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Speaker 1: welcome in Friday Morning Podcast. One of my favorite guys

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Speaker 1: in all the media, Marcus Thompson, works for the Athletic

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Speaker 1: Marcus is really good. He's written several books, one on KD,

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Speaker 1: one on Steph. Curry does a great job, has really

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Speaker 1: close relationships with guys on that team. We're gonna ask

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Speaker 1: him about the Andrew Wiggins situation. Draymond Green's not going

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Speaker 1: to play against Atlanta, So no Wiggins, no Draymond Green.

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Speaker 1: This team is abysmal on the road. We'll talk about that.

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Speaker 1: A lot of issues, So give me six or seven

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Speaker 1: minutes on this. I've spent this week overwhelmingly on one topic,

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers to the Jets, And I know at times

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Speaker 1: it feels tedious, but you know, I've something I've said

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Speaker 1: probably twenty five times in my thirty year career about

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Speaker 1: my shows radio or TV, is that you the consumer,

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Speaker 1: You the listener. You drive the bus. So I'm able

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Speaker 1: to because I'm on cable television, to see every minute

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Speaker 1: of my ratings every day. You can't do that on

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Speaker 1: broadcast TV, but you can do it on cable and

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Speaker 1: I monitor it, and I monitor it for one reason.

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Speaker 1: You tell me what you're bored with. You tell me

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Speaker 1: what you're interested with. I think the height of arrogance

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Speaker 1: as a broadcast is pretending I know every day what's

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Speaker 1: most interesting, so I follow you and I I And

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Speaker 1: this has happened to me multiple times over my career

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Speaker 1: that I've loved a topic, just thought it was absolutely

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Speaker 1: wonderful and fascinating, and the next day I see my

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Speaker 1: far more that interest you. And conversely, there are times

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Speaker 1: I've touched on topics and I'm really shocked by how

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Speaker 1: much you care. So that it's my job to make calls,

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Speaker 1: take better notes, figure out why you like it, and

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Speaker 1: talk about it. So in the Aaron Rodgers situation of

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Speaker 1: the Jets, it's the combination of multiple things. The most

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Speaker 1: popular sport in the country the NFL, the most crucial

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Speaker 1: and the most polarizing quarterback in the most popular sport,

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. So this week I can watch my downloads,

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Speaker 1: i can watch my cable ratings. They've all been really,

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Speaker 1: the clips from Aaron Rodgers on the YouTube Pat McAfee deal,

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Speaker 1: and you know, that's a friendly place for him to

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Speaker 1: He asked puff fluffy questions and my takeaways. It's called

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Speaker 1: McAfee's just it's a comfortable place for Aaron to go,

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Speaker 1: the most shocking revelation to me is that Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: after the retreat said ninety percent going in he was

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Speaker 1: has a history of ghosting people who say anything critical

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Speaker 1: of him. You surround yourself with yes men, and nobody

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Speaker 1: the packers have never had an owner, right, they don't

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Speaker 1: have an owner who calls him out in his stuff.

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Speaker 1: If Green Bay had an owner, Aaron Rodgers would not

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Speaker 1: non meddling, is highly supportive. But but will hold coaches,

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Speaker 1: The other thing is they've been overly frugal. An owner

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Speaker 1: if he was Mahomes or Borrow, they would have already

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Speaker 1: his words, not mine, and the Green Bay Packers had

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Speaker 1: Michael was always a bit of a selfish player. He's

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Speaker 1: at building community. He's great at building wealth. For Michael Jordan,

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Speaker 1: All right, let's bring on Marcus Thompson. I've said this

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Speaker 1: You know a lot more than I do. I have

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about availability. You're reporting, you're sourcing, you're guessing.

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Speaker 1: that's kind of how Steve has been. If he's playing

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Speaker 1: what do you have to lose anyway, just run out there.

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Speaker 1: If you don't win, you probably are the seventh seed anyways,

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Speaker 1: So would you expect, Well, Clay Thompson's having his best

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Speaker 1: just say, listen, we know you're not giving us thirty

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Speaker 1: I don't think they can get to the NBA Finals.

