<v Speaker 2>on the gurney, one of them spotted a tiny entry

0:35:44.520 --> 0:35:46.560
<v Speaker 2>wound and in that nice you get a picture of

0:35:46.600 --> 0:35:48.719
<v Speaker 2>naked Reagan on a gurney. Anyway, thank you, It wasn't

0:35:48.719 --> 0:35:50.520
<v Speaker 2>even a doctor who noticed the bullet wound. It was

0:35:50.560 --> 0:35:52.840
<v Speaker 2>an intern who had been in Vietnam War, and he

0:35:52.920 --> 0:35:55.080
<v Speaker 2>was like, that's a bullet wound, and he pointed it

0:35:55.120 --> 0:35:56.879
<v Speaker 2>out and he's like, yeah, there's no exit wounds. Three

0:35:56.920 --> 0:36:00.000
<v Speaker 2>hours of surgery later, the surgeons discovered the bullet just

0:36:00.160 --> 0:36:02.920
<v Speaker 2>chilling a couple inches away from his heart. The bullet

0:36:02.960 --> 0:36:05.839
<v Speaker 2>was in Reagan's left lung. When the president finally came around,

0:36:05.880 --> 0:36:09.719
<v Speaker 2>he wrote on a pad, I'm alive, aren't I Right? Then,

0:36:09.760 --> 0:36:11.759
<v Speaker 2>when Nancy was finally at his bedside, he joked his

0:36:11.800 --> 0:36:15.840
<v Speaker 2>older honey, I forgot to duck. So he joked with

0:36:15.880 --> 0:36:20.239
<v Speaker 2>his attending doctors, I hope you all were all Republicans.

0:36:21.040 --> 0:36:25.399
<v Speaker 2>Weeks Reagan was back at work in the White House. Yes, yeah, Yet, though,

0:36:25.440 --> 0:36:28.040
<v Speaker 2>there was a new error about him, because, as Nancy

0:36:28.040 --> 0:36:31.960
<v Speaker 2>Reagan biographer Karen Tumulty wrote that Reagan quote saw a

0:36:32.000 --> 0:36:34.320
<v Speaker 2>divine hand in the fact that he had been spared,

0:36:34.360 --> 0:36:36.880
<v Speaker 2>which made him more convinced than ever that there was

0:36:36.880 --> 0:36:40.440
<v Speaker 2>a purpose at work in his presidency. So now he's

0:36:40.480 --> 0:36:44.200
<v Speaker 2>all messianic. He's God's chosen president. Meanwhile, Nancy got deeper

0:36:44.200 --> 0:36:47.759
<v Speaker 2>into the occult. So, as her biographer Tumulty wrote, quote,

0:36:47.800 --> 0:36:50.239
<v Speaker 2>her astrology was a crutch. Nancy didn't have religion to

0:36:50.280 --> 0:36:53.000
<v Speaker 2>fall back on, and Ronald Reagan had a very deep

0:36:53.040 --> 0:36:56.600
<v Speaker 2>religious faith. He truly believed God had a plan for him.

0:36:56.960 --> 0:36:59.120
<v Speaker 2>But despite his Christian faith, Ronnie was cool with his

0:36:59.120 --> 0:37:01.560
<v Speaker 2>wife's love of Ay. As Nancy wrote in her memoir,

0:37:01.719 --> 0:37:04.600
<v Speaker 2>Reagan told her, quote, if it makes you feel better,

0:37:04.719 --> 0:37:07.040
<v Speaker 2>go ahead and do it. He also cautioned her, but

0:37:07.120 --> 0:37:10.000
<v Speaker 2>it might look a little odd if it ever came out. Now,

0:37:10.080 --> 0:37:12.279
<v Speaker 2>as the leader of the Free world, he couldn't have

0:37:12.440 --> 0:37:15.160
<v Speaker 2>allies and enemies, or the American people believing that an

0:37:15.200 --> 0:37:19.479
<v Speaker 2>astrologer was shaping White House policies. Now that was the case.

0:37:19.480 --> 0:37:21.520
<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth will take a break, and after this I will

0:37:21.520 --> 0:37:44.640
<v Speaker 2>tell you how that eventually came out. All right, Elizabeth,

0:37:44.640 --> 0:37:47.440
<v Speaker 2>we're back here. I am there you are. He told

0:37:47.480 --> 0:37:50.360
<v Speaker 2>me you'd be here. It okay, Leader of the Free World,

0:37:50.680 --> 0:37:52.520
<v Speaker 2>his wife's into the occult. You got to keep this

0:37:52.560 --> 0:37:55.480
<v Speaker 2>a secret, right, Nancy's leaning on astrologers to keep her

0:37:55.560 --> 0:38:00.880
<v Speaker 2>husband safe from future assassinations. Now, astrology in the White House, right, this,

0:38:01.080 --> 0:38:04.160
<v Speaker 2>as I said, mainly started after the assassination. The thing was,

0:38:04.360 --> 0:38:07.920
<v Speaker 2>Nancy had been warned about the assassination.

