Speaker 1: Look, may oh, I see you my own look over
Speaker 1: there is that culture. Yes, lost culture loves culturists calling
Speaker 1: to the Mother Convention.
Speaker 2: The Mother Convention, Megan trainers on Kelly Clerks and officially
Speaker 2: the Mother Convention has begun. Wait, we can't start the
Speaker 2: next calling Megan Trainer mother. We were the first to
Speaker 2: call Megan. No, we were, you were, not me. Don't
Speaker 2: drag me into this.
Speaker 3: You're You're already done, been dragged, and that's what you
Speaker 3: need more than ever, dragging you, dragging you want to
Speaker 3: be dragged today.
Speaker 4: Not by you.
Speaker 2: No, I just think the public should drag.
Speaker 3: No. I don't want you inviting this because then I'm
Speaker 3: gonna have to hear about it later.
Speaker 2: No, what are you talking? No, I really do think
Speaker 2: you want the public to drag you. I want someone
Speaker 2: to put me in my place in a way that
Speaker 2: is like helpful, And I guess you are the only person. Honey.
Speaker 3: A therapist, Honey, my therapist. I see your therapist.
Speaker 2: I pay my therapist to validate me at every turn.
Speaker 2: And I go that article that's like, is there be
Speaker 2: making us more selfish?
Speaker 3: You know, for the very first time, a few weeks ago,
Speaker 3: my therapist said to me that maybe my behavior was
Speaker 3: a little indulgent, and I was like, honestly, thank you
Speaker 3: for saying that.
Speaker 2: Even that's a little too nice of a frame. I
Speaker 2: think it was just for anybody, Like was he trying
Speaker 2: to say, she excuse me? Oh my god.
Speaker 3: First of all, check yourself, I wreck you. It's really
Speaker 3: culture number ninety nine.
Speaker 2: Check yourself before I wreck you. And I'm only get
Speaker 2: dragged I can do that. My gender bias is only
Speaker 2: because my therapist is male.
Speaker 3: Your gender bias is showing like a penis and a
Speaker 3: g rated film. Get it out of here, Get it
Speaker 3: out of here.
Speaker 2: Your gender bias is showing like your FYP is showing
Speaker 2: on your TikTok. Not for other people, mother, don't show
Speaker 2: it to others.
Speaker 3: No, she told me that my behavior because in the
Speaker 3: hashtag wake up my breakup, I was doing things that
Speaker 3: like were sort of like self carry And then at
Speaker 3: one point she said, is this crossing over into a
Speaker 3: little indulgent? But I did go see a psychic, yes,
Speaker 3: which I've not necessarily been honest about on the podcast
Speaker 3: until now. But I did go see a psychic at
Speaker 3: a time when I was doing not well, and I
Speaker 3: saw more than one. And then my therapist, I think
Speaker 3: from a place of concern because she told me that
Speaker 3: she's seen a lot of people give a lot of
Speaker 3: money to psychics when they feel desperate because they're so
Speaker 3: good at what they do. And she said, not only
Speaker 3: should you not be giving this person money, but is
Speaker 3: this behave You're a little indulgent. And I was like, interesting,
Speaker 3: now that I feel sufficiently dragged, I'm going to stop
Speaker 3: doing this that financial and personal reasons, And yeah, I
Speaker 3: think that at that point, I was like, I'm going
Speaker 3: to stop seeing this particular psychic.
Speaker 2: And you went to the same one as me. I
Speaker 2: went to the same one as you, and we had
Speaker 2: vastly different experiences.
Speaker 3: Yes, I basically, and I don't know if this will
Speaker 3: shock the readers, but was immediately susceptible to everything this
Speaker 3: psychic was saying. And Boem was more like, I don't
Speaker 3: know about Queen.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know about Queen, but she honestly, like
Speaker 2: I think, she sat me down and was like this
Speaker 2: is what literally happened. She sits down with Matt for
Speaker 2: forty five minutes. Patrick Rodgers and I are standing outside.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like, okay, well, first she do you
Speaker 2: want them in the room? And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: they can be here, and she went to the other
Speaker 2: side of the room.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you could hear everything. Sure, No, you could
Speaker 3: hear everything.
Speaker 2: We weren't really making sound though, we weren't making noise.
Speaker 3: No, but this is so funny. Well, we go to
Speaker 3: the psychic because we're kind of just having like a
Speaker 3: girl's day. Yeah, and so then you guys are sitting
Speaker 3: there and this psychic goes making a peep. No, you
Speaker 3: were fine, but it was funny because the psychic goes,
Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you the truth. I'm not going
Speaker 3: to tell you what you want to hear. I'm like okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: And she's like, are you sure you want them there?
Speaker 3: And I was like, yes, they can be here.
Speaker 2: And she goes, your home is in La. No, she
Speaker 2: doesn't even ask you. LA doesn't even come to her.
Speaker 2: I think you volunteer that information. You're like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: visiting from LA. And she goes, LA's your home. LA
Speaker 2: is your home? Ling are gonna happen for you?
Speaker 3: I look over at my two biggest champions for moving
Speaker 3: back to New York, which are Bowen Yang and Patrick Rodgers,
Speaker 3: and they both have these sour pusses on. I'm like,
Speaker 3: we hate her, and we're like, she goes, she goes.
Speaker 2: You do need to leave that. I'm picking up your energy.
Speaker 2: You guys have to leave. This was the dead of February,
Speaker 2: I want to say, freezing cold in New York. We
Speaker 2: were like, okay, I guess. And so then Patrick and
Speaker 2: I were staying outside for forty five minutes. We were like, Wow,
Speaker 2: I guess Matt is really connecting with this with this person.
Speaker 3: Yeah, lo and behold it will shock no one to hear.
Speaker 3: I'm in there crying because this girl was absolutely nailing
Speaker 3: it and slaying it. She's killing it. She's saying things
Speaker 3: that no one else could know. It was my Tyler
Speaker 3: Henry Hollywood medium moment.
Speaker 2: She okay, is this fair of me to say that
Speaker 2: she was slaying and killing within a margin of believability.
Speaker 3: She was doing that thing where she was saying initials
Speaker 3: of names of people and saying what their connection to
Speaker 3: me relevantly was. And then she was going in and
Speaker 3: saying like emotional things that only I had thought or
Speaker 3: only I had heard. And then I was like, oh
Speaker 3: my god. And then of course she goes to you
Speaker 3: need to come back for life coaching because you we
Speaker 3: need to work together. Yeah, she goes, we need to
Speaker 3: work together. You need cleansing. You need it really bad.
Speaker 3: She points to me and she said, your love life
Speaker 3: is a mess. And she's like, everything else is good,
Speaker 3: but with love you need cleansing. And when someone looks
Speaker 3: you dead in the eyes and says you need cleansing
Speaker 3: and it's an emergency, terrifying. That is also how they
Speaker 3: get your money to scare you. It's very only I
Speaker 3: can help, only I can, which is a dangerous sentence.
Speaker 2: Readers. Can we just level set? It is just past
Speaker 2: nine in the morning. We got up at eight in
Speaker 2: the morning. We're in Orlando, Florida.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm looking at the Magic Kingdom right now as
Speaker 3: we say all this, looking at it.
Speaker 2: We spent a gorgeous day in the parks. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: that's where we're coming from. We're just we're sort of
Speaker 2: broken down at Disney, broken down, but we're getting back up.
Speaker 2: We're going to crust another hill today. It's just going
Speaker 2: to be our pleasure centers are going to explode by
Speaker 2: the end of this.
Speaker 3: But I think that yesterday we sort of went hard
Speaker 3: and did so many of the major rides and attractions
Speaker 3: we'll get into. And that's why I think today we're
Speaker 3: able to drop in and be so raw.
Speaker 2: That's so true. Okay. So basically you had that amazing
Speaker 2: experience with her. I walk in opposite, I sit down
Speaker 2: with her, and she goes, yeah, you're fine. Yeah, everything's good. Ah,
Speaker 2: your third eye, your indigo chakra is a little your
Speaker 2: third eye is a little clouded. You can pay me
Speaker 2: this crazy amount of money to get it closed. And
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, why not. Yeah, here's my card,
Speaker 2: text me tomorrow at three pm. It'll take me twenty
Speaker 2: four and I was like okay. And then the next
Speaker 2: day I call her at three she'd just gotten off
Speaker 2: the phone with you. Yes she did, and she was like,
Speaker 2: it took me a long time. It took me a
Speaker 2: long time to clear it. But it's cleared. And I said,
Speaker 2: thank you so much. She said you should be able
Speaker 2: to feel something in the next twenty four hours. I
Speaker 2: was like, okay, sure, and then she's like, you can
Speaker 2: keep working with me if you want. Yeah, And I
Speaker 2: was like I think I'm okay. She was That's where
Speaker 2: she was a business. She had her grift and no problem.
Speaker 2: That's and I'd feel about even calling it that, but
Speaker 2: I know, I think that's probably true. I think someone
Speaker 2: like that is excellent at performing in a way that
Speaker 2: makes me jealous. I go, I wish I had that.
Speaker 2: I cannot you would. I cannot convince someone of that,
Speaker 2: and I cannot like close like that the way she did.
Speaker 2: And I'm impressed. I'm impressed. Here's what I say.
Speaker 3: So immediately I go to my real my therapist, my
Speaker 3: actualational she, and I said to her, I was like,
Speaker 3: I have to tell you, this is embarrassing, but I've
Speaker 3: seen this person more than once, like because I'm not
Speaker 3: doing well and I'm sort of desperate, and what I
Speaker 3: thought was just gonna be a fun thing ended up
Speaker 3: being like this thing that I'm now like embarrassed to say.
Speaker 3: I'm a little bit like hooked on because it's that
Speaker 3: thing of like you're wanting more information and I'm someone
Speaker 3: who always wants more information in life, but like that
Speaker 3: doesn't necessarily like come easily, and it also is not
Speaker 3: helpful for you. So I was in this place of
Speaker 3: like desperately grasping at like straws emotionally, So like I
Speaker 3: say to my therapist, I'm like, she's got me, I
Speaker 3: know it, Like, but I know I have to stop
Speaker 3: going to her because it's like not real information. It's
Speaker 3: this like OOHI guy like psychic stuff and I want
Speaker 3: to know, like and I was like, you can't even
Speaker 3: answer this question for me, really, but like is this real?
Speaker 2: Do people have this?
Speaker 3: And my therapist said, yes, people do have a heightened sense.
Speaker 3: I mean, I believe this to be true. In my
Speaker 3: dealings with more than one client, they've described this feeling
Speaker 3: of expressing something to a psychic and that what they
Speaker 3: say is like uncannily accurate and like really really really stuff.
Speaker 2: That.
Speaker 3: Of course this feels cliche now because we've all seen
Speaker 3: the TV shows no one could have known, but I
Speaker 3: will also say these people are also business people and
Speaker 3: their intuition is their skill, and so that's what they
Speaker 3: use to manipulate people. Like, yes, what they do is real,
Speaker 3: but she said, what you have to remember is a
Speaker 3: psychic or a medium can maybe into it what is happening,
Speaker 3: or like make something more clear for you, or like
Speaker 3: explain something that might be going on, but they cannot
Speaker 3: make things happen. So when they start telling you like, oh,
Speaker 3: I need to work on you, or oh I need
Speaker 3: to work on this person. That's where what they're doing.
Speaker 2: Is that's how they get you to make something happen
Speaker 2: for them, Yes, and give them money. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean literally that makes a lot of sense. I
Speaker 2: love that way of putting it. Yeah, it's not bogus, no, no,
Speaker 2: it's also not entirely above board. Their intuition is the
Speaker 2: thing that I consider myself not having the best intuition.
