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Speaker 1: welcome in Friday Morning Podcast. One of my favorite guys
Speaker 1: in all the media, Marcus Thompson, works for the Athletic
Speaker 1: Marcus is really good. He's written several books, one on KD,
Speaker 1: one on Steph. Curry does a great job, has really
Speaker 1: close relationships with guys on that team. We're gonna ask
Speaker 1: him about the Andrew Wiggins situation. Draymond Green's not going
Speaker 1: to play against Atlanta, So no Wiggins, no Draymond Green.
Speaker 1: This team is abysmal on the road. We'll talk about that.
Speaker 1: A lot of issues, So give me six or seven
Speaker 1: minutes on this. I've spent this week overwhelmingly on one topic,
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers to the Jets, And I know at times
Speaker 1: it feels tedious, but you know, I've something I've said
Speaker 1: probably twenty five times in my thirty year career about
Speaker 1: my shows radio or TV, is that you the consumer,
Speaker 1: You the listener. You drive the bus. So I'm able
Speaker 1: to because I'm on cable television, to see every minute
Speaker 1: of my ratings every day. You can't do that on
Speaker 1: broadcast TV, but you can do it on cable and
Speaker 1: I monitor it, and I monitor it for one reason.
Speaker 1: You tell me what you're bored with. You tell me
Speaker 1: what you're interested with. I think the height of arrogance
Speaker 1: as a broadcast is pretending I know every day what's
Speaker 1: most interesting, so I follow you and I I And
Speaker 1: this has happened to me multiple times over my career
Speaker 1: that I've loved a topic, just thought it was absolutely
Speaker 1: wonderful and fascinating, and the next day I see my
Speaker 1: numbers and you didn't give a shit, and so I
Speaker 1: move off the topic. There are things that interest me
Speaker 1: far more that interest you. And conversely, there are times
Speaker 1: I've touched on topics and I'm really shocked by how
Speaker 1: much you care. So that it's my job to make calls,
Speaker 1: take better notes, figure out why you like it, and
Speaker 1: talk about it. So in the Aaron Rodgers situation of
Speaker 1: the Jets, it's the combination of multiple things. The most
Speaker 1: popular sport in the country the NFL, the most crucial
Speaker 1: position quarterback, one gigantic iconic brand, the Green Bay Packers,
Speaker 1: and the most polarizing quarterback in the most popular sport,
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. So this week I can watch my downloads,
Speaker 1: i can watch my cable ratings. They've all been really,
Speaker 1: really good. So I'm going to spend a couple of
Speaker 1: minutes on this. I listened to most of the comments
Speaker 1: the clips from Aaron Rodgers on the YouTube Pat McAfee deal,
Speaker 1: and you know, that's a friendly place for him to
Speaker 1: go every week, and I have no problem with that.
Speaker 1: I used to defend our Cineo Hall all the time
Speaker 1: when people would bang on our city of the Hall
Speaker 1: and they said, well, you know, people go on there.
Speaker 1: He asked puff fluffy questions and my takeaways. It's called
Speaker 1: the Arsenio Hall show. He can do whatever he wants.
Speaker 1: It's his show. You know, some people have said, well,
Speaker 1: McAfee's just it's a comfortable place for Aaron to go,
Speaker 1: and my takeaways, it's pat show. He's a punter, you're
Speaker 1: not a journalist. He can do anything he wants with it.
Speaker 1: I can do anything I want with my show. But
Speaker 1: I'm not a former professional athlete. I don't have a
Speaker 1: relationship with Aaron, so I'll defend any broadcaster. This is
Speaker 1: not the New York Times. I'm in the opinion space.
Speaker 1: I've said before, I liked Aaron Rodgers more than Brett Farve.
Speaker 1: I think he's smarter, I think he's more thoughtful. He's
Speaker 1: a unique guy. Why wouldn't be my kind of guy
Speaker 1: to hang out with? But that's okay. You know, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of great athletes. You know, Tom Brady doesn't
Speaker 1: have a beer during the season. I probably wouldn't hang
Speaker 1: out with him either. I'm drinking one right now. Her
Speaker 1: draft picks, by the way, Pilsner. But I do think
Speaker 1: the most shocking revelation to me is that Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: after the retreat said ninety percent going in he was
Speaker 1: going to retire, and then he came out and was
Speaker 1: surprised the packers moved off him. It's just remarkable to
Speaker 1: me that a guy that's that smart would lack any
Speaker 1: self awareness. And I'll double down on this, when you're
Speaker 1: the center of your universe and you ghost people, Aaron
Speaker 1: has a history of ghosting people who say anything critical
Speaker 1: of him. You surround yourself with yes men, and nobody
Speaker 1: called him out on his ship. You know, my wife
Speaker 1: calls me out on mine. My kids do. I got
Speaker 1: friends that do. I have bosses that would. And so
Speaker 1: the packers have never had an owner, right, they don't
Speaker 1: have an owner who calls him out in his stuff.
Speaker 1: If Green Bay had an owner, Aaron Rodgers would not
Speaker 1: take eight to nine weeks to make up his mind.