0:38:07.680 --> 0:38:10.880
<v Speaker 1>Really by whom after the fact, her old warned.

0:38:10.920 --> 0:38:14.160
<v Speaker 2>After the fact, her old friend, MERV Griffin contacted her.

0:38:14.400 --> 0:38:15.799
<v Speaker 1>He's like spoiler alerts, and.

0:38:15.680 --> 0:38:18.160
<v Speaker 2>He told her an astrologer had told him that in

0:38:18.200 --> 0:38:20.520
<v Speaker 2>the president's chart quote they saw something bad would happen

0:38:20.560 --> 0:38:24.320
<v Speaker 2>that day. So apparently they got told. BRV got told beforehand,

0:38:24.360 --> 0:38:25.320
<v Speaker 2>Nancy got told anything.

0:38:25.280 --> 0:38:27.480
<v Speaker 1>He was just like sitting in the kaftan in Palm

0:38:27.480 --> 0:38:29.640
<v Speaker 1>Springs and like, I slipped my mind to tell her.

0:38:29.719 --> 0:38:31.480
<v Speaker 2>I meant to tell you, but you were busy. So

0:38:31.640 --> 0:38:35.920
<v Speaker 2>when she hears Nancy said, with an actor's theatricality, oh

0:38:35.960 --> 0:38:38.719
<v Speaker 2>my god, I could have stopped it. So now she's

0:38:38.760 --> 0:38:41.200
<v Speaker 2>on a mission, right, So MERV Griffin connects her with

0:38:41.280 --> 0:38:45.360
<v Speaker 2>this psychic astrologer's friend of hers, Joan Quiggly, and uh,

0:38:45.760 --> 0:38:47.880
<v Speaker 2>this means at this point now the president will be

0:38:47.920 --> 0:38:51.120
<v Speaker 2>guided by a San Francisco astrologer who has Nancy's ear right.

0:38:51.320 --> 0:38:54.960
<v Speaker 2>Her influence lasted seven years, the whole first term and

0:38:55.080 --> 0:38:57.800
<v Speaker 2>all but the last few months of Reagan's second term.

0:38:58.000 --> 0:39:00.160
<v Speaker 2>In nineteen eighty eight, the open Secret came out to

0:39:00.200 --> 0:39:03.000
<v Speaker 2>the public. You see, Nancy Reagan made an enemy and

0:39:03.160 --> 0:39:06.600
<v Speaker 2>he knew the astrology secret. When she came for him,

0:39:06.960 --> 0:39:10.920
<v Speaker 2>he struck back at her. Oh and that awesome. So,

0:39:11.680 --> 0:39:14.120
<v Speaker 2>in her own words, Nancy Reagan knew that relying on

0:39:14.120 --> 0:39:16.359
<v Speaker 2>an astrologer to keep her husband safe and to make

0:39:16.440 --> 0:39:18.680
<v Speaker 2>decisions for the America's future and the future you know,

0:39:18.800 --> 0:39:20.799
<v Speaker 2>all of the people was not a good idea. She

0:39:20.880 --> 0:39:24.440
<v Speaker 2>knew that, right, but she didn't care. Nancy Reagan was like, no,

0:39:24.560 --> 0:39:27.040
<v Speaker 2>that is what's good for Nancy Reagan will hopefully be

0:39:27.080 --> 0:39:30.279
<v Speaker 2>good for most of the people. Now. She was hooked right.

0:39:30.480 --> 0:39:33.200
<v Speaker 2>As she wrote in her autobiography, she said that her

0:39:33.280 --> 0:39:37.000
<v Speaker 2>relationship with the astrologer Joanne Quigley quote began as a crutch.

0:39:37.080 --> 0:39:39.399
<v Speaker 2>Within a year or two it had become a habit. Oh,

0:39:39.440 --> 0:39:41.480
<v Speaker 2>she's like a star chart junkie. This my right, so

0:39:41.520 --> 0:39:45.080
<v Speaker 2>her biography or Kitty Kelly, she wrote that quote. Nancy

0:39:45.080 --> 0:39:47.440
<v Speaker 2>Reagan relied on Joanne Quigley. She would call her sometimes

0:39:47.520 --> 0:39:50.880
<v Speaker 2>eight times a day for almost everything, down to unbelievable details,

0:39:50.880 --> 0:39:53.480
<v Speaker 2>including the takeoff and landing times for Air Force One.

