WEBVTT - Episode 59: Science Friction 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:02.360 The guys from paying They've kind of shown me how 0:00:02.440 --> 0:00:03.840 much the equipment matters. 0:00:04.120 --> 0:00:05.800 I just love that I can hit any shot. 0:00:05.880 --> 0:00:07.440 I kind of want we're gonna be able to tell 0:00:07.520 --> 0:00:09.520 some fun stories about what goes on here to help 0:00:09.560 --> 0:00:10.879 golfers play better golf. 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:13.920 Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Ping Proven Grounds Podcast. 0:00:13.960 --> 0:00:17.000 I'm Shane Bacon, joined as always by Marty Jerts and Marty. 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:21.280 I want to discuss something with you today that is 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:24.320 mentioned probably one hundred times around from everybody that plays 0:00:24.360 --> 0:00:27.280 golf and maybe isn't quite understood to the level that 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:30.680 maybe would help golfers out there. Let's talk a little 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:34.440 bit about spin today. Spin in friction, specifically with wedges, 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:37.640 and I want to start here, Marty. We talk about spin. 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:41.320 We see spin on videos, like there's some shots that 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:43.360 we saw this year on the PGA Tour, you know, 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:45.479 balls hitting a couple of times in stopping, you know, 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:47.360 some of the great shots we've seen some of the 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:49.760 best players in the world hit all kind of created 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:53.159 with spin, spin back, things that average golfers want to 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:55.600 do more often. But I want to just start with, like, 0:00:55.720 --> 0:00:58.800 where does spin come from? How is spin created for 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:03.080 any golfer, whether it be Victor Hovelin or me or 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:04.560 a twenty five handicap. 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:07.479 Yeah, Shane, I think that's the that's a great place 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:11.039 to start. Like what creates spin? Right, So if you 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:15.480 have an impact or a club with zero loft on it, 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:18.800 and you don't hit up or down on the ball, 0:01:18.880 --> 0:01:23.520 so club's coming in perfectly straight, no loft on it, 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:28.120 all of the energy transfer, the momentum transfer between the 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:31.920 ball and the face will be what's called kind of 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:34.120 normal to the golf ball, or just make the golf 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:37.840 ball translate only so just linearly so it'll come off 0:01:37.840 --> 0:01:42.400 with no spin. So anytime you start introducing an angle there, 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:46.040 which the golf kind of teaching community technical community is 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:49.960 kind of calling spin loft. Now, right, anytime you have 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:54.080 this angle and you have the club moving forward, you're 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:58.760 going to generate kind OF's what's called a tangential force. 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:01.400 So you got to force acting on the golf ball 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:05.600 that's gonna impart ball speed, and then you have a 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:08.600 force that's gonna act on the ball that's gonna kind 0:02:08.639 --> 0:02:14.880 of flick it and put in part rotation onto the 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:18.400 golf ball, and that's what causes spin. So there's ways 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:25.040 to influence how much that tangential force, how big that 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:28.040 tangential force is, And the bigger you can get that 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:31.960 tangential force, the more spin you're gonna put on the 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:35.440 golf ball. And there's some things that can influence that 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:40.760 tangential force. Those are gonna be the club head speed. 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:43.960 So the faster you have the club going, the bigger 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:47.320 that potential you have to get that tangential force, the 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:50.120 more backspin you can put on the golf ball. The 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:54.560 other big one is the coefficient of friction, So the 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:57.200 more friction you can get between the ball and the 0:02:57.240 --> 0:03:01.160 club face, the more potential you have to impart backspin 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:03.720 on the golf ball. And then the angle. There's kind 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:06.560 of this sweet spot here on the angle how much 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:09.639 you open the face, And this is where things get 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:12.600 a little nuanced and a little complicated, because you can 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:16.320 have a higher friction at some angles doesn't change the 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:19.680 spin as much. There's a reason why nobody's playing eighty 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:22.800 degree lob wedges out there, because you actually start to 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:26.160 lose spin over a certain threshold on that angle. So 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:29.399 there's a lot kind of going on in the impact 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:33.000 physics and the microphysics but that's kind of the general 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:36.080 principle of how spin is created, which is really fun 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:37.680 to think about, really fun to think about. 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:41.120 All right, So let's take a high level player. Let's 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:43.640 take somebody that's, you know, tour level or a really 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:46.840 high level amateur player. They're always trying to control spin. 