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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth Dutton Zaren Burnette.

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Speaker 1: So good to see you, really good to see you.

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Speaker 2: I've been good. That's great. I got a question for you.

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Speaker 2: Do you know it's ridiculous?

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Speaker 1: Oh heavens, do I listen? Valentine's Day is ridiculous? Oh

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Speaker 1: don't you think?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I think it's like a garbage day.

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Speaker 2: What is even the story of that one? Really? Saint

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Speaker 2: Valentine like shot someone in the heart with an arrow

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Speaker 2: and we all celebrate. What is the real story?

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Speaker 1: Did you know he's the patron saint of lovers?

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Speaker 2: Yes? I did know that, Eliabeth, I did. Okay, Epleptics, No,

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Speaker 2: I did not know that one. And Beekeepers I did

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Speaker 2: not know that one either. Right.

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Speaker 1: But see that's I'm saying Valentine's date. But we're not

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Speaker 1: here for Saint Valentine. We're just gonna go somewhere different

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Speaker 1: with Valentine's state. Okay, we got a hot tip from

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Speaker 1: Instagram friend Sophia Techno.

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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you Sophia tech.

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Speaker 1: Now, oh she's the best. She passed along, are they?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Sophia Techno passed along a really terrifying company.

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Speaker 1: It's called manly Man. Manly Man. Yeah, they're tough. It

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Speaker 1: said his love language, cured meat God. So basically it's

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Speaker 1: a beef jerky company.

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Speaker 2: I like that just as an adjective. This is a

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Speaker 2: beef jerky company. It's like it's Mickey Mouse. It's beef jerky.

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Speaker 1: So they sell jerked beef and they have meat hearts,

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Speaker 1: which are like you know those candy hearts.

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Speaker 2: I know it. Beef hearts aren't.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's me meat hearts and they're heart shaped and

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Speaker 1: it says stuff like XO XO love. Some say beefmine

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Speaker 1: Hello the hearts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's there's jerky, but it's meat yeah, looks

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Speaker 2: oh god.

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Speaker 1: So some of them say you plus me, meet me, okay,

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Speaker 1: but then there's naughty hearts.

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Speaker 2: They meet me was not naughty meat hearts? What's the noughty?

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Speaker 2: Can you give me an example?

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to look, and it's like they won't show

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Speaker 1: pictures of the naughty. Oh wait, it says hot, wild, spicy,

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Speaker 1: eat me sexy, and then a devil emoji. Anyway, So

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Speaker 1: they have all these Valentine's Day gifts for men because

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Speaker 1: most men apparently only eat meat and not chocolate. They

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Speaker 1: sell beef jerky flowers, so you can do a bouquet

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Speaker 1: of beef jerky.

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Speaker 2: Flowers edible arrangement essentially quote.

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Speaker 1: Most of our manly gift sets are available in three

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Speaker 1: different versions, gift boxes, ammo can gift baskets and tactical

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Speaker 1: Christmas stocking kits. EAT are based on different themes and

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Speaker 1: include products both curated through a thoughtful selection process and

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Speaker 1: custom designed at our headquarters located in sunny southern California.

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Speaker 1: This is so Orange County. I can't take it. There's

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Speaker 1: a bloody Mary gift set, bacon scented gift wrapping paper.

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Speaker 1: This is edible greeting cards like they write on beef jerky. Oh,

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Speaker 1: and the whole thing is just like fragile, toxic masculinity.

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Speaker 1: But aside from that, Zaren, maybe if you're good, Saint

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Speaker 1: Valentine will give you some beef.

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Speaker 2: He'll meet me something.

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Speaker 1: Will yeah, spicy anyway, sorry about that. I'm just going

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Speaker 1: that was a long daddy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was ridiculous though, Thank you, Elizabeth. I know

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Speaker 2: as a California native.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you know, I love to talk about that. I'm

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Speaker 1: like the Anthony Kias over here.

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Speaker 2: We're going to test that today. You know that Ronald

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Speaker 2: Reagan was once the governor of this great state? Oh man, yes,

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Speaker 2: but you may not know this next one. Did you

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Speaker 2: know that when Ronald Reagan was sworn in as governor

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Speaker 2: of California in nineteen sixty seven, Yes, he scheduled his

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Speaker 2: inauguration to occur exactly at twelve ten am.

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Speaker 1: What like, right after midnight?

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Speaker 2: Why would Ronnie Reagan want to become governor at exactly

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Speaker 2: ten past midnight? I don't know, great question, Elizabeth. Well,

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Speaker 2: because at that precise moment, Jupiter would be at its zenith.

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Speaker 1: Wait are you kidding me?

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Speaker 2: And as any good occultists can tell you, Jupiter is

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Speaker 2: the symbol for kings. But not only that, Elizabeth, Jupiter

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Speaker 1: And boys go to Jupiter to get stupider. Exactly midnight,

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Speaker 1: it was Wait, that's what he inaugurated? What?

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Speaker 2: Yes, this is all true story. If you asked the

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Speaker 2: newly elected governor's executive secretary that night, he would have

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Speaker 2: told you, as he told reporters at the time, Governor

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Speaker 2: Reagan quote is not guided by the stars, nor do

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Speaker 2: we intend to have stargazers in the administration. He was

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Speaker 2: lying they had stargazers in the administration anyway. But if

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Speaker 2: you asked the newly elected governor's wife, she would have

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Speaker 2: told you, oh that that was my idea, because Ronnie

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Speaker 2: and I are we're down with the mysticism. Not a

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Speaker 2: direct quote, but that woman, of course was Nancy.

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Speaker 1: Reagan and nance Okay.

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Speaker 2: Get ready for a wild one.

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Speaker 3: Oh boy, this is Ridiculous Crime a podcast about absurd

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Speaker 3: and outrageous capers, heists and cons It's always ninety nine

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Speaker 3: percent murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Sure, Nancy Reagan, Yeah, all right. Now, these days you

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Speaker 2: see her get mentioned from time to time on social media,

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Speaker 2: usually for what she did as a First Lady of

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Speaker 2: the United States. Either you know about like the just

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Speaker 2: Say No drug wearing his campaign, she did sit on

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Speaker 2: lap she did for a Christmas photo. Very yeah, he

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Speaker 2: puts he was a Santa and she was I think

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Speaker 2: miss Elf. She was an elf.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, these days you'll read also read online about how apparently,

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Speaker 2: back in her Hollywood days, the former First Lady was

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Speaker 2: rumored to be quite a crowd pleaser, Elizabeth. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: One might say, yeah, a little bit saucy.

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Speaker 2: She liked a party.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in like risk ways.

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Speaker 2: She was a goat.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I am. I have a relative who was sort

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Speaker 1: of in the circles Pasadena kind of like.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that whole like wild like uh, astronomers in Hollywood,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she knew the Reagans. I mean, this isn't like

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Speaker 1: a contemporary of mine. It's she's long deceased, but like

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Speaker 1: she's amazing, sounds amazing, And she knew them, and she's

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Speaker 1: always like, they're freaks. They are freaky deaky. Now I'm

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Speaker 1: like ten, being like tell me, tell me everything, and

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Speaker 2: She told them all, Oh okay, you're just like listening

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Speaker 2: around the corner. Yeah, I'm like, what, what's a freak?