0:39:54.080 --> 0:39:56.920
<v Speaker 2>That was astrology that charted their way. Nobody knew that

0:39:57.000 --> 0:39:57.479
<v Speaker 2>at the time.

0:39:58.120 --> 0:40:01.799
<v Speaker 1>Wait like that, Oh wow, yes, and you know home

0:40:01.800 --> 0:40:04.000
<v Speaker 1>girl's sitting there in San Francisco and every time she

0:40:04.040 --> 0:40:05.680
<v Speaker 1>takes a call, she's like making a note in the

0:40:05.760 --> 0:40:07.640
<v Speaker 1>ledger how many hours this is.

0:40:07.880 --> 0:40:11.319
<v Speaker 2>Also, it was a costly relationship because when you're keeping

0:40:11.360 --> 0:40:13.799
<v Speaker 2>that secret, you know, you can charge a gazill right

0:40:13.840 --> 0:40:14.840
<v Speaker 2>so quickly.

0:40:14.480 --> 0:40:16.760
<v Speaker 1>She was another thing, I want to do a psyche

0:40:16.800 --> 0:40:19.680
<v Speaker 1>powers and then charge up the huha for it.

0:40:19.800 --> 0:40:21.960
<v Speaker 2>She was paid by the hour and had a retainer.

0:40:22.080 --> 0:40:24.480
<v Speaker 2>She was like a lawyer. She was kept on retainer

0:40:24.520 --> 0:40:26.439
<v Speaker 2>to the tune of three grand a month. That would

0:40:26.440 --> 0:40:29.440
<v Speaker 2>be ninety five hundred and twenty twenty four dollars. Nancy

0:40:29.440 --> 0:40:32.800
<v Speaker 2>Reagan was sent monthly bills to pay the monthly retainer,

0:40:33.360 --> 0:40:35.520
<v Speaker 2>and aedy racked up charges for the month. The bill

0:40:35.520 --> 0:40:37.719
<v Speaker 2>obviously was not sent to the White House, but it

0:40:37.800 --> 0:40:39.600
<v Speaker 2>was sent to a private zip code that was then

0:40:39.719 --> 0:40:42.840
<v Speaker 2>routed to the presidential residence in the White House. But

0:40:42.920 --> 0:40:46.560
<v Speaker 2>so it's kind of circumvented. Most of they unwonted oversight. Yeah,

0:40:46.600 --> 0:40:49.040
<v Speaker 2>then she had an old friend in California reportedly pay

0:40:49.080 --> 0:40:51.880
<v Speaker 2>the astrologers monthly bills on behalf of the President and

0:40:51.920 --> 0:40:55.040
<v Speaker 2>the first Lady. That created a layer of removal, and

0:40:55.239 --> 0:40:57.280
<v Speaker 2>that way there's no direct evidence. There was no checks

0:40:57.280 --> 0:41:01.040
<v Speaker 2>from Nancy Reagon to of San Francisco Astrology. So at

0:41:01.040 --> 0:41:03.840
<v Speaker 2>this point, to make sure her husband stayed safe from assassins,

0:41:03.880 --> 0:41:07.720
<v Speaker 2>Nancy Reagan would give her private astrologer the president's upcoming schedule.

0:41:08.239 --> 0:41:10.120
<v Speaker 2>You know that, Like the Secret Service would have just

0:41:10.320 --> 0:41:13.640
<v Speaker 2>lost it, oh completely if they knew. They did not

0:41:13.880 --> 0:41:17.600
<v Speaker 2>know that Nancy kept it super hush. So over time,

0:41:17.680 --> 0:41:20.560
<v Speaker 2>Nancy came to trust her astrologer's psychic quickly, so much

0:41:20.560 --> 0:41:22.439
<v Speaker 2>that she asked her advice on how Reagan should handle

0:41:22.440 --> 0:41:26.600
<v Speaker 2>the Soviet Union and nuclear proliferation and the ongoing Cold War.

