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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Ping Proven Grounds Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Shane Bacon, joined as always by Marty Jerts and Marty.

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Speaker 1: I want to discuss something with you today that is

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Speaker 1: maybe would help golfers out there. Let's talk a little

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Speaker 1: bit about spin today. Spin in friction, specifically with wedges,

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Speaker 1: and I want to start here, Marty. We talk about spin.

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Speaker 1: We see spin on videos, like there's some shots that

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Speaker 1: some of the great shots we've seen some of the

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Speaker 1: where does spin come from? How is spin created for

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Shane, I think that's the that's a great place

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Speaker 3: to start. Like what creates spin? Right, So if you

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Speaker 3: all of the energy transfer, the momentum transfer between the

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Speaker 3: with no spin. So anytime you start introducing an angle there,

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Speaker 3: which the golf kind of teaching community technical community is

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Speaker 3: kind of calling spin loft. Now, right, anytime you have

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Speaker 3: going to generate kind OF's what's called a tangential force.

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Speaker 3: So you got to force acting on the golf ball

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Speaker 3: to influence how much that tangential force, how big that

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Speaker 3: golf ball. And there's some things that can influence that

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Speaker 3: So the faster you have the club going, the bigger

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Speaker 1: All right, So let's take a high level player. Let's

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Speaker 1: You know, there were so many times I'm calling corn

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Speaker 1: Why does that happen between Why are high level players

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Speaker 1: Marty, you're somebody that spends a lot of time on

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Speaker 1: Let's say you've got one hundred and fifteen yards, Like,

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, So in that scenario, I would usually hit

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Speaker 3: Yes, you want your hands leaning that shafter being in

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Speaker 3: the reason why is because today's nine iron pitching wedge

435
00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:44,840
Speaker 3: has the loft of yesterday's eight iron. Yeah, so they

436
00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,960
Speaker 3: actually talk about the same kind of loft scenario. But

437
00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:49,840
Speaker 3: the place in the bag where you get a really

438
00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,800
Speaker 3: big jumper flyer where the spin is reduced, the ball

439
00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:56,840
Speaker 3: launches high low spin, especially in the Bermuda like like

440
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Speaker 3: lighter Bermuda scenarios where you get a super fly is

441
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,200
Speaker 3: around that pitching wedge or nine iron, And that's because

442
00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,240
Speaker 3: you're gonna get a lot You're gonna get grass between

443
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Speaker 3: the ball and the face before you hit.

444
00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:08,320
Speaker 2: The golf ball.

445
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,680
Speaker 3: Okay, So that grass gets and it has a little

446
00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,760
Speaker 3: moisture to it as well, so it's a grass water

447
00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:18,440
Speaker 3: combination is getting between the ball in the club face.

448
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,480
Speaker 3: And if you know, we're doing everything we can in

449
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,880
Speaker 3: the design of our grooves and our finishes to get

450
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Speaker 3: that to get that out of the way and get

451
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Speaker 3: better compliance between the ball and the face to reduce

452
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Speaker 3: your flyer. Now, you can't always get one hundred percent

453
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Speaker 3: of that out of there, depending on the lines and

454
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Speaker 3: the conditions, So depend on your golf ball, depend on

455
00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,120
Speaker 3: the type of lie, depend on how you deliver it.

456
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Speaker 3: That's going to give you a higher launch, lower spin

457
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,359
Speaker 3: it's where that tangential force that generates the backspin actually

458
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 3: gets reduced and more of the It changes the force

459
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Speaker 3: vector acting on the ball to be more up and

460
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 3: that's why you launch it high.

461
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Speaker 2: Okay.

462
00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:02,280
Speaker 3: So anytime there's a reduction backspin, almost always for clubs

463
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 3: above like a seven iron, it'll be correlated with increased launch.

464
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 3: So you get that high launch, low spin and when

465
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 3: you get it with the pitching wedge of nine iron

466
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,679
Speaker 3: can be very dangerous, right, So that's one thing to

467
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,400
Speaker 3: be aware of of where that big flyer comes from. Now,

468
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Speaker 3: what I do to kind of negate that Shane is

469
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:22,880
Speaker 3: I will a it's a course, it's a strategy thing.

470
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Speaker 3: So if you're in a nine iron pitching wedge scenario,

471
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Speaker 3: you got water penalty, something long, you gotta be careful.