Speaker 1: If Jerry Jones or Stan Cronky would call him up
Speaker 1: and say, pal make a decision or we're moving on.
Speaker 1: So it looks like that's an advantage not having an owner,
Speaker 1: But I think it's a disadvantage. It's a disadvantage for
Speaker 1: Farv who kept threatening retirement. It's a disadvantage for Aaron
Speaker 1: who kept threatening retirement. And neither guy had anybody that
Speaker 1: would demand they give him an answer. And then Aaron's
Speaker 1: not married you know, he didn't have anybody to call
Speaker 1: him on his crap like our wives do, right, And
Speaker 1: so I really do think I call it the Green
Speaker 1: Bay quarterback syndrome. No owner, smallest city, you basically own
Speaker 1: the franchise. And I think ownership at its best is
Speaker 1: non meddling, is highly supportive. But but will hold coaches,
Speaker 1: star players accountable. That's Robert Kraft. He said, no, we're
Speaker 1: not going to trade Tom Brady, We're moving off Jimmy Garoppolo.
Speaker 1: It was the right move. Brady still had Super bowls
Speaker 1: with New England and Tampa left in the tank, and
Speaker 1: Garoppolo's a B quarterback. Some would say SC quarterback got
Speaker 1: to a Super Bowl, maybe a C plus. So I
Speaker 1: think the lack of ownership has really hurt Green Bay.
Speaker 1: The other thing is they've been overly frugal. An owner
Speaker 1: can sometimes step in and say go get that free agent,
Speaker 1: make it work. They don't have that. So in the end,
Speaker 1: sometimes in life, things you see as an advantage can
Speaker 1: be a real disadvantage. And it may feel like for
Speaker 1: far Aaron Rodgers, it's such an advantage not having that hovering, meddling,
Speaker 1: powerful billionaire. But I think in both cases Farven Rodgers
Speaker 1: kind of took advantage of it, had leverage, manipulated, used it,
Speaker 1: and in the end the franchise booted both. I do
Speaker 1: think Jordan Love can play. I don't think he's going
Speaker 1: to be great. If he was going to be great,
Speaker 1: if he was Mahomes or Borrow, they would have already
Speaker 1: moved off Aaron, not given him an extension. Didn't take
Speaker 1: very long one training camp a month in September to
Speaker 1: figure out Mahomes was really good. Let's move off Alex Smith,
Speaker 1: who was a pro bowler and making the playoffs when
Speaker 1: they moved off him. I also don't think he's Zach
Speaker 1: Wilson or EJ. Manuel, where you know instantly it doesn't work.
Speaker 1: He's somewhere in between. My takeaway is if you look
Speaker 1: at who the Packers play next year and the quarterbacks
Speaker 1: they play on average in the NFC, they want eight
Speaker 1: games this year with Aaron, I think they're about an
Speaker 1: eight to nine win team next year with Jordan Love,
Speaker 1: barring some injury. I do think they're gonna get this
Speaker 1: deal done. I think they're going to get either a
Speaker 1: first round pick or a really good player from the
Speaker 1: New York Jets. But I don't see them capsizing at all.
Speaker 1: I do, however, find it absolutely remarkable that Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: was surprised when he came out of the darkness retreat
Speaker 1: his words, not mine, and the Green Bay Packers had
Speaker 1: decided to move on. Wow, you could be pissed. That's different.
Speaker 1: You could be upset. Okay, you can't be surprised for
Speaker 1: the second third year in a row talking retirement. You
Speaker 1: can't be surprised. You're not allowed to be surprised. As
Speaker 1: an adult with a functioning brain, you're not allowed to
Speaker 1: be surprised. So Michael Jordan is reportedly selling his shares
Speaker 1: in the Charlotte Hornets. You know, it's really interesting about
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan. So he tried baseball, he failed. He tried ownership,
Speaker 1: he was awful. He tried the Wizards, it bombed. Everybody
Speaker 1: understand that. Take out Scottie Pippen and Phil Jackson. This
Speaker 1: whole Michael Jordan mythology is sort of just that he's
Speaker 1: arguably the greatest basketball player of all time, but he's
Speaker 1: done a lot of stuff. Never the golfer he claimed
Speaker 1: failed at baseball. Bad NBA personnel guy, not a very
Speaker 1: strong owner Hornets have been mediocre and uninteresting forever. He
Speaker 1: was a great, great basketball player, and I always thought
Speaker 1: where Lebron is clearly superior to Michael Jordan is Lebron.
Speaker 1: His game is his personality. He's a giver. He's a
Speaker 1: very giving guy. He likes on the floor to elevate players.
Speaker 1: I never thought Michael necessarily elevated all his teammates. He
Speaker 1: took shots away from Quentin Daily, Orlando Woolridge, Scottie Pippen,
Speaker 1: Tony Coo, coach. Michael took shots away from others Lebron.
Speaker 1: Think about Lebron's career. Who hasn't played their best basketball
Speaker 1: with Lebron James. He elevated everybody. I mean j R.