Speaker 2: You have great intuition, but I feel like for that person,
Speaker 2: let's say, for the person that we saw together, like
Speaker 2: she get into it that like I was like skeptical, skeptical,
Speaker 2: and that intuition is the thing that like helps their
Speaker 2: business sense, which again, like I know sounds were done
Speaker 2: in and obvious, but it's like it's interesting how like
Speaker 2: one thing it feeds into the other, which it's it's
Speaker 2: it's it's an oraborous kind of thing. Yeah, I just
Speaker 2: think you. I think that it's true.
Speaker 3: You do present more like hmm, yeah, you present moral scorpio,
Speaker 3: and I definitely present more pisces. I think I present
Speaker 3: it as a very vulnerable and you were presenting as
Speaker 3: like now what's this, like why did this just take
Speaker 3: forty five minutes with my best friend, right.
Speaker 2: And I never said that. I didn't even push back
Speaker 2: in the room when she was like you're fine, I
Speaker 2: was like, oh really, And I wasn't even like that
Speaker 2: you were like that's news to me. No, no, no,
Speaker 2: I was like, I was like really because and I
Speaker 2: would say I was also like in a weird place
Speaker 2: at that time, and I was like, there are things
Speaker 2: that I would love to whatever, but for her to
Speaker 2: look you in the eye and say you need cleansing,
Speaker 2: that that does not sit right with me. Yeah, because
Speaker 2: I look at my friend and I go, he's perfect.
Speaker 3: Well, girl, I definitely needed I needed something at the time,
Speaker 3: it just probably wasn't that. And now looking I'm like, well,
Speaker 3: it's just funny because like the last session I ever
Speaker 3: had with with this person in person, I went three times,
Speaker 3: I think okay, and they read the tarot cards and everything,
Speaker 3: and they're like, oh, I wish I could say it
Speaker 3: was getting better, but it's not.
Speaker 2: And I was just like, oh no.
Speaker 3: And then she was telling me more things and I
Speaker 3: was just like, you know what, I'm realizing right now,
Speaker 3: I actually have to stop doing this.
Speaker 2: I was like, this is no longer said that to her. Yes.
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't think this is good for
Speaker 3: me anymore. And she was like, well, you know what,
Speaker 3: every time I look at your cards, I know you're
Speaker 3: gonna be fine. And she was like, so you don't
Speaker 3: have to keep coming to me and you don't have
Speaker 3: to give me any more money, because that's interesting. She
Speaker 3: actually said that, she was like, every time I look
Speaker 3: at your cards, everything is fine. It's when I look
Speaker 3: deeper that things are. It's so great other people. And
Speaker 3: I was just like all right, well, and then she
Speaker 3: started doing the thing where she was asking for like
Speaker 3: personal items and stuff like that, and I was like,
Speaker 3: you know what, I'm not going to go there.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to do this. And it was like
Speaker 2: over at that point.
Speaker 3: But she did say to me at one point she
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, like I'm looking at your cards now
Speaker 3: and things could go a whole different way. And I
Speaker 3: was just like, yeah, but the first time I came
Speaker 3: in here, you said I needed to keep working with
Speaker 3: you because there was only one path forward. And now
Speaker 3: you're saying you're looking at the cards and like, hmm,
Speaker 3: actually I could be fine.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 3: It was just it was just like, oh, it was
Speaker 3: that moment where you realize you got got And of
Speaker 3: course everyone I talked to about this is like, well,
Speaker 3: when you scheduled the appointment, she probably looked you up.
Speaker 2: But we did a walk in. We did a walk in,
Speaker 2: yeah exactly, So that part was like spooky yea, yeah,
Speaker 2: we did a walk in and it was under someone
Speaker 2: else's name. Yeah, no, it was a walk in.
Speaker 3: It was a walk in period, like there was. She
Speaker 3: did not know who was coming in. And then Patrick
Speaker 3: Rogers's house did not get a reading done because he
Speaker 3: was like freaked out by it, I think. And the
Speaker 3: second time I came back, this psychic said to me,
Speaker 3: I knew your third friend wasn't going to get a reading.
Speaker 2: I knew it.
Speaker 3: I knew it right, And she was like, what's the
Speaker 3: deal with him? And I was like, we're not going there, No,
Speaker 3: we're not going there. I was like, I don't want
Speaker 3: you to tell me any thing about like it was
Speaker 3: not and also none, nothing that she was saying was
Speaker 3: like ultimately real.
Speaker 2: Right, the things that she did to me, she my
Speaker 2: intuition stayed the same. She cleaned up my chakras. I
Speaker 2: might have even gotten worse. Yeah, I think I think
Speaker 2: I ended up having like a mental breakdown like the
Speaker 2: next week, Like, I don't think she was necessarily helpful.
Speaker 2: She was like, you're a good girl. I'm like really,
Speaker 2: and then no, it was truly hurtling towards rock bottom anyway, damn,
Speaker 2: but it was. It was an experience, and it was
Speaker 2: I will say, a moment of me going I'm concerned
Speaker 2: for my friend and you and you going let me
Speaker 2: and I said okay, and I and I and I say,
Speaker 2: this is you and I as friends giving each other
Speaker 2: the space to figure it out for ourselves.
Speaker 3: It's really giving Scully and Molder and I do think
Speaker 3: that we could do an X Files.
Speaker 2: I think that would be a idea for us.
Speaker 3: A charged emotional sexual, charged emotional sexual X Files that's
Speaker 3: homosexual like you've never seen.
Speaker 2: Homosexual like you've never seen. It should be it should
Speaker 2: be reboot X Files homosexual like you've never seen.
Speaker 3: If you guys, if readers, Katie's publicists, finalists out there,
Speaker 3: could all sort of make some mock ups for posters
Speaker 3: for X Files starring Bowen Yang and Matt Rodgers for
Speaker 3: the upcoming for the upcoming X Files homosexual like You've never.
Speaker 2: Seen for Hulu because it'll be a Fox show.
Speaker 3: By the way, do you remember when I said there's
Speaker 3: constantly X Files reboots and you were like no, and
Speaker 3: then they announced a new one they did.
Speaker 2: Yes, I guess I'm just not X Files is a
Speaker 2: huge blind spot for me.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: I tried at one point, I did. I tried.
Speaker 3: It's not really my genre, as y' all know, but
Speaker 3: I liked the intrigue of it, like I liked the
Speaker 3: idea of that central relationship. But I want to believe
Speaker 3: I don't believe I was interested in the sexual tension
Speaker 3: between them and I. Actually, I'll say it right here now,
Speaker 3: and you tell me if you agree. Find David duchovny
Speaker 3: as hell.
Speaker 2: I think this is widely agreed upon notion. Yeah, of course.
Speaker 3: And Gilian honey, honey, they had it going on. They
Speaker 3: had it going on at all ages. Timeless Beauties, Timeless.
Speaker 3: Should we talk a little bit about the way our
Speaker 3: vacation has been slaying?
Speaker 2: The way vacation has been slaying is I can't describe it.
Speaker 2: It's a genuinely new experience, and it's an experience that
Speaker 2: was amplified by substances one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: We sort of just you know, had our little mushroom
Speaker 3: game on, and we sort of walked into the parks
Speaker 3: and began to slagh. And it's interesting actually because I'm
Speaker 3: looking out at the window, which is where we're at
Speaker 3: the Disney Contemporary Resort, and I'm looking out at the
Speaker 3: window and I'm literally seeing the construction on what was
Speaker 3: Splash Mountain. They're turning in into, of course, Princess Tati's
Speaker 3: Bayou dip Michael Hartney, that's a Michael Hartney joke. It's
Speaker 3: Princess Tiana, Princess Tina by you Adventure, but literally Michael
Speaker 3: Hartney in twenty twenty tweeted, but when they announced Splash
Speaker 3: Mountain was closing, he said, I can't wait for it
Speaker 3: to be called Princess Tatis. You did, and then it
Speaker 3: pretty much was basically called Princess Tatis. To just know
Speaker 3: that when they do open this ride, it is for
Speaker 3: forever henceforth known as Princess Tatis.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Michael Hardy.
Speaker 3: I think starring in Jennifer Lewis.
Speaker 2: I asked her.
Speaker 3: I was like, Mama, are you going to be in
Speaker 3: the ride? And she was like, and I don't know
Speaker 3: what if she knew what the fuck I was talking about.
Speaker 3: She was like, oh, yeah, yes, of course, and I
Speaker 3: was like, I don't think. I was like, this is
Speaker 3: probably recorded eight years ago, knowing the corporation. I mean,
Speaker 3: if if she's not involved, it's a huge flop.
Speaker 2: I hope Prince Navin is all over that thing.
Speaker 3: I hope Prince Levine sort of you know Hoo's pinos Pin.
Speaker 2: I always wanted him show in that movie.
Speaker 3: We need more penis and g rated films. Thank you,
Speaker 3: legalize it. Legalize it's as you were the culture number
Speaker 3: forty nine. We need more penis and g rated films.
Speaker 3: Legalize it, not are I don't want to. It's you know,
Speaker 3: they still have all these codes about you know, r
Speaker 3: rated films there g I think we start from the bottom,
Speaker 3: work our way out.
Speaker 2: What's so bad about the male body? Can I ask
Speaker 2: that question?
Speaker 3: I can't think of a single thing that's so bad
Speaker 3: about the malady that we can't see it in the
Speaker 3: Princess and the Frog.
Speaker 2: Oh sure, sometimes there's like balls double so what grow up?
Speaker 2: Lick it?
Speaker 3: I use my Manscape products and this is not an ad,
Speaker 3: but we have done as them before. But here's the thing, Manscape,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna come out here right now and say this.
Speaker 3: One of the few products on Last Culture is this
Speaker 3: that we've been sent and tried and that I then
Speaker 3: kept ordering.
Speaker 2: Has stayed in your life.
Speaker 3: It stayed in the conversation in my bathroom. Let's just
Speaker 3: say that there's some.
Speaker 2: Other sponsors that we know I obviously cannot possibly name,
Speaker 2: shall remain name with, but have made my life, have
Speaker 2: inconvenience to me in huge ways. Oh yeah, and also
Speaker 2: other sponsors that are kind of fucked up in terms
Speaker 2: of their practices, but we no longer but we no
Speaker 2: longer sponsor them, but it's very valid. People are kind
Speaker 2: of asking us please stop doing that. We have not
Speaker 2: done ounce with them for a.
Speaker 3: While, and I've actually when I had a personal Twitter,
Speaker 3: I actually did come out against this sponsor and say
Speaker 3: say it. No, no, we can't say it, but like,
Speaker 3: let's just say we're careful about what we do sponsorships for.
Speaker 3: All right, Here's how the sponsorships works, Because sometimes I
Speaker 3: think people are like, why is this happening on Last Culture?
Speaker 3: Restas everything that we are saying with our voice, we
Speaker 3: were asked, do you want to do an ad for that?
Speaker 3: If it's not us If it's like Bethany Frankel doing
Speaker 3: an ad for the army, that's something that Bethany Frankel
Speaker 3: said she would do, and iheart's putting on Channel wide. Okay,
Speaker 3: that's how that works. If it's Bethany Frankel for the
Speaker 3: US Army, that is not something that me, Matt Rodger
Speaker 3: and you Bowen Yang said we want on Lost Cultureiss.
Speaker 3: Bethany Frankel for the US Army is an iHeart thing.
Speaker 2: Ultimately, our podcast is its own advertising platform for Bethany
Speaker 2: Frankel for the Army. Now we're saying we wanted to
Speaker 2: go on.
Speaker 3: So now whenever you hear Bethany Frankel for the US Army,
Speaker 3: we should just do an ad for Bethany Franco for
Speaker 3: the US Army just because.
