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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. In the last moments, Alex

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Speaker 1: Murdog has just stepped down from the witness stand. That's right,

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Speaker 1: Alex Murdog on the stand in his own defense, waving

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Speaker 1: his right to invoke silence under the Fifth Amendment. He

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Speaker 1: has been on direct examination so far. He's hitting a

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Speaker 1: lot of softballs in that courtroom. We're wondering what's going

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Speaker 1: to happen on cross examination. The jury has just left

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at

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Speaker 1: Fox Nation. First of all, here's the biggest thing that

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Speaker 1: happened in the courtroom. As he stuttered and stammered, turned

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Speaker 1: red in the face, sucked his teeth, and his mouth

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Speaker 1: went dry. Alex Murdog insists he did not kill Maggie

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Speaker 1: and Paul. Take a listen to our cut one on

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Speaker 1: June seventh, twenty twenty one. Did you take this gun

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Speaker 1: off Moselle Rohado. No, I did not, mister murder. Did

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Speaker 1: day or any time. No, I did not, mister Murder.

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Speaker 1: Did you taken to blackout such as this and fired

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Speaker 1: I didn't shoot my wife or my son anytime ever.

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Speaker 1: There you see him sucking his teeth, shaking his head

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Speaker 1: is that you on the kennel video at eight forty

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Speaker 1: to sled Agent Ohen and Deputy Laura Rutland on the

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Speaker 1: to them. And in the interview of August eleventh, did

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Speaker 1: and All Star Panel. I'm gonna take you back in

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Speaker 1: the courtroom just a moment so you can see more

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Speaker 1: of Alex Marlock's testimony on the stand with me at

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Speaker 1: All Star Panel. But first I want to go out

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Speaker 1: to hold on. Do we have Anne Emerson yet? No,

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Speaker 1: She's making her way out straight out to Eric Bland

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Speaker 1: connected to this case through the Satterfield family. Eric Bland,

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Speaker 1: I don't get it. He started lying the very night

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Speaker 1: concoc lies, Nancy, and it is another lie because he

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Speaker 1: But every time somebody else gives testimony that's detrimental to him,

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Speaker 1: thousand percent? Nancy, I mean, you can't script this. What

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Speaker 1: they want to put a child molester, a killer, a

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Speaker 1: they're taking that bed and a thief, the white collar

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Now, this is what I was gonna tell everybody.

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Speaker 1: Murdog because of the boat crash, killing Mallory Beach and

427
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Speaker 1: Maggie just happened to be there at the time, how

428
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: would anyone have known how to find Paul Murdog? And

429
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen him already developing

430
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: an alternate reality in our cut thirteen. Listen, I'm gonna know, Ali,

431
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: we just heard you say I should have known what

432
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: are you referring to? I said Paul, Paul. I should

433
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: have known what were you referring to? I was referring

434
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: to Paul. Paul got so many threats, didn't take serious

435
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: twice about I'm just telling them blah, Paul, As you

436
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: could have known, what kind of thrust did you understand

437
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: Paula is receiving. He got the most vowed threats. I

438
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: mean the stuff that was on social media. He couldn't

439
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: believe it. It was so over to top. Truthfully, we

440
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: didn't think anything about it. Eric Bland, That's exactly what

441
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: you were talking about. If there were threats they were

442
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: so afraid of, why didn't they go to police? He

443
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,719
Speaker 1: used the police, Nancy, he's the solicitor. He controls the

444
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: entire department. Everybody who works for the police department knows

445
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: the murders. They are hundred years solicitors. If my son

446
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: or my daughter were threatened, the first call I would

447
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: make is to the police to go on record about it.

448
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense because it's not true. They

449
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: didn't listen. You know, they didn't introduce They didn't The

450
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: defense has not introduced one single social media text message

451
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: or Instagram or Facebook that paul was under threats, and

452
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: Alex said it was all over the Internet and all

453
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: over social media. All they had to do was show

454
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: us that. You know another thing, Eric Bland, It is unconstitutional,

455
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Speaker 1: as interpreted by case law, for the state to comment

456
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: on a defense right to remain silent. However, if they

457
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: bring up witnesses that can bolster or corroborate their story,

458
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: and then don't produce those witnesses, the state can attack it.

