1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: Hey, that folks did is Wednesday, February eighteenth, and a 2 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: highly anticipated and major update in the gu three case. 3 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: A major update that turned out to be a major setback. Plus, 4 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 1: the sheriff out in Arizona did a new round of 5 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: media interviews yesterday and gave several interesting and even confusing updates. 6 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Bros. Major 7 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: setback in that this was a highly anticipated result. We 8 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: were waiting on DNA from the gloves. 9 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 2: We got that back, yes, and it did not match 10 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 2: that DNA did not match any known suspect in this 11 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 2: federal or I guess this national database of folks who 12 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 2: have been processed through our judicial system. So they did 13 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 2: not lead to any conclusive suspect. 14 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: And again this is in robes as far as leads go, 15 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: as major leads go, have been a whole lot, at 16 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: least they've shared with us. But it doesn't seem like 17 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: they have a whole lot. When you sit and talk 18 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: to the sheriff, he doesn't seem confident and whatnot. This 19 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: was a big deal because what the gloves they said, 20 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: match the gloves that the suspect has on in that 21 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 1: ring camera. So this could be the suspect's gloves and wow, 22 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: there's DNA in those gloves. It was just there were 23 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: high hopes that this could lead to something. 24 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 2: Correct, There were expectations that perhaps this could be the 25 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 2: smoking gun, or this could be the thing that leads 26 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 2: us directly to Nancy Guthrie or at least find the 27 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 2: person who took her. The other thing that was a 28 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 2: little confusing to me. Well, we'll get into a lot 29 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 2: of the confusion. But the DNA that was found in 30 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 2: the gloves is not the same DNA that was found 31 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 2: inside the Guthrie home. 32 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: Correct, Yeah, so there's another set of DNA apparently that 33 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: was found inside the house, and there is where some 34 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: confusion lies. That we'll get into a couple of updates 35 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: from the share or we'll get into as well. This 36 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: idea of a proof of life that the family has 37 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: been asking for, Well, he did bring that up in 38 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: relation to also a proof of death. We'll explain that. 39 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: Also he talked about this being Yes, this phrase came 40 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: up cold case. We'll explain what he was saying there. 41 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: And yes, robes they might have to turn to, not 42 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: necessarily law enforcement, but maybe commercial companies to piece this together. Now, 43 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: with this DNA with genealogy, gets your help in explaining 44 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: that when we get into that. But let's go back 45 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: to this gloves reminding folks, this was a set of 46 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: gloves that were filed two miles away from the house 47 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: in ropes. These stood out and it was kind of 48 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: incredible to hear that they were finding so many sets 49 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: of gloves as they were canvassing great the area. 50 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 2: More than a dozen I believe, maybe the number fourteen 51 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 2: I read that. That's how many pairs of gloves were 52 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 2: strewn about on the radius around Guthrie's house. Most of them, 53 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:02,679 Speaker 2: they acknowledged, were from who were wearing gloves looking for evidence. 54 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 2: Hard to imagine that searchers, trained investigators would just throw 55 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 2: their gloves on the ground in this beautiful pristine land 56 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 2: that we have. But apparently they're litterers too. So anyway, 57 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 2: there were gloves everywhere, but there was one pair that 58 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 2: they said match within two miles of Nancy Guthrie's home. 59 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 2: That matched appeared to match, I believe, was the phrase 60 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 2: they used. The gloves that were seen on the suspect 61 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 2: on Nancy Guthrie's front porch. 62 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: That was a big deal of all the gloves. You 63 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: found these stood out to you all that was relevant. 64 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: But Rhoades they find the gloves and then we get 65 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: into some kind of I don't even know how to 66 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: explain it that well. But the DNA needed to be tested. 67 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: What lab is it tested at? It got sent to Florida, 68 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: but then they couldn't give some result because it had 69 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: to come. 70 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 2: What was this It was some sort of law, I 71 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 2: believe that is a state law that there had to 72 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 2: be an Arizona lab had to act process the DNA 73 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 2: and so when And the question was why would the 74 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 2: Sheriff's department not know that? So why would they send 75 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 2: it all the way to this lab in Florida and 76 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 2: then only to have the Florida lab say we can't 77 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 2: give you the results. Have to go then retest the 78 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,799 Speaker 2: DNA in an Arizona lab to then get the results 79 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 2: we got yesterday, which were a big disappointment. 