0:41:27.000 --> 0:41:28.839
<v Speaker 2>Of course, her psychic was like, I got you boo,

0:41:28.920 --> 0:41:33.360
<v Speaker 2>hand me my star charts. In order for astrologer's prognostications

0:41:33.360 --> 0:41:35.000
<v Speaker 2>that have sway over the White House, Nancy had to

0:41:35.040 --> 0:41:37.600
<v Speaker 2>find a willing accomplice, right, an insider she could trust

0:41:37.640 --> 0:41:41.279
<v Speaker 2>and manipulate and terrify. Right, So she found the perfect accomplice,

0:41:41.320 --> 0:41:44.040
<v Speaker 2>this dude named Michael Deaver. He was one of Reagan's

0:41:44.040 --> 0:41:46.600
<v Speaker 2>closest advisers, right. He was keen to help her get

0:41:46.640 --> 0:41:50.120
<v Speaker 2>away with this. So their influence campaign started first with

0:41:50.480 --> 0:41:55.000
<v Speaker 2>managing the president's scheduling. Nancy Reagan's biographer Tomlty documented the

0:41:55.000 --> 0:41:58.120
<v Speaker 2>secret partnership. She wrote that quote Deaver would dither and

0:41:58.160 --> 0:42:00.480
<v Speaker 2>then insist, for example, that the president and his plane

0:42:00.560 --> 0:42:03.400
<v Speaker 2>takeoff for a foreign trip at precisely to eleven am.

0:42:03.800 --> 0:42:06.839
<v Speaker 2>He concocted stories to tell the traveling press a pre

0:42:06.960 --> 0:42:09.560
<v Speaker 2>dawn takeoff. It was deemed to have been dictated by

0:42:09.640 --> 0:42:12.640
<v Speaker 2>medical advice on how to avoid jet lag. So he

0:42:12.760 --> 0:42:16.440
<v Speaker 2>was just lying. So meanwhile, Reagan's chief of staff, James Baker,

0:42:16.920 --> 0:42:19.759
<v Speaker 2>he was not down with astrology or really any of

0:42:19.760 --> 0:42:22.520
<v Speaker 2>the occult so he just pretended none of this was happening,

0:42:23.520 --> 0:42:26.359
<v Speaker 2>just exactly like, I don't know what that's that's not

0:42:26.400 --> 0:42:29.040
<v Speaker 2>happening over there. Let me look at my watch. Oh

0:42:29.080 --> 0:42:31.279
<v Speaker 2>I love my watch. Now he had to wait on

0:42:31.360 --> 0:42:34.560
<v Speaker 2>Quigley to tell Nancy when the president could address the nation,

0:42:34.840 --> 0:42:37.880
<v Speaker 2>hold a press conference, all sorts of stuff, imagining the

0:42:38.120 --> 0:42:39.960
<v Speaker 2>chief of staff at the White House, and you got away.

0:42:39.800 --> 0:42:42.560
<v Speaker 1>All weird times, like the press conference starts at three

0:42:42.680 --> 0:42:43.640
<v Speaker 1>forty seven, the.

0:42:43.560 --> 0:42:46.439
<v Speaker 2>Plane leaves it to eleven am exactly, So James Baker

0:42:46.480 --> 0:42:49.600
<v Speaker 2>recalled at the time, quote, when we wanted to schedule

0:42:49.600 --> 0:42:51.759
<v Speaker 2>a big thing like a press conference, he'd say, let

0:42:51.760 --> 0:42:53.840
<v Speaker 2>me take a look at it. Then we figured he

0:42:53.920 --> 0:42:56.200
<v Speaker 2>and Nancy would talk about the date. Now it's clear

0:42:56.239 --> 0:42:59.000
<v Speaker 2>that they were clearing it all with her with the astrologist.

0:42:59.239 --> 0:43:01.239
<v Speaker 2>So he found out way later. That's how much he

0:43:01.280 --> 0:43:03.360
<v Speaker 2>was like head in the sand about this. After the

0:43:03.400 --> 0:43:06.319
<v Speaker 2>first term, Deaver decides he'd had enough of life in

0:43:06.360 --> 0:43:09.280
<v Speaker 2>the White House. He's like, this sucks. So eight nineteen

0:43:09.280 --> 0:43:12.080
<v Speaker 2>eighty four, after Reagan's re elected, Deaver begins to prep

0:43:12.120 --> 0:43:14.560
<v Speaker 2>his replacement get him to be cool with the whole

0:43:14.600 --> 0:43:18.840
<v Speaker 2>astrologer's shadow influence on the White House. Deaver insisted his

0:43:18.960 --> 0:43:20.879
<v Speaker 2>replacement be cool with this, so he invites him out

0:43:20.880 --> 0:43:22.319
<v Speaker 2>for a drink to kind of like tell him how

0:43:22.320 --> 0:43:24.479
<v Speaker 2>it goes. He breaks it to him right. The dude

0:43:24.560 --> 0:43:28.440
<v Speaker 2>was quote flabbergasting, and he told him and I quote,

0:43:28.600 --> 0:43:31.919
<v Speaker 2>holy Mike, I thought you were a madman. I can't

0:43:31.960 --> 0:43:34.719
<v Speaker 2>believe you had to do this. Now now it was

0:43:34.760 --> 0:43:37.719
<v Speaker 2>his responsibility, and he took it on. This dude's name