472
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,400
Speaker 3: So you gotta kind of know, Okay, I'm gonna hedge

473
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Speaker 3: it in this scenario, head to my bets on coming

474
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Speaker 3: up short. I will quite often open the face on

475
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 3: the nine iron or the wedge a lot so I

476
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 3: can add more loft to it. Don't be afraid to

477
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 3: steal swing hard club down in those scenarios and be

478
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,440
Speaker 3: aware of what's gonna happen. I usually stand closer open

479
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 3: the face, make sure I deliver the face very open

480
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 3: to the path, and try to keep a plenty of

481
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,920
Speaker 3: a kind of spin loft on that particular golf shot.

482
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 3: Right now. There's other scenario, Shane, where if you have

483
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Speaker 3: a lie in the rough, and maybe it's a four

484
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 3: iron or a five iron, that's a scenario where it's

485
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Speaker 3: actually on the other side of what's called spin loft mountain.

486
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Speaker 3: And that's a scenario where the timing of the forces

487
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 3: that impact are such that you can actually get an

488
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 3: increase in spin, lower launch, and an increase in spin

489
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 3: on those clubs. So you'll think a lot of golfers

490
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 3: are like, oh, there's a flyer lie with my five

491
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,120
Speaker 3: iron here. They'll hit a shot, it'll launch kind of low,

492
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:32,399
Speaker 3: you know, kind of balloon a little bit and come

493
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 3: up short, and they're like, I thought that was a flyer. Well,

494
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,479
Speaker 3: actually it was. It was a flyer that manifests itself

495
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 3: in lower launch and increase in spin based on where

496
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,120
Speaker 3: it was and kind of the friction impact physics part

497
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Speaker 3: of the of the curve here. So those are some

498
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 3: general things that can happen. I think a good rule

499
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,919
Speaker 3: of thumb. For the everyday golfer, seven iron and above,

500
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 3: you're gonna get a lower spin, and the biggest impact

501
00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 3: that could have for you is generally around nine iron

502
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,880
Speaker 3: or pitching wedge seven iron in below you're gonna get

503
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 3: You're gonna your flyer a lot of times can respond

504
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 3: in a way that can increase your spin. It gets

505
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,679
Speaker 3: a little more nuanced to that, even Shane, because your

506
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 3: golf ball needs to travel through grass as it gets

507
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 3: out into the air. So it's very depending on the

508
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 3: type of rough.

509
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Speaker 1: All right, So here's a question for you, because we're

510
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 1: talking about rough and we're talking about contact, and a

511
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 1: lot of the time you're in rough and you're just

512
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 1: trying to kind of maybe get the ball out. You're

513
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: trying to get the ball back and play, trying to

514
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 1: get the ball around the green. You mentioned, you know,

515
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Speaker 1: you've got a backpin or you've got a flyer, and

516
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,679
Speaker 1: there's trouble long you're basically okay with the fact that

517
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 1: the ball's gonna come up short.

518
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 2: One thing I do see a lot.

519
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Speaker 1: Of the the everyday golfer due that I'm not I

520
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 1: don't quite understand why it happens, but I see It

521
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 1: happen a lot is they'll be in trouble, There'll be trees, branches,

522
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 1: stuff in front of them, They'll be in rough, and

523
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 1: a lot of the time they'll hit it and it'll

524
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,120
Speaker 1: hit the branch up in front of them.

525
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 3: Yep.

526
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 2: Why why is it that the ball's kind.

527
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 1: Of sent up even with maybe a six iron, seven

528
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 1: iron something like that. And how can a everyday average

529
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: player combat that when they are in trouble, they are

530
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 1: out of position, they are in rough, trying to get

531
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,640
Speaker 1: the ball under something. How do they combat that ball

532
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 1: kind of flipping up into the sky and hitting the

533
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:12,679
Speaker 1: trouble that they're trying to avoid.

534
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, Shane, I mean not only this is that's not

535
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 3: a problem and only for the every day golfer. I

536
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 3: mean I think the tire you do it all the time.

537
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 3: You're like, oh man, that's.

538
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 2: Marty.

539
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 1: Last year, I was playing a qualifier in Connecticut First Hills,

540
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 1: a par five out of bounds literally both sides, like

541
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 1: five yards off the fairway, and it was maybe five

542
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: to eighty and it was kind of cold. I'm like,

543
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 1: all right, listen, I'm not hitting driver here. I'm gonna

544
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 1: hit like I'm gonna crossover in the fairway. I'm gonna

545
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 1: basically play for the layup. I pulled the layup a

546
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: little bit right, and you know the branches that you

547
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: don't even see in your train when you're when you're you're, you're,

548
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: you're taking a couple of practice wings.

