Speaker 1: Look out.
Speaker 2: It's only films to be buried with. Hello, and welcome
Speaker 2: to films to be buried with. My name is Brett Goldstein.
Speaker 2: I'm a comedian, an actor, a writer, a director, a gaffer,
Speaker 2: and I love films. As Abraham Lincoln once said, folks
Speaker 2: are usually about as happy as they make their minds
Speaker 2: up to be. Why are you gonna hate on Barbie?
Speaker 2: You're only hurting yourself? Wow, that is deep and true,
Speaker 2: Abraham Lincoln. Nice one. Every week I invite a special
Speaker 2: guest over, tell them they've died. Then I get them
Speaker 2: to discuss their life through the films that meant the
Speaker 2: most of them. Previous guests include Barry Jenkins, Himes, Patel,
Speaker 2: Sharon Stone, and even Pled Clambles. But this week it's
Speaker 2: the brilliant comedian, actor and taskmaster mister Paul Chowdry. Head
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Speaker 2: at patreon dot com Forward Slash Brett Goldstein. Paul Chowdrey,
Speaker 2: Oh my days, Paul Chowdree. So, Paul Chowdrey is a
Speaker 2: true star of the British comedy scene. He's so funny
Speaker 2: and brilliant. He sold out Wembley Arena all by himself.
Speaker 2: If you don't know him from his hugely successful stand
Speaker 2: up shows, you will know him from Taskmaster, amongst many
Speaker 2: other things. I think he's so funny. I was delighted
Speaker 2: to record this with him a few months ago on Zoom.
Speaker 2: He was as unique as always and I think you're
Speaker 2: gonna love it. So that is it for now. I
Speaker 2: very much hope you enjoy episode two hundred and sixty
Speaker 2: seven of Films to be Buried With. Hello, and welcome
Speaker 2: to Films to be Buried With. It is me Brett Goldstein,
Speaker 2: and I am joined today by an actor, a writer,
Speaker 2: a Taskmaster, a gym goer, a mister Universe, a legend,
Speaker 2: a arena act, a stadium act, and one of the
Speaker 2: greatest stand ups to have ever been born on this planet.
Speaker 2: He's here, He's real. I can't believe it. Can you
Speaker 2: look at his face? There he is is mister Paultry.
Speaker 1: Brett Goldstein. One honor. It's always anned to see you
Speaker 1: and speak to you.
Speaker 2: The honor is all my.
Speaker 1: I've known you since you were born.
Speaker 2: You have you were there, I was there, you delivered me.
Speaker 1: I was there the ambilical cord.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I remember my dad being really angry about.
Speaker 1: That doing it. He's not the doctor.
Speaker 2: He was like that. That was my moment. But in
Speaker 2: a way, I think it's one of the reasons you
Speaker 2: and I side close.
Speaker 1: Well, I'd say I was at the birth of your
Speaker 1: comedy career as well, before all this began.
Speaker 2: Very much.
Speaker 1: There was promise when you came up to me at
Speaker 1: that I think it was an open mic.
Speaker 2: I think UK when I started, me and No Mallins
Speaker 2: ran a like new act night called Funny How, and
Speaker 2: we'd have headliners and you, I think were one of
Speaker 2: our first headliners.
Speaker 1: And you came yeah those gigs that nobody would go to,
Speaker 1: And I was like, Brett, Yeah, don't worry, I'm going
Speaker 1: to come down. I don't know who you are, I
Speaker 1: don't know what you do.
Speaker 3: Well, I've got this gig. Can can you come down
Speaker 3: and do the gig?
Speaker 1: Plase? You had a different voice then, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. I'll hook it up and I
Speaker 1: came down. I think there was three four people in the.
Speaker 2: You said I'll bring an audience, They'll come to four
Speaker 2: people there. Yeah, it was a wreck. It was a
Speaker 2: smash for that.
Speaker 1: It was a great gig.
Speaker 2: Where was it at the Hope in Good Street?
Speaker 1: It wasn't Good Street. I don't know what year was.
Speaker 2: There, nineteen No, it was like it's like fifteen years ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it was your comedy career's birth at that time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you've been going for forty five years. I've
Speaker 2: never understood.
Speaker 1: Forty five years when I did your gig. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been going for forty five years at that point
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago, so as close to sixty years now.
Speaker 1: I've been doing this.
Speaker 2: As a stylishing work ethic. Now. The thing about you
Speaker 2: that some people know and some people don't it's you're
Speaker 2: quite extraordinary in many ways, and one of them is
Speaker 2: you're basically the biggest act in England that doesn't get
Speaker 2: with all love and I think it's the wrong thing.
Speaker 2: You're not on TV enough, but you have a huge
Speaker 2: fucking phone. You can sell out arenas, stadiums, you do
Speaker 2: it just by just sort of hanging around in the
Speaker 2: street and people like, I won't go see.
Speaker 1: It, just hang around the street.
Speaker 2: You've broken the system. You've broken the system. I wouldn't
Speaker 2: say I've broken it. Like Andrew tape Rock the system
Speaker 2: a slightly different.
Speaker 1: He kind of got people on a pyramid scheme and
Speaker 1: then got them to put videos off on TikTok.
Speaker 2: I didn't do it that way, no, but similar vibes,
Speaker 2: similar vibe very Andrew Tate vibes.
Speaker 1: I just geeked for years. I built up a live following,
Speaker 1: went from venue to venue and yeah, I got to
Speaker 1: a point of selling out Wembley and I've been in
Speaker 1: the top ten selling UK comedians for about ten years now.
Speaker 1: I love it. I think Brett, it's like yourself. You
Speaker 1: know you've done, You're doing major stuff now, but at
Speaker 1: that point when you started, you've got to make a
Speaker 1: good impact on the opportunity to're given on TV. And
Speaker 1: when you make and the audience buy into that and
Speaker 1: you do pick up a following. Now, there's so many
Speaker 1: outlets you can pick up a following in various media genres.
Speaker 1: Really can't you?
Speaker 2: How often do you do a new show every year? Well?
Speaker 1: I've been touring this one for about a year and
Speaker 1: a half, but I've been rewriting the show so it
Speaker 1: actually becomes a new show by the end of it.
Speaker 1: I can never stay scripted to the same show, so
Speaker 1: I've taken it up, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I do. I've been thinking about that myself. It's sort
Speaker 2: of boring doing the same thing for a year, and
Speaker 2: I wonder how much you can change. But so you're
Speaker 2: by the end of the tour, you've got a new
Speaker 2: tour and you go back to the beginning pretty much.
Speaker 1: And then now I'm going to Edinburgh, I'm doing like
Speaker 1: a literally a rewritten version of the show because everything changes,
Speaker 1: you know, when you tak and especially if you're doing
Speaker 1: topical and people want to hear about current affairs. We've
Speaker 1: had like three Prime Ministers since I start the tour, yeah,
Speaker 1: since last week, yes, and a couple of presidents. So
Speaker 1: we've had about seven wars. Yeah, you know, it's a lot.
Speaker 1: It's a lot to keep up with. That's why that's
Speaker 1: why I don't do topical stuff but just talk about sex.
Speaker 2: I'm like that stays.
Speaker 1: When I started the tour, I think Margaret Thatcher was
Speaker 1: in power at the time.
Speaker 2: Are you I'm going to ask you the question that
Speaker 2: Stuart Goesmith will ask you at the end of the podcast.
Speaker 2: I ask you at the beginning, are you happy?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Good man? I think you're well. I'm gonna say I
Speaker 2: think you're one of the funniest, but I often am like,
Speaker 2: I think you're underestimated as one of the funniest because
Speaker 2: I think some people don't know that you know how
Speaker 2: fucking funny you are. But I think you not exactly
Speaker 2: how funny you are.