0:43:37.760 --> 0:43:39.960
<v Speaker 2>was Bill Hankel, and now he fell under Nancy's powers

0:43:39.960 --> 0:43:43.040
<v Speaker 2>of persuasion just the same as Deaver had. Soon enough,

0:43:43.040 --> 0:43:45.239
<v Speaker 2>he's keeping her secrets too, no questions about it. All

0:43:45.280 --> 0:43:48.120
<v Speaker 2>it took was the strategic confession of her fears. You see,

0:43:48.200 --> 0:43:52.600
<v Speaker 2>Nancy confided to him how Reagan's near assassination terrified her

0:43:52.800 --> 0:43:54.960
<v Speaker 2>and she would do anything to keep the president safe.

0:43:55.040 --> 0:43:57.640
<v Speaker 2>Nancy told him, and I quote Bill, I want you

0:43:57.640 --> 0:44:00.719
<v Speaker 2>to understand and feel what it was like. I saw

0:44:00.920 --> 0:44:04.840
<v Speaker 2>six doctors with panic in their eyes. My naked husband.

0:44:05.400 --> 0:44:09.160
<v Speaker 2>I knew he was dying. So there you go. Nancy

0:44:09.239 --> 0:44:11.799
<v Speaker 2>Reagan wants you to feel fear. That's gotta be a

0:44:11.840 --> 0:44:15.360
<v Speaker 2>weird moment. And then she uses naked Ronald Reagan to

0:44:15.440 --> 0:44:18.960
<v Speaker 2>make you understand fear. That would do it for me.

0:44:19.880 --> 0:44:21.880
<v Speaker 2>Do it for me anyway, so that.

0:44:21.880 --> 0:44:23.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm made of stronger stuff?

0:44:23.200 --> 0:44:25.680
<v Speaker 2>Do you have? I worked in two naked Reagan into

0:44:25.680 --> 0:44:28.200
<v Speaker 2>the same thing anyway entered Donald Reagan.

0:44:29.400 --> 0:44:30.560
<v Speaker 1>It's like from the waist up.

0:44:30.840 --> 0:44:32.400
<v Speaker 2>Okay, there you go, cartoon mine.

0:44:32.239 --> 0:44:35.640
<v Speaker 1>And it's very like a Kendall smooth.

0:44:35.320 --> 0:44:38.719
<v Speaker 2>From it's okay, oh, I gave like a waxy and place.

0:44:38.760 --> 0:44:40.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so it's just a wax figure.

0:44:41.120 --> 0:44:45.120
<v Speaker 2>So former Treasury Secretary Donald Reagan, he becomes Reagan's new

0:44:45.160 --> 0:44:48.760
<v Speaker 2>chief of staff after James Baker's like deuces, and oh boy,

0:44:48.840 --> 0:44:52.719
<v Speaker 2>did he hate Nancy Reagan. I just saw Red hated her, right,

0:44:52.800 --> 0:44:56.640
<v Speaker 2>and Nancy hated him. So one time, after she'd called

0:44:56.640 --> 0:44:59.239
<v Speaker 2>his office for like the three hundred and seventy seventh time,

0:44:59.600 --> 0:45:02.279
<v Speaker 2>he barred no one in particular, I'm not the chief

0:45:02.320 --> 0:45:05.640
<v Speaker 2>of staff of the first lady. Oh yeah, that kind

0:45:05.640 --> 0:45:09.240
<v Speaker 2>of sexist. So Nancy, he liked to say of Donald Reagan, quote,

0:45:09.400 --> 0:45:12.880
<v Speaker 2>don thought he was the president. Yeah. So the lines

0:45:12.880 --> 0:45:14.720
<v Speaker 2>in the sand were drawn, and it didn't take Nancy

0:45:14.719 --> 0:45:16.279
<v Speaker 2>long to figure out what she needed to do, which

0:45:16.320 --> 0:45:17.920
<v Speaker 2>is run a White House coup and get rid of

0:45:17.960 --> 0:45:20.640
<v Speaker 2>Donald Reagan. So how does she do this? To get

0:45:20.760 --> 0:45:23.040
<v Speaker 2>rid of Donald Reagan? She needed something that wouldn't point

0:45:23.120 --> 0:45:25.480
<v Speaker 2>back at her. So she's like, I'm Nancy, I can

0:45:25.520 --> 0:45:28.320
<v Speaker 2>figure this. Moment she waits, she finds the perfect excuse

0:45:28.360 --> 0:45:31.200
<v Speaker 2>in the form of the Iran Contra affair. Oh my god,

0:45:31.320 --> 0:45:33.400
<v Speaker 2>she uses that as a spatchelor let to flip him