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:48.720 You know, there were so many times I'm calling corn 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:51.400 faery golf and you get a feeling, right, guys in 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:54.040 the middle of fairway, you know, pins in the back 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:56.520 of the green. They've got a short wedge in hand, 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:58.800 but it's a full shot and a lot of the 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:01.360 time you'll hear me say you got to watch the spin, right, 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:02.880 I mean, they can rip that back to the middle 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:04.080 of the green, front of the green, even spin it 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:06.000 off the green. And then on the other side of things, 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:08.560 you've got a high handicap player that's just trying to 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:09.400 spin the golf ball. 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:11.120 Right, they're trying to create spin. 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:15.400 Why does that happen between Why are high level players 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:17.240 that hit the ball a decent amount and can hit 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:21.279 it pretty far can try to control spin while maybe 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:24.160 a shorter hit or higher handicap player is trying to 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:25.599 find spin when they can't get it. 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:30.640 Great question and yes, absolutely, the high level player those 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:35.000 backpins good greens. Okay, so you got good players have 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:37.480 higher club ed speed, so you got that one ingredient 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:40.000 we talked about that have high speed. High speed generally 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:42.080 will generate more spin you have. 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:44.160 Is that just simply is that just just from the 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:46.000 club at speed, Like if you're just breaking it down, 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:48.840 that's simply because you swing a wedge and non iron, 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:51.919 a seven iron faster than the person that does it. 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:53.039 That's just basic it. 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:56.520 Okay, yes, yeah, so that's gonna apply a bigger what's 0:04:56.560 --> 0:04:59.599 called a force vector. So you get a bigger force vector, 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:02.640 you got not only more ball speed, but also more 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:06.279 potential for that tangential forcea to generate more spin on 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:08.200 the ball. So more speed, more spin. It's one of 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:11.279 the benefits of gaining speed is that you can spin 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:14.040 your irons more. Right, if we talk about the the 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:16.640 high handicapped player that needs to spin it more in 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:18.680 a lot of scenarios to stop that ball in the green. 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:21.719 So let's go back to that high elite level tournament player. 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:24.680 They're in that that condition. They got high club ed speed, 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:27.600 so they're trying to either reduce their club ed speed 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:31.240 to reduce the spin. They're playing a high quality golf ball, right, 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:34.599 They're playing a eurothane cover, high quality golf ball. They're 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:40.400 on a well manicured golf course. So they got yes, 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:42.520 you have a tight lie. So when you have a tight, 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:45.960 clean lie, let's assume it's not raining or fuzzy fairways. 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:49.200 You got tight fairways, You're going to have very clean 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:52.640 friction between the ball and the face, the clean contact, 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:55.680 so that's going to help increase the spin. And then 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:59.600 you have you know, maybe fast greens and a pitch green, 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:03.119 and then these players know how to deliver the club 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:05.839 with their wedges to hit kind of that sweet spot 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:08.479 spin loft that's going to maximize spin as well. So 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:10.880 you have a lot of these core ingredients where the 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:16.440 better player, oftentimes especially to those backpins, greens, pitch back 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:19.320 to front, they're trying to figure out how to reduce 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:22.600 their spin. So they can do that by reducing their 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:25.320 club speed a little bit, swing a little slower, right, 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:28.760 they can reduce it by changing their spin loft, maybe 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:32.280 playing a wedge with a little bit less loft on it. 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:35.520 They can change kind of their handle delivery. How much 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:39.480 shaffling there is going into impact, and so players do 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:42.880 this very differently. Some combination of those ingredients are going 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:46.920 to change, you know, help them reduce their spin. Also, 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:50.800 they can hit a club with less loft and reduce 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:54.599 their launch angle, which ultimately what they're trying to do 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:59.280 is change their descent angle. They want that ball coming 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:03.240 in and laying on a shallower angle, and that's going 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:05.000 to help the ball skip a little bit more on 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:06.360 that first bouncer get. 