Speaker 1: Discussed, Like before I go on, I always think they
Speaker 1: ain't gonna like me. I've got that Larry David thing,
Speaker 1: but this ain't my crowd, This isn't Obviously, Then when
Speaker 1: you get to a point of selling out your own
Speaker 1: shows and they kind of come for you and your voice.
Speaker 1: But when you like last yesterday, I was in Leo
Speaker 1: Palooza in Cornwall in a tent in the festival gig
Speaker 1: and those muddy fields, well I just thought this it
Speaker 1: was children, babies, This ain't my crowd. And then and
Speaker 1: kind of get an encore, but you don't expect it.
Speaker 1: You don't expect it. Then, when I've done corporates and
Speaker 1: insurance companies and you think they're gonna hate me and
Speaker 1: that gig. I've got two standing ovations, but it's normally
Speaker 1: the gigs. Now, I think that sounds like I'm boasting.
Speaker 1: You See, I'm not the kind of comic that says
Speaker 1: I've never said I'm funny, because I just think every
Speaker 1: gig is that people say is your last gig is
Speaker 1: kind of who you are. But then now we live
Speaker 1: in a world where there's so much dispose with all
Speaker 1: our materials kind of out there. You've got specials videos,
Speaker 1: you can just go to YouTube and people decide themselves,
Speaker 1: so you can have a bad gig last night. But
Speaker 1: still to people in the.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what that's went on somewhere. You look at
Speaker 2: this one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember one time I did a gig in
Speaker 1: Man was a Scotland did a corporate show and you
Speaker 1: do a lot of corporates.
Speaker 2: Yeah, never, no, never did one months and it was
Speaker 2: exactly I've never done it again.
Speaker 1: Tough tough gigs.
Speaker 2: Yeah I'm horrendous, but that one.
Speaker 1: Was a lot of corporates.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that one was felt like a lot in the
Speaker 2: ten minutes out today which someone threatened me. It was
Speaker 2: mad I really Yeah, someone's tried to start a fight
Speaker 2: with me and I was like, this is not idea.
Speaker 1: I've had that one a few times. I've I've been
Speaker 1: threatened attacked. This one in Scotland was in Glasgow. I
Speaker 1: think I saw Billy Connolly in the hotel reception before
Speaker 1: the gig, so I thought that was a good good
Speaker 1: sign Billy can't have two starstropping and speak to the
Speaker 1: guy back. This was at fifteen around the time I
Speaker 1: did your gig fifteen years ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when we met.
Speaker 1: When we met, and then the guy thought he was
Speaker 1: a comedian, the guy putting the event on, so just
Speaker 1: did a load of jokes the internet at the beginning
Speaker 1: of the night, you know, all these pub jokes, and
Speaker 1: then put me on it. I think quarter to one
Speaker 1: in the morning and people walking around and I was
Speaker 1: sat at the table with all the clients, all these
Speaker 1: big business people, and I remember the gig going quite badly,
Speaker 1: some people listening and sitting back at the table and
Speaker 1: then were blanking me and then court and then afterwards
Speaker 1: I had to make a call and I got this.
Speaker 1: Apparently Hugh Grant used to do this as well, so
Speaker 1: I used to represent myself so when the client were
Speaker 1: called up, are you on to got Paul Chardy? Do you? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure he could. And then she called up and
Speaker 1: she goes, but he just wasn't funny.
Speaker 3: We want our money back.
Speaker 1: But I heard that you put him on very lately.
Speaker 3: That's not the point. The point is it wasn't funny.
Speaker 3: We watched him online. It was really funny, and he
Speaker 3: came and just well people weren't laughing. Yeah, but apparently
Speaker 3: the gig wasn't set up properly.
Speaker 1: It was it And I had this back and forth,
Speaker 1: but she was telling me I'm not funny when I
Speaker 1: was in the character of the agent.
Speaker 2: Fucking hell. The corporate that I did, the one corporate
Speaker 2: that I did was in like a country mansion where
Speaker 2: like some company had It was like a company retreat, right,
Speaker 2: and I'd been invited and they said it's quite small gathering,
Speaker 2: but like there's a dinner and at the end of
Speaker 2: the dinner, just do I think it was literally ten
Speaker 2: minutes to stand up at the other dinner. And when
Speaker 2: I arrived at this country mansion, the company were all
Speaker 2: dressed up as superheroes. They were fucking hammered and they
Speaker 2: were doing karaoke and they were like having the screaming
Speaker 2: running around his place, and the guy in charge went, okay,
Speaker 2: so I'll just gathered them around the table and I said,
Speaker 2: these people do not need comedy. This is mad, like
Speaker 2: they're very happy. The last thing they need is and
Speaker 2: it was literally like they're having the best party they've
Speaker 2: ever had, and then they're told off, like guys, guys,
Speaker 2: sit down now, because you've got to listen to this
Speaker 2: guy who's just wanting. And I was like, please, they
Speaker 2: don't need it. I said, you don't even have to
Speaker 2: pay me. They don't want this, they don't need it anyway. No, no, no,
Speaker 2: we've got you. We've booked you. And he made them
Speaker 2: sit down, and one guy dressed as Superman and literally
Speaker 2: just stood at a kitchen table with a mic and
Speaker 2: a little amp and I just think I said that, hello,
Speaker 2: well this is weird, isn't it. And a guy guy goes,
Speaker 2: have you got fucking anything? And I'd also been told
Speaker 2: you can't swear or anything, and I went, it's weird.
Speaker 2: I was told I'm not allowed to swear any went
Speaker 2: fucking going then, and I went, who's this? And then
Speaker 2: the whole thing went so dark. Oh god, it was
Speaker 2: so horrible. But I was also like, they don't need this.
Speaker 2: This is a terrible boocket. No one in this room
Speaker 2: is going, where's the stand up horrenda.
Speaker 1: That's and you played a superhero in one of your
Speaker 1: already films. I remember I messaged you at the time.
Speaker 2: That's true, that's true. This was after that guy inspiration.
Speaker 1: Of the what of the tragic superhero you played?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Great film.
Speaker 2: I want to play that guy. Thank you very much. Paul. Oh,
Speaker 2: I've fuck I've forgotten to tell you something. It's mad
Speaker 2: that I didn't tell you this at the beginning. That's mad.
Speaker 2: Uh god, I can't believe it, because you'd think this
Speaker 2: would be on my mind that the first thing i'd
Speaker 2: say to you, But I forgot. You've put it into
Speaker 2: You've died, You're dead?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember. I died and
Speaker 1: did you die bad corporate? Take my wife's name out
Speaker 1: of your fucking mouth corporate.
Speaker 2: Will Smith was there, and.
Speaker 1: Did I said to his wife, just did a film
Speaker 1: called g I Jane three not two three? Take my
Speaker 1: wife's name out your fucking mouth.
Speaker 2: And then Smith killed me just like walkdime to the
Speaker 2: state watches one clock to you right in the temper.
Speaker 1: I think, And then the people were laughing, thinking of
Speaker 1: sketch a tribute to Chris Rock, but no it was
Speaker 1: It'd probably be Will Smith Corporate death. You get to
Speaker 1: the point of hosting the Oscars and then you get slapped.
Speaker 1: You know that it was a corporate essentially, that was
Speaker 1: a corporate That's why you don't.
Speaker 2: Right, That's why you don't want to ask because it's
Speaker 2: the biggest fucking corp and it's televised.
Speaker 1: Jesus and I almost got attacked that same week at
Speaker 1: a wedding I did in Preston, Sorry, what.
Speaker 2: Are you doing weddings? Why is anyone doing weddings?
Speaker 1: Birthdays? Bar Mitzvah's why.
Speaker 2: Are you doing a wedding? What? Who's at a wedding guying?