0:45:33.400 --> 0:45:36.480
<v Speaker 2>out of the White House. Yes, when that sordid scandal

0:45:36.520 --> 0:45:39.640
<v Speaker 2>broke and rocked to the Reagan White House, Nancy slightly

0:45:39.719 --> 0:45:42.239
<v Speaker 2>used all the negative attention to oust Donald Reagan like

0:45:42.239 --> 0:45:45.640
<v Speaker 2>it's him. Oh yeah, that's easy, orchestrates his removal. Boom,

0:45:45.640 --> 0:45:47.880
<v Speaker 2>he's out. But a man like Donald Reagan, he's not

0:45:47.920 --> 0:45:51.480
<v Speaker 2>gonna go quiet. He's gonna remember he waited. Meanwhile, he

0:45:51.520 --> 0:45:55.120
<v Speaker 2>wrote a book, and in that book he documented everything

0:45:55.160 --> 0:45:57.600
<v Speaker 2>he knew and everything he could allege. And it comes

0:45:57.600 --> 0:45:59.960
<v Speaker 2>out in nineteen eighty eight, just in time, well Reagan

0:46:00.120 --> 0:46:03.640
<v Speaker 2>still president election year. Donald Reagan made sure that Nancy's

0:46:03.640 --> 0:46:05.920
<v Speaker 2>big secret was revealed in a way that it looked

0:46:06.239 --> 0:46:11.440
<v Speaker 2>maximally manipulative and conniving. And so for Reagan wrote, and

0:46:11.480 --> 0:46:15.000
<v Speaker 2>I quote, virtually every major move and decision that Reagan's

0:46:15.000 --> 0:46:17.840
<v Speaker 2>made during my time as White Elf chief of staff

0:46:17.920 --> 0:46:20.920
<v Speaker 2>was cleared in advance with a woman in San Francisco

0:46:21.000 --> 0:46:24.360
<v Speaker 2>who drew up horoscopes to make certain that the planets

0:46:24.360 --> 0:46:27.600
<v Speaker 2>were in a favorable alignment. He also wrote that he

0:46:27.640 --> 0:46:30.879
<v Speaker 2>didn't personally know the astrologer's name or her identity. Now

0:46:31.000 --> 0:46:34.160
<v Speaker 2>the news of the book hits right, Nancy springs into action.

0:46:34.360 --> 0:46:38.040
<v Speaker 2>She contacts her astrologer, and Nancy tells her the any

0:46:38.120 --> 0:46:40.719
<v Speaker 2>like busy body reporters come sniffing around her place. The

0:46:40.760 --> 0:46:44.919
<v Speaker 2>astrologer is to deny the story. Yeah, and I quote lie.

0:46:44.960 --> 0:46:48.040
<v Speaker 2>If you have to just lie, you can't say anything.

0:46:48.960 --> 0:46:51.680
<v Speaker 2>So that's her approach. Didn't take long for the reporters

0:46:51.719 --> 0:46:54.600
<v Speaker 2>to get to San Francisco. They find the astrologer. Remember,

0:46:54.680 --> 0:46:57.399
<v Speaker 2>it's an open secret. So the astrologer psychic was only

0:46:57.400 --> 0:46:59.359
<v Speaker 2>too happy to come forward and to tell her side

0:46:59.400 --> 0:47:01.320
<v Speaker 2>of the story. She completely ignored.

0:47:01.400 --> 0:47:02.520
<v Speaker 1>Nancy told her to.

0:47:02.560 --> 0:47:04.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly is her chance. So she told a reporter

0:47:04.960 --> 0:47:07.760
<v Speaker 2>from the Associated Press that she was quote a serious

0:47:07.920 --> 0:47:12.080
<v Speaker 2>scientific astrologer. To clarify what that meant, she added, and

0:47:12.120 --> 0:47:14.560
<v Speaker 2>I quote, I am really not one of those clowns.

0:47:14.640 --> 0:47:18.400
<v Speaker 2>And I really don't like the circus atmosphere. So she's serious,

0:47:18.640 --> 0:47:20.840
<v Speaker 2>She's dead serious. Yeah. Anyway, soon enough she had a

0:47:20.840 --> 0:47:24.720
<v Speaker 2>book deal, so she cashed in on all that the

0:47:24.719 --> 0:47:27.160
<v Speaker 2>circus atmosphere she didn't like. She made it work for

0:47:27.160 --> 0:47:29.240
<v Speaker 2>her in the name of the name of a book. Quote,

0:47:29.480 --> 0:47:32.480
<v Speaker 2>what does Jones say my seven years as a White

0:47:32.520 --> 0:47:34.600
<v Speaker 2>House astrologer to Nancy and Ronald Reagan?