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:09.160 Not get that rip effect like that high and then 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:10.920 it's just ripping back twenty five feet. 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:13.240 Not get that initial rip. So a lot of times 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:15.840 some of those shots shine will will still have very 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:18.640 high spin and us we're kind of calling it and 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:22.400 golf slang. Hey, they're going to reduce their spin. Technically, 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:25.320 they might hit a shot that still has ten eleven 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:29.080 thousand RPMs of spin. They're just controlling their land angle. 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:32.080 Interesting quite a bit, right so, and it's okay to 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:33.840 kind of call it spin. A lot of times they 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:36.280 are actually reducing their spin a little bit. But the 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:38.320 big thing I think that the better players doing in 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:42.400 those scenarios when they're quote unquote controlling their spin is 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:46.520 also just as much reducing the land angle and having 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:48.200 the ball land shallower. 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:51.240 Marty, you're somebody that spends a lot of time on 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:53.960 on not just your own golf game, but understanding golf. 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:56.720 Let's say you've got one hundred and fifteen yards, Like, 0:07:57.480 --> 0:07:59.960 what's your sand wedge stock ten, one fifteen? 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:02.960 What my sam my fifty six bent to fifty five 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:05.880 is right at one fifteen in Phoenix, Arizona gol All right. 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:08.160 Yeap, So so we've we've got one hundred and fifteen yard 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:09.440 backpen for you, Marty. 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:09.880 Yep. 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:12.760 How are you hitting that shot and getting it close? 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:15.480 Obviously factoring and all the things we've already talked about. 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:17.320 I mean, you know your spin, how it's going to 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:20.720 come in. What do you do specifically that maybe somebody 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:22.600 at home could try to work on or put into 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:23.120 their own game. 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:25.960 Yeah. Yeah, So in that scenario, I would usually hit 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:29.040 a gap wedge, which is full out, like one your club. 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:31.360 I'm a club, I'm gonna club up. I'm gonna go 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:33.680 to my one thirty club, which is my gap wedge. 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:36.800 I'm gonna grip down a little bit. I kind of 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:39.520 vary that maybe an inch two inches at the most. 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:41.840 I think some of the better players actually grip down 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:43.480 a little bit more. I need an experiment with that, 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:45.800 but I'm gonna grip down a little bit. Gripping down 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:49.719 a little bit helps me get more shaffling and more handling. 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:53.560 And I also stand closer to the golf ball, so 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:57.160 that also helps me get more shaffling. Right, So those 0:08:57.280 --> 0:09:02.040 variables help me get more shaffling while also uh slowing 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:05.480 my clubhead speed. So so grip down on it, you're 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:08.080 going to deliver less clubhead speed, so less clubheed speed. 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:10.680 We talked about, it's going to reduce your spin. Gripping down, 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:12.800 I can get more shaftling, so I can reduce my 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:16.480 spin lof launch it lower, and that in turn will 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:21.840 reduce the land agle the golf ball. I'm also shamed. 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:24.760 What I do is I narrow my stance. I will 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:28.000 narrow my stance. That will take out This gets into 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:29.920 kind of how you power the golf swing a little bit. 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:33.680 But by narrowing the stance, I reduce how much lateral 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:37.160 force I'm generating in the in the swing. So that's 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:40.720 kind of the step right, step step left powering that 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:43.920 you can use, you know, power the golf swing and 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:46.640 get more club at speed by narrowing your stance, you 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:49.679 reduce that and in part a bigger percentage of your 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:54.120 swing just the twisting force. And so that's a way 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:58.880 that I have found through experimentation and Derek Dominski Golf 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:00.640 better twos on it we've had on the pod is 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:03.960 help at the spin doctor. He also knows how to 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:06.760 take off spin okay, and you know how to generate spin. 