Speaker 1: I gotta go.
Speaker 2: But I just let me let me tell you about
Speaker 2: the Army, Okay, all right.
Speaker 3: The Army is one of the most amazing things in
Speaker 3: American history, which is obviously the best country they have.
Speaker 3: The America created the Apprentice, which I started on. Whatever
Speaker 3: I gotta go, I gotta getta.
Speaker 2: So you into endlist.
Speaker 3: You just gotta go to your US US Patriots dot
Speaker 3: gov dot gov or also you know it's fake and
Speaker 3: there's so many fake, so many fake things on the
Speaker 3: internet lately. And I'm telling you right now it's like
Speaker 3: you go on TikTok. Everything is fake TikTok and shadow
Speaker 3: bad me. I have no idea what's happening in there,
Speaker 3: but I gotta go. I just go US Army, dot com,
Speaker 3: dot gov or whatever it is, you go Google. Okay,
Speaker 3: So if you can find my TikTok after the shadow,
Speaker 3: bam me. I'm doing a review on the branches of
Speaker 3: the US military.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm reviewing and reviewing Army, Yeah, Air Force, Space Force,
Speaker 2: Space Force, Marians, Marines. You know, we all dated, and
Speaker 2: we all dated. What will remain nameless? I gotta go.
Speaker 3: My daughters driving me fucking crazy, and so my husband.
Speaker 3: Still it's not over all right, Well, US dot Com
Speaker 3: whatever I said, so be all that you can be.
Speaker 2: I have to say that part. And now I have
Speaker 2: to say, what is this watch top Gun Maverick. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Top Gun Meverick, I got you. That was for the.
Speaker 4: She do no.
Speaker 3: But like I know, there have been US Army ads.
Speaker 2: Theres been a lot of US Army ads on the podcast.
Speaker 3: Somebody said one time like, why is there an army
Speaker 3: ad on law school?
Speaker 2: We don't know.
Speaker 3: We do not support the military industrial complex. Okay, I mean,
Speaker 3: can we come out and say that.
Speaker 2: We can say that, and iHeart is still gonna be
Speaker 2: like tough titty. We're still putting Bethany Frankle for the
Speaker 2: US Army. It's not that we don't have respect for
Speaker 2: our men in green, which is I believe the color
Speaker 2: they were, Yes, yeah, men in uniform. Yeah, let's just
Speaker 2: say that, you know, we do our best.
Speaker 3: We try to only give you ads for products that
Speaker 3: we what's it, Let's let's be positive. What's what's a
Speaker 3: good thing we've used. That's an ad we've done. Oh, Hawthorn,
Speaker 3: I love Hawthorne products. I used then the sunscreen.
Speaker 2: Yep, love Hawthorn.
Speaker 3: Remember when McDonald sent us the mcgrib Oh.
Speaker 2: My god, that was a special day. And that was
Speaker 2: right in the throes of lockdown. And I really appreciated
Speaker 2: McDonald's for doing that. Yeah, that was major.
Speaker 5: Gosh.
Speaker 2: There's so many. I mean, obviously Kraft Mac and Cheese.
Speaker 3: Oh, Kraft mac and Cheese. I love down in history.
Speaker 3: It's really gotten down in history. So anyway, corporations, we
Speaker 3: are at the Walt Disney World Resort. Like I said,
Speaker 3: we are staring at the Magic Kingdom. Highlights from yesterday.
Speaker 3: We literally got to do everything. What was your highlights?
Speaker 2: My highlights was I did multiple lines. I did Ratituy
Speaker 2: and I did Tron light cycle run, both of which
Speaker 2: I had done in other countries international. This is, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe underlining something about globalization that is good and I
Speaker 2: don't know, but the fact that they were the same experience. Yes,
Speaker 2: drag and drop Dragon, drap well in a way that
Speaker 2: was actually comforting. Really anybody that was comforting. So you
Speaker 2: feel like I feel like globalization is the way. Globalization
Speaker 2: is the way I think. I think every country should
Speaker 2: have everything the same.
Speaker 3: We should all get the same. Okay, this actually is
Speaker 3: real culture number ninety one. Mobalization is forward. We should
Speaker 3: all get the same. The Galaxy cosmic rewind.
Speaker 2: That was artful. That was artful cosmic rewind. I felt
Speaker 2: like I was going back to the dawn of time. Well,
Speaker 2: I have news for you, queen. You went back there.
Speaker 2: I went back there, and we got to write it twice.
Speaker 2: Both times we got I ran so far, I ran
Speaker 2: so far by fuck of seagulls, Fuck of Seagulls.
Speaker 3: So basically, when you go on this ride, Guardians of
Speaker 3: the Galaxy Cosmic Rewinded is an a massive, massive roller
Speaker 3: coaster that's indoors and they launch you up, and in
Speaker 3: true Guardians fashion, there is like a classic song that
Speaker 3: plays during the ride, and we got Iran so.
Speaker 2: Far by Flap of Seagulls.
Speaker 3: Both times we were told we could get Conga by
Speaker 3: Gloria Stefan.
Speaker 2: So you want to come bad. I want Conga bad.
Speaker 2: Matt wanted Conga. I wanted and because because multiple people
Speaker 2: at work were like, I really hope you get this
Speaker 2: song Everybody Wants to Rule the World by Tears for Fears.
Speaker 2: That's a good one and it's one of my favorite songs.
Speaker 2: I would love, love, love for that to be blasting
Speaker 2: in my ear as I sit on one of the
Speaker 2: craziest coasters I've ever.
Speaker 3: It really was wild, and we're hopefully gonna get to
Speaker 3: do it again. And I hope can I tell you why?
Speaker 3: I hope what happens and let's get tactile. I hope
Speaker 3: that one time it's Conga and one time it's oh.
Speaker 2: My God, everybody wants to Rule the World. Oh my God,
Speaker 2: we're crying. Get we're touching. I think this is what
Speaker 2: Disney is all about, and it's about making memories with
Speaker 2: friends and people.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, thank you for saying. I also, yeah,
Speaker 3: it was an extremely fun day. What did you think
Speaker 3: of your experience on rides the Resistance, that billion dollar project.
Speaker 2: That billion dollar project at this scale. I was just
Speaker 2: this and love was obsessed with going inside, outside, inside, outside.
Speaker 2: Kind of didn't expect it to be like, this is
Speaker 2: the Ratituey ride, but two twenty these trackless vehicles, vehicles,
Speaker 2: I kind of I'm digging. I'm like the power of magnets. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's really wild. It's I'm feeling like a juggalo because
Speaker 2: I'm going magnets. How do they work?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 2: Tell me how it works? Magnet. Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, we're having a fabulous day. Today is going to
Speaker 3: be more of a chill we sort of the world
Speaker 3: and drink.
Speaker 2: Around the Wild World showcase.
Speaker 3: We're having an absolutely fabulous day. At the top of
Speaker 3: the episode, we mentioned the Mother Convention, which was Megan
Speaker 3: Trainer was on Kelly Clarkson and then you sort of
Speaker 3: had a melt down. But I think we do have
Speaker 3: to face the fact that I think we started this.
Speaker 2: Mother thing with Megan Trainer. I don't think we did.
Speaker 3: I think we called Meghan Trainer's mother more than and
Speaker 3: before anyone else. And now she has a full song
Speaker 3: called mother. And basically what I'm saying is we are
Speaker 3: the We are the Chris Olson's who go unseen.
Speaker 2: We are the Chris Olsen's who are not her friends.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we are the Chris Olsen's who are saying mother, mother, mother,
Speaker 3: not on TikTok, sort.
Speaker 2: Of beyond TikTok, and there is a world beyond.
Speaker 3: There is a world beyond TikTok and their lurk Matt
Speaker 3: and Bowen who've been saying Meghan Trainer mother for a long.
Speaker 2: Time on legacy media like podcasts.
Speaker 3: Lost cultis is legacy media. And that's for the culture
Speaker 3: number seventy eight lost legacy media. But whether we've been
Speaker 3: saying it as a joker or not, we have been
Speaker 3: saying it.
Speaker 2: Lost cult racist is part of big many players. It's
Speaker 2: part of iHeartRadio, is part of say that is part
Speaker 2: of whyte Storbory. Though I know I've heard Shiv say,
Speaker 2: well we've got we've got lost culture.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Shiv is a huge reader. Shit is
Speaker 3: a huge or she's a Katie.
Speaker 2: Shit was kind of the one pulling the strings in
Speaker 2: terms of the deal being struck. Yes to get lost
Speaker 2: culture on Waste Star.
Speaker 3: She was like, these two are a path into a
Speaker 3: demographic we don't have.
Speaker 2: And listen, we were at Disney when Carlson and Lemon
Speaker 2: were out, and that makes us two of the foremost
Speaker 2: journalists working right now.
Speaker 3: Wait, let's pivot to talk about this. So there's succession
Speaker 3: to discuss, and there's also the wild media media having
Speaker 3: a moment.
Speaker 2: Media is having a moment.
Speaker 3: That's such a title of app Media is having a Moment,
Speaker 3: because media had such a moment Monday. We're recording this
Speaker 3: Tuesday morning at the Walt Disney World Resort in Orlando.
Speaker 2: Floors Media writ large.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so this is our big media episode, lights
Speaker 3: camera action. So yesterday Taker Carlson and Don Lemon out
Speaker 3: at Fox News and CNN, respectively. Other things also went down,
Speaker 3: but we're focusing on these two because it was just wild.
Speaker 3: These like sort of controversial, polarizing, to say the least,
Speaker 3: talking heads on different ends of the political spectrum both
Speaker 3: got canned and neither of them saw it coming right,
Speaker 3: and I think both of them sort of felt like protected,
Speaker 3: because why wouldn't they have already been given the boot.
Speaker 3: But both kind of messy girls in their own right,
Speaker 3: and let's get into it.
Speaker 2: Let's get into it. Because you're not too equate. Can
Speaker 2: we just say not too equate? Obviously not to equate,
Speaker 2: but for them to go. I never thought this could happen. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that means we're not safe, you and I we could
Speaker 2: be back to this episode. After iHeart listens to what
Speaker 2: we have to say about the sponsors, they go, you're out.
Speaker 2: We are gonna be lemoned. Carlsoned out of iHeart, which
Speaker 2: is our CNN, which is our Fox News. We thought
Speaker 2: we were like, we're good, babe. No, no one's safe.
Speaker 3: You are never safe. And if you're listening to this
Speaker 3: right now, I know last time I said Katie, you're
Speaker 3: a finalist. Here's what I'm saying to you today, Katie,
Speaker 3: You're not safe. You might be on the topic luck,
Speaker 3: we're messing around, Katie. But Katie, I'm just saying, wash
Speaker 3: your back.
Speaker 2: I'm saying the economy is not doing great. I'm saying
Speaker 2: we don't have the job security. We think we do now,
Speaker 2: we do not media personalities. They're hunting us. They are
Speaker 2: hunting media personalities. Okay, and I'm really fearful and I'm
Speaker 2: looking you wide eyed and til lo reata's how scared
Speaker 2: I look? You look very scared and scary? Might I add?
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 2: Look, they're given everyone a pot. They're given Meghan Phelps
Speaker 2: Roper a podcast these days? What to a podcast defending
Speaker 2: JK Rowling? Can we just everyone wait? Huh? Everyone please?