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Speaker 2: You're looking up freaks? You just shut down, you're more confused.

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Speaker 1: She got down with a lot of fellas.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Nancy, yeah, not your no, no, no, no, no, of course, Now, Elizabeth.

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Speaker 2: The thing to know about Nancy Reagan is she was

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Speaker 2: always crazy cunning, a true operator, as this story will

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Speaker 2: in particular go to show, she was also the real

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Speaker 2: power behind the throne. Right, that's not a lot of

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Speaker 2: people know that. It's not a big secret, but we'll

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Speaker 2: get into that anyway. To keep them hold that power

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Speaker 2: for her and Ronnie, Nancy relied on a cadre of

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Speaker 2: psychics and astrologers. In fact, Nancy Reagan let astrologers decide

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Speaker 2: American foreign policy. Amazing, Yeah, because that same policy that

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Speaker 2: her husband as the president would then make real because

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Speaker 1: To the astrology, and then everyone listens to him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get into all that, but first, let's go

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Speaker 2: back in time. You're gonna go, yeah, do you want

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Speaker 2: to do a Huey Lewis Esse.

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Speaker 1: Do you know my first concert that I ever saw

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Speaker 1: was Huey Lewis State Fair Calexville's amazing, He's incredible.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, Yes, could you give us a little

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Speaker 2: Huey Lewis Sands the News?

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Speaker 1: UHM, gonna go back.

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Speaker 2: Well, Huey Lewis Sands the News Right, Well, I was

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Speaker 2: just you know, calling him up for the eighties of

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Speaker 2: it all. They're back in time. But anyway, Ronald Reagan,

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Speaker 2: what was that all about? Right? Who knows you remember

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Speaker 2: how they called each other mommy and daddy? Yes, right,

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Speaker 2: that's kind of what you're saying with the freaky right.

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Speaker 2: I always thought that was eerie. Anyway, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna call everybody Mommy, Andy, just anybody.

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Speaker 2: I think it's cool. Like I like you. You earned it.

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Speaker 2: I saw you've been across the bar Mommy and Daddy.

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Speaker 1: Continue Mommy, okay.

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Speaker 2: Anyway. The year's nineteen forty seven. Ronald Reagan's movie career

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Speaker 2: has been sidelined by World War Two. The star of

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Speaker 2: New Rockney All American aka Win One for the Gipper, right,

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Speaker 2: that guy? That was his biggest hit, by the way,

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Speaker 2: seven years past that. He's not been getting parts after

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Speaker 2: the war. In total, I don't know if you know this,

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Speaker 2: Reagan was in fifty three films really. His last film

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Speaker 2: the president of SAG YEP Screen Actors Guild March tenth,

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Speaker 2: suspected communists and Communist sympathizers in Hollywood. Right now, here's

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Speaker 2: a little Tinseltown history for you, Elizabeth. The Hollywood Blacklist

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Speaker 2: was created under Reagan's presidency of SAG. Yeah, in October

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Speaker 2: of that same year, forty seven. He had known commed

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Speaker 2: hater Walt Disney. They like tag team together, and they

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Speaker 2: Activities Committee, which were the first They were the first

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Speaker 2: Hollywood Blacklist and the Red Scare.

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Speaker 1: And destroy careers of geniuses.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, completely, and when it was Reagan's turn, he

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Speaker 2: sang like a bird. Reagan took their stand. He named names,

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: He was like he named friends, co workers on film sets,

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, Like that's the thing is that it was

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Speaker 1: just even if he had a whiff, it's not like

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Speaker 2: They don't have like a picture of their card you know,

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Speaker 2: it's like, oh, he's a card carrying communist. No, it's

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Speaker 2: just like he.

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Speaker 1: Smokes clothes, cigarettes and suspicious.

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Speaker 2: He likes too many German expressionist films. I think he's

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Speaker 2: a communist Anyway, big moment in the beginning of the

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Speaker 2: wave would be called Red Scare. Okay, Reagan plays his part.

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Speaker 2: This turn by the Reagan into becoming an anti commi

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Speaker 2: witch hunter. This caused tensions with his wife at the time,

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Speaker 2: actress Jane Wyman, and the two prepaired divorced. Now, this

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Speaker 2: was about when Ronald Reagan made his big switch from

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Speaker 2: being a Democrat who had backed Truman in forty eight

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Speaker 2: and once called Roosevelt a true hero. Right, he becomes

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Speaker 2: an Eisenhower Republican in fifty two. Yeah, just switch a road. Now,

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Speaker 2: there was another big change in his life around this

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Speaker 2: same time. Well, Reagan was president of SAG. This young

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Speaker 2: actress came calling upon him. Right, the year was nineteen

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Speaker 2: forty nine. The actress was named Nancy Davis. Can you

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Speaker 2: guess why Nancy Davis first came into Ronald's office that

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Speaker 1: Like you, Susponso.

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Speaker 2: He's making Vegas into what we know. It's not even like,

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Speaker 2: So they turned to Hollywood astrologer Carol Wrider. Oh boy, Now,

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Speaker 1: Hey, how are you all right?

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Speaker 2: So we're talking mommy and Daddy, Yes, Ronnie and Nancy.

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Speaker 1: Yes. Father.

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Speaker 2: It's like a really different Nancy's story. Okay. Over the years,

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Speaker 1: Them, imagining her like all smeared like coal eyeliners, blood hair,

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Speaker 2: what's his name? Carol Writer? Right, he'd been guiding them

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Speaker 2: Carol Writer. And by the way, this guy is a

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Speaker 1: And in that situation, and I think it carries out

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Speaker 2: Nancy Reagan back when she was Nancy Davis was a

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Speaker 1: I'm like shuddering. But I'm also kind of like proud

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Speaker 2: like I want him like lick smacking each other.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're just like they She takes some beef jerky

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Speaker 1: It can't happen?

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Speaker 2: We all rad it, Carol writer, what's up with that guy?

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Speaker 2: Why did the Reagans love him so much? Great question?

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Speaker 1: I learn more about him.

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Speaker 2: Now, as I said, dude was a newspaper astrologer, but

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Speaker 2: who we should do a story about it. Anyway. She

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Speaker 1: Well, you know what's weird again, We've done this for

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Speaker 2: On Thursday, so we don't tell each other our stars.

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Speaker 1: Its like keeps happening of like compendium. I'm sorry, this

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Speaker 2: have great powers, right, and he he's like, oh you

433
00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:39,760
Speaker 2: think so he doesn't listen to her. He's like, that's cool,

434
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,200
Speaker 2: that's neat. But he was like, you know, like I

435
00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,160
Speaker 2: would have run away and joined the circus, right. He

436
00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:45,399
Speaker 2: was like, no, I'm going to go become a.