459
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: And this is exactly what's happening here, all of these

460
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: quote vile threats on Paul after the boat crash, Who,

461
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: what where? Why? Why didn't you go to cops? I

462
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: will be stunned if the state doesn't pick up on

463
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: that and tear him a new rear end. Eric A, Yeah,

464
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: I wanted to. I wanted to say, like, pop in

465
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: there for a second. You know, I've got a teenager,

466
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: Um you're going you know through that as well, Nancy,

467
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: with with social media, I bet you know. What we

468
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: have learned is that the kids are tracking each other

469
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: all the time. So that's a that's there's there's two

470
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: sides of that coin, right, one of which is yes,

471
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: I think the defense could show that his friends knew

472
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: exactly where Paul was at any given time because he's

473
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: on snapchat all the time. And that's how you know,

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00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: people find Teenagersey's days like they know where they are because,

475
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: you know, because a snapchat. So I don't think that's

476
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: a huge mystery. What I do think is very mysterious

477
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: is what Eric Bland brought up. He was very as

478
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: suit and saying, you know, well, then why aren't they

479
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: pulling all of the social media. I was thinking the

480
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: same thing as we were sitting in there. If I'm

481
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: thinking it, Eric's thinking it, you know, the Jersey's thinking it.

482
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: Guys we see repeatedly lying to police. But he is

483
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: blaming his quote drug induced paranoia and his fear and

484
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: distrust of law enforcement as to why he lied. But

485
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: I find it very curious to Chris mcdonna, former homicide

486
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: detective handling literally hundreds of homicides, that while his wife

487
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: and son were lying there dead, he had to wherewithal

488
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: to suddenly distrust them and lie. That's might be concern

489
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: that he is lying almost immediately about the events that night.

490
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: I mean, because it would be very important, wouldn't it,

491
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: Chris mcdonna to be able to tell the cops, Hey,

492
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: they were alive at eight forty seven, because I was

493
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: in the kennel and there's a snapchat to show it,

494
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: there's a video to show it. There is a message

495
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: to Rogan Rogan Gibson showing what time they were last alive.

496
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: So whoever killed them had to be watching because then

497
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: I left to go to my mom's and when I

498
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: get back one hour later, they're dead. So you need

499
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: to go check the parameters. You need to check ring

500
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: doorbell cams in the area, anything to figure out who

501
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: could have been watching me leave. You're a thousand percent

502
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: right again, Nancy. I mean, and if we think about

503
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: overlaying the statement, apology statement is what we'll call it.

504
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: While he was in rehab to the sled officers, you

505
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: see the same type of behavior taking place there as

506
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: you saw you taking place when he first took the stand.

507
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: I made a list today of some of the simple

508
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: phrases that he uses, and I'm hoping the prosecutors on

509
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: target here and I can only imagine if what you're thinking,

510
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: if you had a chance. But but listen to this shortlist,

511
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: real fast, unintentional. I think, I believe, I don't know,

512
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: not exactly sure, I don't remember sure, helps looking at

513
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: the records, can't tell unless I had the details. And

514
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: the list goes on, and that's the short list. This

515
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: guy is lying every second of the moment he opens

516
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: his bot. I just very surprised. The state is kicked

517
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: back like they're lounging on a recliner. They I would

518
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: have thought, would be pacing back and forth like a tiger,

519
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: waiting to jump in every time they can make an objection.

520
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 1: Hold on, I think I've still got land with me.

521
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: What were you saying? Yes, I just wrote that list

522
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: down and I just sent it to Solicitor Waters. I've

523
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: been communicating with him every single day and he welcomes

524
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: everything that anybody wants to give him and he reads it.

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00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: Any comments back, Okay, you know, thank you for that. Guys.