Speaker 1: Smith worked late in his career with Lebron James. It
Speaker 1: was Kyrie's best basketball, Shane Battier his most important shots.
Speaker 1: Everybody works with Lebron, from his schools to his style,
Speaker 1: who his game, do his businesses. He got multiple partners.
Speaker 1: Michael was always a bit of a selfish player. He's
Speaker 1: a bit of a selfish guy, and he's not great
Speaker 1: at building community. He's great at building wealth. For Michael Jordan,
Speaker 1: that's fine. It's not a criticism, it's a reality of
Speaker 1: who Michael is. I don't think he made everybody else better.
Speaker 1: He failed with multiple coaches, he failed without Pippin, He
Speaker 1: failed in baseball, he failed in Washington, He failed as
Speaker 1: a GM and an owner in Charlotte. What he was
Speaker 1: was a great basketball player, very self centric. He was remarkable.
Speaker 1: He deserves to be the first or second best basketball
Speaker 1: player of all time. The three best I've ever seen
Speaker 1: that weren't centers, MJ. Lebron and Magic Johnson, and they're
Speaker 1: a notch above even the Tim Duncans and Larry Birds
Speaker 1: not counting centers. But it's not a surprise. Michael's always
Speaker 1: had a small group of friends, very loyal to that
Speaker 1: small group of friends. But he doesn't have the ability
Speaker 1: or the interest to be more of a Lebron to
Speaker 1: help others beyond his circle. That's not really what Michael is.
Speaker 1: That he only recently started some very noteworthy giving, some
Speaker 1: public giving to either a political process or a charity.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he hadn't done it for years privately.
Speaker 1: And that's not a criticism of Michael. Again, it's just
Speaker 1: his reality. But you know, if you look at Magic
Speaker 1: Johnson and Lebron James. Their games are very similar because
Speaker 1: their personalities are very similar. They have a large community
Speaker 1: of friends and allies and their givers at their core,
Speaker 1: and it's made Magic one of the richest athletes of
Speaker 1: all time and Lebron one of the richest athletes of
Speaker 1: all time. But it's also enriched others where Michael's often
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Speaker 1: All right, let's bring on Marcus Thompson. I've said this
Speaker 1: before in my career. My job is to tell you
Speaker 1: what I know, but I don't always need to know
Speaker 1: the why. Sometimes it's none of my business. Uh. The
Speaker 1: Andrew Wiggins situation is really none of my business. I
Speaker 1: know it's very serious. It's a family matter. What I
Speaker 1: was told, and now I have two people that have
Speaker 1: said it's really really serious. The Warriors totally support him,
Speaker 1: but there is some doubt if he'll be available going forward.
Speaker 1: There's no certainty. There's real doubt. So let's bring in Marcus.
Speaker 1: You know a lot more than I do. I have
Speaker 1: been told it's extremely serious, and the Warriors completely respect
Speaker 1: his privacy. And so again, that's none of my business.
Speaker 1: I'm not talking anybody's fam that's none of my business.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about availability. You're reporting, you're sourcing, you're guessing.
Speaker 1: Is it a reasonable assumption that he would miss the
Speaker 1: regular season but perhaps be a postseason participant? You know,
Speaker 1: it's possible, depending on who you talk to. There's some
Speaker 1: people who expect him to be back. There's some people
Speaker 1: who don't want to put that on him, right, Like, hey, dude,
Speaker 1: what you gotta do? We don't really want to pressure you, right,
Speaker 1: you know, you got to handle this. The difficulty about
Speaker 1: that proposition of missing the regular season to come back
Speaker 1: from the playoffs is who you're getting. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: two months, two months of no basketball. I doubt he's
Speaker 1: picked up the ball a ball, right, I have to
Speaker 1: guess his condition. It wouldn't be great, so it would
Speaker 1: be a tall order to ask him. And then we
Speaker 1: don't know what his mental condition will be. We know this,
Speaker 1: this dude doesn't miss games, like he just doesn't. I
Speaker 1: mean his first six years he missed like four total games. Like,
Speaker 1: he doesn't miss games. So whatever it is, it's got
Speaker 1: to be it's incredibly serious. Whatever it is. There's a
Speaker 1: locker room with dudes who want to win a championship
Speaker 1: who are like, oh, this is bad, Like you handle that, like,
Speaker 1: we're not even mad. So I don't know how. I
Speaker 1: don't know how you come back from that in the
Speaker 1: middle of a playoff setting and produce. I mean, we've
Speaker 1: seen crazy things, but that would be a lot to ask.