437
00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,879
Speaker 1: Lawyer, so I want powers. I want psychic powers.

438
00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:49,160
Speaker 2: Totally.

439
00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:50,680
Speaker 1: That'd be down right, totally want that.

440
00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:52,400
Speaker 2: He went the other way. We kind of denied him.

441
00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,399
Speaker 2: He went to U Penn. He gets a law degree,

442
00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:56,120
Speaker 2: he gets a job as a lawyer in a big

443
00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,480
Speaker 2: Philadelphia firm, and then he finds he hated it. He's like,

444
00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,320
Speaker 2: this is hello, Oh not for Carol Ryder. So he

445
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,400
Speaker 2: did what you would counsel a little to do, Elizabeth.

446
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:05,639
Speaker 1: He quit nice.

447
00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:07,920
Speaker 2: Yes, he threw up his deuces and walked down.

448
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:09,359
Speaker 1: I love quitting jobs.

449
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 2: He would have made you feel real proud with this,

450
00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,399
Speaker 2: because next he started feeding the poor. That was his

451
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,480
Speaker 2: mission was. It was the Great Depression at this point

452
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,520
Speaker 2: in early nineteen thirties, and there was plenty of hungry

453
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,320
Speaker 2: mouths to feet and he's like, I used to be

454
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:21,879
Speaker 2: a lawyer. I got a little coin in my pocket.

455
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,840
Speaker 2: And so he goes around feeding the homeless and the forgotten.

456
00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,440
Speaker 2: So around this time, this is when Carol decides he's

457
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,879
Speaker 2: going to get into astrology full stop. Right, he starts

458
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,400
Speaker 2: reading people's horoscopes. He embraces his powers, but soon, since

459
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,560
Speaker 2: it is the Great Depression, he mostly starts to get in,

460
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:40,240
Speaker 2: focusing on helping forgotten men get jobs. Oh wow, right,

461
00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,040
Speaker 2: he's not even like over there like enriching his pocket.

462
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 2: He's like, I can get you a job. Go down

463
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,520
Speaker 2: to and he puts his fingers to his head and

464
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,639
Speaker 2: he's like the stockyards and talk to a man named

465
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 2: Larry or whatever.

466
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 1: Right, there's a man there with a mustache.

467
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, so big walrus mustache. Tell him you're from Brooklyn,

468
00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 2: so out of nowhere. He receives this crazy news from

469
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:00,880
Speaker 2: his doctor. Right, he has a pain in his back

470
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,159
Speaker 2: that won't go away, so he visits a doctor. The

471
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 2: doctor tells him he has six months to live, and

472
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,160
Speaker 2: he's like, I did not see this coming. What kind

473
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 2: of powers are these? Anyway, Carol writer freaks out, but

474
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 2: rather than give in to despair. What does he do?

475
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 2: He decides, uh, I know what to do. I'm gonna

476
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:15,639
Speaker 2: read my own horoscope. So he goes to see he

477
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,399
Speaker 2: is a doctor, right, and the stars inform him that

478
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 2: he just needs to relocate, and he's like, I knew it.

479
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:21,760
Speaker 2: So he goes west.

480
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 1: What was it like a parasitic twin.

481
00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 2: That's your guests, the parasitic.

482
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 1: Anytime anyone's like my back hurts, I'm like you probably twin.

483
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 2: That sounds like parasitic twin.

484
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,880
Speaker 1: Got a calcified parasitic twin in there.

485
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 2: You got like your little baby brother inside you. He's

486
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,719
Speaker 2: all he's all bone now. Anyway, he goes out there

487
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 2: and he finds quote physical protection in the Southwest, just

488
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 2: like the stars in his horoscope had told him.

489
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 1: Did he go to Sedona?

490
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,879
Speaker 2: No, he went to La. Oh yeah, he ignored his doctor,

491
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:52,879
Speaker 2: listened to the stars, moves out to La.

492
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 1: You know what, that's what you gotta do. Sometimes.

493
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 2: He arrives just in time for the Golden age of Hollywood.

494
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:58,920
Speaker 2: It's such a good time in the great era of

495
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 2: studios and Darlot's and like, I don't know, party scenes.

496
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,679
Speaker 2: It was great for Carol writer. Somebody who's fabulous and

497
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 2: looking to be fabulous for money, right, So the studio

498
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 2: bosses and the Hollywood power brokers and a lot of

499
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,640
Speaker 2: the actors, the actresses, they're big believers in the occult.

500
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 2: They love this stuff. So they love you know, they

501
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 2: love stars out there, Elizabeth.

502
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:17,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

503
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:19,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the Carol writer, he finds a happy home

504
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,439
Speaker 2: in Hollywood. He works his way into the Hollywood crowd.

505
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,680
Speaker 2: His big debut as an astrologer to the stars took

506
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 2: place at Charlie Chaplin's house. He goes to a Charlie

507
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 2: Chaplin party and just starts reading people's cards and stuff,

508
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,639
Speaker 2: and they're like, this guy's amazing, and everyone's like super

509
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,639
Speaker 2: into it. Anyway, from then on, he's got all the

510
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 2: Hollywood glitterati around him. They all eager for him to

511
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 2: come to their parties or for them to go to his.

512
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 2: So he has I'm talking stars like Clark Gable, Tyrone Power,

513
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 2: Marlene Dietrich, Betty Grabil, Hetty.

514
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 1: Lamar personal amazing.

515
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I total a friend of the show, Hetty Lamar,

516
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,360
Speaker 2: great girl, Greg Gal, I love her. Anyway, Apparently this guy,

517
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:58,360
Speaker 2: he threw incredible parties. As I said, Soares really so imagine, like, well,

518
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,159
Speaker 2: you don't have to imagine. I found one account of

519
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 2: one of his parties, the Reagan biographer Kitty Kelly. She

520
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 2: recorded the details of a Carol Ryder party at his

521
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 2: Hollywood Hills home, and I quote fish were swimming around

522
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 2: in his pool. For the Pisces party, he rented a

523
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 2: live lion for my Leo party, and he lined up

524
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 2: sets of twins for the Gemini party. He served astrologically

525
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 2: appropriate food such as meat and potatoes for moon children,

526
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 2: lemon pie for the tart tastes of aries people, and

527
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,360
Speaker 2: hot red peppers for passionate scorpios.

528
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:35,400
Speaker 1: Oh, I want his life. I want psychic powers, which

529
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 1: would be amazing. Seriously, I would love.

530
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 2: That wanding around in a I want to wear a momoo.

531
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:45,439
Speaker 1: And throw lavish parties. Guy, I love lavish parties them.

532
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 1: I like throwing and to go back in time and

533
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 1: live in that time in Los Angeles.

534
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, totally. It's a good time, very simple in

535
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 2: some areas.

536
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 1: I'd just like to imagine what it looks like pre development,

537
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 1: very burgeoning development of things. Well, you know, there's slice

538
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,959
Speaker 1: and Ladies open black dalliole Oh.