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:09.520 He's good at helping that with so a distance control, 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:12.800 stand with the narrow stance, so stand closer, narrow stance, 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:15.800 grip down. Then you know, I kind of as an 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:19.280 experiment a little bit with a little clock system if 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:21.560 you want to from one fifteen. I think if I 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:24.120 do all those things and standing with the very narrow stance, 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:27.080 I actually have a hard time hitting my gap page 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:29.800 past that one fifteen number. So I can go ahead 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:33.200 and swing relatively what I feel like is full, but 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:35.600 I won't have the up and down going. I won't 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:39.960 have the left right. It'll be all twisting force, twisting power, 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:42.760 a rotational power and hit that one fifteen number. 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:44.959 Yeah, you know what's interesting you say that, Marty, I 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:47.200 mean something I find myself struggling with when I do 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:48.800 what you're talking about because I do a lot of 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:50.840 what you said, and I think I might even do 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:52.160 it when I don't know i'm doing it. I think 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:54.320 I do the narrow stance. I mean I take more 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:56.160 club a lot when I'm trying to hit kind of 0:10:56.160 --> 0:10:58.640 the driving wedge into the back pin or whatever. One 0:10:58.640 --> 0:11:01.160 thing I do find is a lot of the time 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:03.040 I'll hit the shot, it'll land short of where I 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:06.079 wanted it to, and I'll think to myself, you know, at. 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:06.720 Least hit it. 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:09.400 But to your point, it makes sense if you're you know, 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:11.040 if you're narrow in the stance and you know you're 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:13.760 doing certain things that are going to take distance off 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:16.599 a full shot anyway, reminding yourself that now all of 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:18.320 a sudden, a full golf shot is going to go 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:20.440 to that pen versus if you're trying to hit the 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:21.560 thing full out one third. 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:23.720 Yeah, Shane, If you have a home launch monitor, this 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:25.480 this is a great test and for the listener that 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:26.880 wants to do this. If you have a little home 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:29.120 launch monitor, next time you have access to get on 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:32.120 a launch monitor, do this test where you hit some 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:35.360 wedges with literally your feet together. Okay, so stand with 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:38.280 your feet literally touching or maybe one ball with the 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:40.320 part or something like that. I like to look and 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:43.920 judge my stance with by how far apart my heels 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:47.000 are with my golf shoes. So just stand one inch apart, 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:50.000 a couple of golf balls apart, and swing literally as 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:52.600 hard as you can and measure how far it goes. 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:55.800 Do that with your wedges and you can see everyone's 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:57.760 gonna be a little bit different. But you can kind 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:01.120 of have that as a little hacked control how far 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:03.640 you hit your wedges, and that way, Shane, you get 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:06.920 to you get to that environment where maybe you got 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:09.760 one twenty and you but you can't go long, Like 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:11.960 you're dead if you go long. But the same time, 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:13.679 you got a wedge in your hand, let's try to 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:16.720 make a birdie. I mean that is a great scenario. 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:20.840 I think the best wedge players and we're talking about 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:24.000 looking at stats from the tour players. I mean, we've 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:27.240 done really cool analysis that you know, Victor's a little 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:30.400 bit like this when he gets on he's very aggressive. 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:31.920 We saw him do this last year at the end 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:35.920 of the playoffs. Yep back pins. He got very aggressive 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:39.440 to those and he had the ability to control that distance. 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:43.200 We've seen this from the likes of Justin Thomas, very 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:46.880 aggressive wedge player. Maybe one out of ten shots he 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:49.120 will short sight himself, but he can lean on short 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:52.720 game to get that ball up and down. But you don't, 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:54.480 you know, I think in order to get better at 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:57.120 the game, it's okay to kind of have some skills 0:12:57.160 --> 0:12:59.559 in there with your wedges where you can get more aggressive, 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:02.160 you know, and and get that ball close to the 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:04.320 whole if you can control the spin in the trajectory. 