Speaker 2: This needs stand up exactly? Bring the comedian man that's
Speaker 2: mad weddings. What happened this wedding?
Speaker 1: I turned up this wedding and say the guy and
Speaker 1: I had to recall the next day for a big
Speaker 1: Disney thing and Pete Holmes was discussing Cruella in the
Speaker 1: last and you know I'm in.
Speaker 2: Don't you. I love Cruella and you're the best thing.
Speaker 1: People don't know that's me. Of course it's you. You
Speaker 1: play on the second dog. I'm the Indian guy. I remember,
Speaker 1: I do remember.
Speaker 2: I generally was very excited to see you.
Speaker 1: Whenever a soon comes into the keb shop and the restaurant.
Speaker 1: Can I do please anything?
Speaker 2: Really?
Speaker 1: Were spend the day with emm A Stone lovely. I
Speaker 1: stayed in a stay in character. No I jumped out
Speaker 1: of character. Yeah, she's a lovely lady. I'm the stone.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the corporate was was interesting. And then you
Speaker 1: know that people say take me out my cousin. I
Speaker 1: took the mac out of his cousin by this back
Speaker 1: and forth with this guy in the audience, and he
Speaker 1: just ran up and said take my name o your
Speaker 1: mouth and one to fucking smart you. In a minute,
Speaker 1: I'll fucking punch you. And I said he's gonna And
Speaker 1: then his dad I said, sit down, sit down, stop it, son,
Speaker 1: this is in front of a marquet full of people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then his and his dad took the mic off
Speaker 1: me and said, this is not a good comedy to
Speaker 1: make fun of people like this. This is good for
Speaker 1: your shows. I said, well, it's fine for Wembley. Wembley,
Speaker 1: this is better than Wembley tent in some ship old
Speaker 1: up North. And then I had to try and rescue
Speaker 1: the gig after that.
Speaker 2: Who who? Who needs that? This is the thing I
Speaker 2: think is great. I love stand up, but I don't
Speaker 2: think stand up belongs anywhere than in stand up, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. I'm like, stand up belongs in
Speaker 2: a comedy club or a theater or wherever people are
Speaker 2: going to see stand up. Pop up stand up is
Speaker 2: maybe the worst thing in the world.
Speaker 1: The worst.
Speaker 2: No one wants surprise stand up.
Speaker 1: Lots of comedians have basically been asked for a refund
Speaker 1: by the clients because they never blame themselves. It's always
Speaker 1: your fault. It's your fault, you've ruined our event, You've
Speaker 1: done it on purpose. It's never like the room isn't
Speaker 1: set up for comedy.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. It's also like I've had very rarely. I'm
Speaker 2: very grateful for it, but sometimes i've had it. Like
Speaker 2: sometimes occasionally, once in a while I've had a very
Speaker 2: good gig and afterwards someone will be like, oh, you
Speaker 2: were so great, will you come and do my birthday?
Speaker 2: And I want to go to them. No, because you've
Speaker 2: just seen me in an environment where this works. If
Speaker 2: you then want to feel massive disappointment, I don't want
Speaker 2: to ruin your birthday. Yeah, be fucking surprise, stand up.
Speaker 2: No one ever wants surprise. Stand up. I believe in
Speaker 2: the history.
Speaker 1: You're interrupting their conversations. Like you said earlier, Yeah, people
Speaker 1: are trying to get off of each other in.
Speaker 2: Where are you from? They all know where they're from
Speaker 2: their friends.
Speaker 1: I remember the gigs I used to do way back
Speaker 1: in the day in nightclubs when I was in the
Speaker 1: circuit and half past one in the morning, they'd stop
Speaker 1: the music, are guys? You know, people are trying to
Speaker 1: and they're getting off and stop, guys, stop, turn the
Speaker 1: music off? And then where's the stage? You just stand
Speaker 1: on the sofa, so you have to just go. And
Speaker 1: then I realized these are just you're just dying. And
Speaker 1: then i'd get support act. I just get get the
Speaker 1: guy on first, and that he died, and then I'd
Speaker 1: go on answer and then all right, listen to you.
Speaker 2: Then you put operated human shielded up. Friend. Hey guy,
Speaker 2: it's a good kick. Have you give you a ten?
Speaker 2: If you go hack the system, that's great. So you
Speaker 2: died by getting hit by Willi Smith at a couple
Speaker 2: of gig I mean, absolutely tragic. Do you worry about death?
Speaker 1: I don't really worry about death, to be honest. Somehow
Speaker 1: the death wish but Charles Bronson, but I think you know,
Speaker 1: our lives in the universe, continuum of time itself. Is this,
Speaker 1: That's it. That is life if you look at the
Speaker 1: scheme and so you just got to it was very
Speaker 1: philosophical your discussion with Pete Holmes, and I don't know
Speaker 1: if I should refer to that one because that was
Speaker 1: the last one I listened to. But I'm not sure
Speaker 1: when mine's going out, But this is bees after. But
Speaker 1: he's one of the guys that was talking about how
Speaker 1: it's fleeting and earle quotes is when people bring these
Speaker 1: out like you've got to take every day as that comes,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So life ain't easy. We
Speaker 1: have ups, we have downs. We just got to take
Speaker 1: every day as it comes.
Speaker 2: Really, yeah, do you think something happens after you die?
Speaker 1: Well Stephen Hawkins said no, right, and I'm currently reading
Speaker 1: the book. How do you know if he died? You
Speaker 1: know he's died, Yeah, I know he died. So how
Speaker 1: did he know because he never came back and told us.
Speaker 2: Maybe you can't you know what I mean that we
Speaker 2: don't know the communication system. Well, yeah, maybe he's figuring
Speaker 2: it out using his brain, like, oh, maybe there's a
Speaker 2: way of or maybe he completed you know, he had
Speaker 2: a pretty good life, Like maybe he's just gone to
Speaker 2: a better place. See the other place.
Speaker 1: But they also say it's a better place. It's a
Speaker 1: better place than where we are. Now. How is it
Speaker 1: a better place? It depends where your place is. Though
Speaker 1: you're currently in London. If you're in a nice part
Speaker 1: of the world, it might not be a bad place.
Speaker 2: If you're in Barbados, sat by the sea.
Speaker 1: And if you die there, you're like, oh, I'm in
Speaker 1: hell now Barbados, that's interesting. I'm in northwest London. It's
Speaker 1: an absolute shitto. Yeah, so if I die, it probably
Speaker 1: would be a better place to the Northwestern Statistically, I'm
Speaker 1: living in hell basically.
Speaker 2: So yeah, well here's the thing. You are dead. I'll
Speaker 2: tell you this. I might be dead right now. Good
Speaker 2: news for you. You are dead, But there's good news for you.
Speaker 2: There is a heaven actually, and you're going to it,
Speaker 2: buddy boy.
Speaker 1: It used to be a gig in heaven, didn't they
Speaker 1: the Gay club in London?
Speaker 2: They did. It was a really good gig.
Speaker 1: I used to do it a lot.
Speaker 2: It was great, great, fucking ye. I'll tell you what
Speaker 2: was funny about that gig. It had such a big
Speaker 2: like music intro for you. It would be like a
Speaker 2: fucking rave. It'd be like as you walk to the stage,
Speaker 2: but you were like, there's no way I can follow
Speaker 2: this big and intro like people like.
Speaker 1: Ah, and they're singing along to the music and then stop,
Speaker 1: I've got some jokes. Hi, guys, Hi, put the music
Speaker 1: back on.
Speaker 2: We were driving. So there's a heaven. You're welcome there.
Speaker 2: Everyone's excited to see you. It's filled with your favorite thing.
Speaker 2: What's your favorite thing? Ironically en office film. Well, then
Speaker 2: you've come to the right place. Yeah, there's films everywhere.