539
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 2: Nancy Reagan, she was a Carol Writer superfan. Right, so

540
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:13,400
Speaker 2: she attended his weekly Tuesday night astrology class. Yes, their

541
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 2: relationship blossomed into a full on like Fengali deal.

542
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 3: Right.

543
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 2: Okay, he was the Reagans like therapist, their marriage counselor

544
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 2: their love coach, their life coach, their everything. Right, So,

545
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 2: following his advice, he coached them right into the California

546
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 2: Governor's mansion in nineteen sixty seven. He's amazing and this

547
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 2: was noted by others. This wasn't like a big secret

548
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 2: because Time magazine took note, because two years later they

549
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 2: put him on the cover of Time magazine and announced

550
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,439
Speaker 2: it with the headline Astrology and the New Cult of

551
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 2: the Occult.

552
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 1: Wow.

553
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, like they were about about it. So the article

554
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 2: mentioned how writer, no longer young, had still attended to

555
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,439
Speaker 2: as many personal clients as Time article noted, quote, the

556
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 2: phone rings constantly and writer spends much of his time

557
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 2: in a soft voiced swivet of ooh, moonchild, I'm happy

558
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 2: to tell you that this is a very good day

559
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 2: for you. So that's what he was doing towards, you know,

560
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,640
Speaker 2: his golden years. Right after this same man was able

561
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 2: to guide the Reagans to power. Once the couple were

562
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 2: in the governor's mansion, you can imagine how the Republican

563
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,959
Speaker 2: staff reacted to this life. They got there right, but

564
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 2: they had to swallow whatever they thought, because, as the

565
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 2: campaign consultant Stu Spencer.

566
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: Noted, yes, I know that.

567
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that. The Nancy warned folks like him

568
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 2: that quote. She was going to be the bad guy.

569
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. She came in Darth Vader style, like he's

570
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 2: the Emperor. I'm Darth Vader. Fear me.

571
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 1: There is a listener of ours. I think what's her name,

572
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: fran I think I remember because she said she was

573
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 1: a second generation California and I'm going to want up

574
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 1: for being a fifth anyway. So she recommended a book

575
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 1: called The Last Days of the Late Great State of California.

576
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yes, and it has become one of my

577
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:48,360
Speaker 1: favorite books ever.

578
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 2: Yes I am, then I have to check that out.

579
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 1: Eternal debt to her. But one of the so like,

580
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: the first chapter of the book is fiction. It's about

581
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: like an earthquake in California, the ocean. Last chapter fiction.

582
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: The middle part of it is all just like true

583
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 1: account of California through these years. It's like it came

584
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: out like sixty seven. The book interesting, and so they

585
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 1: talk about all the consultants, the political consultants who get

586
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: Reagan to where he he is, and so you know,

587
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: how do you get him in the governorship and the

588
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 1: manipulations of that. Yes, it's insane. It was he just

589
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: created a candidate exactly.

590
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 2: He was like very much like if you want to

591
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 2: say Kennedy was the first TV candidate, Reagan was the first,

592
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 2: like you know, like focus group. So anyway, this is

593
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 2: how his Republican staff learned to look past the gay

594
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 2: astrologer who was informing Nancy and Ronald's decision making and

595
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 2: guiding them to power.

596
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: I'm trying to imagine like all these stiff suits, yes, exactly,

597
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: just like sixty six, right, we got.

598
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 2: Power you sixty seven, sixty six, sixty seven detectics. Sixty

599
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,239
Speaker 2: six was the election year, sixty seventy takes power. So

600
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 2: this sort of management, though, wasn't a huge problem for

601
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 2: when Reagan was governor of California, but it would become

602
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 2: a problem for them once he considered running for president.

603
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can get away with a lot out here.

604
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a land of Jerry Brown shaking earth.

605
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: I think it is just amazing. Love him. One of

606
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: the greatest governors we ever had.

607
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 2: Called Governor Moonbeam himself.

608
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: Well that's do you know why they call him governor Moonbeam. No,

609
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: why you'd think it was because it was all crystals

610
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: and what I.

611
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 2: Assume that he meditates at night under the moon to beams.

612
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: It's my understanding that he got called governor Moonbeam because

613
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: he wanted to have satellite connections to basically have like

614
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: early Zoom, like has oh wow, phone calls for meetings

615
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: so that you're not traveling all over the state and

616
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: use technology to your benefit. And they were talking about satellite.

617
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: So he wants to be moon That's what I've been told.

618
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 2: Interesting, well, when Reagan was governor of California, it wasn't

619
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 2: a problem to maintain all this like back channel with

620
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 2: the occult. Right. But now once he's going to become president,

621
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 2: this is going to be an issue. Right, But first

622
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 2: decide to even run for president, they have to go

623
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 2: and consult with the occult. Right, So of the Reagan's

624
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 2: they turned to their life coach and personal astrologer. And

625
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 2: you know, rather than me just talk about it, I'd

626
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 2: like to take you there Elizabeth, the fateful decision of

627
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 2: whether or not Ronald Reagan should run for president. Wait, Elizabeth,

628
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 2: I'd like you to close your.

629
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: Eyes as close and picture it.

630
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 2: It's early in the year in the bis Entennaial of

631
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 2: America nineteen seventy six, and everyone seems to be in

632
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 2: a patriotic mood, well most everyone. At the moment. You

633
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 2: are at a sprawling estate in the Hollywood Hills. The

634
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 2: house is a pillared, beauty, classical, well appointed. It's the

635
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 2: kind of house that has a nickname. The owner calls

636
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 2: it Harmony House. Once a month he hosts fabulous zodiac

637
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 2: themed parties for the Hollywood elite to come and act

638
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 2: out their eyes wide shut fantasies. Elizabeth, you are the

639
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 2: dog groomer for the astrologer to the Stars, Carrol Ryder. Yeah,

640
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 2: and you're currently using scissors and combs to shape the

641
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 2: fur puffs of a pair of French poodles. The one

642
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 2: you're currently trimming is thankfully willing to stand poised and

643
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 2: proud as you snip away across the great room, seated

644
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 2: on a seventeenth century chair, working on an an ornate

645
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 2: desk covered in framed photos of classic stars like Joan

646
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 2: Fontaine and Grace Kelly, Princess of Monaco. Is Carol Writer

647
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 2: wearing a silk smoking jacket. He's working at an old

648
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 2: royal typewriter, working on his astrology column. The quietude is

649
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 2: interrupted by a loud, gonging sound. That's the doorbell to

650
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 2: Harmony House. You hear a butler greet the visitor, and

651
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 2: then from their approaching footsteps you can hear what sounds

652
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 2: like a woman drawing near her high heels are staccato

653
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 2: against the marble tile floor. The butler and a woman

654
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 2: wearing a kerchief and sunglasses, clearly meant to avoid being seen,

655
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 2: enters the great room. The butler announces her, Nancy Davis,

656
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 2: to see you, mister Ryder. You look up from the

657
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 2: French poodle and you nearly spit out your big red

658
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 2: cinnamon gum because you see, despite her kerchief and sunglasses,

659
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 2: that's the first lady at California and you do not

660
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 2: like her. Her husband put a number of your friends

661
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 2: in San Francisco behind bars for minor possession charges. What

662
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 2: is she doing here? You give a look to Carol

663
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 2: Rider to see if you should leave, but with a

664
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 2: graceful hand he suggests you stay and finish grooming his

665
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 2: French poodles. The woman Nancy Davis aka Nancy Reagan greets

666
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 2: the astrologer Carol Rider. They air kiss and exchange pleasantries.