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:07.680 Yeah, Marty, I remember, and you'll remember this moment. But 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:10.560 it was two thousand. Tiger ran down gogle, remember at 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:12.400 Pebble Beach and he was on that lone of winds. 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:15.440 And I remember I had an instructor in Shreveport, Louisiana 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:17.040 that i'd go see, you know, once in a month 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:19.199 or something. I was playing junior golf and trying to 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:20.440 play a jaga stuff like that. 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:22.200 Tiger hold that wedge. 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:24.480 Oh, and I remember I hit pitching wedge from I 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:26.319 think it was one hundred and eight yards. It was 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:28.839 a back a location and he hold the wedge. I 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:31.000 remember I went to Peter the next week and said, 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:32.040 how do you hit that shot? 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:32.439 Yeah? 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:34.440 And so much Marty of what he told me at 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:36.880 that time, you know, twenty four years ago, is a 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:38.360 lot of what you said. It was weight on the 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:41.040 front foot, it was narrow in the stands. It wasn't 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:43.000 you know, turning as much. It was kind of like 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:45.120 allowing the arms to do a lot of the work 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:47.440 because you are taking distance off, but you're also taking 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:49.640 spin off. And that was obviously a shot. Tiger was 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:51.760 very comfortable hitting, and he knew that if you went 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:54.320 full boar at a sandwich from one o eight, the 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:56.520 likelihood that thing ripping all the way off those pebble 0:13:56.559 --> 0:13:59.000 beach greens was going to happen. So it's just so 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:01.800 interesting that some of those is a characteristics still kind 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:04.840 of play. So now we talked about controlling the spin 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:08.319 for the you know, the high speed, low handicap player. 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:09.800 What about the players that come to you and say 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:11.120 I want to spin the golf ball more. 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:14.120 Yes, So there's a couple ingredients here. Let's go back 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:18.160 to those fundamentals speed. So you know, it's okay to 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:20.560 kind of swing full, to spin your wedges. For the 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:22.280 every day player. You don't want to overswing, you want 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:24.760 to swing within control and things that nature on your wedges, 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:26.360 but don't be afraid to take a full swing at 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:31.000 it your equipment side. So we need you know, high 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:35.240 performance wedges, all the friction technology that we have in 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:37.480 ours one fifty nine. You need to be playing a 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:40.000 golf ball that gives you the potential to spin the ball. 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:43.280 I think that's one big thing that the high handicap 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:46.200 player is not playing a golf ball that spins a lot. 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:48.320 We have Balnamic and we can help out get you 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:50.320 in a golf ball that spins a lot around the greens. 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:53.000 We actually have that as a question in Balnamic, Right, 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:54.960 do you want to spin your wedges with your full 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:58.120 shots green side shots. We can help recommend a golf 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:01.880 ball club combination that it gives you potential for generating 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:06.200 a lot of friction. Then a big thing is being 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:10.800 able to uh get a little more dynamic uh shaftling. 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:12.640 So right again we talked about that. 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:15.040 So that's your your hands are in front of your 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:17.200 your basically hands are well in front of and theory 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:18.280 well in front of impact. 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:21.600 Yes, you want your hands leaning that shafter being in 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:25.120 front of it at impact, Shane. So there's a lot 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:27.640 of high handicap golfers out there that set up maybe 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:30.080 a little weaker grip and the hands on there on 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:33.240 when they set up to a wedge, the handle is back, 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:35.800 it's like pointed at their belly button. Right then you 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:38.480 see the really good wedge players have the hands a 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:41.880 little bit forward and the even at address. That would 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:44.720 be my advice for the high handicap golfer. Don't be 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:47.920 afraid to have, you know, have your hands forward, pressed 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:50.520 so to speak, a little bit and experiment with that. 