Speaker 1: So I think they just have to start preparing mentally
Speaker 1: for the fact that he won't be there, and if
Speaker 1: he comes, like, that's a bonus. Yeah, I mean they
Speaker 1: wanted Jonathan Kuminga perhaps to develop. He's very twitchy, very athletic,
Speaker 1: can be very forceful around the rim. They wanted him
Speaker 1: to develop. He doesn't have the touch. He's not the
Speaker 1: defensive player yet of Wiggins, but he's wildly athletic. But
Speaker 1: if you could get twelve minutes a night. He didn't
Speaker 1: do squat in the playoffs last year because Kurt didn't
Speaker 1: trust him yet. Do you think Steve Kerr trusts him
Speaker 1: because Iggy now has an injury? How many minutes per
Speaker 1: night in the playoff game do you believe Steve Kerr
Speaker 1: would be comfortable with Jonathan Kuminga. I don't really think
Speaker 1: he has a choice. I mean, the other option is
Speaker 1: a two way guy that they're probably going to convert,
Speaker 1: Anthony Lamb. So I mean, geez, Comigo is never seven pick.
Speaker 1: I do think he does a couple of things that
Speaker 1: the words could use, Like he's a ball pressure. He's
Speaker 1: good at that, so at some point they'll use him.
Speaker 1: I think it's somewhere between twelve forty minutes, depending on
Speaker 1: how he plays. Right, he'll probably get twelve baked in
Speaker 1: maybe fifteen if they're not good, especially in that second half,
Speaker 1: then he just won't go back to him. Like that's
Speaker 1: that's kind of how Steve has been. If he's playing
Speaker 1: really well, if he's giving somebody problems, now you up
Speaker 1: it because they need it. They don't have a lot
Speaker 1: of other defensive options, right, Like they don't have a
Speaker 1: lot of lockdown guys. I mean, here's the interesting part.
Speaker 1: Does Gary Payton's second make it back? And how does
Speaker 1: that impact? Because if if you don't get Wiggins and
Speaker 1: you don't have a GP two, the only other guy
Speaker 1: who can do what they what they do is doctor division,
Speaker 1: Zoe and Jonathan and that's it. The rest is like
Speaker 1: y'all beat you off the dribble. So it's almost like, yo,
Speaker 1: what do you have to lose anyway, just run out there.
Speaker 1: If you don't win, you probably are the seventh seed anyways,
Speaker 1: So would you expect, Well, Clay Thompson's having his best
Speaker 1: year and maybe sex he is absolutely great, Jordan pool
Speaker 1: Deep and Genzo Steph Curry had fifty against the Clippers.
Speaker 1: So it's a team that's guard heavy and if things
Speaker 1: don't work out with the loss, with the movement of
Speaker 1: Wiseman and Wiggins, they're a small team, and they're not
Speaker 1: going to be as good defensively. So you know I've
Speaker 1: said this before, I've thrown this out there, is that
Speaker 1: because Steph can still be on any night the best
Speaker 1: player in the league on any night against anybody, Clay
Speaker 1: has rebounded with an all star level second half in performance.
Speaker 1: Draymond is still a catalyst. Wiggins, we presume would come back.
Speaker 1: I'll throw it out there. If they got into the
Speaker 1: playoffs and got pushed around by a big, forget em
Speaker 1: beat or Jannis. I'm talking Yokich. They got pushed around
Speaker 1: a little bit by a big. They have the arsenal
Speaker 1: of guards now, especially scoring guards. They're not moving Steph,
Speaker 1: but Jordan Poole, you know they've got enough guys they
Speaker 1: could move this team. I still believe, bullieves we got
Speaker 1: a championship left. Could you see them going out and
Speaker 1: getting And I'll throw a big at you. You don't
Speaker 1: have to. He'll give you twenty two points a night
Speaker 1: without designing a single play for him. Anthony Davis and
Speaker 1: just say, listen, we know you're not giving us thirty
Speaker 1: eight minutes, and we know you're not giving us eighty
Speaker 1: two games. We're not asking that and because I look
Speaker 1: at the Warriors and I think to myself, right now,
Speaker 1: I've lost confidence without Wiggins and Iggy, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think they can get to the NBA Finals.
Speaker 1: I don't now the break is of course, Marcus k
Speaker 1: D's out, and you know that's a big thing. And
Speaker 1: I don't trust the Clippers. Have you let's start with this,
Speaker 1: Have you lost confidence in this team going forward getting
Speaker 1: to the finals? Yeah, no question. They can't win on
Speaker 1: the road. They lose the teams they should beat. I
Speaker 1: always thought it was gonna be tough anyway, Like repeating
Speaker 1: is not easy, Like it's not that's all of teams
Speaker 1: to do it. So even if they brought back the
Speaker 1: same team, it's not like when they had KD and
Speaker 1: it was like, all right, we're we're about to repeat,
Speaker 1: Like normally it gets harder in the second year. But
Speaker 1: now I think they're they'll upset somebody. Right That third series, though,
Speaker 1: would be tough, because whatever they do, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: on stuff. It's gonna be on play, right, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be on Dremond. And now it's like you you fight
Speaker 1: through one series, right, you upset somebody, you get another series.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be harder. Now you can start to see
Speaker 1: it take toll because keep in mind, they've been playing
Speaker 1: hard all year. It's not it's not like twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen where they were chilling on like all right,
Speaker 1: we're here for the finals run like, No, they've been
Speaker 1: They've been trying to beat teams. So the difficulty I
Speaker 1: see is they've been putting in a lot of work
Speaker 1: and on the back end that catch us up. We've
Speaker 1: seen this before twenty sixteen. They chase seventy three, you know,
Speaker 1: got up three one and the legs are gone right,
Speaker 1: and that's obviously a better setting for them, But it's
Speaker 1: just tough to envision and winning three series to get
Speaker 1: to the finals and then't win in a four for him, like,
Speaker 1: that's a lot. I just think they need to have
Speaker 1: a good showing and if they knock off YO Kids
Speaker 1: or knock off KD, that's something real. Now you're talking
Speaker 1: about all right steps still legit? Who were keeping out
Speaker 1: of Draymond and in Clay or maybe Draymond's like, yo,
Speaker 1: I'm out, I got an opt out. Somebody wants to
Speaker 1: pay me a max, I'm out. Those are the decisions.