667
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 2: You look away and keep your scissors busy cleaning up

668
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 2: puffs of poodle. Nancy Reagan and Carol Rder huddle at

669
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 2: his desk. You're trying not to listen to their hush tones,

670
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 2: but then Nancy gets a little heated and says, rather loudly,

671
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 2: should Ronnie run for president? You're hoping the stars are

672
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 2: not aligned, but you can't help it. As you listen

673
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 2: to Carol Writer read Nancy and Ronnie's star charts. After

674
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: a moment of study of the stars, Carol Writer tells

675
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 2: Nancy the timing isn't right. Nancy does not want to

676
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 2: hear this. She barks back, why must we wait? Why

677
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 2: can't we go now?

678
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: Why?

679
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 2: Why? Why? This is a direct quote, You think to yourself,

680
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 2: She's like an angry little girl. Carol Writer smooths down

681
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 2: the lapel of his silk smoking jacket, thinks a moment

682
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 2: you wait to hear his reply. Carol Writer tells Nancy

683
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 2: the stars impel. They don't compel. What you make of

684
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 2: your life depends on you. This is not unique advice.

685
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 2: This is actually the disclaimer he adds to his astrology

686
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 2: column in the La Times. You have to fight back

687
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 2: a laugh, but you no longer want to laugh. As

688
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 2: for the next hour, you have to listen as you

689
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 2: groom the two French poodles. Nancy Reagan beg plead, badger,

690
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 2: browbeat and guilty astrologer to telling her what she wants

691
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 2: to hear. You admire how he stays firm and grace

692
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 2: will and unflappable. Finally, he tells Nancy Reagan that she

693
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 2: needs to go, to leave and to think deeply about

694
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 2: what the stars are telling her. She agrees to go,

695
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 2: but she'll contact him soon. Her high heels walk back

696
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 2: to the front door, led by the butler. You hear

697
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 2: the click clack recede into the distance. The front door

698
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 2: opens closes. That's when Carol Ryder finally lets out the

699
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 2: deeply annoyed sigh he's been holding in, and he loudly

700
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 2: exclaims that woman, she wears me out. You can't help it.

701
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 2: You laugh, and he laughs, and the two of you

702
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 2: share a laugh at Nancy Reagan's thirstiness.

703
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: No, two things. Yes, one, I want to live in

704
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: that picture. It's amazing. I want that too.

705
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 2: Yes.

706
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: Why did she think she could browbeat him to change

707
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: the stars?

708
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 2: I do not get You go to somebody to tell

709
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 2: you what the stars say and you yell at the sky. Yeah,

710
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 2: you gotta just listen. That's what you're going to them for.

711
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 2: Otherwise you can just tell yourself whatever, Why do you

712
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 2: need them involved?

713
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:27,719
Speaker 1: And it is what it is.

714
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 2: It's got a fortune cookie and interpret it. Yeah, anyway,

715
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 2: Nancy Reagan, she decided not to listen to her astrologer's advice.

716
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 2: She found a different astrologer who'd tell her what she'd

717
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 2: want to hear, and then she told her husband that

718
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 2: he should indeed run for president in nineteen seventy six.

719
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 2: He was in the stars, He did, and he lost

720
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 2: the primary. Carol Ryder was correct, it.

721
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 3: Was not at times.

722
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 2: Well, that may have been not the right moment for

723
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 2: the Reagans. As we all know, they didn't have to

724
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 2: wait long because four years later, in nineteen eighty, Ronald

725
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 2: Reagan ran again for the White House, and that time

726
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 2: the Reagan spoiler alert. Carol Ryder became a frequent guest

727
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 2: at the Reagan White House, which did not play well. However,

728
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 2: by then he was a very old man and he

729
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 2: didn't care. And also he knew he would not outlive

730
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 2: the Reagan's presidency. If you can believe it, Carol Rider

731
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 2: correctly predicted the date of his own death. Really anyway,

732
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 2: Knowing he didn't have long, the astrologer knew he needed

733
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 2: to turn the reins over to another astrologer who could

734
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 2: divine the future for Nancy Reagan. Enter Joanne Quigley. She

735
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 2: was a San Francisco based astrologer. She was raised in

736
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 2: knob Hill. A child of wealth and privilege. She attended Vassar.

737
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 2: She went on to publish books on astrology. She was

738
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 2: also on the talk show circuit. You could find her

739
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 2: on MERV Griffin's show. It was MERV who brought her

740
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 2: to the Reagan's orbit. Yeah, okay, but what do you

741
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 2: think happened on March thirtieth, nineteen eighty one that pushed

742
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 2: Nancy Reagan to seek out an astrologer that she could

743
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 2: count on and depend on for life advice? Is that

744
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 2: when he shot her husband got shot.

745
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

746
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 2: Yes, less than three months into his presidency, someone tried

747
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 2: to assassinate Ronald Reagan in order to impress Jodie Foster. Yeah,

748
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 2: nut job. Rightly, he was convinced that if he killed Reagan,

749
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,280
Speaker 2: Jody Foster would want to go out with him or something.

750
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:07,240
Speaker 1: A lot of barriers.

751
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 2: I got some bad news for you about who Jody

752
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 2: Foster prefers. Anyway, he went through with it. He damn

753
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 2: near killed Reagan. I don't know if you know this,

754
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 2: but how close he came to dying. Yeah, apparently the

755
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 2: press secretary took a note at the time, doctors believe

756
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 2: bleeding to death. Right. He also recorded other diagnostics doctors

757
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: had told him in the in the er, they said,

758
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 2: can't find a wound. Think we're going to lose him,

759
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 2: rapid loss of blood pressure, touch and go. Yeah. So

760
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 2: the bullet that hit Reagan left a quote, tiny jagged

761
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 2: slit in Reagan's side, and the doctor didn't notice it.

762
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 2: None of the doctors noticed it until they'd stripped Reagan.

763
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,720
Speaker 2: After they cut off his clothes and he was naked

764
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 2: on the gurney, one of them spotted a tiny entry

765
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 2: wound and in that nice you get a picture of

766
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 2: naked Reagan on a gurney. Anyway, thank you, It wasn't

767
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 2: even a doctor who noticed the bullet wound. It was

768
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 2: an intern who had been in Vietnam War, and he

769
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 2: was like, that's a bullet wound, and he pointed it

770
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:56,879
Speaker 2: out and he's like, yeah, there's no exit wounds. Three

771
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 2: hours of surgery later, the surgeons discovered the bullet just

772
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 2: chilling a couple inches away from his heart. The bullet

773
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 2: was in Reagan's left lung. When the president finally came around,

774
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 2: he wrote on a pad, I'm alive, aren't I Right? Then,

775
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 2: when Nancy was finally at his bedside, he joked his

776
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 2: older honey, I forgot to duck. So he joked with

777
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 2: his attending doctors, I hope you all were all Republicans.