549
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 3: I've done this.

550
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 2: Oh, ball crawls.

551
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 1: The face of the wedge hits the branch right in

552
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: front of me, and I'm sitting there going, well, I

553
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: guess I'm making six to open the golf.

554
00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it happens to us all the time.

555
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 3: I've done it. There's a hole it of course I play.

556
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 3: It's a par three. If you miss it over to

557
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 3: the right, there's a tree, branches and you'll you'll have

558
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 3: you be like, I'm just gonna pitch it on with

559
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 3: my lob weedge, not a problem. And if but if

560
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 3: you launch it at like fifty degrees, you're gonna hit

561
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 3: this tree. It's usually, oh, there's no big deal. Hit

562
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 3: this pitch shot. You can feel it. You can feel

563
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 3: getting back to why this happens, grasp between the ball

564
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 3: and the face, and what happens in that scenario is

565
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 3: the ball has no stick. So when the ball impacts

566
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,199
Speaker 3: the face what you want it to do, and what

567
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 3: feels really good is the golfer is that the ball

568
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 3: sticks on the face. Okay, right, So the ball's either

569
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 3: slipping so it's slipping up the face. So if you

570
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 3: had no friction and loft on the club, the ball

571
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 3: would slip all the way up right and it would

572
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 3: launch very very high with very little spin. If you

573
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 3: had maximum friction, tons of friction spikes on the face right,

574
00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 3: the ball would stick instantly. And the ball is kind

575
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 3: of viscous a little bit, it's kind of wobbling on

576
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 3: the face, but that would that would take on more

577
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 3: of the of the angle of attack of the club,

578
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 3: less of the loft, so it launched lower and once

579
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 3: that ball left the face out tons of spins. Those

580
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 3: are the two extremes. So what you're feeling in those

581
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 3: scenarios when you're trying to pitch the ball out of

582
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:24,199
Speaker 3: the trees, keep it under stuff and void embarrassment for

583
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 3: us better players is you don't want that ball slipping

584
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 3: up the face. And that's what's happening. Grass is getting

585
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,439
Speaker 3: between there the balls slipping up the face and just

586
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 3: launching super high with very little spin. So Yeah, it's

587
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 3: it's it's it's practicing, it's shaffling, it's it's the right

588
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 3: club selection, uh, to be able to practice those scenarios.

589
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 3: This is this is where actually you're having your punch

590
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 3: out game is a legitimate skill.

591
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 1: Shout out, Shout out a man that is retired from

592
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 1: the game. Shout out, my goodness. Okay, so we talked

593
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Speaker 1: rough in terms of spin and friction. I want to

594
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: go to bunker play because we watch professional golf on

595
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: a weekly basis on TV. These dudes, I think the

596
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 1: most impressive part of pro golf, in my opinion, is

597
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: how good they are out of bunkers. And we hear

598
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 1: announcer state it all the time. They'd rather be in

599
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: a bunker than in the rough. But these pro players

600
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 1: will hit the shots that'll hit and just stop. They'll

601
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: hit the bunker shots that hit.

602
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 2: And rip back.

603
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: They'll hit all sorts of different shots. How are they

604
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 1: creating that amount of spin in a short sided scenario

605
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 1: out of a greenside bunker? And how can players that

606
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 1: maybe strug out of the bunkers or just trying to

607
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: create spin out of bunkers, how can they mimic?

608
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 2: At best?

609
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: They can what a pro can do out of the

610
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: bunkers to create that level of spin in friction.

611
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great another fun to think about. So

612
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 3: let's kind of think about this theoretically, is like, what

613
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,959
Speaker 3: is happening there when you hit a bunker shot? Is

614
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 3: the club actually hitting the ball or not? Right?

615
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 2: I mean most of the time no, right, yeah, slapper,

616
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 2: they'll say it.

617
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So what is the golf ball scene and

618
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 3: what forces are acting on the golf ball?

619
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 2: Right?

620
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 3: So the tour player week in and week out, they're

621
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 3: playing in very good bunker conditions, nice pretty fine sand,

622
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 3: generally pretty firm, not to powdery unless it's a very

623
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 3: penalizing course or with jack doesn't memorial or something like that. Right,

624
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 3: They're playing in bunker conditions where you got nice sand

625
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 3: that if you if you have the right technique. And

626
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 3: again we'll talk about a lot of speed. Actually the

627
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 3: sand is what's acting on the golf ball, and that

628
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 3: sand has a has a level of abrasiveness that can

629
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 3: generate a lot take a lot of the the force

630
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 3: that you're that you're applying through the club traveling through

631
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 3: the sand and acting a little bit like sand paper

632
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 3: to be honest with you, Okay, So it's very abrasive.