80 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,359 Speaker 1: And yeah, he in some of his interviews tried to 81 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 1: explain why he had to do the process that way. Fine, 82 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: but ultimately nothing matched. And again the CODIS system, as 83 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 1: was the acronym here combined DNA index system. You hear 84 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: it all the time, certainly if you watch true crime, 85 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: or if you just watch a lot of fictional TV 86 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: and crime dramas, they use cotis cotis codis. You watch 87 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 1: any trials, you'll hear COTIS a lot of times. But 88 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: it's the combined DNA index system is what it stands for. 89 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: And it's just a database and national database, as you said, 90 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 1: rogues of DNA profiles of convicted folks. So the DNA, 91 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: they have it, but they don't match it to anybody, 92 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: But they have somebody's DNA. 93 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 2: On a pair of gloves that may or may not 94 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 2: be connected to the Guthrie kidnap. 95 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: And there's the thing we had to remember that robes. 96 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: These gloves might have nothing to do with this. 97 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 2: Somebody could have gotten hot while driving, or they fell 98 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 2: out of their pockets when they were cold at night 99 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 2: walking around the desert. I don't know. It could have 100 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 2: been a lot of different reasons why there were gloves there. 101 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 2: The bigger issue, I would think doesn't take an investigator 102 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 2: to realize this, that that DNA inside the house that 103 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 2: doesn't match Nancy Guthrie or any of her family members 104 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 2: or close friends. That DNA would seemingly be a lot 105 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 2: more important and potentially much more likely to actually be 106 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 2: from the suspect. 107 00:05:55,960 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: Well, it is more important. And the sheriff doing these 108 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 1: interviews and explaining or the disappointment of the DNA and 109 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 1: the gloves not matching anything, he almost wrote qualified those 110 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 1: gloves now, he said, I'm much more concerned about what's 111 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 1: in the house now I would be about some gloves 112 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: two miles away. I'm fine, and we get that. But 113 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 1: he was a little more dismissive of the gloves after 114 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: they didn't have a hit. 115 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 2: But makes sense. 116 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: He was saying, the DNA in the house is critical. 117 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: And this is where some confusion came in. I turned 118 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 1: to you even listening to his interviews and saying, did 119 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: they test the DNA? Did they tell us that they 120 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: put that through codis, Because sure enough, in one of 121 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 1: the interviews he did with someone, will you hear him 122 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: clearly say that the DNA in the house, we may 123 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: need to put that through codis. Later say what he 124 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: clearly says, the DNA in the house has not been 125 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: put into this DNA database to see if they get 126 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: a match. But Robes then we turned to another interview. 127 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 2: He did, and he said that it had been tested 128 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 2: and that it was an unknown person. 129 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: Correct, no match from the DNA in the house either, 130 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: But again he said something different to another reporter, so 131 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: I'm sure they'll clear that up. Again. He has a 132 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: lie coming at him, and maybe he got an update 133 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: in between interviews, who knows, but he gave two different 134 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: answers to them. 135 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 2: My thought was that maybe he just misunderstood or he 136 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 2: misspoke in terms of how he characterized the DNA from 137 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 2: the house, because you and I both looked at each 138 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 2: other and said, it wouldn't make any sense that investigators 139 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 2: would have the DNA from the gloves tested but not 140 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 2: yet the DNA in the house tested, which they had 141 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 2: before they even knew of the gloves. So they've had 142 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 2: this DNA from the home almost from day one, it seems, 143 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 2: they said, within the first few days at least of 144 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 2: her disappearance, they said they had this DNA that was 145 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 2: not Nancy Guthries inside the home. So we have known 146 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 2: about this DNA for much longer than anything in the gloves, 147 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 2: So it would make zero sense that they