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Speaker 1: We're taking you back into the courtroom to hear what

527
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: Alen Smerlock said on the stand. Now, remember this is

528
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: under direct examination. I hope he will be questioned severely

529
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 1: on cross exam. Right now, he's tailoring all of his

530
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 1: testimony to respond to issues brought up by the state

531
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: in their case. Take a listen to our cut four

532
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: on June seventh. I wasn't thinking clearly. I don't think

533
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: I was capable of reason, and I lied about being

534
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: down there, and I'm so sorry that I did. I'm

535
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: sorry to my son Buster, I'm sorry to Grandma and

536
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: Papa Tea. I'm sorry to both of our families. Most

537
00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: of all, I'm sorry to Max Vallball. I would never

538
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: intentionally do anything to hurt either one of them ever,

539
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,720
Speaker 1: straight out to Anne Emerson joining us to BCIV, ABC

540
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: and okay, hold on satellite, down on. And you know,

541
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: I'm very curious as to how the jury is responding

542
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: to what he is saying on the stand. You know,

543
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: very often, to you, doctor Michelle Dupre, You've been in

544
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: so many courtrooms that the jurors don't know how to respond.

545
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: But when you have jurars actually looking away from the defendant,

546
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: that's a very bad sign, absolutely, Nancy. And you know,

547
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: he just continues to lie. He lied about not ever

548
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: wearing the blue raincoat and yeah, the DNA when they

549
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 1: tested that for possession or owner ship of that, it

550
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: clearly came back to Alex. I mean, this is another

551
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: blatant law and his testimony is just filled with those.

552
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: You know, I'm very curious, Chris McDonough about the non

553
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 1: verbal messages that are being sent in the courtroom and

554
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: how the jury may be responding. They can't take notes,

555
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 1: they're not taking notes like we are. What do you

556
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: make of how he is addressing the jury so carefully, Well,

557
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: he is very specific about how he's answering his questions,

558
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: and that comes from obviously years of experience in a courtroom.

559
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,760
Speaker 1: What's really interesting about that last clip you just played

560
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: is he was very methodical and how he answered it. However,

561
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: he used the word intentionally. I would never intentionally, So

562
00:37:55,920 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: what does that mean? Does that mean he unintentionally something?

563
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: Does it mean his paranoia took over? I think the

564
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: prosecutor should really go after that that comment right there,

565
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: and that may break him Luci into a thought process

566
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: that he wasn't anticipating. Correct. I mean, I wonder if

567
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 1: it's dawned on the jurars that he is behaving this

568
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: way because he's under the influence of opioids. Can't they

569
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: connect two plus two equals four? What else would he

570
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 1: do if he was high on drugs? Would he commit

571
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: a double murder? Let's take a listen to more in

572
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: our cut six of how murdog is explaining away issues

573
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 1: brought up by the state. The clothes that we saw

574
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: in that snapchat video was is that the clothes he

575
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: had at work that day? Yes, those are the clothes

576
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: I had on at work that day on June seventh.

577
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: Helped all worry and how much did you wigh? I'm

578
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: six a little I'm a hero over sixty four right

579
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: at six four on June to seventh, I was about

580
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: two hundred and sixty five pounds to sixty four to

581
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 1: sixty five when you're outside, riding around, and do you

582
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: get hide and sweating? Absolutely? I mean Paul and I

583
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 1: have done some things. We unloaded the bulldozs and clean

584
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: the bulldozs. We fooled around. Yeah, I mean I sweated.

585
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: I was you know, I was heavy. And taking prescription

586
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: pills also makes you sweat worse, or at least taking

587
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: oxycodon makes you sweat. So was it unusual for you

588
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: to take a shower when you got back to the house,

589
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: Not at all. After you took a shower, what did

590
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: you change into? I changed into the clothes that you've

591
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: seen in this trial. Shorts in the shirt. Okay. There

592
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: we see him very calmly explaining away the wardrobe change. Okay,

593
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: the wardrobe. How did that strike you? Eric Bland, just

594
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: another one of his lies. He's saying that he sweats

595
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: a lit It was a benign change of clothes. Nancy.

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00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: You know they're going to use the drug use to

597
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: their advantage. But let me explain something and you can

598
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: say it better than anybody. The jails are full of

599
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: people who take drugs and commit crimes. No state has

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00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: a defense of criminality because I'm on drugs. He knew

601
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: enough to steal from his clients for twenty years. He

602
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: knew enough to lie to all his law partners and

603
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 1: family and friends. Nancy, I know we're frustrated because we're

604
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 1: seeing a lack of objection, but there's so much fodder

605
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: for cross examination. I'm confident that Creighton Wooters will bring

606
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: the heat. Well. He's done a great job so far.