633
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 3: It's like it's like sand instead of your club face.

634
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 3: It's a little bit like sand paper swiping across the

635
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 3: bottom of the golf ball. Right, So with the right technique,

636
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 3: which is getting the amount the face is open, controlling

637
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 3: your low point, your attack going through there combined Shane,

638
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 3: I'll go back to this again. A lot of club

639
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 3: eddspeed the tour players many do. They're almost swinging maximum

640
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 3: on a lot of green side shots right totally the

641
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 3: face wide open. Sometimes it's it's more than ninety degrees

642
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 3: open literally right when they set up to it. At

643
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 3: least not delivered to the golf ball, but they got

644
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 3: that face filaid open their swing, their swing speeds very high.

645
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 3: They're hitting relatively close to the golf ball, closer than

646
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 3: the average every day player be comfortable with. And then

647
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 3: effectively in good bunker conditions, it's like they're hitting the

648
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 3: golf ball with sandpaper, right, And that abrasive interaction is

649
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 3: what's taking putting a big tangential force. That force is

650
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 3: going to create a lot of spin on the golf ball.

651
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Speaker 3: So the everyday player to do that, you got to

652
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Speaker 3: get comfortable opening the face. You got to get comfortable

653
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Speaker 3: hitting a little closer to the golf ball, and you've

654
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Speaker 3: got to get comfortable swinging hard. Right, So those three

655
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Speaker 3: in radients are kind of fun to experiment with if

656
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Speaker 3: that's something you're interested in putting a little sizzle out

657
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Speaker 3: of the bunker.

658
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's so interesting. You mentioned, you know,

659
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Speaker 1: the face being open. I mean, I open mind to

660
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Speaker 1: your point. I mean, I've got it as open as

661
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: it can be when I get into those bunkers. I'm

662
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Speaker 1: sure the exact same way. It's like just what you

663
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Speaker 1: have to do to create what you're trying to accomplish, right, Yeah,

664
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Speaker 1: And so often I see players, you know, ten twelve,

665
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: fifteen hindiccap players getting to a bunker. Their stance is

666
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: very square, like set up like a full golf shot.

667
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's barely opened, if at all, the

668
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: face is barely open, very very square. And I will,

669
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Speaker 1: and I'm not I'm not very good at explaining like

670
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Speaker 1: instruction to players. I try at times, but it's not

671
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Speaker 1: something I find myself being very good at or accomplishing well.

672
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Speaker 1: But you know, I will try to talk people like

673
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Speaker 1: keep open in the face and they'll open it like

674
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Speaker 1: two degrees.

675
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

676
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Speaker 1: I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, keep opening in that

677
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: thing to a point where you think you're not going

678
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: to hit the golf ball, you know what I mean.

679
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Speaker 1: That's where we're starting from. One thing I did want

680
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Speaker 1: to ask about in terms of the spin and technique

681
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: right now is I do feel like there was a

682
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: time where every pro like if the if the whole

683
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: locations at twelve o'clock on a clock, their feet are

684
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: shot at let's say two thirty and they're kind of

685
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: cutting across it and creating that level of spin. It

686
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: feels like they've changed and moved away from that. It's

687
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: a little more square for the players.

688
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 2: Why is that?

689
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Speaker 3: I Yeah, no, Shane, I kind of agree with that.

690
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 3: I think the classic old bunker technique was like, am

691
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 3: pretty good, laughed, open the face, swipe across it. There

692
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Speaker 3: you go. I think there's been a lot of instructors

693
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 3: that have been able to inform players kind of angle

694
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 3: of attack, their vertical vertical swing plane, and have some

695
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 3: ingredients for different type of short game shots, including you

696
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 3: see some tour players stand a little bit closed, right, they'll.

697
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 2: Stay to see that.