Speaker 1: Here's I don't think the reason. I don't think they'll
Speaker 1: go Anthony Davis, the owner, wants to go young. That
Speaker 1: was the whole Wiseman thing. I don't want a bunch
Speaker 1: of thirty five year olds so when they fall off,
Speaker 1: we're like a lottery team. Again. He doesn't want to
Speaker 1: do that. He wants somebody young. He wants to swap
Speaker 1: out Steph and make it a seamless transition to the
Speaker 1: next guy. So I think he'll want a guy who's
Speaker 1: young here, ready to play. He wanted Steve Kirks, who
Speaker 1: played the young guys this year. So I don't think
Speaker 1: he's going on thirty plus. He's going he might go
Speaker 1: twenty five. That might be the compromise instead of twenty one.
Speaker 1: It'll be twenty five. It's there, but it won't be
Speaker 1: It won't be another thirty something unless he just decides,
Speaker 1: let's ride the wheels till they fall off with Stephen them.
Speaker 1: So most have observed and speculated that the Draymond Pool
Speaker 1: punch created a bit of a rift and a chasm
Speaker 1: between young and old guys in the locker room. And
Speaker 1: they note, and I think with some accuracy, that it's
Speaker 1: a bad road team, and on the road is where
Speaker 1: unity factors in. There's almost no explanation Marcus for being abysmal. Shit,
Speaker 1: They're as bad as the Rockets in the Orlando Magic
Speaker 1: and Detroit on the road. Do you believe it? Does?
Speaker 1: It does feel like this is maybe a clickier team,
Speaker 1: that the gap between young and old is sizable. Oh,
Speaker 1: I thought that that was true from the beginning. I
Speaker 1: mean it's like literally like a red sea in between them, right, Right,
Speaker 1: I got the old hands who wants championships, and then
Speaker 1: you have like the homeroom squad. Right, you have the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, and you got the home room. They
Speaker 1: got six guys who like haven't done much before in
Speaker 1: the league, and then you have this super high bar
Speaker 1: of championship standard. Right. It was already like that, I mean,
Speaker 1: just tangibly just thinking about who they are at their ages, right, Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, Steps is the nicest guy in the league. Right,
Speaker 1: he gets along with everybody, but he's thirty five. He's
Speaker 1: got like kids and stuff, like he's got an IRA councilabusites,
Speaker 1: like he's got hanging out with twenty one year old
Speaker 1: like he'll do you know, he could put his arm
Speaker 1: around the guy in the locker room and all that,
Speaker 1: but got teenage daughters. They just don't have anything in common.
Speaker 1: And you could look in the locker room and you
Speaker 1: could say, is this is this team looks like they're
Speaker 1: having a bit of fun. There's some like gelling that
Speaker 1: you probably didn't think happened after somebody got rocked in
Speaker 1: training camp, right, but what's to you can't really there's
Speaker 1: this like u intangible part of the punch that you
Speaker 1: can't quantify, right, Like what happens if they don't have
Speaker 1: that and they get off to a start in the
Speaker 1: chemistry is great, and now they don't lose five straight
Speaker 1: road games to start the season, Like it's like it's
Speaker 1: almost like not saving money. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You don't lose money, but you don't know you don't
Speaker 1: know what you would have done if you would have
Speaker 1: invested it, right, So we don't know how that impacted
Speaker 1: the season. All we know is they got off to
Speaker 1: a rough start. It was kind of a mess and
Speaker 1: it felt like a set of tone for the season.
Speaker 1: So even if they're fine now, right, even if they're
Speaker 1: like they've overcome in and gotten through it, there was
Speaker 1: a cost that they paid that we can kind of
Speaker 1: see now. And I think it again on the road
Speaker 1: first out the back five game road trip, they lose
Speaker 1: in the Charlotte and Orlando right like, and they're playing
Speaker 1: like Stephano It's not like they had a bunch of
Speaker 1: young guys. They weren't able to close against bad teams
Speaker 1: to start that on five road trips out a tone.
Speaker 1: So I think there is an intangible like costs from that,
Speaker 1: even if they might have gotten through it. And since
Speaker 1: well Steve Kerb played GM broadcasting and coached, he's got
Speaker 1: a lot of money, He's got a lot of interests.