778
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:25,399
Speaker 2: Weeks Reagan was back at work in the White House. Yes, yeah, Yet, though,

779
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 2: there was a new error about him, because, as Nancy

780
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 2: Reagan biographer Karen Tumulty wrote that Reagan quote saw a

781
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 2: divine hand in the fact that he had been spared,

782
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 2: which made him more convinced than ever that there was

783
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 2: a purpose at work in his presidency. So now he's

784
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 2: all messianic. He's God's chosen president. Meanwhile, Nancy got deeper

785
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 2: into the occult. So, as her biographer Tumulty wrote, quote,

786
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 2: her astrology was a crutch. Nancy didn't have religion to

787
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 2: fall back on, and Ronald Reagan had a very deep

788
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 2: religious faith. He truly believed God had a plan for him.

789
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 2: But despite his Christian faith, Ronnie was cool with his

790
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 2: wife's love of Ay. As Nancy wrote in her memoir,

791
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 2: Reagan told her, quote, if it makes you feel better,

792
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 2: go ahead and do it. He also cautioned her, but

793
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 2: it might look a little odd if it ever came out. Now,

794
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 2: as the leader of the Free world, he couldn't have

795
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 2: allies and enemies, or the American people believing that an

796
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:19,479
Speaker 2: astrologer was shaping White House policies. Now that was the case.

797
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 2: Elizabeth will take a break, and after this I will

798
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 2: tell you how that eventually came out. All right, Elizabeth,

799
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 2: we're back here. I am there you are. He told

800
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 2: me you'd be here. It okay, Leader of the Free World,

801
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 2: his wife's into the occult. You got to keep this

802
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 2: a secret, right, Nancy's leaning on astrologers to keep her

803
00:37:55,560 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 2: husband safe from future assassinations. Now, astrology in the White House, right, this,

804
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 2: as I said, mainly started after the assassination. The thing was,

805
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 2: Nancy had been warned about the assassination.

806
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: Really by whom after the fact, her old warned.

807
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 2: After the fact, her old friend, MERV Griffin contacted her.

808
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: He's like spoiler alerts, and.

809
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 2: He told her an astrologer had told him that in

810
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 2: the president's chart quote they saw something bad would happen

811
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 2: that day. So apparently they got told. BRV got told beforehand,

812
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 2: Nancy got told anything.

813
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: He was just like sitting in the kaftan in Palm

814
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: Springs and like, I slipped my mind to tell her.

815
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 2: I meant to tell you, but you were busy. So

816
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 2: when she hears Nancy said, with an actor's theatricality, oh

817
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 2: my god, I could have stopped it. So now she's

818
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 2: on a mission, right, So MERV Griffin connects her with

819
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 2: this psychic astrologer's friend of hers, Joan Quiggly, and uh,

820
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 2: this means at this point now the president will be

821
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 2: guided by a San Francisco astrologer who has Nancy's ear right.

822
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 2: Her influence lasted seven years, the whole first term and

823
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 2: all but the last few months of Reagan's second term.

824
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 2: In nineteen eighty eight, the open Secret came out to

825
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 2: the public. You see, Nancy Reagan made an enemy and

826
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 2: he knew the astrology secret. When she came for him,

827
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 2: he struck back at her. Oh and that awesome. So,

828
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 2: in her own words, Nancy Reagan knew that relying on

829
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 2: an astrologer to keep her husband safe and to make

830
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 2: decisions for the America's future and the future you know,

831
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 2: all of the people was not a good idea. She

832
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 2: knew that, right, but she didn't care. Nancy Reagan was like, no,

833
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 2: that is what's good for Nancy Reagan will hopefully be

834
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 2: good for most of the people. Now. She was hooked right.

835
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 2: As she wrote in her autobiography, she said that her

836
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 2: relationship with the astrologer Joanne Quigley quote began as a crutch.

837
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,399
Speaker 2: Within a year or two it had become a habit. Oh,

838
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 2: she's like a star chart junkie. This my right, so

839
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 2: her biography or Kitty Kelly, she wrote that quote. Nancy

840
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 2: Reagan relied on Joanne Quigley. She would call her sometimes

841
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 2: eight times a day for almost everything, down to unbelievable details,

842
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 2: including the takeoff and landing times for Air Force One.

843
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 2: That was astrology that charted their way. Nobody knew that

844
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:57,479
Speaker 2: at the time.

845
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: Wait like that, Oh wow, yes, and you know home

846
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: girl's sitting there in San Francisco and every time she

847
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: takes a call, she's like making a note in the

848
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: ledger how many hours this is.

849
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 2: Also, it was a costly relationship because when you're keeping

850
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 2: that secret, you know, you can charge a gazill right

851
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 2: so quickly.

852
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 1: She was another thing, I want to do a psyche

853
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: powers and then charge up the huha for it.

854
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 2: She was paid by the hour and had a retainer.

855
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 2: She was like a lawyer. She was kept on retainer

856
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,439
Speaker 2: to the tune of three grand a month. That would

857
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 2: be ninety five hundred and twenty twenty four dollars. Nancy

858
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 2: Reagan was sent monthly bills to pay the monthly retainer,

859
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 2: and aedy racked up charges for the month. The bill

860
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 2: obviously was not sent to the White House, but it

861
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 2: was sent to a private zip code that was then

862
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 2: routed to the presidential residence in the White House. But

863
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 2: so it's kind of circumvented. Most of they unwonted oversight. Yeah,

864
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 2: then she had an old friend in California reportedly pay

865
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 2: the astrologers monthly bills on behalf of the President and

866
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 2: the first Lady. That created a layer of removal, and

867
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,280
Speaker 2: that way there's no direct evidence. There was no checks

868
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 2: from Nancy Reagon to of San Francisco Astrology. So at

869
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 2: this point, to make sure her husband stayed safe from assassins,

870
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,720
Speaker 2: Nancy Reagan would give her private astrologer the president's upcoming schedule.

871
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 2: You know that, Like the Secret Service would have just

872
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 2: lost it, oh completely if they knew. They did not

873
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 2: know that Nancy kept it super hush. So over time,

874
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 2: Nancy came to trust her astrologer's psychic quickly, so much

875
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,439
Speaker 2: that she asked her advice on how Reagan should handle

876
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 2: the Soviet Union and nuclear proliferation and the ongoing Cold War.