Speaker 2: So you know this big witch trust of JK rolling
Speaker 2: podcast that's like popping off, that's Megan helps Roper, the
Speaker 2: ad mean Phelps Roper. And she's coming at it from
Speaker 2: the angle of I know what it's like to be
Speaker 2: on either side, to like persecute and be persecuted, and
Speaker 2: it's like, you know what it's like to be in
Speaker 2: a cult for years and brainwashed and now you're only
Speaker 2: sort of better because you're just starting the building blocks
Speaker 2: of humanity. She is coming at it from an angle
Speaker 2: of you need to be able to have reason to
Speaker 2: measured conversations with bigots because otherwise they won't listen to you.
Speaker 2: And ContraPoints did a second episode about JK Rolling within
Speaker 2: like the last year or everyone should watch it. And
Speaker 2: the reason she's revisiting this idea is because of the
Speaker 2: witch trials of JK Rowling. But basically she's being like, yes,
Speaker 2: it's an interesting point to make. It's a very attractive
Speaker 2: point to make, to be like, should you actually be
Speaker 2: able to like have a conversation with a person that
Speaker 2: you disagree with because otherwise, you know, like what hope
Speaker 2: do we have? But that is to like make Meghan Phelps,
Speaker 2: Roper and jk Rolling the main characters of the story,
Speaker 2: which they are not. The main characters are people who
Speaker 2: are getting their rights taken away, and no one is
Speaker 2: coming after the persecuted mr exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like it's like no one is trying to actually
Speaker 3: kill jk Rowlling, right, or take her rights away or
Speaker 3: take her money away.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Being in a Twitter fight constantly because of the things
Speaker 3: you post on a witch trial, it's you're putting yourself
Speaker 3: out there and putting your views out there, and when
Speaker 3: people like are angry about it or feel hurt by
Speaker 3: it or offended by it or feel endangered by it,
Speaker 3: they actually are allowed to react as strongly as they want.
Speaker 4: It.
Speaker 2: Actually, like really brought me back to like not to
Speaker 2: like talk about this too much. But it's like, thank
Speaker 2: God for ContraPoints because I'm just like, oh, I needed
Speaker 2: to hear this, because for a while I was like,
Speaker 2: I guess, like I should try to figure out a
Speaker 2: way to like understand the way someone on the other
Speaker 2: side thinks. M hmmm, and not to get like even
Speaker 2: to tribal in my own like in the way I
Speaker 2: describe myself like the other side. Lol. But I'm like,
Speaker 2: but it's not about that like that. I'm sorry. They
Speaker 2: are NPC correct, they are NPC.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 3: The Meghan Phelps roper of it all always did interest
Speaker 3: me because she was so she went so hard on
Speaker 3: the paint for the Westboro Baptist charge. She was so
Speaker 3: unmovable that for her to then like I think, that's
Speaker 3: like the weird thing is she was like I guess
Speaker 3: de radicalized online. Like I believe she even ended up
Speaker 3: getting together with or marrying the person that up like,
Speaker 3: which is getting in her DMS and like being like, hey,
Speaker 3: if you want to talk about this, you are incorrect
Speaker 3: on the way that you feel, which.
Speaker 2: Is also like a weird little textural thing in it.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, oh, the person, who do you radicalized
Speaker 2: you y'all wanted to really marry, like fuck each other.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's also again centering her perspective, which is, yes,
Speaker 3: you were able to be deradicalized online, but that's also
Speaker 3: not necessarily what happened, because what happened was you did
Speaker 3: media appearances on behalf of the Westboro Baptist Church and
Speaker 3: then you got an overwhelmingly negative reaction, which had to
Speaker 3: affect you initially to the point where then you saw
Speaker 3: the DM and were like, let me engage in this.
Speaker 3: And you also, I think, love the attention of going
Speaker 3: back and forth. It's that annoying thing that some people
Speaker 3: are where they're like, you know, contrarians and just want
Speaker 3: to fight to fight. That was the energy and that
Speaker 3: she had, like me and you on every episode of
Speaker 3: this podcast, it's really just noise. It's just fighting fighting,
Speaker 3: It's just two people fighting. It's just two gay guys fighting.
Speaker 3: And the gay guys have such annoying voices and just
Speaker 3: to hear them fight and squawk is so disgusting, and
Speaker 3: they just want to hear themselves talk. True, these gay
Speaker 3: guys just want to hear themselves talk. If everyone could
Speaker 3: leave a five star review and say these gay guys
Speaker 3: just want to hear themselves talk on the podcast app.
Speaker 3: That would be amazing, amazing, These gay guys just want
Speaker 3: to hear themselves talk hard. Leave that at a five
Speaker 3: star review. Bomb the ratings bomb the rating with five
Speaker 3: stars though, and that's called a bomb, and that's called
Speaker 3: a bomb. But she's just again centering her own experience totally,
Speaker 3: which is like I'm telling you it can happen. It's like,
Speaker 3: yes for you, but that's also not the full picture totally,
Speaker 3: and you wanted to fuck the guy, and.
Speaker 2: It's also yeah, well not even does talk about that.
Speaker 2: It's like this cannot be applicable to everybody because not
Speaker 2: everyone's going to marry the person that do you radicalize?
Speaker 3: Right, That's it. And also I'm not saying Megan Phelps
Speaker 3: Roper is wretched. I'm saying she was wretched. Now she's
Speaker 3: like trying her best, but it's like, this is not
Speaker 3: the way for everyone, And like to sympathize with jk Rowling,
Speaker 3: who again also does not come from your position because
Speaker 3: you were living in a relative state of like isolation.
Speaker 3: Jk Rowling has had the entire world at her fingertips
Speaker 3: and all the resources at her fingertips to educate herself,
Speaker 3: refuses or digs in. It just shows her true like
Speaker 3: inherent privilege and evil at this point. So again it's
Speaker 3: completely different.
Speaker 2: It's I don't really use this word too much, but
Speaker 2: the fop it's pop and I never say that word.
Speaker 2: The takeaway, the headline from this ContraPoints that just came
Speaker 2: out is this person is evil. Yeah, it's an evil
Speaker 2: person like this is wild. Yeah, And again I don't
Speaker 2: really I don't say evil. I don't say evil too much.
Speaker 3: Only when when we saw Kylo Red yesterday and the
Speaker 3: rise of their existance, Bowen actually screamed the word evil,
Speaker 3: and it was I just I'm really excited for Wicked.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say, I'm just really excited for Wicked. If
Speaker 3: yesterday Bowen and Yang screaming the word evil was a
Speaker 3: glimpse at his performance in Wicked Part one, end two,
Speaker 3: you're gonna way to have to wait till Thanksgiving next
Speaker 3: year for that one.
Speaker 2: Then you are in for a spectacular treat. Alphabet stood
Speaker 2: no chance when if Fanny was.
Speaker 3: In the room, I can't believe that you as someone
Speaker 3: this is I guess acting right, so bang like I
Speaker 3: think really spiritually kind of is Alphaba and like you
Speaker 3: have the power of alpha ba and you know that
Speaker 3: Alphaba's good. But you, as the actor playing Fanny, you
Speaker 3: have to show all that you have to go in
Speaker 3: and you have to say things like evil.
Speaker 2: My biggest line, my moment is a tight single on me,
Speaker 2: a tight close upon me, and I go al evil
Speaker 2: and then that ends. That ends. You're good.
Speaker 3: I get why you booked this.
Speaker 2: You're so good, full of ship.
Speaker 4: I'm not.
Speaker 2: You're so good. You know you can't do this.
Speaker 3: I can do whatever I want. I'm good too, I know.
Speaker 3: Can I audition?
Speaker 2: Yes? Are you ready?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: I have to drop it. And this is a really
Speaker 3: hard part for me. It's not a natural fit. That's
Speaker 3: why I didn't.
Speaker 2: Oh football evil.
Speaker 3: I love that you're influencing me. Oh, we haven't dropped
Speaker 3: that yet. Oh the evil process on the call seat that.
Speaker 2: Says Fanny looks to camera, says Alphabet. I will say
Speaker 2: this is some bts and it's not revealing too much.
Speaker 2: There has been moments where I've like, where Cynthia and I,
Speaker 2: oh my god, this sounds so annoying, But then she's
Speaker 2: your co star in the Yeah, it's not that weird.
Speaker 2: She and I have like between takes, like I've been like,
Speaker 2: this feels really bad and I'm really sorry my character
Speaker 2: has had to be the cruel to her.
Speaker 3: Oh oh yeah, yeah, I thought you were talking about
Speaker 3: your own Actually so bad you like one fifteenth the
Speaker 3: size of the part of the street. Oh god, I'm
Speaker 3: not as good as you.
Speaker 2: I'm not as good as you. And she's like, it's okay, Darling.
Speaker 2: I wish I was nominated for an oscar like you, Tony.
Speaker 2: And I was like it was a scene where like
Speaker 2: you have to be cruel, cruel, and I'm like, this
Speaker 2: feels really bad in like my bones. And she's like,
Speaker 2: I know, Donning, it's fine, it's fine, don't worry. I'm
Speaker 2: it's terrible buttock set. But she's she can like she's amazing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my gosh, what it must be like to
Speaker 3: have those must be you.
Speaker 2: And like I said, I'm bringing a crossboat a set.
Speaker 2: I'm not bringing a gun to set anymore because that
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's a little extreme, but I am
Speaker 2: bringing a crossboat a set to shoot down the drones
Speaker 2: that y'all keep sending into the premises.
Speaker 3: Stop sending drones into that artistic environment. Okay, please, there.
Speaker 2: Were no drones in OZ. No, you're breaking the spell, dear,
Speaker 2: there were no drones.
Speaker 3: And ohs, there was one liar man behind the curtain
Speaker 3: who lied to everyone. He said he was really OZ,
Speaker 3: he was just a man. And more on that later
Speaker 3: next year.
Speaker 2: Do we feel we covered the Tucker Carlson and Don
Speaker 2: Lemon thing? Yeah? Do we care? So basically, here's the deal.
Speaker 3: Tuger Carlson's awful and finally even Fox News couldn't stand
Speaker 3: them anymore and kicked them the fuck out. And it's
Speaker 3: just like, I guess ultimately they lost money or whatever.
Speaker 3: They couldn't stand that anymore.
Speaker 2: But the dominion lawsuit, it's like, oh, this man law
Speaker 2: has lied and lied in line, we're moving away from that.
Speaker 2: It's it's both of these networks like being like, oh,
Speaker 2: let's change course, let's not be crazy crazy, crazy crazy
Speaker 2: h which is for it to be beyond the pale.
Speaker 2: For Fox News is like lol yeah, and for CNN
Speaker 2: it's like he's chaotic. Don Lemon, Well, Don Lemon is like,
Speaker 2: unfortunately he represented this like left leaning voice that was
Speaker 2: like super opinionated, and I think now CNN's whole thing
Speaker 2: is like, m we don't want either side to be overrepresented,
Speaker 2: and so we're just gonna find Now, we're gonna find
Speaker 2: personalities who can moderate discussions between both sides, which I
Speaker 2: think is kind of like an such an iroll.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but if you read the article, it's like he
Speaker 3: had said like wild things about women, like you know whatever,
Speaker 3: like saying like Nikki Haley was quote pastor prime or whatever.
Speaker 3: But that was like the tip of the iceberg. It's
Speaker 3: like if you really reading the lines, like Don Lemon
Speaker 3: got fired for doing gay ship behind the scenes, like.
Speaker 2: For doing like woman hating gage shit like mean gay shit.
Speaker 2: That's what That's what we were saying yesterday. It was
Speaker 2: mean gay shit because he was like literally sabotaging these
Speaker 2: women's careers, allegedly allegedly at CNN and MOUNT and I
Speaker 2: were like, that's such mean gay like that it gives
Speaker 2: mean gay outdated like data lounge mean gay shit, like
Speaker 2: oh like boomer ass mean gay shit, and not to
Speaker 2: this is not to like you know, be ageist, but
Speaker 2: it's like there is a like I thought it was
Speaker 2: a generational kind of gay man who was like, oh
Speaker 2: you think that about women, Oh okay, like it's giving that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And honestly, it's like it's kind of wild though,
Speaker 3: like a few years ago, these people that were on air,
Speaker 3: they're completely gone, like Cuomo, he's out now, Don Lemon
Speaker 3: and Tucker Carlson.