Speaker 1: It could be surfing, it could be travel, and coaching
Speaker 1: in this league is a real grind. As this dynasty,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's winding down. I still think it
Speaker 1: has legs for the next two to three years because
Speaker 1: I think Steph is you know. I think at some
Speaker 1: point they could go to Steph and say, listen, we're
Speaker 1: gonna have you play sixty games. That's what you're gonna
Speaker 1: play in the regular season. You pick your spot. I
Speaker 1: think that's the next step, and that may be next
Speaker 1: year because shooters can last a lot longer than like
Speaker 1: a Westbrook who's a hyper athletic guard, and they lose
Speaker 1: the athleticism. Not the same guy. Steph can play for
Speaker 1: the next five years and hit jumpers. The key is
Speaker 1: twenty six minutes fifty eight games. They're not quite there yet.
Speaker 1: But let me ask you about Steve Kerr. He defended
Speaker 1: Draymond and has before. In fact, it's very interesting to
Speaker 1: me this year particularly, he has been so positive about
Speaker 1: Draymond publicly, gone out of his way publicly, so much
Speaker 1: so that I notice, where do you think Kerr is
Speaker 1: at with the dynasty himself, Draymond, the age bridge. Where
Speaker 1: is he at when you cover him nightly? He seems
Speaker 1: to be in a place where he like kind of
Speaker 1: likes the challenge of coaching, right Like, it seems like
Speaker 1: he likes the struggle of training young guys and teaching them,
Speaker 1: except he don't really play them like. It's it's kind
Speaker 1: of weird. When he talks, it sounds like it sounds
Speaker 1: different than it looks right He like he'll say, oh,
Speaker 1: this young guys really developed. I love Moses Moody. Moses
Speaker 1: Moody great, and Moses Moody doesn't play. I think the
Speaker 1: decisions with the roster at the beginning of the year
Speaker 1: kind of created a chasm that they're gonna have to
Speaker 1: figure out an off season. Like, here's the other thing.
Speaker 1: It's Bob Myers coming back. Bob Mars doesn't have a contract.
Speaker 1: That's that could be. I mean, we're looking at Draymond
Speaker 1: is like, what is Draymond gonna do? Bob Myers might
Speaker 1: be the domino that changes things. And then, like you said,
Speaker 1: Steve's got so many interests. If it gets too different,
Speaker 1: so Steve stick around. Steve could go do whatever he want.
Speaker 1: That's one of the things I love about Steve, Like
Speaker 1: he's like, yo, I can leave tomorrow. I'll be great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my life is good, right, Like it's fine Steve forever.
Speaker 1: Steve's on a short list of the smartest people that
Speaker 1: have ever been in this league. He's got a million interests.
Speaker 1: It's like he just has that comfort in his felf
Speaker 1: where it's like where other people are making decisions to
Speaker 1: keep a job, Steve is like, yeah, I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: what I think is best. And if you want to
Speaker 1: fire me, fire me. But I got eleven thousand rings,
Speaker 1: so I'm good. I'm just like there was definitely a
Speaker 1: thing between the front office and the coaches staff, like no,
Speaker 1: not playing wise, but not playing comedic and not playing moody, right,
Speaker 1: playing two way guys over him, Like he seems to
Speaker 1: enjoy this position of what we want. We gotta do
Speaker 1: what's best for us, and I'm just gonna coach how
Speaker 1: I want to coach. It's got to be pretty free.
Speaker 1: But you know, the owners like, yo, I'm invested in
Speaker 1: all these young players, like we need to prepare four
Speaker 1: in five years. So when you talk to him, when
Speaker 1: you hear him, he sounds like a coach who's kind
Speaker 1: of yeah, this is how you build. We're building something
Speaker 1: like we're growing. But then when you see him like coach,
Speaker 1: he's like, yo, I'm trying to win, like I run
Speaker 1: of guys I think can win. But it's interesting here
Speaker 1: he's so like at peace with himself. I think just
Speaker 1: about everything he does, there's a sense of comfort to it, right,
Speaker 1: Like even even when you if you're critical Steve and
Speaker 1: he brings it up to you, it's not how could
Speaker 1: you say that? He's like, yeah, let's talk about sure,
Speaker 1: Sure there's criticism, right, Like, I'm gonna talk to you
Speaker 1: about it, and it's fine. Because I already know who
Speaker 1: I am, right, So it's it's a it's a it's
Speaker 1: a weird space to be in because the owner is like,
Speaker 1: why aren't you playing Wiseman? Why aren't you playing Cominga
Speaker 1: And he's like, yeah, I'm trying to win, and I
Speaker 1: do what I want because I'm Steve Kerr. Right. Well,
Speaker 1: I also think, um, if you look at the player.
Speaker 1: I've been saying this on the the air recently when
Speaker 1: they bring players in, there's a common thread why they work,
Speaker 1: and it's not offen ig Iggy works, he's a willing defender.
Speaker 1: Katie worked a willing defender. Wiggins worked a willing defender.