877
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 2: Of course, her psychic was like, I got you boo,

878
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 2: hand me my star charts. In order for astrologer's prognostications

879
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 2: that have sway over the White House, Nancy had to

880
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 2: find a willing accomplice, right, an insider she could trust

881
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 2: and manipulate and terrify. Right, So she found the perfect accomplice,

882
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 2: this dude named Michael Deaver. He was one of Reagan's

883
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 2: closest advisers, right. He was keen to help her get

884
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 2: away with this. So their influence campaign started first with

885
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 2: managing the president's scheduling. Nancy Reagan's biographer Tomlty documented the

886
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 2: secret partnership. She wrote that quote Deaver would dither and

887
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 2: then insist, for example, that the president and his plane

888
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 2: takeoff for a foreign trip at precisely to eleven am.

889
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 2: He concocted stories to tell the traveling press a pre

890
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 2: dawn takeoff. It was deemed to have been dictated by

891
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 2: medical advice on how to avoid jet lag. So he

892
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 2: was just lying. So meanwhile, Reagan's chief of staff, James Baker,

893
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 2: he was not down with astrology or really any of

894
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 2: the occult so he just pretended none of this was happening,

895
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 2: just exactly like, I don't know what that's that's not

896
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 2: happening over there. Let me look at my watch. Oh

897
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 2: I love my watch. Now he had to wait on

898
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 2: Quigley to tell Nancy when the president could address the nation,

899
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 2: hold a press conference, all sorts of stuff, imagining the

900
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 2: chief of staff at the White House, and you got away.

901
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: All weird times, like the press conference starts at three

902
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: forty seven, the.

903
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,439
Speaker 2: Plane leaves it to eleven am exactly, So James Baker

904
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: recalled at the time, quote, when we wanted to schedule

905
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 2: a big thing like a press conference, he'd say, let

906
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 2: me take a look at it. Then we figured he

907
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 2: and Nancy would talk about the date. Now it's clear

908
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 2: that they were clearing it all with her with the astrologist.

909
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 2: So he found out way later. That's how much he

910
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 2: was like head in the sand about this. After the

911
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 2: first term, Deaver decides he'd had enough of life in

912
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,280
Speaker 2: the White House. He's like, this sucks. So eight nineteen

913
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 2: eighty four, after Reagan's re elected, Deaver begins to prep

914
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 2: his replacement get him to be cool with the whole

915
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 2: astrologer's shadow influence on the White House. Deaver insisted his

916
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 2: replacement be cool with this, so he invites him out

917
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 2: for a drink to kind of like tell him how

918
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,479
Speaker 2: it goes. He breaks it to him right. The dude

919
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 2: was quote flabbergasting, and he told him and I quote,

920
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,919
Speaker 2: holy Mike, I thought you were a madman. I can't

921
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 2: believe you had to do this. Now now it was

922
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 2: his responsibility, and he took it on. This dude's name

923
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 2: was Bill Hankel, and now he fell under Nancy's powers

924
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 2: of persuasion just the same as Deaver had. Soon enough,

925
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 2: he's keeping her secrets too, no questions about it. All

926
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 2: it took was the strategic confession of her fears. You see,

927
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 2: Nancy confided to him how Reagan's near assassination terrified her

928
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 2: and she would do anything to keep the president safe.

929
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 2: Nancy told him, and I quote Bill, I want you

930
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 2: to understand and feel what it was like. I saw

931
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 2: six doctors with panic in their eyes. My naked husband.

932
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 2: I knew he was dying. So there you go. Nancy

933
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 2: Reagan wants you to feel fear. That's gotta be a

934
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 2: weird moment. And then she uses naked Ronald Reagan to

935
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 2: make you understand fear. That would do it for me.

936
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 2: Do it for me anyway, so that.

937
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: I'm made of stronger stuff?

938
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 2: Do you have? I worked in two naked Reagan into

939
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 2: the same thing anyway entered Donald Reagan.

940
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: It's like from the waist up.

941
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 2: Okay, there you go, cartoon mine.

942
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: And it's very like a Kendall smooth.

943
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 2: From it's okay, oh, I gave like a waxy and place.

944
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's just a wax figure.

945
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 2: So former Treasury Secretary Donald Reagan, he becomes Reagan's new

946
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,760
Speaker 2: chief of staff after James Baker's like deuces, and oh boy,

947
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 2: did he hate Nancy Reagan. I just saw Red hated her, right,

948
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 2: and Nancy hated him. So one time, after she'd called

949
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 2: his office for like the three hundred and seventy seventh time,

950
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 2: he barred no one in particular, I'm not the chief

951
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 2: of staff of the first lady. Oh yeah, that kind

952
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:09,240
Speaker 2: of sexist. So Nancy, he liked to say of Donald Reagan, quote,

953
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 2: don thought he was the president. Yeah. So the lines

954
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:14,720
Speaker 2: in the sand were drawn, and it didn't take Nancy

955
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 2: long to figure out what she needed to do, which

956
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 2: is run a White House coup and get rid of

957
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 2: Donald Reagan. So how does she do this? To get

958
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 2: rid of Donald Reagan? She needed something that wouldn't point

959
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 2: back at her. So she's like, I'm Nancy, I can

960
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 2: figure this. Moment she waits, she finds the perfect excuse

961
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 2: in the form of the Iran Contra affair. Oh my god,

962
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 2: she uses that as a spatchelor let to flip him

963
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 2: out of the White House. Yes, when that sordid scandal

964
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 2: broke and rocked to the Reagan White House, Nancy slightly

965
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 2: used all the negative attention to oust Donald Reagan like

966
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 2: it's him. Oh yeah, that's easy, orchestrates his removal. Boom,

967
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 2: he's out. But a man like Donald Reagan, he's not

968
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 2: gonna go quiet. He's gonna remember he waited. Meanwhile, he

969
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 2: wrote a book, and in that book he documented everything

970
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 2: he knew and everything he could allege. And it comes

971
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 2: out in nineteen eighty eight, just in time, well Reagan

972
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 2: still president election year. Donald Reagan made sure that Nancy's

973
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 2: big secret was revealed in a way that it looked

974
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 2: maximally manipulative and conniving. And so for Reagan wrote, and

975
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 2: I quote, virtually every major move and decision that Reagan's

976
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 2: made during my time as White Elf chief of staff

977
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 2: was cleared in advance with a woman in San Francisco

978
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 2: who drew up horoscopes to make certain that the planets

979
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 2: were in a favorable alignment. He also wrote that he

980
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 2: didn't personally know the astrologer's name or her identity. Now

981
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 2: the news of the book hits right, Nancy springs into action.

982
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 2: She contacts her astrologer, and Nancy tells her the any

983
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 2: like busy body reporters come sniffing around her place. The

984
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,919
Speaker 2: astrologer is to deny the story. Yeah, and I quote lie.

985
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 2: If you have to just lie, you can't say anything.

986
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 2: So that's her approach. Didn't take long for the reporters

987
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 2: to get to San Francisco. They find the astrologer. Remember,

988
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,399
Speaker 2: it's an open secret. So the astrologer psychic was only

989
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 2: too happy to come forward and to tell her side

990
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 2: of the story. She completely ignored.

991
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: Nancy told her to.