hadn't tested 148 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 2: that yet or hadn't processed that yet. 149 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: So yes, to your point, it may may have just 150 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: bespoke a little bit in that moment. But the DNA 151 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: at this point has led to nothing. We will mention 152 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: as well. Robes and a couple of reporters asked. And 153 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: the idea of this being a cold case, they don't 154 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: seem too in his interviews. Have a major lead right 155 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: now that they're following that video is key and they're 156 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: analyzing and whatnot. But they it hasn't sent them in 157 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: a particular direction. But the word, the phrase cold case, 158 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: you don't want to hear, he explained, at least rogues. 159 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: And it makes sense. This case is not coal. It's 160 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: only cold if you don't have a lead to follow, 161 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: and they have literally thousands of leads to follow, they 162 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: just don't have the one. 163 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:51,079 Speaker 2: Yes, And in spite of the fact that they had, 164 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 2: I believe they said, was it thirty, forty, fifty thousand, 165 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 2: like crazy numbers of leads coming in. You still hear 166 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 2: him on these rounds he made throughout the day yesterday, 167 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 2: with all of these reporters, still asking for the public's help, 168 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 2: still saying, Hey, even if you think it's nothing, even 169 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 2: if you think I don't want to bother them, even 170 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 2: if you think, oh, they already have too many tips, 171 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 2: I don't want to flood their tip line. Call us anyway, 172 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 2: that's our job. 173 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: That was funny, you're bringing up making me at least 174 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: remember he used a bizarre almost reference. He said, Yeah, 175 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: this person might call and that's a Tier one lead, 176 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: and then there's somebody else who might have just had 177 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: a dream last night about aliens abducting Nancy Guthrie. That's 178 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: a level four lead. But if I tell you not 179 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,319 Speaker 1: to call, then somebody else who has a very important 180 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 1: lead might call. He used a weird reference, but he 181 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: was saying, we got we need everybody to call in 182 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: and keep calling in. But Rose, that's the suggest that 183 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: they seem to not have a whole lot in this case. 184 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: But we heard a few other updates from him that 185 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: were they kind of make your ears perk up. Stay here, 186 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: we'll tell you what he said about clearing the family 187 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: and why he is still still convinced this was a kidnapping. 188 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: And we continue here on this Wednesday morning here on 189 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: Amy and TJ. Ropes. It's in some of the interviews 190 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: we did yesterday and listening to the shaff here talking 191 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: about the GOV three case. I don't know. I try 192 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: not to interpret body language in the words being used sometimes, 193 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: but he almost lacked a confidence to a certain degree 194 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:43,439 Speaker 1: when asked very specifically about it being an abduction, very 195 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: specifically about being a kidnapping. Do you still stand by 196 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 1: and he used some words sometimes, Well I do. That's 197 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: what I still believe. I don't know what's going on here, 198 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,319 Speaker 1: but he's giving us and you and I have had 199 00:10:56,360 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: to make this decision on our podcast doing non update updates, 200 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: like he sits down for all these interviews for updates 201 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: and you don't get really updates. But this was a 202 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: it was weird to listen to him. Doesn't he didn't 203 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: sound that sure. 204 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 2: I don't think he's ever sounded sure. 205 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: Okay, well, there you go. 206 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 2: From the beginning, I feel like that's been a complaint 207 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 2: you don't like. It's not as if he isn't Let 208 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 2: me put this the right way. No one is saying 209 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 2: he isn't competent. But it's just that he makes it 210 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 2: very clear that he is just as baffled as the 211 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 2: rest of us. 212 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: Damn. There it is, and I don't want that from 213 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,719 Speaker 1: my share. Maybe that's what it is. Okay, that's a 214 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:45,439 Speaker 1: good there you go. That's what I was looking for. 215 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 2: You're like dang. If he's that unsure, then wow, what 216 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 2: I'm feeling is absolutely fair. Like you just want to 217 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 2: think that they're at least going down the right path, 218 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 2: and you're not sure that's the case when you're listening 219 00:11:59,120 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 2: to him. 220 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: You know what, hot pursuit, that's what you want. They 221 