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Speaker 1: just tangibly just thinking about who they are at their ages, right, Like,

421
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 1: I mean, Steps is the nicest guy in the league. Right,

422
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 1: he gets along with everybody, but he's thirty five. He's

423
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 1: got like kids and stuff, like he's got an IRA councilabusites,

424
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 1: like he's got hanging out with twenty one year old

425
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 1: like he'll do you know, he could put his arm

426
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 1: around the guy in the locker room and all that,

427
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 1: but got teenage daughters. They just don't have anything in common.

428
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 1: And you could look in the locker room and you

429
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 1: could say, is this is this team looks like they're

430
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 1: having a bit of fun. There's some like gelling that

431
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 1: you probably didn't think happened after somebody got rocked in

432
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 1: training camp, right, but what's to you can't really there's

433
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: this like u intangible part of the punch that you

434
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 1: can't quantify, right, Like what happens if they don't have

435
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 1: that and they get off to a start in the

436
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 1: chemistry is great, and now they don't lose five straight

437
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: road games to start the season, Like it's like it's

438
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 1: almost like not saving money. You know what I'm saying.

439
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: You don't lose money, but you don't know you don't

440
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: know what you would have done if you would have

441
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: invested it, right, So we don't know how that impacted

442
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 1: the season. All we know is they got off to

443
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 1: a rough start. It was kind of a mess and

444
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: it felt like a set of tone for the season.

445
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 1: So even if they're fine now, right, even if they're

446
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 1: like they've overcome in and gotten through it, there was

447
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: a cost that they paid that we can kind of

448
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 1: see now. And I think it again on the road

449
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 1: first out the back five game road trip, they lose

450
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 1: in the Charlotte and Orlando right like, and they're playing

451
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: like Stephano It's not like they had a bunch of

452
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 1: young guys. They weren't able to close against bad teams

453
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: to start that on five road trips out a tone.

454
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 1: So I think there is an intangible like costs from that,

455
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 1: even if they might have gotten through it. And since

456
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: well Steve Kerb played GM broadcasting and coached, he's got

457
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: a lot of money, He's got a lot of interests.

458
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:19,640
Speaker 1: It could be surfing, it could be travel, and coaching

459
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:24,199
Speaker 1: in this league is a real grind. As this dynasty,

460
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 1: I don't think it's winding down. I still think it

461
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: has legs for the next two to three years because

462
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: I think Steph is you know. I think at some

463
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,120
Speaker 1: point they could go to Steph and say, listen, we're

464
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 1: gonna have you play sixty games. That's what you're gonna

465
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 1: play in the regular season. You pick your spot. I

466
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: think that's the next step, and that may be next

467
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 1: year because shooters can last a lot longer than like

468
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 1: a Westbrook who's a hyper athletic guard, and they lose

469
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 1: the athleticism. Not the same guy. Steph can play for

470
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: the next five years and hit jumpers. The key is

471
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 1: twenty six minutes fifty eight games. They're not quite there yet.

472
00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: But let me ask you about Steve Kerr. He defended

473
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: Draymond and has before. In fact, it's very interesting to

474
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 1: me this year particularly, he has been so positive about

475
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 1: Draymond publicly, gone out of his way publicly, so much

476
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 1: so that I notice, where do you think Kerr is

477
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: at with the dynasty himself, Draymond, the age bridge. Where

478
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 1: is he at when you cover him nightly? He seems

479
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: to be in a place where he like kind of

480
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: likes the challenge of coaching, right Like, it seems like

481
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: he likes the struggle of training young guys and teaching them,

482
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: except he don't really play them like. It's it's kind

483
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: of weird. When he talks, it sounds like it sounds

484
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: different than it looks right He like he'll say, oh,

485
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 1: this young guys really developed. I love Moses Moody. Moses

486
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 1: Moody great, and Moses Moody doesn't play. I think the

487
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: decisions with the roster at the beginning of the year

488
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: kind of created a chasm that they're gonna have to

489
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: figure out an off season. Like, here's the other thing.

490
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: It's Bob Myers coming back. Bob Mars doesn't have a contract.

491
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: That's that could be. I mean, we're looking at Draymond

492
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: is like, what is Draymond gonna do? Bob Myers might

493
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 1: be the domino that changes things. And then, like you said,

494
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,479
Speaker 1: Steve's got so many interests. If it gets too different,

495
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 1: so Steve stick around. Steve could go do whatever he want.