Speaker 2: Like it's a witch hunt. It's a witch hunt. I'm
Speaker 2: telling you.
Speaker 3: Media personalities are under attack. Media figures are not safe.
Speaker 3: If you want a media figure, Katie listening to this,
Speaker 3: turn around and look behind you. Make sure this no
Speaker 3: one with a knife. Just stick in your back, Katie.
Speaker 3: You're gorgeous back.
Speaker 2: You're gorgeous back. And this is quickly another thing that
Speaker 2: Countra Points is talking about, like she like she talks
Speaker 2: about like Anita Bryant in the beginning speaking for Damn.
Speaker 2: She's like, and it's again, I hate that I'm even
Speaker 2: bringing this up, but it is this other it's this
Speaker 2: other way of like representing this idea that like cancel
Speaker 2: culture is like this thing that like has always existed.
Speaker 2: It's like Anita Bryant was being variantly homophobic. Everyone was like,
Speaker 2: your career is over, babe. Yeah, Like everyone like and
Speaker 2: especially Game and obviously around the country were like, boycott
Speaker 2: the fucking Orange juice. Yeah, we're not watching your stupid
Speaker 2: little movies anymore. Like you're done in this business. And
Speaker 2: it's like burn a woman for like being a witch
Speaker 2: back whatever this is and like connecting different dots. But
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, this is a human condition, is that
Speaker 2: we like kill each other. That's it.
Speaker 3: Like that was really powerful when you said that this
Speaker 3: is the human edition that we kill each other. That's
Speaker 3: real Coachure number fifty. This is the human edition that
Speaker 3: we kill each other. You're correct though in that like this,
Speaker 3: people have always been if they've done something incorrect, they've
Speaker 3: always had consequences for it. It's just that now there's
Speaker 3: so many people that we know about, and there's the
Speaker 3: information spread is so immediate and so wide, and like
Speaker 3: you know, it's so easy to find out about these
Speaker 3: things that we just hear it so much that we're
Speaker 3: saturated with this idea that people being fucked up because
Speaker 3: there's a lot of fun that people in the world
Speaker 3: get fired or tossed or you know, forgotten about or
Speaker 3: deleted from the Internet. How do you feel about the
Speaker 3: loss of the bluehack? So we have pour one out
Speaker 3: for the blue chack.
Speaker 2: Growing out for the blue checks everybody. We have our
Speaker 2: ice coffee.
Speaker 3: We have ice coffee. I'm not going to pour them
Speaker 3: out on the resort.
Speaker 2: But but no, but and it's just you know, in spirit,
Speaker 2: we're pouring one out for the war.
Speaker 3: Hope everyone feels good out there, and say fun the internet.
Speaker 2: Say be careful, it's tough. It's a lot of news
Speaker 2: outlets are ditching Twitter, which you know, for an election
Speaker 2: before a general election is tough, a tough one. I
Speaker 2: think the future is looking like it might be a
Speaker 2: rocky road. It might be a rocky road. And this
Speaker 2: is a really political and Desanti's country of all places.
Speaker 3: I can't even speak about the demon raw death Santa Death.
Speaker 2: Santa is traveling the world right now for no good reason.
Speaker 2: He's on the campaign Governor's doing international trips just to pivot, thinks, So, honey.
Speaker 3: Pivot some more happy news. You mentioned you listen to
Speaker 3: a couple of songs from Miss Clarkson. She's released some singles.
Speaker 2: And can I point out something? Yeah, In the song me,
Speaker 2: she literally sings an Adora Delano rusical melody and line
Speaker 2: what is it well door goes when you love me?
Speaker 2: What does Kelly singing that? Where got me? But I
Speaker 2: think she she goes when.
Speaker 3: She does a whole fucking run, she's she's giving the vocals,
Speaker 3: and you notice her gospel vocals on it, like very
Speaker 3: must say like that, like that big vibrato gospel influence
Speaker 3: vocals before the choir even comes that we're talking about
Speaker 3: me now, which is.
Speaker 2: The I don't need somebody me?
Speaker 3: That is she's giving vocals for sure on both tracks,
Speaker 3: but that I just noticed that she's kind of like
Speaker 3: leaning into her her gospel vocal influence. And on Mine
Speaker 3: that's more of just like a what'd you call that mine?
Speaker 3: I don't take an alternative pop song. It's like it
Speaker 3: changes tempos at the bridge, which was really yeah, I
Speaker 3: love that. I think my favorite out of the two
Speaker 3: is mine. I just think it's really obviously her voice.
Speaker 3: And you know what I love about the Kelly Clarkson
Speaker 3: songs that have just been released. Her vocals are in
Speaker 3: front of the production in a way that you do
Speaker 3: not hear like it doesn't sound like and I'm not
Speaker 3: dragging anyone, but it doesn't sound like eight different voices
Speaker 3: all being heard underwater like a lot of the pop
Speaker 3: girls now is just like we're into the vocal layering
Speaker 3: and production like being a major, Like you know, it's
Speaker 3: like a landscape or is this is like the vocal Yeah,
Speaker 3: and then very spare instrumentation behind it, like there's a
Speaker 3: drum kit, which I love, like you know, there's a
Speaker 3: bass that like sounds great, but like it's really about
Speaker 3: her voice and the lyrics, which is I think the
Speaker 3: direction we've wanted.
Speaker 2: Even her dialed dialed in that direction from the last
Speaker 2: Meaning of Life certainly or piece it was with a
Speaker 2: lot of production. Yeah, and Life was like I'm obviously
Speaker 2: you're obviously the bigger well.
Speaker 3: Meaning of Life was like definitely more a vocal event,
Speaker 3: and it was like genre wise, stuff that she wanted
Speaker 3: to do more because it was like soul full rock pop,
Speaker 3: which is sort of like what she's always wanted to do.
Speaker 3: I think, like she said, it was more of a
Speaker 3: throwback to what she sang on American Out of the Show,
Speaker 3: where she was like, you know, I used to sing
Speaker 3: Aretha Franklin like most of the time, and like there
Speaker 3: was R and B infused pop rocks that was had soul.
Speaker 3: That's kind of what her thing is. And now I
Speaker 3: think what we're seeing is I feel like either she's
Speaker 3: trusted to or not expected to do the pop thing,
Speaker 3: or she's just trusted to.
Speaker 2: Do what she wants to do.
Speaker 3: And so now we're getting more vocal driven music from her,
Speaker 3: which is good, and it's not like.
Speaker 2: My life would suck now You, which is.
Speaker 3: Really wasted on a voice like hers, which has so
Speaker 3: much texture and versatility that for her to sing these
Speaker 3: like pop songs with you know, only six different notes
Speaker 3: in them, which are actually harder to sing live and
Speaker 3: not as fun to hear live. And of course we
Speaker 3: love the anthems, we love since You've been gone, We
Speaker 3: love all the old Kelly bobs, but like.
Speaker 2: Her voice is just better than that. Yes, And I
Speaker 2: think now an audience, the audience knows this is like
Speaker 2: her first batch of original music since like Kelly Yoki
Speaker 2: really became a thing. Yeah, And like I think now
Speaker 2: people understand her to be like, oh, she's a vote.
Speaker 2: She can of course she can sing she want American Nidol,
Speaker 2: but like she can sing any any version genre of
Speaker 2: song by any artist. So for her to choose this
Speaker 2: as her own thing is meaningful and important, and I
Speaker 2: think a message is being sent to us, yes, as
Speaker 2: a general public, to be like, oh, okay, this is
Speaker 2: an interesting direction for her to go, and it really
Speaker 2: is interesting. Well we were, we were, by the way,
Speaker 2: Happy birthday, Kelly. It was your birthday on the Monday Day.
Speaker 3: People have been saying for years like, oh, why doesn't
Speaker 3: she do like an Adele thing? Why doesn't she do
Speaker 3: like an Adele thing? And it's like Adele can do
Speaker 3: an Adele thing because she started as doing an adel
Speaker 3: thing and people want her to do that. Like it's
Speaker 3: taken Kelly a long time to be able to do
Speaker 3: this because she was still like servicing like the pop machine,
Speaker 3: like this is my heartbeat song and it's like songs
Speaker 3: that you don't even remember. Whereas like now now that
Speaker 3: she's not expected to be on pop radio, I don't
Speaker 3: think which is you know, a problem in and of
Speaker 3: itself that has to do with agism and all sorts
Speaker 3: of bullshit. Like it's sort of nice at least for
Speaker 3: fans of hers that actually like to listen to, you know,
Speaker 3: her sing and like things that are meaningful to her,
Speaker 3: that she's able to do this now and we're gonna
Speaker 3: go see.
Speaker 2: Her in Vegas, very very excited. That's going to be
Speaker 2: the gag do I did get intel. I was gonna say,
Speaker 2: do you want to share this intell you? Because the
Speaker 2: first thing this morning, Matt and I get up to
Speaker 2: go get coffee. Matt gasps, okay, so Gasp says I
Speaker 2: have intel from this, So I have.
Speaker 3: I had a plant at the Kelly Clarkson show at
Speaker 3: the Blasco Theater early in the week, and she did
Speaker 3: the whole album front to back. And I think she's
Speaker 3: not doing music videos for the album. I think she's
Speaker 3: like entirely doing her own thing for it. What she
Speaker 3: wanted to do was she wanted to sing the album
Speaker 3: front to back at the Blasco Theater and it was
Speaker 3: filmed and I guess it will be released.
Speaker 2: At some point.
Speaker 3: But this is the intel that I got for what
Speaker 3: happened this person said, this person will remain nameless, that
Speaker 3: they know who they are.
Speaker 2: They're a legend. OMG.
Speaker 3: I think you will love the new album. It was
Speaker 3: truly spectacular. She performed the entire thing a lot more
Speaker 3: upbeat than I expected. I think my fave was Rock Hudson.
Speaker 3: This is a song called right. I'm obsessed that she
Speaker 3: says something like piece by piece, I became my own
Speaker 3: here and I love when artists are self referential like that.
Speaker 3: Another highlight was def Lighthouse.
Speaker 2: It's a good title.
Speaker 3: I would say that this was the most painful lyrically.
Speaker 3: I deaf cried during that one. It's one of her
Speaker 3: more emotionally charged albums. I would say. Then there's a
Speaker 3: song called Red Flag Collector love it. She prefaced it
Speaker 3: by saying, Mama was angry. Y'all, yep, skip this part.
Speaker 3: She had to restart twice because she got so emotional.
Speaker 3: It was another heartbreaker for sure about wanting to skip
Speaker 3: the hard part after a breakup. Title track she said
Speaker 3: was her Jeff Buckley moment. That means, so I think,
Speaker 3: I think it's more like acoustic. Oh I see, I see,
Speaker 3: I yes, magic it's called I also thought it was sweet.
Speaker 3: She prefaced that by saying the song was about like
Speaker 3: if I died tomorrow, at least I experienced magic. Then
Speaker 3: Sheila E features on a song. She came out and
Speaker 3: they did a couple songs. Sheila SHELA that's major and
Speaker 3: then you know, he's obviously said that her voice sounded amazing.
Speaker 3: But the magic part really got me because I remember.
Speaker 2: Thinking that we're at Disney, of all places, I know to.