607
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:54,240
Speaker 1: And you know, I've gotten tons of emails. We're looking

608
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: at everything on social media. So many people believe he's

609
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: doing a good job on direct and I've got to

610
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,240
Speaker 1: tell you, I agree with you. I'm peeking it apart

611
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 1: because that's what I'm trained to do. I'm seeing lies

612
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:13,760
Speaker 1: and inconsistencies. I'm seeing him tailoring his direct examination to

613
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:18,760
Speaker 1: address the issues brought up by the state, explaining them away.

614
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: That's what I see happening. But he's coming across I

615
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 1: believe fairly will. But is it enough to explain away

616
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: the fact that it is not feasible for him to

617
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: be at the scene of the murders minutes minutes, three

618
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: or four minutes before the murders. Then he miraculously leaves

619
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Speaker 1: and he escapes murder, and then he comes back within

620
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: the hour and lo and behold he finds the bodies

621
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Speaker 1: and immediately starts lying. Is it feasible that Maggie's phone

622
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: was traveling? What was it traveling Sydney? Was it traveling

623
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Speaker 1: at forty five miles an hour? Was her phone traveling

624
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: along with him? And then as his car shows it

625
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: slows down long enough to throw a phone out the window.

626
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: Can his testimony overcome that well as at a matter

627
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: of fact, if the jury grows to like him, if

628
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: the jury grows to believe that he is credible, yes,

629
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: it can overcome even the facts. In this case, he

630
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: even addresses a Google search. He does just a few

631
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: feet away from his wife and son's body. Take a

632
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: listen to our cut fourteen. There's an indication Alec that

633
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 1: at ten twenty two o nine, you opened a group

634
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: text message from Michael Gunn stating she brought the heat

635
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: from Miami boys. Were you reading text messages from Michael Gunn? Right?

636
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: Have to go off with the nine one operator. I

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00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: heard him ask that question. I can promise you I

638
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: wasn't reading any text message just at ten forty pm

639
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: that you did a Google search or Safari browser search

640
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 1: for Wales at Adastow while your wife and son are

641
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: laying dead on the ground. Did you do that? No,

642
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 1: Wales is a restaurant and Edistow that we ate at

643
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: a lot of times. We got to take out from

644
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: a lot of time, so I'm assuming it was in

645
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 1: my search history pulling up the restaurant and obviously was

646
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: trying to call people or dialing, and I hit that.

647
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:45,240
Speaker 1: I wasn't doing any Google searches crime stories with Nancy Grace.

648
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: There's an indication Alec that at ten twenty two o

649
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: nine you opened a group of text message from Michael Gunn,

650
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: stating she brought the heat from Miami boys. Were you

651
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: reading text messages from Michael Gunns? I have to go

652
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 1: off with the nive one one operator. I heard him

653
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: ask that question. I can promise you I wasn't reading

654
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 1: any text messages. At ten forty pm you did a

655
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: Google search or Safari browser search for Wales at Edistoe

656
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 1: while your wife and son are laying dead on the ground.

657
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: Did you do that? No, Wales is a restaurant at

658
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: Edistode that we ate at a lot of times. We

659
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: got take out from a lot of times. So I'm

660
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: assuming it was in my search history pulling up to

661
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: restaurant and obviously was trying to call people or dialing,

662
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: and I hid that I wasn't doing any Google searches.

663
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: Is that the way a phone works when you're trying

664
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: to make a phone call, you hit the phone icon

665
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:51,720
Speaker 1: and you start dialing. That was an actual Google search.

666
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: It wasn't dialing Wellie's restaurant. It was an actual Google search.

667
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,760
Speaker 1: Does that make sense to you, Sydney, because it doesn't

668
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: make sense. Okay, it makes sense to you that he

669
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: did a Google search, but he was really using the phone. No, okay, no,

670
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: it does not make sense. Okay, there's more to it.

671
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,919
Speaker 1: But first I'm hearing in my ear doctor Michelle Dupree,

672
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: jump in, doctor. It does not make sense, Nancy, There's

673
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: no way. I mean, how can you be, you know,

674
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: within twenty minutes or whatever and standing beside your wife

675
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: and your son's dead bodies and doing a Google search

676
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: for anything, much less your favorite restaurant in Edisto. You know,

677
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: we also go ahead. I'm not sure who that is,

678
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: but I think it's doctor Angie, go ahead, doctor, you know, Nancy.