0:47:34.680 --> 0:47:35.879
<v Speaker 1>I kind of want to read that, right.

0:47:35.920 --> 0:47:38.320
<v Speaker 2>So once the story broke and their San Francisco astrologery

0:47:38.400 --> 0:47:41.320
<v Speaker 2>is unmasked, the White House had to spring into damage control.

0:47:41.440 --> 0:47:44.120
<v Speaker 2>Right Press secretary of the time Marlin Fitzwater, he tried

0:47:44.160 --> 0:47:47.480
<v Speaker 2>to contain any damage from the psychic scandal. May fourth,

0:47:47.600 --> 0:47:50.000
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty eight. He holds a White House press briefing

0:47:50.120 --> 0:47:53.520
<v Speaker 2>downplays Donald Reagan's claims quote, it's true that Missus Reagan

0:47:53.600 --> 0:47:56.080
<v Speaker 2>has an interest in astrology. She has for some time,

0:47:56.400 --> 0:47:59.640
<v Speaker 2>particularly following the assassination attempt in March of nineteen eighty one.

0:48:00.000 --> 0:48:02.280
<v Speaker 2>He was very concerned for her husband's welfare, and astrology

0:48:02.280 --> 0:48:04.960
<v Speaker 2>has been part of her concern in terms of his activities.

0:48:05.239 --> 0:48:07.960
<v Speaker 2>The New York Times also reported that, quote, mister Fitzwater

0:48:08.000 --> 0:48:10.880
<v Speaker 2>acknowledged that the President has a superstitious streak. He often

0:48:10.920 --> 0:48:13.480
<v Speaker 2>talks and speeches about quote lucky numbers and jokes that

0:48:13.560 --> 0:48:17.160
<v Speaker 2>the ghost of Abraham Lincoln resides in the White House. Well, yeah,

0:48:17.200 --> 0:48:19.319
<v Speaker 2>so they just wanted to basically connect all the dots.

0:48:19.680 --> 0:48:22.280
<v Speaker 2>So Ron reag was eventually asked about this by reporters

0:48:22.320 --> 0:48:24.000
<v Speaker 2>and they're like shouting at him because he won't answer

0:48:24.040 --> 0:48:27.920
<v Speaker 2>the questions. Eventually he replies, quote no policy or decision

0:48:27.920 --> 0:48:31.520
<v Speaker 2>in my mind has ever been influenced by astrology. Okay,

0:48:31.680 --> 0:48:34.760
<v Speaker 2>so that raised the question, other than scheduling, what influence

0:48:34.920 --> 0:48:36.279
<v Speaker 2>did Quiggly have?

0:48:36.560 --> 0:48:36.640
<v Speaker 1>Like?

0:48:36.800 --> 0:48:40.040
<v Speaker 2>How much influence did this San Francisco psychic really scheduling?

0:48:40.800 --> 0:48:43.600
<v Speaker 2>In her nineteen ninety memoir, quickly claimed that she advised

0:48:43.600 --> 0:48:46.359
<v Speaker 2>the President not to play it so tough in negotiations

0:48:46.360 --> 0:48:49.800
<v Speaker 2>with Mikhail Gorbachev and the Soviet Union. She told Nancy

0:48:49.800 --> 0:48:53.239
<v Speaker 2>Reagan that, quote, Ronnie's evil empire attitude has got to go,

0:48:53.920 --> 0:48:57.200
<v Speaker 2>so quickly claimed in nineteen eighty six, in the hours

0:48:57.239 --> 0:48:59.960
<v Speaker 2>before a summit in Iceland between the Soviet Union and

0:49:00.000 --> 0:49:03.600
<v Speaker 2>in the US that focused on nuclear disarmament, quickly read

0:49:03.640 --> 0:49:06.480
<v Speaker 2>the star charts of Reagan and Gorbachev, and she told

0:49:06.560 --> 0:49:10.640
<v Speaker 2>Nancy Reagan their horoscopes. In a twenty fourteen interview, Quiggily recalled,

0:49:11.040 --> 0:49:14.640
<v Speaker 2>I affected the relationship between the superpowers by my reading

0:49:14.719 --> 0:49:18.040
<v Speaker 2>of Gorbachev's horoscope. What does she mean by that? Elizabeth Well,

0:49:18.040 --> 0:49:21.600
<v Speaker 2>in her own words, quickly told Nancy Reagan, quote, Gorbachev's

0:49:21.640 --> 0:49:24.800
<v Speaker 2>aquarian planet is in such harmony with Ronnie's. You'll see