Speaker 3: Hear that there was a song called Magic at Disney,
Speaker 3: but like the concept of like because I did think
Speaker 3: that a couple of times. I was like, oh, well,
Speaker 3: you know what, if it's over, at least I got
Speaker 3: that moment of like, it's feeling really good. And I
Speaker 3: guess that's what the whole concept of chemistry is, right.
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, you get to experience what it's
Speaker 3: like to be really wrapped up in something and someone,
Speaker 3: and it feels like an invincible feeling. And then even
Speaker 3: though it's gone, like at least you got to experience it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and skipping the hard part, you know, skip this
Speaker 2: part feels very hashtag relatable, hashtag relatable, and people are
Speaker 2: forgetting hashtag relatable.
Speaker 3: You think that relatability culture is going to come back
Speaker 3: in a major way.
Speaker 2: I think it's never left.
Speaker 3: I think we're always in it. I think we're always
Speaker 3: we always appreciate relatable. Who is the most relatable queen?
Speaker 2: Honestly, maybe Kelly, Maybe she is. Maybe it's Kelly and
Speaker 2: it's not recency by it, it's just it's Kelly. Chila,
Speaker 2: that's very exciting. Sheila legend Let percussion nist the percussion.
Speaker 2: We're actually so excited to announce that the percussion nist.
Speaker 2: The award goes to Congratulations.
Speaker 3: Congratulations you are a finalist and a winner at the
Speaker 3: same time. Did you see that the readers are sort
Speaker 3: of discussing that there's a four quadrants Now it's sort
Speaker 3: of become the huff of puff hogwarts houses.
Speaker 2: Damn it so now it's unfortunately, well we can take
Speaker 2: it back.
Speaker 5: No, no, no.
Speaker 3: People are identifying in one of four ways a katie katie,
Speaker 3: a reader, a finalist, or a publicist, and it was
Speaker 3: so fascinating. I saw some conversation online about how people
Speaker 3: felt they fell into different boxes and it was very equal. Really, yes,
Speaker 3: I here's what I think the difference is. A Katie
Speaker 3: is that person who listens and they're feeling like very
Speaker 3: comfortable and at home in it, and they're saying yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 3: back to the podcast when we speak yes. I think
Speaker 3: a reader is someone who is diligent and consuming.
Speaker 2: This is huge, This is so major that you're actually
Speaker 2: the cliniant. Please.
Speaker 3: And I think a reader is diligent and consuming and
Speaker 3: is obtaining information and they are the ones who go
Speaker 3: out and they're doing it like to fill out the
Speaker 3: cultural self. Yes, the publicist is I think someone who
Speaker 3: takes information from this and takes things from this and
Speaker 3: they go out and spread gospel.
Speaker 2: That's interesting publicizing. Does it also work the other way
Speaker 2: where I feel like I learn so much from publicists.
Speaker 2: I'm saying the publicists in the lost cultural systems, where
Speaker 2: so many publicists reach out to me and they go,
Speaker 2: here's some information for you that I think you might enjoy,
Speaker 2: and I go, ah, I would have never known. Thank you. Yes,
Speaker 2: And I appreciate them so much equally as the others.
Speaker 2: But there's a certain thing that publicists do and that
Speaker 2: really I appreciate.
Speaker 3: That makes them different from a Katie or read exactly.
Speaker 3: And finally, a finalist is I think someone who comes
Speaker 3: late and actualized to the podcast and they feel as
Speaker 3: though this is something they can add to their media
Speaker 3: diet that gives them another weapon and they're already completed arsenal.
Speaker 3: I think the finalists an elder that that say that
Speaker 3: that's just how I feel about it, but maybe you
Speaker 3: can interpret it differently.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I think that's a great clearly you've
Speaker 2: thought about this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And well, I mean I was just so enthralled
Speaker 3: by the readers sort of going about their sort of identity.
Speaker 3: They were finding their identity in an interesting way. And
Speaker 3: I loved watching it and I love to see it.
Speaker 3: And one thing that's coming back, I love to see it.
Speaker 2: I love to see it. Now, we do want to
Speaker 2: address something we wanted to get on this sooner. There
Speaker 2: seems to be a lot of confusion about the quote
Speaker 2: unquote ticketing systems for the Culture Awards this summer Jane seventeenth,
Speaker 2: Damn Marsh Park at Lincoln Center. We are so sorry
Speaker 2: that people ended up waiting hours and hours on a queue.
Speaker 2: The Q system is just to apparently view the website. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that was it.
Speaker 3: I mean, so basically what you need to know is
Speaker 3: that this is a free event and you just have
Speaker 3: to show up at it.
Speaker 2: You just have to show up at it. There is
Speaker 2: on Monday, June twelfth, the opportunity to claim tickets on
Speaker 2: the website. So that is something that if you go
Speaker 2: back to the Lincoln Center Summer for the City website
Speaker 2: and go to the event listing, that is maybe an
Speaker 2: opportunity to claim tickets. But we have on good authority
Speaker 2: that most people who came and waited stand by last
Speaker 2: year got in. Yeah, so come a little bit early
Speaker 2: if you want. A lot of people described positive experiences
Speaker 2: meeting other readers, publicists, finalists, and that was, you know,
Speaker 2: such a fun night. So, oh my god, if you
Speaker 2: can make it, we would love to have you there.
Speaker 3: An announcement's coming soon about nominees and presenter special guests.
Speaker 3: But sorry that it's a little bit more confusing than
Speaker 3: it needs to be. But that's only because it's actually
Speaker 3: way easier than it needs to be ultimately, which is
Speaker 3: really you just show up to show or on June twelfth,
Speaker 3: you can procure some sort of ticket.
Speaker 2: Yes, and I don't think so, honey. People going, oh,
Speaker 2: boy Genius is not I mean you paid money for that,
Speaker 2: and you might see him again. Yeah, you won't see
Speaker 2: us again.
Speaker 3: Ever. All I'm saying is I see boy Genius pop
Speaker 3: up all the time. Okay, boy Genius is going to
Speaker 3: keep performing. Last Coulture is just may never perform again.
Speaker 4: That's true.
Speaker 3: We may never perform media again. Personalities are under attack,
Speaker 3: including us. Are we in a feud with boy Genius?
Speaker 3: Now we'll lose, We'll lose.
Speaker 2: We can't be the biggest MOONA stands in the world
Speaker 2: and then also be in a feud with boor Genius.
Speaker 3: Did I get into like that? I went to Puticella
Speaker 3: and everything. Did I get into that?
Speaker 2: But you get into it more.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm just saying, like one of the great moments
Speaker 3: was watching Muna just absolutely destroy and then boy Genius.
Speaker 2: All came out.
Speaker 3: Well, Phoebe came out obviously first during Soilk Chiffon, which
Speaker 3: yesterday Bowen Yang was in his poncho and I said.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Silk Chiffon, I didn't hear that. Oh
Speaker 2: that's how.
Speaker 3: You were, but you were in your poncho. And I said, oh,
Speaker 3: maybe it was Dave and I said.
Speaker 2: Shot it fun.
Speaker 3: And it was just a little joke we were doing
Speaker 3: about how our ponchos and it doesn't know what we're
Speaker 3: made of. Soa fun But anyway, Peepe came out, and
Speaker 3: then all the boy Joeys came out and it was
Speaker 3: just like watching the six of them altogether. It was power,
Speaker 3: so fun, It was powerful, powerful, croud of everyone, so
Speaker 3: so overjoyed, seriously so overjoyed.
Speaker 2: I said, powerful, letting energy, powerful, Bye.
Speaker 3: Queer energy, say it, say you the word queer queer
Speaker 3: is here. We just said, a roller coach number ninety
Speaker 3: eight queer is here. Should we move on to I
Speaker 3: don't think so, honey, did you want to have Do
Speaker 3: you want to say anything about succession?
Speaker 2: I need to catch up. I do want to say,
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, everyone better start watching Missus Davis on.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I get.
Speaker 3: Into it because now you've seen it too. I've only
Speaker 3: seen the first episodes because I went to the premiere.
Speaker 2: I'm on, I'm an episode three. I still have to
Speaker 2: finish up. This week's the premiere batch of episodes. This
Speaker 2: is right up my ouse. It's so excellent. I knew
Speaker 2: you'd like it, these excellent performances across the board. Betty Gilpin,
Speaker 2: crown it, crown it.
Speaker 3: I said to her, I was like, you know, yet again,
Speaker 3: you find a way to make every choice brand new.
Speaker 3: She's so just idiosyncratic, but also it's still it is
Speaker 3: that thing of like character, like in a way where
Speaker 3: it's always interesting and specific and like she has found
Speaker 3: yet another project that is interesting and specific and that
Speaker 3: she fits into perfectly. And we are lucky to have
Speaker 3: a show this cool and fun and different that's led
Speaker 3: by this cool and fun and different of a performance
Speaker 3: and it's it's kind of has to be seen to
Speaker 3: be believed. It's it's it's one of those things I
Speaker 3: can't explain super easily. But that's like the Damon lindelof
Speaker 3: of it all, which if you were a Damon Lindelov fan,
Speaker 3: this is capital F capital y for you. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: also you'll be frilled to know I mentioned this on
Speaker 3: the podcast, that it's the funniest he's been because he
Speaker 3: is a funny person.
Speaker 2: He's a funny person. And credit to Tara Hernandez, who
Speaker 2: was y co co creator on the show, Yes he
Speaker 2: I think he said that, like, I'm not the funny one.
Speaker 2: That's her. I'm the weird one. But I feel like
Speaker 2: his weirdness and his like grandiosity in terms of his
Speaker 2: storytelling is a perfect match for this kind of humor.
Speaker 2: That it's like weird, but not like weird in like
Speaker 2: the I don't know, and it's not.
Speaker 3: Like esoteric weird. It's like quirky weird this time it's like,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, But even quirky feels like
Speaker 3: kirky is like a slur.
Speaker 2: I don't like quirky.
Speaker 3: It's like rule culture number nine, quirky is a slur.
Speaker 3: We have to get rid of quirky. And I literally
Speaker 3: I hate that.
Speaker 2: I even know, no, no, no, but it's because that
Speaker 2: word has been burrowed into words. Psyche's yeah, and it's
Speaker 2: like we need to like let it go. I hate quirky.
Speaker 2: I hate quirky. No one's quirky. No one is.
Speaker 3: Quirky died in like the early two thousands with and
Speaker 3: this is not a per jar if I'm not shouting
Speaker 3: on this movie, but Quirky died with like five hundred
Speaker 3: days of Summer like we did Quirky. We moved on
Speaker 3: like you know what I mean, Like and I love
Speaker 3: five hundred days of Summer, but I feel like in
Speaker 3: that it's like it died with the matic pixure dream girl,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Like quirky is I just
Speaker 3: I hate quirky.
Speaker 2: I don't like TWEE.
Speaker 4: Can I say?
Speaker 2: I think me and you and Sudy are all on that.
Speaker 2: Oh we we were so anti TWEE. I know, I know,
Speaker 2: but oh my god, Missus Davis is excellent. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: before you move on, I don't think Sophny, we all
Speaker 2: need to be listening to flow their EP has been
Speaker 2: out for like about a year at this point, but
Speaker 2: I think they've done live shows recently and specifically in
Speaker 2: New York though, so again, this is a very like
Speaker 2: solipsistic like, oh, if it happened to New York, then
Speaker 2: it actually happened. But at least in New York. I
Speaker 2: feel like and because I've been out this week, I'm
Speaker 2: off of work and like I'm like being social again.
Speaker 2: Like everyone's like, have you been listening to Flow? And
Speaker 2: I'm like yes, and excellent, excellent, tight harmonies, tight girl group, vibes,
Speaker 2: Y two k rowback, love it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it really is giving like Destiny's Child back in
Speaker 3: the day. Like it's actually, I think, directly inspired by that.