Speaker 1: DeAngelo Russell didn't like, you gotta play defense. Steve Kerr
Speaker 1: may have been a three point shooter. We may view
Speaker 1: this as an offensive dynasty, but if you're not willing
Speaker 1: to put your body out there, this shit ain't gonna work.
Speaker 1: When I watched Wiseman, I never thought he was a fit.
Speaker 1: I also think this is a very heavy offense. It's
Speaker 1: a catch and react offense. I think it's really hard
Speaker 1: for young players. And so I watch almost every Warrior
Speaker 1: game to some degree or I'm all over the box
Speaker 1: scoring the highlights. Shit, man, this is not this is
Speaker 1: not remedial stuff. To some degree, could I not defend
Speaker 1: Steve Curran say it's probably the most complicated offense in
Speaker 1: the league. It's it's definitely advanced out of patrigue, right,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe calculus in some sense. You have to have
Speaker 1: played basketball to understand, like it's a lot of little stuff.
Speaker 1: He's always talking about quick decisions. Right point, you got
Speaker 1: point five seconds to make a decision, decide what you're
Speaker 1: gonna do. That's just not how young players roll, man,
Speaker 1: that's not And the unique part about all this it
Speaker 1: is the players day selected was basically a pitot. It
Speaker 1: was like, all right, Steph is hurt, plays out. We
Speaker 1: have no idea what the dynasty is going to be,
Speaker 1: or if it's what we're going to be in the future.
Speaker 1: They went fifteen and fifty. Remember they didn't even make
Speaker 1: the bubble a draft wise man, because that's like, all right,
Speaker 1: we have to figure out how we're gonna play now
Speaker 1: without these generational talents. Steph comes back and he's like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, I'm still a superman. And now it's like,
Speaker 1: wait a second, let's let's continue playing how we play
Speaker 1: and his first year back was a bunch of dudes
Speaker 1: around them who didn't know how to play with him,
Speaker 1: like Kelly Ubrey, Brad Wannam, make it right, those type
Speaker 1: of guy they had to like say all right, let's
Speaker 1: cater this thing around Steph. But they got these young
Speaker 1: guys who they aren't playing like that. They're not like, hey,
Speaker 1: let's let's get Steff open, let's make quick decisions, let's
Speaker 1: move the ball, let's let's flare screened and right read
Speaker 1: react like you gotta be smart. It was just a
Speaker 1: bad mix, right, And it's hard to say Steve is wrong.
Speaker 1: If you watch these guys play, there's a school of thought.
Speaker 1: It's like, hey, give them time, right, put them out there,
Speaker 1: they figure it out. This is what young players get.
Speaker 1: They're normally on a bad team. You get to just
Speaker 1: roll out there and look terrible for a while and
Speaker 1: eventually you get it. But like if you're watching them,
Speaker 1: you can see as not working. Right, if you're Steve
Speaker 1: Kerr and you got a responsibility to Steph Curry, to
Speaker 1: Clay Thompson, Draymond Green, you can't be putting guys out
Speaker 1: there who don't know where to go. So they it
Speaker 1: was just a It was a bad setup. They were
Speaker 1: ready to pivot. It was gonna be old school Colin.
Speaker 1: It was gonna be the big man who could run
Speaker 1: the floor and catch the ball in the paint. Right,
Speaker 1: you got cominga finishing at the rim, a traditional like
Speaker 1: they were gonna pivot. They weren't a big man. They
Speaker 1: never had that. It was Jaza Petulia, David West and
Speaker 1: Andrew Boga centers who didn't score. They were like, wise, man,
Speaker 1: all right, this the new era, this Chase center, right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have a big man. And Steph came back
Speaker 1: and blew that all up, and they weren't prepared to
Speaker 1: switch back. So that's been the big riff. But Steve's
Speaker 1: clearly like, listen, man, we won championships with the way
Speaker 1: we play, so we're running this. It's like novacaine. You
Speaker 1: just keep gi give it time. It always work. Let's
Speaker 1: pump it back to um Andrew Wiggins and you know again,
Speaker 1: I put it out there. I had a couple of
Speaker 1: people tell me they doubted strongly he would return. And
Speaker 1: my takeaway, as I believe people, has it been an
Speaker 1: uncomfortable story for you because you are a journalist, You're
Speaker 1: a guy that that is constantly looking to uncover things.
Speaker 1: When you wrote your KD book, Steff book, you gave
Speaker 1: me nuggets that I never knew that's what you do.
Speaker 1: Has it been hard to cover it? Knowing it's intensely private,
Speaker 1: the organization's not going to let it out. But your
Speaker 1: job is to cover stuff and uncover stuff. It hasn't
Speaker 1: been hard because this team just has fifty eight storylines
Speaker 1: all the time, right, So we could always fall back
Speaker 1: on you know, right about Steath, right about play, right
Speaker 1: about Draymond. But the difficulty is this is one of
Speaker 1: the rare situations where nobody's telling you anything. That's the difficulty, Right.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, they they they've they've really kind
Speaker 1: of closed ranks. And this is the same team where
Speaker 1: they had a videotape leak, right, like an unprecedented leak
Speaker 1: of a practice punch. So I think they just got
Speaker 1: so fed up that they were like, this is one
Speaker 1: we're going to stop, right, And that to me is
Speaker 1: the most difficult part. Where it's like you talk to
Speaker 1: people and the people who normally be like, hey man,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you what's going on, don't write it
Speaker 1: even they're like, yeah, we can't. We're not telling you
Speaker 1: anything because just know it's bad and just trust us. Right.