679
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: Another thing that we have to think about. Two. If

680
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: he was under the influence of drugs that night, Nancy,

681
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: he's not going to remember, Okay, we had dinner, we

682
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: sat down, we had dinner, then I laid down and

683
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: watched TV. Nancy. Those aren't things that someone under the

684
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 1: influence of drugs does. And then all of a sudden,

685
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: the drugs are going to influence him, and, as we've said,

686
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: have him developed this paranoia about the police. So I

687
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: don't believe that that's congruent either. Another thing that he

688
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 1: said that was completely incongruent. If he was so concerned

689
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: about the social media attacks that his son was apparently receiving,

690
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: and then he just said, well, we just didn't do

691
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: anything about it. We just let that go. Nancy, that

692
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,919
Speaker 1: is an incongruent statement to say that the threats were

693
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: so heinous and then but we just let that go.

694
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: We call that an incongruent statement, Nancy, And I certainly

695
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: hope the jury picked up on that. Nancy. Arian Bland

696
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: do you want to end go ahead. Yes. First of all,

697
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 1: he did send a text message to Cbrow before he

698
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: called Buster at late ten thirty eight, saying, can you

699
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: address the sunflower trees tomorrow? If somebody just killed your

700
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 1: wife and your son and you only have one living

701
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 1: child left, that would be my first phone call to say, son,

702
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: get to security, go to the nearest police department. I

703
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: don't know what has happened, but your mother and your

704
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: son were killed. Why would he let Buster be forty

705
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: minutes from a phone call, then get the phone call

706
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: and permit Buster to drive with his girlfriend back to Mazzelle.

707
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: If killers are in the area, you would tell your child,

708
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: your only living child, please go to the police department. Yeah,

709
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: and right now now I want you to hear more

710
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 1: in our cut four. Take a listen to this. On

711
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: June seventh, I wasn't thinking clearly. I don't think I

712
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 1: was capable of reason, and I lowed about being down there.

713
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 1: And I'm so sorry that I did. I'm sorry to

714
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: my son Uster, I'm sorry to Grandma and Papa Tea.

715
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to both of our families. Most of all,

716
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to Max and Pop Ball. I would never

717
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:44,959
Speaker 1: intentionally do anything to hurt either one of them. Ever,

718
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: as he's shaking his head, yes, intentionally. That's something Chris

719
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: mcdone I brought up earlier. I would never intentionally do

720
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:56,479
Speaker 1: anything to hurt either of them ever. But if he's

721
00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: high out of his mind on opioids in his mind,

722
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: does that mean it wasn't intentional? But what caught my

723
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: attention there is he says, on the night of the murders,

724
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 1: I wasn't thinking clearly. I don't think I was capable

725
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: of reason. Yet he could think clearly enough to lie

726
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: to save his own skin to police, and now he

727
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: wants a jury to believe the story he's telling today.

728
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: I mean, can they ignore the hard facts, the concrete,

729
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: the submit facts of GPS A phone data up to you,

730
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: doctor Angie, He says, I wasn't thinking clearly. Don't think

731
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: I was capable of reason. Yet he was capable of

732
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: lying about his own whereabouts, And this is within one

733
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 1: hour of discovering the bodies and Nancy. He was also

734
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: capable about making some decisions. He decided he was going

735
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: to go visit his mother. Why would you go physit

736
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: your mother if you were uncapable of making decisions that night.

737
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: Why would you get in a car and drive. Why

738
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: wouldn't you just stay on the couch and watch TV

739
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:12,359
Speaker 1: and rest and let and let everything go the way

740
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: it was going that night. I think that's another one

741
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: of his lies. And you know what, Nancy, I believe

742
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: that the reason this man turns to lies is because

743
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: that's the first thing that his brain does. He is

744
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: a liar. And we've got to remember, if you're a liar,

745
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: you're a liar. Okay. You have to sort of believe

746
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: that everything that they say is a lie, Nancy. They

747
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: don't come up with the truth. That's why it is

748
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 1: so easy for him to lie. To Aery Bland, high

749
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: profile lawyer in the area, and to Chris mcdonnas of

750
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,479
Speaker 1: the interview room. I want you to take a listen

751
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: to our cut ten and this is very significant, our

752
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 1: cut tien. Listen. You're suburban and perhaps some of this

753
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: own star GPS data that indicates it. At some point

754
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: in time in your mother's driveway, you for about a minute.