Speaker 2: There's canisters knocking about the place, there's screens everything, and
Speaker 2: all anyone wants to talk to you about is your
Speaker 2: life through the medium of film. The first thing they
Speaker 2: ask you, Paul jawdri is they go, hello, mate, what's
Speaker 2: the first film you remember seeing?
Speaker 1: See? I grew up to film and I studied the
Speaker 1: film and I wanted to become a director. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: wanted before comedy, film and TV degree and I wanted
Speaker 1: to got some shit hole somewhere in Hartfordshire and I
Speaker 1: wanted to do I wanted to go into directing at
Speaker 1: the time and more behind the camera stuff, and then
Speaker 1: I started doing a stand up and that was a
Speaker 1: distant dream then, but I want to go back into
Speaker 1: maybe directing stuff later on. Interesting. So I grew up
Speaker 1: and studied film. I think film and stand up the
Speaker 1: two things. Probably obviously film a lot earlier than that.
Speaker 1: My earliest memory was watching Jaws. Nice and I know
Speaker 1: a lot of people say et on yours, but Jaws
Speaker 1: and that wast was probably the most pirated film at
Speaker 1: the time. Remember on a pirate copy. If I had
Speaker 1: a pirate copy of Eat, and that was piracy when
Speaker 1: the birth of piracy began around the world. But Jaws,
Speaker 1: the Spielberg film, and I watched as a child, and
Speaker 1: I used to then believe the sofas were boats and
Speaker 1: the carpets was the ocean, so you couldn't fall onto
Speaker 1: the carpet because you're going to get eaten by a shark.
Speaker 2: That's sweet. It's a fucking great film. Joy how's up.
Speaker 1: It's just the troubles they had making that film. The
Speaker 1: Shark would all sink. But the fact that he pulled
Speaker 1: that off. Spielberg, I think it's one of the greatest films,
Speaker 1: maybe of all time. And the acting is it's it's potentially,
Speaker 1: you know, arguably one of the greatest narrative structures and
Speaker 1: arcs of a film, and quite conventional. And he was
Speaker 1: so young when he made that. If you directed anything,
Speaker 1: did you make shorts? I made shorts? Yeah, I made
Speaker 1: lots of shorts at college and stuff. And I like
Speaker 1: short films and I I've seen quite a few of
Speaker 1: yours sorts. Yeah, you don't want to see my old shorts.
Speaker 1: I've got them on video.
Speaker 2: Actually please upload them.
Speaker 1: Well, and now I'm dead, this is when the stuff
Speaker 1: comes out. Yes, now I'm dead. That you will never
Speaker 1: release all the and I've got now I've obviously I've
Speaker 1: got the USBs and hard drives full of stand up
Speaker 1: that I've never put online, hours and hours of footage.
Speaker 1: My death will be like two packs, countless albums.
Speaker 2: They'll just be albums coming out.
Speaker 1: Albums coming from Death Records. Okay, well the abbas doing
Speaker 1: it now?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the chowder. Not dead yet?
Speaker 1: Am I dead yet? Hello? Is this on the first show?
Speaker 1: And now with AI you can do that, You'll be
Speaker 1: able to do I'll be able to do a records
Speaker 1: in tour with your voice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'd be honest. What is the film that
Speaker 2: scared you the most? Do you like being scared?
Speaker 1: I'm a huge Probably. Horror is one of my favorite genres,
Speaker 1: and the original Poltergeist really disturbed me as a child.
Speaker 1: Now I'm not sure because then afterwards it disturbed me
Speaker 1: even further when I've found out the troubles on set
Speaker 1: and they say the film was cursed, and obviously the
Speaker 1: loss of the lead actress shortly afterwards, being stuck in
Speaker 1: the TV, and just Poltergeist in general is if you
Speaker 1: don't believe in the afterlife when you're younger, and even now,
Speaker 1: if you hear a noise, it's always a poltar Geist.
Speaker 1: It's always like it's never someone's broke, it's a ghost,
Speaker 1: it's something, it's if something drops downstairs, it's it's always
Speaker 1: some kind of extra trest. We're not an extraterrest e
Speaker 1: t I didn't think it was scary polter Geist.
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen a ghost.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I've seen a few. Tell me well, I
Speaker 1: don't know if I saw it, but I went to
Speaker 1: the London Dungeon and that is also quite scary. He
Speaker 1: go as a child, have you been? Yeah a long time,
Speaker 1: long time? And when I went home it really shipped
Speaker 1: me up. And then the I remember the light bulb
Speaker 1: smashed when I was in bed. What it just smashed?
Speaker 1: It blew up and I felt that I bought some
Speaker 1: of the spirits back with me from the shit.
Speaker 2: What about crying? Do you cry? Like? What's the film
Speaker 2: that made you cry the most?
Speaker 1: I try not to cry, obviously. That's the joke. If
Speaker 1: you need a box of tissues watching a film, it's
Speaker 1: a porner.
Speaker 2: But so.
Speaker 1: I would say Interstellar, yeah, because it kind of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was very hard to It was a great porner
Speaker 1: because it sounds like a porner, doesn't it. Inter Stellar.
Speaker 2: He's a very good looking man.
Speaker 1: I'm into Stellar or a beer could be a beer reference.
Speaker 1: But the guy is dead and then he's seeing his
Speaker 1: child and his children become older before him. Yeah, some
Speaker 1: couple of spoilers there spoiler alert. But it's very emotional
Speaker 1: that film, isn't it. It does teach you about the
Speaker 1: fleeting amount of time we have this. Yeah, you think
Speaker 1: about that a lot. Yeah, now I'm old thinking how
Speaker 1: much longer have we got left?
Speaker 2: Well, you're in your seventies now, aren't you.
Speaker 1: So Yeah, I've been doing this forty sixty years now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: forty five years.
Speaker 2: When what is the film that you love? People don't
Speaker 2: like it. It's not critically acclaimed, but you think it's
Speaker 2: fucking brilliant.
Speaker 1: This film got slated when it came out and I
Speaker 1: saw it in the cinema, which was a classic in
Speaker 1: my opinion. A lot of people despised it. But now
Speaker 1: it has come back to be a classic.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Rocky four, Rocky four, Rocky the Russian went, Rocky
Speaker 2: kills Dolph Langering and fixes Communism.
Speaker 1: He doesn't kill Dolf, Frank kills kills Apollo. Dolph Lugering
Speaker 1: kills Apollo creed right, and then Rocky siks revenge, fixes
Speaker 1: the then and then tries to fix the Cold War.
Speaker 2: Yes, he fixes the coupboard for a box for fighting.
Speaker 1: And then Stalin's at the end. And if I could shame,
Speaker 1: you can shame. We couldn't shame he does it for
Speaker 1: a part, I did it for a bowlo. You know,
Speaker 1: I'll do I'll do that one.
Speaker 2: It's a beautiful film. Great, So it's a really profound,
Speaker 2: great film.
Speaker 1: And Dolph Langering became a massive superstar off that, and
Speaker 1: James Brown makes a cameo in it living in America
Speaker 1: the opening segment before Apollo gets killed. And now look
Speaker 1: at all the Apollo films off the back of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love him.
Speaker 1: Those were the births of the that that's what's them,
Speaker 1: The Creeds franchise.
Speaker 2: Love the Creeds.
Speaker 1: I think the Creeds are great, Create three, fantastic. They
Speaker 1: should have just called it Apollo though, but then they
Speaker 1: couldn't call it Apollo because the Apollo films, Yeah, they
Speaker 1: called it, so they must not called up because he was.
Speaker 1: He never said I did it for Creed, you know.
Speaker 1: He was just saying, I did this for a bower,
Speaker 1: you know, a bow, and then they called it Creed.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, well he's not called he's not called though,
Speaker 2: the creat character he is.