496
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: That's one of the things I love about Steve, Like

497
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 1: he's like, yo, I can leave tomorrow. I'll be great. Yeah,

498
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: my life is good, right, Like it's fine Steve forever.

499
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: Steve's on a short list of the smartest people that

500
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: have ever been in this league. He's got a million interests.

501
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: It's like he just has that comfort in his felf

502
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: where it's like where other people are making decisions to

503
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: keep a job, Steve is like, yeah, I'm gonna do

504
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: what I think is best. And if you want to

505
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: fire me, fire me. But I got eleven thousand rings,

506
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: so I'm good. I'm just like there was definitely a

507
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: thing between the front office and the coaches staff, like no,

508
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: not playing wise, but not playing comedic and not playing moody, right,

509
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: playing two way guys over him, Like he seems to

510
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: enjoy this position of what we want. We gotta do

511
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: what's best for us, and I'm just gonna coach how

512
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: I want to coach. It's got to be pretty free.

513
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,959
Speaker 1: But you know, the owners like, yo, I'm invested in

514
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: all these young players, like we need to prepare four

515
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: in five years. So when you talk to him, when

516
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: you hear him, he sounds like a coach who's kind

517
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: of yeah, this is how you build. We're building something

518
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: like we're growing. But then when you see him like coach,

519
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: he's like, yo, I'm trying to win, like I run

520
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: of guys I think can win. But it's interesting here

521
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: he's so like at peace with himself. I think just

522
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: about everything he does, there's a sense of comfort to it, right,

523
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: Like even even when you if you're critical Steve and

524
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: he brings it up to you, it's not how could

525
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: you say that? He's like, yeah, let's talk about sure,

526
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: Sure there's criticism, right, Like, I'm gonna talk to you

527
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: about it, and it's fine. Because I already know who

528
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: I am, right, So it's it's a it's a it's

529
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: a weird space to be in because the owner is like,

530
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: why aren't you playing Wiseman? Why aren't you playing Cominga

531
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: And he's like, yeah, I'm trying to win, and I

532
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: do what I want because I'm Steve Kerr. Right. Well,

533
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: I also think, um, if you look at the player.

534
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: I've been saying this on the the air recently when

535
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: they bring players in, there's a common thread why they work,

536
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: and it's not offen ig Iggy works, he's a willing defender.

537
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: Katie worked a willing defender. Wiggins worked a willing defender.

538
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: DeAngelo Russell didn't like, you gotta play defense. Steve Kerr

539
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: may have been a three point shooter. We may view

540
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: this as an offensive dynasty, but if you're not willing

541
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: to put your body out there, this shit ain't gonna work.

542
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: When I watched Wiseman, I never thought he was a fit.

543
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: I also think this is a very heavy offense. It's

544
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: a catch and react offense. I think it's really hard

545
00:30:54,880 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: for young players. And so I watch almost every Warrior

546
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: game to some degree or I'm all over the box

547
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: scoring the highlights. Shit, man, this is not this is

548
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: not remedial stuff. To some degree, could I not defend

549
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: Steve Curran say it's probably the most complicated offense in

550
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: the league. It's it's definitely advanced out of patrigue, right,

551
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: maybe maybe calculus in some sense. You have to have

552
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: played basketball to understand, like it's a lot of little stuff.

553
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: He's always talking about quick decisions. Right point, you got

554
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: point five seconds to make a decision, decide what you're

555
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: gonna do. That's just not how young players roll, man,

556
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: that's not And the unique part about all this it

557
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: is the players day selected was basically a pitot. It

558
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: was like, all right, Steph is hurt, plays out. We

559
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: have no idea what the dynasty is going to be,

560
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: or if it's what we're going to be in the future.