Speaker 2: It's directly inspired by like Destiny's Child three LWTLC, which
Speaker 2: is fun WV. It's like that me and Nick Laughlin
Speaker 2: were kind of like, oh, it should be called Flo,
Speaker 2: but if it is pronounced Flow in that tradition of
Speaker 2: like three letters or whatever, and you say each of
Speaker 2: them individually, but it's Flow, okay. And it's not even
Speaker 2: like their initials or anything. It's just Flow. But I
Speaker 2: love it and excellent.
Speaker 3: There's some like very very little mixed vocal quality in
Speaker 3: there too. So if you're looking for a girl group,
Speaker 3: uh huh, you found it.
Speaker 2: You found it. And it was the Bowen who pointed
Speaker 2: you no, no, no, it was it was They've been around.
Speaker 2: But I did write them off as like unfortunately, I
Speaker 2: did write them off as like algorithm artists. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is this is like that happens all the time.
Speaker 2: It happens all the time, and look, we love them.
Speaker 2: But I was like, okay, like I'm gonna add this
Speaker 2: to my library. I'm gonna let's sit and then I'm
Speaker 2: gonna see you know how sometimes you need something to
Speaker 2: cook in the library for a little bit before it
Speaker 2: like really works its way into like your rotation. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it's really worked its way.
Speaker 3: And there's one song that I really like that's come out,
Speaker 3: which is like, it's like pretty a generic pop song.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've heard it.
Speaker 3: It's called Lost the Breakup by Mazy Peters. It's like
Speaker 3: Carlie ray Jepson, British. It's just a cute little song
Speaker 3: with a very nice little bridge and she's like I
Speaker 3: think a couple people have compared the writing to like
Speaker 3: Taylor so it's sort of like if Taylor Swift like
Speaker 3: being like Taylor Swift meet like a British version of
Speaker 3: Carlie ray Jepson. That's kind of what her voice sounds like.
Speaker 3: But she's got a cute little song i'll called Lost
Speaker 3: the Breakup, and I've been listening to it a lot.
Speaker 3: I think it's time for I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 3: which is sort of the thing that we uh do
Speaker 3: every episode.
Speaker 2: I'd say, bo.
Speaker 3: All right, so now I'm trying. I've just had such
Speaker 3: a wonderful few days that and also, by the way,
Speaker 3: let me just mention and I can't believe it mention
Speaker 3: this because we got directly into the culture.
Speaker 2: But my sister got married.
Speaker 3: This week and Chelsea Rogers is now Chelsea Frasier Chelsea.
Speaker 3: And it was such a lovely day and my sister
Speaker 3: was the chillest, coolest, most gorgeous bride ever. She looked amazing.
Speaker 3: Everyone was so happy. Peter, her husband, was so emotional
Speaker 3: throughout the ceremony. And I'm just so happy I got
Speaker 3: to officiate the wedding. It was the first time I'd
Speaker 3: ever done that, and I said in my speech, like
Speaker 3: what I was most impressed about by them, and like
Speaker 3: what I loved about them so much is the peace
Speaker 3: that they give each other. They they just truly live
Speaker 3: such a peaceful, like loving, supportive life, and I think
Speaker 3: that that is something that in a partnership, like is
Speaker 3: a value that I think often gets overlooked, is does
Speaker 3: the person make you feel calm and make you feel
Speaker 3: at peace and make And I've just there's such an
Speaker 3: emblem of that for me, and so I I tried
Speaker 3: to infuse that in my speech a little bit and
Speaker 3: just that they're motivated by time spent together, and I said,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm just proud of them and happy for
Speaker 3: them that they found someone that they can start now
Speaker 3: and it's like the beginning of a lifetime of more time.
Speaker 3: Like I just think that that's such a great, beautiful thing.
Speaker 3: So I just wanted to celebrate my sister, my little sister,
Speaker 3: who got married, my one sister, and we had a
Speaker 3: beautiful wedding in Saint Pete, Florida, friends and family dancing
Speaker 3: the night away. And of course you know the DJ
Speaker 3: got it crunk when wrong, because you know, like it's
Speaker 3: that thing of like at weddings that you go to
Speaker 3: for people our age sort of the high school music
Speaker 3: comes back when I tell you that, like Ying Ying Twins,
Speaker 3: Little John was playing at this wedding and I look
Speaker 3: over and I just see like my Aunt Maureen and
Speaker 3: Aunt Patty, and it's just like.
Speaker 2: Wow, to the windows to the wall.
Speaker 3: You listen to this music and you're like, this really
Speaker 3: was everywhere, and if you were not comfortable with it,
Speaker 3: it didn't matter.
Speaker 2: It didn't matter if you hate it. If you had
Speaker 2: and I'm sorry to bring this back up. If you
Speaker 2: have meceophonia, and the whisper song came.
Speaker 3: On rip Rip, that's actually really co uber eighty eight
Speaker 3: if you have mistaphonia, And then whisper song came on rip,
Speaker 3: that's beautiful.
Speaker 2: And you failed to mention on the pod and you
Speaker 2: feel you kind of buried this. What did I lead?
Speaker 2: You were like, oh, Chelsea, was the chill spread. I
Speaker 2: was like, I believe it. And then you tell me
Speaker 2: last night dinner her plumbing went out three days before
Speaker 2: the wedding and she had to get well water to
Speaker 2: like clean herself, and she did not let that affect
Speaker 2: the mood at us. She was like, yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean the water went out, Like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well she I could tell she was stressed, but
Speaker 3: she was basically like, yeah, the water went out in
Speaker 3: like her apartment complex. Oh my goes out and gets
Speaker 3: water from like somewhere, brings it into the bathroom so
Speaker 3: she can literally flush a toilet. And then a frog
Speaker 3: jumped out of the no of the bucket, like because
Speaker 3: the frog had been in the water that she got,
Speaker 3: and she was literally like it was giving Amelia Badilia.
Speaker 3: It was giving act plates spinning that vibe. But and
Speaker 3: imagine getting married forty eight hours later. Just imagine she's
Speaker 3: probably one of the first people in history who had
Speaker 3: a frog fucking frogged about her toilet.
Speaker 2: It was on days before they got married. It was
Speaker 2: just unreal.
Speaker 3: And Katie's I mean, that is a true testament to
Speaker 3: how chill this bride was a Chelsea Fraser. Say it loud,
Speaker 3: say it proud. It's so weird that she has a
Speaker 3: different last name. You know, I almost didn't assume that
Speaker 3: she would take it Chelsea Fraser. I love Chelsea Fraser's great.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's kind of an even trade with Chelsea Rodgers.
Speaker 3: Chelsea Fraser.
Speaker 2: You kind of make the same mouth sounds like, the
Speaker 2: oral posture is the same Fraser Rogers, Well, she married
Speaker 2: Brendan Fraser. Oh that's so fun. Yeah, it's so fun.
Speaker 2: We love having him in the family. He doesn't.
Speaker 3: He doesn't love my take on the whale. But that's
Speaker 3: just one of the things family will have to get over. Family,
Speaker 3: you know, Like, I'm so happy to have my brother
Speaker 3: in law Brendan Fraser around. Now, well, it's I don't
Speaker 3: think so many times this is I don't think.
Speaker 2: So, honey.
Speaker 3: The sixty second segment where Bowen Yang and met Rogers,
Speaker 3: that's us. Actually, if you were confused, we'd take sixty
Speaker 3: seconds to rail against something in culture that needs a railing, okay,
Speaker 3: sort of like us high fived.
Speaker 2: I actually would love that soon love that, Well, you
Speaker 2: have some time. How much longer you have time off
Speaker 2: depends on if the strike. Yes, there might be a
Speaker 2: strike and then bon Yang can get railed all the
Speaker 2: do dot day. I love that. I would love to
Speaker 2: get railed for labor solidarity.
Speaker 3: By the way, I would like to say in a
Speaker 3: real way, you know, we voted yes on that strike offisation.
Speaker 3: We are in big, big support of the WGA. We're
Speaker 3: actually both members and we will be hitting the streets
Speaker 3: to picket post taste, and we hope that everything works
Speaker 3: out for the best, but we are ready the.
Speaker 2: Two point five percent of people who voted knowing the guild,
Speaker 2: I go, Okay, yeah, what happened there? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, they must have the reasons. Maybe it was
Speaker 2: a slip of the finger on the website.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 3: I think some people are like, some people are like, no,
Speaker 3: we can't do that. Yeah, Phil, they have good reasons
Speaker 3: for it, which I let's kock get into it.
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe those are like literally all of the
Speaker 2: studio execs who like happened to be in the guild,
Speaker 2: in the guilds and also so are well represented by AMPTP.
Speaker 3: I'll say this. There was one tweet and take out
Speaker 3: with a grant of swell. But there was one from
Speaker 3: a particular show where apparently a lot of writers on
Speaker 3: this one particular very popular comedy show voted no. And
Speaker 3: I'll let the readers and the katies and the publishers
Speaker 3: in the finals it was cheers. I'll let them all
Speaker 3: do their own digging on that. But I thought it
Speaker 3: was interesting and I didn't dive deep enough to like
Speaker 3: really understand what was happening, But it seemed like there's
Speaker 3: one comedy show out there that's super popular critically and like,
Speaker 3: you know, commercially where more than one person voted no HM.
Speaker 2: Anyway, before we move on speaking of writers, I need
Speaker 2: to read this piece on Vulture about the Who Jackie
Speaker 2: of it all. I didn't realize that Who Jackie was
Speaker 2: like such a prolific urban legend at this point in
Speaker 2: terms of comedy writing where there's apparently a story of
Speaker 2: So this is back in the days of literally asking
Speaker 2: who Jackie. So Roseanne back in the day, like peak Roseanne, right,
Speaker 2: Roseanne Barr would bring and like the writer's room would
Speaker 2: be like thirty people she would just bring in, like
Speaker 2: random ass people she saw at the club, and like
Speaker 2: they'd be hired for like ten episodes and then they'd
Speaker 2: be like fall away as soon as they came and
Speaker 2: like people would be like, oh wait, that person worked
Speaker 2: for us. So the norm McDonald was describing this, this
Speaker 2: is like the origin of the legend. There's this one
Speaker 2: writer who's who gets brought in is like this like
Speaker 2: some comic from some club that Roseanne must have seen
Speaker 2: doesn't say a peep for two years, two full seasons.
Speaker 2: Is in the writer's room doesn't pitch, doesn't really doesn't
Speaker 2: say anything right, and this this will sound familiar in
Speaker 2: a second. And then one day they're like trying to
Speaker 2: come up with like, you know, story ideas for the episodes.
Speaker 2: And then one day this writer finally like says something
Speaker 2: and goes, what about an episode where like John Gimman's
Speaker 2: character comes home and he sees Roseanne. He catches Roseanne
Speaker 2: watching her big fat ass in the sink, washing her
Speaker 2: big And they've literally done like a thirty Rock episode
Speaker 2: about this, like hasn't like having we heard like yeah,
Speaker 2: she's she's washing her ass in the sink, like it
Speaker 2: comes from this story. And then they're like, oh, that's
Speaker 2: kind of crazy. I don't think we can show that.
Speaker 2: Then this writer goes, well, it's not Roseanne. You find
Speaker 2: out it's her twin sister. And then they're like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: Roseanne already has a sister, you know, you know, we
Speaker 2: already have Jackie. And then the writer goes, who, Jackie
Speaker 2: has been in there for two years. Every character.
Speaker 5: Jackie.