Speaker 1: His dad his dad was, yeah, ye, his dad was, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true, that's true.
Speaker 2: Necessarily, what they what's the film that you used to love?
Speaker 2: You loved it, and then you voiced it recently and You've.
Speaker 1: Got out boy that I kind of still love it,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't have the same effect on me. But
Speaker 1: it's a classic. I still think it's one of the
Speaker 1: greatest films of all time, but it doesn't hold up
Speaker 1: as it used to, which would be William Fredkins's classic
Speaker 1: from nineteen seventy three, The Exorcist.
Speaker 2: You think you don't like it so much anymore.
Speaker 1: I like it, but it wasn't as scary when I watched.
Speaker 1: And I've seen that film countless times. They say it
Speaker 1: could be what the people say outside of the genre
Speaker 1: of horric could well be the perfect film, and they
Speaker 1: are making another one now, Warner Brothers. Yeah. Two, The Herrick,
Speaker 1: I think Herrick and the Third. It started going a
Speaker 1: bit downhill after that, but there are so many symbolisms,
Speaker 1: but it's not scary, and the effects. It was way
Speaker 1: before special effects, and then the deleted scenes when she
Speaker 1: runs down as a spider backwards downstairs, but it just
Speaker 1: wasn't as scary, right, I think now, But obviously it's
Speaker 1: a it's like a forty nine to fifty year old
Speaker 1: film now, but it's fifty year old that film, isn't it. Jesus,
Speaker 1: Jesus that's exactly what they were saying in that film.
Speaker 2: A lot said it a lot the power of Christ compoundstone,
Speaker 2: the power of Christ's compoundstone. I want you to do
Speaker 2: more acting, and I also want you to direct a film.
Speaker 2: I'd like you to direct a film that you're in.
Speaker 2: You and emma' styn.
Speaker 1: It's hard to get Emma to return cause these days,
Speaker 1: but I'm sure I can get older.
Speaker 2: That seems again, I don't believe you. I assume you.
Speaker 2: You and Aaron and WhatsApp group.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I did Devils for two seasons with
Speaker 1: Patrick Dempsey. The sky drama and acting is a you
Speaker 1: do so much of it, but you do comedy, so
Speaker 1: it's probably more of a laugh, but serious drama. Staying
Speaker 1: in that zone of it was suspense. It's hard, isn't it.
Speaker 2: I don't know, with a serious seat.
Speaker 1: There were some scenes in there where there's there's murders
Speaker 1: in it. There's suspense, and you've really got to be
Speaker 1: in that world and it's quite it's quite a and
Speaker 1: I can see why actors lose it sometimes. It's quite
Speaker 1: depressing when you've got to rile yourself up and get
Speaker 1: think about a point in your life, where you've been
Speaker 1: there and what's taking you? And then in season two,
Speaker 1: I did a few episodes, but I don't know giveaway spoilers.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, I'm not sure if I should give
Speaker 1: away spoilers if anything.
Speaker 2: You tell me you're in your I don't know if
Speaker 2: you're allowed to. If you're allowed to, well we'll skip you.
Speaker 2: If you're watching the Devils, you don't know what happens
Speaker 2: in season two, skip this bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but my murder, how do you get killed? So
Speaker 1: I've been killed a few times, man, And I've died
Speaker 1: on stage a few times. So yeah, so we've died
Speaker 1: a lot. We've died a lot more than more humans.
Speaker 1: It's weird, isn't it. I was thinking that recently. If
Speaker 1: you die a lot in life, so so many times.
Speaker 2: Like your your festival story of yesterday, and one of
Speaker 2: the biggest depths of my entire life was at the
Speaker 2: green Man Festival. Fuck me at a huge ten, absolute
Speaker 2: silence from the top for twenty five minutes. You listen
Speaker 2: back to it, it sounds like I'm practicing in the
Speaker 2: mirror in a bathroom.
Speaker 1: I'd love to do more, you know, I might have
Speaker 1: a gig next week at a nightclub if you want
Speaker 1: to come and open.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, what is the film that means the most
Speaker 2: to you? Not necessarily the film's any good, but because
Speaker 2: the experience you had around seeing the film will always
Speaker 2: make it special to you.
Speaker 1: Well, it was a box office flop at the time,
Speaker 1: in the eighties, and it was directed by Martin Scorsese.
Speaker 1: I'm sure comics has said this to you before, King
Speaker 1: of Comedy. Amazing film go on, But the beginning of
Speaker 1: the opening sequence and just the character in himself, that
Speaker 1: perseverance of I believe I'm funny, funny enough to be hosting.
Speaker 1: He was like most people we know, he was us
Speaker 1: in essence before we start, when you have to have
Speaker 1: a self belief in comedy because no one else thinks
Speaker 1: you're funny when you start a stand.
Speaker 2: Up, that's true only you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very weird, and he captures the antithesis of
Speaker 1: the psyche of somebody who thinks they're funny and nobody
Speaker 1: else does. Nobody thought, put Pumpkin, it's funny.
Speaker 2: And then he has a great gig at the end
Speaker 2: he does have a great gig.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, but look at what he had to go through.
Speaker 1: He had to go through a lot of corporates.
Speaker 2: He really did. So you you you you feel that
Speaker 2: film when you film? Did you see that before you
Speaker 2: did Stand Up? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Way before I did Stand Up? Right? And that was
Speaker 1: primetime de Nero as well, because then he went on
Speaker 1: to make comedies, Grandpa films and stuff and the darkness
Speaker 1: and being in his bedroom and building the set and
Speaker 1: the talk show. Yeah, and it's all and it's all fantasy.
Speaker 1: Is that. It's obviously the comparisons to Joker, and then
Speaker 1: that's so it's there's so many parallels with that, and
Speaker 1: then and then obviously no spoilers, but what happens to
Speaker 1: him Wacky Phoenix Joker? Yeah, if you haven't seen that,
Speaker 1: I don't want to spoil that for you. But after
Speaker 1: watching Joker, go back and watch King of Comedy. What's
Speaker 1: the film you most relate to? If not King a Comedy,
Speaker 1: it would probably be Scum. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: remember Scum. I remember nineteen seventy nine Alan Clark, Ray Winston.
Speaker 1: There were two versions, weren't there There were two versions
Speaker 1: of Scum, and Scum was about a borstal. If you're
Speaker 1: listening in other countries, a borstal is a young offenders
Speaker 1: institute for but it really reflected what London and people
Speaker 1: we knew growing up a school or you can't vacuum
Speaker 1: bollocks And if Americans want to learn about British culture,
Speaker 1: scum is is where you just even the title of
Speaker 1: the film scum It was pretty It really did put
Speaker 1: you off crime, Yeah, that's true. And that one scene
Speaker 1: in the greenhouse put you off committing any crimes. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I did not want to go to You did not
Speaker 1: want to go because you can't go to prison in
Speaker 1: those days as a young offender to God to Borstal
Speaker 1: and it was violent, it was aggressive, it was bleak,
Speaker 1: it was the film is kind of gritty, isn't it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And as a riot in like they have a football
Speaker 1: match and it was a real riot when they filmed it.
Speaker 1: Alan Clark would get the actors too. He really he's
Speaker 1: not another director is no longer with us, but he
Speaker 1: was one of the greatest British film directors around seventies,
Speaker 1: did some great films.
Speaker 2: Well he just goes a riot and film just people would.
Speaker 1: Just start fighting and it's all these kids, loads of
Speaker 1: testofs thrown in the room and that that that scene
Speaker 1: when Ray Winston puts it, gets into a bit of
Speaker 1: a bit of a scuffle a couple of gooses, and
Speaker 1: he goes down to the boiler room. But before that,
Speaker 1: he goes to this because he didn't know any weapons.