755
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:06,760
Speaker 1: Do you recall seeing that data? What were you doing

756
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 1: when you stopped? I was getting my phone that done.

757
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 1: My phone had gotten there's a console in the middle

758
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: of my car, and my phone had gotten down in

759
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: the console between the console and the seat where you

760
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 1: couldn't get to it. Okay, were you during that minute

761
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: or however long it was, were you disposing of murder

762
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:39,439
Speaker 1: weapons outt No? Were you disposing of bloody clothes? No? So,

763
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: Eric Bland, if he says he's not the killer, that

764
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 1: would make sense. He was not disposing of the weapons.

765
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: He didn't have the murder weapons. But what about the clothes.

766
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: Whatever did happen to those clothes? Well, you know, you're

767
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 1: getting a lot of different stories. Supposedly Buster helped them

768
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,760
Speaker 1: clean out the house. He never went back there. That's

769
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: been very convenient, even though he told Buster while he

770
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: was in jail, Hey go back there and hunt. There's

771
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: tons of corn. Here's the issue, Nancy, he is not

772
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: telling the truth. I can't remember if I dropped my

773
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: phone in my car. How's he going to remember it

774
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: when he's high on opioids. You can't have it both ways.

775
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,439
Speaker 1: As one of your guests said, and I did an

776
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 1: experiment the other day. I got one of those mini bottles,

777
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 1: mini bottles of water, and I threw it out the window.

778
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: It's the same weight as my phone and I slowed

779
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: to forty miles an hour and I threw it out

780
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: my passenger window and guess what, it went almost thirty

781
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:47,320
Speaker 1: yards into the woods. Just thinking through everything that he's saying,

782
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 1: let me go back to doctor Angela Arnold, renounced psychiatrist

783
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 1: out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. They've closed the clothing. That

784
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:03,280
Speaker 1: shirt is it? The housekeeper can never find the shirt.

785
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: He can't tell us where the shirt is, and they

786
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:12,320
Speaker 1: carefully did not address that in his direct examination. You know, Nancy,

787
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:15,240
Speaker 1: maybe they don't want people to think about that, because

788
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: why would you why would you not address something They

789
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: want to gloss over it. I certainly hope that it

790
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 1: is going to be I hope it is going to

791
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 1: be examined because that seems like a very huge piece

792
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: to this puzzle. And again, he can remember something so beautifully,

793
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: and there are other things that he just has no

794
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 1: recollection of which, Nancy, it just tends to help us

795
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: believe that he is truly a liar. Well, another thing

796
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 1: that he addressed. Remember when we heard all of the evidence,

797
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 1: and this is for you, doctor Dupree, all of that

798
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: technical evidence about when he gets to the saying there's

799
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 1: opening and closing, and opening and closing, opening and closing

800
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 1: his door. Remember all that evidence that ain't from his car.

801
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,800
Speaker 1: We had no idea your car recording when you opened

802
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: the door, let the windows up and down, or put

803
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 1: it in part, but it exists. I want you to

804
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 1: take a listen to our cut eleven what he says

805
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: he did when he found the bodies? What'd you see

806
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 1: so much? Y'all? See your pictures up so bad? Can

807
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 1: hand some water? Did you see them on the ground

808
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: when you're pulling up in your suburban? I did? I

809
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:40,399
Speaker 1: think I jumped out of my car. I exactly sure

810
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: what I did, But no, I got out of my car. No,

811
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: I ran back to my car. Call down one one.

812
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: That was I called out one one. I was on

813
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: the phone with nine one one. I was trying to

814
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: tend the ball. Let's trying to tend to Maggie. Were

815
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: you going to Paul and Maggie while you were on

816
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: the phone with the nine one one operators? Yes, okay?

817
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: Does that explain all the opening and the closing of

818
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 1: the doors you see? At some point? Chris McDonald, he

819
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,280
Speaker 1: finally says, well, I don't know what I was doing.