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:52.680 Go one inch more, go two inch more, go three 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:57.280 inches more. Watch that launch window come down and your 0:15:57.320 --> 0:16:00.400 spin should increase right along with it. What you're doing there, 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:02.960 from a physics standpoint, is getting more into the sweet 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:06.520 spot of that spin loft. So don't be afraid to 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:09.760 swing full. Get the right equipment. You gotta have wedges 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:13.280 that give you the potential for friction high spin. You 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:15.400 want to play a golf ball that has that potential, 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:18.720 and then get a little more shaft lean and that's 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:21.320 going to help you get more in that optimal window 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:23.200 to be able to generate some spin with your full 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:26.040 swing on your wedges. Obviously, you got to make clean contacts. 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:28.560 That's a skill you gotta work on. That's a skill 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:32.480 you gotta work on, and and and and try to perfect. 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:34.680 Is you want to put a little bite on your 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:35.440 wedges out there? 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:38.080 Is there a part of the club you should be hitting, 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:40.520 like lower on the face of a wedge, middle of 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:42.600 the face, sweet spot, Like is there a part of 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:44.840 the golf club that creates more spin for players? 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:47.440 Yeah? Oh, that's a fun topic because this is a 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:50.280 very hot topic in the teaching and coaching world. Okay, yeah, 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:52.800 maybe four or five six years ago, still is today. 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:55.160 But you know, we got a lot of times we 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:57.400 get asked these questions from the teachers. Let's go to 0:16:57.480 --> 0:16:59.680 ping and and and they'll have the answers, and so 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:02.640 this is a really fun one, Shane. Everyone kind of thought, 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:05.639 and some other companies are talking about, oh, I'm going 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:08.159 to have high cg wedges and things of this nature 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:11.720 because we all rightly, so we know that when we 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:14.360 hit low on the face on our driver three would 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:17.440 we get that low launch, high spin, ballooning shot, right, 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:21.439 So it seems very logical to think that in wedges 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:23.240 you'd want to do the same thing. Let me hit 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:25.679 low on the face, because when I do that on 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:28.960 a driver launches low with high spin. That's what I'm 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:31.359 trying to do on my wedges, same thing will happen. 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:31.680 Right. 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:35.359 This is very interesting and very nuanced. Here is that 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:39.160 actually we do see and it is correct that when 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:42.679 you hit low on the face that's generally correlated with 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:48.119 higher spin. Right. So the question is why does that happen. 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:51.040 Is it from the same causal reason that you get 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:54.680 this gear effect on a driver and that somehow again 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:57.560 we're going back to what we first started with in part, 0:17:57.760 --> 0:18:00.840 a bigger tangential force to get the ball spin. And 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:03.480 the answer is no, it's not from the gear effect. 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:07.479 But when golfers hit the ball lower on the face 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:11.720 with their wedges, you get less debris, You get less matter, 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:16.600 less water, less dirt that gets picked up in the incher. 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:20.199 Two of you coming in to hit the golf ball. 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:21.919 Let's say you're hitting the ball off the ground or 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:26.240 even a nice clean lie, You're going to pick up 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:31.800 little grass clippings, little pieces of moisture, debris, dust, dirt 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:33.639 are going to get between the ball and the club face. 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:36.040 The lower you can hit the ball in the face, 0:18:36.760 --> 0:18:39.480 it means the less of that debris you're picking up. 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:43.320 The higher you're coefficient of friction, the more potential you 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:46.240 have to spin the golf ball. So it is true 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:50.119 that we generally see a correlation. The best teachers are 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:52.800 kind of teaching it, the best players are kind of practicing. 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:56.560 Hitting the ball lower on the face gives you potential 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:59.400 for more spin. The reason is not from the gear 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:03.080 effect like a driver would. The reason is actually because 0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:05.960 you're getting better friction and having less debris and matter 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:08.080 between the ball and the club face. Now, that's a 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:10.200