Speaker 1: So we'd get a sock and put two snooker balls
Speaker 1: in it, and that became a weapon when we were younger,
Speaker 1: put bulls in the sock, bikes smacking the backing slag.
Speaker 1: I remember, have you ever smacked anyone two snooker balls
Speaker 1: in the sock?
Speaker 2: I think too? Is actually you have less sort of
Speaker 2: uh mariage?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, what is?
Speaker 2: This is the reason people tune in? What is the
Speaker 2: sexiest film you've ever seen?
Speaker 1: When I was growing up, I was. I'm a Christopher
Speaker 1: Reeve fan, not only just Superman, but so many of
Speaker 1: his films. I think he was a very underrated actor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's nice.
Speaker 1: He was given a lot of grief because he was
Speaker 1: such a good looking man, so people didn't quite believe.
Speaker 1: And in those days when he landed the role as Superman,
Speaker 1: he did Superman two at the same time one and
Speaker 1: two and with Terence Stamp was in the second playing
Speaker 1: General Zodd.
Speaker 2: Come to me, Superman if you dare.
Speaker 1: Son of Jerrau, son of my jailer Neil before Zod.
Speaker 2: Really good, that one, well done.
Speaker 1: But he gives up his superpowers for Lois Lane at
Speaker 1: the hotel and he goes to the Molecule Chamber and
Speaker 1: exchanges his superpowers essentially for Pump.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is the plot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the plot line. I don't think that says
Speaker 1: it on IMDb.
Speaker 2: But he said and pick tell us the love lad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was thinking, this is You've really got
Speaker 1: to love someone to give up your superpowers. It said
Speaker 1: so many things to me. I saw it in the cinema. Actually,
Speaker 1: I saw that in the cinema.
Speaker 2: That's great.
Speaker 1: And that was in the early eighties. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: already I was forty at the time. Yeah. My sister
Speaker 1: then yeah, yeah. And then I went to see Superman
Speaker 1: four in the cinema. Three I did. I saw in
Speaker 1: video with Richard Pryor. And there were two super good
Speaker 1: and bad Superman. Superman one all time classic, which was
Speaker 1: Marlon Brando got most of that money. But two, I
Speaker 1: think is arguably the best way the best Superman of
Speaker 1: all time and almost such a great, great cast. The
Speaker 1: mute super villain there was a lot of turmoil on
Speaker 1: set as well of that film. Yeah, I've looked into
Speaker 1: so I like to. I like to watch films and
Speaker 1: then find out what happened during filming and then what
Speaker 1: kind of relationships they had with the actors. But I
Speaker 1: think he tried to knock out Christopher Reeve at one
Speaker 1: point because they thought he was quite arrogant. Did Terrence
Speaker 1: Stamp not Terrence Stamp the mute? Do you remember the
Speaker 1: mute guy? I can't remember the actor's name, Okay, who
Speaker 1: plays the mute? So there's there's there's three of them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's the British actress, Terrence Stamp and the mute. So
Speaker 1: because them three got imprisoned because that's the son of
Speaker 1: the jailer, so Superman's dad. Yeah, imprisons them and then
Speaker 1: some something happens in space and it smashes and they
Speaker 1: come out.
Speaker 2: At the beginning, I have to ask, all of this
Speaker 2: is lovely, this is your sexiest film?
Speaker 1: Well, it's just that what would you give up for love? Really?
Speaker 1: Apart from Apart from that, I'd say American Wealth in London?
Speaker 1: All right, that was a very sexy film. And nine
Speaker 1: and a half Weeks also correct them too, but as
Speaker 1: in conventional sexy but Superman two in terms of it's
Speaker 1: really it's a really story about love, isn't it. Yeah, like,
Speaker 1: would you give up? Would we give up comedy for
Speaker 1: someone special? That's our superpower?
Speaker 2: Would you?
Speaker 1: Would I give it up? It's I wouldn't go into
Speaker 1: a molecule chamber and give up my comedy. I keep
Speaker 1: the comedy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Lois Lane is saying I want to be with
Speaker 2: you forever. I love you, but I need you to
Speaker 2: get rid of your comedy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But then she kind of gaslights him by jumping off
Speaker 1: that building and stuff. Yeah yeah, and the fire scene
Speaker 1: to prove she's got Yeah, so you wouldn't give up
Speaker 1: comedy for love? No, I'd find somebody who accept me
Speaker 1: for who I am.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what if this this this woman that's sort
Speaker 2: of making quite an extreme ultimatum. She's like, I will
Speaker 2: love you and give you the best life. We will
Speaker 2: have the most wonderful adventures together, but you can you
Speaker 2: can't do comedy anymore? Yes, I see. There's a kind
Speaker 2: of a red flag that she's like making you stop
Speaker 2: this thing that you love but you really fancy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so what are you going to do. It's a
Speaker 1: tough one. I'm sure you've been there before. You'd have
Speaker 1: to comedy.
Speaker 2: I chose in comedy, but it's difficult.
Speaker 1: You know, it is different good if you release because
Speaker 1: American wealth in London, it's similar. Yeah, got parallels to
Speaker 1: Superman two because at the end she realizes he is
Speaker 1: a were wolf, but she still loved him.
Speaker 2: That's real love when you can love a were wolf because.
Speaker 1: You and me are very hairy. We essentially a were wolves.
Speaker 1: Always said you're harry than an Indian.
Speaker 2: Thank you. There's a subcategree to this question. Traveling Boner
Speaker 2: is worrying. Why done what? It's a film you found
Speaker 2: arousing that you weren't sure you should. Who framed Roger
Speaker 2: Rabbit perfect? I mean the rabbit is fit.
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna say Bob Hoskins, But Bob Hoskins
Speaker 1: was one of the greatest British actors of all time,
Speaker 1: especially especially mon Lisa. That's one of the greatest films
Speaker 1: ever made.
Speaker 2: Nice shout out doesn't get brought up enough. Which one Lisa, Oh,
Speaker 2: great film? Another film about love. Yeah, you're a romantic?
Speaker 1: Yeah, another film about it's It's it's these are all
Speaker 1: broken love stories though, aren't they? They're not conventional.
Speaker 2: Are you in love right now?
Speaker 1: No? A single male at the moment. Yeah, do you
Speaker 1: want love?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And my love I get from the audiences is yeah,
Speaker 1: there's the love, the adoration, standing ovations, the croud surfing,
Speaker 1: the obsession.
Speaker 2: Love is hard to find these days, isn't it. What
Speaker 2: is objectively the greatest film of all time?
Speaker 1: Tadre the greatest film of all time? I would say,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if anyone can be Stanley Kubrick's two
Speaker 1: thousand and one, A Space Odyssey. It literally you could
Speaker 1: almost take any frame of a Kubrick film and use it.
Speaker 1: That the filmography within almost every film he ever made
Speaker 1: was that every frame is kind of a masterpiece. And
Speaker 1: I know there's there's a kind of thing they say,
Speaker 1: take after take. He would do one hundred takes. But
Speaker 1: I recently saw a video where Kubrick said, it's just
Speaker 1: because the actors don't learn their lines. If they learned
Speaker 1: their lines, it wouldn't have to do it. But then
Speaker 1: it became a thing about him grueling down the actors
Speaker 1: to make them. The rumor actually devoured in the shining. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's so many. I might have him on a further list,
Speaker 1: but two thousand and one, such little dialogue and made
Speaker 1: in the seventies, it still stands today. You could watch
Speaker 1: it and thinking this is this was made last year.
Speaker 1: It's pretty phenomenal and really weird. I like, I wed it,
Speaker 1: yeah and so long, but it doesn't feel it And
Speaker 1: now Barbie of Barbie have opened with it. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: really does. It's the thread of film today.