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: don't feel like they're in hot pursuit of this lady. 222 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: And it's very important. I forgot to put this in 223 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: our note there roads, but this is a very important 224 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: note because of TMZ. He did address at least the 225 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 1: idea of what we're hearing about TMZ getting all these 226 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: notes from someone who says they know who the kidnapper 227 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: or kidnappers are, said be prepared to go international, and 228 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: said they saw something south of the border. Yes, well, 229 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 1: he addressed this idea. He said, they have no reason 230 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: to believe they're still doing in what they're doing in 231 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: their search area. Said authorities are aware of those notes, 232 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: but he suggested that not actively pursuing anything south of 233 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: the border. 234 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 2: Yes, he didn't seem like Mexico was on the table. 235 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 2: It didn't seem as though there was any active investigation 236 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 2: into the credibility of whether or not Nancy Guthrie could 237 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 2: be with an abductor or abductors in Mexico. He didn't 238 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 2: acknowledge that at all. And you would think unless they're 239 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 2: protecting the investigation in some way, which could always be 240 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:09,079 Speaker 2: the case, but he absolutely, by what he said, did 241 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 2: completely seem to dismiss that concept. 242 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: Do you make of that? What do you if that 243 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: is the case, what do you then? That means they 244 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: are lending not a whole lot of credibility to these 245 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: notes being sent to TMZ. 246 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm curious why just from the reporters that 247 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 2: that we watched and we saw, it didn't seem like 248 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 2: they got specific about some of those things, like the 249 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 2: questions that I wanted to ask him. I didn't hear 250 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 2: being asked by reporters specifically about the TMZ and the 251 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 2: credibility and how seriously they're taking it and have they 252 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 2: actually been pursuing what this person who has written four 253 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:44,319 Speaker 2: emails now has claimed. 254 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: Okay, maybe we missed, maybe we didn't watch all the 255 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: interviews and maybe haven't read every single article, but that's 256 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: got to that's a significant Are we talking to legitimate 257 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: players or not? That's a big deal. It seems like 258 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: that's the biggest lead. 259 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 2: Yes, it's the only thing that we know about at 260 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:10,959 Speaker 2: least that has seemed to offer a direction for the investigation. 261 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 2: And whether or not this person is just full of 262 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 2: it or not would seem to be very important that 263 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 2: you could decide pretty quickly. I saw someone online asking, 264 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 2: with it being twenty twenty six and all, how is 265 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 2: it that we aren't able to trace these people sending 266 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 2: these emails? How to if we're even getting bitcoin addresses 267 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 2: and we know how to give them money, but we 268 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 2: don't know who they are. That is shocking to a 269 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 2: lot of folks with the technology we have, that we 270 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 2: are now like two weeks into it, we don't know 271 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 2: who is sending emails repeatedly. Yes, not even like letters 272 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 2: with strange postmarks. No, these are emails that have IP addresses, 273 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 2: So it's confusing. 274 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: That is confusing to me. They can track down anybody anywhere. 275 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: It seems. Yes, a very good point, Robes, but if 276 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: this is so hard, that has got to be your 277 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: biggest lead unless you have a reason for knowing it's not. 278 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: You have somebody telling you they know who the kidnapper is. 279 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: I saw them, I saw her, and that's not the 280 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: biggest lead you have, he did, wouldn't you even come out? 281 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: And no, no, I'm not going to speculate on that. But 282 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like they are chasing that down publicly. 