561
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: They went fifteen and fifty. Remember they didn't even make

562
00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: the bubble a draft wise man, because that's like, all right,

563
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: we have to figure out how we're gonna play now

564
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: without these generational talents. Steph comes back and he's like,

565
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, I'm still a superman. And now it's like,

566
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: wait a second, let's let's continue playing how we play

567
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: and his first year back was a bunch of dudes

568
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: around them who didn't know how to play with him,

569
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: like Kelly Ubrey, Brad Wannam, make it right, those type

570
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: of guy they had to like say all right, let's

571
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: cater this thing around Steph. But they got these young

572
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: guys who they aren't playing like that. They're not like, hey,

573
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: let's let's get Steff open, let's make quick decisions, let's

574
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: move the ball, let's let's flare screened and right read

575
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: react like you gotta be smart. It was just a

576
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: bad mix, right, And it's hard to say Steve is wrong.

577
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: If you watch these guys play, there's a school of thought.

578
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: It's like, hey, give them time, right, put them out there,

579
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: they figure it out. This is what young players get.

580
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: They're normally on a bad team. You get to just

581
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: roll out there and look terrible for a while and

582
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: eventually you get it. But like if you're watching them,

583
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: you can see as not working. Right, if you're Steve

584
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: Kerr and you got a responsibility to Steph Curry, to

585
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: Clay Thompson, Draymond Green, you can't be putting guys out

586
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: there who don't know where to go. So they it

587
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: was just a It was a bad setup. They were

588
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: ready to pivot. It was gonna be old school Colin.

589
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: It was gonna be the big man who could run

590
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: the floor and catch the ball in the paint. Right,

591
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: you got cominga finishing at the rim, a traditional like

592
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: they were gonna pivot. They weren't a big man. They

593
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: never had that. It was Jaza Petulia, David West and

594
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: Andrew Boga centers who didn't score. They were like, wise, man,

595
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: all right, this the new era, this Chase center, right,

596
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: we're gonna have a big man. And Steph came back

597
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: and blew that all up, and they weren't prepared to

598
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: switch back. So that's been the big riff. But Steve's

599
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: clearly like, listen, man, we won championships with the way

600
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: we play, so we're running this. It's like novacaine. You

601
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: just keep gi give it time. It always work. Let's

602
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: pump it back to um Andrew Wiggins and you know again,

603
00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: I put it out there. I had a couple of

604
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: people tell me they doubted strongly he would return. And

605
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,959
Speaker 1: my takeaway, as I believe people, has it been an

606
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,439
Speaker 1: uncomfortable story for you because you are a journalist, You're

607
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: a guy that that is constantly looking to uncover things.

608
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 1: When you wrote your KD book, Steff book, you gave

609
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: me nuggets that I never knew that's what you do.

610
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: Has it been hard to cover it? Knowing it's intensely private,

611
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: the organization's not going to let it out. But your

612
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: job is to cover stuff and uncover stuff. It hasn't

613
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 1: been hard because this team just has fifty eight storylines

614
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,919
Speaker 1: all the time, right, So we could always fall back

615
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 1: on you know, right about Steath, right about play, right

616
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 1: about Draymond. But the difficulty is this is one of

617
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: the rare situations where nobody's telling you anything. That's the difficulty, Right.

618
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, they they they've they've really kind

619
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,959
Speaker 1: of closed ranks. And this is the same team where

620
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: they had a videotape leak, right, like an unprecedented leak

621
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: of a practice punch. So I think they just got

622
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: so fed up that they were like, this is one

623
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: we're going to stop, right, And that to me is

624
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: the most difficult part. Where it's like you talk to

625
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: people and the people who normally be like, hey man,

626
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you what's going on, don't write it

627
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: even they're like, yeah, we can't. We're not telling you

628
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: anything because just know it's bad and just trust us. Right.

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Speaker 1: So in that sense, it's been. It's not difficult because

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Speaker 1: like I mean, these are pros, man, they won championships.

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Speaker 1: You know, if there was a player who they thought

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Speaker 1: to be on the court and wasn't on the court,

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Speaker 1: they wouldn't know how to bite their tongue. Like Draymond

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Speaker 1: pop off on the volume right on volume sports someone,

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Speaker 1: why is this gout not playing? So when these dudes

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Speaker 1: who are professionals at the highest level, right, who are winners,

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00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: they're like, nah, man, this is bad. Like we we

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Speaker 1: support them, we rock with them. We're not We're not

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Speaker 1: gonna throw like, you know, throw them under the bus

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Speaker 1: or anything like that. It's easy to trust them because