Speaker 1: So in that sense, it's been. It's not difficult because
Speaker 1: like I mean, these are pros, man, they won championships.
Speaker 1: You know, if there was a player who they thought
Speaker 1: to be on the court and wasn't on the court,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't know how to bite their tongue. Like Draymond
Speaker 1: pop off on the volume right on volume sports someone,
Speaker 1: why is this gout not playing? So when these dudes
Speaker 1: who are professionals at the highest level, right, who are winners,
Speaker 1: they're like, nah, man, this is bad. Like we we
Speaker 1: support them, we rock with them. We're not We're not
Speaker 1: gonna throw like, you know, throw them under the bus
Speaker 1: or anything like that. It's easy to trust them because
Speaker 1: you kind of know who they are and you know
Speaker 1: what they are. But I haven't been it's been a
Speaker 1: long time college since I couldn't find out like the
Speaker 1: inner details, you know what I'm saying, Like, it's been
Speaker 1: a while, and that's a testamental Wiggins. Like Wiggins, he
Speaker 1: doesn't put himself out there like that, and that's just
Speaker 1: kind of been his his deal. And some guys like
Speaker 1: for most people, as you know, it's hard to shut
Speaker 1: people up. This whole industry runs on the fact that
Speaker 1: people don't know how to shut up. Right. So for
Speaker 1: Wiggins though, like he doesn't put himself out there like that.
Speaker 1: He's very private and they are respecting it, and I
Speaker 1: kind of I respect them for that, right, Like I
Speaker 1: respect them for saying not a not in this situation
Speaker 1: because you know, they've literally had fights in practice that
Speaker 1: we found out of that literally. Finally, are you shocked
Speaker 1: at how good Clay has played this year? Because I
Speaker 1: didn't think he could get there? So it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: these dudes are her young college. They're not twenty seven,
Speaker 1: not twenty eight, like they're thirty something. The shocking part
Speaker 1: is just how petty and determined they are, how stubborn, right,
Speaker 1: It's like that that's a stubborn dude. Clay. He's like,
Speaker 1: I don't care what y'all say, I'm going to be
Speaker 1: Clay again. And at times it just did not look
Speaker 1: like it. It did not look like even Steve Kerry
Speaker 1: was talking about, Hey man, you're about the age where
Speaker 1: it's time to change the game a little bit. You know,
Speaker 1: post ups, fade aways like chill on the chill on
Speaker 1: the old play, and then he go out and give
Speaker 1: Booker thirty three in the first half, right, like he's
Speaker 1: that stubborn like I don't care, I don't care, Like
Speaker 1: it's it's actually kind of amazing when you think about it,
Speaker 1: Like these dudes are older, and a little bit has
Speaker 1: to do with the modern times. Players are playing longer,
Speaker 1: the loads management, this is where it pays off, and
Speaker 1: like this right, this is the this is what their
Speaker 1: trainers and the scientists are saying, this is why you
Speaker 1: do it, because look, a guy could come back from
Speaker 1: two injuries and regain his career. So we just never
Speaker 1: seen this before. We haven't seen Brian Steph dropped fifty
Speaker 1: at thirty five. He just turned thirty five and he
Speaker 1: dropped fifty like it was nothing. Right. These dudes are
Speaker 1: kind of modern marvels in that sense. But there was
Speaker 1: some There was the times where Clay did it looked
Speaker 1: like he would get back and it was hurting the team, right,
Speaker 1: It was hurting Tea because he's trying to show you
Speaker 1: I still got it right. It was like you you know,
Speaker 1: how you get out there, you try to do them
Speaker 1: old mooses. He used to do back when you was dancing.
Speaker 1: You know, you went to last three, you break dance.
Speaker 1: You're like, no, I still got it. I still got it.
Speaker 1: Then you throw out your back like Clay used to
Speaker 1: have those type of moments. Now I still got it.
Speaker 1: And he's missing right. Oh, no, game six Clay, and
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, dude, just four for twenty so you
Speaker 1: didn't know he would get back here. And then he's
Speaker 1: like has a stretch where he goes nuts, absolutely nuts,
Speaker 1: and he looks like the old Clay again, Like I
Speaker 1: respect the stubbornness that dude. He told us he was
Speaker 1: gonna be back, and we believe him. But he's back.
Speaker 1: Marcus Thompson as always enjoyed the Roadie. Great scene again, buddy,
Speaker 1: you don't break Dansty You're done right. No, although although
Speaker 1: you get a cocktail in me, shit gets wild. He
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