Speaker 2: What is the film you could or have watched the
Speaker 2: most over and over again?
Speaker 1: You know, Well, it's because I collected videos growing up
Speaker 1: and then DBDs after. There were so many Back when
Speaker 1: we were younger. You didn't have screaming, you didn't have
Speaker 1: many platforms, so we would watch films. I would say
Speaker 1: Batman's Tim Tim Burton version. Yes, I watched time and
Speaker 1: time again, even though I even saw in the sy
Speaker 1: Watch because it was so close to the comic book.
Speaker 1: It was almost the same as the comic book and
Speaker 1: Predator another. There were so many films that I'd watch
Speaker 1: over and that you'd know the dialogue to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, credit is great.
Speaker 1: There there are just so many films that I would
Speaker 1: learn and that's kind of what taught me how to
Speaker 1: act almost that you just know from Scorsese films too,
Speaker 1: because when you had the DVDs, you just think I
Speaker 1: wanted to check that on. You wouldn't go on a
Speaker 1: streaming service thing, I'm going to watch this. And they
Speaker 1: weren't box sets at the time. Yeah, they were just
Speaker 1: TV shows that were on TV, so we record them,
Speaker 1: so you would. We would just watch films and posters
Speaker 1: of films, pulp fictions, you know, off by heart and
Speaker 1: all these films were just they're just stuck with you
Speaker 1: and were kind of like the backdrop of our childhood.
Speaker 1: So I kind of feel sorry for the kids now
Speaker 1: because they don't have that really, But there's so much
Speaker 1: out there now, wasn't there.
Speaker 2: Yeah? What was the one?
Speaker 1: If you had to pick one that I would watch
Speaker 1: over and over?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that you did.
Speaker 1: What's the most Maybe the Shining Oh nice? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I've seen that. I used to watch it over
Speaker 1: and over and you can read in there's so many
Speaker 1: subtexts in that film. The think about Kubert film was
Speaker 1: that you could read in. In those days, you'd read
Speaker 1: a filmy, so you could study and read a film,
Speaker 1: whereas now it's made very simple and they need to
Speaker 1: keep your attention because you can just flip over. They
Speaker 1: have that little sequence. Now at the beginning. People do
Speaker 1: that on videos online. Now they'll put a clip from
Speaker 1: later on in the video. Yeah, yeah, yeah, grab you.
Speaker 2: They do a trailer for the trailer coming up.
Speaker 1: In this trailer, and I don't like watching. I hate
Speaker 1: watching trailers. There's too many spoilers in them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what is the worst film you've ever seen?
Speaker 1: There are again, so many And at the time when
Speaker 1: I grew up in the eighties, there were straight to
Speaker 1: video movies, which are now you would know. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: you knew what was considered a bad film in the
Speaker 1: industry because we went video. Now you don't know, so
Speaker 1: you'll take a risk something online.
Speaker 2: True.
Speaker 1: But I did see this in the cinema, and there
Speaker 1: were a couple. One I didn't see in the cinema.
Speaker 1: But when I went to see the Eddie Murphy classic,
Speaker 1: and a side note, I'm a huge Eddie Murphy fan.
Speaker 1: But when I saw Norbid, I couldn't believe what I
Speaker 1: was watching. I was doing a gig and I went
Speaker 1: there and they it was packed out cinema and it
Speaker 1: was is considered a comedy. I had to remind myself
Speaker 1: before talking to you, is this film as bad as
Speaker 1: I thought it was. I watched the trailer and it's
Speaker 1: essentially a film which is one joke. It's a fat joke, right,
Speaker 1: It's a film about fat shaving, okay, and that's it.
Speaker 1: Eddie Murphy plays all the characters as he normally does,
Speaker 1: and he plays this norbid character, and there's the fat
Speaker 1: woman and going down the slide in the sea park
Speaker 1: and then everyone just the hackiest. I never sat in
Speaker 1: a cinema of a comedy film to silence. Really, I
Speaker 1: wanted to walk out and I didn't want to do
Speaker 1: that to an Eddie Murphy film. But then think about
Speaker 1: Eddie Murphy. Is there's the argument that he's going to
Speaker 1: come back to do stand up, but then you can't
Speaker 1: go You can't where can he really test his material
Speaker 1: because he can't turn about a club. People are going
Speaker 1: to go ballistic when he turns up and walks on stage,
Speaker 1: and that kind of lost touch with what comedy is. Essentially,
Speaker 1: if you use the term punching down, well it could
Speaker 1: be considered punching. I'm not mad on the term punching
Speaker 1: down because you're saying there are other people below us,
Speaker 1: and not necessarily they're not Why you're saying that person's
Speaker 1: below us? Who were you to say that? But it
Speaker 1: was I would say it's shaming. And I was sat
Speaker 1: next to someone very large and they weren't laughing, and
Speaker 1: I put my arm around them, well just on the shoulder.
Speaker 1: I couldn't get it around. I couldn't get my arm
Speaker 1: all the way around. I said, man, it's all right,
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. Stop being my popcorn.
Speaker 2: What's the film that made you laugh the most?
Speaker 1: And yes, again, you know so many, but this film.
Speaker 1: Probably films they call it homage when they take other directors,
Speaker 1: whereas in our world they call it plagiarism. But said
Speaker 1: the nineteen eighty film Airplane has probably been copied in
Speaker 1: so many films since certain certain jokes and the style
Speaker 1: of it the Airplane was alternative, when in this country
Speaker 1: you hadn't seen We didn't have alternative. England followed comedy
Speaker 1: years after Americas. In the eighties. It was all right,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying my wife's fat, but yeah, it was
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, wasn't it. It was very mainstream
Speaker 1: jokey jokes, pub jokes, and in nineteen eighty you think
Speaker 1: that was made in nineteen eighty. Airplane that Don't call
Speaker 1: Me Shirley lines, And if some of it wouldn't be
Speaker 1: the sweating, the blow up doll, there are just so
Speaker 1: many standout moments of that film and the slang in it.
Speaker 1: I'm not even sure if some of it would be
Speaker 1: acceptable today too. It would not be. It would not
Speaker 1: get past the sense the broad that it'd be banned.
Speaker 1: We'd probably get counseled today.
Speaker 2: Paul Chawdrey, when you were doing a corporate gig, you
Speaker 2: did a corporate gig and you were really excited about
Speaker 2: it because you love corporate gigs, and you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: know how to do this? And you turn up with
Speaker 2: your on stage and you see, oh my god, Will
Speaker 2: Smith and Jada Pinkett Smith are in the audience, and
Speaker 2: you be and you were like, I'm going to take
Speaker 2: a risk. You know, time has passed. It's all a laugh,
Speaker 2: and you say, I'm really looking forward to g I
Speaker 2: Jane three, and everyone laughs. Will Smith laughs. Then he
Speaker 2: looks at Jada and then he stands up and he
Speaker 2: walks up to the stage and he slaps you right
Speaker 2: on the temple and you die instantly up on the
Speaker 2: floor dead, and then Will Smith goes, oh, no, I've
Speaker 2: done it again, and he walks back to his seat
Speaker 2: and he sits down, and there's like quite tense thing
Speaker 2: because it's a wedding and you know, the bride and
Speaker 2: groom are like this was this what we wanted for
Speaker 2: our wedding? And I'm one of the guests. I'm there.