698
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 3: Yes, it is really crazy. But there's I think now

699
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 3: more than ever, there's a bigger variety in bunker techniques. Okay,

700
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 3: I think there's a bigger variety of bunker techniques. I

701
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 3: think some the study of of of Sevy by Asteros

702
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Speaker 3: Out of the Bunker, I think was a big part

703
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Speaker 3: of this and kind of informed some of the top teachers,

704
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 3: and then and then as they started working on this,

705
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 3: I think they found that there you can the ingredients

706
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 3: for good bunker players are are more broad than other

707
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 3: skills in the game. Right, There's different ways you can

708
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 3: get that that the club use the club loft, use

709
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 3: the angle of attack, uh, marry that with the type

710
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 3: of bunkers, in the type of sands you're playing with,

711
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 3: and have just more options for different type of shots

712
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 3: around the green, some of which give you a bigger

713
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 3: margin of error. Right. And I think that's the beauty

714
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 3: of bunker play is that I think if you can

715
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Speaker 3: dial in your technique, you actually because you're not actually

716
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 3: hitting the ball, it's the one place unless you're hitting

717
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 3: the ball out of the water, uh, that you're not

718
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 3: actually you don't actually have to hit the golf ball.

719
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Speaker 3: You actually can have a very decent margin margin vair. Right,

720
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 3: you have those bunker shots, Shane. We had one in

721
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 3: our match where I had a shot on the eleventh

722
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 3: hole there that is at Astancia, and I could have

723
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 3: chunk and runned it and just pretended like I meant

724
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 3: to do it. I could offend it would have flew

725
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 3: to the hole and spun and it would have made

726
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 3: me look good. Right. So I think a good bunker

727
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 3: technique gives you a lot of margin prayer, and I

728
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 3: think that's what the coaches and players are finding with

729
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 3: some of those techniques where you don't need to stand

730
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 3: thirty degrees open with the face so much open and

731
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:30,280
Speaker 3: cut across it anymore.

732
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: What's the biggest enemy to spin? I know you've done

733
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 1: so many studies on this. Is it grass on the face?

734
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: Is it water on the face? Is it sand?

735
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Speaker 2: Like?

736
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Speaker 1: What's the biggest enemy for golfers when they're just simply

737
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: trying to spin the golf ball?

738
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it generally would be grass between the ball

739
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 3: and the club face. Because we've we've done some We

740
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 3: just did a recent study my colleague doctor Paul Wood.

741
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 3: It kind of was kicked off with with Joe Mayo

742
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 3: and Victor Hovelin and just think just understanding how much

743
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 3: does the golfer impact the ground even you know, on

744
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 3: pitch shots, right in eighty five percent of pitch shots

745
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 3: have some level across the sweep of all skill levels,

746
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 3: the club is interacting with the ground, the grass of

747
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 3: the debris before you hit the ball. Even if you

748
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 3: you hit it low on the face, it gets that

749
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 3: clippy sound, or you have high spin to some degree,

750
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 3: you've got some grass between the golf golf on the

751
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 3: club face. So so that is that's the main one

752
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 3: from you know, things you can't control, and then things

753
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 3: you can, Shane is is your golf ball selection and

754
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 3: your wedge selection, right those are going to give you

755
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 3: the potential to generate a lot of spin. Always clean

756
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 3: your grooves too, Like I even get lazy with that

757
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 3: a little bit.

758
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: I mean, like like Marty, if you watch the tour

759
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: players videos now on you on like Instagram and stuff

760
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: like that, they all now have the belt clip with

761
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: the brush, They've all got the alignment stick stuck in

762
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 1: the ground and they're practice and batal And I mean

763
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: if you ever have a track man or foresight or

764
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: anything like that and you're hitting golf shots in front of.

765
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 2: It to hit a shot.

766
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: It's worth your time hitting a shot with a dirty

767
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: club face, Just so you understand a thirty yard pitch shot,

768
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: the difference of of like club interaction and what the

769
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,240
Speaker 1: grooves can do to the golf ball versus what happens

770
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: when you have a clean golf club. It is astonishing.

771
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: You will never hit another shot in your life with

772
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: dirty grooves when you're playing. If it matters to you,

773
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 1: if you see those numbers in front of your face.

774
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 3: Absolutely yeah, you're gonna you're gonna get that slip. You're

775
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 3: gonna get that slip. You're not gonna be leveraging the

776
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 3: technology that we put in there to use the grooves

777
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 3: like treads on a tire is a good way to

778
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,919
Speaker 3: think about. It's like an all weather tire. You want

779
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 3: to get the debris, the grass, everything out of the way.

780
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 3: So that's that's great advice. I've I really like the

781
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 3: retractable club scrubber you can put on your pat Now.

782
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 2: I do it.

783
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 3: I do it at the range. I absolutely love it.