992
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly is her chance. So she told a reporter

993
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,760
Speaker 2: from the Associated Press that she was quote a serious

994
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 2: scientific astrologer. To clarify what that meant, she added, and

995
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 2: I quote, I am really not one of those clowns.

996
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 2: And I really don't like the circus atmosphere. So she's serious,

997
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 2: She's dead serious. Yeah. Anyway, soon enough she had a

998
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,720
Speaker 2: book deal, so she cashed in on all that the

999
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 2: circus atmosphere she didn't like. She made it work for

1000
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,240
Speaker 2: her in the name of the name of a book. Quote,

1001
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 2: what does Jones say my seven years as a White

1002
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 2: House astrologer to Nancy and Ronald Reagan?

1003
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:35,879
Speaker 1: I kind of want to read that, right.

1004
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 2: So once the story broke and their San Francisco astrologery

1005
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,320
Speaker 2: is unmasked, the White House had to spring into damage control.

1006
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 2: Right Press secretary of the time Marlin Fitzwater, he tried

1007
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 2: to contain any damage from the psychic scandal. May fourth,

1008
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty eight. He holds a White House press briefing

1009
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 2: downplays Donald Reagan's claims quote, it's true that Missus Reagan

1010
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 2: has an interest in astrology. She has for some time,

1011
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 2: particularly following the assassination attempt in March of nineteen eighty one.

1012
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,280
Speaker 2: He was very concerned for her husband's welfare, and astrology

1013
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 2: has been part of her concern in terms of his activities.

1014
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 2: The New York Times also reported that, quote, mister Fitzwater

1015
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 2: acknowledged that the President has a superstitious streak. He often

1016
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 2: talks and speeches about quote lucky numbers and jokes that

1017
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 2: the ghost of Abraham Lincoln resides in the White House. Well, yeah,

1018
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 2: so they just wanted to basically connect all the dots.

1019
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,280
Speaker 2: So Ron reag was eventually asked about this by reporters

1020
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 2: and they're like shouting at him because he won't answer

1021
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 2: the questions. Eventually he replies, quote no policy or decision

1022
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 2: in my mind has ever been influenced by astrology. Okay,

1023
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,760
Speaker 2: so that raised the question, other than scheduling, what influence

1024
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 2: did Quiggly have?

1025
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: Like?

1026
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 2: How much influence did this San Francisco psychic really scheduling?

1027
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 2: In her nineteen ninety memoir, quickly claimed that she advised

1028
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 2: the President not to play it so tough in negotiations

1029
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 2: with Mikhail Gorbachev and the Soviet Union. She told Nancy

1030
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 2: Reagan that, quote, Ronnie's evil empire attitude has got to go,

1031
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 2: so quickly claimed in nineteen eighty six, in the hours

1032
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 2: before a summit in Iceland between the Soviet Union and

1033
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 2: in the US that focused on nuclear disarmament, quickly read

1034
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 2: the star charts of Reagan and Gorbachev, and she told

1035
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 2: Nancy Reagan their horoscopes. In a twenty fourteen interview, Quiggily recalled,

1036
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 2: I affected the relationship between the superpowers by my reading

1037
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 2: of Gorbachev's horoscope. What does she mean by that? Elizabeth Well,

1038
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 2: in her own words, quickly told Nancy Reagan, quote, Gorbachev's

1039
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,800
Speaker 2: aquarian planet is in such harmony with Ronnie's. You'll see

1040
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 2: they'll share a vision now. Nancy Reagan reported that to

1041
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 2: the White House advisor, specifically, she told Bill Hankel the

1042
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 2: good news right She's like, oh, great news, no nuclear

1043
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 2: war whatever. Right, So Henkel, he wrote in his autobiography, quote,

1044
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 2: she came back saying, these two have by the stars

1045
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 2: some good vibes. So I guess the psychic astrology was right,

1046
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 2: because the world did get nuclear disarmament. And so there

1047
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 2: you go. I admit there was no explicit criminal prosecution

1048
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 2: of Nancy, but I said, you know that there was

1049
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 2: an alleged criminal scandal run by Nancy Reagan and the

1050
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 2: news that Ronald Reagan was secretly being guided by a

1051
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 2: San Francisco astrology I mean, you got to admit that's ridiculous.

1052
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's both ridiculous and slightly criminals.

1053
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 2: So what's your ridiculous?

1054
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: Oh boy, howdy, I need psychic powers because let's make

1055
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 1: it all about me for a second course, as I do,

1056
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: I need psych I think too that it's fascinating. I'm

1057
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: not like astrology person. I have you know, close friends

1058
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: who are and it's like a serious thing for them,

1059
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: and I respect that.

1060
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 2: I respect anything that the person to get through the deck.

1061
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: But you know, you're talking about how he would say

1062
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: lucky numbers, and there are so many things that we

1063
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 1: do that are you know, woo. And you know, even

1064
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: like the stock market is astrology for bros. You know,

1065
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: it's like.

1066
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 2: It's like one of those mood rocks for capitalists.

1067
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,240
Speaker 1: Totally, so I think, you know, we can't we can't

1068
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: look too unkindly on it. Plus, I know they got

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Speaker 1: you know, the psychics, but then you also had like

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Speaker 1: at that time, like Cheney and Rumsfeld, you know, scooting

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Speaker 1: around out of that.

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Speaker 2: Uh Ford White House going when do we get power?

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Speaker 2: To get power?

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Speaker 1: They were more influential than it. But it's like, Zaren,

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Speaker 1: what's your ridiculous take?

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Speaker 2: It's so refreshing, so naked Ronald Reagan, right. I love

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Speaker 2: that that Nancy gets that, you know, the thing that

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Speaker 2: she loves is also the way to make someone taste fear.

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Speaker 2: Turns me on. But this will make you taste fear.

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Speaker 2: So there you go. That's mine.

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Speaker 1: It's beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Oh hey, you in the mood for a talkback?

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Speaker 1: I love talkbacks. Let's hear one producing.

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Speaker 2: D Oh my god, I love get.

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Speaker 1: Hi guys. I'm just listening to the Agatha Christie episode

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Speaker 1: and I literally spit coffee out when I listened to

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Speaker 1: elizabeths impersonation of Sean Connery. Love your show. Thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for all the laughs.

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Speaker 2: Nic Yes, thank you guys always, you know, keep those coming.

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Speaker 2: We did those, and you couldn't always call us on

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Speaker 2: our hotline that we don't have yet, but you can

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Speaker 2: find us online at Ridiculous Crime on Twitter and Instagram,

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Speaker 2: I think, and we have the website ridiculous Crime dot com.

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Speaker 2: And also we, as I said, love your talkback, so

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Speaker 2: please give us more of those.

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Speaker 1: Call us on the talk back, call us on the.

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Speaker 2: Hot back talkback line emails if you want a Ridiculous

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Speaker 2: We'll catch you next crime Ye. Ridiculous Crime is hosted

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Speaker 2: by Elizabeth Dutton and Zaren Burnette, produced and edited by

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Speaker 2: did you know in the White House there's a lane

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