283 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 2: Right or they don't want us to know they are. 284 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 2: I mean, I always hold that to be possible as well. 285 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 2: You never know. I thought it was really interesting when 286 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 2: he was asked and I saw a very detailed, a 287 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 2: very detailed report about how they cleared the Guthries. I 288 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 2: thought this was interesting what was going on behind the 289 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 2: scenes that we didn't know as all of this speculation 290 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 2: was going on about whether or not the brother in 291 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 2: law and the sister who last saw Nancy Guthrie had 292 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 2: anything to do with her disappearance. He talked about how 293 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 2: all of the family members and their spouses had their 294 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 2: home searched, had their view searched, had their DNA extracted, 295 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 2: they went through interrogations. He said, these family members were 296 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 2: treated as suspects basically, and they now have been completely 297 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 2: cleared and are deemed victims. But he was like, just 298 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 2: kind of going through the process of getting cleared. It's 299 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 2: not an easy or a comfortable situation, especially when speculation 300 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 2: is swirling around you. So I just thought that was 301 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 2: interesting people for people to take a step back and 302 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 2: think about. While you're grieving the loss of your mother 303 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 2: or not knowing where she is and fearing the worst, 304 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 2: you now are also going through a fairly rigulous, rigorous 305 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 2: process where you have to be cleared from actually being 306 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 2: considered a suspect. 307 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: And they did that immediately, and we all know that, 308 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: and they did. I say, we know that. Obviously, that's 309 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: detective work. One oh one. They were all treated as suspects. 310 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: I all was great that he sorry for him to 311 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: come out and say so definitively. I think he used 312 00:16:57,600 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: the phrase one hundred percent. 313 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 2: Yes, he did a hundred. 314 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:04,199 Speaker 1: Percent cleared, and I did appreciate that. Hey, this is 315 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: the timing of he didn't have to do this. He 316 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: chose to put that statement out to say, get off 317 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: the backs of the family. Did we ever hear from 318 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 1: Ashley Banfield? Did you say anything I regard this? I 319 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 1: did not. 320 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 2: I did not in any major way. 321 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 1: We can okay, we can do that at another time. 322 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: The last thing here the genealogy robes what other case 323 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 1: or we were watching something or but they're able to 324 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: now the twenty three and me type folks can take DNA. Actually, 325 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 1: everybody's familiar with this. Yes, at this point, you put 326 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: your DNA in there, and all from of a sudden 327 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,880 Speaker 1: you start finding relatives with DNA matches. That's what they're 328 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 1: trying to possibly do. Now. 329 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I got a new second cousin just yesterday in 330 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 2: an email alert. So look this. Yes we all anyone 331 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 2: who has gone on these No I didn't see that. No, 332 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 2: but yes, so you if they even if the person 333 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 2: the suspect didn't join twenty three and Me or whatever 334 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 2: genealogy website you for, one of his relatives likely has. 335 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 2: So you're talking, it could be anything from a you know, 336 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 2: a random cousin to a direct descendant to a sibling. 337 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 2: But they can find someone who is related to this 338 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 2: DNA and literally go through a family tree and figure 339 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 2: out who the suspect, or at least narrow it down 340 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 2: quite significantly as to who this possibly could be. And 341 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 2: there have been plenty of cases. We were just talking, 342 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 2: I believe, yesterday about a true crime story we were watching. 343 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 2: This is happening more and more and more folks go 344 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 2: on to twenty three and meter and even if you didn't, 345 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 2: one of your relatives, did you ken and will be 346 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 2: likely found. 347 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 1: I've seen true crime episodes about this where they can 348 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,640 Speaker 1: narrow it down. Okay, the killer is one of these 349 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: five guys, and they just went and found those five 350 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: guys and starting narrowing it down, so it could be helpful. 351 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 1: We'll keep an eye again. No press briefings per usual 352 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: with this case, so we said you won't do another 353 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: press conference unless there's a major update. He decides to 354 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 1: do a round of interviews in which we got little 355 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: nuggets roads, but we haven't gotten the big break yet. 356 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 2: We have not, but we will continue, of course, to 357 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 2: follow this story closely. It's just shocking that we're now 358 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 2: in the middle of week three and still doesn't seem 359 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 2: like we're any closer than we were on February one. 360 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,120 Speaker 2: But my goodness. We can only hope that investigators get 361 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 2: that break they're looking for, and you can make sure 362 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 2: we will be on top of it for you in 363 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 2: the meantime. That were everybody, Thank you for listening. As always, 364 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 2: I'm Amy Robock alongside TJ. Holmes. We will talk to 365 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 2: you soon.