784
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 1: All right, So when you're out playing golf and you're

785
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: playing in an outing or a pro am or something

786
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: like that, and you get a guy that you can

787
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: tell plays of golf. Yeah, and their wedges you can

788
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,919
Speaker 1: tell have been in the back for two years? Does

789
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 1: it like kill you inside? Like how how many holes

790
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: are you playing? Until you go, hey, man, listen, you

791
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:11,959
Speaker 1: gotta get some new wedges, Like what are we doing here?

792
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: I do feel like it's grips and wedges that golfers

793
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: refuse to replace when they are so important to the

794
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,280
Speaker 1: way you're able to go about your business.

795
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I love Shane. I got a technique I

796
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 3: use where I can I can hit kind of pretty

797
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 3: high launch. Uh not not quite as good as h

798
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 3: as Derek Dominski, but I got a high launch technique

799
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 3: where I can put a lot of spin on it.

800
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 3: So I just wait for that one time I missed

801
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 3: the green, or I'm on the par five and I

802
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 3: got a tuck pin and it hit my high saucy

803
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 3: one up there and I get that white mark on

804
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 3: the face. Yep, you know, and you just go over

805
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 3: to him and say, hey, you know this. Yeah, you

806
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 3: know that's how that works. You know. They think I

807
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 3: got some type of magic technique or something, but UT

808
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 3: new what's I like? But yeah, you can tell you

809
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 3: can tell where those players you get them in some

810
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 3: challenging in green side positions and their equipment won't allow

811
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 3: them to hit the shot. And I think that's going

812
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 3: back to one of your questions you started with is

813
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 3: how can the high handicap or do things that the

814
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 3: tour player wants to do. You have to have the equipment,

815
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 3: you know, so you have to have our latest technology

816
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 3: and our grooves friction design, all the engineering we put

817
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 3: in the face to help you you increase that tangential

818
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,720
Speaker 3: force to get more spin on the golf ball, clean

819
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 3: your grooves before you hit your webshot or your pitch

820
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 3: shot or spin's going to be important. And play a

821
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 3: golf ball that gives you potential to marry with that

822
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 3: as well.

823
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: I know this is a ping podcast, and I know

824
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: you and I both work alongside paying, but the S

825
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: one to fifty nine's, in my opinion, are some of

826
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: the best wedges that I've ever seen, ever played.

827
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Speaker 2: I've been obsessed with them.

828
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, So if you're ever in the market, I mean,

829
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: you know, go give them a look, practice them, go

830
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: hit them on a driving range. I can guarantee you

831
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Speaker 1: that you'll fall in love with them as well, because

832
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: you know, I mean it's all the the idea of

833
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 1: any golf company is just trying to make people play

834
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 1: better golf, right. I mean that's when you think about

835
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: the ethost of everything. It's like, how can we get

836
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: you to be better at this sport? How can we

837
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 1: get you to intubate a little bit more? And these wedges,

838
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,439
Speaker 1: you know, wedges are the forgotten part of the golf bag, right,

839
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 1: and having something that looks good, performs good, is good,

840
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,240
Speaker 1: is a lot of fun to have in the bag,

841
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 1: and you know is going to be as good as

842
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: anything out there on the market. It's gonna, you know,

843
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: help the confidence and help you save a few extra

844
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: pars when you miss golf shots, because we all miss

845
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: golf shots.

846
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 3: Right, absolutely, Shane. I think in wedges it's you know,

847
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people, you know, they want

848
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 3: to get more spin. So we got high friction club phase,

849
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 3: we got hydro pearl, hydrophobic finish, we got optimized grooves

850
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 3: with tight edge radius. We've engineered the surface to get

851
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 3: more friction. So it's like, okay, our wedges give you

852
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 3: potential to generate tons of spin, which I absolutely love.

853
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 3: And then the two hardest parts about getting into the

854
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 3: right wedges are the gapping in the grinds right, and

855
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 3: so we made webfoit wedge. It's been used by over

856
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty thousand people at this point in

857
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 3: time since we launched it, so we're helping a lot

858
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 3: of golfers crazy launch it. Yeah, we launched that in

859
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 3: the spring, So in the springtime with the wedges.

860
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Speaker 1: One hundred and fifty thousand golfers in a year, I

861
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: mean that, Yeah, in what in seven months?

862
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 2: That's great.

863
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's in the US. I think internationally we've had

864
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Speaker 3: close to two hundred thousand people go.