Speaker 2: I love Who. But like I've heard some version of
Speaker 2: like it does sound familiar, like it's a very like
Speaker 2: it's like a comedy inside joke thing of like comedy writer,
Speaker 2: let's say inside joke thing of like oh Jackie, like
Speaker 2: you know the man comes home and catches the wife
Speaker 2: washing her big fat ass in the thing. Yeah, like
Speaker 2: that I think has like really like stayed stayed around
Speaker 2: for decades and I'm like that's where it's from. And
Speaker 2: I don't know. There's like there's this whole like journalistic
Speaker 2: like oral history or whatever on Vulture about like because
Speaker 2: everyone claims to have been in that room and like
Speaker 2: again like there were Jackie who jack there? But there again,
Speaker 2: there were like thirty people in that room at least,
Speaker 2: and like but like over the years, like this story
Speaker 2: has like warped. Were like hundreds and hundreds and hundred
Speaker 2: of people have been like I was there when who
Speaker 2: Jackie happened? But it's like, no, you weren't. Well is
Speaker 2: that interesting? I have to say for that writer who
Speaker 2: said who did say? Who Jackie? What he needs to
Speaker 2: be is fairly paid on residual thank you. I don't
Speaker 2: know where.
Speaker 3: I don't know where Roseanna is getting played, but that person,
Speaker 3: it's beside the why that person needs to be who
Speaker 3: jack You? Writer needs to be more fairly paid on residuals.
Speaker 3: Did I ever tell you about years ago? I knew
Speaker 3: someone who wrote on Joan Cusack sitcom in the nineties.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: And apparently one day she came into the writer's room
Speaker 3: and was like really frazzled and like not happy with
Speaker 3: what the writers were doing. And they were like why
Speaker 3: and she said, there's just too much conflict. Oh, and
Speaker 3: they said huh. She said, yeah, there's too much conflict.
Speaker 3: Can I just come in and jump on the bed?
Speaker 3: And they're like, Joan, that's not really how like episodic
Speaker 3: television sitcom comedy works, Like there needs to be conflict
Speaker 3: in the episode because that's actually where the comedy comes
Speaker 3: from and that's how storytelling works.
Speaker 2: She's like, well, I don't know. I just want to
Speaker 2: jump on the bed.
Speaker 3: That's the thing is like, when you build the show
Speaker 3: around an actor, sometimes they have actor brain and they
Speaker 3: want to come in and jump on their bed. And
Speaker 3: my other favorite thing, a good friend of ours was
Speaker 3: writing on a show with two actors and she asked
Speaker 3: the vibe of another writer.
Speaker 2: She's like, what do they like? What do they do?
Speaker 2: And the writer says to them, you know, this really
Speaker 2: is just an excuse for them to make their noises.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you off air listen, an actor's brain can
Speaker 2: be so beautiful and so complex, and I will watch
Speaker 2: any after interview, actor, round table, whatever. Sometimes an acter
Speaker 2: brain is so silly, so small and not not a
Speaker 2: dig at John Cusack obvious. No, she's just brains. Oh
Speaker 2: my god. Have we ever talked about kristin the Christian
Speaker 2: shennow with sitcom on NBC? That was Oh gosdy though?
Speaker 2: Was she on that? Was joonk music on that?
Speaker 5: No, she was not on that.
Speaker 2: But I'm just saying, like I I miss when we
Speaker 2: built a sitcom around one person for like a fun voice.
Speaker 3: They had well, stay tuned, stay.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: So I don't think so, honey. I think I'm ready.
Speaker 3: I think I have something that I could do. Want
Speaker 3: to hit my phones here? Oh great, you appeared a
Speaker 3: wild phone appeared, welcome on reference.
Speaker 2: Reference Okay, this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 2: His time starts now.
Speaker 3: I don't think so, honey. The difference and quality between
Speaker 3: the parts of the Caribbean and Walt Disney World and
Speaker 3: the parts of the Caribbean and Disneyland. The Walt Disney
Speaker 3: World one is way superior. I feel bad for all
Speaker 3: of you California girls. The parts of the Caribbean Disneyland
Speaker 3: version takes approximately a half an hour to get through.
Speaker 3: Is five thousand boats that you're constantly jamming up, and
Speaker 3: the animatronics are not giving what the girls are giving.
Speaker 2: In the parts of the Caribbean Orlando.
Speaker 3: Not to lift up any Johnny Depp animatronic, but I'm
Speaker 3: just saying it looked like the real doll. Not to
Speaker 3: call Johnny Depp the doll and uh, but in many
Speaker 3: ways he wasn't walking, talking doll.
Speaker 2: That's what an animatronic is. Okay, that's what a doll is.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: But I will say the parts of the Caribbean and
Speaker 3: Orlando had production value. I couldn't tell where the ceiling
Speaker 3: started and the wall started.
Speaker 2: This is huge.
Speaker 3: It also moves a lot faster. And I'm just saying,
Speaker 3: we got to get through these things, the Disneyland and parts.
Speaker 2: Of the Caribbean.
Speaker 3: Some people that had got on it five years ago
Speaker 3: were still on it. We will never find them. They
Speaker 3: are ghosts, just like Johnny and co. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 3: That's a one minute so that's just something I've realized,
Speaker 3: like because I've been to Disneyland a bunch since living
Speaker 3: in California, and the Pirates of the Caribbean there is
Speaker 3: a miserable experience, whereas yesterday I had a wonderful experience
Speaker 3: on the Pirate's ride.
Speaker 2: I didn't know apparently one of the only haunted rides.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we were told. Did you say they're making
Speaker 2: a movie about the redheaded pirate or is that someone
Speaker 2: we were with. I don't have this insider knowledge.
Speaker 3: So do you remember how a few years ago they
Speaker 3: changed Pirates of the Caribbean from very much rape culture
Speaker 3: to girl boss culture. The way they did that was
Speaker 3: there was a scene where the pirates were auctioning off women.
Speaker 3: There was like an iconic scene in project of it
Speaker 3: was like an auction of women and had red hair. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was very problematic, and so what they've done they
Speaker 3: were selling the red head and after there was uproar
Speaker 3: about this, obviously justifiably, they changed it to the red
Speaker 3: haired woman became a female pirate.
Speaker 2: And she was running the auction. Interesting.
Speaker 3: So then apparently there was supposed to be a movie
Speaker 3: about her, but it's in development. Hell uh huh, we
Speaker 3: know what that likely story, likely story that's coming back.
Speaker 2: Matt said, Oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm bringing back the phrase likely story when it's
Speaker 3: not likely. Okay, so bone Yang, I'm ready to do
Speaker 3: your I don't think so.
Speaker 2: If you're ready to give it, I'm ready to give it.
Speaker 2: And it's I'm going to go there. Oh shit, damn it,
Speaker 2: I'm what about the hand actually, oh jesus me, no, no, no, never,
Speaker 2: you I am famously the hand. No, okay, this is
Speaker 2: ban yangs. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now.
Speaker 2: I don't think so, honey. Disney Contemporary Resort for changing
Speaker 2: its theme to Incredibles, I don't really get it. I
Speaker 2: know that the theme is.
Speaker 5: I know that.
Speaker 2: You know, in seventy one when the park opened, you know,
Speaker 2: this was one of the this was one of the
Speaker 2: starter resorts. This sort opened with the park amazing at
Speaker 2: the time. This was incredibly state of the art, ahead
Speaker 2: of its time aesthetically, and look that aesthetic has remained
Speaker 2: quite timeless. But I think it's sort of it sort
Speaker 2: of cheapens the whole thing. If the aesthetic is frozone
Speaker 2: and Edna mode on every damn wall and the wallpaper
Speaker 2: being Jack Jack and miss is incredible. Alasta Girls. Incredibles
Speaker 2: is one of my favorite movies in all of Disney Pixar.
Speaker 2: I feel like I.
Speaker 3: Cannot really sectomic the colors and the mod theme too much.
Speaker 3: It kind of goes with the temporary but not really
Speaker 3: and that's a minute. Yeah, to be mod and also
Speaker 3: contemporary at the same time is an interesting thing.
Speaker 2: It kind of makes sense, but it kind of doesn't.
Speaker 3: Right. They do love their ip here, I mean everything,
Speaker 3: I get it. I get it too, but I am
Speaker 3: in agreeance with you that it feels odd that everywhere
Speaker 3: you look it's incredible and it makes you feel like
Speaker 3: Ken Incredibles as an ip with stands an entire hotel.
Speaker 2: I suppose yes. I suppose yes, but I listen. I
Speaker 2: would have loved it, and this would have been much
Speaker 2: harder and probably not it would have not hit with
Speaker 2: the kids, with the family staying in this building.
Speaker 3: Right, That's the thing too. We have to remember Disney
Speaker 3: is for kids. Disney's for kids.
Speaker 2: But I and I but I feel like a tron
Speaker 2: thing would have been fun. You literally have the monorail
Speaker 2: come in it. It feels very like, oh my God,
Speaker 2: like the magic. You want to stay in a West
Speaker 2: World hotel. Not necessarily. I'm like, I just think the
Speaker 2: theming is a little off the mark here in this
Speaker 2: particular building, and.
Speaker 3: Wanted to stay at the Four Seasons, and I said, no.
Speaker 2: No, it's no Matt. And this is what I'm not
Speaker 2: biting that. I'm definitely not biting the hand when you're
Speaker 2: the hand you did every Matt planned this trip to perfection.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, this is not a Matt note.
Speaker 3: This is a the building because I saw before they
Speaker 3: re themed best it was a perfectly, lovely, perfectly sort
Speaker 3: of like you know, seventies era hotel. Yeah, and I'm
Speaker 3: like something got lost when they and contemporizing is which
Speaker 3: is a word. Yeah, they committed to the IP thing
Speaker 3: and that's what's contemporary for them. They're doing the IP thing. Sure, sure, sure,
Speaker 3: we have had not only a wonderful trip so far
Speaker 3: that will continue. We're actually we're with Dave Mazzonia right now.
Speaker 3: We're being joined by Studie Green. Later in the week
Speaker 3: we will go enjoy Universal's parks and experiences in a resort.
Speaker 2: The very excited.
Speaker 3: But we have also had a great episode today.
Speaker 2: We've had a great episode today and.
Speaker 3: It's always great to drop in with sister and enjoy
Speaker 3: time together in the same space and get a little
Speaker 3: tactile when need be. Right now, we're actually wearing our
Speaker 3: magic bands, which we've decided are the fashion accessory going forward.
Speaker 3: These magic band pluses. Fireworks going off in the fireworks
Speaker 3: going on. Oh my god, this is truly the finale
Speaker 3: of the episode. There's fireworks going off at the castle.
Speaker 3: Right when I was gonna say that magic ban pluses
Speaker 3: are County. Well, literally that's happened several times. Like we'll
Speaker 3: say like magic bands are cunt and then like the
Speaker 3: fireworks will start, like et cetera. Like that's happened many times.
Speaker 2: Wow, if you say County and and Disney World, there
Speaker 2: will be fireworks, gunfire.
Speaker 3: Oh sorry, sorry, Okay, this has been lost culture essens
Speaker 3: with Matt Rogers and Boon and Yang, and we end
Speaker 3: every episode with a song.
Speaker 2: Love is an open Wow. We can't even get through.
Speaker 2: Are so beef? My life has been a series of
Speaker 2: doors in my face. Then suddenly i'ment inting.
Speaker 4: I was thinking the same thing, because like I've been
Speaker 4: searching my whole life to find my own place. Maybe
Speaker 4: it's the party talking or the Chocolate Fund.
Speaker 2: But with you, But with you, I see your it's
Speaker 2: not not I've never known before.
Speaker 5: Love is an open door. Love is an open Love
Speaker 5: is an open door.
Speaker 4: With you, with you, with you, with you.
Speaker 5: Love is an open door.