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Speaker 1: you kind of know who they are and you know

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Speaker 1: what they are. But I haven't been it's been a

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Speaker 1: long time college since I couldn't find out like the

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Speaker 1: inner details, you know what I'm saying, Like, it's been

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Speaker 1: a while, and that's a testamental Wiggins. Like Wiggins, he

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Speaker 1: doesn't put himself out there like that, and that's just

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00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: kind of been his his deal. And some guys like

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00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,479
Speaker 1: for most people, as you know, it's hard to shut

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Speaker 1: people up. This whole industry runs on the fact that

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Speaker 1: people don't know how to shut up. Right. So for

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Speaker 1: Wiggins though, like he doesn't put himself out there like that.

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Speaker 1: He's very private and they are respecting it, and I

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Speaker 1: kind of I respect them for that, right, Like I

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Speaker 1: respect them for saying not a not in this situation

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Speaker 1: because you know, they've literally had fights in practice that

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00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: we found out of that literally. Finally, are you shocked

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00:36:55,680 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: at how good Clay has played this year? Because I

658
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: didn't think he could get there? So it's like, hey,

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Speaker 1: these dudes are her young college. They're not twenty seven,

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Speaker 1: not twenty eight, like they're thirty something. The shocking part

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Speaker 1: is just how petty and determined they are, how stubborn, right,

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00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: It's like that that's a stubborn dude. Clay. He's like,

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Speaker 1: I don't care what y'all say, I'm going to be

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Speaker 1: Clay again. And at times it just did not look

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Speaker 1: like it. It did not look like even Steve Kerry

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Speaker 1: was talking about, Hey man, you're about the age where

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00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: it's time to change the game a little bit. You know,

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00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: post ups, fade aways like chill on the chill on

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Speaker 1: the old play, and then he go out and give

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Speaker 1: Booker thirty three in the first half, right, like he's

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00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: that stubborn like I don't care, I don't care, Like

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Speaker 1: it's it's actually kind of amazing when you think about it,

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Speaker 1: Like these dudes are older, and a little bit has

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Speaker 1: to do with the modern times. Players are playing longer,

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Speaker 1: the loads management, this is where it pays off, and

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Speaker 1: like this right, this is the this is what their

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Speaker 1: trainers and the scientists are saying, this is why you

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Speaker 1: do it, because look, a guy could come back from

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Speaker 1: two injuries and regain his career. So we just never

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Speaker 1: seen this before. We haven't seen Brian Steph dropped fifty

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Speaker 1: at thirty five. He just turned thirty five and he

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Speaker 1: dropped fifty like it was nothing. Right. These dudes are

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Speaker 1: kind of modern marvels in that sense. But there was

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Speaker 1: some There was the times where Clay did it looked

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Speaker 1: like he would get back and it was hurting the team, right,

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Speaker 1: It was hurting Tea because he's trying to show you

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Speaker 1: I still got it right. It was like you you know,

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Speaker 1: how you get out there, you try to do them

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Speaker 1: old mooses. He used to do back when you was dancing.

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Speaker 1: You know, you went to last three, you break dance.

691
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Speaker 1: You're like, no, I still got it. I still got it.

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Speaker 1: Then you throw out your back like Clay used to

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Speaker 1: have those type of moments. Now I still got it.

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Speaker 1: And he's missing right. Oh, no, game six Clay, and

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Speaker 1: it's like, hey, dude, just four for twenty so you

696
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: didn't know he would get back here. And then he's

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Speaker 1: like has a stretch where he goes nuts, absolutely nuts,

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Speaker 1: and he looks like the old Clay again, Like I

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Speaker 1: respect the stubbornness that dude. He told us he was

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Speaker 1: gonna be back, and we believe him. But he's back.

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Speaker 1: Marcus Thompson as always enjoyed the Roadie. Great scene again, buddy,

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Speaker 1: you don't break Dansty You're done right. No, although although

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Speaker 1: you get a cocktail in me, shit gets wild. He

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Speaker 1: man's two step in the name of love. That's it.

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Speaker 1: Just one two. We had an age college is one two?

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Speaker 1: That's this way with the beat? Are we doing too much?

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Speaker 1: You can see any man all right, he's out the volume.

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