865
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Speaker 2: Through ac Man.

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Speaker 3: It's an educational process that can help you understand a

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Speaker 3: how to gap your wedges and what your gap should

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Speaker 3: be right based on how far you hit your pitching wedge,

869
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Speaker 3: and then b understand which grind you should you should

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Speaker 3: play or you should get in. So definitely go through

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Speaker 3: that before you go out and demo or get a

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Speaker 3: fitting with the S one fifty nine wedges. It really

873
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Speaker 3: helps educate you on all of our amazing six different

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Speaker 3: grinds options there are in the S one fifty nine.

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Speaker 1: And it helps you at your own golf course because

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Speaker 1: every golf course is different with different grasses and the

877
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Speaker 1: kind of shots and stuff that they ask throughout the

878
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Speaker 1: fitting and throughout the app. You know, you can answer

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Speaker 1: the questions that are specific to how you play golf

880
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: and where you play golf and the region that you

881
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Speaker 1: live in and things like that. So I would, I would,

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Speaker 1: I would. You know, just say what Marty said is

883
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Speaker 1: is spot on. Do exactly what he says, as I

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Speaker 1: tend to say to people all the time. Just kind

885
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Speaker 1: of follow Marty's lead and you'll be uh, you'll be Marty.

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Speaker 1: That was a lot of wedge and friction talk.

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Speaker 2: Did we miss anything? Did we nail it all?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean, uh, friction. Friction is a in spin

889
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Speaker 3: generation is a is a fun thing, you know, I

890
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Speaker 3: think it's very fun to think about. Okay, what makes

891
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Speaker 3: wedges act differently than drivers in fairway woods. We've covered

892
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Speaker 3: that with differences in the gear effect. You know, folks

893
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Speaker 3: getting flyers in different conditions. Maybe that is helpful for

894
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Speaker 3: you when you're out there on the golf course. How

895
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Speaker 3: to avoid the embarrassment of you know, your punch out

896
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Speaker 3: slipping up the face, hitting the tree and make it double,

897
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Speaker 3: you know, on your first hole, the turn the worst.

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Speaker 3: The same thing though, Shane I was gonna say. The

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Speaker 3: thing about spin is in flyers, you can also apply

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Speaker 3: it to why it's hard to curve the ball out

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Speaker 3: of the rough.

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Speaker 2: Rkay.

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Speaker 3: So this is another thing. It's anytime you get in

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Speaker 3: the rough. For the same reason that it's hard to

905
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Speaker 3: hit it low with high spin, it's also hard to

906
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Speaker 3: curve the golf ball. So just be cognizant of that

907
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 3: if you're in the If you're in the rough and

908
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, I'm gonna hit my normal twenty yard

909
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 3: draw with this pitching wedge around the corner, and you

910
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 3: the thing takes off straight, flies dead straight, even though

911
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 3: you definitely have the face very shut to your path.

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Speaker 3: You're like, what's going on here? It's the same reason, right,

913
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Speaker 3: It's hard to get the sideways spin generation force up,

914
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Speaker 3: so be careful with that as well when it comes

915
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Speaker 3: to shot making or curving the golf blo out of

916
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Speaker 3: the rough. And one other piece that's pretty interesting is

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Speaker 3: if you have a very short part three, we're hitting

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Speaker 3: a fifty eight or sixty degree and you put the

919
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Speaker 3: ball in the tee, that's when you have potential generate

920
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Speaker 3: tons of spin? Interesting, okay, So if you have a

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Speaker 3: you know, seventy eighty ninety one hundred yard par three

922
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Speaker 3: on your golf course, or you go play a course

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Speaker 3: with one of those really fun short part threes, be

924
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Speaker 3: careful in that scenario with watching your spin as well,

925
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,720
Speaker 3: because you have that golf ball on his tea perfect friction.

926
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Speaker 3: If it's not raining, and you can, you can generate

927
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Speaker 3: tons of spin. So that's a scenario to kind of

928
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Speaker 3: watch out for it. Be careful with.

929
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Speaker 1: Will you let's say it's a front pin and you've

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Speaker 1: got your stock sandwich one fifteen. Let's say it's a

931
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Speaker 1: front pin and it's one oh eight. Oh yeah, right, yep?

932
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Speaker 1: Will you not put it on a peg sometimes to

933
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Speaker 1: take some of the spin off.