Speaker 2: I've brought a coffin along because you never know, and
Speaker 2: I go, fucking know. He just go, Will Smith, you
Speaker 2: just kill poor Chawdrey. He's one of the greats. What
Speaker 2: are you doing? And he goes, ah, you know what,
Speaker 2: Will Smith said. What bothered me about it was that
Speaker 2: g I Jane too hadn't yet happened, so like the
Speaker 2: joke doesn't even make logical sense, and I go, no,
Speaker 2: Will I think it does. Like I think the joke
Speaker 2: is he's taking a sort of gamble. He's you know,
Speaker 2: he thinks you've moved on and everyone can laugh about this.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: He was wrong about that. He was clearly wrong, and
Speaker 2: I'm sure had you not killed him, he'd probably apologize
Speaker 2: because actually was a decent guy. And most Smith says,
Speaker 2: it's not that it's like I just I think I
Speaker 2: made it clear the first time. I don't like jokes
Speaker 2: about her being compared to g I Jane, and I said, Will,
Speaker 2: that's not the point. We need to get rid of
Speaker 2: this body. And so I come on to the stage.
Speaker 2: Now you've eaten some of the wedding cake before you've
Speaker 2: gone out, so you've sort of puffed out a bit,
Speaker 2: much more than I was expecting. So I go, Will
Speaker 2: grab an axe. He's not going to fit in the
Speaker 2: coffee like this. Will gets an axe, Him and me
Speaker 2: just chopping up the body, chopping you up, and the
Speaker 2: wedding gets a scream and there's blood flying everywhere, brides
Speaker 2: dresses and covered in blood. So it's like carry Now
Speaker 2: she's going, what happened? Why did we order a stand up?
Speaker 2: I go, as I'm chopping up, I said, you'd never
Speaker 2: need a stand up at a wedding. It was a
Speaker 2: mad idea in the first place. You've only got yourself
Speaker 2: to blame. Splash, bust, blood all over. Anyway, we get
Speaker 2: all the chunks of your body, we stuff it in,
Speaker 2: stuff it in the coffin. I go, listen, you can
Speaker 2: do your first dance in a minute. We got to
Speaker 2: get rid of this comedian stuff. You all in blood everywhere.
Speaker 2: There's only enough room in this coffin to slide one
Speaker 2: DVD into the side for you to take across to heaven.
Speaker 2: And in heaven, it's movie night every night. What film
Speaker 2: are you taking to show everyone when it's your movie night,
Speaker 2: mister Paul Chowdery.
Speaker 1: Probably Once Upon a Time in America?
Speaker 2: Excellent choice. What a long night.
Speaker 1: It's going to be a long night.
Speaker 2: Five hours, it's about four, it's at least four before, okay, but.
Speaker 1: It's you know, it does again talks about life. It
Speaker 1: shows where our lives have evolved through the medium of film.
Speaker 1: And that ringing at the beginning, it never leaves you.
Speaker 1: That telephone call and gangsters, and there's so much in
Speaker 1: that film that again has been used. I'm just going
Speaker 1: to get the year of Once upon a Time Once
Speaker 1: Obviously Tarantino copied the title Once Upon a Time in
Speaker 1: America when I saw it, it was back in obviously
Speaker 1: de Niro, James woods peci is such a great film
Speaker 1: from nineteen eighty four. It was it was nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 1: I think Sergio Leoni may well be one of the
Speaker 1: greatest directors of all time as well, for sure, said
Speaker 1: if you want to learn about film, you've got to
Speaker 1: go back to Sergiolioni. Yeah, and Denia playing noodles.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: Bert Young another incredible actor, who remember the actors used
Speaker 1: to see and everything back in the day, or he
Speaker 1: was in Rocky but Young and you just don't see those. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was such a great film in nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 1: It's gonna check. It was written by Harry Gray. You
Speaker 1: did so many great films at the time, Leonardo Piero
Speaker 1: di Bernardi. There was something I was going to tell
Speaker 1: you about that film. It was it was said that
Speaker 1: for its US release, the film was cut by ninety minutes,
Speaker 1: from three hours forty seven to two hours nineteen. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: so you were right, it was it was just under
Speaker 1: four hours. But because in those days that have intervals,
Speaker 1: which is the lot of films, which is sometimes we
Speaker 1: haven't had them in England for a long time now.
Speaker 1: If you need to take a piss and you take
Speaker 1: a piss mate, I.
Speaker 2: Think the last time it happened Hamlet, Kenneth Branner's Hamlet,
Speaker 2: which was four hours. That was the last time there
Speaker 2: was an interval in a cinema.
Speaker 1: But they didn't do it with Titanic. They didn't do
Speaker 1: with a lot of films. The budget was around thirty million, Wow, amazing,
Speaker 1: and it grossed about five so that was worldwide. So
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if it would consider the success at
Speaker 1: the time, but those kinds of films, even like Raging Bull,
Speaker 1: was a massive flock when it came out. In fact,
Speaker 1: Scorsese didn't want to direct again around that time, did he?
Speaker 1: Or was it when de Niro calls scor It was New.
Speaker 2: York, New York.
Speaker 1: That was New York, and then school and then scorse
Speaker 1: started doing drugs. Yeah, and then he had a heart attack.
Speaker 1: And then Denis get out and do Raging Ball. Yeah,
Speaker 1: get out and do Raging Ball, which also didn't do
Speaker 1: great the box office at the time.
Speaker 2: That was it?
Speaker 1: That and the original King of Comedy. King of Comedy
Speaker 1: didn't do that well. But and now look at scores
Speaker 1: and Scorsese is one of the guys that really fights
Speaker 1: against streaming platforms, even though he's doing it now, but
Speaker 1: he was one of the first to say film needs
Speaker 1: to be seen in the cinema. Yeah, film can't be
Speaker 1: seen on one of these I can't How can you
Speaker 1: watch a film in landscape or portrait? How can you
Speaker 1: watch a film in portrait mode?
Speaker 2: Disgusting the phone?
Speaker 1: It is disgusting, isn't it?
Speaker 2: I think so?
Speaker 1: And even as you said you said it before, like
Speaker 1: even if you've got a surround sound cinema and in
Speaker 1: the living room and it's not the same, you can stop, start,
Speaker 1: take a call WhatsApp. It's not what it used to be,
Speaker 1: is it?
Speaker 2: Nuts? Thank God for Bobby and am Ri. You've been
Speaker 2: a delight. Is there anything you would like to tell
Speaker 2: anyone to look out for or to listen to in
Speaker 2: the coming months.
Speaker 1: I know you don't like to plug things on this
Speaker 1: on this podcast, Yeah we do.
Speaker 2: This is your plugging bit.
Speaker 1: Oh well, I've always got my podcast. I'd love to
Speaker 1: get you on Great. We had Nick Muhammad on last week,
Speaker 1: Great Lovely Boy, one of your colleagues and one of
Speaker 1: our circuit regulars from back in the day.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's funny how we see people from It's like the
Speaker 1: circuit as a comedian, it's like your friends from school.
Speaker 2: It is completely that.
Speaker 1: So when we see each other again, I'm really happy
Speaker 1: that you're doing well, Brett, because we were at school together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1: We're in the same class almost, except I was a
Speaker 1: few years above you and you were like you were
Speaker 1: like head boy, yeah, and you were like the new
Speaker 1: kid and took you under my wing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And now you're taking me under your wing. Which it
Speaker 1: is lovely, lovely to see you. Thank you very much
Speaker 1: for doing this.
Speaker 2: I hope your new talk goes excellently, and I hope
Speaker 2: I see you in the film that you direct and
Speaker 2: write and starting with MST.
Speaker 1: I hope to see you off camera one day.
Speaker 2: It's really lovely to see you man. Thank you for
Speaker 2: doing this. Have a wonderful death. Good day to you.
Speaker 1: Lovely to see you, mate.
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Speaker 2: for the graphics, at least to lay them for the photography.
Speaker 2: Come join me next week for a brilliant guest. I'll
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Speaker 2: in it? That is it for now. I hope you're
Speaker 2: all very well, have a lovely week, and in the meantime,
Speaker 2: please now more than ever, be excellent to each other.