820
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 1: Is that how they're going to explain that, you know, Nancy,

821
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: I mean if this could backfire if the prosecution has

822
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: their questions you know, dialed in here, and we may

823
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:40,919
Speaker 1: be calling this gone with the win WI n if

824
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 1: it works correctly, because everything that he says, if we

825
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: listen carefully, is I think. But however, when it's convenient

826
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 1: to him, then he knows I. He gives this idea

827
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 1: of I felt that night I knew I was a suspect,

828
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,240
Speaker 1: and that at that point he then figured he would

829
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:07,399
Speaker 1: start his own parallel investigation to help out, you know,

830
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 1: by giving directions in relationship to the GPS and all

831
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:14,479
Speaker 1: the information that we're hearing about. So when we see

832
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: him in these types of moments, in my opinion, you know,

833
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 1: they're very carefully crafted in how he's delivering it, and

834
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 1: they just seem disingenuous. You know, Eric Boy, as you

835
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: on this, you go first, doctor Michelle. Okay, Well, so

836
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 1: of course he was not disposing of the clothes during

837
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 1: that one minute. That was a carefully crafted question. He

838
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 1: disposed of the clothes and the weapons when he drove

839
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 1: around to Almeda into the back of the house and

840
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: was near that shed so again, I think this is

841
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 1: working two ways. Alex is very carefully crafting his answers,

842
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 1: but the defense attorney then was also very carefully crafting

843
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 1: the questions so that Alex could answer them in the

844
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: pre planned Eric, I don't know how exactly to verbalize this,

845
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 1: and I'm afraid I may be projecting about how I

846
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 1: reacted when my fiancee was murdered just before our wedding,

847
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:14,399
Speaker 1: But I can't compare this to a colleague of mine.

848
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 1: I think you all know Mark Klass's daughter Polly was

849
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: kidnapped from her own home, sex assaulted, had murdered. Cops came,

850
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: of course, to him immediately, and he knows his daughter

851
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 1: is gone. He says, here, take my fingerprints, search my place,

852
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: search my office, search my car, do whatever you want.

853
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: I'll give you my blood, I'll do anything you want

854
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: so you can find who took my daughter. And I

855
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: just find it very suspicious that at a time like this,

856
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 1: and Eric, I have investigated, tried, covered, pled literally thousands

857
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 1: of cases, and when parents act a certain way when

858
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: they're protecting themselves, they are guilty of something. I don't

859
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: know what, but something is wrong. He should have been

860
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 1: saying listen here, this is what happened. Maybe it looks bad.

861
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 1: I don't care, but somebody killed my wife. Somebody killed

862
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: my son. My boy is dead. Suspect me if you want,

863
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 1: but this is what happened. But that's not what he did.

864
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 1: I thought he would be out howling in the backyard

865
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: out of pain, but no, he's lying to save himself. Listen,

866
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 1: he got lawyered up. Those five lawyers came from his

867
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 1: law firm. Yes, they wanted to be there to provide

868
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 1: emotional support, but he was lawyered up. He told you

869
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 1: from the start that he knew he was a suspect.

870
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: Every father, every husband knows they're a first suspect. And

871
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 1: you want to eliminate yourself, so you say exactly what

872
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 1: mister Claude said. Here, free reign, search do whatever. I've

873
00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 1: been to Missille Nancy. I've been down every road in

874
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 1: the swamp area. It's eighteen hundred acres, half of which

875
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 1: are swamps. He could have hid his stuff and then

876
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 1: later gone back and got it. You'll see in the

877
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 1: Netflix series the guns were removed by John Marvin from

878
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 1: the property. These are country people who know where to

879
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 1: hide things. He was not open He was not cooperative

880
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: in my eyes that a father and a husband would

881
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 1: be if their child and their wife were murdered. Nobody

882
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 1: has more experience than Nancy Grace, your sixth sense telling

883
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 1: you something's wrong here. Nancy, you know another thing. If

884
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: my son was lying there dead and my other son

885
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 1: was somewhere else, the first thing I would say is

886
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 1: you got to find my boy Buster. You gotta get

887
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 1: him somewhere safe. That's the number one thing I gotta

888
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 1: do right now. We never heard one word about protecting Buster.

889
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 1: And you've got ask yourself. Why guys are going back

890
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 1: in the courtroom. Guys that the jury it's about to

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01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 1: come back in. We're going straight back in. Thank you everybody.

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01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 1: We're going back in the courtroom. Stay with us.