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Speaker 3: I will still always put it on a tee. I

935
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Speaker 3: think that variability. Anytime you put it on the ground,

936
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Speaker 3: you're gonna have variability. So it's a trade off of

937
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Speaker 3: maximizing spin or more variability, which is okay. Some you know,

938
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Speaker 3: my launching spin window might be more variable if I

939
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Speaker 3: put that golf on the ground, right, And I'm I'm

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Speaker 3: a believer anytime you can put it on a tee

941
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Speaker 3: with an iron shot. You'll want to do that.

942
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Speaker 2: There you go, mart Marty, just throw an advice left

943
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Speaker 2: and right. I like this one. This is fun, I

944
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Speaker 2: will say.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we think about golf, and we think about

946
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Speaker 1: viewing golf, Marty, and there's an obsession with distance as

947
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Speaker 1: there should be. I mean, watching guys like Cam Champ

948
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: hit drivers crazy, right. I mean he hits it three

949
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 1: forty three fifty and kind of hits this low bullet

950
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: and it goes forever and you're kind of amazed by

951
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Speaker 1: his ability to do that. I've always been more attracted

952
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: to the amazing shots around the greens that these players hit.

953
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Speaker 1: You know, the Rory shot at the Ryder Cup last year.

954
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 1: You know that he's talked. I think he told Kyle

955
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Speaker 1: Porter it's one of the best shots he's hit in

956
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Speaker 1: his life in terms of tournament golf. Like some of

957
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Speaker 1: those those kind of shots that the players pull off,

958
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Speaker 1: you know, they hit and they.

959
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Speaker 2: Just stop on a dime. I remember more a Cawa

960
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Speaker 2: hit one.

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Speaker 1: I think at the Travelers last year that I of

962
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Speaker 1: course went in scram and started to go a bit viral.

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00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: You know, when you think about those kind of shots,

964
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Speaker 1: they're just so cool to watch because you obviously understand

965
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Speaker 1: the player is in total connection with the club face,

966
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Speaker 1: the ball, the spin, everything to be able to pull

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Speaker 1: a shot like that off.

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Speaker 3: I think the fun ones on tour that you get

969
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,919
Speaker 3: to the courses to have zoija around the green oh

970
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 3: teet up and is literally teed up. It is like

971
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Speaker 3: hitting off a teeth quite literally right, and that's where

972
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Speaker 3: you can really melt it on the on the club face. Shane,

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Speaker 3: I'm really glad you brought up Tiger shot at Pebble

974
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Speaker 3: because that is I will envision that swing when I'm

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Speaker 3: on the range literally trying to hit you know, the

976
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Speaker 3: dead arms wedge, the take spin off pitching wedge. I

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Speaker 3: actually heard I don't know if you've heard this story. Tiger.

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Speaker 3: He would go to the range and one of his

979
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Speaker 3: drills was he would pick a He would pick a

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Speaker 3: post out there, maybe one sixty. He can start by

981
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Speaker 3: ripping pitching wedges at it right. Then he'd go to

982
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Speaker 3: that same post and go nine irons a little lower,

983
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Speaker 3: a little less spin than eight irons, land them right

984
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Speaker 3: at it. Then seven, then six, then five, then four.

985
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 3: He's just hitting four irons at that thing at one sixty.

986
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Speaker 3: There's no wonder he could pull that shot off.

987
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Speaker 2: You know, he's done that before, and he's done it before.

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Speaker 2: He was he was good at golf. That was fun.

989
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Speaker 2: We'll uh well. If you have any other questions.

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Speaker 1: By the way, if you ever have any questions after

991
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: these podcasts and you want to ask us one, you

992
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: can hit Marty and I on social and we'll do

993
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: our best answer them. We get messages a decent amount,

994
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: Marty from people that want to follow up, and we

995
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: love answering them. And if you send me a question

996
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: on Instagram or Twitter and I can't answer it because

997
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: I'm much dumber than Marty, I will pass it along

998
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: to Marty and he will he will relay that information

999
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Speaker 1: back to me. But we're we're here to try to help,

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Speaker 1: So if you ever have questions in that regard, feel

1001
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 1: free to reach out to us and make sure, especially

1002
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: specifically on this podcast, this one in particular, if you

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Speaker 1: watch us on YouTube, Marty was very good in terms

1004
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: of explaining it with his hands and showing you what

1005
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 1: he's talking about. So if you ever want visual help

1006
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: in terms of what we're talking about, the podcasts are

1007
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 1: always up on YouTube and you can find him there.

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Speaker 1: That's Marty Jertson. This is the Being Proven Grounds podcast