0:49:24.920 --> 0:49:28.640
<v Speaker 2>they'll share a vision now. Nancy Reagan reported that to

0:49:28.680 --> 0:49:31.239
<v Speaker 2>the White House advisor, specifically, she told Bill Hankel the

0:49:31.239 --> 0:49:33.520
<v Speaker 2>good news right She's like, oh, great news, no nuclear

0:49:33.560 --> 0:49:37.120
<v Speaker 2>war whatever. Right, So Henkel, he wrote in his autobiography, quote,

0:49:37.160 --> 0:49:40.160
<v Speaker 2>she came back saying, these two have by the stars

0:49:40.200 --> 0:49:44.960
<v Speaker 2>some good vibes. So I guess the psychic astrology was right,

0:49:44.960 --> 0:49:47.600
<v Speaker 2>because the world did get nuclear disarmament. And so there

0:49:47.680 --> 0:49:50.640
<v Speaker 2>you go. I admit there was no explicit criminal prosecution

0:49:50.719 --> 0:49:53.719
<v Speaker 2>of Nancy, but I said, you know that there was

0:49:53.760 --> 0:49:56.840
<v Speaker 2>an alleged criminal scandal run by Nancy Reagan and the

0:49:56.880 --> 0:49:59.360
<v Speaker 2>news that Ronald Reagan was secretly being guided by a

0:49:59.400 --> 0:50:02.080
<v Speaker 2>San Francisco astrology I mean, you got to admit that's ridiculous.

0:50:02.160 --> 0:50:04.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's both ridiculous and slightly criminals.

0:50:04.239 --> 0:50:06.120
<v Speaker 2>So what's your ridiculous?

0:50:06.160 --> 0:50:10.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh boy, howdy, I need psychic powers because let's make

0:50:10.480 --> 0:50:13.319
<v Speaker 1>it all about me for a second course, as I do,

0:50:13.719 --> 0:50:18.480
<v Speaker 1>I need psych I think too that it's fascinating. I'm

0:50:18.520 --> 0:50:24.160
<v Speaker 1>not like astrology person. I have you know, close friends

0:50:24.160 --> 0:50:26.560
<v Speaker 1>who are and it's like a serious thing for them,

0:50:27.040 --> 0:50:29.000
<v Speaker 1>and I respect that.

0:50:29.480 --> 0:50:31.359
<v Speaker 2>I respect anything that the person to get through the deck.

0:50:31.440 --> 0:50:33.000
<v Speaker 1>But you know, you're talking about how he would say

0:50:33.080 --> 0:50:35.759
<v Speaker 1>lucky numbers, and there are so many things that we

0:50:35.840 --> 0:50:39.800
<v Speaker 1>do that are you know, woo. And you know, even

0:50:39.880 --> 0:50:43.560
<v Speaker 1>like the stock market is astrology for bros. You know,

0:50:43.640 --> 0:50:44.080
<v Speaker 1>it's like.

0:50:44.920 --> 0:50:47.560
<v Speaker 2>It's like one of those mood rocks for capitalists.

0:50:47.560 --> 0:50:50.240
<v Speaker 1>Totally, so I think, you know, we can't we can't

0:50:50.239 --> 0:50:53.200
<v Speaker 1>look too unkindly on it. Plus, I know they got

0:50:53.320 --> 0:50:55.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, the psychics, but then you also had like

0:50:55.600 --> 0:50:59.320
<v Speaker 1>at that time, like Cheney and Rumsfeld, you know, scooting

0:50:59.360 --> 0:51:00.480
<v Speaker 1>around out of that.

0:51:00.520 --> 0:51:02.879
<v Speaker 2>Uh Ford White House going when do we get power?

0:51:04.440 --> 0:51:05.040
<v Speaker 2>To get power?

0:51:05.239 --> 0:51:08.400
<v Speaker 1>They were more influential than it. But it's like, Zaren,

0:51:08.920 --> 0:51:09.920
<v Speaker 1>what's your ridiculous take?

0:51:10.239 --> 0:51:15.560
<v Speaker 2>It's so refreshing, so naked Ronald Reagan, right. I love

0:51:15.600 --> 0:51:18.279
<v Speaker 2>that that Nancy gets that, you know, the thing that

0:51:18.320 --> 0:51:21.120
<v Speaker 2>she loves is also the way to make someone taste fear.

0:51:23.120 --> 0:51:25.240
<v Speaker 2>Turns me on. But this will make you taste fear.

0:51:26.000 --> 0:51:27.080
<v Speaker 2>So there you go. That's mine.

0:51:27.120 --> 0:51:27.800
<v Speaker 1>It's beautiful.

0:51:27.920 --> 0:51:29.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh hey, you in the mood for a talkback?

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